[Music] and welcome to the Thursday March 13 2025 meeting of the Lakeville planning board it is 7:06 and we are meeting at the Lakeville police station at 323 Bedford Street we do have Lake cam recording this evening uh even though
we're not going live uh we do have a quorum here tonight we also have two members who are on speaker they won't be taking votes with us um but they will be available to ask questions or um share
comments um if we want to want to do attendance sure uh cabal present M here wiga present and we have our town planner Nancy dery and our Clark Kathy Murray here is anyone
else recording for the record hearing none um the first item on our agenda was an anr plan for County Street but that has been withdrawn so our second item on the agenda is a site plan review for 10 Harding Street which was continued to
this evening upon the application for site plan review and approval submitted by Lex development Inc for the construction of a proposed 13,300 ft building Associated driveways parking areas and utilities now we did get quite a bit of
information this today uh this afternoon so I don't think we've had enough time to really yeah so anything that was submitted today we're not at we're not at really at at a point to discuss it we you can certainly present but we're not
no we understand that things come in and trying to get can I just add to why you got that at this today and stuff just just so you know so in the background so we did the original presentation and then we were waiting for um prices from the review engineers and we got that and
it took some time to get those pricing the original price we had a concern it was was very high and we get a second price which was much better and we went with that one and they took a little while so we got those comments back last week mm so we did respond to all of those comments and get them in I know it
was today but it was a lot of information but it was the quickest we could get it done and typ typically what we do is we'll take that and send it back to piew and they'll check it all off and they'll tell us if the items Clos so I mean if there's something that you wanted to present tonight that's Tim
hash president Alex devel to cut you off I apologize um so I we would like to go through the comments to make sure that the the board last time we were here it seemed like the board was very receptive of the project and liked it um nothing to do with you guys we're under a timeline on this and I don't know if
we're going to get another extension signed on this I mean the foundation can sit there for another 30 years I don't know that answer I begged for the last one we're going to beg for the next one um it's possible this might be the last time you could potentially see us here
with this with this project I don't know I mean the owners of the property have been very very sweet and nice to me but they told me this time it was the last one and I'm going to beg for another one but I just I'd like to go through all the comments to make
sure um everybody was happy with it I I was kind of thinking when the comments went over we've got a local engineer that designed the plan that's been working in town for 30 plus years and probably did hundreds of designs in town I would assume okay um but I do
understand the I understand the procedure unfortunately so yeah so I mean typically like I said it'll it'll go back to peer review they'll just go through and they'll say like if you've properly addressed it they'll just say item close close close and then they'll give us whatever items they still fill our you know whether not our purview to
condition Etc um you know obviously it's a lengthy storm water report um like I said if unless there's something specific that you want to go through I don't see the need in going through every single item unless there's certain ones that you had a question about
that um just whether the project can go forward that's it honestly I mean I really I really com I don't think that well it's about signing an extension if I don't sign an extension I can't buy the project so it's not just like a it's not a small single family home you know it's quite
the investment here and the and the I know the owner is just it is what it is it's my nothing to do with you guys yeah and and I I in terms of the comments there was nothing in there that was substantial they were all easily
addressed I I think we did address all of their comments um I would hope that that they're okay with with with all of the responses um yeah there was there was a handful of comments that we bringing up about architectual and stuff like that okay so the that we've already talked
about so so we did we did see the rendering you know we were all I believe pretty favorable about the renderings but we do ask that when you file your site plan you do include um well when we file the building apartment yeah certainly will be well no we'll for site
plan review yes so we need part of the plan review yeah we need the elevations I believe we did submit it initially we we submitted the so as long as they're in the S packet that's okay they were certainly schematic in nature
but we did file the the the renderings of the building yeah like we talked about last time I don't want to go through a whole M architectural design 100% we wanted to give you guys a good idea what's going out there before we went to that point because this thing could be dead in the water tomorrow you
know what I mean so we just can't go that next step we already got enough invested in this that I can't keep going so as long as we have the the rendering I thought we were past that yeah I think everyone agreed that they liked what they okay
suff is it I don't know if I think there's still a number of items that I would be questionable on yeah um I I believe I would need more information from Nate based on his response oh it's still to me is not
um it doesn't meet the requirement for number one on the response like so in my opinion anywhere the question is we don't have the ability to apply for um yeah I don't believe you I don't think you qualifies for that well he's the chief zoning enforcement officer that's
why I would want more information from him to understand how he feels like how that I mean we per Sim response yes oh with with the citation to the regulation and stuff that that response yes I did I read the citation I just had more
questions okay um yeah that's certainly an important question to answer um we have permitted similar projects of similar size in town that were afforded the uh the the density bonuses the correct yeah the packing with a building of that side is very important to us especially with
whatever uses we getes it's not a 35,000 yeah the first part of the the regulation he highlights says it's subject to site plan review under this section or 35,000 ft I understand I just I would I would just require that the
board get more information as this just happened very late this afternoon a very quick response um I would think that there would be a number of conditions added to this decision based on the lack of information that you're you have
received the board doesn't have they haven't produced any uses um which provides parking issues uh so you would want to know like he would have to come back should uses be excessive to to the you know to the the parking as well uh
condition that the the height be no greater than 35 ft um there's like there's a number of things that I would add to that okay I can provide we should probably talk about those right now then I would say right we come back if if we do come back
yep I think that's what we get over with now okay um I said the height yeah so the height is under 35 yes I know I'm just telling the board no I understand so typic what what happens when when a s plan review is approved is approved with conditions so
she's just telling you these would be the expected conditions understood that would be included since it's happening quickly and there's so little detail provided as far as the uses so there are things in here that you know and even when you responded on the height it said
it would be no more than 35 it would be less than 35 ft so I'm just saying we'll condition it that way since there is no actual height on the plant absolutely of the building absolutely um and the condition of the final AC so
you talking here about you've given them the um the architectural plans but then again the Draft plans will be presented later so then I would just say that condition be that final architectural approval will be required before prior
to construction um a request for all the waivers in writing should have been provided so that they know what all the different waivers are that you're asking for because I see that there were some in here that were added as a w you know saying that you would be requesting a
waiver which is number 12 um number 19 I would condition that water allocation agreement be provided to the planning board when completed with the with the select board and the City of
Taunton M uh the whip plan should be provided at point of construction and a conditioned elicit dis charge as well would also be added and those are just the things that I'm seeing now and I have you know they'd have no idea what's going to come back
from the review from the peer reviewer so and then the Board of Health and the fire department have not responded yet because they only just got that this afternoon so there's no response from them on those items and I didn't go cover those as conditions as of yet because I'm waiting to hear back from
the Board of Health and the fire department right so there still some some missing pieces that would need to be determined I would believe before you know a con an approval provided thank you because I myself I haven't had a chance to go through these very closely at all sure and I just I
just did it very quickly and that's what I've seen just do a quick review right okay so I I do think we'll have to continue this um like I said Jack did you have some a question that you had Jack well yeah I don't want to
oversimplify this we're looking for the exterior architectural renderings and we're looking for the exterior building Dimensions right we and I would also want to make sure are we meeting ADA requirements are we meeting the
requirements of the FR as far as being able to get you know a ladder truck around right so those are two things that Nancy did just bring up about the final architectures um and then the Board of Health and fire
um so our next meeting is March 27th can we continue are you agreeable to continue to then so we can get this to peer review have a chance to digest it a little better and any you know further communication I'm sure yeah and since that the peer review
done done in a timely fashion to get to the March 27th meeting right the hope is can we pressure the PE riew consultant to make sure that they have them in within within a reasonable amount of time or they have them since we got them today we sent them right away and then
we will let them know that we would prefer them for the 7 yeah they thought they would be ready by then okay thank so we'll have response from the peer review of the by the 27 okay okay all right would someone like to make a motion to continue this hearing to the
27th I'll make a motion to continue the 10 Harding Street till March 27th 2025 second Motion in a second oh actually um Dan Jeff Dan only needs a second okay second and
