##VIDEO ID:Hgh7WQtVMfM## [Music] good evening and welcome to the Thursday November 14 2024 meeting of the Lakeville planning board it is 631 and we're meeting tonight at the Lakeville public library for Precinct street we have Lake cam recording is anyone else recording hearing none we will move on to our first agenda item which is a public hearing for modification of a site plan review five Harding Street which has been continued to this evening upon the application for a modification to a site plan review previously approved to change from one large building to six smaller buildings site layout and apperances change to accommodate new layout possible vote so welcome yep come come on wherever you're comfortable so I know the last time we met um we had some concerns that with some remaining items from peir review um it was on the comments n 9 13B 13 C 14 16 and 27 and you have addressed all of them yes I believe we out yes so that's good um we also have a draft of conditions that were prepared um there was one item that was added um that says all roof mounted equipment shall be screened from public veh so we did add that I don't know if you saw that one I I I did I think um again we're so far back so um right you know again I think the layout we felt we went out there and looked at the uh the setback is so far that we we think that we can accommodate that very easily yeah so that's what we kind of thought was that but if it was visible then that was it I think it's a non-issue to us so okay perfect um and then just um going through on um number three it said um prior to any site work occurring on the property so because this was um a previous approved site plan which has been uh changed um in speaking with the Building Commissioner he thought that it should say um prior to endorsement of this decision rather than prior to any site work so so the only thing on that was that we we already had done a demo of the buildings and stuff like that too so we pull the permits and stuff like that so I just wanted to make sure just I could agree you know to to be you know so so this one is number three it it it applies to that $5,000 which will be held in the 53g account so it's just saying to have that in place prior to um endorsement of this decision so understood okay if we could just make that um minor change um and then I know he doesn't typically like it when it says occupancy permit but he said he's able to work with it on this one and move forward do did you have anything else you wanted to add at this time I don't believe so I think again you know we we appreciate the cooperation and the uh the working together and the the interaction it's been you know it's been good I think there's been a lot of information exchange so again we appreciate the uh the efforts from all parties uh and we'll look forward to you know getting rolling down there great and uh does any planning board members have any questions comments no all right Dan you good I'm all set thank you okay so at this time would someone like to close the hearing for five Harding Street uh I move that we close the hearing for five Harding Street public hearing second we have a motion in a second all in favor i i i w i oh and should we do we should do a roll call okay uh David I mck I Cal I jack and W I all in favor and um should we also vote to approve this um drafted condition set of conditions and have the chair authorize the chair to sign it yep I'll make a motion to approve the draft um sect conditions as as revised right yes as revised and have the chair sign it second we have a motion on a second all in favor roll call uh Lodge I i l w i all right with that you're all set thank you very much really appreciate it thank you you luck thank [Music] you okay agenda item number two public hearing site plan review for two and four Bedford Street which was continued to this evening on the application for a site plan review and approval submitted by twin boys LLC for proposed contractor Bay presented by Zenith Consulting Engineers possible vote okay so for the two and four Bedford Street we did receive an email from the zoning enforcement officer uh that was sent this afternoon um I I can read it into the record it says Dear Miss mcran please accept this email as confirmation that I am considering the proposed use at 24 Bedford Street is currently described the applicant to most closely resemble the business or professional office or Bank classification within section 27-41 table of use regulations of the town of Lakeville zoning bylaw as such this is an as of right use on the subject property not requiring a special permit for reference purposes I have attached a working document that I had created during zoning review with applicable sections highlighted in yellow it is important to note that the email is not intended to render an opinion on the proposed use rather rather only to provide some clarification of where I currently stand on the matter once a complete building permit application is submitted to my office I will conduct further review of the proposed use and clearly establish limits on what would and would not be allowed under the special use classification respectfully Nathan darling Billy commiss and so along with that email what was attached is um the highlighted item that was in our packet and um that describes what he is looking at for his determination so we do have that which we had been waiting for um to go with our packet we also have um a copy of the email from the uh fire chief in regards to um his concerns being addressed as well I know we had questioned whether or not we had it thank you Kathy for digging that up and making sure we all had it again so um good evening hi good evening so uh the last time we're here so that addresses one of the comments we had from last time um if you'd like me to I can go down the third party review list I think that was where the majority of the comments were last time you state sorry Nick Lo from boys LLC I'm here with I'm block for the Consulting Engineers thank sorry no no worries um so I believe all the questions were addressed I'm on number seven in the peer review letter uh last time we was I was here you had some comments and concerns regarding the slope at the entrance um so Bob I think can kind of speak to those concerns along with those concerns I believe you asked if it was a cut Phil site or fil site Bob can also speak to that as well yes so let's start with that uh since Nick mentioned that last uh it is an import site I had mentioned that at pre previous meeting so we'll be bringing material onto the site um and this we have a cut on this end of the site there's a cut we'll cutting into the slope and on this end of the site is the is the largest amount of fill on this side total amount of fill is approximately 8,000 Ys uh there's a question on the snow storage um and it is shown on this plan so this is the erosion control plan this hatching in here all along this back Edge so the idea is the plow would come in and plow all the snow out to the back Edge uh of the site so all of the hatching and here snow storage uh as far as the slope goes we have a what so the reviewer correctly pointed out stated that there was a 6.25% slope at the entrance and that's actually 6.33 so she was he or she was very close at the review um that's T that's not atypical of a of of a a commercial site at all in fact um I took a I took a look on uh massgis at some slopes and so I took I took a look at three um relatively new uh sites around town that everybody will be familiar with just to give you a reference point so the MX slope we have is 6.33 but as it enters uh bedf Street it shallows to 4.5% so it's not 6.3 right to the end it's 4.5 so uh the the new Funeral Home on Main Street that's just over 7% that entrance the uh entrance the CVS on the island road is the same it's just over 7% and I'm sure everybody's familiar with this but the ball the entrance to Baldi is is over 8% as is 6.33 and just the really hope to make you feel comfortable this is a very simplified thing and I apologize but it actually helps me that's to scale so the bottom line is flat and the heavy black line is a 6.33% slope now can you can you um let us know why it is you're bringing the site elevation up so high because it is fairly flat as it is it has to unfortunately it's be basically because of all uh Reg regulations that established with um Title 5 we need to have separation to groundwater for the title 5 system but mostly it's driven by the storm water management policy which requires a separation to groundwater and we also have to make um the drainage work we have to have structures that require depth from uh the pavement to um the structure just the just the simply a catch Basin the minimum you can have is approximately 2.7 ft from from the rim to from the catch Bas and rim to the Inver so it it just the the regulations basically require that to happen Okay thank you for answering that [Music] question uh very quickly uh just a quick question through you madam chair um to uh just try to find out is there or do you feel based on your engineering opinion if an 18wheeler was to turn in there that the feet from the trailer would get stuck at any point either coming in or out or is the grade enough where they're going to be able to slide in without an issue that's really an excellent question by the way but in typically uh on an entrance like this to prevent that from happening you want to stay below 8% it can typically handle 9% but 8% is where it starts to get tricky and we'll well follow that yeah entrance is wi enough I'm sorry the entrance is wide enough to to accommodate the truck as well as absolutely the entrance meets the requirements of uh for Mass do access permit so yeah it does no um Council if you could do you feel like bringing in on this slope question is this if even though it's um different from what the regulations require on a minor Street does it make sense to allow it in this instance probably okay probably because um it does make sense that they need to they need to um elevate it for the storm water okay and for um separation to groundw too so I guess on the on the on Dan's coils there on the on the track to trailers do you guys Vision a lot I know you don't know who the who's going in there yet but you guys Vision a lot I'm just trying to think of traffic on 18 of a track if track trails to get in and out of there cuz looks like they can only pull in one way and they really can't back down to the far left one CU then they won't be able to make that turn but you're speaking um under construction or after construction oh after construction we don't typically know we wouldn't Envision that many tra Trails especially 18 Wheels and right getting in there um smaller box trucks that can maneuver that's what we Spector 10 wheel is yeah yeah no that's I got thinking of an 18 trying to make that sharp ter would be tricky if they back down that way and try to come out but yeah to making deliveries but I don't see them that's right only experienced drivers will go on that side yeah um yeah know and I guess the fire department had no concern with the slope I'm assuming right with the didn't have Baldi is 8% and they can get in and out of there right onto Main Street then notice it when you go into B notice the rise but it's very to me it's comfortable you know and that's almost 50% more [Music] than was there any further questions comments concerns regarding what was on the fa [Music] view okay um so I believe there was no other questions for the peer review