[Music] Good evening and welcome to the Thursday, October 9th, 2025 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board. It is 6:30 p.m. and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street. We do have Lake Cam
recording this evening and we have a quorum as well. Um, let's just go around. Um, roll call for attendance. Donate Cabraw. John Cabell present. Michelle McGerman present. Dan Wila present.
And we have Kathy Murray, our planning board clerk. And we do have Jack Lynch phoning in this evening. Yep. All right, moving right along. Agenda item number one, review storm water management bylaw. So, in our packet, we
do have a draft that has now been uh reviewed by town council. Uh Greg Corbo has gone through this and made a number of um edits. Um renumeration, a couple suggestions
um in regards to where certain items belong. Um uh for example, section 7 and 8, he recommends that those are put into the regulations as opposed to in the bylaw itself. Um as well as the fees,
uh which makes sense because uh the rules and regulations we're working on right now and the fees schedule, we have that going along with that. Um so we should instead of having to go through town meeting vote in order to change the fees, we can just change it through a public hearing.
Okay. um along with the other rules and regulations um fees. Um has everybody had a chance to look it over? Have any questions, comments? I have one comment. Sure. And it wasn't anything that they that any of the revisions I was I was reading
through it on page six. Um what is that? Section section five part A. Right. So this is that first part. I'm just the way it read to me that this you this bylaw applies to both public and private property. This bylaw
shall be equable to the following activities. I don't know if it should say like any of the following activities. I go I guess I guess it it kind of says it that way. I don't know if we had clearly define it more like that. It's it's any of these not not not comprehensive. All of them has to It
does say and but it says like I would say any of these items any of the following items to any of the following activities and then I don't know if it says on number three and or you know what I mean. So then we could take off. So each of these 1 2 3 and four says any. So we could basically remove the word any from
all of these then and just let it say discharge is two subdivision as defined activity or any. It doesn't really matter that I just meant like it would just be it's not 1 2 3 and four. It has to you have to do that. It has to be either one or two or three or four or any of the combin. You know what I mean?
Mhm. Right. I don't know. Just the way it read was kind of like sometimes with code if it reads certain ways it's like it's a you have to meet all this criteria or you meet any one of these criteria and you get triggered. But that's just how I was that's how I read it. I agree that does make more sense.
It does. It does. That's actually a really good suggestion. Yeah. Mhm. That was the only thing I said was that maybe just wanted to define it so it's not like they're like well I I don't you know I mean I'm not any any activities that result in land disturbance and I would leave everything else except
I was maybe put the word to any of the following activities any of okay but then leave any discharge and except okay all right anything else? Nope. Everything else is just pretty
pretty straightforward. Yeah. Okay. Um, and I did circulate this to the building commissioner. Mhm. Um, I sent over the draft to s uh serpent as well because they're working on the rules and rags. So, I just I sent
the email from Corbo saying, you know, section 7 and 8 recommended in the RO uh and regs. So, they have it. Um, so what is the next step with this? So I think if if that's the only edit, yeah,
you know, we make the edit. We we we get the feedback from um building commissioner, DPW director, any any other edits. Yeah. Make them all, you know, accept all the red line changes and then we have a good draft
that's ready and we can send it as soon as we have a good draft of it like cleaned up. I I think we can just send it over to the town administrator and say, "Let's just put a a um a whole a place marker on spring." So
then we have it ready for spring. All good to go. And this does not have to go back through town council again, right? I mean, only if we get like a decent amount of edits. Okay. Cuz this is a pretty thorough Yeah.
um revision. We've had serpent work on it. It was already done by an engineering Yeah. firm. This town council reviewed it over the summer, right? No, this is just this well within the last month. Oh, within the last month. Okay. Yeah. All right.
Because originally the reason that we didn't want to bring it to fall town meeting was the original feedback from um town council was that um it was lacking and he didn't think it could be um enforced and it wouldn't be approved by the AG. So at this this has
all those edits incorporated. Great. the storm water permit um definition just it just needs a period at the end the end of the paragraph. It's the only one without a period. I don't know why I just said
Oh, hold on. I'm sorry, Jack. What were you saying? I said the only reason it would have to go to Amy is if Nate or anyone else made any revisions to it that we thought may need her legalized. Yeah. So, like if there's any
substantial edits, then we'd send it back. But, um, yeah. So, I'm sorry, Donna. What was the just storm water permit the definition on page four? Just at the end of that paragraph just needs period. Okay. Very
minor. Can I ask a question to you? Sure. Yeah. Do do they usually put links to like larger documents like state documents within the bylaws? I don't know how we've done other bylaws. So like the
handbook, the storm water handbook is referenced. Yes. So that was a suggestion by the DPW director because those regulations can change from time to time. So that way we don't have to keep um revising the bylaw. and they'll reference those changes similar to what we did with the
ADU. So, we reference the state guidelines because that's what we're adopting. So, if the state changes the guidelines that we have to adhere to, then we don't have to revise the bylaw and go through town meeting to do so. It's already built in. So, it is something that we have done.
So, there's there'll be a live link in here. If someone's reading the storm water bylaw and it says stormwater handbook, they click the link. That's a good question because now we have the town code. So, it is all electronic. I just don't know.
Kathy, do you know? I don't. But I can check with Lil. Okay. Yeah, I was curious. Okay. I'm not sure cuz I think if you click on within the code itself when you're looking, I think if you click on like if
if it references a section, it'll take you to that section. But I don't know if it'll take you to an external link. So that's a good question. That's funny because I actually went to that link today and I said, "Oh, we should put this on the web page." So it should be somewhere. Yeah.
Right. And even better if you can click on it because that that'll when it's referenced if it's highlighted blue and you can just click on the link then you can go right to the states document and Right. Yep. Okay. Very good.