all in favor members present cabal i m i wilga i all right thank you agenda item number three Lakeville Golf Course discussion Derek Maxi so we don't have anything in our packet do you have any do you have
anything to present or is it more like a verbal uh no so for the just for the rec my name is dff maxia I'm the Lakeville Country Club and no I just I've been giving it some thought and I've spoken with your town plan and Nancy and trying to come up with maybe like a master plan
for the lakel country club I mean i' I've gotten all different kinds of offer opportunities this and that and I mean you guys have seen most of them between industrial residential small industrial business so and I thought it just as a courtesy I wanted to come sit with the
board and say you know guys what do you think can we put heads together and maybe do something that'll work for the town and you know you know we have a gentleman that's interested in doing some condos uh but what happens after that you know and if that happens you know and that I'm still on the fence on all of that as well so I thought maybe
if if we could maybe get a small group together I don't residents are more than welcome and maybe a person from uh planning board Board of Health whatever and maybe come up with a plan that might work for the town uh and make it's feasible for me uh so that's I'm here to
kind of see if we can come up with some sort of plan so currently it's Zone business correct um it seemed like a lot of people were in favor of a senior overlay um if you don't mind I would like to invite anyone who's interested
in speaking to this absolutely I think Noel seems to be to be very no Reservoir app I live right near your um your place of business there uh I'll tell you it's Reservoir out is beautiful people love
to walk that neighborhood so you've got pedestrian traffic going through there one of the things that I'm concerned about is the truck route used to go right into your business from Reservoir a okay that has to remain closed off as it is
now um the the fellow who from Thorndike who did the presentation we everybody really liked what he presented and what happened with him so so nothing has actually changed with him the only thing he's concerned about is what's going to happen with the rest
of the property so and I can I can see his concern uh but it's you know and that's kind of I don't want him to tie it all up and then say okay now we can't do this we can't do this you know maybe do some more residential somewhere else or uh small business this and that
because it is business own but again I have absolutely no plans other than what he submitted and that's on the adjacent piece of property but I think that instead of me bringing people to the table here I think it really needs to be some sort of Master Plan you know it's a large enough piece of property where I
think the town input and the neighbors's input is very helpful for this and what does the town want and that's to have these these discussions really need to be held publicly because if not anything that happens with closed doors you know when it comes to town meeting and it's a zoning change I don't think it's going
to go anywhere because it's going to be that question of what happened behind the closed doors so I think this is the best Forum in a public meeting set uh you know setting um to get the input and um you know do you have anything else Noel yes you know I was expecting at the
last time we heard the Thorndike company do the presentation I was looking forward to this spring the idea is we're going to hear back from them this spring right they don't want to they they want to be welcomed into where they build and
they do nice projects and they do ethical projects and that's what I want to hear more about um the other thing is the the piece of land that you were going to sell to him there's another access and it's very
critical that that does not get breached that we do not have because it's even as it is right now people cut through hardcourt and Reservoir to get to Main Street I know that they do it and you know but we don't need that to be worsened right and I think that's why
I'm here today because he he has talked about possibly doing additional buildings later and I think that the key is okay well let's find out now what he's thinking you know where you know where and when and things like that and and I'm a little reluctant to just you know give mot blank can say Okay
wherever you want to put them later is fine with me because I don't think that's going to work and I and I when I spoke with the town planner we maybe maybe serup head could help us out or something like that and come up with just U some sort of a plan that we can present here without having a but usually the owner would present it
rather than you know going through serpent because you know who pays for Serpent's time to do that no and I could I could present an industrial Bill near tomorrow I could present multiple house and I can present this what I'm getting at is what does the town want I can't speak for the town I can only speak for
we can see what other people want I have one more thing to say and it's that we do not want another learon Hills over there we don't want Mr atani and Simmons or whatever the name of his company is we don't want that and I'm telling you
will really piss people off if that starts happening but if I were you I would get a hold of that thorn construction and and start talking with them about have them do another presentation but um does that give you does that give you a pretty well-rounded
idea of what we don't want no well yes or no I mean there it's 140 some odd Acres out there and there's access off a Crooked Lane different areas to come in and out of the place so I understand you know where you're talking about Reservoir and hack and all that which I don't think anyone's thinking of using
any of those entrances but there is another way out on crooked land you know is it possi should something be done on that end and so that way the golf course stays in the middle maybe some light business again I don't know but uh I'm getting to the point where you know I've had developers call and they want to do
300 units I've had people say I want to do the the 72 units plus another 200 later and I'm sitting there say well all you can do is present it to the town and see what happens and it just seems like we're going backwards when we do that so the question is what do the town
right Madam chair Madam chair um in my experience there has been opportunities with the state through Mass development where they could hire um technical assistance for a situation like this as long as the property owner
would be in agreement and sign um and provide a letter of support to the project and have the community work with the developer to determine what's the best in use of the site given um the community needs as well as what the developer needs and and kind of be that
Shepherd between between the the conversation CU I think that would would probably help both sides so it does work you have it does work yeah that could that could work um there that's a possibility uh serid would not be that Avenue but Mass development definitely
could provide um that kind of support as long as the property owner is an agreement um and the town is an agreement then that's something that could be worth done together yeah that sounds like a great idea and that's kind of where I'm heading with is I have no invisions of what I think it should be I
mean I've seen some projects you know they have uh like these big mix use development projects and things like that uh that can work uh but again I'm not seeing what I don't have the crystal bom I'll tell you the people that live in that neighborhood love to get their
exercise they like to walk they like to walk their dogs their kids like to go sledding down that hill in the winter it's it's one of it's a very special little neighborhood there and people feel very strongly about it they love it and we don't want learon Hills in there
I'm just I'm just saying if I were you I would contact Thorndike and see what you can get him to I know it's not it's not going to generate the kind of money you probably want to get out of that it's not about the money so you know it's it's not about the money for us cuz whatever happens there we have to live
with I just want you to remember that so thank you for listening to me thank you all did anyone else have anything they' like to share yeah come on up Susan SP I mean I definitely 40b you know nobody wants 40b there well I'm not
I'm not a 40b opponent because people need a place to live right I understand that but how long has 40b been in the state and it's not affordable and just it just pushes Shi away and I would like to see what Thorndike had you know
proposed maybe more of those units senior housing would still like to see some recreational stay there yeah I mean like Noel said people like to walk there you know there aren't many places to do that and I agree 100% with what you say
and that's why the thorn thing is only a little piece of it right what happens next so if that happens there and uh I just don't see the big picture all I see is this little chunk happening so now let me so what what thorn proposed it
was large you know multi floor buildings in a 3 Acre area so why not spread it out now and not have three stories what if what if it was more like a larger you know spread out one floor living I know
a lot of feedback is you know the the older folks that you know this is geared towards I think you might get a better response especially cuz you you know you you got an aging population in Lakeville people want to stay here people people
are ready to you know downsize so the children can now buy their move into their house or something like I've heard that's a common thing I've heard in town so if we give people like that are aging a better place to go and maybe they want a little yard where so they're not just
going into these you know apartment buildings cuz maybe that's going to attract people from the city not from people locally and I think we need to think about the people locally and and if you do like a one floor living or maybe like some that are you know duplexes or two floors but if you have like a variety I
could see I could see something like what we've looked at almost for like osrd being a potential if you're willing to put aside you know half of it right as open space well and that's kind of what I'm thinking I mean you know there's
opportunity for fishing and things like that on the property uh there's the walk in this things like that so uh but to even have like some help with like a preliminary plan what works and and the golf course can maybe go executive 18 and move things around this you know
what I mean so that's where I I kind of am asking for help on that part of it because I don't want to keep coming back to the board with with someone's proposal which they've always been someone else's proposal never been my proposal and I'd like to see that big picture you know and not just peace
maill this thing together if there's a better way to do it you already have a definitive plan that was subdivision that was um perm minut it is that was a form seat and that was mainly geared so that I could do the entrance over uh you know actually do the entrance over and
allow that section to be used for something else off to the left have has it been two years has it expired yet or no it still no has a fire and I want to I want I'd like to start on that fairly soon uh you know but then I it's like okay well what's