is that correct the party so know last time we were here um there was some comments regarding the appearance of the buildings um I know uh we were speaking regarding the front of building a especially because that's facing Norther closest to Bedford Street would you move the [Music] [Music] I just want to point to the building so just so everyone is clear okay sorry so this is here is B Street and what I'm referring to is building a um it's the closest to the building which faces or which is parallel with the building uh so last time um with the street excuse me uh last time I was here um there was concerns I did hear a board member or a couple is that yours right yes speak about um clapboard siding so we did change elevation facing Bedford Street on building a to a 5in clapboard vinyl sighting to mimic more of the residential look in the area and um right now I think that that was the only change from the last one the last meeting we had and the material being used [Music] is so I think the the the General appearance unfortunately remains um I thought that you had also said you were going to change um the sding to go horizontally for all of the um the metal buildings as well to give it that appearance and and I don't see that you've done that the I don't believe we spoke about that the last Mee not the last meeting the meeting prior the meeting prior um we did have it horizontal however we investigated that issue and that is very difficult to switch with these buildings um the difficulty on the contractor um I know the expense is a lot more um so we did switch back to a vertical siding um as shown at the last meeting okay so I mean I'm still not seeing any variations of this is the color you're going with like a light gray this would most likely be the color so there's no you know once again there's no varying setbacks no varying colors or wall planes or any Dormers porches I did ask you to uh take a look at the other businesses in that area of town they all seem to have um or most of them seem to have a Farmers porch out front and um include much more detailed design elements than this is giving us um there is no you have you have 60 ft of a flat wall plane and it says you know no more than 50 this suggest no more than 50 correct right well did did you add any further screening as so as we spoke last time because of the proximity of the retaining wall and the proximity of the detention paent if we added additional screening I Fe that it would prevent the field of view from exiting the the [Music] site this [Music] is yes and no so I don't know if you can speak to the screen um so the field of we can put [Music] that we have two detention bases yes so where was the I I was not at the last meeting so I'm not clear on exactly where you were asking for I think I believe they mentioned it but because of the areas of the the basins the detention basins yeah this is the Basin right here right up to the property l so I see you have the trees and the retaining wall on that side but so now on the so the South Side yep right there so it appears on the set of plans I'm looking at it looks like it's about 20 ft from the road is from the edge of pavement it is yes now you you can't put anything on the top right but you can put something 15 ft back from the road correct and that you could yes and that wouldn't block the site View and then you also so you have the 4ot um shrubs bordering the existing residential um use and I think we had asked for a fence in that location as well so once once you raise this site up you're going to be right on the same level with that house and 4ft shrubs is not going to block large steel metal buildings from you know screen it properly from the existing residential use I I would like to see a fence in that location can we which so where you have um on the um you had the planting schedule or whatever you the landscape plan it [Music] was go bu it so those are those ever greens are intended to be planted at 4 foot height but they grow to 100 you know 80 ft off um on that side the screen they're not going to remain a 4T tall right but it it'll take years for it to grow that tall and I I I do see that um an a butter is here I would like to see if um if you're willing to come up and speak to whether or not you thought the trees were um sufficient or [Music] not I have um sh I have arbores right now in between and the deer have to eaten up 4 Fe right so it's all bare if you look I mean if they were to stay and I could be blocked that would be fine but I know that even though they're deer resistant they're not so I would I would prefer offense okay is there anything else that you would like to add at this point that's just my okay that's my only concern all right thank you thank [Music] you so I mean as far as I'm concerned we still have this very industrial looking building it doesn't fit with our um site plan review design standards at all um it's right on the road there's no setback there's no driveway there's no proper screening um entrance Entrance Drive there's no long driveway you're you're right 41 ft from the road okay that you know your front building is what I'm referring to which is your so you're worried about the appearance of the buildings not the site plan is that correct it well that's part of the site plan review no no I'm just I'm asking a question you're worried about the appearance of the building not the actual driveway with our exterior design okay so I know how if any other planning board members like to speak to this have any questions comments concerns yeah I mean my my my biggest one is is is again what what you see from the street and and uh and how it presents itself and uh uh you know not not wanting necessarily to to design it for you or anything but uh the the the front building that has the offices in it I don't see any reason why you can't kind of break it in half and take the the garage half of it and slide it back 20 ft I mean or at least 10 ft so that you break that mass down and then the The Next Step would be to take the office building and not build it to the full height of of everything else since you really don't need that height uh and that would well we we may use you may the space above it uh as a mezzanine which I think you're only allowed to use a third of the floor area below it as a mezanine so you could could be a second floor as well how's that could be a second floor as well we haven't decided yet okay well but now focusing on architectural elements that we've I mean you know that that office building could there that office part of the building could be done so that it's not a garage right you know I I I'd like to see at least at least a portion of it with the Farmers porch that looks similar to the other yeah buildings see if they set that if they set this part of it back you could do a little bit of a phony looking porch on that side of it uh so twin boys LLC will not be changing the elevations any further so we request a vote for tonight then CU I we'd prefer not to come back with the same plan um knowing that we will not be changing the elevations account so what we could we can yeah we can I I would recommend again Amy qule Town Council I would recommend that you do not vote tonight I would recommend that you close this hearing you then have 21 days to issue a decision um the um architectural standards are part of your bylaw the architectural standards um you know it states that the following architectural requirements shall apply to all new structures so therefore um your board they're if they're going to inist you know they're going to request that this be closed it can it will have to be closed tonight um and then I would suggest that um this board board would at the next meeting within 21 days um have to decide whether to approve the project as presented um whether to um approve the project conditionally meaning that you would um issue conditions requiring certain elements be changed or you would deny the project um and while drafting a denial I would be certain to draft the denial that the denial is not based on the use because the use isn't allowed use and this is site plan the denial is based on the fact that the the design does not meet the bylaw so um but again I I suggest that that not be done tonight I suggest that you just close it tonight and then that will give me time to draft okay what I need to draft and present to you okay so would someone like to make a motion to close this public hearing I'll make a motion to close the public hearing for two and4 Bedford Street we have a motion in a second roll call and so just to be clear um the hearing the public hearing is now closed so no further information can be accepted okay so Lodge I okay cab will I okay public hearing is closed so we do have 21 days to enter a decision yep and that means we would need to schedule a special um meeting date yeah so oh yeah because we got Thanksgiving correct we'd have to make sure that everyone's watched right right so um can't miss the meeting November 25th or 26th 26 would be um would would be the best if everybody's available is everybody available on Tuesday November 26th y should and could we do it soon we could if you wanted to however however you guys wanted do it yep I don't know what's easier for you if that's easier for anyone else because then we don't have to worry about scheduling um for a a meeting space correct so I know conservation meets on that night um would you would we be able to do that Kathy you think okay okay Dan are you available on the 26th I am okay Jack yes and yep should we do it at 7:00 does that work yep fine or 6:30 which is do you have a preference I I don't either one works for me okay seven keep it consist David you're okay so 700 p.m. on November 26th location want do a zoom is that with you I'm sorry a zoom virtual well so it's been closed it's been closed so there's they would have no testimony they're allowed to be there there's no testimony can be taken is virtual okay if that's what it is that's fine with us police station uh no it's going to be on the zoom we'll do a zoom meeting do [Music] zo right that works and you'll draft something and I will'll have I'll pull together some I'll work with you okay on pulling together some decisions um for the board all right to consider there some options for the board to consider thank you all right thank you motion no um do we have to no you closed it you did make a motion and it was a roll call wasn't it yes we didn't vote you didn't yet no we didn't we did I don't know it it was 2 minutes AG it's already thought yeah no I thought we we started to and then we started talking no we did we voted right yeah you must have been looking at the date yeah I must have wait did we vot okay is it 7 it is 7:02 all right [Music] agenda I'm going to actually open um both of these uh agenda items for number three and number four because they are peer review items that will be discussed at the same time uh number three is public hearing for site plan review of 43 Main Street which was continued to this evening upon the application for a site plan review and approval submitted by by John O for the proposed development of Windgate residences it will include 120 units of assisted living and memory care and 70 units of independent living with Associated site improvements parking area landscape improvements and storm water infrastructure also agenda item number four which is a P public hearing for site plan review at 43 Main Street which is continued to this evening upon the application for a Sate plan review