So, I just have a few things. Sure. Yes. To bring up. Um, so first on page two and it where it cites that rules and regulations. Is that something separate or is that
going into the subdivision ones? I I just had a qu these are just my qu personal questions here. So on page two, what part? It's number 12 right at the top. Okay. It's definitely cuz it says with the accomp accompanying
rules and regulations. So does that mean that that is something separate rules and regulations for storm water management? Oh yeah. So it's not saying rules and regulations for So just clarification on that. Oh good. Yeah. I would have like Yep. I
would have thought it meant like our planning board rules and regulations. Well, what when I saw that accompanying them, I'm like, I wonder if that's something, you know, accompanying Rosemary something else storm water management. Right. Okay. So, who should we ask what that refers to?
Is that serpent or should it be? I don't think so. Did write that section? I'm not sure. So, because we already had a draft from Environmental Partners, so I don't know if it came from them, like if it was in there or if it was a
Serpentid edit. Um, but we can ask Serpent, I think. Yeah. Um, cuz maybe it's not supposed to say for storm water management. Maybe it's supposed to be planning board rules and regulations. That's what I would have like reading it. I just assumed it was. Yep.
So just on the next one um page five just where the conservation agent is going to be enforcement for conservation like is conservation aware of all this going on? So I know NY's
um been incor like um Michaela did to reach out to Nancy. Okay. And I know um she's seen a copy of this. We can definitely share the um final draft as well. And I know Nancy Dery had also discussed it too because it's really just
maintaining how we have it. Okay. Like they they deal with it if it's wetlands and All right. The next one. So on page eight under D, I just noticed that the may that the
shall was changed to May. So, I I don't know, maybe if we could have like better language. I don't know if that was because maybe if they couldn't be held together, but the goal is to have them run concurrently. So,
maybe some language like that in there. So, what I'm sorry, what were you suggesting? I was just reading through it cuz uh on page 11 the language is concurrently. So I'm just wondering maybe they should match uh
about the hearings running together. Originally it was shall so I don't know if it was an issue cuz shall means you have to it's happening. So page 11 is the part that we're asking to put into the regs too cuz that's section eight.
Okay. So, um, shall be. Okay. So, there it is again. So, yeah. So, keep it consistent. So, I guess I would prefer it to say May because obviously there's some things that could come up, you know, different timelines, etc. So,
I do prefer the may over the shall. So maybe you know like like I said better language if I can't think about the time but um just saying the goal is to have it as often as possible run concurrently or some
something like that you know just so they know that that's always the original intent you know sometimes things happen. So maybe just spelling that out a little bit a little more detailed.
Yeah. Um may review concurrently could be or preferably. I don't know if that's a word, but you can just insert maybe preferably held jointly in order to streamline the review process for the
applicant. or something like to to the best ability of the board. Yeah. The hearings will be held together. So this is saying for project activities within the regulated jurisdiction of other of other town of other boards, right? Other town boards or commissions,
storm water authority and his agent may review the storm water permit application. This is coordination with other town departments, right? That's just saying. Look at this. Oh, okay. Well, so this is so like what we do right now is when is reviewing storm
water and we have it. So they basically go through that process first and then they make sure that they send over a copy. So we have the I think they're saying like you you can review them at the same time versus waiting for it to go. That that's what how I would read it was that if it's products or activities with regulated
jurisdictions of other town boards or commissions including but not limited to projects recurring plan review through planning board. The storm water authority agent may review the storm water permit application concurrently with other permits in any required public hearings or others may may be
held jointly in order to streamline the process. I think it's just giving them an option but not making it mandatory that they have to review it together and it has to be concurrent. I don't think you can say shall and um and I agree was shall the word. Yeah. Yeah.
So I think it was just that to review them all together is sometimes difficult. Right. Right. So So to me to Kathy's point on page 11 I think that should just be the same.
So where's page 11 under uh C1 projects requiring a wetland application from conservation commission um shall be processed and reviewed concurrently with the wetland per permit application. and the Stone Warner permit decision may
be incorporated into Concom's written decision. So maybe that should just say May or or is this really a little bit different because it's just pertaining to conservation
but then below it and actually is that even the one that you mention? Yeah, the planning belong number two. Okay. Uh concurrently on the same so do you feel like on
page eight it's more like the whole like the whole thing all the departments? Yeah, I think it's saying this one is more specific. Yeah, this one's just specific for conservation. I would say that it has to be the storm water permit has to go in when you're doing your wetland permit, right? They they want to know that. Yeah. Shall be processed and reviewed concurrently with the wetland permit
versus not going back to conservation twice, right? Cuz conservation is going to review that storm water permit, right? So, and then in the second one where it talks about uh where a project requires site plan review and wetland permit, Concom shall provide shall provide because we want them to. It's not a
question of whether they may or may not. So, we do want I think the other one was just saying that if it's coordination that you could try to do like I I don't know coordination with other town permits I guess.
So, does that are we okay with leaving it as it is though or is it is it clear enough or not? I think it's it's clear. I think it's clear, but if you want to get Yeah. If you want to see if they can
reward it, it's fine. Okay. So, maybe just add something in there to be Yeah, it's preferably to be clear to me. Okay. So, yes. add. No,
I would leave. I don't know about I just don't know about in regulations the you know preferred like you know I just don't I don't know how that reads in like uh in a in a regulation you know what I mean? Okay. Maybe that's more like in a process then. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. So then we're good. Mhm. Okay. All right, next one. Um, page nine, just where it has for for public hearings.
It just says how um advertised in a newspaper of local circulation at least 14 days just to put a little more detail because it runs for 2 weeks. So just so they kind of are more aware of how that process works.
