[Music] good evening and welcome to the Thursday March 27 2025 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board It is 7:02 p.m and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street We
have Lake Cam recording Is anyone else recording hearing none our first Oh Uh and we do have a full board in attendance as well as town council and our clerk Kathy Murray Um our first item on the agenda is a public hearing for 100 160 Bedford Street continued to this
evening A request for a special permit under section 270-7.412 to allow a commercial parking facility possible vote We do have a request from the applicant to continue this public hearing to April 24th Would
someone like to make make a motion to continue 160 Bedford Street till April 24th 2025 good We have a motion and second All in favor i Motion carries Agenda item number two public hearing site plan review 10 Harding Street
continued to this evening upon the application for site plan review and approval submitted by Lex Development Inc for the construction of a proposed 13,300 ft building associated driveways parking areas and utilities possible vote Good
evening So we have had peer review then we've had your comments back and then a second round of peer review comments addressed and then um additional comments back from you Um are you from Apex bill Thomas Oh sorry
If you'd like to come up Sure Thank you And if everyone could just introduce themselves for the record please Sure I'll start Uh for the record my name is Bob Reggo I'm with Riverhawk Environmental Civil Engineering Project Timothy Hash I'm president of Lex Development Inc And Matthew Cody from
Fields and Thomas Welcome So uh we did have a determination um from town council in regards to uh the question about um the zoning And so that has been cleared up We don't have to require any sort of waiver or anything No that's up to um
it's up to Nate Okay So um looking at now um have you had a chance to look at their
response okay great So I think we can because we have two different version We have the the original Bales and Thomas dated March 18th and we also have the Riverhawk environmental date of March 21st 2025 So um if we would like to just go
through these and and maybe just address the items that are still outstanding Sure So again for the record not Cody with Bills and Thomas Um we again we issued our initial letter back in beginning of March on uh March 5th more recently um did a supplemental review on
some revised documentation on March 18th and as you mentioned uh we just received this past Monday um some additional information from the applicant which we were able to review um earlier this week So just to quickly go over some of the things that remain Um we did bring up
the issue about the density bonus and the zoning It sounds like that's been addressed or taken care of or we're going to defer that to you know the building commissioner Um we questioned how that was being interpreted but sounds like that's being handled Um next was a parking issue Again they don't really know what the
building is going to be as far as tenants So they're making assumptions about the use which then affects the parking Um as they're as what they're assuming they do have some extra um parking Um as it also relates to comment
number six and like the loading area They said if they do need loading they can convert some of those extra spots to a loading zone So I guess we don't necessarily take issue with that But again with the kind of the use unknown which is kind of atypical It's hard to you know if the use changes the parking numbers may
change Are they going to have enough they have to way too many It's kind of hard to know Just something to consider So that sounds like something we should probably look into cons uh conditioning that if the use is more or
less requiring the parking we don't want to have them pave more than they have to or you know create more parking than they have to We also don't want to have too few parking We know this isn't marijuana overlay so that's always something we want to actually prepare for more just in case
in that um situation Um yes I mean we would be looking to design and install it per plan I don't want to put the building together and not have enough parking and come back and see if we could add spots We
have some uses in mind that are going to need the parking regardless And I I can't imagine too much parking I think it was six extra spots 16 would be a problem And and I'll tell you they're going to get used The building is there's 14 units there So I
know the building out back um I'm sure you guys are all familiar with it They're they're busting at the seams with parking on that building right so that's they are going to be driving into our parking lot and parking there How am I going to police that i'm gonna put a sign there saying parking
for 10 hiding street only and it's just not going to happen So they are busting at the seams out back there Okay Um so it that is very important to us as we're talking Okay So is
there language that maybe you would suggest or maybe we just leave it as you know obviously they're like you said they're going to build the more parking and then maybe just to condition down the road
just to ensure that there's no parking on the street Correct We you could definitely condition that But don't you think do you think 16 extra parking spaces is a lot it's No it's it's I guess it's it's hard
to say with the with the uses being on that Some of the use is going to be fitness So I'm telling you it's not enough Yeah I can't say who the tenants going in there Well well if there's not enough then there's not then there's not going to be enough Taking 16 away
wouldn't be That's my point I'm just saying that this is we came to forth with this plan from day one and I believe the board actually loved the plan It's been 35 years it's been sitting like this Why go another 35 years with it sitting there the way the plan is submitted with parking is the
way I actually do need that I wouldn't have designed that I mean I'm not looking to spend extra money on pavement just to put 16 parking spots cuz it's not needed Right And we we do want to ensure that that is enough as well So that you know how you had to supply the turning radius for the fire apparatus We also don't want to have anything
blocking Totally understood Yes Which we have met that Yeah Yeah And it's there are some like Tim says there are he has users in mind that are that are likely not 100% At the beginning they they weren't in there So we used a little different
numbers but we just don't want to build something and then have to turn away tenant after tenant because there's not enough parking spaces you know and it it is based on experience with the adjacent lot of fitness use that that there's
there's a need for parking there and there will be it is so I don't know if you have a suggestion for the condition that Yeah Or if maybe when we're working through the conditions maybe you can suggest language at that time I'm not sure I mean if they're going to build out
complete buildout they're going to have 16 extra spaces If this board doesn't think that 16 extra spaces is required then you could do that They can build they can put in all spaces except for those 16 until they come back to you
with with a user that fits you know a user group that goes that increases the parking Well it sounds like reserved parking It sounds like they're confident that they'll need the space I guess So if they're just going to if they're going to build all spa all of the spaces there's really nothing to condition except for the fact that they can't park
on the street which they can't anyway right just just you know but just to cover Mhm Do you have other companies that are adjacent to you for instance my concern would be that if you don't have enough space some of your customers
would be going over using your neighbors spaces We don't have enough space If we take the 16 spots away we'll have enough I mean I'm not saying that people won't go back and forth Every neighbor I've talked to like you know the guy who owns beside me and behind me they're all in