what's next you know what I mean I yeah I mean if if May Madam chair I mean you got a real challenge there on your property and the challenge is going to be water especially Taun and water allocation right have you given thought
to that I have but I've spoken with d as far as getting public having my own public water supply I have wells on site that would actually I'm already a public water supply now my understanding is the Wells aren't good on that site oh they absolutely are good believe it or not but anyways I've spoken with Jim mlof
he's the chief engineer at d it's a project that it's it's a project that can be done do I want to do it absolutely not you know I don't want to maintain my own water but if you go residential you do increase the amount of flow you're going to water you're going to need uh there are let's just say small business something like that's
a lot less so those are the things I have to think about as well you know is the allocation from Taunton can it be increased right now I have uh I've asked selectman to just Supply me with a waterline to the club itself uh to get off of that public water supply cuz it's
a monthly test and just like the selectman complained about uh the one of the other places how it's conversent to test it but those that's another obstacle that I have to look at septics another one after that I mean I I think water allocation is going to be the biggest thing before we even start
talking about anything with this development because if you want housing in there we know that you're going to need water right so I I would really focus on that yeah because we're going to be going around and around and around yeah and I don't look at that being a huge obstacle like I said you know you
uh I already have a public water supply I know the routine how it has to be tested you know how it has to be done it can be done it's definitely a lot less expensive than a a sewer treatment facility you know which is very expensive U so but these are all things that maybe we might come up with
something that doesn't use a lot of water who knows did you yeah come up to mic Donna gay I 126 h Road um I Heard heard the word oh I heard the acronym osrd um and I go back to the bylaws I
know that at a recent meeting it was decided that we weren't going to introduce bylaws at the town meeting for the spring um but that one that for consideration for that specific area okay so I I just have a question in terms of developers that are interested
in land in the Lakeville area do the bylaws are the bylaws a guide for developers who come in in other words the town writes the bylaws this is what an osr needs to look like this is the criteria for an
osrd if the bylaws aren't um finalized then a developer wouldn't necessarily know exactly what the town is looking for in an osrd and present a plan that meets the requirements so so I just threw that out there and I I don't want
to like trigger any sort of sort of ideas that that's like a a consider a at this time um he's mentioning mixed use maybe like so our current mixed use Stone it needs work if it were like in
good condition I would say we would look into maybe doing an overlay there but I think we would have to create a new mixed juuse bylaw um before that happens which any it sounds like anything that we're going to look at for this area would require a a bylaw change and you
know with zoning bylaw change is it has to go to town meeting has to win by a 2/3 majority vote so that's why I was saying that it should be public discussion so that everyone can be aware of all of the you know whatever discussion is being had and and the
reason for whatever it is that happens going forward but I mean there are different options osrd is just housing you know but it puts aside um you say what that is that acronym open space residential development okay so but I I
assumed you knew I didn't okay sorry more you learn the more you know the more you know the more you need to learn so Madam chair to add to that too nothing could happen they couldn't propose anything put an application in until the town had already adopted the
bylaw right it only works until it's already adopted by the town which you would be voting for and would the AG also have to approve it and the AG would have to approve it it's it would be risky if they went along before the AG he said okay but the AG would be the
final but you'd have to vote on it first so you'd get a chance to read the whole thing and it's the bylaw and the way it's written and there would be criteria um embedded in it an authority all of the key points that the town would be looking for how much open space would be
required for however many units would be developed all of that would be be written into the bylaw prior to you even seeing it and just hearing recently of how much land and space is being um
looked at by Outsiders and developers um you know it would just seem that having an osr option might be something we want to look into having closer that's good feedback so that's good feedback because a lot of the feedback that I've gotten
has been we you know we don't want it you know we'd rather you know not go that direction if if the town cuz it did go to town meeting and it failed and then they were reasons that you know I myself wasn't on board with it um the following time we were thinking about
bringing it to town meeting I didn't think it was completely done yet because um originally it had been based off of something from Foxboro but but and I don't want to get in the weeds here because we're here for one specific purpose but I mean we can put that on the future agenda we can continue
looking at it and I think what we would gear it to is what we had talked about is larger parcel areas instead of any 20 acres I mean anything large I think would probably be the most benefit to the town if some if something like that were to be considered but we I could be
a guinea pig we could we could we could try to put that by law back on the table I don't think it'll make spring because unfor we're too far we're too close to that happening um but potentially for fall then if if if you think that
there's you know if some appetite for it you know okay and I know you've been attending a lot of meetings which I appreciate so you must you're you're getting that knowledge thank you thank you um just I know you um the house just walked in just so you know we're um
we're just discussing with Derek Maxi um options for Lakefield Country Club he's come here um basically wanting to hear what residents want to see in that location uh Noelle uh pointed at the Thorndike presentation said she did want to see something along that those lines
as well as uh me maintaining recreational um aspect of the property Sue sort of echoed that as well um we've talked about water issues is there anything that you would like to um discuss as far as what you'd like to see there no we were just curious this
hope it's going on we realized that it wasn't on cable okay all right um anybody else I know Dan you about David do you have anything that you wanted to ask or add about this
discussion uh no no I just kind of interesting listening at this point uh I I do think uh uh I'd like to uh have some time to kind of look over what uh uh what open space we could uh make work
there uh and and and how how a project could work um so so I would think that it would be uh valuable to for us to sit down and and and look over what some of the options
might be uh and not keep us too much Inside the Box we could we can kind of get outside of the box with this and see what uh uh what other things can possibly be done uh especially since it's already Zone
business M Jack did you have any questions or comments that you have yes uh in spite of the problems of the first lady that spoke I think
multistory condos departments uh for 65 and old or whatever it's just not going to work I don't think people want that in this I think we see that down at the properties next to CVS where they supposedly didn't put in elevators so
anyways more importantly I think we should take a look at this although may people may not like learon Hills they should take a look at the single story duplex condos there they are very attractive they're very well built they're very accepted by over 65 and
their value has gone through the roof right thank you Jack John did you have well yeah I guess so I guess speaking to like what you want to do is to have a discussion do we do we put it on a future meeting agenda I guess and I say we could even public
hearing you know like I Wasing maybe advertise for a public hearing run it for 2 weeks so that people really hear about it and and then you can come back in and maybe you can I don't know if I know you say you don't want to get too far but if we have something to look at a map at least you know even if you just
bring something that you from the prior subdivision plan something to look at um maybe maybe that will bring more people in the board object if I worked with Nancy a little bit first and then give me a little time no I mean so cuz she had some great ideas too which I
don't mind at all yeah I think she she brings some great ideas and then we'll set a meet in after we kind of put some things together no did you have something else no Noel really I just want to say I hope I haven't heard the last of thorn [Music] Dyke thank you I think she likes them I
know I think so no he's he's It's a Wonderful company I'm just concerned about where the additional ones are going to go and you know I can't say put them wherever you want I want to cuz he's not telling me where he'd like to put them I'd like to know where where he's thinking right and I know just and
I know nobody's really said it tonight but from what I've heard over the years I know a lot of people don't want to see any sort of substantial Business Development there because of the access on clar Pond Road you know that road just isn't right capable of handling
large businesses maybe something like I don't know how you know like a coffee something maybe like a mixed juice type of thing would work for small like ice cream shop coffee shop something that the residents you know that maybe will bring people in during C thr back about
possibly taking the the restaurant Pro Shop area and just taking that building down it's fairly old and maybe do a first three story building there with first floor commercial for the golf course and then second and third floor for more condos I thought would cuz it's a beautiful view right there and kind of
keeps the hous and all near the parking and all that so that was kind of a thought I had come up with uh and he was kind of thinking that would work for him uh but again I don't want to commit to anything and that would have to be a specific mixu bylaw written for this
area have I so I know with the 40 R it had to be touching the existing 40 hour so I'm not sure how we would uh create a new mixed an overlay it would be overlay and then I would look around at other
communities I know that there were some rendering and potentially bylaws written for for like um areas around a train station that had both small like small more countryfied area look with some
some mix of businesses inside that but it was they all kind of support each other with like a little Center Center area whatever for people could gather and stuff but I think I think the town is going to want to see a lot of that Open Space Preserve though too regardless of what it is so I think I