Um, so is that section 6B? Uh, yes. Sorry. And where did what did you want to change it? Just because it says such hearing dates shall be advertised in a newspaper of general local circulation at least 14 days prior to the hearing. But they have
to be advertised for two weeks. So I just feel like that's an important detail to include. So put after date Yeah, like and at least two weeks. Yeah, like the language comes right from
Mass General Law. So, I would just use that same language. Okay. So, just ch instead of saying 14 days, use the same language for mass general law. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Next is page 10, the first paragraph.
where it reference says a certificate of completion. So is that like a new form that has to be created? Oh, right. Yeah, I think you had asked that before like is that okay? Well, not I don't know if it was
and it was on the last uh decision too cuz Amy took that out, right? certificate of completion. But is you know this is different. So is this something you know an additional form? Forever. I mean to me that sounds like something
that would be reviewed with the asbelts at the end by peer review. Oh, okay. If that's what is that how you would read it? It's a project still. So maybe we just word it as such instead of
because it says final report and certificate certificate of completion but we don't do like we don't have a certificate of completion. What they do is they'll review the as belts and then what's the process after that? is basically it's either yes or no and if
we've never done that so there's really well it didn't wasn't it with the 13 main we had to go through yeah but there was no we never we never issued anything to them right there's no there's no there's no certificate of completion yeah no
so I think either the process has to be updated to re to match this or we have to update this to match the process I mean is that something that you'd want like when you get the result and it's all set then to send out this or issue
this certificate. It sounds like something good to do. It sounds like a good process to have in place so that everything when it's finalized and boom or or or does this mean like the the cuz like a project with like a like I've
had to do it before with like you have to issue a final affidavit which is a certificate of completion by the by the engineer stating that their work has been completed in compliance. So I I don't know if that means that that but the way this reads is that we have to issue a certificate of
completion. So I don't know who is that certificate of completion coming from us or is it or we can't release it until we have a certificate of completion from the engineer. So maybe that's a question of because I it says that with the authority has received the final report and issued a certificate of completion.
So I don't know if that's to me that reads like our peer review correct would review their engineers. Okay. cuz above it you know it says the asbuilt a registered uh professional engineer and then storm water authority will
issue the letter certifying completion. So it to me that's what I would picture. We get the asbelt, we say peer review, make sure that this is done as as it's supposed to and ask our peer review. Should that should say the storm water
authority or its representative or whatever it is. Is that isn't that something we have in there before or like so the authority is whether it's concom with wetlands or planning board under site plan review and I know that um conservation has a
certificate of completion for certain things like they have they have things that you know have to be completed in order to issue their certificate. So maybe it is something that planning board should have. I'm not sure. I'm not I guess I'd be curious to know what other towns do
because if this is language that is consistent with other towns then it sounds like other towns are doing it. Oh wait it says right here final report and certificate of completion right and then they give you the list upon the completion of work the applicant must submit a report. Yeah sure compliance condition storm
authority will issue a letter certifying completion upon receipt and approval of the final report. So we have to give a letter. Mhm. So like another form or a letter. Yeah, pretty much like it's going to be a letter saying that we're releasing it. So, yeah, that's what it said right there. We didn't read down far enough. So,
okay. Yeah, but it'll be a general it'll be a general one like I'm sure it's going to be like not a form, but it'll be like a template we're going to use just kind of like our conditions form. So, that's a new form. Yeah. Yeah. As far as you're concerned, it's a new form. by accident.
Just another but but honestly this is this is good that we're working through because we have the forms in our roles and rags and that's something we're redoing with Serpent. So and we we knew all along we wanted this to be done in conjunction with that. Yeah, if we have to do another form, label it
whatever it's going to be form like a sample online or something and and I guess we'd probably want it has to be the engineer from like our peer peer review would sign off on it and then pl I would assume. Yeah, if you can find
something. Yeah. Okay. Something. So, uh, same page, just the the contents like it has a list of a butters like that needs more detail. Is it going to be 300 ft? Is it going to be same as site plan? Cuz I can just add what it is
for site plan. Is it already [Music] because it has to specify is it 300 ft? Yeah, like a definitive Is that what it is for site plans? Just it's 300. Yeah,
there's nothing um in a statue about site plan. So, it's something that you can't the board came up with 300 ft and I think it's 500 for subdivisions. subdivision and
so so the conservation is like only 100. So so without more spec specificity I would think then if does 100 and plan board does 300 it would be whichever applies
whichever board it goes to. Yeah. I don't know. Well, because so you're responsible for getting those green cards back. Yes. So they have to have a list of abutters for you, but they must have to do the
same for Kong. So I would think so maybe just add the specificity of um Yeah, cuz this is going to be used for both, right? It wouldn't matter if it was Com or US. It's going to be whatever's in this. Right. Right. So,
do we have to specify 100 ft for concomts for planning board review? Well, I mean we could pick a number I guess, right? Doesn't matter. It's not really It's not site plan review, right? That's for our site plan review. But this this hope it does well. It will it will fall
into it. I mean, this is going to be, you know, concurrent. It's going to be included on our site plan review application. It's going to be included in the decision. It's really the same thing we've been doing all along. It's just a new bylaw to make sure that it happens as opposed to
sometimes happen. Yeah. I don't I don't know if we do it like you know list of a butters and you could get like a minimum of 100 ft or or whichever you know is required by board. I don't know like or how about just add as applicable and then it's left up to if it's a Hong Kong
then it's up to their regulations and then up to as as a by um what is it going what's the board like what with the board right the uh not the authority but you know what I
mean whatever board whatever board whatever by authority it's by governing board for application or something like that something something to like that effect that it's Like it's it's going to be based on whatever. Okay. We require, right? Based on
granting authority. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Board of granting authority or whatever. Yeah. Whatever the best legal term makes sense, right? What next?
