Good evening and welcome to the Thursday, July 10th, 2025 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board. It is 700 p.m. and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street. We do have Lake Cam recording. Is anyone else recording? Hearing none.
We do have a quorum this evening with Mr. Lodge, Mr. Wilga, and myself. I'm assuming that uh Jack will be showing up shortly and John will not be joining us this evening. Uh the first item on our
agenda is a public hearing site plan review for 19 Main Street continued this evening. Upon the application for a site plan review submitted by CD Dinkeritz Realy, Inc. for the construction of a proposed mixeduse retail and business development comprised of two buildings and associated site improvements. We
have received a request from the applicant to continue to the August 14th meeting. Would someone like to make that motion? Uh I make a motion that we continue the uh public hearing for 19 Main Street to
our next meeting. It's August 14th. So August 14th, sorry. Okay. So we have a motion and a second. All in favor? I I motion carries. Um Kathy, I know you said the peer review
needs a second a third review though. Yes. So we've done it both ways where we've asked for additional funding from the applicant or they've um passed on having Apex come in in lie of that.
Okay. Okay. Um, does anybody have a I I'm okay with Apex passing if as long as you know. Yeah, you might want to wait to see what that comes back as if how much issues there are with it and maybe then decide. Okay. So,
well, cuz we already got the to see what the applicant's response is to that, how many how many of those issues they kind of deal with. All right. Okay. Yeah, we could do that. So, we'll wait until our next meeting then. Okay. So, we'll put that on for that then, just to
determine. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, next item on the agenda, public hearing, 7 p.m., accessory dwelling unit, ADU, site plan review for 225 county street upon the application for an ADU site plan review and approval submitted by William Fuller for a
proposed 900 foot ADU with an attached garage and a garage underneath. Possible vote. Hi, Jamie. asking for Oh, yes. Block coverage percentage. Thank you. Okay.
Thanks. So, did you So, I'll let you introduce yourself first. Good evening. Jamie, Z consulting engineers. Um, I think at the last meeting there were there was a question of law
coverage which I just provided you with a letter for. Um the lot itself does fall underneath the 25%. Um I did receive a question from Kathy. I think one or more of the board members might have asked uh considering that the property does have a plan on at the
registry showing that there's two lots, right? And it does have uh two map lock and lots. Um first I want to reference that there's just one deed for the property. The deed itself references both lots. Um, but as a followup, I also spoke with
uh the building inspector today um just to seek clarification. What he said is what I've always understood to be is you can have if you own lots that are side by side in the same ownership. The internal setbacks uh
the the setbacks unto themselves don't exist. Meaning that this is functioning as one whole lot. if he was to sell off the lot that had been divided, he would create he could potentially create nonconformities. But right now, this is the lot at 3.8
acres. And that's how zoning would view it. Okay? And just a way to think of it as well is if you were to go down into like Clark Shores, the the lots originally there, a lot of them were cut up into 5,000 foot lots, but several of them are
together with houses crossing over original lot lines. They were on a deed. They'll say lot 202, 203, 204, and 205. They don't have to they don't have to go in and draw a new plan and record it saying that those internal lines are
extinguished. They're just records of it. So, right, they don't have to, but they they could. So, Oh, sure they could. Um, but I thought it was Now, what did what did the the assessors told you that they
The assessor says that that plan takes precedent because it was newer than the D. Okay. So that's what So because they subdiv they divided the lot. The plan's not newer than the deed. The
deed actually references the plan. I actually brought the deed with me. Oh, you okay? Has multiple sheets, but I would still disagree with that interpretation as well as far as owning is concerned.
So that deed references the plan that you're referencing, the outback plan that creates the two lots. Okay. So So that was 2022. 20. Yes. It was a few years back. Yep. But
it was after that ANR plan that was awarded 2020. Yep. One, but how are you able to create a non-conforming lot? That's not uh necessarily creating a non-conforming lot. They
I know it's a setbacks that would be the it could possibly be. Um, when planning board's looking at a plan, an ANR plan, they're looking at frontage and lot area and to make sure that the frontage is legitimate, that we're not creating a new road. Um, so whoever put forward
that plan, the planning board at that time felt it met the ANR statutes. It's not saying it's a buildable lot when you endorse an ANR plan. All it is is saying that it meets the ANR requirements. What we're saying is that the two lots are owned by the same person. They're together and they're cons they are
considered to be one lot right now and they are actually on one deed but they didn't even have to be. They could be on two separate deeds and still be together. So with them being on one deed can they later on Oh certainly create two two deeds and
certainly and that's how a lot of so for example let's say that you owned 100 acres in town and you did a subdivision and you created 50 lots. you would have that original deed and you would deed out lot one, lot two, lot three accordingly. You would still have the same deed. It would be the
responsibility of whoever's doing a title search to go back and see proof that you've deeded those out to see what you now own. Um there would be no need to rewrite the deed. Okay. So, I guess I mean
it does it does show that the this was recorded in 2021. So, yeah, I know you're just going by what the the assessor said. Um, so I don't know if he didn't see this on at the on the registry page or or what he looked at. That's that's actually referenced on the
assessor's field card as well for both properties. It's the same deed. Okay. So yeah. So the lot coverage percentage it looks like it's uh with the proposed is 21.6. So you're still within the lot coverage area. Yes.