think I would like I would like to see something that you know incorporates that as well well that's where I'd like to leave the golf course even if I have to reduce it to 18 but executive because we've got a lot of long holes but we might be able to come in a different way kind of spread it out a little bit so they could walk from one side to the
other side you know cuz people walk the golf course all the time and we've always been amenable to that and sledding and things like that we can't give them permission you know how that goes we just can let them do it yes Jack I think you know if we haven't we
should take a look at the downtown Pine Hills in lth area commercial area they have in the you know the bar shop and restaurants the I literally just
wrote love to be there walk around I think if that's what we want take a look at fine Hills and God knows Pine Hills has done it right and they've been very successful right now you can argue that it's too darn big well that's another thing but what they've done in the
downtown area having lived there 12 years I can say has worked out very well for for the people get put in a spa yeah thank you Jack all right so do you want to discuss a potential date for a public hearing
that we could look at uh can I get back to you on that sure yeah let us know give us obviously we need at least 3 weeks notice yeah well I'll I'll let Nancy I'll bring some plans to her to look at and then you know and then we just kind of go from there sounds
good thank you very much thank you jar thanks thanks for coming thank you agenda item number four review the following zoning board of appeals petition a burke 45 Holland Road regarding a special permit and variance for carport improvements
um so once again this is a residential zoning board um application we don't usually make comment did anybody have anything specific that jumps out at them for this
spot this an existing one there they're just putting a bigger one in the same spot well it looks like a second one is it bigger I I think it looked like they were taking one down and play another one up that's correct oh okay they they're single
caring to to a two car so I saw this and I thought they were just adding another one no I think they're showing the single and then but then showing the picture of the second one where they they're outlining it oh gotcha the red goes beyond the first one they're kind of centering that center around the new one
okay it's currently not um like paves or anything right now right mm- yeah so it's just going to be a cport mhm so anyone have a comment here all right so would you like to make a motion to send no comment I'll make a
motion to send no comment to the zoning board of appeals for 45 Howland Road second we have a motion in a second Cal M ey will got I all right agenda item number five planning board goals uh we do have in
our packet a nice print out here of our goal and Nancy has added on we actually have two of them cuz the first one didn't have the comments but then Nancy did add on comments so we have some comments from January February and then March which is great so we can kind of
keep track of them just keep a running tab of Cu I was kind of running out of like I was deleting and just updating in that little area trying to keep it to one but no need if freaking an evolving spreadsheet exactly um I don't think we
have to go item by item right now do you want to are there any that you wanted to maybe so where you had uh because number uh one and two I would just combine them and then put them as ongoing because
those are items that will continue and always be because you're basing it on the rest of the work and in the goals and then number three is the uh the current zoning map um that we did note that there is
missing on the on the map the flood plane the Water Resource protection district and the marijuana overlay District so I was able to contact Bridgewater State University and uh I gave them a prop proposal they sent it
out to their students and I had um a student reach back out to me and within 10 minutes and he had this work done since since just a month and and now you have a map that has all the layers on it
including the Water Resource area which covers the whole map which constantly gets forgotten about in all of the applications that I've seen of course we put a disclaimer on there that this is for planning purposes only that this is not accurate and more work would need to
be done to ensure the accuracy of the map but it does give you the the the the area to for playing for your purposes so I'm I'm very excited he was lovely to work with and I'm going to give him a
recommendation so that when he goes to look for a job um that he'll be able to take that with him from the town of Lakeville with the map so and how and I think this is just it it was almost like what we did with the rules and regulations you know we took like the easy the low hanging fruit we updated
that and now here we have Serpent's going to do a deep dive into it this year hopefully we'll get that done but at least this is this is a lot cleaner easier to look at um and everything's on yeah it's great um could we could we
post this to planning um so so um there's been some hesitance from the the zoning enforcement officer because it's not accurate I understand where uh his concerns are there would be further work that would need to be done he doesn't
want to lead people in the wrong direction should they wish to do a project and then make a determination based on off of the map that we've provided but we now have it in the planning office you will each have a copy for your purposes anybody could
come into the office and and get a print out um and also the assessors are also using it in their office as well so uh there is a purpose and everyone who needs it has it but if anybody would want a copy certainly we would be happy to provide it if they were interested
and but this is no different really then like the errors on our existing map are no different than these errors correct so it's really not worse it's it's still an improvement yeah so so I guess that would be up to the planning board to decide if you wanted to put it on the
website on the planning board website I mean I just it has a disclaimer on it so I mean if you're handing out sorry if you're handing out copies of this all already and people and who was it the assessor is already using it I
mean I put it on the website um until I mean just on the planning if it's on the planning on the planning website page that way you know I feel like it's kind of getting wasted if it's not available publicly especially when you look at our current zoning map it's so diff you
can't see the streets you have to compare it to another map this is great this is this is much clearer I hope at some point that you get it up onto exus right so that anybody who is going to look at a parcel as they do click on the other attributes like Wetlands or
natural heritage or any of those items that zoning would be an option um but we're just not there yet absolutely but let's keep this on here for our goal cuz we still want to do that deep dive like we talked about that sounds great but this is you know like we did with the
rolls and Rags right you know like cleaning it up a little right thank you you bet are you kid and thanks to the gentleman from Mike could you his last name would you be
able yes thank you I mean I I think the sport should send a thank you note to him um from all of us I I would like to you know either personally write one or or something just thanking him CU I think that's a yeah that would be so
lovely I I love that idea thank you I would be happy to to help you with that excellent yeah yeah absolutely yeah he's very sweet he has um you know he's a student and he's he's paying his own way and he's working and that's a that's a
lot and he picked this up like like that Andes put it together so what is he going into mapping okay we need his contact information I definitely want to get that contact cuz we need to map that buildable land area and I do have that
that that would be the next so yeah I sto the zon and I thought it was all done but yeah that was the next one that they um that maybe Bridgewater would be that that group that would want to take that on and we could put a proposal together um for them to consider that as it this
is the end of year so seniors are looking for projects to highlight for themselves okay so let me reach out to the the professor thank you again Nancy for absolutely your help with this and
everything yeah app fun this is and putting those pieces together and having a student be involved that just makes me really happy to help him too awesome Yep uh we had the use chart which didn't really
carry over we didn't work on that the senior housing you just heard from the developer so we're still moving along on that the rules and rs um are still ongoing with serid they're supposed to
have a um their first meeting the kickoff meeting for the rules and rig shortly so I'm thinking sometime in April that should probably be happening and Kathy is revising the updated versions already so that should be be ready for the um for the website soon
and for everyone's uses um I don't know do you want to talk about the joint meeting thoughts oh yeah so maybe that's on here too so even though you have it later in right but so yeah number eight is hold
one combined meeting with CPA and concom but something I wanted to talk about was having like a quarterly joint meeting and open it up to any boards committees commissions that want to attend um and and TR and I would even if if you're all
amendable I would even offer you know whether it's the first or no second or fourth um Thursday maybe start a meeting at like 6 mhm yeah and just come an hour earlier and have like an and like let's
not get it too long or anything but just you know have it maybe the goal is just an hour no more and but just discuss whatever before our meeting so we' have to we would have to have time so well it wouldn't be adding another day another I'm for that but maybe um just starting
a little earlier to try to address you know like get a joint meeting and and obviously not everybody has to you know if you can't make it or you know just one representative or some but something to get everybody in the same room I think that was some good feedback we had
gotten yeah from The Joint meetings communication is key you know so it's amazing how much overlap you'll find um for many different topics that come along you know generally like big things too like your master plan or has a mitigation plan or anything that you're
working on planning wise is a good topic and then sometimes developments cross over all the different departments and it's an for you to talk about them collectively as a group um Nancy would you be willing to send out that email and and actually
should we do you want to start it it's later on in in we'll we'll I guess we'll discuss it again when it come because that that's under possible vote this is just goals right y um yeah okay so we'll just keep moving through the goals for now y
um um and then the master plan was to have a meeting on the 12th uh the the master plan implementation committee I mean is but they had to postpone it it will be next week on the 18th oh yeah okay and then the storm waterer um bylaw