Uh 7.4 inspection and maintenance agreements. Like what? I'm just curious. What is that? Is that the on andm? That's what I thought. Then is that the inspection? That that's the whole thing,
right? I've just never seen it like referred to like that. So 77 is operation maintenance plan. So, I don't think we need it in there twice. Wait, inspection and maintenance agreement as opposed to operation and
maintenance plan. Is that for like during construction? So, this is just supposed to be the contents though, right? Of what they're So, she needs to make sure she understands what she's gathering. Yeah. When
Inspection and maintenance agreements. I think maybe we ask Yeah. Do we take it out if it's not something we typically or could it be combined? Because the only thing is like the maintenance agreements is already down there in
number 77 right 7.7 do we just add operations and maintenance plans listing parties plan listing parties maintenance agreements maintenance schedule inspection yeah inspection schedule you can add almost add it in there I guess right
combine it all yeah unless I mean unless it's for something else right inspection and maintenance agreement operation and maintenance plan. I don't know. It reads as redundant to me, but
I guess we could ask Serped if we if they if this is something we could just take out, right? Mhm. Cuz part of their maintenance plan is going to be inspecting it, right? So, cuz they should at least Serpent should be familiar with what the state needs to see for this,
right? Like, I hope so. So at least if we can ask them and just see is this something we can take out are are we okay with taking it out? Yeah because you could again you could add in if you're worried we'd add the inspection down to 77. Right. Right. Just adding the you know including
anticipated sources of funding for operations inspections and maintenance. You know what I mean? You could just add inspections and maintenance. There you go. Just leave it like that and then get rid of them. Yeah. As long as it doesn't mean something else. I don't think Yeah. Okay. So ask ser and as long as we can
take it out just include that word in number 77. Uh next one page 11B review by town boards. Should those boards like be the same as in site plan because we have no sewer
commission or water commission. So I want to change that. So that's also that's the part that we asked Serpent to include in the rules and rags, but so maybe now we send an email followup to Serpent and just say, "Oh, we discussed last night and there's some changes to it. So don't
just insert it as written." I guess I think that was it. Yeah, cuz we don't call it board of public health. We just call it board of health, right? So take out public Yeah. We don't have a watering comm water commission.
And is it it's not department of public works. Yep. Is it? Yep. Okay. But they don't get they don't do they get they don't get site plan review. But I maybe I guess they see it. Yeah, they do with storm water. Oh, they do. Yeah. Okay. See, I don't even remember.
And I think we added open space back in. Yes. So, yeah. So, whatever. Just copy that list over. All right. Last thing was but we don't but that's part of the ones that were put into the rules and regs.
Yes, cuz he had said seven and eight should be. So even like what we just went through that section seven that we changed that. So we'll just have to make sure if guess the changes that we're making tonight too. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. And can I ask a
quick question about B that you're on review and comment by town boards. So is that's customary. 14 days of receipt shall be deemed lack of opposition. If we don't hear word that's okay. And I think typically there's only a few that
we really um consistently get comment back from. Select board fire department board of health conservation. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, most a lot of them as long as they don't see something wrong
with it and we don't get a comment back. Okay. Thank you. Sure. So we had talked about the consultant fees. So I just I did do that research this afternoon.
And as far as the for the peer review the 53G that's only adopted by the specific board. So the planning board did adopt it. Okay. However, the other one uh pursuant to
general law chapter 83 that is that authorizes towns to adopt rules and regs for the use of common sewers and drains which that does have to be done. So it does have to be included. Okay. So but do we have to include the whole thing or just the part that we
don't have? Uh you probably should just include the whole thing. So, we have to bring that to town meeting in spring. Well, it's going to be part of this. So, it's going to So, we'll just adopt it with the rules and regs. Yes. Okay. So, we don't have to adopt it at town meeting. Just through the rules.
Just through No, I think just through the bylaw. Through this bylaw, I believe. So, Oh, okay. Cuz I thought he was saying it was separate. Oh, but we can find that out. Make sure. Okay. Yeah. It's very confusing because the way that he so town council
had said that if we haven't done this we should do this and so Kathy did some research to see have we done it cuz obviously we get the peerreview funds right for the 53G but like she said there's a part that we have and the part that we don't.
So I thought that it was like a separate the way that he had attached it that we just adopted as that. But if we're supposed to include it in here and adopt it as part of the bylaw for storm water. So that's why it's good that so many people are looking at it because
everyone has like a different take. Sure. So Okay. Yeah. So you want to reach out to Greg Corvo since he's the one. Okay. Anything else? All right. So everything else seemed
straightforward already then. Okay, good. Thank you. Yes, thank you. That was all right. So, we'll wait and see if we get some comments or edits back from anybody. Yep. Mhm. Um address those couple edits, ask those
couple questions. I think it was two questions to Serped, one question to town council. Town council. Yeah. Was it more than one? Just the one to tell. Just the one. Okay. And do we want to put this back on for two weeks? Do you think that gives
enough time to Yeah, I'm fine with it. I mean, does that give you does that give does that give you enough time, Kathy? Uh, probably not. Just cuz I'm I'm on vacation next week. Okay. So
So we can push it off to November. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Which we have to discuss those dates. So Oh, yeah. Mhm. Why? Cuz the date that we picked last meeting is the town meeting date. Oh. Oh.