and approval submitted by John O for the proposed development of the fox estate's 55 Plus Age qualified Cottage Home Development it will include 68 units across 26 Cottages 10 duplexes 16 Triplex and a plus or minus 5,000 ft² Clubhouse and a 2,000 plus orus foot wastewater treatment plant which will serve the entire master plan Redevelopment of the former State Hospital site also proposed is a community amenity space Associated site improvements new Ro roadway parking area landscape improvements and storm water infrastructure thank [Music] you and we did have um a response from VHB that was passed out this evening so we haven't had a chance to look at it yet so but we do have um the peir review for the um site in civil and [Music] traffic and landscape and storm water oh all that we have a lot to go through yeah for sure so um for the record j o l with with Rhino Capital the project proponent um I'm joined here uh this evening with several members of our project team Britney kestner our lead civil engineer from VHB Bill Madden our landscape architect um ma obviously Sam Randall on our team Matt key our traffic engineer and Dave Feldman and and's back there too uh Dave feldons Windgate and and is our project manager from VHB so we just handed out sort of a brief presentation um that we're going to project onto the screen as well but just for ease of viewing it makes sense just to do it by print outs all right um so we will start with The Windgate residences um so it's been a while since we were last in front of you I think if I had it jotted down I want to say it was June 27th so it's been a while since we were last in front of you and there's been a lot of work that's been going on uh in conjunction with environmental Partners through a peer review process we've now received two rounds of comments have responded to both one of which the most recent of which you just mentioned just was put in front of you this evening so understand that haven't had a chance to digest that but what we wanted to do here um is present the changes that have occurred occurred over the last several months U many of which were technical in nature but regardless wanted to make sure that the board had the opportunity to hear from our project team have a conversation with uh Liz and her team as well um and talk through any sort of outstanding items that might exist um with the peer review and and and of course any comments that the board might have had or might have um since the last revision set so jumping into it just going to set the stage a little bit here um so as I mentioned we're just going to kind of run through some of these changes we'll start first just setting the stage generally speaking like I said it's been a while since we last year so we have a subdivision proposed I'm now on slide three here um we have a subdivision that is that is proposed um we intend to file a definitive subdivision within the next month or so that will memorialize the plan that you have uh on the left side of the page subsequent to that got a uh an anr plan will be filed um which will or as part of this um this site plan review with with Windgate we'll create that anr to create lot 2B that you see down there at the bottom um so existing site conditions your battery die on you oh goodness oh no good thing we have print outs so what's going on with that little square above too big um that is just an extension of uh the um that's going to be part States that'll be part of 2A that's right that's right the dotted line that you see that kind of bifurcates the project is is the uh zoning District that separates business to residential so why do you why do you I'm just curious why is that part of 2A not part of 2B it was uh mostly an open space to meet open space requirements for 2B or excuse me for 2A okay um so that that little square ends up being a storm water basin that that okay mostly services the The Windgate resid um so next slide brne my mobile button um so the existing conditions of the property I think everyone is is pretty familiar um this project at The Windgate residences is located as part of a um larger master plan Redevelopment of the former Lakeville State Hospital property in its existing conditions it's a roughly 50 Acre Site improved by seven uh structures in various states of disrepair uh in addition uh the northernmost portion of the property there's a 1.12 acre um landfill about 11,000 cubic yards um as part of our Redevelopment we're committed to the complete remediation and demolition of all existing structures on the property as well as the removal uh and Remediation of the landfill um in its entirety um just I think everyone knows but the project is about a half mile from the intersection of Route 105 and 495 and is bound to the north as this plan lays uh by Rhode Island Road Route 79 and to the south at Main Street uh route 105 um parcel 2B which is the home to the Future Windgate residences is a roughly 10 acre property you can go jump to the next slide ay um the project includes the proposal of two structures combined in the in the central portion by a single Story Auditorium that's kind of the the the connecting piece to on the left hand side on the Northern portion of the page is 12 ,000 ft assisted living and Memory Care building which is 120 beds uh 98 of which are assisted living and 22 of which are um uh A Memory Care um on the southern portion is the independent living it's about a 70,000 ft building with 70 units uh of independent living in addition there's a substantial Landscaping package which was peer reviewed uh and we are going to present those changes this Seas evening as well as parking and storm water uh improvements to the project um so that's sort of the general overview I think most people are familiar but wanted to just like I said it's been a while since we were last here so wanted to go over it um in you know holistically um but with that I'll hand it over to Britney to talk through some of the changes that were made as a result of the per coms good evening uh for the record Britney gestner with VHB civil engineer for the project um since the last time we were here we've completed a peer review well not completed we've um commenced a peer review and that's still ongoing um we received a letter we' responded to it with comments and we've received a second letter and we've responded back with comments to those um for the most part the comments were very technical in nature details fine gradings some modifications to storm water um there really were not any substantial modifications to the project about result of the peer review it was um refining things and adding some technical detail um we did want to point out a few minor changes that that resulted but these we think were if anything the most Monumental things um one item is that we have revised the size of the accessible parking spaces on the property to comply with the town bylaw so they are now 12T wide and 20 ft long um we've revised the the layout of the EV parking spaces on the site to comply with the detail that we included um and then the next two there'll be slides that I I'll discuss one is an added roadway um to meet a fire department request for additional access to the rear of the building and the second was a great suggestion from you guys last time we were here actually wasn't a result of the peer review it was what you guys had mentioned um just to modify the uh the one of the access driveways so if we go to the next slide um this is a very minor adjustment um on the left is what we originally filed and on the right is the change it is a little tough but what you can see in sort of the center of these views our laser pointer oh oh is working okay um what you can see is that little spur that John is pointing to that is a deadend Spur that is intended just for the fire department to be able to access farther to the rear of the site um we discussed it with the fire department and and that um they they confirmed that that meets their concerns that they were looking for um so that's one minor adjustment that we made and then the next slide um this is on the west side of the site this is the loading dock access only this is not a main ACC access um but this was a very straight driveway because a civil engineers love straight lines um but you provided a great suggestion that if we add a little bit of curvature we could potentially hide the view um with some Landscaping on either side and it'll just ease the the the look down that long straight driveway um so that's a minor adjustment that we made um there's not many others from a civil perspective that we thought was worth highlighting I'm happy to discuss any anything that you or the peer reviewer want to bring up but like I said it was mostly minor refinements and in grading and storm water um so with that I will pass it off to our landscape architect I love the the curve by the way um Bill Madden landscape architect with Lombardi design uh just to give you a little background in terms of the process um first of all it's been incredibly collaborative with Michael rner and his team um which is which has been a great asset to the uh the end product of the design um we've had two meetings with them um and so what you're going to see we haven't started to do any drawing because we wanted your your sort of thoughts and ideas as well um but what you're seeing in this on the slideshow is essentially our agreement with the comments that they' so we we're giving you the cliffnotes if anyone knows what that means anymore the cliffnotes version of their of their memo so the big point for us from the from their perspective is that we are meeting all of the code requirements from a landscape standpoint if we go to the next slide uh Annie um it's with uh buffers indigenous plants lighting and the M uh mixed use District um if we go to the next slide and we'll get into the detail of this so this was an interesting comment that they had which we are fully in agreement with and John loves um and it's the the spacing of the street lights and so uh Radner Landscape Architects they are interested in sort of having a sort of a sha we're calling it a a puddle of shadow in between the lighting so it gets down down to 05t candles so it's not a uniform lit Street condition um and so we're totally on board with that it keeps the sort of the light levels lower um they also gave us feedback on our fixture and right now we're looking at the fixture we originally were proposing the fixture on the top of the slide now we're uh looking at the fixture on the bottom um there was an interest of having it to feel a little bit more residential the challenge of a resident sort of acorn light is it's not dark sky compliant so we feel like this one is the closest from an aesthetic standpoint the one on the bottom um so we're currently doing photometrics of that to meet their interest in terms of the foot candles as well as the the design um if we go to the next slide there were some concerns as you guys know that you know there's a lot of topography on the site we're building we're cutting and filling and so one of their concerns was just the viability of some of our tree plants and there was no they just wanted us to convey to them that we understood the details of how to build trees on steep slopes um the steep slopes are 3 to one aren't that significant um but we would just convey to the contractor on how to actually execute that for durability long term for the for the trees um a minor detail is just some graphic uh articulation in terms of seed versus sod