Um the only thing is we haven't gotten a set of a decision with the conditions from town council yet. Okay. Um, we could close it and continue and get
the decision, but I'd like to keep it open just in case there's any, you know, back and forth on the decision if there's any if that's okay. What do you want the closing? Well, closing it doesn't make it happen any faster because we still have to get the decision. What is I don't understand. So, this is
the very first ADU that's come to town and so town council has to write up the decision um in order for it to be recorded and this is, you know, this is a process that is just being set up as as we go. So, we don't have a set of
standard conditions for this. Town council has been asked to provide that to us and when we have it, we'll provide it to you. you'll review it and see as long as you're okay with it, it can be voted on and and um then you can move forward. When when do we expect that to happen?
I I don't have a time frame for when she'll get back to us, but I I would assume that I mean she will be at the next meeting. She Okay, so she will be at our next meeting. When is that? July 24th. So, is she expected to have been at the
next meeting? I mean, this is like we're we're going on a month and a half and this has been long. We we're going on three months of waiting for this to get approved. He needs to come up. Yeah. Come say your name for the record. He needs to come up for the record.
Brian Cave. I'm the contractor on that side to build the project. Contract the project. Um I've been working with Mr. Flet to um build the project. Um, he has hired me. His elderly mother is
looking forward to moving into this and getting her out of her twostory apartment building. Um, she is very much looking forward to being into this one-story unit. Um, she is having a very difficult time.
That's all that's all understood and I have sympathy. But like I said, we need to have a decision and if we close it, you won't be able to give us feedback, right? So, so I'm having a hard time understanding why it's taken so long to move through this process. Like, it really isn't.
Well, well, it is because it's taken us two months to get even get to the meeting. Like, correct me if I'm wrong, Kathy, but it's taken even us to get to the meeting. It took me a month just to get a schedule to a meeting. And now it's
taken us two months to get to this point. Like why is it why is it taken us a month to get a decision written? It so it hasn't taken a month to get a decision written. You were just on our last meeting which is two weeks
just an extra week because of the by week but as far like I said we so we this is something decision going to be written between now and I mean next are we going to have the decision written for the next meeting? Ideally, yeah, I would it would have
been nice to have it for this meeting, but you know, I'm not in control of what they do with their time. So, if if she's at our next meeting, it would be easier to go through and make sure that it's completed. Okay. Well, whatever I mean,
I guess whatever whatever the board decides. Okay. So we can continue it to continue to the 24th get a set of conditions. You'll have a chance to review it and then um Kathy, can you send those email when you
get those over to me? Absolutely. Appreciate that. Thank you. All right. And nobody had any more questions? Everything was cleared up. Yeah. Any questions, Jack? For the ADU. Okay. Yeah. And thanks again, Jamie, for
providing us info. Not a problem for and and um have they have they done any other I know you said board of health they already went through. We talked to the board of health. I don't even think that they have to necessarily there's no tanks going in.
So I think it's purely just board of health signing off on the building permit. We've been through conservation. And what about what were there any was there any feedback from what the fire chief had said for comments about the access through the I I gave the I emailed the letter that
night to both Brian and the property owner. The property owner watched on TV as I'm sure he is right now and he called me after the meeting. We spoke. Um he said that the ambulances have they've been to the house before and they've had no problem getting in or out. And there is another access into
the property besides that one right in the front. There is another entrance down further, right? I think he reviewed both if he did. The secondary entrance was is the larger entrance. Um he he he seemed to feel that it was going to be adequate. Okay. So, but the the letter was passed like I
said it would be and we did discuss it. I expressed the concern that the fire department had. Okay. Did you need this back or No, no, those are for you and uh you Yeah, you can have that. Um, so would someone Jack do you have?
No. Uh, would someone like to make the motion to continue this to the July 24th? Um, I make a motion that we continue uh the site plan review for 225 County Street to uh July 24th, 2025.
Second motion and a second. All in favor? I I motion carries. We will see you then. All right. Thank you. Thank you. baby. Thanks, Jack. How you feeling?
She can see. All right. Agenda item number three, we have a public hearing. Special permit for 160 Bedford Street continued to this evening. Uh request for a special permit under section 270-7.412 to allow a commercial parking facility.
We have a request to continue this to the July 24th meeting. If someone like to make that motion, uh, I move that we uh uh continue the
public hearing for 160 Bedford Street until uh July 24th. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor? I. I. Motion carries. Agenda item number four. We have a set
of minutes. Has everyone had a chance to review those? Yep. Yep. Any edits? No changes. They looked good to me, too. I I wasn't there, but I did watch. Um, I move to make a motion that we
approve the uh meeting minutes from the May 22nd, 2025 meeting. Second motion and a second. All in favor? I I. Motion carries. Number five, OSRD discussion, possible
vote. So, in our packet, thank you Kathy for digging these up. Uh, we have an OSRD best practices in the Serpentid region, which was very interesting to read through, as well as an open space residential design uh best practices for
green zoning. Um, and Kathy, I guess you you attended um a Q&A. Yes. Um, my hope is that we could get an OSRD to bring to Falltown meeting. Mhm. We've got we've done multiple drafts.
