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Good evening. Welcome to the Thursday, May 28, 2026 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board. It is 6:30 p.m. and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street. It it we have Lake Cam recording this evening. Is anyone else recording

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for the record? hearing none. Uh we do have a quorum this evening. Um just to let everyone know, we did lose a member. John Cabraw did resign as of yesterday. So we are down to uh the four of us. So we are full at this time and the uh

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select board will be advertising for an associate member as well as an unexpired two-year seat. So if anyone is interested, keep that in mind. Um, the first item on our agenda is a public hearing, 6:30 p.m. site plan review,

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accessory dwelling unit, ADU, 57 Kingman Street upon the application for an ADU site plan review and approval submitted by Ryan Bartalada for a proposed 784 ft twotory garage and ADU possible vote.

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So, you're welcome to come up. have the >> I know that there were some revisions made. >> Yes, I do have copies. >> Okay. Um you want to put them right over Oh, are these >> these are the plans that were asked for?

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>> Okay, we >> the stand. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If you want a copy or >> Sure. Yeah. Um I think we have them. >> Okay. But I just wanted to I have >> Okay.

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Yeah. Yeah, cuz I know it's we have the ones. >> These are the stamps, >> but those aren't the stamps. >> And we also >> made it a little smaller to >> Right. Okay. >> the size. >> Perfect. So, if you want to just uh state your name for the record.

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>> My name is uh Seth Ferrer. >> Welcome. And um so, like you mentioned, there was a revision to the size based off of the existing >> correct >> dimensions of the existing dwelling. Um

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Kathy did send a draft decision over to you. >> I Yes, I believe she sent that to um the contractor. >> Okay. Have Have they had a chance to review it? Was everything good with it? >> Yes, as far as I assume. Yes. >> Okay. Um

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so she did draft a decision. Um they have addressed any changes. Does anyone have any questions at this point? >> I do not. And the contractor is New England Outdoor. >> Correct. >> Okay.

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>> All right. So, if um someone would like to make a motion to approve the ADU with the conditions as drafted. >> I make a motion to approve the accessory dwelling unit for 57 Kingman Street as drafted. >> Second.

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>> Motion and a second. All in favor? >> I >> I >> I. Motion carries. And would someone like to close that public hearing? >> I'd make a motion to close out the public hearing for 57 Kingman Street. >> And in a second, all in favor? >> I.

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>> All right. He's closed. You're all set. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. That's it. >> I don't know if you need >> um >> Yeah, you can have that one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you can take that one. >> Okay. So we'll have somebody >> two here. That's okay.

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>> Oh, there it is. >> It was 79%. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. So you must have >> another one. >> No, no, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, that's fine. We also have the electronics. So >> I'll have u the decision signed. It'll be in the office and >> we can be in touch. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Yes. >> Agenda item number two. We have a public hearing. Site plan review accessory dwelling unit 55 Longpoint Road. upon the application for an ADU site plan review and approval submitted by Derek

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Maxi for proposed 900 foot ADU above a garage. Possible vote. I do have a public hearing notice to read into the rec record. The Lakeville Planning Board, pursuant to the Town of Lakeville Code bylaws, Chapter 270, Section 270-6.7C

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7, will hold a public hearing on Thursday, May 28th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street. The purpose of the public hearing will be to receive information and public comment on the following site plan review accessory dwelling unit application. 55 Longpoint

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Road. The applicant, Derek Maxi, seeks site plan review and approval for an accessory dwelling unit, ADU. The ADU will be 900 square foot above a garage. The application and assorted documents can be viewed in the planning department by appointment. Would someone like to motion to open that hearing?

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>> Uh, make a motion to uh open the public hearing for 55 Longpoint Road. Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? >> I I The hearing is open. Welcome. >> Hello. How you doing, folks? Thanks for being up there because it takes a lot of time from your daily life to be here

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serving the public. Uh and so yeah, so basically what I a while back I went in front of what's your name for the record? >> Oh, Derek Py 55 Long Drive. I forget that. >> Uh and I don't know if you remember, but last time I went to zone board of appeals to build a garage, an oversized

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garage, and I was granted that permit. And and in that permit, I did let them know that I would be coming forward with an ADU for the ZBA. So, that's why I'm here today. And uh and basically what I'd like to do is put a 900 foot ADU

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above my garage. Uh right now, I have a just so you know, I have a three-bedroom septic system with I'm only using I only have a one-bedroom house. So, we're going to be tying into that system there. And it was brought to my attention two day uh two days ago that the water needed to be tested. I've been living

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there for four years. I don't know where this came from, but it was never an issue, but I will take care of that. A matter of fact, I talked to the well guy today. Within a few days, he's going to have it tested to do that. I believe they have it. They just can't find it. >> Okay. >> So, but and so that's why I'm here today. >> All right. Great. So, uh we did have

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feedback from conservation commission. They saw no issue with it. Um the fire chief did review it. Just he had no issue with it. We do have a standard condition that he'll have to just >> ensure that everything is all set. He wants to see um you know the proper

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numbering uh identification for safety purposes as well as access. >> Um that's just one of our standard conditions for the ADUs at this point. >> Okay. >> Um and like you mentioned, the board of health did say that they had some um concerns. Y >> um >> so

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I'd like to hear from the board otherwise I think we can continue draft a set of conditions and wait until board of health finalizes. But if there's any um questions, concerns from the board, >> this is for a 900 square foot.

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>> Yeah. So, my only my only um question is I know it says um dashed area. Uh could you list out those dimensions? >> Dashed area. >> Yeah. So, it's hard to see in the in the small plans. You can see it in the big set of plans. >> Okay.

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But if you could just add the dimensions on. >> Okay. >> To the to the site plan. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> And otherwise. >> So So the existing house is 1,800 over 1,800 ft². >> Yeah. It's actually it's 2700 ft. The

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existing >> and it's one bedroom. >> Yeah. >> It's got Yeah. whole Well, cuz it's only the wife and I live in there. So we don't want to have any more bedrooms. You know what happens when you have more bedrooms? They come home. >> Yep. So the the um >> it's it's an old barn. I don't know if you guys remember. It's the old barn on

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Longpoint Road. >> Okay. >> So, >> and and it qualifies as a one-bedroom unit. >> Yes. Well, that's all we put down. >> One bedroom house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the septic system will serve >> and I'm sure that's what the board of health reviewing. >> So, do you have any questions? You want

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to see this as a blown view? >> Yeah. I'm looking at >> We like the big plans. >> Easy on the eyes. >> Thank you. Uh, what else is there? Yeah, that's a that's a picture of the house of just

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see how big it is. It used to be an old World War I training camp, believe it or not, back in the day. >> And uh >> Oh, yeah. I remember seeing that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I got those. >> All right. So, if Does any no other

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questions? Do we want to >> Yeah, I don't have any okay questions. >> So that's the only thing for me is I just want to see the dimensions of the proposed data you shown. >> Um otherwise you seem to have everything else covered. >> There's quite a checklist. >> See? >> Yeah. Right. >> It's pretty comprehensive which I think

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helps everybody. >> Helps us. >> Any public concern that >> um >> so just >> Yeah. Do we have any uh public comments, questions? >> All right. Do do we wait for the uh

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house department to before we close out? >> Yeah. >> Right. So, I'm just going to look for a date that um so are are they still meeting on Wednesdays? Is it the third Wednesday? >> I don't know if they have uh I'll have the test probably. He said it takes about 48 hours to turn it around. >> Okay.

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>> The water test. >> So, is the first meeting in June too soon? >> No, I think that'll be fine. >> So, June 11th. >> If it is, I'll ask to continue, but it should be fine. >> Okay. Would someone like to continue this public hearing till June 11th? >> I would like to make a motion that we

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continue uh this hearing for 55 Long Point Road uh till June 11th. >> Second. >> Motion in a second. All in favor? >> I motion carried >> again. Thank you guys for everything. Appreciate >> you in a couple weeks. >> Yep.

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>> All right. Agenda item number three. We have an ANR plan 92 Taton Street, Selva Engineering Associates. Possible vote. Um, somebody coming. >> Is anybody here from 92? >> So, no one's here for this

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ANR. >> Okay. Well, >> wasn't this on was this on our agenda before for this one? >> No. >> No. Okay. Now, this was kind of a a late I don't want to say a late submitt, but it just had to be on

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this agenda so that we didn't miss the 21 days. >> Mhm. >> Um >> Oh, right. Right. >> I I only had two questions for this applicant. I don't know if anybody has any other questions.