was at the select board meeting um on Monday night and and then it's now before you this later in the agenda excellent moving forward yeah yeah and I don't I I think we haven't really touched on any of these other ones I think I mentioned it a
little while ago remove and redo mixed use I think that's something potentially looks like that might be something that you add to like the you know the April you know try to see what that looks like okay maybe take a look at what it is now and what's what what you don't like about it that would be like your first
step yeah yeah um uh the other thing is monthly updates from serid rep David um do you have any serid updates to report you muted David you still okay
okay yeah I'm sorry I I had it on mute and that I just started talking uh no since I've been been gone for the month uh I'm kind of a little a little out of the loop at this point but uh I'll be back uh I'll be back on Monday so I'll
be back digging into what's what's going on sounds good all right anything else on goals right now I think that's it okay yeah you have any new goals um I I'm hesitant to add anything right now because we
have a lot going on so we'll table that we'll work on what we have for now uh agenda item number six administrative update possible votes so this one Nancy do you want to take this next one it's Adu accessory bylaw update
sure sure um so that went to um um the accessory dwelling unit which is 20 270-2146 60 CMR 71.0 protected use adus and she did not
have any any comments on that so I'm assuming she felt that that would be that language would be fine to carry forward and the same with the removal of 270 D 7.8 which is accessory apartment
and that was to delete the zoning by law in its entirety and she didn't have any issues with that okay and that makes sense because I think we did talk to her about and that was a consideration yeah so I think that that's easily something that could go forward to the select
board for to be added to the warrant and and their approval right all right so uh so the qu the comments do you want to quantify this on under eight correct so
under the site plan review which is um 270 oh is this site plan review oh I'm thinking the first the first page is site plan review yeah all right and sorry never mind the first and second page cover all of site plan review and
then the Adu is on the so that's all to the it's just literally just adding to the subject yes okay so just adding that and then deleting accessory in in the okay so that's that and so I made not like blue
is was already approved at the fall town meeting in 2024 so people know that this is this is all was all new still right oh and did you have that at the we do have in our packet also
um even though it was um approved at town meeting we got back from the attorney general articles 15 and 17 um we will return the approved map to you by regular mail articles um you know so they approv the Articles 15 and 17 um
the map amendments related to Article 15 from November 12 theying 4 the Articles 16 and 18 which were Adu and accessory structure they did um extend continued yeah the date for their review
to April 17th they didn't say that they didn't approve it they didn't give us any other feedback just that they're extending that review period right so that would have to remain in blue until it had fully been approved and we maybe
I don't think they'll deny it because it just is it's their language it's their language so I can't Envision that but I can't can't know what they're thinking right so um so they plan
review um 27067 section c in applicability we looked at I took another we took another look at number two and you might wish to change the
floor area to 700 Square ft as 1,500 ft seems awful large and you might want to have that triggered sooner under a smaller amount of the floor area floor area the uh the coverage of the lot
1,5 500 ft would be fine to keep but maybe just address that if you wish to to lower that number for the floor area for the floor area Okay um that was me that legal council did not mention that
at all so and then where you see aek2 on the next one the external modification for construction she just wanted to know if you wanted to um have like an amount an increase of of square footage or
change in the parking or traffic configuration um and then I said well this might be so similar to number two that you could remove this as it may already be covered under number two gotcha okay that makes sense as these were in the red were all
additional ones that we had haded from a previous meeting so these haven't been accepted yet yeah wondering the, 1500 squ ft if it should be lower but if there should be like a percentage or or percentage
right like 1500 ft and 150,000 foot yeah building is nothing but right you know if someone's if it's already only a 3,000 ft space and they're running mean they're never going to get triggered cuz they're never going to run they're going to never add add 50% but sure it be like
a a 10% or like a you know like a or 10% you know what I mean kind of or like a percentage of something we're adding on more than a certain percent no I hear what you're saying because I mean even if it is a large building if they're adding 1,500 ft and maybe that's all offices so then
we do want to look at the parking to make sure that the parking is sufficient for those additional people that are going to come into office right exactly foot of of business and you don't have to change you don't have to change the square footage it was just a suggestion and then the part two would be do you want to remove number
eight and keep just keep it as number two cuz it's so similar yeah yeah but we also but I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry go ahead joh the goal with yours was that we also have if you're changing the oent load by more than 10% that gets triggered anyway so I'm just saying if they're adding but for them to add like,
1500t of like mechanical space just because they're adding like you know some pieces of equipment that they don't want inside the building or outside the building right um I don't mind I don't mind lowering it like a th maybe like 1,000 squet and
1500 something like that so it's not the same but cuz I guess if you're an aggregate or disturbance of lot coverage of both ft which would be the same anyways it's kind of one and the same because you're still MH yeah cuz the in the in aggregate
captures it if they try to break it up to avoid the bylaw yeah um I'm just I'm kind of just reading over this number eight just to see like because I I know we had talked about capturing things that are not
necessarily a new building but if they're building like an out building or a parking lot or changing the dumpster part our and that's where you they put a dumpster
like you know where the snow snow supposed to go I don't know I'm saying but yeah I don't know if we have to want to take it po invol external modification I'm just thinking do we want to just quantify it the same
way yeah but I mean it does kind of get Capt it should get captured but there like if we're seeing a lot disturbance but if they're the problem is if they're not submitting for the site plan review
like modification no because if they may not be disturbing anything if they're building something on their existing lot necessarily I think maybe we could take out eight because 10 kind of covers
it but once again the same comment is corner ify and I like what Nancy suggests here any expansion or new parking areas for five or more parking spots think that's that that parking change that's pretty good and that's what they're they're what 20 feet wide so 5 * 20
that's like 100 yeah yeah I'm not good back my head that's why you planning yeah so if we could I okay so if if yall are in agreement take out eight remove eight but then add to 10
the quantify of five or more parking spots cuz that's pretty specific mhm mhm I think that's good perfect so so what are you going to do for
10 any expansion or new parking areas for five five more parking expansion or new parking could be expansion enlarge or you know any expansion or enlargement of new um new areas for five or more
parking spots yeah y yep yeah I think that simplifies it m mhm and then I'm just think looking at this number 11 again because we talking about ex assessed yeah that's like if it's
increasing the yeah I think that's a good one I mean is it is it left up to interpretation though like is that per or no I guess I'm trying to picture when a scenario that it would be applicable or
that so if you had the cumulative permits values that one would be hard I mean I don't want to create something that's really subjective and then it's not going to be useful or that people might pick apart at town meeting and I don't have a good right answer for it
rebuttal as to why we're bringing it I mean what would that be like it's like you know it's kind of like almost the idea of like where we say like if you're getting like a new sign you have to go through site plan review you know what I mean oh you have to go through that you know you're signed because you're changing the business name and stuff like that but that'd be the only time
right if someone was completely swapping their business out and gutting it and renovating it right like where it wouldn't be that'd be the only time that you would actually have 50% of the current assess value there's no and it might be captured by many of the other um triggers that you already have do you
think like a change in occupancy even though they may have ch of an existing structure occupied by business or industrial which increases the previously approved occupant Lo mean I guess where so is it redundant you think is it is it not capturing what you want I don't think it I think
it could probably be deleted especially if I mean I liked it because it was different it's kind of It kind of falls into like number four will kind of cover that you're just saying like I don't know what they I what they would be doing even if you were revamping I
don't yeah especially looking at property values nowadays that's a huge undertaking so that it would trigger something else I think yeah right so we could scratch the where yeah where would you like I said like where would you have
a is this for like this is more like for business right it wouldn't be under residential right right so again what's like trying to think of a building where it's call million dollars they're going to spend they're going to do a per value worth of a million you know what I mean something like that
right where they would they wouldn't be doing one of the other things above right they a change in use of existing structure to B to a business or industrial use new construction modification addition residential structure I guess I I think nine and 10
are pretty they're I'd like to think that they'll capture what we may be missing right as long as so I don't want it to be just specific to park like five parking spaces but enlargment expansion such
such as building addition or parking lot expansion oh five spaces or more but I think we do have to quantify it but the quantify is kind of up here L expansion so maybe we do need one that she she says do you want to qualif you
know quantify it right do you have to quantify it she doesn't say you have to quantify it she just ask if you want to qu change parking SL traffic that would mean like if you're even enlarging it like 2 two spaces then you would come in for site plan view do you want that like