We've met with conservation. We've met with board of health. I went to open um open space. I feel as though at this point there's just some, you know, we talked about adding a senior component. We talked about adding an affordable component.
We've gone back and forth about the size um requirement. We talk about agriculture too or is that that was different? But this is so this is just the open space residential design bylaw. Okay. That would allow
a lot, you know, a parcel, right? 50% put aside to open space, the rest of it be developed into smaller lots. Um, and that had been the concern from board of health originally. So now we have, you know, the parameters that they want to see um lots not to be smaller
than uh for those sizes, I think. So, we looked into it specific to Rocky Woods and we we saw that, you know, it wasn't a good fit because that wasn't what they were looking to do there. But at this point
where we're we're looking to um what was the lot size the board of health was talking about? I believe it was the 30,000 square foot for a threebedroom. So a 3/4 3/4 acre.
So yeah, so not to be smaller than that for a threebedroom. Okay. Um and then I think we the other things that we had talked about and I know we had taken out the HOA portion of of who retains the ownership of it and we had
included the chapter or article 97 for the property the open space to be permanently restricted. uh which I think was a good good way to go in that. So my thought was meet with Serpent
Mhm. send them our draft. You know, we can tell them this is what we want to see and maybe have them help guide us with those few items that we still have questions about about, you know, the
affordability component, about the senior lot, about the lot size. cuz this is some good feedback. It um it tells you what the different communities are doing and you can go and look at at what they
have uh for these their bylaw for this. Um one thing that I I starred was the best practice for all developable land is zoned residential. I don't even remember if we added that if that's even mentioned in the OSRD that it you know for residentially zoned. I don't
remember. if that was in there. So, I feel like that's probably a major thing we'd we want to see it just Yeah, we may just residential zone. Yeah. Um, another thing was um
best practice number 10 for the contiguity. um relationship to previously protected open space. And just kind of reading through it makes me think maybe I know we had originally I think it was either 20 or 25 acres that we were
looking at for it to qualify. But if there's a smaller lot size that creates a the continuity, a wildlife corridor, maybe we don't have Does does there need to be a does there need to be a minimum size?
No, there doesn't because if if you read through this, you can see what other towns do. Mhm. Um, as far as size, and some have it, some don't. Some have it by by right, some have it by special permit. We were looking at special permit. I think that's still important to include. Oh, yeah. No, definitely on that.
Um, but I don't know that we need to have a minimum size. I mean, just just cuz it doesn't create a floor that we can't get underneath, right? That's great, too.
Um, you know, gives you just a little bit more flexibility on a on a requirement that kind of doesn't doesn't need to be Right. Right. Um, is there from this packet? Is there any
uh town here in southeastern Mass that really stands out to people in terms of their um bylaw that? Well, not so much that, but you know, in terms of how it's written, um, that
really checks all the boxes, if you will. Well, so we did we kind of did that back when and prior to you joining plano, but we we looked at a town that had, you know, no sewer and no um water infrastructure
cuz that was what the original one was based off of Foxboro and they have those things. So, we wanted a town that more resembled Lakeville and and I can't tell you off the top of my head, I don't remember for sure what town it was that we looked at, but there were a few that we looked at that we finally and I even I loaded it
up. I I loaded it up with like all these other things. And then I think the next draft that came out from the former planner was, you know, all of it was out and I was just like, well, I want to see this back in, this back in. So, I did, you know, try to get some of it back in,
but I don't want to I don't want to start the process all over again at the ground floor. Sure. That's why I thought maybe Surfent could just Yep. look at what we have cuz, you know, town council's already re reviewed it. We, in my opinion, we only
have those few items that still need to be resolved and maybe get Serpent to give us some feedback and then help us get it over the finish line. Um, we always have 20 hours per year
and now that we're in July, it starts over. So, we have 20 hours um for SARPED to to do some work for us. I don't know if it's just as simple as, you know, giving Taylor a call, see if she she would be taking this on and
I don't think so. I think she does more of the housing. I could be wrong, though. Okay. The um the people from Surfett that were at that presentation, it was all different people. Okay. So, ideally, I'd like a meet maybe we could do it Zoom. I'd like it to just
be like a one item agenda, you know, where we can just talk about this, have Serpent there, even if it's over Zoom, and just kick it back and forth with them and see what they can do just to finalize something that we can all
not to change subject, but when is the fall town meeting? Has a date been determined yet? I don't believe so. Okay. Um, usually what the second week in November in November, the second Monday or second Tuesday or something like that.
Well, no, it'll be um it'll be on the it'll be part of the meeting to be voted on. Um cuz, you know, I I I agree. I mean, you know, we really need to look at getting this knocked out. Um
at least bring it to town meeting and let people decide. Yeah. And I think the sooner the better cuz I don't know what's on Serpent's um you know what's on their docket in terms of what they're doing for other towns right now. But if we can get it at least
on their radar, you know, shortly, you know, and and that's why I think I'm hoping it's a small lift for them that 20 hours could do it and maybe just one meeting and they could send us a draft. We can review it cuz we Yeah, cuz we've already done a little bit of a work for them, too.