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Um but it it looks like they're pretty much covered. Um there's portion of the lot that is in Taton portion in Lakefell. They do have the uh area for Taton and planning board to review and sign. Um it looks like

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there are two sheds within the setbacks that will be created and I just wanted to know what's happening with those sheds. Are they something that can be moved? Is it something they're going to go uh through ZVA for um >> relief? I'm not sure. >> Um

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>> yeah. And um I I was curious to know where the well is located or if they're tied into water. I didn't see if that was um >> Yeah, that was um that's >> So those are my two questions. Does

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anyone have any other questions? >> Oh, the septic is existing septic. So that's right because this one um >> so at this point I'm going to I'd like to we'll wait. >> We're going to have to continue >> and I'm going to we're not going to um

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>> Yep. >> We're going to pause this item. The next item if they show up we'll take them at that point. Another I mean it it's it's it's an oddity but you know the set

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side setback one side setback is in Lakeville. Does Tauntton's side set back govern the piece that's on their side? >> No. So it's they just have to be approved by both planning and uh Lakeville and >> Ton. I was just I was just, you know, in

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terms of zoning, is this Tata's setback on this side and our setback on the other? >> You know what I mean? >> Oh, >> so there's there's no specific guidance as far as I could see in um the

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subdivision control law. So, it looks like they're covered. They they have the disclaimers that says it's uh no determination as to compliance with zoning. So that uh will be left up to zoning enforcement.

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>> Y >> but as far as I can see everything seems to have been covered um exceptions but >> I mean I I think it's relatively obvious that they that they fulfilled zoning. I

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I just kind of wondered, you know, if if Taon has a different sideyard setback. >> I'm sure it's lesser. >> Is is is that the one that governs their side and we govern our side or, you know, >> the lot from what it the way I read it

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is the lot has to just be conforming to both. So, as long as they are conforming to Taton's planning board, uh, zoning guidelines. >> Yeah. something I had I hadn't run into before, >> right? >> Never did something right on the right

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on the boundary. >> Yep. It was a first for me, too. That's why I look check the >> check the law. So, we're going to leave this one open. >> Okay. >> And uh come back to it if somebody shows up. Uh agenda item number four, meet with Serpid regarding rules and regulations

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update. >> Welcome, Taylor. How are you? >> Good. >> How are you doing? >> How are you? >> I'm good. Uh, for the record, my name is Taylor Grez. I'm the director of housing and research at the Southeastern

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Regional Planning and Economic Development District, otherwise known as Surveyor Regional Planning Agency. Um, I don't have any major updates for the rules and regulations because we are still waiting on legal feedback, which we are anticipated to receive by close

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of business tomorrow. Um, in the interim, is there anything that you folks would like to bring to my attention? >> Just minor things. >> Sure. >> For me, >> that's fine. >> Um, >> yeah, this So, this is great. First of

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all, I know like it's a long document. >> You left a lot of what we had. You built upon it. You heard the feedback. You did a great job. Thank you. I appreciate it. Um on page 11 there was just

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a a spelling >> oh >> board. Thank you. >> Under certification of plans. >> Great. >> And then on page 13 >> and I know this is how we have it worded. >> Mhm. >> But when I was reading it I'm like well

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maybe does this make sense? So under site plan review minor and major >> Mhm. Is that the Is that the best we can do? Like um the way that it says site plan review minor $500 and then major up to

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three acres. >> I'm sure we had some logic behind that. >> Sure, but we'd like to rephrase. >> But yeah, >> are you looking to be more specific? >> I I think it was we weren't going to I don't know why it says up to three acres from a major because to me that would be

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minor up to three acres, you know. Um, but I'm sure there was a logic that I haven't went back to research and try to figure out what it was. Um, okay. Let's I will plan to reevaluate that, which is I'm glad you're telling me because it'll be easy to do while I'm

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waiting for feedback. Um, and that'll be an easy question to ask them if I need to. >> Okay. >> Um, but I will make a note of that as well. So, yeah, I can definitely review that. And um >> do we have similar towns that have this type of split um

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site plan review? >> Yeah, we've seen it where it's >> in terms of how they're wording it. >> Sometimes it'll be, you know, maybe it's a different um like major comes to you folks and minor might be like administrative or something. Um, but it depends on the community, but I can

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certainly compare um with the ones that we outlined in your fee schedule way back when um because those also will clearly define if they have different, you know, tiers and whatnot. Um, so I can take a look at that and provide some options. >> Yeah, because even if we just spec what

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like maybe just gave it a little better >> Sure. >> Yeah. I mean, what happens if somebody comes in with something that's four acres? >> Yeah. Well, because I mean >> also taking into consideration if you know losing Kathy that's kind of a big deal. So someone new I want everything

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to just be >> straightforward that anybody knew coming in. >> Yeah. >> But the fee schedule looks good. The um >> oh >> other things there look great. I I thought look fine. >> On page 14. >> Mhm.

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>> Under talks about the fees. Uh it's a third paragraph down. >> Yep. uh she'll be deposited with the town clerk. So >> I actually I remember when I was writing this I was like is this >> I think the person >> treasurer but once again

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>> treasurer of of what the >> but I'm not I'm not 100%. >> Okay, I will double check. >> And I wish you know like I said I this is one of those things that Kathy deals with and I can't >> you love Kathy. >> I know you got a lot of love for her.

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Yeah. >> Um I will triple check that just to be sure. Um >> yeah, I'll triple check. >> And then um No, did you already check it? Was it If you had checked it, I don't want to make >> I I did like a once over because um you

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know, I think someone or some other um regulations I looked at also reference their town clerk and that seems to be the person who, you know, takes on. I will I would rather be safe. So I will check. I will make a note of it. >> I Yeah, I'm just I'm not sure. It costs nothing to look twice.

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>> Okay. And then um up above where it says anything else, is that for us or is that for council? >> That was for council if there was anything else that was appropriate um in terms of utilizing outside consultant services. And that's where I asked specifically about enforcement and how that can be utilized if at all through

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you know this this type of um >> right >> process. Awesome. >> Y um >> the other Oh, I'm sorry. >> No, go ahead. Uh the other question I had was for page 26, >> item I that was highlighted for required

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submitts within 6 months. Is that um waiting for council? Is that why it's highlighted? >> Mhm. Just double check. >> Yep. >> Um Oh, page 23 on number 20 where it talks about the

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location of the street trees to be retained will be determined in the field by DPW director. Mhm. >> Could we just add the same um cross reference as page 47? >> Yep. >> Because I think that's only an instance

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where the roads are going to be accepted, >> right? Where they're out there. I'm doing more, >> which thank you for adding that again. That's that was one of most of the questions that I I posed to council were kind of in the regards to the process and the appropriate way to

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delineate it. um yeah, so that it's clear where it kind of kicks in and where it doesn't. So, I'll outline that. >> But I made a note here for that. >> And that's huge cuz that's definitely something we wanted out of this. Um

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under page 28, J recording, I think just um the third line down, the applicant shall deliver to the board. I think just the word board was left out. >> Gotcha. Um >> and then I had I had asked can we look

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at the L asbelt um because this is talking about asbelt for street acceptance but generally even with a private row we do get the aselt and have peer review. So could we just maybe break it down so that instead of

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saying subdividers shall file with the planning board and build empowerment as an as of completed streets or street or streets utilities and easements together with proper legal description of for initiating an article. So could we break that up? she'll submit it

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and then it's not just for um acceptance but also for peer review to ensure built according to >> um

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the plans I guess and then and then typically what we'll do is for a private road we'd release um the funds that were held right so is town meeting annual town meeting or

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any one of the two. >> So as long as it's two years from the date of >> what is it the >> acceptance? Yeah, it's not. So, the acceptance is it has to be two years after of the >> completion

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>> completion. I think >> completion of the road or something like that. I know it's something. >> I read it. I read in here. >> It's in here somewhere. >> It's in here somewhere. >> Okay. >> Um >> I just wanted to confirm. >> And then you have this rotary acceptance section.

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I love that. >> Great. Um >> uh removal of period after curbs and BMS on page 34. It was a period after BMS in the header. Sorry. >> Don't be

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um just get to 34. >> Uh yep. page 38 at the top of the page when it's talking about um >> 38. >> Yep. 38. So adequate groundwater supply

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available. Um so it says board of health. Should it could we have board of health and fire department? Because I know for the fire actually reviews for the purpose of like sprinklers and those instances.

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>> Yeah. >> Just thinking if it's like a commercial subdivision too. I think fire and health. Gota >> that'll cover all bases. >> Yep. >> See that might be everything.

