Good evening everybody and welcome to the uh planning board meeting for the Lakeville Planning Board. It is Thursday, November 12th, 2020 at 700 p.m. Uh, this is a remote meeting and first item on the agenda, I'm going to
read into the record that in accordance with the governor's order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, general law, chapter 30A, section 20, related to the 2020 Nobel Corona virus outbreak emergency. The November
12th, 2020 public meeting of the planning board shall be physically closed to the public to avoid group congregation. However, to view this meeting in progress, please go to facebook.com/lakecamp. You do not need a Facebook account to view this meeting. This meeting will be
recorded and avail.tv back. Uh for the record, is anybody else recording this meeting other than Lake Cam? And so for I'm going to take a attendance here starting with board
members. Uh just kind of raise your hands as I go around. I see Barbara Manovski, uh Michelle McCran, and Jack Lynch >> here. >> And I currently don't see uh Peter
Conroy. Um, Barbara, would you mind? Do you have Peter's cell phone? I don't know if he was uh if he notified anybody he couldn't attend, but it was quite a ways back in the uh email trail for the uh Zoom login. So, you might
want to shoot him that just in case he's struggling to find it. Um, so the first hearing tonight on the agenda is a site plan review for 202 Main Street. Uh we're going to meet with
Riverhawk Engineering uh which is Bob Rigo and the applicant we have here is D. Elliot. And at this point I'm going to recuse myself from this hearing and turn it over to the vice chair, Barbara. Uh Barbara, please unmute yourself to start
on that too. >> Guys, how is everybody doing? Okay. So, I guess we're ready to hear from um the presentation is going to be presented with Riverhawk Environmental. Is that correct? >> Are they present?
>> Bob, you're muted. >> Is that Bob Messia? >> I I uh I apologize. Uh Bob Rio from Riverhawk Environmental. Sorry about that. Thank you, Mark. >> You're welcome. >> Um yeah, so I don't know if we'll start off uh D. uh Elliot, the owner of the
property, uh an applicant, maybe just give a brief uh overview and then and then I can jump in and kind of back up with the uh technical nature of our application. >> D, you're muted as well. He's muted. >> Can everyone hear me now? >> A little bit louder.
>> Okay. Well, thank you for considering Elliot Farms plans this evening. Um my name is D. Elliott, owner of Elliot Farm on Main Street in Lakeville. Um, my father, Ken Elliott, came to the former Wilky Farm in 1993
and began selling his homegrown produce to the public. In 2014, my brother and I assumed management of the farm, and since then, we've expanded to 50 acres in vegetable production. Um, our retail stand is thriving, thankfully, and we
run a 200 member CSA program. In addition to that, we grow about 50,000 pounds of produce um for neighboring communities that faced food insecurity due to CO 19. And this past June, the state announced
a CO 19 related grant program for food producers. and we were fortunate enough to receive funding from that program to support the construction of a new farmstand facility, the plans for which you're reviewing tonight. Um, as part of
that grant program, there's a stipulation that the project must be completed by June 30th, 2021. And this is an ambitious construction timeline. So, I kindly ask that um you all consider this time constraint when
reviewing our plans. Um, engineer Bob Rigo with Riverhawk Environmental will present the plans. And on behalf of myself and my family, I just wanted to thank everyone for their time this evening. Thank you. >> Bob, would you like to would you like to
begin speaking? >> Yes, please. Um, should I share my screen? Would it make it easier uh for >> Sure. >> Yep, that'd be great. >> All right, great. >> Okay. Um, so as D stated, uh, this is the the the um Elliot Farm. I guess it's
on the uh southeasterly side of Main Street. Um, it's approximately six acres in size. is the overall thing that the the section we're showing on this plan here in front of you is um the section which includes the uh existing barn and
uh farm stand. It's um the properties located in a residential zone and um there's basically an existing uh dwelling on the property that's uh the the owners of the farm live in and then the um or I guess D's father lives in.
Um there's um an existing barn uh an associated cooler and then there's a carport associated with that um with it with the sale of the vegetables. Um there's a parking lot which provides parking currently for about 10 um cars
and there's um five green houses on the on the easterly um portion of the property. Um basically they're looking to improve that by um basically um demolishing the existing
barn which is located on this portion of the property and um building a new uh barn that's would serve as the farm stand. It would have two overhang um portions to the property. the the stand itself would be about 40x40. Uh and
there'd be two 18x40 overhangs, one on the on the uh northerly side and one on the easterly side. Um they would take the existing cooler that's already on the property and kind of relocate that onto uh what would be a
proper loading dock. would be um at an elevation that would allow them to back up and with their existing truck and and um load and unload to the cooler. We're proposing to improve the the parking. So, instead of uh 10 spots,
there'll be 19 spots that we'd be providing um including one handicapped uh van accessible uh handicapped accessible parking space um and then um 18 additional uh spaces, which would be eight more than than currently exists.
And we'll get that kind of in a similar area to what exists there now. It would just be slightly rearranged and reconfigured. So, um it'd be a little more efficient. Um, at the same time, we'd improve the driveway access in and out of the the parking area for the um
farm stand. Uh, just by making those basically they're in the same location of the current curb cuts on Main Street. they'd just be readjusted to be a little more perpendicular and um widened slightly with with some um wider curb
radi on the on the entrances just to make the in and out uh a little easier um in and out of the facility. We basically the grading we've maintained kind of the natural grades kind of so that the the water flows um
as it does now. We've just improved kind of um the the made the parking lot up in this area somewhat flatter. It it does this area of the site slopes off steeply um to the east and we've provided basically for tractor access into the
fields along um the main street side and then for basically vehicle access and also um customer and pedestrian access into the into the field area where they sell um from what I understand um flowers where people can pick their own
flowers and vegetables and de could probably expand on that better than I Um, and that's basically it. Um, I believe that that the basically the same operations at the facility just with improved parking layout and and
also and and maybe I'll let D also talk about how this farm stand might be used uh in a slightly different way than it is uh now if there are any. So, I guess I'll turn it back over to D uh for that.
Thanks, Bob. Yeah, I can speak to that a little bit more. So, the farm stand um will serve as a retail space, but also for as a workspace uh storage and and food um processing area. So, um it's a
twostory uh facility. The ground floor will be um a work area and storage space for the farm. The first floor um will be divided down the middle. the first half being the retail space. Um so 20 by 40
and then um in the back the same size space 20 by40 will be a work space, cooler space, storage space also um a bathroom and a a kitchen area for us to be able to um cut fresh produce and sell
like sliced melon, chucked corn, things of that nature. Um, so retail customers have the outdoor um retail space over um the porch roof in the front. They would enter the retail space and exit onto the
porch on the lefthand side um to check out and exit. >> Oh, this there's just uh some elevation views um of the proposed uh barn and and um stand area also. And that's uh I think that's it. Unless
um D has anything additional to add? >> I don't think so, but I'm happy to answer um any questions the planning board has >> before I ask um my couple of questions. Does anybody else have questions at this time?
>> If I could make a comment. Um I'm just thrilled about this. I'm excited to see the additional parking, the farm stand. I think this is such a vital part of our community and for the surrounding towns and I really appreciate that you're doing this and I really don't want to
see us, you know, be the reason that you're slowed down in any way. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. >> Does anybody else have comments or questions? Okay, not hearing none. Um, I just want
to mention um that I I guess I do have one question on the farm stand. There's a reference to um an entrance location for trucks. I would presume those trucks that were referenced when Bob was speaking are specific to farm equipment that's being used and not something
larger um that's taking goods goods to and from the farm. We um also have a 14 foot box truck um that we use. So we partner with other local farms. Um we don't grow lots of
berries or apples on our farm. So we partner with Surveilli Farm in Rochester, um Fortown Farm and Secon. So that's the largest truck that we'll be using. Okay. >> Um to bring in various uh produce and local items that we don't grow on site.
>> Perfect. Okay. Um, just for the for for the sake of of of anyone who's watching the program, it's I think it's important to note that this is a residential district, but under our bylaw, um, you can sell um, ag you can
have agricultural use and the sale of goods as part of the the buy right or residential location. So we don't see any issue with um at least we don't see any issue at this time with uh proceeding with this approval. The one
thing that I would mention is that I do think that the board of selectmen um needs to be um Oh, Mark. Yes. >> Um a after thinking about this, Barbara, um I know that their time constraints are tight and as chairman, I would be
prepared to call in a meeting next Thursday if needed. um if the remainder of the board that was going to vote on this felt uncomfortable with an approval. Uh but when the plans were turned in or they attempted to plan in
the 10day requirement was election day and the town hall was closed so they turned them in the next day. Uh I think they needed to give a few more hard copies. Um and possibly the police department and the fire department haven't had a chance to comment either.