full support of this And we know that there's potential that somebody might park on their spot and vice versa Yeah we are aware of that Then all of a sudden your neighbor starts to complain that your customers are over my spot Now I don't have enough spots Yeah I mean that's just something that's going to
have to be taken care of at the time But um everyone's fully aware of what's going on and full support They just want this eyesore gone is what I've been told by neighbors And now I know we're on we're talking about uh four and and six right now but um back to two where it's
in reference to the architectural uh drawings We don't want to wait until after this has been approved for you to submit the drawings You brought in uh conceptual drawings You do need to have because what you show here is if we if
you don't file them with the plans then you could build whatever and it and it doesn't matter what you showed to us So we do need to have those shown I do respect that But at the first meeting we all spoke about it and actually probably go back to the minutes Everybody seemed
to be okay with the renderings Right Exactly The renderings looked great We do have a sketch to show you tonight It's not a sk which is the handdrawn plan that actually is the plan that will be used Okay Yeah So that's what we need We just need a submitt of but I you know that we didn't go too much further in it
because if this project didn't get approved why are you going to spend an extra whatever on that you know right but it is part of the required filings Okay But at the first meeting the schematics look good as long as the drawings that you submitted are still in
line with what you showed you know Yeah Tim Tim and I both had a little different interpretation of the board's comments during the first meeting Okay We thought what we submitted was satisfactory for this filing and that we could move forward based on those So
they looked good but like I said we have to have that the drawings understand now definitely the the difference of of understanding I guess So we have draft which I just printed out I have a dead set on the back of this board Okay Um
and I printed out uh some small um 8 and 1 half by 11 versions which I can start over there and pass around I guess vice versa Um four So those show a building that that
meets the requirements They don't have any colors There's not renderings We were relying on those first set of um submitted drawings for that But it does show the um the floor plan proposed floor plan of the building Um the height of the building the rough
very rough architectural design of the building Um to to I guess demonstrate compliance with the um with the bylaw Okay Yeah This is the plan that will be submitted to the steel company the steel company
will work off that There's a significant cost that from this plan to the next one It's a down payment on the building before they go to the next step Yeah And I and I apologize for the small scale and I I know I have a tough time reading them Uh we can submit the um I'll submit
one copy tonight of the larger scale plans and then um uh the the rest will follow tomorrow morning So the only difference on that plan with the rendering that we showed you is the somebody had made a comment about the front windows and we made the front windows and the doorway opening a little
larger Um so that plan depicts the front windows being larger than what we showed on the rendering A little different and stuff And now are these offset with each other they are Yeah It's difficult to see There is a crosssection that shows it but um yeah
you can see it or or the floor plane the floor plane There's there's three there's the the center section and then the two ends are are offset from there Okay Yeah Middle portion of the building A3 shows up a
little better Then the height the total height even at the at the um tallest point is below the required limit So when you take the average height it's it's well below the required height limit
Okay All right Um so yes just make sure that you submit formally through Kathy so we have a full size Yes Um are we going to do something about showing potential signage or Well it's
in the pack in there Yep Um and do we want to continue on since we've addressed Yep So going to number So it's number seven was about the sign Some of the initial things we saw about the sign didn't seem to comply Um they're indicating that like during the building permit process that's that usually would
get worked out So we we're comfortable deferring to them So I I think what so looking at the sign I know they're going to go to ZBA but I think we'd put our standard condition for signage to comply with the zoning bylaw and then if they're granted any relief through ZBA
then that would apply Does that sound Mhm Okay In reading the bylaw there's a special permit if you go outside Is that special permit from the DBA is that correct yes Yeah So that would be who you'd go through for anything outside of what's allowed
Okay Um jumping ahead to number 13 Um you a sweep path analysis for the fire truck was requested It was provided Um it was our understanding that the fire chief still has some questions about it So we just want to make sure that gets resolved if there is anything outstanding with him
Uh I'm sorry which number are you on uh 13 So I did reach out to the fire chief um earlier just to check and see if he was satisfied Um he just so I know it said on the
plans it didn't distinguish what size apparatus but he said that as long as it can accommodate the most restrictive fire apparatus yes that he that we have that we have Yeah Did did he did you get the dimensions from him so you were able to check i have the dimensions from
prior projects and that's that's the vehicle that we Okay So from what year was it 23 or 24 I'm not quite sure yet cuz we did get a new ladder truck So I just want to make sure that Okay Yeah it's a 52 foot long uh l No it's the
total length but the ladder size It's It's a pretty big truck but So my my thought was that we would just condition that it would accommodate the most restrictive apparatus unless you want to first just reach out to him and compare No that's fine I'll take that'll take that as a condition because I know it
absolutely will There's still room in that layout to to put a bigger truck in it Okay Yeah cuz he said it looked okay but he just wanted to he wasn't sure if you had taken into consideration the most restrictive Absolutely Okay Thank you Um going ahead to 14 and 15 um about
the the existing septic and the new septic systems Um we know the board of health had some questions We'd obviously defer to their review process you know how the handling of the existing one is being you know cuz now it's going to be paved over as part of the project And then there you know the installation of their new one We I mean a lot of detail
wasn't provided but the board of health will review that and but this just something to to consider Again it's outstanding So that's another item we would condition Um we did add it to our standard set of conditions that any changes have to come back to us This you know site plan review does not
um indicate any sort of approval from board of health So if if any variance is needed that you would have to come back or to us it's not just a given that oh we passed site plan review so pass us through order of health So we we'll have
that condition as well Okay And then going ahead to number 19 um was just seeking some clarification on the water Um we understand you know the water is provided by Taton Um so we just we didn't know and it's come up on other projects where like the projects
have been using taunt and water and there isn't like a kind of at least within town it kind of checks and balance that like it's being maintained properly and those kinds of things So we just wanted we didn't know if there was something that could be added for that just to make sure that the the water is accounted for even though it's not a
town asset So that's a good question because this is the first time I've heard that come up because Sleptboard is one that approves the water connection I've never really heard of the maintenance part of it Is that something that we should consider conditioning or