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And then obviously the last step is the updates to the forms, but I wanted to make sure we got through legal review. And then the final deliverance of all of this will be the word version, the new forms, both Word and PDF. And then um we're just going to throw it in a nice Inesign document. So it's like

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>> awesome. >> Yeah, it's spiffy. Um but you'll have the the onhand Word one if you ever need to do any additional work to it. >> Awesome. Perfect. Thank you. >> Yeah, of course. >> Okay, this is a big one. Can I just um back way back in section one a authority

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enacted for the purpose of >> should we have something in there about adus or >> so I know she did so I don't think we should specifically reference it but she did add I know you added it >> I did I had I added references where was

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it so I mean in the section B references in section one I guess subsection B We referenced the zoning act as well. So that kind of covers some of the provisions of protected uses under section 3 of the zoning act. And then I know somewhere in one of the following

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more than one building for dwelling units. This >> there it is page 11. >> Yeah. Unless other as um unless as provided under general law chapter 48 section 3 or within the zoning bylaws. So it kind of tangentially addresses the

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age. It talks about it without saying it specifically, >> right? At least it defers to the zoning or the state's regulations, >> right? So, we went from having accessory apartment allowed to now we have ADUs as well. So, it kind of covers I think those those caveats that. >> So, then we

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>> it's not as though we have to take this back to town meeting, but >> as we can see this was what 1987 and then minor changes just a couple years ago that we did as our the board. Um, so this is the first real deep dive into the rules and regulations in

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>> decades. So that's how long these might sit on the books, you know. >> Um, >> so I do like to leave it referencing because even the laws like you saw some of the laws that were referenced you had to change. >> Yeah. Or just like, you know, again, add additional ones that make

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that just like cover your bases in a way that's, you know, appropriate without being overly prescriptive. That's usually something I try and stay away from is be as as prescriptive as is necessary to get the outcome you want without boxing you folks into an outcome

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or a procedure or whatnot. Um >> okay. And then I heard mention of checklists. So, when I was reading through the rules and regs, when I got to the forms, like I I went to the form online that we have and then

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>> I read through >> the narratives here. So, it sounds like >> we're going to finish the rules and regs and then go back to the checklists that we have for the forms and like overview. They were a couple >> ensure that the references are are

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correct. Yep. Thank you. Yeah, there used to be even more references of forms like J. >> Yeah, I know. That's what I was going through and I was asking Kathy. I'm like, Kathy, I don't do you actually have a form G? Like, is there an H1 and two? Um, but it's just this legacy again, I think, where a lot of folks it

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appeared, took on a set of regulations and, you know, an associated set of forms. So, I you'll see them in other communities that either keep them or age them out or, you know what I mean? Um, >> right. And I think we had decided last time to keep the forms separate so that we can update the the forms >> as needed

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>> with a vote as needed as opposed to having this has to be approved via public hearing. So we have to notice it for two weeks in a row, >> right? >> In order to adopt it. It doesn't have to go to town meeting, but >> it's lengthier than just putting it on the agenda and taking a vote, which we could do to the forms without having

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having wrapped in here. So, >> and thank God like because Nancy Daries, so the forms that you're familiar with have been since Nancy came along because all those have >> have evolved to what they are now >> from much more rudimentary. >> Yeah. >> Right. Well, they extract the important

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information for the person who's applying so that they're not >> Exactly. >> So, thank you. >> Anything else? Good questions. >> I I have one other thing. Um so

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under section K trees landscaping natural features beautifully written love it um this is something that you know we've been definitely wanting to have um elaborated on the one thing that as I was reading through this madam chair

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>> tree warden >> oh >> um I don't believe our director is the tree warden if he is is and certified Uh, I think we >> I think we have somebody.

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>> Okay, >> I'm sorry to pop this on you, but I when I was reading through this last night, I said tree warden. I was like, I know Dyon has one who is the DPW director. Um, but I wasn't sure if we had a warden of

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trees. >> I think it's one of those things that somebody does, somebody else does. Any other? >> No. >> I think >> we can always do an and or too if necessary. >> Yeah, unless somebody gets appointed at

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some point. >> I I have to remember look back and see if I also cuz sometimes like you said folks will do almost like a dual role. >> A dual role. >> Yeah. Like it falls under so and so's duties. Yep. >> Um but I'm not sure.

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I think a tree warden's very important. >> Well, let me double check it and if not, I can always do an andor and reference DPW or another um appropriate concom whoever you'd like us. >> Tree warden does fall under DPW, but right

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>> I don't know who if there is an appointed member here. So I that was the only reason is something that we do. Yeah. >> What page is that? >> Uh 44. >> 44. under K1 general requirements. And if we don't have a tree award, we're

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going to appoint Nancy. >> And you're going to get a tree. >> Yeah. >> All right. Let me make a note of that just to be sure. Um, but other than that, I mean, I this was this is great. So, very thorough. Um,

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very easy to read. Um, and just really organizes everything. So, thank you. >> Of course. I love a good header. Love a lot of headers. >> All right. >> Thank you, Taylor. >> Of course. >> So, you'll get the feedback from council.

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>> Yep. I will finalize that over the next probably two weeks. Um, I anticipate I'll come back to you. I mean, I'm Do you want me to stay up here for the ADU conversation as well? >> Yeah, the next one if you don't mind. Um, >> but regarding this, yes, I anticipate I'll come back 2 weeks from now as we

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kind of and then there might even potentially be another twoe followup. Um, >> okay. >> The close out, you know, I think we'll be meeting more frequently. Um, >> especially if there's like feedback from council I want to discuss with you. >> Yeah.

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>> Um, and I know I think we had talked about a specific date that we were going to >> We did. Yes. >> And I don't even remember and I looked back. I tried to find my paperwork. >> So like the 25th of June. Is that what it was? It was this month, huh? >> I think so. >> So, we will not I'm saying this month. We're still in May,

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>> but so we'll have to um >> when this is finalized for that >> um and this is for the Madam Chair on the board. >> When this is finalized, is this something we would um let towns people

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know about? So it'll be posted to the town the planning board uh web page. Right now the old one is there. >> So this would replace it. So >> Okay. >> Um >> are you folks going to want printed copies of this? >> Uh yeah.

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>> Sure. If that's >> if that's something >> we can do. >> Can't hurt. >> Doesn't need to be spiral bound. >> You sure we can do laminated spiral bound. >> I mean, we could definitely do spiral bound. >> Okay. Well, >> I'll talk I'll talk with um

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>> in color. No, I'm just kidding. >> I'll talk with Stacy. We'll figure something out. >> Awesome. >> No, but this is this is great. So, thank you. >> Yeah, of course. Of course. We'll get it all nice and polished in the last month. That's always the best part. And then, you know, if there's minor edits that need to happen post June 30, we can

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always coordinate at that time because we'll be in the new fiscal year. We can discuss if it's municipal assistance or what. Um, but I don't anticipate so long as the timing as I have been told works out the way it does that we'll, you know, have anything major going on post 2:30.

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>> Awesome. >> Great. All right. Uh, next agenda item, discuss assistance from Serpent for ADU bylaw, possible vote. So, we um, so you had reached out, I think, to Andrew looking for uh, town uh,

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>> a letter of support. >> Support. Thank you. >> Yes. Yes. um not necessarily fully related to the agenda item, but we are writing and submitting our regional application for the community one stop for growth program to support starter home zoning development and smaller, you

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know, single family lot zoning essentially. So that's why we reached out and in the process of reaching out to communities, we wanted to remind them that we have a program that is running from now through June 30, 2027 through onetop um for ADU technical assistance.