our Windgate client is very interested to have an instant um landscape day one and other areas where we can actually use seed to actually uh establish Meadow or turf um is an is an opportunity so they just wanted to understand where those two different types of application would occur if we go to the next slide are we done there we go um species selection um so one of their interests again they're coming at it from a big picture long-term viability standpoint which is exactly what they should be doing which is helpful for us they just asked the question about Asian longhorn beetle and emerald ashore um we are sort of sadly but we are going to remove the sugar Maples from our uh species selection because of their issues with the longhorn beetle uh we don't have any Astron site so we're we're fine with that um and there were some other little nuances in terms of the species and location uh for maintenance and that type of thing um but all of this as you can sort of see we're agreeing to all of their comment so this is just going to be developed and included in the next document documentation of the project if we can go to the next slide uh irrigation um is something that we've been talking about and so um you know we're interest Windgate again very interested in the sort of the cultivation of a really beautiful landscape that initial installation so irrigation is going to be a part of it um we're going to select plants for the Fox Estates that can handle more of a um natural growing condition where we're going to focus our irrigation on the clubhouse Lawns um so that feels like it's a sort of a public Green Space and if go to the next slide which I think is the last one uh there was a comment about maintenance and it was an interesting one um because again they're thinking sort of longterm for the town of Lakeville and if Windgate would ever sell the property and I'm sort of getting very transparent about the conversations that we had but I want you guys to sort of just be aware um and so wind gate saying you know they're invested in this landscape this is part of their brand this is what they want but sort of coupled with that is that we're selecting plants that will that are indigenous to the area and will be able to sort of withstand if for some reason there was another uh property owner longterm so we think between The Upfront maintenance um that Windgate is going to have and also the species selection that we're um implementing on the on the site I think that we're safe to say that you know we'll be these these plants in this landscape will be a long-term solution for the for uh Lakeville um a micro detail was snow storage and they just wanted us to convey that onto our plans Britney and Annie have that documented on their plans clearly and they just wanted to see it on ours so we're coordinated um and I believe that BL brings landscape to closure yeah at this point so next time we see you we will have uh fully documented our drawings uh to meet the the slides in the summary that just Cas thank you so much I remember how much time and attention to detail put on the last time around this is great great it's been an awesome Madam chair I do have a question sure um if that's okay yeah go right ahead um in terms of your um the the tree selections and so forth I know yes we've got some issues with Asian beetles and other invasive species um when the plantings go in um what is the thought process in terms of how mature the trees will be I because I saw the renderings they look absolutely gorgeous I think it was for more of a mature mature Community um after a few years but do you know how large those trees will be approximately our current range of caliper size does that mean anything to you caliper size yes um is 2 and 1/2 to 3 and 1/2 in caliper trees um and then in terms of the Evergreens we we can you see me am I looking at I I thought okay sorry you're um so we will the the the evergreen trees are going to be selected based on um where we're trying to screen the abutters for for them so those I believe they were like 8 to 10t evergreen trees for the screening um and and some of the evergreen trees that are sort of within the landscape would be 6 feet um something in that range okay and in addition to the landscape plan I know you had mentioned irrigation is the thought process for irrigation at this time that it will be through town water or will it be uh separate through a well on site a well well water okay very good any other questions all right um Michelle I cck question the um the emergency or the the fire department spur that you're putting in does that um take away any parking spaces it does not for this project I don't think it took any away at all it does rely on um it relies on the roadway system that we're constructing for the 40b project that's what I was getting at yes yes so it does rely on that parking lot to get over but we didn't remove any parking spaces we just extended the the drive itle got it it'll be fight Department access only corre nobody park there but like a maintenance guys go down that's it's fine but no parking in it yep so now and I know you have this project schedule at the end here um can you just remind us what is what's your time I I believe Windgate was the first thing going in could you just give us a little brief yeah yeah absolutely so it's still we we're I wouldn't feel comfortable committing affirmatively to any sort of timeline to the project in terms of our permitting that we have in front of us we have uh our meepa approval which we are two rounds in and we have a third round uh um submission that we are planning to have at the end of this calendar year um that review time and that would hopefully be wrapped up to call it quarter 1 of 2025 um aggressively if we could put shovels in the ground towards the middle to end of 2025 um would be our hope um that is obviously dependent on a sub stantial amount of market conditions in terms of the phasing of the project as a whole um it's our expectation that the assisted living and Memory Care would be sort of the first portion of the of The Windgate residences that would go in ideally the multif family building would be commencing at at the same time and the cottages and the independent living would be sort of a phase three if you want to call it that before we do anything as it relates to Vertical construction all of the Demolition and Remediation will take place so all the buildings will come down the site will get rough graded the the um landfill will be removed and remediated and the project will be like I said rough graded um before we before we start to go vertical with anything again I a lot of that is dependent on various different market conditions that are frankly out of my control um but we're going to do our best to try to meet that timeline thank you it's been a while so I just wanted to yeah trust me I I feel you so I think I missed it so when when exactly will you be constructing buildings ideally in quarter 3 of 2025 so call it sorry that would be beginning construction yes correct so building construction would be in 2026 excuse me okay upgrading site work start to get the site demoed and remediated and towards SC it June July take about six months to get the buildings demoed and remediated and then in 2026 ideally starting vertical construction again this I don't want to be tied to this and bound to this because there's a lot of conditions that are that are Chang out out of our control frankly but you're not proposing um you're not proposing the Demolition and the remediation as part of this project right no no that would be that would be that's separate that would be a demolition permit that we you're keeping that completely separate that's correct I mean obviously you couldn't go vertical with any of these buildings unless you did all of that Dem mhm and you're looking for a special permit um no this is all um this is only site plan approval but they they do have the 40b though right but with the 40b they have three years to commment construction so you should be able to do that MH yeah I'm just concerned about permits expiring understood but I understand you want to keep the Demolition and the remediation completely separate that's correct that be I would imagine that would just be a demolition permit that we would pull through the building department understand that historical you want keep that separate yeah uh another quick question through you madam chair um to Mr oi uh during the demolition process um there's probably I would assume going to be a lot of uh truck traffic 18-wheelers going in and out of the property are you going to using the existing main hospital driveway uh for truck traffic uh during this time um do you see any issues uh pertaining to traffic during the demolition process um I don't I I I mean I don't I don't know exactly what our construction management plan is going to work out to be that'll be part of our building permit process that we go through with um Nate darling and his office um that would be something that we would review with him and go through um with him during that process um and he o Pine there so we'd ensure that Nate feels comfortable with with our construction management plan and that um you know we're we're providing the proper police detail when required um and going through the proper uh channels on that front so will there also be like dust control or some sort of um you know Entry Way Stone to you know for dust purposes and so forth yep that the the um uh construction entrance is part of the Civil plan that that um okay Britney and her team have put together um and then again in addition to that that'll all be part of our um building permit and demolition permit filing with uh with the building department okay the project will be subject we will have to get coverage under the EPA nift's Construction general permit um which covers and requires the um sediment tracking pad that you were just referencing erosion controls dust control um all of that is is pretty strictly regulated under Nifty um and in order to do any disturbance on the site more than one acre we we'll need to have coverage under that okay um one resident had actually um with regard to demolition had um approach me about this for this conversation with regard to uh one of the existing buildings had some um elements of it there was uh some tile and some writings on the building oh they know well about those they're familiar with those uh has anything and I'll ask this of the board as well has anything been done to preserve those elements before the final demo takes place as far as I know like the only thing that we were told is it's very hard to remove those without damaging them and I was told that you know if if any can be salvaged they will try to but you know that's about as much as they can do we're aware of them we're very aware know we know where they are we know what what the goal would be and we'll do our best to to preserve yeah thank you okay sounds good thank you and I I had a quick question for you m CH so as you start construction and demolition do you I'm assuming some of it's coming on Main Street but you going to make a separate entrance on the back into Rhode Island Road possibly get stuff out EAS then going through the site and then I'm assuming during construction you'll have to make a separate construction entrance up the back there which will be a permanent entrance eventually but yeah presumably yes isn't there a road was there a road originally developed on the lights in between your property and