what do you think we've never done it before Um what would the maintenance be just a typical operation and maintenance of like the water man you know like the gets flushed every so often but like it sounds like on other projects that's not necessarily happening or taunt's kind of taken you know like we're selling you the water
we're not going to maintain it And then like then it becomes like a kind of well then everybody's like you know like then who's then who's watching this from like a public health kind of standpoint and different things What would that consist of an operations and maintenance plan sure Yeah Yeah Like I don't like I don't know if the I forget the name of the street Is it
Millennium Circle like is is does Taton is that like a a street that Taton is serving as far as like their typical operation maintenance being in Lakeville i'm guessing not is like the question you know like so who then who's maintaining it does it have to be filtered right i want
to say water maintains up to their to the service right yeah To the service and then anything past it is on the the the building right I guess we just want to make sure that that's like that those agreements or whatever is that language is in place somewhere Like I said I'm not familiar with it because it
typically goes through Slackboard So we never deal with it Yeah Yeah Exactly So that's kind of a Yeah unique situation where like you know you're getting the water isn't town you know you don't you have no control over the water but yet the town the building's in town so
every time they say water I just send them the select board we did we did file an application with a select board should we let them deal with that okay but thank you for bringing yeah no just bring just bringing it up I know it's come up on it came up on like the Baron project I think you know where they using taunt
water and it just it can get it gets getting a little messy I Right Gotcha No I appreciate I appreciate you bring it up because it can't hurt So this So this is now become coming a similar situation That's all Okay Okay Thank you Yep Um Oh the other one I wanted to ask about was
um in regards to the easement So we can see how they the wedding property has an easement for for the septic and then there's parking as well but there's no parking easement Correct Is that something that
um they should we should be looking for them to Where is the easement well I can I can maybe explain it to you Um there's there's an easement for septic which is dashed here So septic systems underneath
this dash and property the this parking uh for this building the abuing building to the north um all along here extends on the the the subject property but there's no easement for that There's no easement for that There is not So this
is this is their property that this building is utilizing for access for you So this is easement on their property So I don't know if we should is there something that we should they should get rid of that parking Well yeah but they they have nowhere else to go So they'd
be in trouble But it adds was the storm water calculations using that as paved Yeah Oh of course Yeah Yeah Yeah Existing conditions But yes Yeah Yeah That's a private matter Yeah I' I'd rather leave that alone myself Um Yeah I
think if you if you gave an easement to them they'd be on your property right i'm very friendly with building their property I would want to the I'm assuming the septic easement is specifically for the septic Correct So um that's that would be a private party
matter Yeah All right All right Moving along And then moving along to storm water U we had several questions seeking clarification on how the system was designed and you know uh just different questions on that Those have all been resolved Um we do have a
couple potential again conditions Um one was that they provide the SWIP prior to construction Um one was that they provide the um elicit discharge statement prior to construction and then they were also seemed to amunable to doing some um confirmatory test pits
like dur like as construction gets started just to confirm the soils and the assumptions that are being made are correct So though that would have been 24 25 and 26 as a condition of approval as a condition of approval that those things are required Yes Okay And that and that
that wrapped it up Again like a lot of progress has been made in the last month So excellent Very good All right So Kathy do you have do you have all that yeah If not we can go over it but um we'll be watching the meeting
again Okay So uh does anyone from this board have any questions comments concerns in addition to what's already been discussed do we have to leave a do we have to provide a waiver for the the slope the driveway slope
that was something that was brought up for another project in town and they actually did a comparison of some existing building businesses with similar slopes Yes So I think and especially since it it I would be more concerned if it was coming onto the main
road but since it's going on to Millennium and it's going on to the back parking lot and I know we had asked Amy about this the prior time So they're going by the slope that's required for um a road Mhm
It says the planning board may Right I was say it say it says Yeah You kind of you may pursue them to like build it to a road standard but it's not necessarily required Say you have to And it's only it's a couple percent off I believe the standard six It's like I think they're proposing around eight which isn't crazy I think and again I think their neighbor
has like 10 existing So I mean it's it's kind of our future Yeah You know those lots kind of are sit down from the road So they're really you know So yeah So if it are you going to have any like tractor trailer traffic going in there or anything like that
so and the only reason why I say that is because of the the on the trailer I think the slope will be gradual enough that it will work Cuz if you look if you picture the building behind that slope going down When Bob explained it to me he said that's a worse slope than what you're going to have Okay I was like "Oh
that's nothing." Cuz it it doesn't seem like it's that bad I mean 6% is pretty slight So it being eight is not like it's not like it's you know it's not it's not overly steep It's right But just something just something again Yeah like it was something to consider that you know there's a stipulation in there that you could hold them to a road
standard if you felt you needed to They're just and they're not at that But again we don't really take any exception to them being couple% over Mhm Again considering their neighbors as you know have a a waiver for it you know right um wasn't there wasn't there a comment on I
forget on the uh lighting calcs oh yeah there was slight light spillage So there's light there's lights village I believe on some of the you know exterior but again being in a commercial district we typically don't you know it's it's very slight usually usually it's more
concerning if it's like a residential neighbor or something you don't want like light shining in the yard but where it's all res it's all commercial and there's nobody really around like a little light no do you recall which um sides it was on don't obviously they have a road on one side then existing
commercial behind them the road on the front The only one I would be concerned is I think there might be a residential building um on the other side of the road As long as it's not No no no no no no no It doesn't cross the No I mean across Oh across Harding Street On the same
side of the street but across Millennium Circle at the pet store The pet store Yeah Yeah No no no We're only talking like 20 30 ft over the line like the property line No Yeah As long as it's not shining on anyone's bedroom windows Yeah And then that's not the case in this case So we're we're you know again
something to note but we're not concerned about it Any other Jack am I going back to the conversations about easement and parking and the new ladder truck with the additional parking that you may or may
not put in that doesn't impact any of the handicap accessibility and parking and all that no it does not We we we have um shown uh handicapped accessible uh spaces on both sides of the building So cuz there's the grade transition from