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So we reminded everyone and you know conversed a bit about it and here we are. >> Right. So and what you sent out >> um seems like really comprehensive. So so the one the one stop which she's referring to is the 40y basically

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>> just >> yeah it's for it could be 40 starter home zoning. can be or it can be starter home zoning if for some reason a community didn't want to do it through chapter 40 Y but wanted to you know create a starter home district or just reduce single family you know lot sizes

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um if crossing our fingers we get it that would kick in January 1st of next year and that would run through G1 through June 30 2028 so that's typically how the regional technical assistance grants that we have been going for have

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worked so two years ago it was um 3A technical assistance which we did um I don't know that it was actually through the that grant at the time but we did work with Lakeville and then um now it's ADUs and then hopefully next year it's starter home. So >> yeah, so the town has to provide a

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letter of support hopefully that that'll allow them to get the funding that they're looking for. >> Yeah, it's help it's definitely helpful. Um and I sometimes I think it's like confusing too like you know for communities who didn't or either didn't get back to us or didn't provide a letter like of course we'll still help them. So you know, so it's, you know,

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it's like I don't want it to make it seem like it's contingent upon that. Um, it definitely is not. We appreciate the support. >> Something we've talked about and board is considered. >> Um, but so yeah, so ADU cuz that was my question back to her. Well, does ADU qualify under that one? And she said,

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no, but we have this currently, so we can talk about that. >> Um, >> so as you know, we've basically adopted the state guidelines. >> Yes. Not much more. Yes, there's not really anything extensive. >> Saw the definition and the definition

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and then um yeah, >> the definition and the reference >> the very yeah the brief reference >> to the guidelines um and special permit for a second ADU site plan review for the first right >> that's about the extent of our bylaw for

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>> it. So, uh, this would be an opportunity to work with SERPAD on, um, a comprehensive ADU bylaw >> that would still have to go through town meeting. We'd have to go back for ADUs for, I don't know, third, fourth time, whatever it is at that point, right? Um,

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but I think it's worth it because um, as we're seeing more of them, as we just had two this evening on this agenda. So, um, yeah, having something clear and consistent that, you know, would guide us through

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>> applications would be very very helpful. >> Yeah. >> And even making it more straightforward for the applicants to know what to expect because we do have a standard decision and condition. So that should all like be, you know, wrapped up together. So uh my thought is unless there's any additional

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questions for Taylor, do we want to take a vote to um do we have to apply or we just >> No, no, no, no. So the I mean the way we have handled regional technical assistance in the past, um last year it was only for the seven rural communities

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that we had that were subject to 3A. So it was a little bit less um I guess logistical work on our end. I think what we would do since this program is open to our whole region 27 um communities is uh we have a form on our website. No one needs to fill it out necessarily but if for some reason you know a community saw

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it and was like oh we need a permanent guide and the new biologic do like they could submit it that way. It's not a requirement. What I think will be helpful is we can put together just a memorandum of understanding so that it's clear the scope of work and whatnot what we're doing. Um, we could even

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approximate the technical assistance amount in a dollar value if necessary, but we can do something along those lines. But as long as you folks are comfortable with us doing that, you don't need to do anything, you know, beyond that. >> So, we'll take a vote though to support um and work with Serpent on an ADU um

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draft firewall. >> Sure. >> And that would be a MLU. >> We could take that. Okay. >> Absolutely. >> But that would be between um Andrew. >> Yes. Andrew. >> Yeah. It would go to the correct Right. >> Yep. So, >> yeah. >> And it's not something that will interfere with any other grants or

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anything? >> No, no, no, no. This is an existing program that we we applied last year. We were awarded it. It kicked in Jan 1st of this year. Um, and we are, you know, accepting technical assistance work on a rolling basis through June of next year. Great.

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>> Ideally by December 31st. of, you know, of any other communities who are interested. Um, you know, that'll give us time to kind of roll through the end of the the grant cycle. But, yeah, we're pretty flexible. >> All right. Would someone like to make that motion?

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>> I make a motion in support of working with Serpent to develop an ADU guidelines and bylaws. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion in a second. All in favor? >> I. >> I. >> All right. So, I'll look I know you sent

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me that application. I'll take it. >> Yeah, it's just a form like it gives an idea like for example if you're like we want to do a bylaw and then also a permitting guide or something. Um you know we worked with another town made a nice like ezree story map style permitting guide that had you know visual references to examples of this is

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an attached this is a detached this is an over garage whatever. Um here's some best practices for architectural standards and how to make your ads accessible and need be or etc etc. So, if there's any sort of specific things that you would want to say in yours, like we could do something like that as

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well in addition to a bylaw. Um, but the the breadth of the technical assistance we're offering is is pretty broad by design. Um, because there are certainly communities who, you know, did what you folks did and um, you know, wrote a new bylaw and then maybe were like, oh,

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like, like I said, we want a permanent guide or um, could you do a buildout or whatever it is. Um, so you can certainly look at the form, fill out what you're interested in, and then I can use that as a reference for theou and put something together. >> Um, but if you have any questions or

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things you want me to know of now, um, happy to think about that. >> The only thing that comes to mind is that so when we first brought ADU, we talked about so we also have accessory apartments. >> Y, >> which was more >> more and less

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>> right >> stringent I want to say. So it could be up to 1,000 square foot, but it has to be attached, but it only goes through building. So >> I So when we were going to bring I think it was the second time going to town meeting, we were going to get rid of it,

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but there were still references within the bylaws. We end up tableabling it. We didn't get rid of it and then we discussed is there a benefit to leaving both. >> Um >> and at this point, I would rather see maybe them consolidated, right? you know, get rid of that, consolidate it

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into the one because ADU is more flexible as far as >> where it can go. It doesn't have to be attached. Yes, it's a different size, but the ones that are a little bigger will be grandfathered in. >> Um, so that's the only thing that comes to mind. I don't know if anybody has anything else, Don. I know you're very

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into the ADUs. Do you have any besides the permitting guide, which you're interested? >> Yeah, the permitting guide because I think that that will help us um with with future applicants. Great. >> To be clear and consistent. Um, and then in the interim, because we do have

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applications coming to us for ADUs, >> what do we refer to in terms of specifics when we're looking at square footage, >> right? >> And we notice that the applicant has applied and their square footage may

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have exceeded like how do we know that we are referencing the correct >> right >> guidelines, >> right? I will make a note of that and I will discuss it um probably with because

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so for this as well um any sort of um I have to think about how to do this because we're we're in the process of we have an RFQ out for legal counsel associated with zoning and land use. Um and at that time I will discuss it with

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the appropriate person to confirm. My intuition as I kind of said earlier and again not a doctoral lawyer is um it would defer to at least in terms of gross area I would

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imagine it would refer to the the state and again unless for some reason your regulation or your your definition for it is less stringent but even then given that if it's the first ADU it will then

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technically qualify as the protected use ADU, which I believe would reference the state's definition of gross area. But that is my tentative answer. Um, and I will hopefully get you a more definitive one or at least one that is,

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>> you know, provides some >> maybe uh we can integrate it as a definition into a bylaw or something. >> I would absolutely do that. Um, the way that I think, you know, we've handled a lot of this in the past is where it's easier to consolidate definitions. That is always our goal because having, you

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know, even Yeah. like having two that are almost the same but not quite, it just adds a lot of confusion to the the process for like both for you folks and the applicant. Um, so where we can streamline and make it clear like gross area is this and you know the ADU is

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this and then the protected ADU is this and you know whatever it is, we'll make sure at that time that it makes sense both to you folks, to an applicant and is legally defensible. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. >> Of course. >> All right. Anything else for Taylor?

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>> No. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Of course. >> All right. >> Well, then I will plan to see you folks, I guess, probably in two weeks. Um, am I still communicating with Kathy or >> So, as far as I know,

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>> tonight it's no. >> Okay. >> I don't know if that'll change. I was under the impression she was staying on until July on Fridays, but then I found out no. But then I don't know if any of that's going to change or it's that's it. So >> I will plan to reach out to someone and we will figure out how to

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>> You can always reach out to me. >> Okay, great. Yeah. >> And I'll send it to everybody. >> Sounds great. Cool. Then I will tentatively plan to see you folks in two weeks. >> Awesome. Thank you, Taylor. >> All right. Of course. Thanks again. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. Next on our agenda, wetland bylawformational presentation. Nancy Yates. >> Hello, Miss Yates. >> Hello. I have two handouts. I want to do them one at a time. So, they're in order. So, if I may.

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>> Sure. Thank you. And Ian, if you want to take one of those packets and follow along. I should have told you guys to take them. They're extra. Thank you, Nancy. You're welcome. >> Okay. My name is Nancy Yates and the

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first thing that I want to say is that yes, I am on the conservation commission. Yes, I am chairman. But tonight, I'm here as myself because this bylaw is on by a citizen's petition.

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I started back in 2005 or six, I can't remember, at the town meeting trying to pass a wetland bylaw. I was newly elected and very naive and I went with the MACC's model bylaw which was 13 pages long and it was a total

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disaster. Of course, I went the same that same town meeting I put on CPA and the wetland bylaw and all I got was all she cares about is the environment. So, they both crashed and burned. So,

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then in 2016, um I was busy doing other things and Mike Schroeder put this bylaw that's here on by petition. Mhm. >> So, it's been by town council. Um, and it was kind of ready to go. And I've

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been trying to get my own commission for I don't know how many years and how many different boards to work on a bylaw. But with six and seven people, you just can't come to a consensus. It just never got to the point. When Josh was on, he

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um I thought we were really getting there and then he left and went to be a conservation agent in Wearham. So, we lost him. >> Same place Kathy went, >> right? So, I just was going to put it on in the fall and figured I'd have time to work on my own

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board. And then when I found out that some of the stuff you're working on now, like the storm water and the ADUs, that's going to go to the fall. And I was trying to avoid that because it's another bylaw. And I So I had like

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4 days to try to run around and get 10 signatures and get it on. >> Mhm. >> So I did. So this is it's been I can't even say it's been 10 years since the last time. And how many years before that? It could be so different in Lakeville if

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we had done this back in in the day. Um, so as part of the handout, I'm talking about why storm water is so important. And D does not protect us. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say.