Um, so just be aware and that if you were to make a motion, you may want a condition based on that to return with a a plan that may need to be adjusted based on police or fire comment. Um,
it's not just borisman I feel because >> thanks for that clarification mark. Um, so I would >> Barbara, >> yes. >> Can I speak? There is a letter in your packet from fire. Well, it was from the
additional information. >> Okay. >> And he had no issue with it. >> Okay. >> However, there was something from board of health and I it was also with that that you might want to read. >> Okay. Um
I I would feel more comfortable if we had the board of selectment been I I I like Mark's idea of of rescheduling this hearing until next Thursday. Um given that we the the other departments may or may not have had ample time to review particularly the board of selectmen.
This is a very important business in town. I think I would second I think most of us in the community would second Michelle's um sentiments that this is a really important uh part of our community. We want to see it be successful. I don't think we're going to have any objection, but I do think we
need to go through the protocol. So, if anybody else agrees with me, I'd like to make a motion that we reschedule this hearing um for next Thursday, assuming that board of health, fire department, everybody's had a chance to review this, including the board of selectment.
>> Second that. >> Motion is made and it's been seconded. All in favor? >> I. Do we need to take a roll call? Okay, so I Michelle says I. Mark says I. >> No, I abstain. >> You abstain. Okay, so we got Michelle
with an I. We have Jack with an I. Pete with an I. And Barbara I. Motion passes. So next Thursday D. Um I don't I don't want you to take this in any way other than positive. We we we're just going to cross our eyes and dot our tees, but we'll get you finished. We're going to
schedule a special meeting to make sure that uh this gets um handled appropriately for you. Is that going to cause you any issue? >> No. Thank you so much. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. Good luck there. >> Thank you for being so accommodating. Thank you. >> You're welcome.
>> Turn it back over to Mark. >> Thank you, Barbara. >> All right. The next item on our agenda is a site plan review for 149 Bedford Street. Uh, we're going to meet with Zenith Consulting Engineers. I believe Niles is handling that tonight. So, I'm
gonna actually before we get started, Niles, I'm just going to read into the record, I have uh two letters from fire and the police department, which I believe you guys have seen and started to address, but just for the record, I
want to just state those. Uh, from Michael O'Brien, the fire chief. Um, the length of the driveway appears to be in excess of 150 ft. Uh, CMR 527 mandates an approved turnaround for fire
apparatus for all access roads in excess of 150 ft. And uh, Chief Perkins uh, said the only safety concern at this time is uh, the protection of the proposed structure. We have been waiting
for vehicle to crash into this existing structure and are surprised it isn't a common occurrence. I see that the proposed design moves the building further away from the roadway and places retaining wall on the roadway intersection corner. Is this retaining
wall sufficient to stop vehicles prior to striking the building? Uh what about commercial motor vehicle is the only concern I have. Now, I believe that that may be just a misinterpretation of the plan with the retaining wall Niles. He may be looking at the
uh layout of the road on the the lot rather than And so at that point, I'm going to let you take over address those two points and anything else you have with the plan. >> Of course. Uh for the record, Nile Zer from Zen Consulting Engineers uh here before you about 149 Bever Street. Um I
will I will address those as I go through my presentation. Um, so is there any way I can share my screen? >> Go right ahead. >> I wanted to do Sorry. >> Can you see the Can you see the plans? >> Yeah. >> Oh, you can. Okay. All right. Sorry
about that. Did something on that. Um, all right. So, property is located at 149 Bedford Street. Uh, it's map 25, block 4, lot 2. Um, it's located at the intersection of Rhode Island Road, um, and Bedford Street. It's approximately
0.77 acres, about 3/4 of an acre in size, and it's also located in the uh business district. Um there are no wetlands on the property. However, there are um some wetlands to the west and east offsite. Um so there is a 100 foot
buffer zone um that encroaches on the property that we will have to file with conservation for um for the work that we are proposing. Um actually, let me go to the next page. So those wetlands are located
approximately here and across Bedford Street here. So the buffer zone that I speak of is located is here. All right. So everything within this area here is all within the buffer zone. Um
there is currently an existing twostory um residential building on the property here. Um the property is serviced by town water uh and has an existing septic system on the property. Um there is no
the property is not within any flood zones. It's not within any um natural heritage endangered species. Um no ACEC's or anything like that. So there's no other than the buffer zone to the wetlands. There's no other resource areas or any overlay districts that we would be concerned with on this
property. Um, as far as the site layout goes, the proposal, go to the next sheet. So, this is kind of the general uh layout of the property here. So, um, we're proposing a 20 uh 26 by 57 foot
um, uh, office building and it's about,482 square feet. It's going to be proposed further away from the layout than what the existing building is. So, the existing building at its closest point is 1.6 ft from the corner of the layout
here. Uh, we're proposing it at a minimum of 15.1 ft. Um, the only reason why we weren't even to get able to get it further away is because currently um the setbacks in the business district are 40T front, side, and rear. Um, so
currently it meets that setback on this side. So, we cannot encroach on that any further. Um, so we are uh that's what we're held by. So we but again we were able to gain about 13 or 14 feet um and set back off of that layout uh which
obviously improves the situation. Um we are proposing six total uh spaces. One of them going to be handicapped van accessible located here and the other five spaces here. Um all the the aisle that we are
proposing is a 24 foot aisle paved aisle with 30 foot radii uh which meets mass dots uh regulations as far as access onto the property. Um we are also proposing and this is part of the new layout due to the comment from the fire
department that I will address. Um we're proposing a 15 foot wide um gravel extension from the uh 24 foot paved aisle that extends onto Rhode Island Road. So this basically will allow the fire department and any other emergency
vehicle to um access in and out without having to turn around on the property. Um, this will be a do not enter sign on Rhode Island Road and we also are proposing a rumble strip here as well to try to prevent anybody from wanting to um come in and out. But we are we do
have a proposed do not enter sign um right here. Um, there's a dumpster dumpster located here that's going to be on a concrete slab uh and fenced in. for privacy purposes.
Um septic system is located here. You see two of them. One of them that was the reserve area and one the primary area. There were perk tests done and witnessed by the board of health. Um the design will be submitted to the board of health once uh once we um you know address any concerns that the board may
have um and we will submit those for you know definitive plans afterwards to the board of health. Um, we are proposing and I believe there are other gentlemen on and and I'm Maline can also address this but there is a sign proposed. It's
5 1/2 ft by 7 and 1/2t sign proposed right here. Um, we are going into in front of the zoning board of appeals I believe next Thursday um for a special permit because the sign of the size of the sign is a little bit larger than what's allowed by zoning. Um, we are
also going for the special permit with the zoning and board of appeals due to the fact that um, it does not meet the current 40 foot setbacks. Um, although we are making it more conforming than it already is, it still does need to go for a special permit. And again, that's going to be in front of the I believe in
front of the ZBA next Thursday, the was that the 19th. Um, next sheet. So, this is just kind of the general layout of the property. The next sheet kind of gets more into the the details of the grading and the drainage
uh how we're handling storm water. So to keep this pretty simple, basically what we're looking to do um is to basically control all the runoff from the site through these infiltration basins. Um we're controlling up to a 100year storm
event for flow rate. Um everything that everything that gets captured into this catch basin. Um, so it's going to run down this aisle. Um, and then it's going to get into this catch basin, which has what's called a first defense unit. It's a mechanical unit that, um, actually
takes out all the at least 80% of the, um, silts and things of that nature. It's called total suspended solids. Um, and then that is then discharged into the infiltration basin. Um, anything that reaches here will then be either discharged out to where it currently
goes into the wetland or it will overflow o into a 100redyear storm event. If it overreaches a 100redyear storm, it's going to over top this spillway, go into this secondary depression here, and it will go into the catch basin on Masto and Masdot's
layout, which it currently goes now anyway. Um, we do actually have to file with mascot uh, father the curbcut, but we cannot do that as I'm sure most of you are aware until we receive all uh, local approvals including board of health uh, conservation plan board and
zon and board of appeals. So that is something that we will address with them um, at that time. Um, the next sheet is landscaping. Very simple. Uh we're just basically proposing shrubbery around the the front
of the building here or rear of the building or however you want to look at it. Um and some around the uh parking areas here and some trees and we have details for those um as we typically would. Um and then the last but not
least is the erosion control plan. This is more for typically for conservation. Uh would be a little bit more concerned with this, but again I'll I'll go through the a general overview of it. Basically what we've done is um construction entrances. Um we proposed that construction entrance because
obviously it's Bedford Street's a busy road. Road Island Road's a busy road. We want to make sure that debris from many um construction vehicles aren't going to be getting onto Bedford Street. Um so what we do is we propose a rip wrap entrance um that allows for the trucks
tires to um you know to knock off any of the dirt that that is uh that is on their tires. Um, and then we also uh propose sweeping every day or more if needed um within the layout to make sure that there's no safety issues.