Yeah, there's been a lot of So I I mean if it if it means reviewing it and so forth, coming to a meeting and at least we start discussing it cuz as you know all these town meetings even though it's a couple times a year they always creep up and then something else is on our
docket and so forth and it's like oh yeah that's coming up. So um yeah. So when when is the kickoff for the rules and rags? Next meeting. It is the next meeting. Oh shoot. So that like I was saying things creepy.
That's going to be a heavy one. Next meeting. Yes. Do we have a scheduled time for serpent? No. Do you want me to reach out and see maybe 6:30 for them? Yeah. 6:00 or 6:30. Yeah. Because if we
if we could maybe do a kickoff with that and then say if we have time like do a half hour for the kickoff, a half hour go over this. if we could I mean it's going to be a doozy of a meeting but at least we could get the ball
rolling with that if if because I don't if Taylor's coming for the kickoff and then there's somebody else so maybe it doesn't work but even if we do a zoom I think just just throw it if you could throw it out there to serpent and yeah I will I will reach out to the person that actually forward me this information so
okay so we'll look at 6 or 6:30 sir PED, we'll say 6:00 if they're able to do OSRD and 6:30 if not. And if they can't if they can't fit OSRD, then we'll do a Zoom at their convenience, right? If
that works for everybody. Yep. Okay. So, we'll just keep all the public hearings at 7:00 and we'll just start early for that purpose. Okay. Sorry, Kathy.
All right. Um, so we do have uh possible vote. Do we want to take a vote to um pursue use utilizing serpent hours to come complete a final draft of the OSRD?
Yeah. I um I'd like to make a motion that um we uh utilize the proposed fiscal year 20 2026 um budgeted hours for um the OSRD plan
with Serpid um to be discussed um for next meeting or Yeah, I I wouldn't I wouldn't say specific then if we're going to see on their time frame based upon on um um Sured's time frame.
All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? I. Motion carries. All right, so that'll be good to hopefully get something that we can all feel good
about bringing to town meeting. Um the next item on our agenda is 40 Y discussion possible vote. So, this thank you Kathy for including this. This is um
one more of the items that came from the uh the state in the affordable housing package. Mhm. um if you've had a chance to read through it, if this is all just taken off of the
um website, they have a comment period that the comments are actually due by July 25th. So, if we have any comments, uh we could send them back. I don't know if have you have you all had a chance to read through these.
There's a few things that I like that stand out for anybody that's interested in what this 40y is. um section three under minimum requirements for compliance. So it's it's considered a starter home zoning district and
it has to have a density of not fewer than four units per acre of developer land. Um it does allow for accessory dwelling units of not more than 600 square foot
on those lots. Um so what are they considering units per se? So so this so number three not less than 50% of the starter homes to be developed
in a proposed starter home zoning district excluding accessory dwelling units shall contain not fewer than three bedrooms. So that's a lot of like negatives. It's like double negative. So But I I think what it's saying is that
you have to have at least three bedrooms for 50% of those units. So the thing is there would have to be a designated area. It still have to go through town meeting as a as a overlay zoning just like we have the
smart growth 40R down by the rail. I think the difficult part would be determining where in town this makes sense to do it if the town were to go forward with this. Um the other part of it um not less than 10% shall be affordable
which is good because now when we when you talk about bringing housing in um you don't want to lose that 10% right the affordability rate. So, like a a typical subdivision comes in, they don't have to have 10% of those units be
affordable, but these at least 10% of them have to be affordable, which doesn't move you any further away from your safe harbor with the safe har with the um compliance with the 40B safe harbor. Um,
I'm not going to go into all of it, but I'm just going to kind of skim the the few things that I feel are um important under section five. Um, so this is something that an annual report has to be done similar to the
40R. Uh, so somebody is going to have to be if this were to pass, someone in town would have to be responsible for the yearly reporting. there is a one-time incentive payment. So, upon the approval of the district,
there is an incentive um accordance with the schedule set forth in subsection A of section 9 of chapter 40R. So, that refers to the 40R zoning, right? Um,
and a bonus payment of $3,000 for each starter home created in the starter home zoning district. So, you do get a small incentive. That's peanuts. It is peanuts. But $3,000. You don't get anything for 40B. So, uh,
40R you do get a yearly amount, but that fluctuates, and I know, um, it was much less this past year than, um, had been expected. Um, so the other the other part I found was
interesting. If no building permits are issued for a starter home in that district within five years, then it back uh it revokes the approval and you have to repay the incentive, too. So, I I thought that was an interesting thing to include. So, that that just tells you
they're looking to to get it done ASAP. So, I don't really have comments. I don't I don't have myself. If this passes, there'll be three chapters, right? You have 40B, 40R, 40 Y
that pertain to housing. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz the 40R has that 40S component, which is the part of it. Yeah. I I'm not impressed. No, I think it's just
one more thing that was very rushed out. I I'm just, you know, I'd like to see this would be I'd be fine with 40B being replaced by it, but I Right. But um in addition to I don't I don't
know if I see the benefit. So if we have to go ahead. So no 40. So the 40 Y is something that a town it's not it's not like 40B where 40B was based on if you were a rail community and now it became something
that even if you're not a rail community you have to comply. Um this is something at this point where just like the 40R the town has to accept it at town meeting. So, you would have to bring it, you'd have to designate an
area, create an overlay for the 40 Y, and then it would have to go to town meeting and pass with a two-thirds majority vote. So, this so tonight really like if this planning board has any comments to send back to EOHLC, right? That's who we're sending.