one to the other is fairly steep from the front to the back Um so so we do have um I believe two spaces and the slope that John was talking about if you bring the ladder truck in there that's not going to be impacted under the truck It will not No it's more it's more when
it' be a change in slope which would be the issue know that that that's that's um okay okay there and if you required the the loading where would the loading go we would right now the plan would be to
eliminate some spaces to make way for a loading area So if it was a a user that that required a loading space um we would switch some of those extra spaces into a into a loading area for that user It' probably be small like load small
truck spot You won't be able because anywhere you'll be able to back up 18-wheeler up easily No this is going to be no loading dock access Yeah And I'm assuming any any of the even the restaurant they'll get even if they have a track trail they're going to pull up next to it and block some spots and Yeah
hand cut it out right so it's not doesn't much But that's fine I was just wondering if you have the loading if there was a spot that was thinking Yeah And we just you know we designed the septic in case a restaurant wanted to go there by I hope it does but be nice to have
another place in town All the iOS are 24 ft So you know there's there's decent space to get by with with 20 foot deep spaces too which is Is that something we should condition you think that if they have to add loading blocks to come back
Yeah Yeah You want to know well yeah because it would it would change everything It would change your the parking It would change it could change the truck turning I think that's what they commented on on the in their response I know they had if they came to that point they'd have to
Okay Any other questions comments concerns no Okay Um well at this point I don't like to close the hearing unless we're completely done So I'd like to leave it open Still work on a set of
conditions That way if we have any questions you can still answer those questions But I'd like to get a set of conditions based off of what we have discussed this evening along with our standard set And then as long as uh Amy reviews those conditions and it looks
good send it over to you all to review and hopefully by the next meeting we can close this public hearing and issue the set of the order of conditions That's typical There's no way it can be closed So I well we could close it but then we if we still have to work on these conditions and if we wanted to get your
input on something at that point then we couldn't get any more input because it's closed So we'll see And nobody in anyone in the audience did anyone have any questions comments concerns okay So if we if they closed if we closed it then
we made conditions and they just have to accept them or Y is it the conditions that we just spoke about so we do have an a standard set of conditions that she'll use to add those specific items into I don't I don't think it's necessary to close the hearing We could condition it
I mean uh we could continue to our next reason Not going to make it any faster Yeah It's not going to Yeah I mean if Yeah I can't really state I mean we have 21 days to order the to issue I don't know if I'm going to get an extension Let's put it that way I can't close
until just do the planning Right So April 10th is our next meeting I believe I'm supposed to close next week and it it is what it is It's my problem not you guys' So so you can't you can't vote tonight anyway right but just continue
to April 10th and um we'll get our the conditions written up and hopefully within two weeks Yeah you can review it and send it back and Right Yeah because we can we can close and and vote the same night right yeah So it's not it wouldn't change anything anyways because we can't vote tonight anyways So on this
Okay So April 10th Okay Someone like to make a motion to continue I'll make a motion to continue 10 Harding Street till April 10th 2025 Have a motion and a second All in favor
motion carries We will see you April 10th Thank you very much for Thank you Have a great night You too Um at this point we actually have um an executive session that we're going to
leave this room go out into the separate room and then when we're done with executive session planning board will resume after that Um Dan do you mind just checking to make sure that that room is available
and you're welcome to stick around and and hang out if you'd like Hopefully it won't be too long We'll return and continue the the other items We just want to get town council out of here because she is paid hourly So so we're saving you all money We're
saving 15inut information What is it 6 minutes 6 minutes Yeah 6 minutes Jeez That would get me through a whole month That was kind of why I thought
Amy where do you come in so I only live in Marshfield Okay So it's not a big deal No I don't mind coming here at all You have to go to Boston often I was in there today Yeah I go I but I can just take the train I take the train from
Green Bush so it's not a big deal But I have a longstanding 40B in Georgetown That is just That's a lot Mhm Yeah This is not that So all right Um
I guess I can read the executive session and then we when Dan comes back we can take the vote So um this is agenda item 11 possible executive session pursuant to the pres pro provisions of general law chapter 30A section 21 A3 to discuss
litigation by the town if an open meeting may have detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation position of the public body And the chair so declares Twin Boys LLC verse Lakeville Planning Board Land Court 24 miscellaneous
0000724 and and to return to open session Correct So once Dan returns Okay Now we just have to take a vote to go into open uh executive session or So that was the motion The motion Yep So
someone said did somebody say said uh did you make the motion yourself yeah I read it agenda So someone can second Second All in favor i Do we need a roll call okay Uh I do I have to do I do I recuse myself
or do I can I vote in this no just recuse yourself Recuse me I lodge I apolog So we will All right we are back from executive session returning to open session and I
am told that we have another request to move agenda item number four up in front of three So we're going to take number four discuss permanent business signs and residentially zoned neighborhoods Now this item was a request from Dan He
did put together um some information some screenshots of the various um signed bylaw language as well as um an explanation of different concerns um and some some photos of the concerns around
town Um I know that some of these have actually been addressed correct since you um brought this to our attention Um were there any that are still remaining the uh so the
ones that are in the residential areas um I driven by the properties they have been um officially removed Uh there are some that are zoned within um business which we um were able to confirm um and
that has actually um been taken care of Um I know that um our zoning enforcement officer um is in tune to um some of the other um potential um signage violations
that are going on in town but it it's good to kind of um just discuss this very quickly um you know some residents uh did bring to my attention about um some signage that has been within residential uh residentially zoned areas
Um and you know we took a look you know just as a board just to see what those uh areas might be Um and you know some of those areas were homes that you know were uh redeveloped Um but the signage
stayed for a longer period of time So we do have bylaws that are um available um of which has basically you know as as a condition for people when they are um you know have projects that are going on
whether they be uh redevelopments or whatnot that um you know there is a period of time of which you know after the project is done that they are removed So um so as of right now uh my understanding is is like Michelle has
also mentioned um this has been uh pretty much taken care of but you know there will be you know audits you know so I guess my question is there was um there was one that you mentioned it was supposed to be a per a temporary sign during construction Mhm Is that one