Um there's also a dewatering basin uh located here in case water table is is hit during construction. Uh so that's a basin that is is dug and water discharged to if need be. Um this is a
vehicle storage area here for overnight if there's a you know uh construction equipment or what have you that's left on site um that is dictate you know shown here that we can fit that here and then there's also a concrete wash out station as well um in a in a stockpile
area here. Um so basically this is kind of standard for storm water management to just uh to depict where you you know can uh designate these things. Um, and I think that that's actually really about it. I think I've kind of given you
guys a general overview of everything. And I'd be happy then the last sheets on the on the plan set are um just details um which I can go through if you have any questions, but um I'd be happy to answer any questions that anybody in the board has.
>> Barbara, >> um hi there. It's uh so my question has to do I have I have several questions but you know the idea of having these retention ponds right on Route 18. Is there any suggestion for how to make those visibly more attractive because um
you know they're going to look like big holes in the ground and I'm just wondering you know I've seen them done nicely and I've seen them done poorly. Is this just going to be rocks piled in and and and grass and so forth can grow in them? So this so this is going to be
it's going to be a grass uh slopes with a sand bottom. That's what we what we always propose for our infiltration basins. So your side your three to one side slopes uh that go down into the bottom of the basin will be warm and seed and then the bottom will be a sand.
And the reason why we like that one is maintenance issues. Um one it's easier to maintain as far as mowing. Um, but the bottom is after a while, you know, with these first defense units that we're proposing within the catch basin, the idea is for no TSS or silts and
anything to get out there. But if it does over time, then what they can do is they can get in there with a like a mini excavator and they can scrape the bottom and replenish the sand to make sure it's infiltrating the way it should. So that will be the look of the basin.
>> Okay. Um, Niles, what do you have for lighting? We've got a we got a residential home, you know, couple residential homes right here. Um, I mean, there's so many things that are that are concerning to me about this. I'm really I live right near this, so I'm really glad something's going to be done, but it looks like we're doing a
lot on a really small parcel, and I am concerned about the impact to the neighboring home. Can you tell me about your lighting plan? Um, as of right now, all I can see on the plan, and I don't h maybe Maline can speak up on this a little bit more, but all I can see at this point is at the ramp at the doorway
is there's a light proposed at the right here. >> I think that's really about it. There's nothing proposed shining out onto Rhode Island Road or onto Bedford Street or onto any abing uh abuing properties. >> And the parking parking area wouldn't have any lighting there.
>> Yeah, that would be my concern. Um well well there's going to have to be um well we can we can make that a condition of the approval. We can also provide a food and metrics plan if need be. But that's something that we can Maline do you have anything to say on the the lighting that you'd like to talk
about? >> The concern of the parking lighting would impact on the the neighboring house homes. >> Yeah, we we cannot shine any lighting onto the neighboring homes. That's something that when you're looking at lighting is you cannot do that. itself uh without being an issue. So, we we do
not plan on doing that. >> Do you have any um in that buffer zone, is there any um tree line or anything that that would that would give those people some privacy from this development? >> I don't think there's any trees there now. >> No, there's there's no trees. There's
not not really much there. No. >> So, we could always ask for condition on trees to somehow help buffer that a little bit more. Why is it that we so our setback um requirement it's quite a bit more um than we have at
this at this corner intersection. Is there any possibility of moving it? Is have you already look to try to accommodate? There's no way to to get it to fit uh with the setbacks that are required. >> No. Uh here I can uh show you the layout
sheet. So this is the layout sheet. Mhm. >> Um, this is the setback right here. See this dashed line? It kind of comes out this triangle. It's 40 feet all the way around. So, you can see there's really no room there. >> But we all I can say is that we're making it substantially better than what
it is. >> So, I mean, and that's something again that's more for the planning. I mean, more for the zoning board to to determine as far as, you know, uh, whether or not it meets their, you know, the the within the neighborhood and all that. So, um, we feel as though what
we're making, what we're doing is much better than what's there currently. >> Okay. Um, as far as the as far as the excess road that you're talking about with the gravel driveway, um, and the signage, would you guys consider something a little bit more um,
pronounced, maybe like a gate, something like that? because I drive that road every single day and I can completely see people taking that right-hand turn going through there and getting over getting, you know, to bypass the traffic. >> And honestly, Barbara, if I may,
>> yeah. >> Um, I know the board of selectmen has already said that there should be no access from Rhode Island Road. So, I would would honestly question whether
they would even allow um an emergency access from Rhode Island Road from what they said at their meeting on Monday. >> Okay. Thank you, Michelle. >> It's not from Rhode Island Road. It's it's to Rhode Island Road. It's not from Rhode Island Road. Um so, let's make that clear. It's the the It's on It's
just so that the fire department has a way to back up. I mean, a way to to to get off the site safely. So, it's not nobody can ever turn nobody's supposed to do not enter sign on there. And we've also provided a rumble strip as well. Um, they c nobody can turn on from Rhode
Island Road onto the property. >> But they will. I'm just I I really I I I go there. I go I'm at that intersection every day and it's a long wait and sometimes during traffic, heavy traffic times in the morning, you can't get out. So, I can completely see commuters
especially taking that shortcut and getting themselves onto Bedford Street. It just seems like it would uh complicate matters to have that entrance there. So, I'm glad that the board of selectmen were concerned about that as well. >> Does anybody else have comments? >> Yeah, >> I do.
Niles, I spoke to Jamie earlier today about this and is there any way to make that a less less appealing I I understand that it's an emergency exit, but I do feel like it it does open a can of worms having it
that it is a clear access whether it's in or out. And I do think that uh once it's there, unless it's blocked, it will be used. So, you know, it's only supposed to be
used for a fire truck or emergency vehicle to exit. And I do feel like uh it should be limited to that, whether it's through a a gate or a chain or something.
Um, I mean, I can I I mean I can speak with I can speak with my client regarding that. Um, and and Maline, if you have anything to say on it, >> that's that would be fine, Niles. That would be fine. We could do we could accommodate something. Um, >> a chain a chain something like that.
>> Can you have a uh a a gate or a bar across it that would be electronically activated for vehicles coming out >> manually opened when >> electronically? you, you know, a motion to check. >> Everybody stop. Only one person at a time. We're not going to put him have
them put an electric gate, but if we can put a gate, you're going to help pay for the gate. Jack, >> I'm just just raising the question mark. >> So, this only needs to be accessed if the fire department shows up. So, there's no reason to force them to put
electronics on that. It's only if they had to get the truck out and it can't back out the driveway and back onto Route 18. So, they're in a pinch. We want them to gain access by pulling a pin out of a gate, swing the gate open, and have the truck leave after the false
alarm or for whatever reason. But we also do not want that access to be left open for, as Barbara said, people to be sitting at that light saying, "Ah, gosh darn it. I want to just go right at the light and there's two cars in front of me and they they want to turn left and they can't go. I'm cutting through,
>> right? >> And then they do that regularly and then people are going to come the other way and they'll be cutting across a lane of traffic at 79 and disrupting traffic if that's just left open as an access. So I think it's imperative that it be blocked somehow. Um so I would like you
to, you know, between you guys at Zenith and Meline come up with something that you can put on the plan. I'd like it to be somewhat appealing looking. I don't want it to be a big ugly chain link type of thing, single barred rail or something or >> okay,
>> double hinge that's just simple. It should be closed at all times. And the fire department, it was suggested to me by somebody that if you could put an oxbox on it >> that the fire department has access to a key. All commercial buildings need an oxbox and they lock your key inside
outside of your building. So if they show up for a fire alarm at night, the key >> they can get >> the door is in that box to the building and only the fire department has keys to those knock boxes. So if something like that went on the fence or the gate and they could open it and get through
>> and person that would open that gate. So I I think that that would be a reasonable solution to guarantee that the fire department only has access. they can clearly get through whenever they need to and it wouldn't be abused by other people. >> Yep. Thank you.