Um, the Executive Office of Housing and Livable Communities. So, do we have any comments that we would like to send back? Please sit down and I'll sit down and write something. I want to review it more. Well, they're due by the 25th.
25th. Yeah, I I can I can do it in the next couple days. I would have you something at the beginning of the week. Okay. I mean, what would be helpful is to see from EHLC
is, you know, all the chapters plus this new proposed chapter and what are the benefits of each one. I mean, yeah, some of it's listed here, but again, this isn't this is going to be, you know, an evolving
thing with with 40y if it gets, you know, if it gets approved. Other things going to be added on to this. I mean, just knowing how the state is and how they've been somewhat reckless the past few years, if not more, in terms of
housing and, you know, small towns like Lakeville are all, you know, left holding the bag with, you know, trying to figure out resources and whatnot. So without going too far down a rabbit hole, I mean, you know, I think what would be helpful
if anything is to know what are some of the benefits for a town to not just have a overlay district for 40 Y, but also, you know, what is the comparative differences between 40 Y
versus 40R versus Yeah, we had like a you did a comparison between 48 because a lot of it piggybacks off of you know some of the other chapters that we do have you know some of the obvious
ones you know um but in terms of um it's just it needs to be more clearly defined it's almost like they're they're kind of throwing stuff out.
Mhm. Uh- without it, without thinking it through, but they're just using a little bit different nomenclature along the way. I mean, this is the first kind time anybody said starter home, right? And so that that's the other part.
Actually, maybe that's a worth a comment because threebedroom, is that a starter home? Because they're calling it a starter home district. And I get it like a smaller house on a smaller lot. It will
retain theoretically it'll be more affordable than a large house on a large lot, right? So theoretically it will help to retain that affordability component over the years. It won't, you know, Yeah. I mean, you know, but
so maybe that's a comment to send back is if if you're going to if you're looking for starter homes, they should start off as one and twobedroom rather than or and be I would think the third bedroom would really increase the price beyond which a statter could afford,
right? Probably. I mean, you can do a a three-bedroom house in 1,000 square ft. Um that's tiny by today's standards, right? Um and the question becomes does anybody
buy it or is it still affordable, right? You know, when it's when it's single family. Well, so that's that's where it's like out of necessity when you're starting out and you can buy what you can afford, you're going to afford something smaller
on a smaller lot. So maybe that for me that would be a comment to send back is uh for starter homes we should be seeing the more than 50% of these right under the three bedroom. Well and what are they classifying as a
starter home other than three bedrooms? Is it horizontal living as my in-laws like to call it which is one floor not multiple floors? Is it fall within a certain square footage? So, yes. So, it says starter home not to exceed $1850. So, that's a
big that's a big size. I mean, that's that's what they're building at down in Leber. Yeah. Right. So, I think if we I I would call out the square footage. Yeah.
Um should be smaller. I mean I would think the setup could only afford all would want single one bedroom and then move up to two and mostly had their kids three I think is way beyond full scatters financial capabilities.
Okay. So I'd say what should be no more than twobedroom. The square square footage should be half that or or like you know Yeah. You know I was going to say 1,200 square feet.
So I mean I not to exceed 1,200 though. Is it like your typical 1950s ranch where it was either two to three bedroomedroom one bathroom you know I I grew up in a th00and square ft three bedrooms five kids. Are we going
back to that? You know, up in Brook, huh? The Cenelli branches. Yeah, I think that's the part that keeps it it it down too is the number of bathrooms, too. So, like I don't I didn't notice. Kathy, is there any number of bathrooms that you noticed?
No, I didn't see I didn't star anything. So, I don't I don't know if they mention anything about bathrooms, but maybe it should be, you know, limited. No more than two bathrooms, too. Because this is the thing that you know. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't
I mean Yeah. One I mean this is the thing that they put together and then they shove it out and then they say send us your Hey, you know what? Yeah. Let's include three bathrooms, three bedrooms, ranch style. Yeah. And all of a sudden it's not affordable
any stretch of the Exactly. So um and even even with ADU I think we sent back the comments that town council had provided they were extensive and did they make any changes based on comments that we they made what zero
changes zero changes so this is probably just a formality of asking for comments but we can send our comments formality formality okay I'll throw it out there y um so I'm on board with sending comments about, you know, the majority
should be two-bedroom. Mhm. Shouldn't exceed 1,200 square ft and limit it to one bathroom. Yeah. For, you know, for starter homes to actually do what it says that it's trying to do.
I don't think it's I don't think we'll be heard. No, but it but I mean, we've discussed it and you know, I mean, unless there's anything else anybody else wants to add. I think putting an ADU on these little lots is is excessive, too. Yeah.