still remaining it was It was in poor condition and faded And the Leberon Hills one Yeah Uh I believe it was that one Yep Um so that one was also reviewed as well but because it has to do with an
ongoing project ongoing project that it can remain uh for the time being It's too bad they couldn't have they couldn't just replace it with something fresh since that project's been ongoing for phase five and six down So yeah but but it it references uh particular
development but it hasn't officially been um closed out So yeah that's how it was explained Um but it was a good exercise Um and uh you know we'll just continue to um review these instances as
they come up uh just to monitor anything that um might come up And um uh did somebody have a question comment concern come up and state your name for the record please Thank you Okay My name is Cla Le Point and I live
at 61 Main Street and um I have a few issues about signs but I don't know if this is the right platform to do it since you've you know done such a nice job I read this whole thing three times I'm like well I might fit there uh temporary signs But anyway um so we do
have a whole bylaw too This is this is not the whole thing So but I've been involved with signs before The Dollar Tree sign the big one made it smaller and uh Jack Conway I went to the zoning board Yeah And they wanted a big sign Well they got smaller So I've been in
with signs for a while because like you say we're residential and now we got all this new stuff going on on Main Street Okay So the first one I want to deal with is the sign on Captain's Way Uh it's a landscaping company Sona Villa
Sona Deilla Yep And um they put up two signs in their yard cuz they're in a like a house but it's a landscaping company And they got that big QR code on it which I don't know why they have a big QR code I don't know anybody has stopped yet to take a picture of that
but you know Anyway so they have two signs the same but the one on closest to Captain's Way um when you come down Captain's Way cuz I go up and down that street a lot Um when you get to the corner you can't see the traffic You
have to really go to the sidewalk Okay So before and and when we had those big wind storms that that one fell apart and like "Oh good Maybe they won't put it back up cuz when you get there you can see and you know cuz it's a dangerous corner you got to admit." So I think you
know maybe you could talk to them maybe they can move it one sign So what we what what we were going to discuss doing was preparing a memo to send to the zoning enforcement officer So the zoning enforcement officer is the one who would um handle those non-conforming signs If
you have a concern I Well I want it's great that you're letting us know Um but I I do think if you send him an email that'll be the best way to get it done I've sent him emails before but I saw this and I thought well maybe I should come here and talk about it See what you
think I should do So there's two of them There's two signs the same I think one is bigger than the other No no no Two or more of such signs They'll be closer than 500 ft apart Okay And I I know one is like I say near near captain's way and the other one I think is on the
other side of that driveway if I'm not mistaken And I don't know how many feet Sure Can't be 500 ft though I don't know Yeah Sure It can't be 500 ft My main concern would be the the site the line of sight I was going to say I wonder if there's something that should be in there about temporary I mean I don't know if that falls under there must be
something on our signs that says that you can't appeed So typically if if you're in residential you can put up a sign You can put up a a flag a banner You can put up something like that Well I want to talk about flags too if you don't mind Go ahead But
so there's certain things that we can't um prohibit right um and so what we deal with mainly is you can't have a business sign in a residential area because that business
sign has to be in front of the business that it's advertising right so that is the that's the main focus that is bringing up If that's where their business is their offices must be in that house Oh but y two signs with a QR
code I think it's distracting to drivers myself But anyway my main concern is you can't see until you get right to the edge How big are the sign i'm just curious How big are the signs well to me it looks like a little bit like exhibit
E Could be bigger And it's not a wood sign It's a vinyl sign They're about 14 ft You think so oh they're long That big It's a huge Yeah they're both pretty big It says you can't I mean I guess but so who enforces these temporary signs that
the zoning enforcement yeah Anything that's not in compliance with our sign by so again your temporary exterior signs well such signs will not exceed 32 square ft in area Right So I didn't go I didn't measure anything bigger than 8 by 4 You
say you said zoning So I just put in your uh package just for your information If a bit if this is a home occupation in a residential zone they are allowed to put up a sign but if there's a site um a limit to that and
also the other one was the exemptions of what signs are allowed Just Thank you Did you say that you had already notifications from the zoning board about these about the signs not these signs It was uh the Jack Conway sign
when they redid their building They wanted it to be the whole side up there And so I went to the zoning board of appeals where they were asking for the variance or whatever you call it cuz it didn't fit the bylaws right and um so we talked about it and everything and they
agreed it didn't have to be that big because they got the uh whole sign near the sidewalk that has all the businesses in it already the common And I said when you drive that's what you're looking at you're not looking up you know So and they agreed So they had to make it smaller and they just put it up not too
long ago I was like "God they never even put the sign you know when I drive by." But they finally did and it looks very very nice Yeah Yeah It was So aside from the the sign on Captain Way is there another one that you're concerned yeah the flag signs You said some of the
businesses like um the the smoke shop has one The um the landscape company not only do they have those signs they put a a thing with now they have a flag sticking up on them too that flaps in the wind Mhm So I don't
know how you feel about that but I don't So actually so that was something we were looking to um not allow but knowing that there's a small home business I know he sells those things so I didn't want to create an issue for him because I know he you know someone's making a
livelihood out of selling Well the storage place let's take that for as an example When you go by I don't know if you go by they have a lot but they got little signs they got the big sign and they got like three flags and they got a whole bunch of stuff out there So I
can't see the three flags two or three signs for a business even though it's in there sort of in the They're only allowed two They're a business is only allowed the the one common directory and then the one on the business on the building The landscaping is not too bad
It just has not flooded all the landscape They are allowed to have directional signs as well Well they got flag signs that say storage and this other sign says we sell boxes and then there's another flag that says something I don't know There's only one I can read
as I go by But anyway I'm just telling you what's out there The smoke shop has at least one maybe two Um of course the landscaping company like I say they have flags bolted to their sign and more and more cropping up all over the area when
you start going down and I hate to see Route 105 course it's my area right i live there Um become Route 44 with all the flags going on Every business has a flag flapping in the wind I think it's it's destructive I think it's a you know
when you're driving and all of a sudden you see a flag flying you know I don't know To me this is what I'm saying That's what I have So um I'm not against business signs as long as they're not too bright But you made a comment about earlier businesses as long as it's not