So we have to revisit that. Oh well. But we'll get there. All right. Um agenda item number two. Yep. We have planning board goals. It's been a while since we looked at this. Yes. Think thankfully we have a light road this evening. It's been a couple
years I think since we've got public hearing. Yeah. It's a great thing, isn't it? Right. Yeah. Maybe we can get some work done on these things that we haven't touched. The good thing is out of these we have a couple in pro progress still. Mhm. Um so just quickly going down the list
yearly review of planning board goals to ensure goals are being met. That's ongoing. Um to establish individual goals for support staff. That's uh the note was to combine it with the above and it's going to be ongoing. Uh number three, review current zoning
map to ensure compatibility with existing uses. Uh this is something that the last note from um Nancy Derey, the former town planner is the um the BSU student was able to revise the zoning map. Um, I think we still wanted to do
um a deep dive and see if there were some areas that had to um be recognized and then go through town meeting with the process um to put it through GIS, right? Well, because it's expensive.
So, there was two parts of it. So there's inconsistency between the language in the bylaws compared, you know, for the zoning boundaries compared to what's shown on the map. And those two things are supposed to be consistent. So we have to get it consistent at some like but this is
something where when we have a town planner in place, that's something we can work towards. I don't see us being able to do it, you know, without that sort of um assistance unless it slows down like this and Kathy has time to put towards it, but that's uh yet to
be seen. Um number four, establish tracking and map of buildable land area. That was a goal that we had placed because um one of the safe harbor requirements for 40B uh safe harbor was the 1.5 buildable
land area. We had checked with Serpent. They can't do it, but we you know Nancy Dar had asked maybe that's something we could look into BSU again in the future. Once again, planner. So these are like planner planner uh
review use chart and zoning bylaws. Um, I'd love to get a chance to do that. Um, I think that needs public input um as well before we undertake that. Um, so another thing that'll take some
time. I'm trying to remember what that was. So, in the use chart, it says, you know, what's allowable in each of the um zoning? Oh, right. Right. Okay. Y So, I know it there's a lot of things that
just aren't listed and it just falls under business and Yeah. Maybe we want to So, this is probably something that's going to tie in with the economic development um feedback survey, too. Yeah, it probably would. So, this would be ongoing. I I I would
say maybe by the spring or uh summer, you know, we might want to revisit that, right? Well, because that so yeah, part of Europe is that we have money and the town got money to make a study
and plan for that. Number six is create a senior housing overlay district. Um this is something that I assume we may be talking about on the 14th with the select board. with the developer for the Lakeville Country Club. I know the goal is senior housing
in that area. Has that been confirmed? The the date? Yep. 6:00. 6 p.m. Um Oh, Kathy, were you able to post it? Excellent. Thank you. Okay, good. The 14th. What day? Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday. Okay. Tuesday at 6 p.m.
Yeah. Joint meeting with the SL board. I think it's here. I didn't even um Council on the Aging. I'll send out the next week. the notice Tuesday. Yep. Okay. So, COA 6 PM next week. All right. Um number seven, review planning board
rules and rags. So, that's what we have um right now with SURPED. We've got Yep. the funding for Serped to do. So, we do have that ongoing. Number eight, hold on combined meeting with CPA incom.
Um yeah, the hope was December yearly. So if we have a slow time, maybe that's something we could do this year. Okay. Um is because we only have one meeting in December. Oh, yeah. And we only have one meeting in November. November potentially.
Christmas is the second Thursday, right? Right. And New Year's. Yeah. It depends. The third that Yeah. Right. Yeah. For if we want or New Year's Eve, whatever you want to call it. I guess we can throw it out there to Hong Kong. Mhm.
See if they want to do a joint meeting. Uh can't hurt and then CPC I can bring it to CPC. Um but if we only have one meeting in December, it's going to be Yeah. So like
December 11th is our only meeting in December because it's the Christmas is the other one. What about January? 8th January 8th and uh 22nd. Why don't we do January? I'll give some time that way, you know,
cuz is anything going to come up? Is any coming up? So, it's hard to tell. Yeah. Yeah. No ADUs. No one's going to ADU for Christmas. I would think maybe J maybe the first meeting in January we could try with
CPC. I'll see if that if people have the availability. Let's just do that because who knows what's going to come between the next few meetings, next few months. So yeah, cuz I mean if January, we're looking at spring and that's where this stuff usually starts coming in. So
I I think that's why we had talked about December. There's only three meetings left in the year. Yeah. So you want me to throw it out to CPC? Yep. Okay, if you can ask that would be great. And um
then we'll just have to find out what their schedule is. And I'll offer either the December or January and just see. What was it? What was the date? January. 8th. January 8th.
Okay. Um, number nine, implementation of ma applicable master plan goals. Communicate this goal regularly. We did meet with master plan, so that's good. Um, I feel like we can toss that one off to next year because this one says December yearly,
but we did it in Does anyone remember? Was it August? July. July summer. I think it was July. July of 25. Uh number 10, adopt storm water
management bylaw. Here we are hopefully spring town meeting. We'll bring that. Number 11, zoning ch zoning change request process. Uh that was something we discussed establishing a process for um zoning
change requests instead of just going through the citizen petition route which doesn't necessarily get a town council review. So we should come up with a process. I know I had reached out to the select board at one point, but I think things were just hectic and it didn't
come about. Um, I can try or Kathy, do you want I don't know if you want to try Do you want me to reach out? I can I could probably resend my email that I've sent a couple times or Yeah. doesn't hurt. Okay. and
email. Uh 12 explore agricultural district. This I think is another thing planner related. We do have a right to farm bylaw now. We do. And I think they're I think they were talking about putting up the signs
at the select board meeting. Oh, that was a while ago about a month ago, I think. But yeah, I don't Yeah, cuz I'm sure they send them out to get processed and everything. I don't know. I thought it was on the meeting.
