##VIDEO ID:r0ZwekphSqs## I call to order the November 7th 2024 Planning Commission meeting please join me in the flag pledgees Miss goodroad will you please call a role of members zik trafis here kza here morovich Zimmer a I here Swinson here all right agenda item number three approval of minutes of the October 17th 2024 Planning Commission meeting minutes fellow Commissioners any changes and the meeting minutes will stand Miss Jensen any announcements tonight uh you have before you some revised stipulations for agenda item number five Mr Dempsey will review those as a part of his report um other than that there are no other announcements all right and agenda item number five um this is a public hearing so anyone wishing to speak on the agenda item please make sure you fill out the information in the back um this is a public hearing for PCL Construction Services Incorporated the public hearing to consider the application of PCL Construction Services Inc for a conditional use permit to allow an exception to the exterior Building Material requirements in the i1 light industrial district thank for allowing me to speak this evening um showing up this morning or this evening uh my name is Trace s I'm the procurement manager for pcl's Minneapolis district office and we are fortunate enough to be leasing a warehouse space here in Lakeville and Our intention for this um um requisition is to have extend our um storage capabilities for the warehouse that we have we have about 20,000 square feet of inside warehousing and allowing us to uh build this canopy temporary canopy structure while we're leasing the space in Lakeville allows us to keep our warehouse clutter fle clutter free and in more of a safe working operation I'm also here to answer qu any questions that you might have thank you you madam chair planning commissioners here we go um so the requests today from P construction they're located at 21435 humble Court uh they're proposing a um accessory building structure um that uh that would be located on the property uh in this i1 Zone District i1 district property Limited in or light industrial I should say um this is the the property these two Parcels right here um and uh adjacent to the property is uh public open space which is this uh the stream Corridor and adjacent to that are uh residential uh medium density and lower density uh single family um and an additional public open space north of that 25 Street um County Road 70 is located to the South this is a recent aerial photo of the property and it shows the location here of where this building would be uh constructed um this is a a a paved area that was a paved outdoor storage area for a large uh Tire Company uh that used to that originally occupied this uh the space or most recently did I should say and uh and this was their outdoor storage area so it is a hard surface there's an existing accessory building that was constructed by a previous tenant here in the past uh um this is a copy of uh of the plat and it again it shows kind of the outline here it didn't it didn't uh develop exactly how this is laid out in here but it just shows the two different properties and I wanted to point out that this these are two separate lots and until recently uh these were being two separate Lots we could not issue a building permit for a building on this property unless it was combined with the principal lot with the principal building and so the property owner which is not PCL Construction did combine that now it is considered one parcel the building that's proposed uh and this opening here would be facing south uh it' be constructed uh kind of a fabric um special fabric type of hoop shed uh design and it would be con installed on top of shipping containers that would also be used for uh storage purposes potentially the building height is about 26 ft uh the building height allowed in the district is 45 ft um one of the conditions we had is that and this by the way is an example of a of a similar building it's not the exact um structure in terms of the shipping containers but uh one of our concerns was that uh is that the the shipping containers be you know recently or good painted or in good condition and you know not damaged um and then of course a building permit would be required for the building this is the rear probably an actual view of what the the fabric structure would look like this one here is constructed on a concrete foundation type thing but this is representative of what the building material will look like uh and this is this design of the uh of the shed um roof and you know the like I said building permit wind load all those kinds of things have to come into play with the design um so the reason we're here for a conditional use permit is that uh the zoning ordinance does require that uh industrial buildings accessory buildings match are similar to uh the principal building in this case the principal building is a part masonry part steel sided pre-finish steel sided building and so uh if there's a deviation from those matching building construction materials uh than a conditional use permit is required and that's where we come in the play with making sure that the building is you know designed in a manner like uh like I said dent-free um shipping containers recently painted and it's maintained the roof would have to be in in repair there's any tears that kind of thing have to be repaired so um the uh narrative by the applicant talks about the type of fabric roofing material that's proposed there's a similar one out on uh Kenrick Avenue also an industrial Zone property that the city approved a conditionally used permit for some years ago so the total square footage uh for this building would be uh and the then for this building would be 2, uh 640 Square ft the zoning ordinance allows 30% of the equivalent of the principal building on the property to be um which approximately 25,000 Square ft that can be used for accessory building so with the existing uh shed and the proposed comes to 3, uh 70 square uh 740 ft which is well under the 30% be approximately 22 perhaps 24 feet in height um and again