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I guess what even pushed me further is we just had a case that they're going to build a house in a low-lying area within 6 ft of open water. >> Mhm. When it came before our commission, we had six members. Three voted yes they

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could do it and three voted no, they could not. So I'm like, okay, it's going to like be dissolved. But it wasn't because if you don't vote yes, D takes it as a no. So it went to appeal and D approved it. So it's a house like unless

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they flatten that lot, I can't even imagine. It's going to be built into the side of the hill and the whole neighborhood. I think what gets me is I'm kind of here to practice to see what kind of questions that you might have that I can answer because what I get a

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lot is why nobody could should be able to tell me what to do with my own land. But an answer to that is if what you do with your land like this land is affect that well and area it affects the whole neighborhood because the area already

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floods. This isn't helping the situation. It's adding to the situation because we need flooding is important. We have more floods and more droughts going forward now with climate change than we're ever going to have. And even

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droughts, the wetlands store that water and release it slowly into it doesn't run off to wherever. It slowly releases it back into the groundwater. And even when we have a drought, when we had a drought a few years back, it took the um

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groundwater way longer to recover than the ponds. The ponds recovered much quicker than the groundwater. We all have freshwater wells. It also purifies somehow the water when it goes through the plants and stuff. It takes out like the copper, heavy metals, all kinds of

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things that are bad. So this is the bare minimum. I had run this by um friends with a conservation uh agent from New Bedford Chance. And when I showed it to him, he goes, "Wow, this is the bare minimum and

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for Lakeville, I don't know." Um so I included a new packet, the import, you know, some things about the no touch policy. This had been the source of contention with my commission is a 25 foot. It is well proven scientifically the best way to protect a wetland is

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stay 25 ft away from it. Period. Um there are plenty of exemptions built in. Another comment that I had was, "Oh, I know what's going to happen. All the people from Long Pond are going to descend upon

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you and vote against it." I've already been I've been attending Long Pond meetings for a really long time and helped them write a grant to get rid of the weeds. That was a 2-year MVP grant. They're um now they're getting money. They're following through on a lot of stuff and they're they've purchased their own harvester.

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>> So, they're doing they're doing really well. So, I went to their meeting to explain some of the exemptions because when we look at stuff on Long Pond, you know, if the area has already been impacted, then they're exempt. And guess what? Long Pond's been impacted for the last hundred years. Anything most people

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are doing, they're trying to make it better. They're putting up a retaining wall so the nutrients don't like, you know, go into the pond or they're upgrading their septic system. So, what they're doing making things better. So, I already went and went to their meeting and talked about this and passed it out.

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I went to open space, passed it out and talked to them. So, I'm trying to make the rounds um and trying to figure out what I'm going to get hit with at town meeting because it's like me, myself, and I. >> Yeah. Well, I think Nancy this is um a

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really good map to show what town meeting. Look at all that green and look at where Lakeville is. You know, this little spot right down here, one of very few communities in our area that don't have a wetland bylaw, right? >> So, as it stands, the Wetland Protection

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Act, which is the Massachusetts general law, that encompasses everyone in the state of Massachusetts. However, a town can adopt a more stringent or more strict bylaw. >> True. >> This would not this would not affect 40Bs. We know that there's certain things that are not affected by a

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wetland bylaw, local one because >> right, >> but the answer also to that is you can use it as mitigation. >> Okay? You know when 40B comes in where where are people you mitigate or not just come in and take us over in our

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town you can do mitigation and part of that mitigation you know Rocky Woods is a perfect example the plan I saw has got vernal pools and wellins and people's backyards you know it's not you you mitigate with that look at this is a bylaw that we have and we'd like to you know we'll

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look at your application more favorably if you stay away from the re you know our valuable resources areas. There's also a list of uh I did this a long time ago. I can't believe how long it took me, but I found it. But there 192 cities

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and towns in Massachusetts have welton bylaws and um 130 of those towns have some kind of no touch activity. So um my wonderful friend Cynthia put it on a

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mine was all handwritten. She put it on a spreadsheet for me all the towns and a lot of them are like 25 ft no touch um 50 foot no build. I mean they are a lot stricter than like I say I'm going with the bare minimum just to try to get

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something on there because it's something D can't over rule us on. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So uh another thing is this is not to stop development. This is not to stop development. So, I

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brought I I have a whole I I did find out something that I never knew. A citizen's petition. I can't set up my um presentation in the hallway. I'd have to be outside because it's a citizen's petition and it wasn't put on by a

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town board. >> So, I mean, mine's on. And so I brought one piece from my presentation. >> What do you think? Anybody? >> Where is it? >> Well, you you're supposed to guess, Dave. >> I know. No, >> the answer is not the bottom.

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>> No, no, no, no, no, no. I was I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't asking. I don't know where Matt's looking at me. >> Just turn around. >> Right there. Right in the corner. Right here. Nancy. >> Oh, >> this camera. >> Okay. >> So, I'm going to say that I I'm going to

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take a wild guess and say that is Very Woods. >> Nope. >> No, >> I already know. So, you try. >> Your your backyard. >> Nope. >> Anybody in the audience? >> Where's that?

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>> Anybody in the audience know? What do you think, Ethan? >> All right, tell us where it is, Nancy. >> It's at the industrial park. We can do things and still protect our beautiful well areas.

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>> It's a good one. Good point to make. >> Mhm. Well, that's another I'm trying to cover anything that's or what has already been thrown at me. Um, okay. So, now for the second handout, which is another part of this bylaw.

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And >> two piece. Thank you. >> In this dialogue, I better wait. I sit down. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Oh gosh.

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Part of the bylaw is enforcement as I'm sure you know as a whole town must know because it's been through everything is I finally about 160 Bedford Street. We have a junkyard. We have a parking lot that's not there's no

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>> it's illegal and there's nothing there. They're parking and this stuff is right next to a wet area. noticed. So I called the M for the oil and they're like, "Well, it doesn't look like 10 gallons, so that's not our department. So we're going to put you to the strike

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force." I'm like, "Okay, well, I'd like to go when the strike force." Oh, well that's why it's a strike force. We don't There we go. It's never hitting it, you know. and D through the years has been very good, but with all the pressure on them for building and everything that's

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going on, they're just it's not enough to protect the extraordinary resources that we have in Lakeville. I don't know what else to say. I don't know how many more times I have this in me to do this. >> Mhm. Like I say, I've been doing it since 2005 and six, and it's just kind of hard

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standing out there on your own. But I mean, this wouldn't be the first time I've done that before. But I'm just really hoping that >> So, this bylaw enables the town to enforce

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>> the conservation commission to enforce. I think I don't know what happened with the selectment. I thought they were going to try to find that find them at 160 Bedford Street, but for some reason that fell through because maybe it's not in our charter or whatever that they have the ability to find. >> I don't know. I Well, obviously they

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never got signed and it's still they've pulled the parking lot. They were going to come to you for the parking lot. Now they've pulled it. >> I made them come to us. I mean, I have a cease and assist, enforcement orders, everything. and made them do order of conditions to do the drainage for that

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parking lot. But if they're not going to do the parking lot, I don't have anything >> except starting all over again with a cease and desist, enforcement order, and all that with no help. >> So, that's just another piece of

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the argument that we really need this. >> All right, poke your holes, David. Oh, I can't really. I mean, uh, >> we've tried I think as a board conservation has really tried to get a

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handle on 16 Bedford Street. It's just >> I mean, I I'll I'll give you a a personal uh observation, >> okay, >> that I've that I've been wondering about. Uh, >> okay. I I'm a member over at Learon Hills Country Club and there are a

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couple areas recently where they cut a bunch of trees and they've just left them uh in the in the brush area. >> Okay. >> Um and >> you like moved them from where they were and put them in the brush area or just

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dropped them and left them where they were? >> Just dropped them and cut them off at like a 10-ft height >> and >> Okay. >> left them there and in the woods. >> Yeah. And part of the explanation I heard was, "Well, they're not allowed to touch it cuz it's a wet area."