I don't think Frank's there making them. No. Yeah, I know. He would order it and then put them up, but I I thought that was on the meeting, but yeah, they talk about the meeting. They didn't we have a joint meeting with them and then they weren't they talking about those? Yeah.
Yeah. No, you're right. Was it at the meeting that we were at? Yeah, I thought so. I was sitting there. He was talking that uh Yeah, cuz they they were determining how many needed to be produced at the entrances of each area coming into town, right? And then there was also the Purple Heart
town signage as well. That was another thing. So, yeah, I would assume it's Yeah. being done. It's just going to take time. Uh number 13, remove and redo mixed use. Another planner thing.
Uh monthly updates from Serpentid Rep. And that's David. He's not here, but yeah, that's a good reminder that we haven't even been asking him for the updates, but I'm sure if there's something he would share it. Um, and then just my quick
little notes, I I kind of added, you know, town planner should be right at the top. That's a that's still a master plan goal that we're trying to achieve. Yep. Um, OSRD cuz that's not on here anymore. So, we have that in progress now. um
which Kathy is going to speak to under admin update and accessory apartment just to kind of keep it on the radar cuz we did talk about revisiting in um 20206. Yeah, spring. I'd say maybe fall.
Fall out then. Okay. Yeah, because just to wait and see how things land shake up at a state level. Yep. anything else that we should add on? Yeah. So, um put something on their
monthly updates regarding uh economic development committee. Um can we just add it with that? Serpent. Yeah. Monthly updates for SER. Maybe we just put monthly updates from uh Oh, yeah. Committee committee
committee committee updates something to that effect. Yeah. Have they formed Crack? No. Okay. Got my Got my letter, but I was saying that was part of it, but other than that, that took like a while to go. I was I was that I was like, am I missing something? Well, keep like looking for heard anything on it. So, yeah. And I hadn't either.
All right. Um, but I I still think that's something that we need a planner in place in order to really you know, help facilitate any of these things. Um, yeah. What else? Did you have something else? No, that was it.
Okay. If you don't uh you listen to all the comments made during the meeting, uh if we don't get that planning manager on board, too, we're going to end up with a screeching hole. Well, we're trying. I Well, I I know that.
Yeah. All right. Um anything else on this? Any questions, comments, concerns on this? Demoing the Lakeville Hospital priority one. Yeah. Okay. So,
that's good. No, this is good. So, how often how often should we be reviewing these? I mean, ideally, it would be monthly. Monthly. But if we have threeh hour, two hour meeting, we're not going to go through this. Okay. Should be at least quarterly, right, though? Quarterly at least. Yeah.
If we can. Yeah. All right. As it was busy though for the It was busy busy the last like year and a half. I know. It's crazy. Yeah. All right. So, we'll make the updates to this, I guess. Yeah. Do you want to make updates? Okay. And then, um, thank you.
Get it on again. If it's slow, aim for next monthish. Okay. And if not, the beginning of next year. All right. Agenda item number three, approve July 24th, 2025 and September
11th, 2025 meeting minutes. I did not have any comments for either one. Okay. I circled one thing cuz I was like, is that like is that a on the bottom? So for um July 24th, page four,
that was a hell of a meeting. Yeah, it was a long one. But the Oh, yeah. The last paragraph on that page in the middle of the paragraph, it said noted if a child was trying to build some equity. I was like I had to read it like 12 times and then I realized no he really did say if a child and he meant
like you know a grown child he didn't mean a child but like when I read it I had to read it over and over again like a child trying to build equity are using AI to translate this Kathy but that really was what he said so yep all right
yeah so I'll make a motion to approve the July 24th 2025 and September 11th 2025 I have meeting minutes as stated as drafted. Drafted. All right. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor? I.
Motion carries. Minutes are approved. Agenda item number four, possible uh administrative update, possible vote. OSRD update. Kathy. So, we got the grant. Super exciting. um
for the board for the town and I just got the email that the kickoff meeting is October 17th I think it is. It's a Friday. So made the paper next Friday.
Nice. Is in the paper I think. Oh, cool. Right there. Oh, that's the economic plan. Oh, the economics. Different grant. This Yeah, I know. We got Well, that's right. This was a different plan grant, right? This one is for the OSRD. So, remember we we talked about
using serpent hours for the OSRD to kind of tie it up, but at least this gives us another avenue. We don't have to use the hours and we can use as much time as this grant allows to hopefully have OSRD for spring.
Give the people something to vote on. That would be awesome. I want to have something that I feel good about. Yeah. It might be potentially a very long meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I it's all good though.
Like I don't want to re I don't want to like do it all over again, but I'm curious to see what they have to say because like we've gone through the process with Bord with Kong. So yeah. So there were a lot of things like in that thing I had printed up for you from
that meeting and it's like the best practices. So I feel like they'll probably be adding those types of things in it. Right. Right. Yeah. Or at least asking our feedback. How do we want to go with this or that? Yeah. Cool.