>> So, I'm being told by by the applicant and my client that that's absolutely reasonable and we would absolutely add that to the plan. So, that's not a problem at all. >> Okay. Um Meline, are you going to put any outside lighting in the parking area?
>> Whatever is necessary um for the code, I would imagine. I I haven't got the plans yet for electrical, so I don't really know. >> There is no code, as much as Lakeville has a a strict lighting bylaw, which
Niles is very familiar with, that all the lights have to be down lamps facing to the ground, we just don't want it to be such daytime with that residential property next door, >> right? Uh if we were to approve based on these
plans, we would have to condition strictly that it meet the requirements of the Lakeville lighting bylaw. Um so I would strongly suggest and there are companies that lighting companies that
will do it for almost no cost as long as you buy the lights from them. >> Okay. >> Yep. That's fine. >> Electrician, I would recommend talk to an electrician. see if he can get you a lighting plan. All you need to do is send him this document and they'll work it out and sell you some lights and we
can see what they're going to do. They'll show the lumens all over the plan so that >> they'll prove with that plan that lights won't go into the neighboring property or onto the kind of important because it's such a narrow property. You have
roadway and residential on either side. So, we'd really like to see something so your patrons are safe at night and as well as it complies with the Lakeville lighting bylaw. >> That would be that would be fine. Would that be something that could be perhaps a condition if if you were to approve
this tonight? Could that be a condition? >> I would say yeah, I mean, we could condition something to make it meet that, but we would like a copy of the lighting plan. >> Absolutely. Uh so
do you want to speak at all to the police department comments Niles with that corner? >> Yeah. So so they did mention so they talked about a retaining wall. Again the retaining there is no retaining wall. I think it might be just a kind of a misread of the plan. I believe that
probably what they're looking at is the um the layout because it is a thicker line. Um so we are not proposing anything in at that time at this time. Um we again I think the biggest proposal is the fact that we're pulling the building away um by over 15 feet or
around 15 feet um to create more of a buffer there. um you know and the fact that nothing nothing has hit the building in I don't know how many year 40 years or whatever it is >> um kind of shows that I get that it is close and I get that it is um you know
it is an issue but it hasn't proven itself an issue at this point. So >> um >> I just wanted to have this public discussion because I think you know that was something that I talked to Jamie about earlier today because of the concerns and possibly a guardrail. I think if you put a guardrail there, it
creates more of a chance of impact from a vehicle that maybe even cut a turn tight or a truck to trailer trying to round that turn coming from 79 and taking a right to go south on 18. So, I think with you guys moving the building
back and it being flat level ground, I think that would be the safest condition. Would you not agree? >> I definitely agree. >> Okay. Does any other board member have a specific comment based on that safety? >> No.
>> All right. Um Mark, can I ask a question? >> Go ahead, Peter. >> Um without revealing the uh eventual business here, you feel this five parking spaces is enough, >> Matteline?
>> Yes, I I do. It's the business that um I would be proposing to put there is my existing real estate business which currently um most of my business is done remotely. We don't have a lot of traffic coming in and out. It's more somebody's
stopping by dropping off a purchase and sale agreement. Um you know perhaps having a a closing there once in a while but you know two or three cars at at the most. We have one secretary per day. So, personally, I don't think that it would be um you know, I think it would be
appropriate and enough. >> Okay. Um so, Niles, on the the gravel exit with the gate, uh was there discussion today with between you guys at Zenith and the fire
chief or has he commented on that? Uh he well so I know he definitely agrees with the access the 15 foot access is what he would like to see. >> So okay so >> that's all that's all that I'm aware of that was was spoken about. Jamie actually had the conversation.
>> Has he seen this plan? >> Uh not that I'm aware of but I Jamie may have shown it to him. Jamie's on another meeting right now so I can't ask him but >> yeah. Well I just if we did approval I still want a condition based on that. I don't want to approve something in the fire department. you know, Michael Bryan
say, "Well, it's I want it at this angle or that angle." And, you know, we want a plan that's accurate based on their comments. So, >> no. Nor do we want to put something out there that he's not comfortable with. So, we we completely agree with that. >> Um, did the board of health approve of
everything you're trying to do there for septic? And >> well, no, we haven't actually submitted to the board of health yet, but we did get the perk tests out there. That's always the the biggest thing. I mean, other than that, it's really just going through the fine details of the, you know, of the septic, but there's really there's nothing there's no no big deals
here in my opinion. It's very pretty straightforward septic design. >> All right. So, does anyone else have any comments from the board? Barbara, >> the rendering of the building, if if Niles can switch the screen, if that's
possible. I don't know if I have one. >> We can see what it'll look like. It's going to be a two-story building. >> Uh, no. >> One-story building, >> I believe. So, hold on. >> Okay. And while you're looking for that, Mark, my second question, and I don't know your thoughts or anybody else's
thoughts on this, but I'm just really hung up about these retention um p these retention locations. And you know, would they be safer with I don't we don't have a tree buffer. We don't have we don't have anything to
stop a car from driving right into that. Um so because it's right on Route 18. Is that something is that something that when you apply to mass dot for your curb cut that that would be reviewed by them as well, Niles? Because that's kind of in the layout of the road as well.
>> That's correct. It it definitely will. Um we uh we're actually utilizing um some of their drainage currently and they actually have an easement on our property. Um let me see. Uh let's go to
zoom in here a little bit with me. So there's an existing easement here that there. So you can see this is a catch basin here that runs down and it discharges out into a ditch that then eventually discharges into this wetland.
This area here is all an easement that they own and we're working within. Um and they actually have a low area here now. So this already drops off from the road by about four feet, four to five feet in elevation um existing. So it's
not really going to change. It's just going to it's just going to define that area. >> Niles, the type of uh drainage that you're that you're talking about, that's actually going to be an improvement, I would imagine, from the runoff that's happening from Route 18. >> Oh, 100%. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We're actually going to be
capturing. We're going to create less water going out, which I'm sure Masbot will be very pleased with. >> Okay. >> Um, you know, we're going to create less water going out into their into their area. So, >> um, can you see the, um, the architecturals?
>> Yes. Thank you so much. >> No problem. No problem. And I'm sorry. I didn't know I had them in front of me. So um so as you can see um this is the front elevation uh the rear elevation here uh so the left elevation and the right
elevation so it's it's pretty much a standard you know is nothing you said it was one story >> um I believe so that's what our parking calculations are uh accounted for Natalie can you address that
>> um I plan on having a um full set of stairs going to a second floor which will be unfinished for storage because I'm not having a basement. >> Okay. >> So, this is the first floor plan. You have two offices here, two baths.
Then the second floor, I think this is this is an error, correct, Maline? The office three and office four. >> Yes. I'm I'm not planning on having offices up there. It's just for storage. >> And you got a slab on grade
and then just some framing stuff. So yeah, that's this is kind of the more the you know what we're looking at here. >> Were the butters invited to this? I just want to make sure if there's anybody in here for public comment that that we would they have been notified.
>> I don't know if that's required for this hearing or not. >> I don't know the answer to that. >> No. >> Okay. >> I don't believe as part of the site >> the zoning board. >> Skip is the neighbor that I know that
we've talked and he knows what my plans are. Um and he's in favor of them based on my conversations with him. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Um so
the planning board is not the special permit granting authority for the sign and I know you're here on behalf of Meline for the sign. Uh would you like to speak at all to the sign? >> Is he muted?
>> Sure. Um I plan on having um in addition to my real estate business, which I've been in the real estate business for 30 years in the in the community, to relocate my office here, but also to um have a digital marketing um and
promotion agency. And Liam Conway, who is deeprooted in the community as well, is going to be my partner. um he has a graduate degree from um college in marketing. So we plan on having a marketing um company called Exposure
Marketing Group LLC, which I have a federal ID number for. And the sign itself is really what the um business is going to be about. I we could actually do the business from a remote location. Um but I didn't think I would get an
approval for just having a sign on the property. So, I'm going through this to put up a building, um, house my real estate, and to do my, um, new proposed business from this location. The, um,
gentleman that's here with us tonight, David Quinn and Bob Messier, they are from, um, the sign company, and it is, you know, a top uh, state-of-the-art digital sign. um they could speak more
to it to you about that if you would like to have more information regarding the sign itself, but that is the crux of my business and that's what I need to have an approval on to go forward with this plan. >> Would any board members like to hear
anything else about the sign from Mr. Quinn? >> Can we see a picture? Do they know what what they're do we have a draft? >> There is. >> I'd like to uh I'd like to hear more about it. This is the first I've heard that this was a digital sign. Um like what it will do,
>> how bright it'll be. >> There is this is David. Uh there is a design I saw Nile's plans there. I'm not sure Niles if you can scroll back to that. >> Yeah, >> in the details pages on the next to last sheet we have right.