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>> No, that's not necessarily >> Yeah. It didn't make any sense to me, >> but it's not necessarily bad either if you leave a tree in a woodland area like that cuz stuff will move in that >> wildlife will have a home. >> Right. Right. So, you know, I wondered

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if if you know, something like this would prevent, >> you know, maintenance work and and operations like that >> impact. Well, if it's in the it's in the woods, it's already an impact area. I would never if they're dead trees that they we wouldn't mind taking them out,

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but it doesn't hurt leaving them either. >> They weren't they weren't dead. um they were just trying to kind of improve uh play because it was starting to narrow up uh play on on one one particular hole. >> So let me if I could. Yeah.

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>> I just want to read a line from the bylaw. Okay. So this is part of the the proposed bylaw. It says >> under the wetland protection zone. It's in the highlighted area. It says lawns, gardens, landscape or other developed areas which existed prior to the

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effective date of this bylaw shall not be subject to this bylaw. So that means that if you have something pre-existing, so it's not going to stop a golf course from maintaining their landscape. >> Yeah. But I kind of wondered, you know, that

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>> but if they wanted to remove it, I don't know. Nobody's ever asked that question. I mean, nobody ever called and asked that question. But if you know >> Yeah. I mean, you you you read parts of this and and and you say, "Well, okay, they're they're they're then getting in and doing a lot of of disturbing in

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order to to clean that area out. Um and uh I just I just wondered how how that fit with this. I mean, I understand what you what you just read. Um, but it is also kind

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of uh once you get kind of off the the the the golf course itself and and into the into the woods, >> you're you're you are dealing with some wet areas and they're quite a few, >> right? But remember, this is just

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additional protection. A lot of that's under the regular state wetland protection act. A lot of >> So, this is designed basically to target new developments, right, that are coming in close to the wetlands, like she

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mentioned, a a development that has open water 6 feet away. And because we don't have a 25 foot no touch zone, they're able to do so. And that that was a policy I think the commission was upholding for a while and then it came into question because >> it was a policy and then somebody really

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challenged it and D said, "Oh, well, policies don't really count." even though we have them, they don't really count for you. >> So, >> no, I mean, I'm I'm I'm totally in favor, >> okay, >> on this. And, you know, I've I've run into things in the in the past where,

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okay, we got to we got to move away from this area and and and and not touch it. And I'm, you know, I'm I'm in favor of that. I mean, even though I spent my career, you know, building things and designing things, I I' always like to

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think that I did so in a in a environmentally friendly area away. >> And in Lakeville, like a 1.61 acre lot, a regular >> Mhm. >> house lot, okay, is um you should be able to stay away from the wetland because you need 525 of Upland anyway.

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So, you should be able to stay away from it. But the problem with this one that just passed, for some reason, the state's now saying, and I didn't even understand how this happened, that if you had added a piece on to your property to make you have a legal lot,

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you can now take it off because that lot I'm talking about 5 ft from open waters, 30,000 ft lot, and it's getting a new house on it, and it's somehow okay. I think that came about with um the um the

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same law that brought ADUs and all of that. The um what's it called? The Affordable Homes Act. Yeah. Did do you guys have any questions, comments, poking holes? What do you think about the OSRD bylaw

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too that um we're working on and how this would work in tandem with right >> like the the philosophy behind looking at the land first and then >> building the the homes around the land and the protection of the land >> and how that dovetales. Yep.

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>> Right. And so the OSRD I'm sure I think you guys are going to review that con the commission. Um, >> I thought Middleboro was more um more towards land protection. I saw a copy of Middle O. >> Read the new read the new draft because

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it's very good about how it takes out things first before they put the >> Yeah. And not to like what you've done is like I really admire the persistence that you've had over the course of like

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you can tell that you you really care about the wetlands and protecting the land. So like I really appreciate that. Um what do you what could how could we help? Um

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>> yeah, when people ask you the question about >> in communicating and because I'm thinking visualizing 25 ft myself and well it's not really asking for >> this is the bare minimum. If you look at some of the other towns and what they in

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fact the developer said to me, he goes, "You know, Nancy, you know, I would follow that rule if you had it, but you don't." He goes, "You know, in Carver, it's 65 ft." I'm like, "Isn't that lovely?" >> Right. Oh, yeah. If you look through that list that you provided, I think there's one that has 100. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've worked in towns where, you

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know, where it was when it was actually 100 ft, >> but you know, with special permission, you could get to within within 50 ft, but >> they weren't letting anything happen inside of 50 ft, >> right? How about you, Dan? >> And we have so much that's just a thing.

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And I think right >> in my for my own self from the very first time to even the second time that because Lakeville is so rich in resources, everybody's affected. Some of these other towns could probably pass it in a snap because, oh, I don't have any oil in my backyard.

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>> It's just that Lakeville is swampy, >> right? And we're rich in resources. And people forget already the floods of 2010. I mean, people lost their homes. >> How about well water? How about the fact that like if you don't want to be drinking PFOAs in your wellwater, maybe protect the wetlands.

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>> Mhm. It's your own. I mean, people have tens of thousands of dollars invested in their filtration systems. We should know the importance of protecting the wetland. >> Storm water. Yeah. It's free. It's natural storm water.

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>> And how many how much storm water stuff are we looking at lately? >> Yeah. Everything. >> So, >> I'm sorry, Dan. >> No, no, no. Nancy, no. Uh, thank you for this presentation. Um, when it comes to enforcement, >> yes.

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>> Can you speak a little bit more on enforcement and what the I I I see the definition for it. Would that fall under the um the uh commissioner

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in terms of enforcement of anything that gets reported? though in in terms of other further actions. >> Um well >> and does it model that's what I highlighted these and does it model what other area towns are doing at this

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point? >> I don't really know. I have not done like I say just compiling the the list of all the towns for their no touch zone. So yeah >> it references police officer all kinds. cuz that's that's yeah so um

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>> but it's the Mass General law chapter 40 section 21D and I've actually talked to to Nate about this on the enforcement because he had wanted us Nate's original thing was just to go and ratify the

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state well protection act >> but number one that's not doing enough for us right now and then just add the criminal disposition but by setting setting up in 19 oh 7 I forget what year it was. I it it's printed out somewhere

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when we set up the local conservation commission. That's why it was set up to enforce the wild protection act. So it's >> so it's already done. We've already done that right >> by accepting and um having a conservation commission and appointing a

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conservation commission. So this um >> this this general bylaw is probably I think what the selectman need to adopt also if they want to be able to find >> yeah cuz we as you know we've had past

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history with you know wetland issues in this town and enforcement I think would need to be more clearly defined. I I I think it's it I I think it's good. >> Okay. >> But in terms of the enforcement, I think it needs to be a little bit more

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stricter, >> okay? >> Um and I and I I I mean I know this is just a start, you know, but if >> but there's a lot of steps before you would get to enforce before you would get to any kind of enforcement. Like I say,

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>> 160 Beford Street, it's just like >> this and then this and then this and then this. And that's a property I'm referring to cuz that that one's a a stickler especially with me with just everything that's happened there. >> Um

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and I mean >> but it would have it would take a um a public hearing and um >> but the fines I think are too too little. >> Yeah, I think they are too. And I think the other guy >> that's why I'm bringing this up. >> Oh really? So, those aren't by the state

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because I feel it that's the same um amounts I believe that are in our bylaws are fine, which I think it goes at 100, 200, 300 and then 300 is the max. >> The thing was I didn't change a word.

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This if you see on the top, I didn't know this because everybody says, "Ah, it's been voted down twice. It's been voted down twice." I went and sat with Lillian and we looked it up and surprisingly enough I didn't remember it was not voted down. It was tabled. So I can take this and put it back on and you

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can I can always tweak it later. >> And just so you know, >> but I didn't want to change a word. >> Donna did point out it still says it at the bottom of it. >> Does that it was tabled in the vote? >> Oh yeah, >> the vote that was taken. So that was right from the town meeting.

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>> Yeah. Well, if you want to really know, and I'll be very bold, I went back and looked I pulled the tape and looked at the 2016 meeting and two, the first two people that got up and

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spoke against it. Number one was Derek Maxi and number two was Moren Candido got up and spoke against it. And then luckily for me it ended up being tabled instead of voted down or I wouldn't be able to have this all ready without having to start all over again. And I

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think Mike Schroeder did a pretty good job at the time. This is 10 years ago. >> But also I didn't want to I'm going by citizens petition. I didn't cuz that's how this went on. And I didn't want to cost say oh it's got to get costing the town money. It's got to go by town council. This already been by town council.