in anybody's bedroom window shines in a light trespass Yes Right So when they built that and the smoke shop came Okay Cuz I dealt with the lights with the Dollar Tree with the owner Okay They go out around 9:30 10:00 His stay on all
night long Shine in my bedroom I had to get a special curtain to put over my window so those red lights aren't coming in mine So now you're saying that see I brought this attention to people before and nothing's ever been done So the unfortunate thing so we do have the
night sky bylaw Um and all the lights are supposed to be shining down Mhm Um and the Dollar Tree did a very good job with that once they realized what was going on The owner at the time I know he sold it since then but um you know it's
a bright spot but they all dim and the lights on the building go out this I think even this sign goes out It's only the smoke shop They got red flashing lights in that same plaza Yeah And and it's on all night long It It's the ones that are inside the window The neon ones
Is that what you're talking about i think so I think they're on the inside I don't go in there because I'll lose my temper Yeah Tell has one of those flags up front Oh is that something like So even So the temporary signage it says banners portable signs may be allowed for special events but must be removed
after the event has concluded So they they're supposed to not just leave them up indefinitely right well these the ones I'm talking about I don't know if it's a special event They're just always there right but so they should only be using them for a special event you know advertising So who do I go to about that
so that would be zoning enforcement So is unless this board wants to send a memo on behalf and just say we we did gather input from residents and there are certain items that we would like you to take a look at if you have a chance Um I don't I don't mind if this board is
amendable to sending a memo I'm fine with sending a memo Oh I would really really like that because like you say I don't mind a flag going up a special event It's there for a month and then they take it in You know what I mean but more and more flags are coming Mhm And
they put them right near the sidewalk sometimes or maybe a little bit further back Yeah You know but Well still I think they have to adhere by the setback as well right Yeah That's that's what I'm wondering about the one that s is impeding traffic and right that one is dangerous It sounds like that one might
be too big right as well Well and I and I don't know the whole sign bylaw so we know the whole thing but there must be something in the in the upfront that says that a sign can't be impeded the vision like can't traffic right even so the temporary signs would fall under that as well Yeah But that's all And I
and I don't know if he got permission from Nate Darling Maybe he went and talked I think people are just putting them out there because other people are doing it right and I I hate to see Route 105 become Route 44 It just it just bothers me I had to come tonight I just
had to I wasn't going to come and then I said I had to come I'm like if I don't go I won't even be able to sleep Okay So I just want to So you have a captain's way the block in the view of traffic the smoke shop with the lights flashing at night The flags um and that's from the
smoke shop has been up at least been 2 years You say the storage unit The flags on the storage unit Yeah Uh the temporary signs still remain No look it still has an open one of those red white and blue open flags Were Does that
capture everything that you've mentioned yeah I think so Yeah I only have three The smoke shop the captain's way and the flags on the storage Yeah Okay And and again I want to be very clear that we welcome all
businesses here to Lakeville We want them to you know but there there are bylaws to in which need to be followed And to to be clear uh we have right across from my picture window that land for sale My neighbor's selling that land
Oh on the corner Yeah Well yeah Yeah And um my fear is that they'll see all these flags and they'll put that and now I won't even be able to look out my picture window without seeing flags So I appreciate so much that you're listening to me and you know do what you can No
problem Um you know that's what we're here for We're here to take input for the residents and listen and and try to help Okay So Noel Noel my only thing that I wanted to say is I noticed those right away those banner They're banners is what they are banners and they're
huge and I noticed them I don't live right near you but I go down Main Street and right away I was like what is this all about it's it's an eyesore but hearing her say that her line of sight because it did occur to me how do you
get out of captain's way and see the traffic i mean those cars blow by there like 50 60 miles an hour and you've got to really be alert But I wouldn't be able to see what was coming left or right And he's got two of them there I I think that um it would be great if you
could send something to Nate darling and he could be asked to um revisit that because I think it's a safety issue right especially that one And and believe me you're not the only person to come to us with sign issues And that's why so this signed by law This was this
was something that we put in place not that long ago We wanted to make sure it was all-encompassing It was it was as a it was a far cry from what was existing So this is and and I'm happy to revisit it look at it see if there's anything that we need to tweak edit whatever
going forward But I think it is pretty substantial Yeah I read the whole thing and I was like this is good It says banners portable signs uh for special and it could say flags There's more So like Kathy even printed out a couple other pages So there's more Yeah So I I was
just saying I thought geez if they put banners portable signs and flags as a temporary for special events and must be removed Maybe that would be a good spot to put it But that's all my opinion so I don't want to take up more of your time I appreciate it Thank you for coming
Thank you so much Um so would someone like to make a motion for Kathy do you have the bandwidth to take to do the memo or do you want do you want me to put it on next next week's list okay
Okay So uh make a motion to send the memo to the zoning enforcement officer noting the the three concerns brought up here Uh the captain's way with the blocking of the view of traffic the line of sight uh the smoke shop with the
lights flashing at night in the window Um and the temporary flags that have been there for far too long on the storage um unit lot
So moved So we have a motion second and a second All in favor i motion carries All right you got it all Yeah All right Just so next week hopefully you can get
that typed up and over to him So agenda item number three review and approve revise form B and form C possible vote This was another item that was left
behind by the town planner Thankfully she was able to get form A done Now we have form B and form C So the form B is the application for prel approval of a preliminary plan Uh I think she had mentioned to us this is
this is a shorter form because it is a more simple sort of submission Um and then the form C application for approval of a definitive plan This one is far more extensive as we know the requirements for a definitive plan are
far greater Mhm And just like with the form A she has included all of the items that we are looking for to be included so that the applicant can go through and check off all these boxes as they go to hopefully condense the process and
address everything up front which I think is great Um does anyone have any comments questions concerns on these forms so this so this is the this form C is the application for approval Okay For approval forget it Yeah Yep
The only No at first I was like wait are they supposed to have the myar at the beginning but not um yeah I think this the page two one of the check boxes have to get pushed to the next page Oh yep For
nine Oh Kathy do you see that yeah Okay Yeah I thought this was great Yeah The consolidation effort It's going to be so much easier And of course if if if applicants run into issues we'll welcome feedback If