the funeral paror that is that was be as well that was going be that ex that's separate to the to this Windgate project that that's part of the the zoning board filing that entrance but yes that does exist and it would be Our intention to reuse that the curb cut is not really in existence anymore it was closed it was Clos it was open now it's closed but anyways that's part of the zba filing and will'll be reviewed by all right and what what would you like to go over next did you want to so we we have a very very similar presentation going over the Fox Estates which we're happy to give and then open the floor up to to peview comments and to talk through any any further discussions that that we'd like to have as it relates to that or we're happy to pause and do just The Windgate it it to you you all yeah let's let's go through the fox States and then we'll open it up and go through the peer review okay great um so a lot of this will be redundant but again just want to get it on the record so um again we were last in front of you in in June of 2020 uh sorry June 27th earlier this year um again just want to sort of set the stage on on what's happened since then so similar to Windgate we received peerreview comments have gone um back and forth um uh on two occasions now uh with environmental partners and their team to address those comments as as Britney will touch on they're very technical in nature but um again wanted to give the board uh an opportunity to uh discuss and review those in detail um so um as part of this filing um again we we talked about the subdivision that that has been filed in addition to that we have the anr that will create those lots 2A and 2B uh and then third the the anr that will create um Lots 2 A-1 uh which will be the um Fox Estates um property um so again in its existing condition property is roughly 50 acres um improved by seven structures uh in various states of disrepair as well as a 1.12 acre landfill in the rear of the property um the Fox Estates has primary entrance uh off r i own Road Route 79 um to the north the Fox Estates property is proposed as a plus or minus 37 acre property um uh is a substantial amount of which is is Wetlands on the northeastern portion uh as you view it here just jump to the next slide Annie um in its proposed condition the fox States is 68 age qualified 55 and over uh cottage homes um they are twoed 2 and 1/2 bath with a single car garage primary living on the first floor with a lofted uh bedroom over the garage um in add addition to the 68 units there is a 5,000 ft clubhouse that sits in the central portion uh of the property that will be open to um the residents um and then next slide in addition to um uh the uh amenity spaces open to uh the residents of the Fox Estates which includes the cottage home as I mentioned an internal walkway and a Pergola within that Central green area we've also proposed um public amenities available to Lakeville residents um this was something that we heard uh as part of our community engagement meeting which we held almost a year ago um back in December of last year um the common consensus we heard was uh the desire for a dog park um so we've actually Incorporated two dog parks as part of this project it's part of the master plan project one of which um is incorporated within this Fox Estates it is up on the Northern portion of the page just off the entrance um from Rhode Island Road uh highlighted is number one on the slide you see in front of you uh in addition to that we've also included a uh public publicly accessible um nature trail which is highlighted is number two uh on the slide here in front of you that nature trail um will run the perimeter uh of the Wetland area and sort of track along uh the 50 and 100t buffer zone um and that portion of the project um puts us within uh conservation commission's jurisdiction and we're currently um going through an noi filing with the Conservation Commission we've had uh two hearings thus far and and have a third coming up um in in about two weeks or so so that's the high level um of the project but I'll once again turn it over to um to Bry to talk through some of the changes were the um was the Conservation Commission generally in favor of the walking tra day work yeah uh very quickly uh for you madam chair can we hold off on can we just um is there any concerns about a dog park and having a special insurance policy for that is that and who would um oversee the oversight of that is that does that need to be included by um the property owner or is that through the town the dog park is not going to be owned by the town it's own it's on the property of the applicant and I don't know about insurance that would be up to the up to that so yeah so let let's just let them get through this we'll save the comments till [Music] after um for the record Britney gestner with VHB civil engineer for the project um similar story we um we've received two comment letters and have responded to two comment letters um most of the comments and most of the responses were technical in nature refinements and Grading a few refinements to storm water um I will note that as part of the discussion with concom um a portion of the existing landfill left by the state does overlap the existing Wetland um so we do need to have direct Wetland impacts to remove that landfill um removing the landfill is definitely restoration to the Wetland however um in discussions with the concom we've increased our Wetland restoration from 1 to one replacement to one and a half to one um so that is one change that has occurred in the last 6 months or so um a second change is that we have Consolidated um some of the the equipment that's required there's an on-site wastewater treatment plant to support this project so we've refined the layout of some of that equipment which has resulted in some very minor adjustments to the layout and Grading at the wastewater treatment plant proposed for the project um as I said before the accessible parking spaces have been updated to meet the town bylaws they are 12 ft wide and 20 ft long um and then I do have one slide to talk through if you can go to yep there it is um we just added a a small bit of parking directly adjacent to the clubhouse um it was discovered that the the amount of parking we're showing next to the clubhouse didn't exactly meet zoning requirements so we added a few new spaces there to ensure we had an appropriate number of parking spaces supporting the clubhouse in the center of the site um but besides that there really were not many Monumental changes to the site design but I'm happy to discuss any specific comment in either letter if if anyone wants to okay so I will pass it off to Bill not to be too redundant because it's really the same but just to point out one specific item that they brought up and since John was talking about the nature trail there was an interest to make the nature feel feel like it's more knit into the existing conditions and we did sort of a regimented planting of red Maples along the nature trail and they were just suggesting to make it feel a little more woodsy to sort of do like sort of more groupings of the red Maples um so it's sort of subjective but at the same time we're you know would like to be sort of you know uh worked in Tandem and we we like the idea so we're going to make that adjustment as [Music] [Applause] well sorry you can you can go through the other yeah same slides you've already seen yeah same and then again just schedule wise um again we're we're in front of mea for this project um it's a three-step process we're two steps through and we're intending to have our third filing with DEA um by the end of this calendar year um as I mentioned this project this portion of the project is under review um by the Conservation Commission and we are um continuing through that process as we speak I think just just a general note what our hope and expectation would be um this evening is to hear and and discuss any further comments um at which point Britney Annie and Bill and and the team will finalize a drawing set that will encapsulate all changes both from the board and and the peer review team um package those up into one sort of complete submission set and then and then resubmit those um to the town shortly shortly thereafter so just in terms of process um that's what our that's what our hope would be and that's what our goal is so um but that concludes our portion um our prepared presentation happy to discuss anything related to either project in in more detail okay well just um for anyone interested that's watching we did uh from our peer rreview receive 48 peerreview comments back for the traffic review and it seems like only 12 have some outstanding uh comments and of those 12 10 of them seem to pertain to meepa Mast do and traffic signal possibility which I assume you're so that would I assume would change if if meepa the process through meepa and mot were to require you to make some off-site changes do you see that having substantial changes to your layout so we have filed our traffic study with meepa and with mot they have submitted two letters now saying dot has said that they have no comments on our traffic study okay um therefore we don't anticipate any significant changes from dot on the project if something were to change then yes this project does require an access permit and we have to satisfy dot in order to have this project Advance um but we don't anticipate significant modifications from dot okay because that was my main concern because of the number of times that environmental Partners came back and said we we believe that there may be some remediation required and work the Town to work closely with the meepa I did speak with the um the new Town Administrator I don't know if you've had a chance to meet him we do have a new 10 administrator Andrew S suor um he's great um the first thing that he did was reach out to rep orell and ask him you know where does that bridge street light stand because it's been so so long at this point so um I told him to just keep an eye out for anything for meepa and to keep an eye on you know anything that might you know have an effect on that but um if you're saying that you're not getting anything back from mot that um it it may be helpful we can share with you the comment letter that mot submitted to meepa on our on our draft um e that that maybe I mean it's public document it may be helpful we share that um but it we don't anticipate do to to uh request any significant changes from what we're proposing okay and then I mean you did like I said you submitted um another response to this and we haven't really had a chance to go through it I don't really want to take your time and go through all those open items right tonight I'm assuming that because so many of them were specific to those that You' probably addressed the remaining the remaining items we're not anticipating that many should if any should remain open after our responses both to the traffic and civil letters okay and yeah so for the Civil um with the storm water there were 30 comments from peer review uh it looked like eight that remained open and then there were eight additional comments sort of at the end um and once again you we have another letter from you in regards to that so I look forward to looking through that and making sure that all that's um checked off and I know we do have peer review here for the town I don't know if you'd like to come up and um yeah there's anything you'd like to add really gone through that letter okay that we SE so