But but as long as title five still applies. Yeah. You hope you you're okay with that. I mean, I think Star Homes was great, you know. I mean, as you said, you know, grew up in Star
Homes and did just fine. And it was Yeah, we we we survived. You survived and you fought over the bathroom, but other than that it was, you know, basement home. Exactly. And lights, right? Right. But um Yeah. And and I think we were on
like less than half an acre and they're all septic systems. Yep. We hit town water. Oh, that's But uh but but we're septic systems for like the first 10 years and then everybody's system started to fail. Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So, yes. Are we good with comments? Yeah, I I'll three three comments, Jack. Oh, yeah. Go for it. I make a motion that we send back comments stating that rather than three bedroom, it should be two bedrooms
rather than 1,800 should be down to 1,200 ft². Anything about the bathrooms? Anything. And it should be one one bathroom. Yeah. or or not to exceed one and a half or something. Oh, yeah. Not to exceed one and a half.
I like that. Yeah. Got to be fair. All those siblings. Yep. All right. So, we have a motion. Second. A second. All in favor? I. Motion carries. Kathy,
if you would. Sure. Thank you. All right. Agenda item number seven, site plan review inspections. Um, oh, we don't have anything in the packet, do we?
No. I I know we had that conversation with Liz and she said you might want to consider taking out the um the binder coat. So, I was going to ask her if you took that out how that would impact the price. Did not have a chance to do that this week, but I will get to that this
next week for sure. Okay. So, we'll just bring it back. Yeah, sounds good. Um, agenda item number eight, administrative
update. We have the Lakeville Country Club Golfer Way modification memo update. Kathy did put together this memo. It includes the comments from Apex summarized and then at the end it does uh mention that uh what the board had
discussed and she was able to send this off. You sent it on July 2nd the date that it was I don't recall the day it was but so it was sent was sent last week. I actually did see um Mr. Maxi came in cuz we had the
covenant and had all been signed and notorized. So he did take that to record. Okay. He is aware of this. He I believe they are working on that plan. Okay. Great. Very good. So hopefully we'll see that sometime
soon. Um the next item, economic development member recommendation, possible vote. So they already have a date Monday at 6:00 for economic development. So it can be a planning board member. It could also be a designate. So I everybody I
know John took on the um zoning bylaw Zebra committee. David, you're on serpent. I'm on CPC. Jack's on master plan. Dan, if you want to do this, if you if if the 6 p.m. on Monday doesn't work, we could
potentially assign Kathy. But if you can then yeah I I I'm fine with um you know taking on uh being part of the economic development committee um as a ad hoc member. Um
Monday though I don't think I'll be able to just just from timing perspective. But 6 p.m. is that going to be a workable time for you for Monday? I just know I just know I won't be able to do the Monday. I I won't be able to do the Monday meeting ever.
This No, I I just just not this coming Monday. Yeah, but 6:00 on a Monday will work. Okay. Yeah. Um do we want to ask Kathy to attend on Monday instead? That's not a problem. Is that okay? Just so we can Okay.
Um so we can appoint Dan. Yep. That's fine. for the um the member but for Kathy to sit in and bring us back anything. Yeah, sure. So, do we have representation there for the first meeting and then Dan can go from there? All right. Would someone
like to make the motion to uh recommend Dan? I I recommend Dan. Would we appoint Dan to the uh as the economic development member of the planning board? Roll it completely.
All right. So, we have motion and a second. All in favor? I All right, Dan. Thank you. You're welcome. And then we'll have ask that Kathy sits in on Monday. Kathy, I owe you. Sorry. Thank you.
Yeah, it's just a timing for next Monday. I just don't have the bandwidth, but going forward I should. So, okay. And so what's the frequency of their meetings? Is it like he wasn't sure yet. Hopefully I'll find out. If you can't do it at the way.
Okay. Thank you. All right. All right. We have Bella's way update possible votes. So this um we have an email from the butter. He's been consistently
um emailing Kathy, myself, a number of other, you know, people in town in regards to the issues that are are still lasting for Bellaway. Um I know Jamie had been in over the winter
and said that they were going to come back in spring. Um but I know we haven't seen or heard anything further. Um, my thought is send it over to town council, ask for
some advice because the town still has $11,000. I don't know what that can, you know, if it could be used to complete any of it at this point. uh if they just don't want to move forward or um
so at this point what is what where do we reside on this in terms of where does it fall here in the town? Does it go back to so um building department? No. So this is so subdivision control. also it's planning board but we don't
have you know we don't have a planner that's overseeing this and and honestly the the issue began with the prior to our last town planner where that the prior town planner had said that everything was all set so we had released the last lot and then come to
find out the fence was never built that there's certain things that just haven't been done um but the funds were never released so my thought is we could send a memo from the planning Just asking Jamie, you know, you'd come back over the winter.
Is is there any plan to come back before this board with those items that were mentioned? I think he said they were going to complete it. We would do a final as fall, I think. I thought it was over the winter. Was it December? Yeah. Um
because they were going to do an we were going to do the the asbelt to make sure that everything was tied up and anything left after that review then the money would be released. Y um but if they're not going to do that would my thought is reach out to town council.
Yep. And then at the same time send a memo over to Jamie just you know asking them if they're still moving forward. If not then we'll we'll see what else you did we can do. here to So she'll be at our next meeting. Yeah.