>> Just bear with me. >> Right there. >> Yes. >> Right. Yep. >> So, the top portion there would just be a static sign with the street address illuminated. The bottom portion is the
digital display portion of the sign that Maline was referring to. >> Are I mean, have you looked at the general bylaws for signage under general sign prohibitions on 6.6.2? It states that we can't have animate any
signs any part of which moves, flashes or incorporates traveling or animated lights and all beacons and flashing devices whether part of attached are strictly prohibited. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. It also talks about potential to create
a traffic hazard. it. I mean, I'm sorry. I I should say that when I look at the bylaw, it says, "No elimination shall be permitted which cast glare onto any residential premises or onto any portion of a way so as to create a traffic hazard." Okay, maybe
that doesn't. >> And this is very close proximity to a very dangerous intersection. So a flashing sign that close um it does not sound conducive of you know creating a safe
environment. >> So it's it's not a flashing sign. It'll be static for a certain time frame and then the new advertisement will switch over similar to the others that are in town no longer 18 there. >> So it's not lit up.
>> It is lit up. Correct. It's not flashing though. >> It's a big lighted sign right next to the intersection. >> So, I assume the sign is going to be rotating pictures of homes that are for sale. Is that what it does? >> That will be part of it. Yes.
>> Okay. So, as I said before, we're not the special permitting special permit granting authority for that sign, but it's nice to see it, nice to talk about it. Uh, so we'll leave that up to zoning board of appeals, but thank you for that, Mr. >> Thank you.
Um, so Barbara, earlier you touched on a privacy buffer between the new structure >> and the neighboring residential property. >> Um, >> I would definitely like to see that be a
condition of approval for sure. you talking a row of white pines? >> I you know I'd like somebody with a more knowledge on trees and that kind of thing to suggest something. I I can't recommend what what to do, but I would like the goal I think Mark in my mind
would be to just provide the neighbors with some buffer from the commercial activity that's happening next door and to m help us maintain the rural character of our community. I don't know. That's kind of where my thought my mind goes on there.
>> Niles, we've done before with you guys. Uh I'm trying to think of the Bella's Way had a privacy buffer between one of the new house lots and a neighbor in the front where we conditioned for evergreens. um
giving you an opportunity to give input to this um staggered evergreen trees every so many feet for the first 100 feet along that property line from you know we don't want to block uh line of
vision from driveways you know you'd have to be back at least 10 or 15 feet from the edge of road >> of course >> and then uh staggered evergreens back to a reasonable distance that gives the neighboring residential parcel some
privacy. >> As long as as long as my client is okay with it, typically about every 8 ft staggered um you know back aboutund I I would say about 150 ft or so that will get them past the the back of the house um that that's currently there. So
you've got the this is the outline of the existing residential structure here. So, um, you know, if we could get it back to at least like the parking spaces >> here, I think that that's about, if I were to guess, it's about 150 ft or so.
>> Um, somewhere in that range. >> Yeah, that looks good. >> That's fine, Nile. >> You're okay with that, Maline? >> Yep. That's fine. >> Okay. So yeah, my recommendation would, you know, my I think what we'd be, you know, amendable to is every eight feet staggered um any some sort of an
evergreen um starting about I would say 5T off of the layout. That'll give about 10 12 to 15 feet off of the edge of pavement to make sure there's no issues with sight distance uh when somebody's looking to pull out for an emergency vehicle.
>> Yeah, I the trees are going to grow. I would even air you could go a few feet back from that and give it to them on the tail end for the backyard. >> Of course. I Yes, absolutely. As long as the board is amendable to that. I'd rather pull it further away. So, >> yeah. I mean, it's I'd rather not have
It's going to have to grow and it would grow into the layout of the road or into that line of sight. And again, I mean, not that their privacy is not important, and if they sold the house, it would be kind of a it might be an unappealing thing for a neighbor that may not want to have the the lights or whatever from
night. Uh, but their front yard is usually a less private area and the backyard would be more private. So, I would say again maybe 10 feet off the layout of the road to the first trunk and give us 150 feet from there.
>> Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. So, we have called a meeting for next week to to continue our last hearing. I'm really not comfortable with the fire department thing until we hear back from
Michael O'Brien about the gate because I just I want to hear from him regarding the knockbox knockbox in a key and to make sure that he's all right with that condition. Um so I'd like to at the applicant's
approval and request to continue this hearing until next Thursday. And I know you guys will be at the ZBA, but at least we hear back from the fire department. You're still pending a lot of other approvals. Uh, and with the conditions we talked about tonight, um,
I think we're pretty much there, but like I say, I just don't feel comfortable. >> Okay. >> I did just confirm uh that we have not received any uh feedback from the fire department tonight with regards to the um to the gate or anything of that
nature. So, uh, we will receive I'm sure we will be speaking with them within the next before the next meeting for sure and we will get confirmation on that and if there's any issues we'll deal with it. >> All right. And and feel free to communicate with me or Kathy. Kathy, go ahead. You have your hand up. >> Um, could I suggest maybe having this
meeting at 6:30 so then if these issues are resolved when they go into the ZBA hearing, they there won't be continued issues. Do you know what I'm saying? >> Thank you, Kathy. Yeah, I think that would be fine. Can everybody attend next Thursday at 6:30 instead of at seven?
>> Yep. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Kathy, be because we've now got two hearings there. Could you and I'm fine with either order. I think they'll be relatively quick uh because we've pretty much gone through the process and it's
just a matter of hearing back on this one and hearing from the other boards on the other hearing. Um, like I said, this could be first, but you'll get it posted through Lake Cam for us. >> Yep. >> Okay. All right. So, I'd like to make a motion to continue the hearing for 149
Bedford Street until Thursday, November 19th at 6:30. Second. >> I have a motion and a second. I second,
>> Michelle. >> I >> So motion I I vote I. Motion carries unanimously to continue the hearing. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Barbara, could you take over for a few minutes? I'm going to log out and log back in because I'm having trouble on my
end with my uh >> You bet. So, the next item on the agenda is going to be discussing the um Ledgewood Estates. >> Oh, there we are. >> project. You better now. >> I must have minimized the screen and not
know I did it. So, um yeah, I >> Back to you, Mark. >> Sorry about that. >> Not at all. >> Uh so, yeah, next on the agenda is Ledgewood Estates. I spoke with Paul Turner earlier. I believe we have him here. >> Yep. >> Uh how you doing, Paul?
>> Hi. Um, so we got feedback from town council. They did request that we have a peerreview engineer do a final walk through on the conditions. Um, we got a price from that peer review uh engineer that the town's working with right now.
Um, and he also has requested the original original drainage calculations that the design was done off. Do you think that's something that you have a copy of or you could get from Outback? >> Absolutely. Okay. Um, the cost that he
has given us as an estimate is $3,000. So, is that something you can write a check for? Get that done? >> Yeah, no problem. >> Okay. >> Excuse me, Mark. Um, was there an
additional fee for expenses, travel? >> We can include that. H for >> uh on his estimate he includes the figure you mentioned and then he says um an additional $200 in expenses for travel.
>> Oh, I didn't I must have overlooked that. >> Yeah. >> So, Paul, is that is that a big deal? >> 3,200. >> Yep. >> All right. So, basically that'll mark the closing out of Ledgewood Estates.
They'll do that and obviously if there's an issue we'll have to address it with you. >> Okay. >> Looks like you did a real good job. So I don't anticipate that. Um so if you could get a check to the town hall, Kathy, would you take care of that to get it into whatever house account they
do? >> Sure. Um now this has that you've signed it. Have you signed the original quote or is that all set? >> No, >> he just got it. Oh, >> okay. Because do you want Do you want to are you want going to drop that by or
just how I'm not sure how that works? You know what I'm saying? >> So, you're going to sign this quote from Environmental Partners and then are you going to send that to them or what's the procedure on that? >> Yeah, I think we can communicate with
Scott through email to say that the applicant has approved your work and he's dropping off a check at the town hall. Once we receive it, the we'll notify you to commence commence the inspection process. >> So, and you're going to sign this also and then get that to him.
>> Sure. >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion for myself to be able to sign that. So, all members don't need to sign the proposal. >> I'll make a motion to that effect. >> Second.