they don't feel like this works we could always look at something again But I think this is excellent to finally have because last year we tried to get this done with the rolls and rags and now we have finally I know we talked about getting working on it over time but very
happy she took that on It was exactly kind of what I wanted to do like a checklist So it makes just with the form that came in made it so much easier Awesome That's great And then we probably won't have people coming back multiple times right yeah Is there I'm
reading them like are there are there some items that would be like NA would they just would they instead of checking them off they just put NA and if if they don't have them checked off is is is it do we not would we do we not accept the form if not everything's checked off or addressed yeah No that's a good point
I guess it would be well they're submitting this application with their plans so hopefully that they can check most of them off and if it doesn't apply well it says like where like a number 20 says wear appropriate the board claim may
require at the expense of the applicant soil surveys um I think it needs to be commerce right where appropriate the plan board No the applicant soil the applicant comma soil surveys and
percolation tests uh at the expense of the applicant comma Yeah but I'm saying but where says where appropriate right like is that giving it that if it's not appropriate we don't have to do it and then do they will they check it off and would they have something to say
yeah Right Well cuz cuz for any set of plans they should have those that that information included but I guess if it's if they're not it says we may say we may require it So would they have to put like NA next to it i'm fine with that I'm just saying that I
guess I think we had like even for that ANR did they have an A they had an NA That's fine That's all as long as we if we're fine accepting that it's fine All I'm saying is if something's like don't you know what I mean i think if they if we have an application where they submit all NAS or don't check it off I think
that's when we would question it right but it's just a way to say "All right well you you checked off all the blocks we need." And if you don't then we'll It's just easy check to say "All right well they didn't do this Why?" And then if not then it's on them That's fine That's all it was Okay So are we good do
we want to make a take a vote to um approve and accept i move that we accept uh forms B and C Second We have a motion and a second All in favor i Motion carries with that Just one edit I guess
Yeah Yeah The two Oh yeah Two edits The comma and the box Oh I didn't get the comma one I think it was just the last on number 20 at the at the Yeah Where appropriate the planning board may require at the expense of the applicant soil
surveys Got it Moving on we have agenda item number five administrative updates possible votes So I think we did touch on some of these things with Nancy on Monday So I'm not going to spend too much time on the things that we've already gone through
like the storm water bylaw That was something we've already discussed postponing that because it does need more work um the site plan review use edit We all discussed her her reasoning behind that and I think um the applicant
before us this evening was a good example why we need to see the uses so we know how much parking Mhm to to plan for Um had these been sent to town council i think she did send them to She did with the the added use I think she did
actually I don't know if she had gotten anything back I can check with Amy on that Okay So was that's good cuz I think we'll we'll discuss this again later on Um and then 13 Main Street Perry peer response
So Kathy you you handed out the aselts We did get the aselt in the email as well Um so I guess there were we got the uh review from Apex as well There are some discrepancies Mhm And then um Kathy
did send out or pass around this email Uh Nile's office got you over the updated final as for site visit with Nancy and Apex All the items addressed reflect on the plan Let's see below for some quick commentary Since I was told this may be the planners last week I'm
not sure if she'll be meeting to provide context Apex comments addressed via the plan site visit Uh the spillway elevation raised from 85.3 to 857 Done Okay that's
good And the these weren't numbered so I can't really reference numbers Uh the CNB CB and trench drain clean done So that was number the second bullet So no they're they're one two Yeah I think they're going in order Y update final as built to reflect 6 in trench drain
piping Done That's good Uh underground electric cable shown on plan No gas Done Uh the only other thing I think the second show 6 in diameter if pipe is
four Okay All right So they're saying that's done Um move northern dumpster into enclosure Done Okay You can't say that Very cooperative
Um update note per mass dot What's the next one done So remove plastic ramp from ADA ramp Done Oh that was a supposed to be plastic wrap Yeah
Oh coping Remove the rim Remove erosion control barrier will be completed in spring once the grass stabilizes and concom um request I believe that it said and
uh the town should be aware of the storm water management system have maintenance and inspection requirements as described in the O andM plan submitted The applicant should provide the town with a copy of each operation and maintenance log form So that's the last item is just that we
should be getting copies of those on and M forms So hopefully I'm sure Nancy must have gone over that with you too No going forward No Okay So I guess when you see it just
just let us know and Okay And hopefully we'll get somebody back in that planner position and come up with a good process for going forward with all that But like I told you I did send this to Apex She's just going to take a quick look at it
and verify Yes Okay All right Good Um under the new business the Rocky Woods letter Um we did receive a response back from Attorney Mather regarding um the Rocky Woods Um I don't
know if it's necessary for me to read the whole thing but um they they are moving forward with uh the 40B comprehensive permit Um as such we have informed the zoning board of appeals that we we will be
continuing with the existing comprehensive permit 40B application and have asked to be scheduled at its meeting in May And I know from looking at the letter submitted to the zoning board it sounds like they are revising
their plans So I guess it will be interesting to see what sort of revisions they come back with So So at least we say we can say we tried we we explored the option They had announced at you
know one of their first meetings that they were willing to consider an OSRD We looked into an OSRD We got feedback from the other boards committees commissions We got feedback from the residents and I think we did the best we could which was ask for an actual OSRD And unfortunately
they don't want to perk every lot So that made it a no-go which they they were upfront with that I I guess I was thinking maybe they would come back with something right you know they started with high and they'd come back with something else but they didn't But we did give that we left it in their court
So now it's it's there We knew that they always had the option to go back to the 40B and now it'll be up to zoning board Yeah I think they just wanted more units in there Yeah We'll see We'll see what happens I
don't want to speculate So Madam Chair I have a quick just administrative question about this project Should we be referring to it as Simmons Hills now instead of Rocky Woods is that officially been changed yeah And that's fine Like I guess I say I call it Rocky
Woods because Yeah that's what it was right it's more of the informal and it is still that's what that Yeah Okay that priority protection parcel is referred to as Rocky Woods Okay Cuz I I'm seeing it on everything now That's Sirens Hill Yeah They they did change the name because there already is a Rocky Woods
road or street Oh okay Yeah All right Um the next item is the quarterly interdep departmental 45 Holland Oh sorry Thank you How are you 45 Howlandformational Okay So this was uh