Um so we might as well So we'll continue it. Yeah. And bring it up. Put it back on the agenda. And um so do we want to vote to send a memo over to Jamie just asking for status? Yeah. Yeah. Cuz he'll be at Well, I
don't know if he'll answer at that meeting cuz he'll be at the next meeting too, right? For I mean if he ch if he chooses if he gets the memo and then he decides to stick around. Yeah. and we'll try to move it up for town council so that okay we can take it out of the radar. Um can we do that?
Go ahead. I make a motion that we contact Jamie and that's he's a CZ. Yep. ZCe. Yep. And as to the status of Bill's way whether any progress is being made to
clarify and resolve the issues. motion and and we're also going to at that point continue this to our as an agenda item to our next meeting. Yeah, but we don't you have to do this separately. No, that's all that's fine. You can it can be all one
motion. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? I I motion carries. All right. You got that one too, Kathy? Got it. All right. Um the next item planner position
discussed possible vote. So um on Monday the select board um discussed with um the town administrator and the HR director about the planning position. Um I was very thankful to Moren cuz she brought up the fact that planning board
has been asking for an interim person for this for the interim since March I think it was. So, she really kind of got it over the finish line. So, they did uh agree and vote to allow the town administrator to bring someone in for 10
hours a week in a part-time interim role. Uh, and I think he has somebody in mind that um we're going to meet with or I'm going to meet with um on Monday and Kathy I think is going to so that's good. Um but then the part
that so the interim Okay. So, you know, Morgan was really good about getting them to approve that, which I'm thankful, but then they also a couple members brought up the idea of a part-time planner, you know, and some other town that do it. Um,
and when I heard part-time, I was just like, you know, my heart sank, you know, cuz it's just we have so much going on. And I feel like, you know, part-time is going to just keep us status quo and we won't be able to get
these other things that we want to see done completed. Um, so my hope was we could discuss and possibly request a joint meeting with the select board. I did reach out
to Moren um you know texted her today and you know I had emailed um Andrew about it and he had added Moren on. So you know she saw that that we would be discussing this. Um I guess the select board they all have vacations um up you know this the end of this month
up until I think their next meeting is August 5th. But she said that a Zoom meeting might work for them. So I know this board seems to be pretty flexible with a Zoom meeting. Yep. I'm hoping that what whatever might work for them, we could
be able to do. Um I mean Oh, go ahead. I I guess maybe I don't I missed the point a long time ago. Why is Derek Maxi involved? Wait, what? Isn't it this letter here looking at? No, that's that's another
something different. Oh, yeah. No, that that was that's the memo that was sent to him. Yeah, that was for the Lake Country Club one, the first item. So, this is just the planner discussion because they're talking about part-time versus full-time. I would like us to
instead of us sending a memo again, you know, and like I would like us to have a discussion and and we can share what what we see as the issues and and Kathy can speak to, you know, what she's experiencing and um
so I have some preliminary comments about this. Um, first off, um, having a part-time planner, in my opinion, given the volume of projects
we've got going on in this town, um, the volume that's coming through your office as well, uh, we have um multiple committees and so forth. I mean, we all learned just recently, you know, when um
we had our full-time planner just how valuable it is to have somebody here full-time, right? Um I don't see the volume going away anytime soon. And now that we have ADUs,
which is, you know, we're just packing it on. So, the way I look at it is a couple different ways. Um, I want to know why the board or some members of the board feel that a part-time planner is sufficient. Um, and
what towns are actually um, have some part-time planners because I would be more interested in seeing what, you know, what towns we're talking about, what their volume is cuz again, this is Lakeville, things are different. So, um,
you know, again, it's proven that a full-time planner was, um, you know, even when we had Mark prior to, I mean, having a full-time planner is definitely a necessity here in this town. Um, a good one.
The second thing is is uh in terms of salary I mean right now we've got a you know I'm assuming I that the salary that we had will also is being transferred over into the fiscal year 26 budget. So
that hasn't gone away. Um so so to that point if I may interject right now. So, the other item that was discussed, um, and this actually kind of evolved when I had been talking to Andrew at one point, um,
having a a tier like a a planner one who could be someone that doesn't have as much experience, a lower salary rate, and then a tier two where you have the experienced planner who can hit the ground running. the
benefit to having that lower salary rate and then having the op this planner interim planner who could potentially be a consultant like someone who that who that new person who might not have all
the experience could now have a sounding board um for the items that maybe aren't aren't familiar or processes that aren't familiar. So I I liked I liked you know that idea too of maybe changing the job
description leaving them both though. So if we have if somebody with all this experience comes along and or or you know starts looking for a new place to work we could take a plan or two at that at that budgeted amount. But having the option of someone with less experience
and then being able to utilize someone with more experience to help y um with that transition and hopefully get them to that point where they'll go from planner one to planner two and we don't need um
I I just want to be careful about losing that salary amount so that it's allocated to something else cuz believe me I work in operations. I see it all the time. So, um, so I I I I would want to make sure
that, you know, however it's drafted that, you know, we take a really close look at it and see, you know, if it makes sense, you know, I mean, yeah, cuz again, there's
it's been tough not having an additional person here. Um, especially for you, Kath. um as well. You know, I mean, the volume again is not going away and I will advocate for having whatever this board decides,
but at least at least full time. Full time. Yeah. So, I would just So, Jack, did you have something to add? Uh, you just a couple comments. If you go into Kathy's office or when Mark was there or when Nancy was there, the amount of
paperwork, it's tough that goes on in there. There's a need for planner in 10 hours a week that someone's proposing. So this five five days work two hours, you know. So to get there, you go home. What are you going to get done? I think that's nonsense. But that's just the interim, which I'm
glad that we're getting something for the interim. I just don't want to see that. That shouldn't be the norm. You know, I just having a primary and a secondary planner. I'm just I hope that the secondary one doesn't become a paper shuffler. So, it wouldn't be two. It wouldn't be
two roles. It would be, you know, I know, but it's two two two different positions listed. But, yeah, but if you're the boss and I'm the secondary, you just may say to me, do this, do this. We wouldn't be hiring two. It would be just two different job descriptions. you know the planner one versus
I prefer would I prefer to put our money behind someone like Nancy believe me I do too but but I I think wow I mean there are other obviously there are other NES out there it's a matter of finding him or her right I'd rather I myself would rather go with
one and and put our money behind someone good right the other thing I just thought of which I I'm sorry bringing this up again but um the uh reporting lines for this for the temporary person. Mhm.