>> All right. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I >> I >> and myself everybody voted I motion carried unanimously. So I will take care of that uh signature on the proposal and
Paul when you get a chance you drop a check off and it'll get it done as soon as possible. >> No problem. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Appreciate you coming in. >> Thank you. >> Uh that's the bulk of our work. Um I I want
to jump ahead to number seven on tonight's agenda. Uh the 43D committee. So has everybody seen the plans electronically for that project at the Lakeville Hospital? >> Yep. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Basically, right now the 43D committee needs to approve the application and deem it complete. So this is the planning board's last chance. if there is any other documentation that is missing that we
would require and I'm not saying anything right or wrong is is there any other documentation that we want them to supply >> Mark I sent you the sound study um I just want to make sure that that was included on the permitting probably
perhaps I should direct that question to Michelle >> do we have a sound study >> they they are doing that Michelle I'm not sure the actual engineers name or the firm that's doing the sound study. It was mentioned >> late yesterday on the phone call we had. >> Yep.
>> Uh so yeah, >> a peer review of the noise going on. >> Yep. >> Um but again, that's not part of the completeness of the application. So the completeness of the application would be one of the things that uh environmental
partners noticed was there was not a set of working architectural plans. So we we requested that it may not be in for the first public hearing. It will be in by the time that we're looking at architectural features for the density
bonus because they are over the 50% lot coverage. So we will get that but we're trying to keep the process moving for the 180 days. So that was requested. If there's again, if anybody's re reviewed the documents and anything is missing,
now's the time to ask for them or we need to deem that package complete. So, I guess I'm going to let somebody either make a motion to let me tell them that the package is
complete for the planning board or you need to tell me what else we want in it. And again, uh, Environmental Partners did a very thorough, uh, going through of all of the documentation. They did request some stuff and I would say that the package is complete.
>> On that basis, I'll make a motion that the package has been complete and to accept. >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Barbara? >> I I, >> Jack, Michelle, and myself, all vote I. Motion carries unanimously. So at the
next 43D committee I will deem the package complete for the planning board and that will the other concom board of health need to do the same thing. I'm not sure if they meet between now and then. Uh
but uh once those are done that starts the process and the time clock for the 180 days. And I think that we still we already have our first hearing scheduled. That's something else I wanted to mention too. The schedule I believe changed and I don't know if you
guys got it since the last meeting, but it's there's the conflict now with ZBA that it will be Thursdays instead of Wednesdays and it is the first and the third Thursdays, not everyone, but depending on when the hearing needed to be posted.
So, we may meet we may meet three Thursdays in a month between regular planning board and uh the uh Lakeville Hospital property public hearings which will be ongoing. Uh and Kathy, um I was told because I know you
had concerns about the overlap and that's going to be quite a bit of work. Um they said that they had brought somebody into the town hall to do some minutes. So, he he and Rich were talking about getting um Michelle, you could probably help. Who's the girl? >> Yeah, Colleen Leeb. I'm not sure if I
said her last name correctly, but she is going to be doing the minutes for the public hearings >> just for the hospital property. So, you won't have to do those because if you can't be present for ZBA. >> Well, actually, I was going to ask the ZBA that if they want if they might want to change their meetings for those dates
because, you know, some of those members might want to attend. And I know John's actually on the committee. I know he's not a voting member, but so I was just going to run it by them and and see how they felt about it next week. >> And we would certainly welcome you being there for the meetings, but we just
didn't want to create a conflict that wasn't addressed. And it I know you do better with the minutes when you're present. >> Yeah, they do. >> So, like I say, I was just looking for relief from you if you can't be there. There is a backup, so you don't have Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, like I said, I'll run it by them and see how they
feel about it. So, >> okay. Um, Michelle, do you have anything else for the 43D as the permits coordinator that we want to make any announcements tonight >> or updates? >> Um, I think you covered most of it. you
know, the we have a meeting next Wednesday that's going to be the final meeting of the 43D committee and then it's going to break up into the public hearings and um all of the boards will be jointly attending. Um, I do plan on
uh having agendas for those hearings that each of the boards can use because every board that attends is going to have to post their own agenda for the meeting if they're attending and plan on speaking. So, um, that's my plan going
forward. Um, I know, you know, it's a tenative schedule right now. Um, so the only one that we have set in stone is the December 3rd so far. >> Okay. >> Um, Paul Turner, are you still here and
present? >> He's muted. >> Yeah, I don't know if he's listening. I was just Paul, are you there? >> Hi. Yes. Hi. >> Um, I I don't want to get into the public discussion of it, but I know you're in a butter out there at the Lakeville Hospital property. Are you
going to attend any of those uh hearings? >> Yes, I am. >> Good. Good. I would have a lot of concern about the noise on the back of that property and I I want you to know as the planning board, we are concerned about that. Uh and then we would love to hear your voice when it come time.
>> Thank you. Sure. I will. Yep. >> Thank you. Um so, next item on the agenda. Um, I'm going to jump back to the master plan implementation. We the fee schedule and is that what you sent? Uh, you had
kind of sent some stuff today, Barbara. It was fee related. >> Yeah. So, um, we talked about last week, um, Michelle and I worked on a project where we just tried to do a kind of a comparison by town of what their fee structures were. So, we've started out this kind of monster document that has,
you know, by category of what our fees are. Um, and if you all take a look at it, I I didn't have time to make that document printable. Um, I'll work on it when we do our next pass. But the idea was that we we provided you with um I think it was eight different towns. Some
are surrounding towns, some are a little bit further away. So, there's eight towns to compare us with. And I included the um not I, we included the median sales price for those areas. So you could do a comparison um based on, you
know, kind of what the what the costs of the homes are, which I think is a direct reflection on on on profit margins, right? And then we listed out on the left side uh the categories of fees that that um would be utilized and we just
kind of start to compare. I I was very surprised at what I learned. Michelle, were you? >> Yeah, I thought it was it was very interesting. And some towns have so much more um >> you know fees set for certain things,
certain items and I think it it probably uh reduces confusion as to you know how to charge certain um projects I guess. >> Yeah. The other thing too is when I did speak with um a couple of towns um I did tell them what we were doing and I think
it would be appropriate to share at least with a couple of communities that did provide us information directly like Middbor and Carver um because it's helpful for them to know too what our fees are and and what surrounding areas are charging. So it can't hurt to share
that information if if I have the board's approval once we get there because this is a draft. >> Yeah. Um, did you share the draft with us already? Am I missing it or >> No, it came by email late today. Um, so there's there's there's four documents
in the email. The first one is a large um Excel spreadsheet. Again, it's not printable format. Next time I do a next generation, I'll make it printable. Um, and then there's three supporting document, three supporting documentations which are just printouts from other towns. mostly because I
couldn't fit the notes into the grid without making it really really huge. So, I just included those attachments for review. >> And I think >> Michelle, am I getting that right? Did I Did we add anything else or was that it? >> I think that was it.
>> Okay. So, Kathy sent that out late this afternoon. My suggestion, Mark, would be um it's a pretty big piece of information. I would put it on our list to review um maybe not for next week, but for the following meeting um for us to just have a
discussion about what we what what each of us reviewed in that grid. And you know, do we have thoughts or recommendations on changing our fee structures for any of these items based on what other towns are doing? >> Yeah. Okay. Uh, good point. Um, so Kathy,
um, our meeting next week at 6:30, the only three items on the agenda are going to be the Corona virus thing, 202 Maine and 149 Bedford.