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>> Well I hope Mike Sharter haunts anyone who votes against us. That woman dedicated so much time and energy. >> She did and was very underappreciated. >> Not just wetlands, but protected species. She know she knew every native

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species, protected spec. She would go and check up on them on a consistent. >> She had her license to go and do the invasive stuff. That's why Tamarak Park looks like it does. It could look a lot worse because she got her license so that she could get rid of invasives,

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>> get rid of the invasive species. I remember her telling me how, you know, if she saw a kid over close trying to pick the flower, she would educate the child and just say, "This is a very important flower. It's protect." So, you know, >> it's nice to see her coming back around in this. >> Anyway, thank you very much for your

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time and like I say, >> this is great. Thank you. >> Thank you, Lindsay. >> All right. Good luck. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Moving on, agenda item

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number seven, we have data center bylaw recommendation vote. Okay, so this is just something that >> last meeting during our public hearing, we should have taken a vote to um >> support at town meeting. So, we just need to take that vote that we didn't do when we held the public hearing, close

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the public hearing, but we also have to um >> so when the town when it's presented at town meeting, the town clerk will ask did the or the um moderator will ask did the planning board have a recommendation? Yes, the planning board recommended to approve. So, we need to

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take a vote to recommend approval. >> If someone >> We need a motion for us, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I make a motion. um to recommend approval for the data center bylaw for the town of Lake.

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Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I I motion carries. >> Uh ADU slash uh site plan review discuss training or guidance. So, Donna, you had brought this item up to my attention

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after attending a select board meeting. I guess they had an ADU in front of them for comment and you had asked um is there any sort of guide? Do you want to speak to this? >> So my question was specific to um the 57 Kingman. If you remember when the

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applicant was before us last couple of weeks ago um they had exceeded the half gross floor area >> and um they did correct that. However,

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I am wondering how we are going to define gross floor area as a planning board because the state defines it clearly. I just had it in front of me. Um, what did I do with it?

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Oh, please. Sorry. Here we go. So, the state defines gross floor area um by the sum of all areas of all stories of the building of compliant

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ceiling height pursuant to the building code including basement, lofts and intermediate floor tiers measured from the interior faces of the exterior walls or from the center line of walls. I mean there is a very clear specific

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definition that they use and then in our proposed bylaw do we have a proposed bylaw or we >> so we just changed it. >> So we just reference the state guidance in our bylaw >> and in red

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>> when we referenced and tried to define accessory dwelling unit which we never brought to the the town brought forward to the town meeting. >> No we did. >> Didn't we table it though? >> No. So we adopted ADU. We adopted the the state definition of ADU.

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>> Okay. Yes. All right. So that that agrees with what the state says. We have is not larger in gross floor area than half the gross floor area. But then when we're looking at plans >> that an applicant provides us with,

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what do we have to reference if we're using the GIS map >> and the property cards? Mhm. >> Gross floor area is is in >> that data. >> Yeah. >> So are are we supposed to

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>> be that critical of the plan and >> identify that? >> So I would say so the the issue that came up is as it was explained by that applicant they were showing the footprint. So obviously they had two levels. So the floor area was greater

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than what that footprint was. um as far as us referencing the reason that they're submitting plans that are certified, stamped, engineer, all of that, they are doing that work for us so that you know we shouldn't have to

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validate it. Um but obviously because we questioned and they looked at it again, oh no, yep, it was only this amount. They thought that it was this amount based off of what they were paying taxes for, but no. So they confirmed. So,

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um, it's it's good to question it when it looks off because it'll trigger them to do that work. We shouldn't have to do that work. Um, their their engineer should be providing it on the plans, the site plan that we review. But also, I

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mean, the caveat is we we don't want to per permit something that is outside of what is allowed. But when it hits the building department, the building department is responsible for everything within those walls. So, they are going

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to that's why so when we have a site plan, they have to put on it that uh there's no determination as compliance with um with zoning. So the zoning the final zoning determination falls onto

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zoning enforcement just like the final building that falls onto the bu building commissioner. We're not building commissioners, you know. So we have one in town that that does that job. So I don't know if that answers your question. I don't know if it's a good answer.

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>> Well, I guess I I guess I'm just I am curious about where the accountability falls. It sounds like we are just making sure that all the boxes are checked in whatever applicants submit. >> Mhm.

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>> But not necessarily being super critical about something like that because down the line someone's going to pick that up. then that would make it difficult for the applicant at that point if we didn't identify it as

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um an issue in the very beginning because now it was identified the applicant went and corrected the problem before >> right >> it got further down the pipeline >> which is definitely ideal

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>> right >> yep >> yeah I would I would I would think that you know we'll catch them when they're kind way over the line way over the the line as opposed to, you know, where it, you know, where it says, you know, half of

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the existing structure. Uh, and let's say the existing structure is 1,600 square ft and they come in with an ADU that's 820 square ft. So, it's 20 square ft over that half. um

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we're liable, you know, they're they're most likely going to fudge the numbers and and we're not going to catch it when it's a small number like that. >> Well, I don't want to say that they're going to fudge the numbers, but I think this came up for the county street ADU.

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So, and that's where John had pointed out and said, well, you know, he measured it and he's like, well, this is bigger. And uh the engineer told us it's bigger because it's measured from the interior walls and you know the building

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enforcement officer or zoning enforcement officer will catch that. You know that'll fall on his so that's so when we're doing site plan review we're looking at the site plan. We're making sure and so with ADUs >> there's a limited amount of things we can look at. It's not a full site plan

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review. We're not we're not going to the full extent that they still have to do title five. They still have to deal with conservation if there's any wetlands, but really they only have to include one parking spot if they're what was itif

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was it five miles from the transit. It was it it has to do the trans. So if they're if they're close to the MBTA route, we don't even have to make sure they have an extra parking space. Like there's that guidance is so

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relaxed >> that those are >> you've seen the state guidance. So it's it's there's only and it actually tells us what we can't do too. Like it says you can look at these things but you can't look at these things too. >> So but that's why where an ADU bylaw is

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going to help not only the applicant but this board it'll help it be a little bit more straightforward and streamlined. And >> for those that are new because you've looked >> with your experience, you've looked at a lot of plans. So you're you're a but right now I'm actually looking as

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closely as I can just >> to learn. So which is great. >> And Okay. >> Yeah. Excellent. And I love the questions. It helps keep those of us who may have been here a little longer like who maybe maybe have a more LZ fair uh

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you know attitude or something. But >> but you know it helps to keep us all Yep. >> You know, paying attention. I appreciate that. >> I mean, there are odd little technicalities or or uh I mean, as as a for instance, the one that we've got

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today that's above a garage and the stairway that gets you up there. >> Is that part of the interior space? You are. >> But that's not for us to determine. >> That's not for us to decide because we're only looking at the site >> and not the

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>> guts to the uh to the building. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, >> thank you. >> The other part of this um my thought, so because you were saying, well, how do we know? How would they know as in the slackboard? Um, one of the things I

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wanted to point out, um, going back to the rules and regulations, I actually circled it because this is on page 24, it's actually broken out, you know, the reviewed by other town officials. So, these are the same things. So, Department of Public Works. So, when we

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get a a site plan review, they go out to all these people. When we have subdivision, it goes out to all these individuals and these are what they they look at. So, this is probably good guidance. So, number five, select board or the designate as to water allocation and earth removal. So, that's what falls

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24. >> Thank you. >> That's what falls under uh their perview. So, we know conservation, they're going to be looking at everything under wetland protection act. um you know police for street safety, fire department for hydrants, installation alarm system, emergency

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access, all those things. Uh building inspectors, the suitability of lots for building purposes. Um so my thought is every year so town council now we have a new previous town council as well as a new one they offer training. If we if this board would like

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to send a recommendation to request that uh one of those train I think it's two trainings a year that they offer and we could request that they do a training on site plan review and maybe just what are the individual perview of each department or board or committee. I don't know if that's something that's

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helpful to everyone. I don't is that something worth doing? I don't know. Sometimes they take our >> I would benefit from it, but I don't know that others would given the the level of experience everyone has. So, if it's something that I could do, >> well, it seemed like it was a question that the select board had as well cuz

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they were talking about >> Yes. What about >> the gross floor area? >> Correct. >> So, >> I think it's worth it. >> Yeah. >> As a refresher, >> send a memo maybe asking for some guidance from town, maybe a training on site plan review. >> Yep.