if is there any anything else that you think they want to the the comments of the last letter were minor in nature really as the team said very minor okay I'm assuming this recent letter I I did take a quick look through it I haven't seen updated PL yet but as long as the plans comply with the with the comment letter I don't see an issue for along the Cil site side um we have Steve here and if you could just introduce yourself I'm sorry my name is uh Elizabeth Andis I'm a professional engineer um from environmental Partners thank you I'm Steve Shakari um uh I'm representing environmental Partners I did the uh traffic peer review okay um related to Traffic um yes as as it was mentioned earlier uh there was there was a lot of comment in the beginning and uh most of them were closed after the first uh responses to our comments and of the ones that are uh that remain open some of them are minor um and some of them are related to uh the meepa and the offside mitigation and all of that which uh based on the recent um responses that the applicants team provided apparently um massot has reviewed it draft environmental impact report and they don't uh they they they didn't require any offsides mitigation um as we recom recommended if Mass if the town has any concerns about the um issues that were raised in our uh letter uh this is an the meepa process is an opportunity for the town to uh to provide input for Massa consideration but if mot didn't see it necessary and the town has no con concerns um probably um we can leave it at there I mean it's not that the town doesn't have concerns we know that there is an issue at the brid street light we also know they don't own the property directly across from Bridge Street so that does um sort of cause an issue I don't know if you have anything there you can't force them to do something they don't own the property um I know that that you have they've tried to mitigate the traffic by the the additional egress [Music] um but other other wise it would be up to mot I guess just to determine that yes at the end of the day it's mad that decides whether these uh mitigations would be would need to be implemented or not but the town can can speak up and um raise your concerns for their attention Okay thank you um do any of the planning board members have any questions comments concerns for the um peer review or applicant um not not for the peer riew but on the um I'm just just curious on the Walking uh the nature trail is there going to be any parking down in is it 2 a-2 or whatever that will there be parking down there or is it there will be a separate parking and then for the dog park and the I think the parking was up by the wastewater treatment plant right yeah there's there's parking at both proposed um dog parks on sort of okay both ends of the site all right yeah this hasn't come up yet all right that's why and the the walking trail actually has a connection to both of those dog parks and and by resolve both of those parking areas okay how many parking spots at those so there are four um on the Northerly side near have the wastewater treatment plant okay and I probably around four on the other side but let me just grab it I don't have it it's on the other it's on the DBA plant no that's I was just curious start all the way down I just wondering if people can ACC it from both sides yeah um Madam chair may I um so you it appears that you're keeping um this is Fox this is Fox Estates so you're keeping Fox Estates completely separate there's no connection correct so and the the fire department has looked at this and they're okay with their being no connection at all um but there's a slight connection between I think you're calling it The multif Family building and Windgate M okay and that connection but that connection is only for emergency vehicles or is there is there a a public so-called public connection between the two we haven't designated it as an emergency access only so yes in theory it would be a public okay what we were trying to do in separating the The Cottages the Fox Estates from the other portions was prevent that to be a cut through okay to allow residents from Rhode Island or drivers from Rhode Island Road to come through our property to then avoid that intersection at 79 105 we didn't felt that that created a condition that we didn't want to encourage okay we' be able to both come out to Main Street so no one gains any things from going through that correct but they go out in separate entrances that's correct okay that was my only question okay have any questions the curve on the loading duck a little bit more I mean oh I think it's pretty good no well yeah but you can still you know if you're out on the street you can still see down it you know it would be nice if it was just enough it was maybe the width of the street that the offset was we'll take a look at and see what we can do is that it yeah that was it did you have any Dean did you have any questions oh I I guess I did have have have one and just uh kind of an upfront critique on the uh on the renderings uh primarily the The Windgate buildings they're they're kind of big and uh I mean I understand that but uh uh kind of kind of bland kind of kind of deadly and it would be nice if there was some sparkle or some zip to them somewhere and that's you know that's that's you know uh an architect who's now getting a little crochety in his in his old age I I think I think and I I don't want to speak for David but I think the the the renderings that you see in front of you here unfortunately don't capture necessarily some of the the material changes uh in color that we've proposed um the there is some color differential that that just isn't quite doesn't quite show well um on the slide so we understand the concern again curb appeal and again I'm I'm putting words in David's mouth he's he's the The Windgate expert but curb appeal is a is a huge piece for them in their success um and so they put a lot of thought and consideration into ensuring that that entrance to the property The View as you walk in the feeling that a resident gets or a potten potential resident gets when they enter the property is a big Focus for them part of Bill's landscape design cons considers that same thing so um totally hear you and we'll ensure that it's not just a bland Frontage we'll see that I do like it are you you're talking about like this this side yeah I like it ni I'm not an AR I'm not an architect we should see a really good can provide D did you have any more questions Dan not at this time all right [Music] so as far as peer review are we expecting another set of comments back based off of their response most likely yes okay um we haven't seen any updated plans yet so we need to see those okay so we were waiting to see if we had any more comments which we received a excellent comment so we will incorporate that and reissue the plans in the next few days all right great um so time to set a date I guess um need to continue to another date do do you have a date in mind that you guys are looking for uh I mean we we'd ideally love to kind of get back in front of you as soon as we can again we December is December 12 so because of the holidays right you only have one more meeting the rest of the year right minus the special meeting yeah which and to attend special meeting sound like much fun so December December 12th do I work for you council is it [Music] uh we typically need 3 weeks after we receive the S plan okay I mean but then there's holidays in the middle yeah yeah I can do December 12th you can't I can oh you can yes okay so so the 12 is 1 two three four weeks but there's the the Thanksgiving holiday yeah you think it would work or depending upon how quickly we would get the revised plans okay very early next week okay [Music] so do we do we think we can um put you on for December 12th M yeah yeah and I think we have a special permit here in opening that evening ask what we have already there okay yeah all right well um let's would someone like to make a motion to continue this the actually they're both so we have to continue both all I'll make a motion to continue Windgate residency residence and fox States 43 Main Street till December 12th 24 going to be here it's a police station Lille police station second so we have a motion in a second all in favor roll call davoll call vote oh yeah Lodge i i cab I Ln well I all right so we will see you back on on December 12th Madam chair record my name is Robert mavi project attorney and I hope it wouldn't be presumptive to think that we could start moving towards an approval document um and I would just like to see how the board envisions us doing that um does Amy begin it do we give you do we give a a proposed approval you want me to answer yeah so um it's always better if if you give me a proposed um document with all of the uh factual findings that you want um even if you want to present if you want to propose conditions and then I could work off that okay okay um it saves time then for me to have to go through the entire file and figure out you know how big the buildings are how many parking spaces things like that so what we might do is work on that document and have it prepare so that you have time to review that ahead of that December 12th meeting and we can have that as part of our discussion if the board is okay with that I mean as long as everything checks out through peer review and I see why not absolutely okay okay great thank you thank [Music] [Music] well moving on to um and actually I guess you're good I think we got the rest okay but thank you for being here um and so we'll see you on can I take this absolutely if you let me know if you need anything else on that too yeah I'll work with you I'll reach out to you Michelle um and then you mentioned that some someone or more than one has to do the Mullen certificate yes so just make sure that's done certification yeah yeah so just to be clear oh did we lose Dan no he's on the side isn't he oh he's M with he turned his camera off oh um so just so you know if from these public hearings it's not just for special um special permit items for the site plan reviews if you have missed one meeting uh you have to certify that that's what she's referring to as Molen Molen eyes and um you should have that the copy of the form in your email you have to uh certify that you watched the meeting or read the minutes and then um turn that into the town Clark it's actually you have to watch the watch it you have to watch it oh you do have to watch it not just or not you either have to watch the meeting listen to an audio recording or read a transcript so a transcript is not the minutes so just watch it okay so if you have missed a meeting for one of these past public hearings please get that on record you're allowed to miss one one if there was discussion so if you missed it and there was no discussion it was just a continuance you don't have to worry about that but if there was discussion you missed you have to watch the lake cam recording certify it town clerk yes okay and give a a copy to Kathy just in case okay in C Cy is that it okay yeah I guess that's it I will see you on zoom and then I'll see you in December I'll see you next week okay we'll see you right okay let me know okay yep sure okay so moving on we have agenda item number five which is review the following zoning board of appeals petitions um the first one is buds good buds Goods at 475 Kenneth Welch Drive so this one is an already established um marijuana facility they go through zba because that's a