The two continuations we had tonight, we're not going to do any other new business or old business. So, nothing that comes in. We'll just keep that a brief meeting. There's nothing that's do we have anything in the pipeline like an N uh ANR or anything? Okay. So, yeah,
just next Thursday's meeting will only be the continuation of 202 Maine in 149 Bedford and I'll read in the Corona virus thing. >> I know you I was like, what? What are we doing on the Corona virus? Always >> item number one on the agenda. So,
>> right. Um, and you want 149 Bedford first or >> uh, it really doesn't matter relatively quick if we get the information back from the respective boards during the week and >> that stuff just get it to us so we >> y >> it'll help us to make the decision
>> more quickly or whatever. >> Okay. Um, and then, uh, to Barbara's point, the the four pages that she emailed this afternoon, put those on the agenda for our following meeting in December
>> for the 10th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And just ask everybody to try to have a chance to review that before that meeting so that we have some discussion points and um, and feedback on what we can do. And if I can get it printable before then, I'll send it to Kathy to
share with everybody. I'm sure I'll I'm sure I'll find time to do that. >> All right. Um, so we're going to move on from master plan implementation. That's on the agenda for December 10th. Um, the development opportunities district
update. I know that uh Michelle you did a little bit of leg work with a plan and some radiuses around the highway ramps and actually I I noticed also Barbara and I thought that's what you're talking about but the first document that you sent today that's all I read earlier in
the day was it had priority development districts. >> Yes. So, actually Michelle did a nice job because she took that I just took a picture of the document from the master plan, but Michelle actually put them side by side, which I like that format
better because it's easier to kind of compare. Um, but I just thought if we were going to talk about these districts, we should probably give some consideration to those priority areas. So my thoughts, our original discussion when Michelle did that nice job of putting the
radiuses around the highway ramps and look at our document today that just >> um took the paper the page out of the master plan showing >> the priority development districts, >> right? >> And the other districts that are priority
for open space to save, >> correct? And I noticed that the three priority development districts were all relatively close proximity to the two highway ramps off 495. >> And now I'm wondering, does it make sense to try and amend the development
dis opportunities district to just encompass those three parcels? >> I like it. Yeah. because it's kind of like when Zinc had u done the marijuana
bylaw >> to encompass the certain addresses within two industrial parks that he wanted to cover. I feel like the leg work would be done by describing those three properties. >> Yep. >> And that's priority development. And if
if we want to amend it in the future, >> we can parcel somewhere else. But at least we know we're only going to deal with development opportunities district on the priority development sites. >> Yes. Um so
that then creates the next task of create that language to describe those three parcels which would be the hospital property which is it's bigger than just itself but it's it looks like it's getting developed now but we it's included. Um
there was the piece north of Kenneth Welch Drive labeled I think Ocean Spray and something else. And then uh you have the document right there. What was the other one, Barbara? >> Uh the other one was um well,
we have the Ocean Spray Great Pond expansion area. We have the hospital redevelopment area. And are you thinking Well, the other one's Harding Street. That's not I don't know that that's going to be the right area. >> Yeah, I think that was >> You're not looking Are you looking down
at Rocky Woods? >> No. No, >> you're you're still on the north side of town. >> Yep. All three are right across the north side. Those three red ones. >> Yeah. So then that's that's basically those as it's flagged on this forum mark. It's it's actually two. It's the Ocean Spray and Great Pond expansion
area and the State Hospital redevelopment area because the Harding Street development area um that's already spoken for and I don't know if I mean that I guess that could be a third one.
Yeah. So, the getting Rocky Woods, >> there's the piece off 140 called Rocky Woods, I think it's called. >> Yep, that's down here further low. That's the one I was asking about. The Rocky Woods
down here. >> Yeah, that I think that that one could be, but I I see Open Space has it as a protected area, >> right? um that is within a certain distance of the
highway. There's a ramp right there. That one has potential. >> We also have this one here which is this is where if you think of Star Mark uh Star Drive-In, >> it's right around here. That would be the another area where we had a circle, >> right, Michelle? There you put a circle right there.
>> Yes. >> Over by the Star Drive. >> Yep. >> That one doesn't have any. We have the cedar swap sweeter cedar swamp head headlands there, but it's a little bit of a distance. >> Yeah. But that's that's all, you know, I I don't think we want to try and take all of the open space priority
>> uh important habitat and try to develop it commercially. >> No, no, no, no. >> Want to avoid that. >> That cedar swamp headland headwaters stuff, >> that should all be protected. But the one parcel closest to the highway, there's a small chunk, not all three of
those. >> Yep. >> We could include that parcel if we wanted to as kind of and and and I guess I feel like we should ask for some feedback. If we're going to have a public hearing to do that, ask feedback about those pieces. Maybe notify a Butters.
>> What about if um can What about if Kathy was to send a memo to um you know, conservation? I I mean I would and economic development to ask them if they had any questions. I mean that highway entrance on 140 is really really
important. And also remember we're going to have the train going through there. So that is a prime development location where the star market is right there on that corner. >> Yeah. And it appears that Berkeley is
they're they're doing some development over there on their side of the road. >> Yeah. I don't think that uh it's something that we should not we should ignore. We should not ignore it from a development standpoint. >> So if we were to add another one in that would be the best location in my opinion
for us. It's already it's already a welltraveled well doumented area that I think you could put business I don't know I don't know what business would want to go in there but better there where it's at the corner of town and you don't have a lot of traffic
coming through the community you We'll have to look at that one. Um, so I guess no, I'm going to say no, we shouldn't do that one. But closer to the highway, what that is is
that's that open field. Isn't that where the Is it Wouldn't that be where the uh they have the RV park? >> I believe that's the other side of it. >> So, the Cedar Swab Headlands is in
between. So, there's a gas station and the RV park there, right? No, those are up. Those are must be in Berkeley on Berkeley town lines. This is this is across this is Lakeville border. I see. Okay. Yeah, these are back. The the that's not
the town line is not 79, >> right? Exactly. >> That's what's confusing me. >> 79. That's what we need to be careful of is we're not >> Yeah. >> So, there's nothing really there that we can I don't really see anything there that we could really work with.
>> No. But I think that the great pawns expansion is an option. >> Yep. And now are you considering um more the the larger radius the one mile or are
you looking at the um half mile? >> Well, I think I'm trying to look at existing property that's available close to other like that the piece I just mentioned the ocean spray and great ponds expansion. >> That's right next to the Kenneth Welch
industrial park, the Great Ponds Industrial Park. Uh there's not much else around there. Uh there is a little bit of there are some condos a little further up I think middle borrow a but >> I don't think that would be negatively impactful to neighborhoods
adjacent to existing development and it's right on route 18 close to a highway ramp not just focusing on a circle but it is near or very close to the radius of one of those circles on route 18 495 ramps.
Uh, I mean you we could do the apply the circle, but that's going to encompass a lot of like either residential or existing business >> that we're really not trying to redevelop. We'd rather have undeveloped
properties that I think are ideal for development. And so that goes to the point of that whole discussion. We don't want to take uh something that conservation has a restriction on and try to deem it priority development for commercial use.
>> Which could have been some of that Cedar Swamp Headarters property we were just talking about. You know, we want to leave those things protected. So, there is a there's a large industrial parcel um Pete might remember it better because we were talking about
reszoning it at one time that is probably within the halfmile radius of the 140 intersection with 79. And so there's that one parcel that I imagine is probably Star Drive in and the parcel next to it maybe that one
that we were talking about I think and then the parcel on the other side of that one I think is where I think that's uh they're a septic pumping company but they also do uh I think they grow cattle or something grow beef. >> Oh yeah
>> at Bay State Disposal. >> Yeah Bay State Disposal. So if you look at that, I think if you combine those three large parcels right there, that might be something that could you could do with it. As long as you kept it on that side of the highway and didn't get on the other side, you wouldn't impact conservation's
>> Cedar Swamp. >> Those were actually zoned business and we tried to because there was so much residential, we tried to change it back to just residential. um if you recall and uh we almost did, but there was a um
a resident that his his his house was in there and he wasn't quite sure he wanted to switch it out of business. >> Uh and we withdrew um we withdrew changing it because of that. We didn't want to, you know, change somebody's um status even if they live in a house in a
residential area. Yeah. And obviously there were businesses and they would have just stayed um their businesses. You know, they had >> I believe based on that zoning map that's industrial B, >> correct? Industrial B is what I meant.
Sorry. >> Um yeah, because you can't change the zoning on somebody's property if they disagree with it. >> Exc That's right. Um, >> I'm just thinking down the road, Mark,
um, future use, if if those properties were to ever change hands, they might be they might be a location in town that you could do something with. >> Yep. >> Well, I mean, we certainly could add that, but
we don't have to add a lot. I mean, that was one of the things I think we were looking for was some control over the development opportunities district. >> We could just say, let's do it just for now at the Great Ponds expansion site and the Ocean Spray.
So, that that would be the one spot that we'd have to look for. It's at the most ideal for highway ramps. And then if that one gets developed, then we amend the bylaw to create the next one that we want to be developed. I like that idea.