if somebody's just adding two more spots so maybe so what if enlargement SL expansion such as building an addition or parking lot expansion so doesn't doesn't woodn't change would number 10 be
covered number nine well I guess not if they if they're only changing a parking spot right but why why would they be adding parking spots right that's why they would have to come to site plan review because they're if they're changing parking parking if the propose involves expansion of a building or so is number
nine enough is number nine good enough does that cover it if it changes the traffic volume and patterns and area noise parking lighting Etc expansion of a building I guess it's a lot easier to present a town meeting we're just adding this one right that
would result you have to think like that though you do yeah some yeah some get hung up on something and then they'll vow it down because of one thing where we're trying cuz they're watching the the dut hole
where the wall crumbles yeah around them um so so yeah I mean do we need to expansion of a building or intensification of use that would result in a change in traffic volume of patterns in the area noise parking lighting
Etc I mean it's pretty broad yeah but yeah it covers I mean you have the the building and the intense you know intense use mhm so that's really why someone would add more parking right because of the the
use has changed and they need more parking to meet that [Music] requirement noise parking lighting Etc right yeah so if all of a sudden now they have like these big spotlights that are not dark sky compliant then at least
right yeah y okay so just cut it back window down to nine nine yeah do we have to add anything except for a single family or duplex housing or something like that I'm just looking at the what was what was written number eight right where where excluding single family or
duplex housing like we're not ask them to come back for that well you could add by a business or industrial use then that clarifies it that it's not residential yes perfect by kind of similar to what we did above where it's like a change in use for
business or industrial use exactly okay people yeah we have to right okay and we'll drop 10 okay mhm 10 and 11 10 and 11 yep and eight and and drop 1,500 and number two
to 1,000 is that still you just want to keep it it's not it's not a big deal you never know you never know this is L um I think it's okay yeah
I guess and then the activi is not subject to site plan review proposals that involve no change in use or level of activity internal building modifications to a non-residential use that do not affect the scale or impact of the existing
use uh a reuse of a premise for which site plan review has already been conducted provided the new use is not different in any type or impact and those are all basically Bally given it's just now stating it so it's clear to people who are applying that okay no you don't have to apply for
these and so under review procedure one application a building permit may be subject to section 27063 c site plan review the applicant shall submit an original application one copy of the application of Butters list fees 14 copies of site plan any supporting documentation and electronic copy as
described herein to the planning department the planning department shall distribute the plans application and supporting documents to the following departments and we have fire police Board of Health conservation DPW building department Town planner open space committee and select board so
that's good that captures open space MH um which they had been taken out prior to submitting a site plan the applicant shall meet informally with a technical review commit committee consisting of the following so so the um the legal council
mentioned that the town and it was not mentioned in the list oh that's funny so you had to add it of course so now this technical Review Committee I mean yeah yeah do I'm just hoping that everybody's on board and so
like who arranges it now the planning department will Department arrange it that set up the date um you could do so basically if instead of Kathy just sending out do you have comments on this plan she would be like inviting them to
a meeting do you have yeah okay y with the developer they provide the the set of plans in advance that they would be reviewing and looking at then they meet with the developer to discuss any issues that they would have prior to so fire
department would be able to sus out any of the issues with the sprinklers the the be ability to get around all four sides of the building with his apparatus bu a Board of Health would be able to know any issues with what it
falls under his purview and sometimes building will have a few items to add about his zoning enforcement and where that would fall on their idea for their plan um each one of them has has a their
own expertise that they can bring to the table right and that's even like he's he brought Dam brought up with the water cuz that's select board so like they would have a chance to chime in about saying water allocation if there's a concern and with the select board having the storm water authority as well right that's true then that makes it more
important for them to have a seat someone have a seat at the table before it gets to them yeah and then that gives you that cohesiveness that these things have been sused out by your team yeah uh Frank may have issues with you know with how the drainage is going out onto the
road like he knows the roadway best he knows that how the slopes would be on that site and where his trigger points would be and he could be able to bring that to the table in advance before it gets too far down the line and have them fix it it actually ends up being a
savings to the developer because they don't go too far into their plans before the for the town can really weigh in on it so it'sit to both sides yeah yeah but it doesn't allude the fact that we have to
continue to keep all of these groups involved throughout the whole pering process so when plans change when they revise them we want to make sure that we're giving them back to them to make sure that the revisions didn't exclude something that they thought were in
value cuz I've gotten that feedback before too like Chang for the we gave our opinion and then they changed it and then they voted on something we didn't we didn't had said so just making sure similar to when he's like well you already looked at these elevations like
submit them then right um so my one comment on on that that line there so prior to submitting a site plan an applicant shall meet informally with a technical Review Committee consisting of the following so what so what is the
recourse if let's say the Conservation Commission is like no I don't want to meet with them so are they not are they not allowed to submit a site plan if they're saying that you have to meet with this technical me that's true or should it be that that that they should well no prior to submitting a site plan
an applicant um I want to say she'll have the opportunity well shall shall shall me if if requested shall meet you know I almost to that to the effect that if if if one of these committees waves their right to this meeting it it shouldn't
hold them up from submitting a site plan review like they shall be if if requested or something to just something to the where it leaves them out if if again if the if someone the S board's like I don't I want departments don't have any they don't have anything on the plan they don't they don't need it to
come they if if the fire department says I'm just going to I'm just going to look at their stuff I want to see it after they go they perform the site plan review and they submit it they should have that out but if if required I I understand the point of it but we could set up all these meetings and DPW is
like no and then now now we're stuck cuz it's in writing that you have to have this done that's what I'm just wondering and I don't know if that's a legal issue of you're saying that it's it's a prerequisite but if you don't get that prerequisite done are you able to move to the next step and so now we're just it's like a stalemate of going back and forth do we want to just change it to
May or is that too lenient or do we want it to be shell yeah cuz if you go May then they'll they could just skip the process Al together I mean and maybe maybe that's not a terrible thing if they feel like they're in good shape
but there should be like if you don't then maybe the the the top captures it because they already have already had to pass it out to all of those anyway and as long as we know that the tech review didn't happen we can make sure that as the planning department would make sure
that they the the plans were given to all the Departments so they have opportunity to comment right I don't know it could be May well no but you mean the prior to submitting it a site plan an applicant shall meet shall meet and formally if
requested with a with the something to that effect where and then down the bottom in your caveat there that the purpose of this you know what I mean like you could say you know you know each technical Review Committee um Department you know shall wave that wave this right at no you know I mean
something to that effect where if they wave their right that's fine then he can go but you know if requested almost like if if again I'm sure it's I'm sure it's going to be piece by piece where it's like some of these like the fire department and the police department would love to talk to before they get get their feet you know start going
on this big project again like maybe with some of the bigger developers they would have liked to like get in there beforehand so that we're not spitting our Wheels later but I just the I think that's a that's a good point and we can may I maybe ask her if she yeah if legal
council if she has a I don't know like that hold us does it hold us to it if it doesn't hold us then it's fine but the word shall always means you have to do it exact good catch yeah so I don't yeah I don't know if the word may just makes sense or if there is some other language that should be or should I don't
know yeah how is the difference code code sh's required to do it should kind of like I don't know if it should but I don't know again it's I read enough code but I don't write it so I don't I don't uh know but I just I could do a quick
you know because I could send this to her I also feel like the storm water bylaw needs to go back to Legal counsil now that um they've made some changes some of them are kind of significant with the tickets and you know things like that so I want to make sure that she she has a pass over that so I can I
can tag this and even if you have like just a quick call with her maybe just to kind of like yeah you still have your placeholder your your public meeting won't be till April 10th right so you still have time to Wordsmith this so there's no pressure it's still in good
shape okay all right okay all right yeah and this should be W Smith so that that it works site plan review is going to council for a question one question yep storm water Council
final review edits um did we want to look through the storm water is this anything that we should she did did um flag I don't see her comments on here I thought I had
used that didn't for it your comments right you have the one with both comments yes so she flagged an item she s ss3 no that's that would be oh select that's serpent serpent okay so I see