special permit for that uh use they actually came back to zba when they did an expansion uh not that long ago I think I think you were on thisle months ago just a few months back um and now so they're going back to zba at this point and they so last time they went to zba and they wanted to expand and they said we're expanding but we're not hiring we're not bringing in new employees so parking is not an issue they didn't want to have to include any more parking um and part of the condition for that approval was that um they were not add any further employees now uh this one appears to be they're requesting that the zoning board consider um that's different one that's the other one the wrong one I grabbed it out in my stack consider that they allow um additional employees so um just from for myself knowing the last time that I've driven by um they already have cars that aren't parked in spaces and there's already a parking issue with the building across the street um they were the building across the street was uh required to put up a guard rail a wooden guard rail to prevent the parking in the wetlands um and now there's parking across on the other side of the street up along the wetlands as well um myself you know they're asking to allow 24-hour operation increase the number of employees from 25 to 35 with a maximum of no more 15 employees per shift 24 is that a three shift a problem for us town no I mean for me it's like for for planning board I mean the concern is parking so I would like to reiterate the concern of they're already at they seem to be past maximum capacity for parking yeah and I don't know I don't know where it comes up with um accessible spaces like now I don't know where that I I don't know the ADL with the Tipping SK how how many per 10% right what about that well so if you're adding employees you're supposed to provide so many spots per employee but per shift too but it's also I don't know cuz they have shifted again the whole my whole thing is the parking they have 20 23 spots and the 35 employees and there 15 that means there's always going to be a a deficit when you have shift overlaps right they have a satellite parking across in the liquor store on nope that's not them that was somebody else that was the across the street so this is 475 Kenneth Walch um so yeah I mean they're just they trying to put a lot of people over in that area and there's just not a lot of parking just going over the zba petition I'm sure you're familiar with it um and so they they had already come to zba for an expansion they said no more employees and now they're looking for employee expansion and so they already had a parking deficit because I know I driven by and I saw that people were not parked in spaces they were inside the parking lot still but they were parked here there wherever they could fit um so now that they're adding more especially even though they're doing this staggered shift there's going to be overlap there's going to be more parking on the side of the road in a bad spot where it's a curve on the road Wetlands so you don't want them parking on the wetlands or any any they got rocks in front of their property so they're going to be all the way down Beyond there'll be more across the street and there's already a lot of uh cars parking across the street space that all facility over there but additional spaces parking with it's like they have to go up it's like build a parking garage or something I don't I'm I'm not sure what the solution is but um I think we should send a comment to zba in relation to um parking concerns which I'm sure they're going to hear it from others I would assume but I think we should um let them know that they appear to be past capacity at this point and uh should be like you said not only providing parking spaces but enough Ada parking spaces as well to remain compliant with um that as well are there any other comments concerns that you'd like to send to CBA for this go Ahad sorry go so this hasn't been passed by CBA yet nope we're looking for they gave it till tomorrow I didn't say that please give all comments by nove Friday November 15th oh uhoh yeah well I think because we haven't had a meeting it came out October well no this came out well Kathy prepares the comments and then she sends it over to herself so um well yeah again with the parking then you know they're adding it looks like there's there could be issues with access around the site so you know I mean now you have parking so now you have if there was a fire good point Y especially in the overnight hours when you know when you have less staff on and and and fire department and stuff like that right if they're parking in a fire lane if there is a fire Lan and there's no I haven't looked I me is there any guidelines for hours of operation for I mean or so they are in the industrial park Go 24 hours right that's up to zba to allow it in under the special permit um and I know that the 310 Kenneth Walch is to do 24hour yes so they're looking they're looking for that as well so 24hour increase the number of employees so I think they do need to look at parking Ada and ensure they are not blocking emergency access you know the time I've G over there it seems like there's open space but there's no open space for them to acquire for parking there a lot the problem with our industrial park is it's full and there's a lot of wetlands it was actually buil some of those buildings are in Wetlands so they really don't have much place to go except that's why it's like you got to go up or down put a I don't know yeah I don't know but um so Kathy if we send a comment with those does somebody want to make a motion to send a comment with those three items unless there's any Dan do you have any other items to add I do have I'll I'll make a motion to send um the following comments to zba um for 475 count W Drive uh PL PL board's concerns are parking um fire access and um parking uh quantity as well as ada8 um spots second all right so we have a motion in a second roll call all in favor y l ey mck ey cabal Che Lynch will I and the motion carries unanimously all right um B Robinson 18 Fuller Shores road so this one is a residential they're looking to move a shed from one side of the property to the other I think it's replace one and put a new one yeah yeah like remove it and then put one in but they're moving it from one side to the other side of the property and it is within a setback the existing one is too but yeah it it looks like it's within the 100ft buffer zone but typically we we um don't send comment on residential because zoning board is um much more familiar with these and because it is they're looking for um this you know special is it a variance or a special special perm I don't even know if you p a permit for under 2 or Fe yeah so because they're looking for a special permit you know if any of others have an issue they'll show up and speak to it and Zoning Board will um you know apply you know accordingly so would we like to send a comment of or no comment no comment CBA I'll make a motion to send no comment for the anr for no 18 18 Fuller show Road second we have a motion and a second roll call uh Lodge i i cab i l will gu I all right and that passes unanimously agenda item number six approve the August 20 2024 minutes October 10 2024 and October 18 2024 minutes so we had three sets of minutes did everyone have a chance to look over these minutes anyone have in any edits I not no edits I had no edits myself which so I think we have to um do them individually yeah individually depends if you any stains on them I miss oh sorry did I miss three meetings in a row oh yeah uh no you're there October 18 I don't my so everybody was there for all of these I don't see my name on yeah was he in the one he wasn't in the you all three Mee yes no oh yeah okay so Jack you you on any of them you weren't on any of them no I I find it okay I so Jack would be the only one stains them all first they do all right so can I do them all together if if he's going to abstain from all okay so I'll hold on I'll make a motion to approve the the August 20th 2024 October 10th 2024 and October 18th 2024 meeting minutes as as written you have a motion second and second roll call Lodge i m i cabal i jackob stains Dan I all right and the minutes are approved agenda item number seven rules and regulations Grant possible vote so there's nothing in your packet about this this has to do with what we've discussed prior we received a grant of $48,000 towards um revising and updating our planning board rules and regulations uh which was great news that we did get the grant um additional great news is that serpent can do the work um originally they said they weren't going to be able to now they do have the uh ability to do it and um because procure government laws apply and they are a government entity we don't have to worry about going out to bid because they are able to do the work it makes sense to me that um sured because they're doing the if they if they do the rules and regulations uh they're also um supposed to be drafting a storm well not drafting they have a draft of a storm water management storm water management no storm water bylaw sorry um so it makes sense for them to work together to make sure that the rules and regulations sort of speak to the storm water bylaw draft as well so um theica is supposed to be working on the storm water and then um I'm not sure if it's Taylor or someone else that's sured but it makes sense for them to work cohesively to get both of those drafted um as long as everybody is in agreement I thought we should take a vote to make it official and and um authorize serid to do the work for the rules and regulations to be um revised utilizing um the grant money I'll make a motion to uh utilize the grant money to have surf head review and U review The Rev revise the rules and regulations rules and regulations seconded all right we have a motion in a second roll call logai cab L will motion carries okay um number eight planning board goals so we do have in our packet this spreadsheet that we got from the master plan implementation committee um Jack so we're going to give you a few updates get ready to take notes notes do you have a notepad bet you all right so that you can um bring some notes back to um you osrd no not osrd master plan master plan implementation committee yes all right so going down the list we've so they've already have some notes Here on the first page under to run a development project so that's still going the A-frame that's also in front of us um Lakefield nurseries that's actually five hiring which was just approved um and then we also um just approved a zoning change at town meeting for uh Industrial in that Route 44 area so um you can let them know that those things are still ongoing Jack you know as well as that um Harding Street Industrial zone change um then they had the next to bowling land use strategy passed it a town meeting um hire a town planner we're still on the hunt for a town planner um the strategy under land use gold 2. 