>> It gives us the control over what parcel would be open to that, you know, subject to those loose parameters of development opportunities, but it's where we want it and we don't make it a blanket over the town by changing the bylaw to read that
the description of that property in red. >> So now you mentioned next steps, Mark. Um, in regards to coming up with language for um these, >> yeah, we have to amend bylaw >> and then amending the bylaw, which would
have to bring to town meeting in the spring. >> Yeah, first we need a public hearing. Uh, but I think, you know, we we can do some homework so we get some language put together. Um, if you looked at
just using the most recent amendment to the the marijuana recreational use overlay >> to get a a feel for how it was done. Um, and then try to plug in the language for
the development opportunities district to create this zone for a development opportunities district specifically to that parcel we're talking about. Um, and I'm not sure if I know that the citizen planner training has an amended
bylaw workshop coming up if that is one hasn't already passed. Um, that's something that >> I I want to I want to attend it. I just don't know if I'm gonna have time. >> Right.
>> Glad I did. I uh not to that but um I was able to go online and I I was able to print one of those entire packets for one of the PowerPoints that they do. >> Oh >> writing a defensible and reasonable
decision which we need to do for where the special permit granting authority for the hospital property the the development opportunities district. So, that was helpful in me understanding that. I could actually probably get a copy of that to Kathy and she could
include it so everybody could read through it. Um, I know I still have some questions after reading it, but I got 80%. Go ahead, Kathy. >> Um, I just checked. I did attend that one and I can get access to the PowerPoint, I think, for the drafting
amendments. >> Amen. >> Good list. Yeah. So, if you can find that, Kathy, >> yeah, send it to the board. You don't have to wait until >> whenever you get a chance to find it,
that'd be awesome. >> Uh, all right. So, I'm going to move on. I think, you know, we're at a good spot with the development opportunities thing. Kathy can get us that. we start working on some homework of try to get some language to amend the development
opportunities district cover that spot. Once we get there, we'll post a public meeting for public comment and at that point that's got to be within I think six months of town meeting and >> that's what it is >> go on the agenda for town meeting u when they do the warrant.
All right. Um, so eight is to review the zoning board of appeals petitions. Has everybody had a chance to go through those? >> Yes. >> So the first one is 119 hemlock
which is uh labeled pink. the Pink family owns that. Um, looks like that property they wanted to raise or demolish an existing out building and rebuild a new one that was
slightly wider and they're just looking for the relief on a corner of the property line that already exists to maintain that with ZBA. Um, I would say no comment, but if anybody else has any
input, happy to hear it. You good, Peter? >> Yeah. No comment. >> All right. So, make a motion to have no comment on 19 Hemlock Street. >> Did I get a second? I didn't hear it.
I got three seconds. That's like six. All right. So, I have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I >> I. >> Uh motion carries unanimously. Everybody voted I. >> Um the next item on the review from the ZBA
is 149 Bedford Street. Uh actually I went through this a little earlier. We actually had the discussion, but the special permit conditions that they're looking for for 149 Bedford Street client is looking to raise the existing structure and construct a new office
building. The proposed building will be set back further from both Rhode Island Road and Bedford Street. Uh then the existing building uh but still less than required in a business district. Also requesting is a special permit to allow
a sign that is 41.25 25 square ft in area. The the improvements as proposed will not negatively impact the neighborhood and will in fact enhance the aesthetics. Um that's debatable on
the sign, but I think the building for sure. Um does anybody have any recommendations on that? >> Go ahead, Barbara. >> You go ahead, Peter. No, you go ahead. I'd just like to say that I I hope that the uh they take a real close look at that sign and actually maybe uh because
I've seen digital signs that are u pretty reasonable and then some of them just knock your socks off with how bright they are. Uh it's the whole gambit. So if they could get maybe even just like a test um example would be
better for their case to the to the ZBA. Do you know what I mean? Um because if they just go in and say it's gonna be great, um I don't know. So that's all >> I I don't love it. I don't think it's consistent with rural character. That's
just my opinion. I would prefer not to have a digital sign. I prefer to have no digital signs in town, but you know, we'll leave that to the powers that be. It's just my two cents. >> Michelle, >> um I definitely agree. I mean, not only is the sign, you know, above and beyond
the size limit, they're looking for multiple concessions regarding the sign, the placement, the lighting. Um, I think I think we should pass a recommendation on to the ZBA um that if
they if they're going to, you know, grant relief on the size that every other aspect should be adherent to the town bylaws. >> Yep.
>> Okay. I would I second that. Is that a motion? >> That's a motion. >> Motion to uh recommend to the ZBA that the sign even if they grant relief on the size that the sign comply with all other aspects of the town bylaw.
>> Yes. So I have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I. >> Motion carried unanimously. Kathy. >> So you'll write something up that says that and send it to ZBA.
All right. Um next is Chapen 15 South A. Um second time I'm seeing this. This came in front of conservation. Um, looking at
I don't know if they're looking to tear down a house or whatever. I kind of I guess I I don't want to comment too much, but I always have a problem with the cocktail
napkin plan from, you know, It's my belief is it's an investment flip property and it's coming off of a couple of 8 by11 sketches
instead of a real engineered plan. But that's I guess that's up to the ZBA on that one. But unless anyone else has any comment on that, >> I'd recommend we pass with no comment. Mark. >> Okay. Motion >> second.
>> Was that a motion, Barbara? >> Yes. >> Okay. Peter seconded it. So, we have a motion and a second to no comment on Chapen 15 South A. All in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Motion carries unanimously. Uh so, moving on. That's all of the ZBA
stuff. So, we got to approve minutes for October 22nd, which I have in front of me. That was a good size meeting. Lengthy, I guess, better word to describe it. Has everybody had a chance to review those minutes?
>> I have not. So, I'm going to recuse myself. >> I have. >> How do they look to you, Jack? >> I have. >> You have? >> Yes. >> And how did they look to you? It seemed to be fine for my limited experience.
>> It looked accurate to your recollection. >> Yes, sir. >> I see you were present. >> It was. >> Peter. >> Yeah. I'd like to make a motion if Jack doesn't. Uh motion to approve the meeting minutes October 22nd.
>> I second. Thank you. >> In a second. Uh all in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> You want to abstain, Barbara, or you want to vote? Yes. >> I haven't read them, but if they're if they say they're okay, I'm sure it's okay.
>> Okay. The motion carries unanimously. >> Kathy, um to item 10 on the agenda, old business. I have nothing on my agenda for the week. Is there anything >> just to go back to the minutes? I had sent some older ones out. I don't know if you had received them. I can throw it back on there. If not,
>> uh, I did see them, but I certainly didn't get a chance to look at them. >> Okay, I'll throw them back on then. >> Why don't you put them on next week's we could do minutes >> just on the end of next week's couple of hearings. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, so on to new business.
Approve amend amended check amount for the Plymouth County. What's that all about, Kathy? >> All right. So, I maybe last month you had to sign a paper because they needed um a
a record of your signatures. So, I received that back saying their fees have increased. So, >> I have to redo it. >> We have to resign or we just need to redo the check. Uh I you have to resign it just because it's going back up to
accounting and then they'll issue the check. >> We don't need to redo our signatures. I just need to sign it. >> Yes. For the approval. >> Okay. So a a motion from myself to sign that document on behalf of the board.
>> Yes. >> That's a second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I >> motion carries unanimously to sign the document for the registry of deeds. Uh item 11B.
Well, wait. Yeah. Chapter 91, waterways. Um construction of a wall and relocation of a pier. we do that.
>> I was really confused. I've never seen this before in the planning board and I spoke to Jamie about it and he says that you have you you as the chair have to sign it. It goes to different departments and I don't know if it's just an acknowledgement that you've seen
it but I think he I think he said that you'd see it in conservation also. Yeah, I was going to say we see them there and we always say, well, we don't want to be the dock police, but and we pretty much, you know, it's good that people do the chapter on anyone because they're
basically legalizing their dock. Uh, so I have no problem with it. Like I say, from a conservation standpoint that everybody involved likes to see the documentation and the approval rather than people >> Right. Right. >> on the weekend without the proper
approval. So, uh, >> so I just put it so people would be familiar with what it was. >> And this one will will require my signature. >> Yes. >> So, I I make a motion that the board vote to have me sign the chapter 91
waterways license application for 119 Hemlock Shore. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> motion carries unanimously. Uh so
item 12 is our next next meeting is going to be November 19th at 6:30. And then our following meeting I'll announce now it's already scheduled for December 10th at 7 o'clock.
Um and I think that's all of our business and K unless you have anything else Kathy. >> Nope. So, >> so I will entertain the favorite motion. >> Didn't make it. >> No, I'll make it. >> Which motion, Jack?
>> Go ahead, Jack. Do it. >> Complete the to finish the meeting. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. That's right. I'll get the lingo down pretty soon. >> Second. >> A second. All in favor? >> I. >> Motion carries unanimous. You have to
leave now. Thanks guys.