the memo sent to zoning board per our prior um meeting Yep So that's justformational only Mhm Uh the quarterly interdep departmental meetings Um
this so even though it's called interdep departmental meetings I I guess it's more of um quarterly joint meetings Mhm Cuz I know we're we're we're calling the meetings uh referenced in our site plan review are are are called
pre are they called the inter department or are they called pre-construction now uh what's that technical review Is that what it is tech Okay So I just want to make sure we're not using the same terminology for both of them Oh for that other meeting that we talked about in the in the form Right
Right Or in the Yeah Yeah For for the um site plan review revisions So this this is the memo that Many had um put together Has this been sent out yet too it hasn't Okay So has the ZBA one been sent out
for 45 Holland um Yes and no I mean it's not till there till next month on their next So okay Um so then we have this memo that Nancy had drafted I think I'm not going to read it
all but is everyone good with um that memo and then Kathy can go ahead and send it out It's just it's basically um discussing but we we've already discussed what we wanted to do This is just basically putting it in writing and sending it out
to the various committees boards commissions We've offered our uh April 24th meeting at 6 p.m an hour prior to our regularly scheduled meeting to hopefully uh gain input from all these other boards
committees commissions If they want to attend as a full board they'll have to post for that meeting We'll have to do a joint meeting If they want to send a representative that's fine too and we can do a sort of kickoff of our quarterly interdep departmental
meetings and if no one RSVPs to Are we coming at 6:00 i don't know I I have a feeling people will show up Okay No I I think I mean no space chair has shown up to a lot of things I think the concom
chair shows up quite frequently So I I I do expect some people sure may show up If not I guess we can always revisit it if no one has interest Mhm But I think um and even CPC I mentioned it at our last meeting and and I think it would be
great to kind of bring whatever information back and forth because um there's there's definitely overlap Yep You know and it's hard to keep up with meetings I used to watch every I'll I'll admit you just it's hard to keep up with
Yeah So this is good to send Mhm Right Yep All right All right Agenda item number six approve the October 26 20 24 and January 23 2025 meeting
minutes So we do have these two sets of minutes Kathy found one that was skipped She got those done Okay Okay Did any Did everyone have a chance to read them y Anyone have any edits i did not have any So I'm just Yeah they were lengthy but
good Yeah No I I'm surprised that we we voted for Pinerest like before two and four I thought two and four was before I got I'm just like looking I'm like that was before I didn't remember that Yeah that was it All blends together after Yeah I
know So So would someone like to make a motion i'll make a motion to approve the October 24th 2024 meetings as drafted Second We have a motion and a second All in favor motion carries How about the January
i had no edits All look good Yeah Motion I'll make a motion to approve the January 23rd 2025 meetings as drafted Motion and a second All in favor i
motion carries Minutes are approved Agenda item number seven discuss articles to be placed on the warrant possible vote So back to the site plan review with the changes which is that um at addition of use with the statement of
proposed use Um and so we also have the accessory dwelling units the ADU item So so we had cross off number seven because Nancy thought
that it didn't have to Right I just passed out cuz I was working like on the full text Yeah So if you want to just take a look at those because just one thing I noticed on the site plan there was supposed to be changes made in the hearing and I didn't see those
There were this was I found this in like a different spot So I don't think I had the final I'm not sure Wait So which So these aren't in red These are just like the select boy This is like the last thing in your
revised packet I mixed mine all up Hold on I know Oh here it is I'm like I have one page Here it is Okay So take them and show the
use Oh so seven We want to leave seven You construction have a single in because I checked with Amy and she said that it does allow us to do siphon review Okay So then that will be in and
the other one will be eight So that has to be corrected Okay So keep that as number seven And then eight is if the proposal involves expansion of a building or intensification of use that would result in change in traffic volume
patterns in the area noise parking lighting etc by a commercial or industrial use Okay Mhm Change And then we're adding activities not subject to site plan review Adding submittal requirements Uh number 19 a statement of proposed
use Um e review procedure We're getting rid of or replacing that with something else So yes like right below that Yep Well right on the next page And that's where we got the formally
with the technical review committee Right So prior to submitting a site plan in the May may may meet Yeah that's what we discussed Um okay And it was adding town planner to that
list and a purpose of the meeting was so fine We are the town planner someday So what I had added is number two under hearings Okay So it should say to the
abut is within 300 ft from the property and the hearing shall be posted no later than 30 days instead of 21 Cuz that has sometimes been an issue Okay
Okay Right Right Right Okay Okay So it looks like there's just two two minor edits and it's just keeping number seven and adding number eight Mhm So would someone like to make a
motion to um send this site plan review bylaw to the select board to place on the warrant for the spring 2025
town meeting okay So moved We have a motion and a second All in favor hi Hi So we have that The next one is accessory dwelling unit ADU Yep The only
thing we're doing here is adding that it is sub subject to the 760 CMR 71 protected use ADUs which is in reference to the state um guidelines And it protects
it when they change stuff so we don't have to go back and change it all the time Right Right Yes So make a mo Right Make a motion to send that to the select board Correct Second All right Motion and a second All in favor i I motion
carries The third one is deletion of accessory apartment So now that we have ADU by right from coming down from the governor's office our existing accessory
apartment bylaw is more restrictive So the ADU will now replace that as long as everyone at town meeting agrees to do away with it So So I'll make a motion to send that to the select board Second motion in a second All in favor i motion
carries So we have those three warrant articles for town meeting Kathy will send those over to the board All right We have agenda item number eight Discuss request to select board regarding interim planning consultant
Possible vote Uh this we touched on Monday Um our former town planner is willing to consider staying on as a consultant for special projects which would be great because she's familiar with what we have going on Um and I think this board
sounded like you were all interested So to officially um send that memo to the select board asking that we would be able to keep Nancy Dery on as an interim consultant until we are able to fill the town planner position Um
I think they would have to figure out the budgetary item how we can do it but obviously there's money in the planner budget Um would someone like to make a motion to send that i'll make a motion to send
a memo to the select board in regards to keeping former town planner uh as a consultant and in while we look for a new permanent town planner Second there Motion and a second All in favor i I
All right Our next meeting is April 10th 2025 and that will be held here at the Lakeville Police Station Anything else that I missed anyone else have anything before we're over we're done Okay Motion to make a motion to adjourn meeting at
8:46 p.m Motion and a second All in favor hi Hi