All right. Bellaway. So, um, we reached out to town council to see what can be done to resolve these issues and just awaiting a response on that. Okay. So, we'll just keep it under admin
update. I guess who my my question is who who monitors HOAs anyways? Like who monitors that? Like I know there's an assurity there so you can try to take that but like where like who monitors that anyway? Cuz I
know when I lived on one Mhm. like SW I mowed it cuz it was like as and it spissed mine the my neighbor's property and I did it but it was like no one was there to do it. So I'm like I'm just wondering like who enforces it? I know he I know that the I'm on the emails. It just keeps coming in, but I
don't like we can't I can't go like he said I can't go and tell someone to to mow their lawn, you know, like I think, right? I think it's it's self-monitoring as far as I know. You know, HOAs like that's why people are sticklers in an HOA because they're all paying into the HOA to take care of this and take care
of that and that. So, if my neighbor's not doing what he's supposed to, of course I'm going to be like, he's not part of the HOA. Exactly. So, I guess it's that's the issue is it becomes a civil matter, I assume. So, we'll see what Yeah. Um I don't even know if he has a civil case because it's not like it's it's what he
what he deems as an ice. I understand I guess it all depends on what was on the plans. Like I looked at the plans and I was like there wasn't I'm trying I mean I haven't been down there in a while, but you can like Google Google Earth has been down there like I think recently, but it's like you see the Yeah. Like and you can't go down that street. So, I have to tell I have to take a I
was almost on the way here. I was like, am I early enough to drive by there and come back? I didn't have time. Jack, were you going to say something? Yes. I mean, having lived in Pine Hills for 12 years, having lived here for 5 years, I can tell you the home the
homeless association in both communities, they have a manager and they go around and they make sure that for instance, you can't have fake flowers. Can't have flowers in front of your your driveway, in front of the garage in case of the
flower. So they I can go on and on and on, but the homeowner management association manages the properties. In these two cases, they do it very well. Some to the degree of some of the homeowners, but they do it very well.
But in this particular development, there's three homes, right? Right. Yeah. It's a lot different. So that's a tough one. Yeah. Do you appoint a president in that association that is
Yeah. Well, so so we did um request advice from town council. So we'll get that and share it. Yeah. Some of the stuff he had brought up before was like obviously that was issues cuz like the what it wasn't finished. It wasn't completed but now it's like I guess it's the
maintenance of it but I just don't know. So Kathy did reach out to Com because that was part of their um jurisdiction. So, we'll see what they say to I think did you hear back if the agent was out there? Um, the last couple of days have been Yeah.
Uh, I know I think he did go out there. I I don't think cuz I know one of the complaints had been, well, not the complaints, one of the observations with Jamie is was the silt fence was like really hard to remove remove. And Nancy said that they
typically kind of just crush them and they kind of just go back. I don't know. So, I think they were going to look at that to see if that needed to be done or I guess the what it looked like that. I'm not sure. The the silk fence going along that
driveway. I mean, it was like collapsed in a lot of areas and so forth. So, by whatever means Yeah. So, then that would be if it something that needed to be removed, that would be their jurisdiction. Yep. I mean, a three home is going to be tough to manage. That's for sure.
Because the two that I've been in, there's when you sign you sign the deed, there's a whole set of rules and regulations for the homeowner that you have to adhere to and you if you don't, you get fined and you get fined again. They put a lean on the house. So, I
don't can't see that happening on a three home HOA. But right if they want to develop a set of rules and regulations in anticipation, is there an ability for the that area to develop more than three? No.
10. No. Well, and I that's it's going to be tough to put together home and regulate, you know, for just three homes. Yeah. Well, I mean, we have the agreement. It was part of um the approval back in 2020. So, we'll just
we're waiting on town council's advice and we'll go from there and we'll keep it on under admin update. Um, the next one is five Harding Kathy. Five Harding. So, they're ready to get going. There was some type of an issue
with the bond. We kind of went back and forth with it. So, I haven't heard back um the applicant's suggestion put in a suggestion which seemed to be okay with town council, but I don't have
that updated bond yet. So, I'm going to reach out to the applicant tomorrow just check the status on that. Okay. Yeah. And yeah, I think we want to just I mean, as long as they're trying to comply, I don't think we should be holding them up. They'll let us know if
there is any further issues and we'll try to, you know, if we have to take a vote on something and we'll see what we can do. Um, 10 Harding Street update. So, 10 Harding Street, they are they're they're rocking and rolling over there.
So, they uh, you know, they began work. They um, were ready for that open hole inspection. So, I reached out to Bills and Thomas, who was the peer reviewer. We got a proposal for a couple of inspections, the review of the ASB bill,
and they're supposed to coordinate that all. So, we really worked hard to keep it within the money that the applicant had deposited. As you remember that meeting was a little bit um so we really did work hard to put that proposal together within that those
that amount. So, good. Good. Great. Yep. Moving forward. That's always good. Um next up uh update on economic development committee. Yeah sure. So um the economic
development committee met on September 15th um and uh we went through several areas. Um you know it's a good working group. you know, we started to discuss the um
some questions that were put together for the residential as well as the uh business survey. Um so the thought is um to expand that survey from 10 questions
to up to 20 questions. Um and the reason being behind that is you know the town has grown. there's some additional questions that we could ask that would be a little bit more heavyhitting in terms of, you know, what the town could be doing better, you know, what the residents would like to see in some
other open-ended areas. So, that's that's some of the main focus. Um, we do intend on um going over those areas again um at our next meeting. Um we also um discussed you know some of the other
areas with regards to that survey. Uh you know what I was hearing after doing some benchmarking with other towns is you know paper surveys are out. Everybody's going electronic. However, you want to be cognizant of older residents that you know might not feel
comfortable or not own an electronic device to fill out the survey. So, um, we'll have some, uh, paper copies available over at the town hall as well as the senior. Go ahead. My my suggestion just cuz I actually noticed um so the Namaset
like a lot of like that's an accessible thing not to put the survey in the Namask but maybe have a um advertisement an advertisement saying go to the senior center for copies of the survey or and include a QR code so the people that are techsavvy can QR code it right there
from the paper and then the people who aren't can actually go down cuz I want to say that's a great suggestion I noticed in the namask the recent edition had the scam the Lakeville scam that we talked about and how we said you know if you could put in the paper did
did you send that email did you ask or no they they did it I no I didn't okay so so somebody got it in the paper so that's good at least that was so sorry to interrupt you just made me think of the paper I'm glad but this also ties in to the other thing you know that you know not
only having it at the senior center and other areas you know, do we anticipate there'll be a lot? Probably not, but you know, that we're making as, you know, inclusive as possible. Now, to go along with um the uh newspaper,
there will be a QR code. So, the nice part is somebody will be able to scan that in, you know, fill out the survey very quickly. So, the thought was, well, how would we get that survey out? You know, what's the right timing? And the right timing would be, you know, in January
when the tax bills and the other survey for the dog licenses and everything go out as well. So, you going to try to include it like a buck slip or something like a piece of paper just to slip in there, you know, a red one or a green one,
something that stands out so that folks will see it. Now, the timing is going to be tough because January is upon us and so do we know do we think it will be ready by January? Probably not just because of the timing. Is it the questions that aren't ready or
what? Well, it's more so that we need more time to discuss make sure everything is together. But, you know, we don't know because again, it factors into cost. So, you know, is it going to cost more to have this printed up and the bills?