2-2 2-2-1 creates owning District that encourages mixed use Village types in specific locations um we are going to now that town meeting's over we need to um start reaching out to open space conservation um the woa tribe and get um get them invited to meetings Kathy if we could try to set something up for January with open space conservation and the tribes see if they have avail availability and that will continue the discussion of looking at open space residential development um specifically in the location of Rocky Woods whatever it's called now right we we'll still call it Rocky Woods I guess for now um and then another thing that you can add Jack is that I mean when we're talking about moderate densities and multif family housing and appropriate locations what we have coming into town is sort of filling that need because we you know if Rocky Woods is built that's 200 units if um the 43 Main Street 40b portion of of it is built that's another 200 apartment high density multi family um then we know we have the Cottages that's going into 43 Main Street that's another mixed juice density um and now I don't know if wind gate if you want to consider the assisted living and and independent living but those are all high density so you could bring those up and let master plan know that we have multiple projects coming into town that yeah I'll show them all the different entities they have they that do address those um goals um sign bylaw that's already been addressed L use strategy of transfer development rights I don't that just that seems like something that's going to take a lot to try to do [Music] um below that 2-2-4 adopted open space residential design so it did say drafted Serpa drafted an osrd bylaw which I didn't know seret ever did I know that Resnik brought the one from Fox bar but I never I never saw one that surer drafted um and I want to give you a draft on that of of my own okay so well when when we scheduled the meeting you can discuss any you know edits that you you'd like to um discuss so you once again jack that's about osrd and we'll start meeting in January with interested um boards committees and [Music] groups um the next goal down it's talking about the moderate densities I think that um we have have those coming into town on the next page under housing strategy work with part uh work in partnership with local developers to be build senior housing with a variety of housing units so another item that we have already had discussion with was in regards to the Lakeville Country Club MH um I know they are looking to potentially bring a zoning overlay um to Springtown meeting so you can let uh master plan know that they are looking at senior a potential senior housing Zone oh yeah at the Lakeville Country Club yeah yeah I forget so they met with planning board and then they went they did a presentation to the select board as well okay how did that go over the select board um I don't think anybody really showed up to yeah would I think I think they listened to it and it was I thought they did a good presentation yeah yeah I I I mean I think most people did yeah so I as far as I know they just did a presentation and not I don't remember what I don't I don't know if I watched that [Music] actually but that is something that um I just know they were looking for the water they were concerned they they were interested in the water um but the town didn't or the S board didn't want to um make a determination on a water line based off of like a potential project or something like that right but I mean that's something that potentially could address the senior housing um continue to increase eligible um Shi units I mean that happens every time there's a 40b they have to include Shi units um CPA funds can also be used um to so because there's the housing ption portion of it it's it's supposed to be for Community affordable housing we've discussed a potential um way of using those CPA funds to maintain existing units which is quite a process but um it has been done the Coalition sent us some guidance some documents to kind of go off of and I know CPA is interested in that and it would take a it would it would take a lot of collaboration to get it done though but knowing that there's a large number coming off in I think around I want to say 12 years like it gives us time as long as we keep our eye on that yeah and and um so you can write that Jack you can say that CPA funds can also be used to um try to uh prevent uh Shi units from falling off um the next one down Economic Development um talks about you know Rhino development project is at on hold but right now it's moving forward and we're talking about um drafting some conditions by December so it's not on hold so you can um let them know it's moving forward the A-frame on Route 18 that one has been moving forward yeah although they're very um unwilling to work with our review um Lakeville nurseries that one is moving forward as well which is the five Harding Street um we have 160 Bedford which is looking for a special permit so if that becomes a legitimate business that grows Economic Development the zoning changes at Town Meeting those contrib to Economic Development you know increasing the industrial Zone there on rout 44 um it's kind of redundant to allow moderate densities um on to the next page the thing at the the item at the top expand the existing chapter 43d District to include the Dewey bowling alley property I would love to to see that happen but um we just have a lot going on at this point to focus on that um and and it would take a collaboration um enhance existing Economic Development I think we I know I've heard talk of getting the economic development committee going again but I haven't seen that happen talk about mixed use Village type development bicycle pedestrian amenities I know one of the comments from peer review had to do with um bike paths so like but that's difficult to do when you don't have any other bike passs in town yeah well we just got the the uh uh a Butters uh memo on 79 yeah I just received it today M cuz they're going to widen 79 from Clear Pond oh you did okay way out to right right so you so so they're going through conservation okay that's that's what we but uh but it's widening for sidewalks and bike lane that's true huh well there's a beginning so I guess you oh Jack is leaving he go to the bathroom okay should I take his notes yeah maybe I don't know let me see well let me see his little pad he's Tak one here I think oh was he [Music] oh yeah know I'll write I'll write some not here I think that uh that project is supposedly slated for next springing 2025 79 widening I think so adding bike paths or Trails I don't know what it's called paths right bike lane yeah um enhance existing economic development that doesn't even say planning board um create zoning districts encourage mix use Village type completed comp complemented by bicycle pedestrian amenities that's that uh 4-2-2 once again that's kind of redundant because it's talking about mixed well yeah mixed use Village type well I guess it's not redundant I would like to see another mixed use Zone in town just done I don't like our existing mixu zone so I wouldn't want to expand it unless it's revised so that's not something we've been able to tackle yet utilize existing Massachusetts Department of Agriculture resources okay that doesn't really apply to us next page we have one of them couple down here um natural and cultural resources talks about um priority protection areas so we did have the priority protection and Development Goal 5-1 PDA and p pa areas have been updated summer oh God they were supposed to do a official um Regional release in fall but I haven't seen that fall 2024 but we do have and I know I've sent it around sent draft of the map mhm around I sent it to um master plan as well so they do know that or they should know that that um is in the works um got historical historical to the next page 6 to um yeah ta historical conservation Town administrative select board open space I'm going to skip that page okay on to page seven um talks about rekindling partnership efforts between private land owners land conservation groups and save and local governments to enable future open space acquisition um so we do have osrd MH once again again 224 o Sr D slated for spring 2025 town meeting specific um the next one down opens space committee is currently updating sections of the open space plan I know that that um I had offered you know if they needed serpent hours to come to standing board but I haven't seen anything from them I know that they oh Kathy do you have any can you add anything about the um open space plan do you know where that stands um I know that the woman that comes in part-time has been working on it I don't know exactly how much she has left to do with it oh okay H cuz that's something I mean that really should get done and I know well once it's done we'll see it because plan but supposed to review it and I know I had seen a grant and I had sent that information out um cuz it's not a grant you had to qualify for it was like an instant Grant but I guess they just want to get it done in house instead uh just kind of unfortunate cuz I had offered serpent hours too a couple times yeah I don't know and we CU we didn't end up using our separate hours last year and select Bo didn't either we end up utilizing other things to get it you know to didn't have to touch our hours so it's a shame that it's so expired because there's grant money attached to [Music] it but um feel free to let them know if anybody asks about it let them know that planning board is willing to help with serpent hours yeah like I said I mean there's a grant available that someone would just actually do it up well I mean the the foundation is there but they could put it together they can make it modernize and and as far as I know they've already made all the updates yeah it just needs to be formatted or Maps or something yeah there's quite a bit left I don't know where it stands right now but when you know I I gave it back so to speak there was still a lot that had to be done oh jeez okay unfortunate but um I mean we're listed on that so all right moving on we got the next page fire department s board DPW C agent historic um down to i' say 7-3-2 uh pursue all appropriate federal and state grant opportunities so we did get to utilize the rural development funds and that's what we just approved for um okay revising PB she taking notes rules and to have serid update um all right nothing else on that page talks about a Public Safety Committee um P I really want to see that done the road the roadway you know get a group together because there's some bad areas in town that really should roadway safety audit well the one right right above it because it says you know unregulated roads never get posted long-term goal is to get masked out to get major road regulated town will need an engineer but then it says the safety aut was there was some somewhere that it said that the here does town does not fall under M do guidelines for funding so it sounds like it's something we have to do in house or hire somebody um the highway department Town planner townwide bicycle pedestrian plan um and then it said investigate updating Town subdivision rules and regulations to require more bicycle and pedestrian facilities so uh that is also 8-2 D3 what I just said the the grant that we have for the rolls and Rags uh Transit Authority Town planner regular traffic Highway all right so I think that's about it I don't know if you'll be able to read my chicken scratch Jack but look at it here's a few here's a few to add all right so you can bring back and let them know that this is what you have for updates on that and um administrative update administrative update um do we have anything for that no have nothing very good next meeting December 12th 2024 Lakeville police station 700 p.m. any other business nothing motion to make a motion to adjourn second second motion a second roll call we have kerai cab ly all right meeting is adjourned