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>> Can't hurt to send it out as an It's a h half hour presentation, whatever it is. I mean, just just to ensure we're in compliance. >> Okay. Would someone like to make a a motion to vote to send a memo in regards to training? >> I would like to make a motion to send a

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memo to the select board for um booking some training sessions about site plan review. >> Yeah, it would just be one, I think. Okay. But >> a training session with >> who would come in to train? >> Town council >> with town council

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>> to train on site plan review. >> Okay. So we have a motion. >> Second. >> And a second. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. I. >> So I will put that memo together and send that over to them. See if they're interested. If so, great. If not, we'll

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see what they determine is um you know, >> thank you. >> What what direction they want to go in. Thank you, Donna. Anything else? Feel free anytime any of you have anything you want to add on an agenda, let me know. Um, the next item on our agenda is

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approve the April 23rd, 2026 meeting minutes. Has everyone had a chance to review these? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Any edits? >> I did not have any. >> I didn't either. Would someone like to approve? I make a motion to approve the Thursday, April 23rd, 2026 meeting

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minutes as um as developed. >> Second. All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I. Motion carries. Meeting minutes are approved. >> Agenda item number 10, administrative update, possible vote on any item listed below. We have storm water management bylaw. Um,

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I think the only thing that Taylor was waiting on was to see if there was anything that could be incorporated into the existing rules and regulations as far as storm water enforcement or anything like that. If >> so, we'll we'll wait and see what she comes back with. If not, >> I think we'll um send that on to the

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select board. Um, OSRD or the open space residential development. I did send the most recent draft of that all around to to all of us. I think it was April 30th. Um, we're no longer doing the monthly check-ins. It's at the final draft

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stage, I guess. Um, I sent it to Emily and asked her to post it on the page today. So, hopefully that'll be available for people to look at and read through. Uh, consultant for Lakeville Hospital determination for Brownfields. Um,

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this is in relation to what we discussed last meeting. Um would we like to take make a motion to explore um the determination as to whether that site

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would apply would would um >> not apply but would >> qualify >> qualify thank you >> for brownfields. Um I don't know if there's any funding available at this point. Obviously things are tight but

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>> and the Brownsfield's funding would be part of a stand a state funding effort not a federal >> right but maybe the other piece of that is not just brownfields maybe we look into

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super fund which is under EPA as well >> yep >> and I would think that they're very similar or maybe they could be done concurrently like apply for you know see with the state does it qualify for brownfields. >> I don't know if one has to come and then the next, but I think a consultant could

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probably handle that at least working with Rhino because I know they want to see it cleaned up. I know the town wants to see it cleaned up. There is no town liability as to determination for brownfields. >> Um, other things to ask a consultant too is upon approval,

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what is the depending on if it's federal versus state, what is usually a timeline? >> Oh, yeah. That's Yeah, but you know because if it is state related I mean >> because it's not saying who's cleaning it up. It's just saying whether or not

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it's >> qualifies qualifies, right? >> So I don't think we'd be looking at a time frame, but obviously >> in terms of the approval process, the review process, >> I think it's something that we I mean that site need it has to keep moving forward in some manner. Um I I wouldn't

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mind drafting a memo to the select board if we want to send a memo um asking to utilize um consultant services to um pursue brownfields and or super fun uh applicability if someone >> qualification. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Want to make that motion? >> I make a motion that we send a memo to the select board seeking to use a consultant for Lakeville Hospital determination for brownfields and or super fund.

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>> Excellent. >> I second that. >> Motion in a second. All in favor? >> I >> I >> All right. Uh Serpentid projects and planning staff update. Just kind of quick in your uh packet. I threw together a little spreadsheet on top of

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the email from um >> Oh gosh, whose name is isn't in I think it was grant find >> I saw it and I did something. >> This is just showing for the rules and regulations update you were awarded $48,000.

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Um and to this date $42,100 had been utilized. Obviously Taylor attended this evening. She's still working on those final drafts. Uh that's money that this town hasn't had to spend on somebody doing that work for us. We've been able to utilize funding

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through SRO. um OSRD from the SNEP network, uh that was $11,400. The storm water bylaw, there were multiple sources. The total was unknown because it was spread out, but >> right, >> as you could see, it probably would fall

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somewhere between uh the other two amounts. Um so even with an unknown amount, that's a total of $53,500 that we've been able to utilize using Serpent. And when we talk about not funding a planner and and all of the

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good that someone in that position could do, this is just some another piece of that conversation. I think that it's worth looking at. Um, as far as planning staff, um, I was under the impression Kathy was staying on until July, working part-time on Fridays, helping to train.

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Unfortunately, there were some developments yesterday and now I'm told that her last day was last week on the 22nd or 23rd and that's no longer an option. So, I um

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we're so far we're moving forward with interviewing applicants for the full-time clerk position. There's an interview on Friday and then one on Wednesday. Um but even so typically that's like a two week uh notice period before the person comes

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on. So >> I don't know what the plan is for the interim except for >> oh a few different people in town hall are going to take it on which to me that's a horrible solution. It's not not good at all. Um, and I think it's awful thing to do to Kathy, too, where I had

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to have that conversation with her yesterday afternoon after finding out myself and like so, um, I did speak to a select board member today, hoping to get, um, them involved as well because it's just not >> Yep.

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>> it's not acceptable, you know, as far as I'm concerned. Um, yeah. So, that's the update on that. Things seem to be changing very rapidly or >> it's never boring. >> Not rapidly enough.

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>> Never boring here in this town. Yeah. >> Um next item serpent. Uh oh no committee liaison member recommendations and updates. So um as we lost a member who was on he was appointed to Zbra. I don't think they've met. Um and then we also

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have master plan which was uh Jax and I know Donna you're on serve. Dan you're on EDC. I'm on CPC. David, you're on the Lakeville Country Club. >> Yep. >> Um, >> I'll take on Zreck. >> Well, >> yeah. >> Yep.

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>> And I wouldn't mind doing master plan if that that's a a need if no one else. You don't mind doing master plan? Yeah. You're okay with taking it on? >> Girl, thanks. >> What's she saying?

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It's 4 8. She's like, "We're ready. We're We're done. We're done here." >> All right. >> Well, someone else. >> No, that's great. >> I think you'll be a great member cuz like all you have to do is just basically relate anything that pertains to the master plan and this is going to be great part of your learning

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experience. I think that, you know, learning all these things and you'll be able to say, "Well, planning board's working on X, Y, and Z. These pertain to the master plan. These are kind of outside of it, but you know, because there's certain things that fall into it like OSRD. Um, I don't think Stormwater fell into it. I'm not sure. I can't

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remember off the top of my head without double checking. But yeah, that'd be great. And they haven't met since I think it was January. Uh, their last I think might have been November. They posted one for January, but then they didn't meet. So, it's not like they meeting all the time. And when they do, it's only once a month. But if you're

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willing, that's great. I'll um I'll let Lily I'll send an email to Lillian, Dian Zebra, and Donna. Master Plan. >> And then I don't know about Serpent. They I still haven't received anything. So, I don't know if I should reach out to them. I could email Kathy, but

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there's been some transition. Okay. >> Kathy said she had sent it over. >> Okay. >> The weird thing. >> Can she just reach out directly now since Kathy already >> Yeah, you could reach Do you have the contact? >> No, I'll have to look. >> It's a webinar. >> I I have the contact. I'll I'll look it

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up and send it over to you. >> That would be great. >> Thank you, Dave. and email him just to remind him if you forgot that way because I think I think you probably missed the meeting this month just because I think it's was it the third Wednesday? Third Wednesday.

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Yeah. So it would have been Did they record those and post them after they >> I don't think so. >> No. No. >> Okay. >> They do like PowerPoints or something. Um All right. So Oh, let's take votes to a point. Let's not skip a step. I'm not really worried about Zebra because I

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don't think anything's gonna happen anytime soon. So, that's something I don't mind taking on. >> So, David, you want to make the motion to appoint >> to to appoint uh uh >> DN to Zebra?

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>> Yeah, it's zoning enforcement. >> No, zoning bylaw. Sorry. Yeah. >> Advisory Committee. Or we're we're appointing >> So we're appointing Dan to and Dawn to master plan. You can just say so moved.

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>> Okay. Says yes. So moved. >> All right. Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Thank you guys. >> Next meeting June 11th, 2026 here at the PlayStation. We still have um an ANR,

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which was our item number three. They never showed up. I have >> for 92 Tauntton. >> Yep. For 92 Tauntton. So, I'm going to entertain a motion to send an email to the applicant requesting answers about the sheds in the setbacks um and where

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is the water because it's not shown. The well is not shown. >> Okay. >> Um I'll send those two questions. That was it. >> Yeah. >> And we will continue that to June 11th if someone >> want a motion to Okay. make a motion to

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uh continue the uh ANR plan for uh 92 Taton Street to June 11th. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I I motion carries. Any other business

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that may come before the planning board? >> If not, would someone motion to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjourn the Hill Planning Board at 8:08 p.m. >> Thank you. >> We have a motion in a second. All in

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favor? >> I >> I >> All right. Meeting is adjourned.