Who would that fall under? Andrew. Andrew. And then are we thinking the same thing for this new position as well after the fact? Yeah. As far as I know, like none of that the reporting lines. Okay. All right. Okay. So, would we like to send a memo
over to the select board requesting a joint meeting? Yep. Zoom if need be. at a day and time of their choosing, but you know, figuring that it'll be most likely as soon as possible.
Something that we can do. Yeah. Prior to that, August 5th because I even offered cuz usually um we have CPC on the third Thursday of the month at 6:30. So, we're usually here in the police station, but we're foregoing the
meeting uh this month. So, I've been said we could do it, but but then finding out that they're all having vacations, they probably won't have availability for an in person. So, the zone might work. Does it also make sense
that we also discuss our um our need that you know this is this should be a priority position so that we would like to get somebody hired in by let's say October or the fall at the end of the first quarter. Well, honest like
we were hoping to have somebody in but it it fell through. So I think it's a matter of um who applies too like you can't you can't Yeah. pull it out of thin air unfortunately because you got to advertise up front. Yeah. Because if you don't get some good
candidates up front the whole process and we don't want to just settle for whoever comes along either. We want somebody that want a good something. But I would just say so I already I have my p I have that's my list. You know what I mean? I have a page of things
that I want I you know my needs and I'm hoping Kathy you can bring your experience. Kathy you should not right now but I'm saying to the joint meeting everybody come with your list and I would think Kathy would be a great source to provide some good. You're
right there in the thick of it. So yep. So yes I am. Would someone like to make the motion to send the memo to the select board requesting a joint meeting via Zoom date and time of their availability prior to August 5th? Yep.
I make a motion that we send a memo to the select board requesting joint meeting regarding the the position of a planning regarding the planning position via we could do it via Zoom potentially. So move start. All right, we have a motion and a
second. All in favor? I I motion carries. All right, you got three memos, Kathy. We have the Oh, so we have our next meeting is supposed to be July 24th here, but we also have an invite to the
master plan for the 21st. I said I told them that I'll go. I know Jack will be there. I'll be there. You But but if one more person but if one more person goes, we have to we have to um open meeting. Yeah, but you're the you're the most knowledgeable one. I
mean, I can't speak to any any of the depth that you could. So, you you know, my suggestion you be there. I mean, y'all can No, I'm going to So, I'm going to be there. You're going to be there. But so, what I'm saying if one more person from this board wants to go, we'll have to post it for open meeting law purposes.
So, anybody else? The meetings The meetings are very short, so we can go. It's Monday at 6 p.m. So, I know Dan can't go. It's It's this Monday. It's this Monday. The 21st. 21st. Yeah, that's No, that's not this Monday. Couple
weeks. The 21st. Yeah, the 21st. So, not this Monday. It's the following Monday. Yeah, I I would go. Let's post it. You want to go? Yeah, maybe.
So, we'll post it. Post. We'll Kathy, are you able to post that one? Yep. Or do you want me to No, I got plenty of time. I want to go on a vacation. Well, just let if you can't get to it, let me know and I'll this time I'll try
to not forget it. Um All right. And that's here. So that is uh Yeah, they do them here. Here. Okay. Now, I think they like to do them at 6:00. Yeah. 6 p.m. Yep. That's what I got.
Okay. 6:00 p.m. here. master plan, joint meeting. I'll let John know in case he wants to go and um Great. Yeah. And I think it's just discussing our um Yeah. our priorities. And
what we want is to talk to each one of the mainly the chairman of the each board as to where are you and then we go take a look at the goals. We're right here, right? That's all. Yep. Mhm.
Absolutely. All right. So, we'll post for that and then our next planning board meeting is July 24th here at the police station unless we can get a joint meeting at six. Yep. So, our next meeting. Yes. So, actually it's uh we'll look to start it at either
6:00 or 6:30 depending on surfed and then the public hearings will start at 7. That sounds good. Okay. Any other business? No. Nope. Anybody meeting? All right, motion to adjurnn. Was that
what I heard, Jack? Okay, we have a second. Second. All in favor? I I meeting is adjourned.