Yeah, the bills are go out by a vendor, not it's not being stuffed, you know. So that was the thing. So with CP when CPA passed, we were trying to find the best way to let people know and that was a an issue was like, oh, we really can't insert like we were hoping to insert
something and then we couldn't. So I don't know, you'll have to let me know how that Yeah. So I mean there there's various different modes of advertising. I mean it would be great to do it in that but if not I mean it's already been posted on the website in terms of that you know
you're looking we're looking to do a survey so I know uh the EDC chair uh Lorine Carboni uh posted something on the 16th of September just to kind of give residents a heads up. There'll be Facebook advertisements so it the the
word will get out. I I think you know it's not a lost cause if you can't get it out you know in January. But um yeah so more will be um discussed regarding that. Uh excellent news that came through about a
state funded grant of 94,000 from the one in the paper. Yeah that's a lot of money um from the rural development fund from the commonwealth of Massachusetts. So that was awarded um we have not had the opportunity to discuss it yet. So uh
just in terms of the details and but more will be um available um to come very soon. Uh the other thing we discussed was the Lakeville uh business guide. So this would be more so of a marketing piece or prospectus piece that
will go to um you know area businesses. they'll live at the town hall or those that are inquiring uh talks about the various incentives of why to come to Lakeville. Um you know, we're going to
have additional conversations um about, you know, possible consultants that can help us develop some um tactics for this business guide. Um we're not sure if Serped's going to assist with those efforts, but it will be rolled up as part of the grant, I'm sure. um as you
know the the group develops. So um our next meeting will be it's tenative but October 20th at this point um and hopefully we'll have more information next month. Hey Dean um for getting the survey I might suggest you get a hold of Lori
Fee. She's the manager at the senior center there and have her put it in the newsletter. This newsletter goes out. You a million of us old folks. Hey, hey, what can I tell you? It is what it is,
Jack. That's a another great suggestion. Um, it is because I mean, let's I mean, a lot of these folks don't go and get the Manass newspaper, you know, they don't they don't go to the bank or they don't get it here. They don't get it here. Is that is that printed and electronic?
Pardon me. Is that printed and electronic that Lori sends out? Yes, both. Okay. They just have to they just have to make sure that a plenty of subscribe to it and it's my understanding that the majority of the old folks do
folks do it. So yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll send an email out to her. Thanks for the suggestion. Um I mean that you got that's I think that's one of the better avenues to get a hold of the old folks. Yeah, sounds good. So is Shorth on that? He
is. Yep. Yeah. He's he's going to be like like Yeah. So good on that because I think of Tata downtown like what they did and it would be great to see some oh my god rejuvenation of just the existing businesses. If you you know if you want
to bring new business let's you know help the existing ones be able to do some facelifting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. Yeah. Absolutely. So yeah, I mean there's a
there's a lot of good energy and like I said, it's a good team um that's been assembled. Lots of folks are kind of, you know, just a lot of great ideas are coming out of this and I'm hoping that, you know, more will come out of it. Um
this grant is just dovetailing very nicely. It's going to really help um you know jumpst start this committee and hopefully get some more um you know good progress here for the town. Yep. Absolutely. So keep us updated next time next uh
we'll do next meeting. Um agenda item number five. Our next meeting it says is October 23rd, 2025, but we also have a meeting this Tuesday, October 14th at 6 p.m. It's a joint meeting with the select board at the COA. Oh COA.
Um You hear that, Jack? COA Tuesday. COA Tuesday 14 14 and 23. Got it. Okay. And um also we had previously discussed a meeting in November.
Uh we talked because uh the 13th wasn't available here. So we talked about the 12th, but it turns out the 12th is the town meeting date. So, um, Serpent had asked about having a meeting regarding the rules and regulations.
Mhm. Um, in November. So, my in talking to Kathy, we were thinking maybe um the 6th. Did you Were you able to check on Okay. So, we we don't know if this is available. The other option is if we
don't have any public hearings to open that night. Um, and if the Bedford Street one continues out farther, like I think it depends on what happens with that potentially maybe we can just do a Zoom. So even if even if it's not available, even better. So it depends on if it's available on the 6 or not. But if if not, we'll just
keep it at the 13th, our second Thursday uh meeting. This the first Thursday. Well, the the second Thursday, too. Second Thursday. The 13th. Sorry. Yeah. So like if we can't do it here or like if there's no meeting space available maybe we can just do it on Zoom but we'd we'd have to
see if late 143 and 13. So the the November meetings are kind of up in the air because that second one is third um Thanksgiving. So we do need to just kind of um nail down whether we can meet the 6th or the 13th. Is that do both of those
those work? Dates work? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. All right. So hopefully one of those we can get to work whether it's zoom y or in person. All right. Any other business? Nope. All right. Would someone like to motion?
I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor? I. Meeting is adjourned.