yours she would be um where it talks about going on the property I think it's under enforcement she clearly said that that's unless they give us written permission that that's not allowed and I somehow did not get
the I didn't get the comments one do you have yeah there's nothing yeah mine's black and white why you color I the wrong one okay that's not black and white but your you're just look different color gotcha I just want to make sure I with the right one you got
the gray scale yeah it's green and red place blue looks different so that's why I just want to make sure I the right one that's weird how that happen so if you I mean if you want to just talk to her about yeah that too then yeah um I mean there is a uh I can
create a form for people to to sign for the select or agent or peer reviewer to go that would happen at the point of application we could do that and then that covers anyone being able to access
the property which you're going to need they're going to need to access the property to be able to review the property for the storm order to make sure that the slopes and things like that are kind of in Jive so okay it might be that we can create a form I can create the form that they sign right off
the beginning when they file for anything under the storm water then they that would trigger that responsibility would be off of us and and be held by the applicant if they wanted to file then part of that filing would mean that
you have to allow people on your property right okay so we did talk about public hearing schedule yeah date um we're looking at oh my Lord April 14th was it gosh I
can't remember 10th April 10th okay so we don't need to send these officially to the select board yet we can you can wait right till March
27th and I think you'll have finals oh so on so on our next meeting we'll have the finals then we can send it over to select board officially then we'll we have the public hearing date for April
10th and that should be good par the time frame let me check the times I'm starting to get a little worried oh why I'm just going to check the times and I'll get back to you tomorrow cuz I I always get a little concerned about I
think it was April 14th is the day that it closes right yeah that's what it was so that would make it all right yeah so as long as we send it to the you know officially on the 10th right no that's the public hearing so as long as by March
20 yeah 28th they would have it yeah we're fine then you're fine okay yeah all right good good oh so Friday the 28th okay no no no I know I know the days AG's always very very stringent you don't you don't miss
those Dar there too much going on that's what it is no all right so all right inter departmental meeting is the next item here under administrative but there is something I
think I don't know if you want to say it or if you want me to say it but because it's kind of tied to this in my opinion okay so and do you want mean to say sure so unfortunately we did get um we're
losing Nancy dery our wonderful planner we did get notice today that she you she let us know officially um which is devastating because you've been so wonderful and thank you for you've done so much in such a short time
I appreciate you allowing me to do so much for you it has been equal equal enjoyment I have enjoyed working for you as well so I was I was I had very negative attitude towards this whole planner thing and you have changed
that and I'm very I'm very like so now I'm but I'm still I'm very I'm skeptical and scared about what we could end up with so because of that for this next item which is this inter departmental meetings I'm just hesitant because I don't know what we're going to end up
with um yeah in your position and just I don't want to see bad representation or like someone who maybe going have the best interest for the town who might not be listening to
the feedback I feel like you were very good and very receptive at listening to the feedback I felt confident that you had a good handle on what Lakeville is looking for and that like that made made me very confident with you taking this I know I had already expressed my concern about the inter Department because like
I don't know about these offline conversations so I do I return to that concern now at this point so I think I would like to see instead of interdepartmental meetings I would like to see the quarterly um yep joint meetings just so
if we could if you don't mind sending a memo out an asking you know the planning board has discussed we can take a vote on it if you guys want um and we're offering either the second or fourth Thursday in the month at 6:00 p.m. to
have a you know limit it to an hour y um but to get any interested departments committees Commissions in involved so um I love even if it's just the representative of each I do I like it so obviously we'd have to hold it at
the library somewhere bigger on those evenings but I think that would be wonderful for the town to implement I think it's an opportunity like you said communication is key for for everything that you do absolutely being able to communicate with with everyone not be in
our silos you know just keep like running ahead um it offers offers you maybe some opportunity to plan the community together before things happen to you yeah yeah so so instead of inter
departmental meeting it'll be quarterly so like March June September December um quarterly joint and you're going to send out a memo okay do you want to uh it does say
possible votes would would we like to take a vote to make it official the planning board is voted are you on board John you look no I'm fine no we're we're a little bit uh I know yeah in U yeah no no no I'm good uh no I think that would be that's good I think that's good to the quarterly one
so no I was thinking if we so if we had it at the we'd have to have at the library so we'd have to have our meeting at the library that that2 there's no way we're going to get out of there and over to here right right especially if some of them get some of them we open the mic up to some of them and they'll be you you could see what the interest is too
you may still be able to have it here and just reorganized it a little no we've done them here before we did it for the for the December the 26th one and then when you know you have a Hot Topic you move it to a bigger venue yeah I just don't know about yeah if if not be open to the public obviously so I
don't know how could do it for the first meeting it it doesn't go it doesn't have to be public input though because if it's if it's it's open meeting but it's not yeah it's not a public hearing it's just yeah it's just yeah right but at least you know even maybe we don't have a lot of topics and it's a quick one
maybe we have five maybe maybe the first one's going to be you know like just like an exploration to see who's actually interested you'll have to remember which which meeting place you're going to on that let me warn you oh it's happened before I swear to God I thought it
was just you'll figure it out you know if they're not here they're just over there yeah um how about Pine Crest Village did you have an update yeah so um we did receive a a complaint from an AB budding neighbor of the project the developer
did go out and create the um the rumble strip yep and fixed whatever issues that neighbor had had with some previous work that had been done so um and was the neighbor and the neigh seems he I didn't hear back so I'm assuming he's okay I took a drive up there it it looked
pretty good I I I received the pictures from them they were out there the next day so it was good they were they were they were happy see what she's got see what see what just having that good communication and that are you
absolutely sure are you um then we also have a 13 Main Street update right so um this week what day Tuesday Tuesday I think it was went out with um the owner
um their engineer which was Zenith and um Apex to take a look at the site we had the plans with us the ASU and the original plans that were signed by the board she had already done a preview review of of both plans so she had
questions they were answered we walked the entire sites looked at the the drainage the the size of the piping the the screening um the slopes and um the drainage basin there were a few
questions we asked for the Board of Health as builts and he's going to shoot some grades on the actual drainage to make sure that the outflow of the drainage is actually at the right height so that the water can actually leave the the Basin did ask him if it you know has
he seen it in a rain event how is it working he said seems to be working fine um only concerns I had were the slopes on the side of the property cuz it really drops off there should be um better uh better control erosion control
measures put in some vegetation or stones or something something to slow it down a little bit Yeah cuz they're very steep slopes and then they will just erode on each side of the yeah on the back side on the back side yeah but you
yeah it's a view up there is pretty good yeah yeah but it's very nice and we should have a peer review report from Apex which they can respond to um just like you do with anything else but yeah that that backside construction going
forward will be really important um as well and that that's easily can be continued as you write I can give you the language to write it right in the decision you do that preconstruction meeting on site you have you know Highway they're your engineer their
engineer everybody's on the same page they know that there supposed to contact the planning department when they need an inspection they're contacted uh Apex would be contacted they go out they do the inspection they write the report they give it back to the planning board
so that you know what's going on throughout the whole backside of the project when it's being developed okay you've been great Nancy you've been great um next thing new business an anr application we do have
in our packet so this is much oh the only thing I did see oh did you not again no it's not or maybe I saw I did I promise you that drives me insane and I I was like so embarrassed I'm like no in
fact before I left I would typed it in to see what was there maybe I don't know maybe I'll make sure you'll have that one I'll give you mine cu it does that's so funny yeah no I'm just talking in the anr yeah application
Rochester it does yes it does it steal I stole I'm sorry but this is great this is this is awesome you know it it lets them know exactly what they need very clear um so it does say possible vote so oh so
let's take a vote about the let's take a about vote about the um memo being sent so yeah to um the board's committee commissions and then also we'll take a vote on this right so I'll make a motion to send a memo to the other what other
boards commission boards commissions committees um for a quarterly uh joint meeting to be held on on pre I guess preceding our our scheduled one of our scheduled monthly
uh planning board meetings second motion second all in favor cabal i m wilga i all right and now so let's with that one minor change it's
heref as long as you got the do and I'll make sure that is the one that ends up being put out there in the world um so to accept this form a um application I'll make a motion to accept the anr form a application with the one minor
edit is listed all right we have a motion second and the second all in favor cabal i m i wilga i all right thank you once again Nancy this is excellent to have this done yeah I have um I'm going to have c um form C Form B
ready for you for the next meeting and those will be this the form Form B is not going to be any different it's just going to change change to look like all the same and then the the the formy will have more of the meats and potatoes in it okay cuz that would so if they're
coming in with a preliminary plan they're still preliminary they still haven't quite figured out all the things that they're doing potentially and then but the definitive plan would have all of the all all of it in there and make sure that those things are or paid attention to I want to make sure I'm
going by what you have in your rules and Rags but there might be some new things that I would add so what I will do is I'll add the new things in Red so that you know that those would have to be included in your rules and rs before you could implement it okay right just so
that you're covering all your bases okay so we' basically want to accept the draft minus those but then once serpent is completed the full then you can add those in as your final rules and rs as you adopt those okay that's
the way I would do it all right but I'll make sure that I so then Kathy will just have to keep two cop separate I can make two separate right one that you could have now and then one that you could have later and the red would be the different okay excellent all right thank you yeah yeah and then the fall town
meeting attorney general response we kind of we already went over that um there are a couple things that just that came up I wanted to discuss you know your resignation um I I was I do have a meeting coming up
next week just uh with the HR Director and and just to determine um next steps um I I would be whatever you're if you're willing to stay on in any capacity um if that's a
possibility um I'd like to get the board's feedback if um if there's anything that you want me to bring to that meeting next week for consideration um I mean my my thought is you know I'd like her to do an exit
interview um absolutely if if she's willing or able to stay on as a consultant even if it's just for the interim yeah if we're going to look again for Town planner cuz that may be a long process again and I I hate to be
with like I I feel like I don't know what to do without you now it's crazy in two months the the change of the dynamic I'm sure Kathy I mean you must not happy no no no none of us are you know it's devastating you know
um I think even all the feedback that I've got throughout town it's all been positive all been positive well I I feel really good that I have been able to have the impact on all of you that means that I did my job like I was doing what I'm supposed to I don't I don't want to
lose and I I I went through the sadness I went through the denial I'm mad I'm just like Devastation them off you know um but so you you know I'd like to have if if you're open to that
conversation I'm sure I I think that's very fair if anybody I don't know if Jack or Dave if you are still there Jack if if you have yeah I'm I'm still here and uh yeah I would love Nancy to hang
around kind of as much as she can thank you Jack yeah that was D thank you David Jack are you still there you're on mute if you are he might be in the middle of
something all right so um also oh um Monday select board they discussed a Economic Development Committee um I think they're going to wait until after the election to form that but I was concerned that they didn't mention the planning board member and I know like
that' be great I'm I already CPC M I know Dave is on surad Jack's on master plan I don't know if either John or Dave was that the economic Economic Development Committee I I was hoping to maybe send a memo just say you know would be interested in having a planning
board representative there yeah for that because it just either way either you I mind do okay whatever you want to do all right that's fine um and I mean it's not on the agenda so I want I don't want to take a vote but we have discussed it so if are you able to send a memo as to the
select board just saying we discussed um and we would like the opportunity of having a planning board member at that table that committee when it's formed Economic Development absolutely I think that would be a good idea and then um you included the zoning
map in here for the goals and then um there was something else with the solar panels I wanted to just mentioned that you were able to get done with the oh the bond yeah so you have um uh the solar project that was done on Crooked Lane off of Crooked Lane so um there's a
decommissioning bond that's associated with that project so that decommissioning Bond will last the life of the project generally those are about 20 years but tracking them is difficult so I was able to reach out to the to the
owner of the property and they were able to give me the updated bonds so you now are updated until February 12th of 2026 okay the treasur holds the original Bond and now the she has the original in
her files with the contacts of who I dealt with cu the company is from Spain but they have a uh uh a state side representative and then I also gave a copy to the accounting office and and Kathy will have the whole file on the
bonds okay important to keep track of them cuz they won't MH and they were surprised okay and then when I got tougher with them and said you know further action we'll be taken if we don't receive bonds within XY time they then found them actually no then they
actually went and got them cuz their last Bond was in a June time frame so they let it lapse so staying on top of them no one wants to be that person at the end of the project that dropped the ball and didn't do the decommissioning
bond and so now the inter team the treasurer and the accountant are both aware of this as well have contacts as well and they can also track it as well thank you once again thank you for get that done yeah so I I guess the only other question I would have with regards
is do we have any other solar Farms all in town or is that town that I know of that's Berkeley you mean free town oh there's a Lakeville Country Club yeah there's a Lakeville Country Club oh okay I was going to say cuz that's what the whole thing with the
the subdivision was right there oh right cuz he that's private yeah priv private that's his own that's his own solar farm it's his own okay yeah and then anything on buildings doesn't count right so yeah they're on their own yeah but when you
had the the application come in and they were permitted and a decommissioning bond is really important to hang to all right yeah yeah cuz who knows what's going to happen when they get to the end of the life are they going to want to put new solar panels up uh I think they
will but if they don't and they abandon it then the town still has those funds to to go in and remove them decommission it themselves M okay yeah I mean if anything they could replace all those trees that are dead on Crooked Lane that I've been looking at every day that I
dve believe Barbara used to say that all the time but I digress is that the screening though that was supposed to be the screening now some trees took but the what 80 90% of the trees all die Brown yeah so one of the conditions that you can put in in the future is to make sure
you do two in a fiveyear you could even bom them to make sure that really you can make them bond that oh that's another thing maybe we should add that to our conditions so that like our general conditions like pay they they pay for the replacement of them and they
sometimes you have the 2year and then you have the 5ye because it may make 2E it might not make three so that covers the whole I mean it looks awful I know we do have something in there for landscape but I think yeah we probably want to even tighten that language if we
can on our standard go back into the decision and see what the language says I know it was it was not good enough because that was something I can tighter language on screen on on the screening and also on the bonds for the two and
the five year right yeah for like the maintenance of their land ex exactly yeah and those things are like uh what Douglas fur somebody puts a cigarette to him goes right up right yeah and all the fires we've had this year yeah I don't
need that okay we do have a set of minutes from December 26 this was a long one thank you Kathy oh there was one one word just one word I got to be that guy let me see page two second to the bottom paragraph first
line more housing then not that just a typo anybody else edit I have to abstain okay I think Jack Well Jack can't vote we can't vote so no you you can vote if you read it if
you watched the meeting okay yep I did so we can still approve them or I think we can even still approve them with just a quorum of us yes of the me the attending members so um I make a motion to approve I'll make a motion to approve the Thursday December 26 24 meeting
minutes as as with the one edit second Motion in second all in favor cab I welga I minutes are approved our next meeting is March 27th 2025 at the Lakeville police station any other
business I had one quick thing was I was approached by a planning board member of Berkeley said that they may want to they cuz they're into that housing T they may they may Reach Out to see if they can um if talking they want they might might
want to I have like a meeting but have a meeting with to talk to the other planning boards for like free town and yeah cuz so so we're we're in compliance because of our existing Zone but we know that it will affect us well now they're a surrounding Town yeah because they
just with the startup of the new rail line all of those communities that are connected to the South Coast rail are now either adjacent or communities that have you know a station so that would be like Freetown Berkeley Fall River New
Bedford Kush no we're yeah Mrs aush but are we we'd be we are adjacent now it's considered from middle you guys were all but there's one in Freetown now so that's why Berkeley is exactly that's
why Berkeley same route as like middleb kind of with that so he yeah he reached out yeah I mean reach out I mean I don't see I don't know I'll say what it happens I'm not not yeah not just I said it's do they want to come on over and I don't they might be talking to try to find a meeting with them so so my
brother-in-law's on the planning board there so he he brought up to me at a family gathering last week my husband's in a Lama Berkeley planning board yeah yeah he's on there for 20 years okay come on come on up
no all right well so I mean I hate to say it but this is going to be your last meeting potentially unless unless Convent you otherwise unless we can Tire up keep in L cam office love it all
right but um yeah I don't know what else to say except for thank you so much apprciate I hope we can work out something I want you to I would just want you to know like you are the best planning board I ever worked for nothing thank you the best planner that I have
ever worked with I've worked with a lot more boards than you've worked with planners so I can tell you they're not all the same and you are doing a great job keep it up keep going you're doing good for the town but like I said I'm I'm hoping we
can keep you in some capacity if possible y so so you might not be able to get rid of us that easily big much B thank you I'll uh I'll make a motion to adjourn motion second second all in favor
M meeting is adjourned just kidding