there's similar facilities at city of Lakeville properties and also uh uh on Kendrick Avenue we have been getting similar requests for these types of buildings uh just because of their economical uh nature for construction for buildings that just need cover and not you know heated buildings um so there there is uh stipulation uh or conditionally use permit stipulations in here um there's stipulation number four uh recommending that uh it be removed because um the applicant had brought up and I think he mentioned here calling it a temporary building in the sense that if they left the site they would likely take the building with them so I included that as a condition and it was brought to my attention that unless it's an interim use permit uh there are no Sunset Clauses in with conditional use permits so the the if it's removed as recommended uh it could remain on the property for a future tenant but I'll leave it with that once we approve this if if the city authorizes this construction we would just consider it another building and it would be uh you know monitored over the years for you know blight purposes and things like that if it ever need to repair so um I think that's it there's any questions thank you and this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak can come forward Madam chair seeing no one coming forward I would make a motion to close the public hearing second I have a motion in a second to close public hearing all those in favor please signify by saying I I I all opposed all right the public hearing is now closed um fellow Commissioners any questions or comments uh Madam chair yes uh the question I have is about temporary um how long is the building likely to be used is there a plan sorry we had uh agreed to an initial five-year lease with two uh fiveyear options behind Okay thank you any additional comments questions Madam chair yes um first off I'm familiar with these types of buildings um working in the industry that I do we do a lot of salt storage and Equipment storage and things like that um understand in this case you're leasing the site um so it's not that you own the site that type of thing I'm I'm struggling a little bit with the conx boxes or the um storage containers being used as the base for this structure um I know we talked and wrestled with this back when we were talking about the um Lakeville Brewing buildings going out there and kind of opening the door up to using more of these types of structures and that type of thing and I'm just kind of curious what if any precedent we might be setting by allowing this type of structure to go in particularly when there's not a removal Clause um associated with it so I'm just kind of curious what staff's thoughts might be on that yeah I do Madam chair commissioner Swenson I do recall those discussions uh if we're going to allow them the staff's position is that they have to be you know of a painted and non- dented at least um that that's that's kind of the base that we're going to consider allowing these uh and then over time I guess if it has to be repaired that would be something that the city would have to contact the owner about um but you it's possible we'll see more of these we we the other consideration if it's doesn't have such a a wide uh building setback as maybe some other properties would have the site was set up with this perimeter screening um even before this residential area was constructed and you know if this building was going to be right up you know against these homes like right in here I think there would be a different position on this for the entire structure um but in cases like this or farther in other locations at the industrial park we're seeing a lot more requests for these and I think other cities are also you know considering allowing them as well so it's a bit of an exploratory motion we're making here are we out of place for a motion Madame chair you said make the motion uh to recommend approval of the PCL Construction conditional use permit for an exception to the exterior Building Material requirements of the I one light industrial district for a detached accessory building at 21435 Humbolt Court subject to the three stipulations listed in the November 1 2024 planning report question is is it as amended as amended that's correct it should be as amended I thought because it thought I heard you say that I'm sorry in November one okay so it have to be as amended thank you second right I have a motion in a second um miss good will you please take a roll call vote kza I morovich I Zimmer I in I Swinson da Travis I and I'm going to guess you're going to want some reasoning fair enough so I guess I was comfortable approving this when it was with the stipulation for removal of the structure when it was complete or when the occupant might leave this facility that type of thing now that that's been removed with the understanding it would have to be under an intern permit that's where I'm not comfortable with that that this could become a permanent structure and remain in perpetuity so that that is my logic and reasoning thank you commissioner Swinson no problem and miss good when would this or Miss Jensen when would this go in front of city council November 8 thank you um all right agenda item number six this is a public hearing uh us Home LLC lenar public hearing to consider the application of us Home LLC lenar for a preliminary plot of 88 single family lots and 144 attached town home lots to be known as Cedar Hills North and here to give us an overview of the project is Steve Roski you got it good evening Steve trosy with lenar most people get that wrong so thank you happy to be back in front of the Planning Commission for the next round of review and approvals for what we're calling Cedar Hills North as it says we're going to have 88 single family homes and 144 Town Homes at full buildout so it's not going to be all at once if the weather holds on this project we plan to start grading yet this fall if not we would go into spring late spring of 2025 for this so the buildings on this community would look just like those at the Cedar Hills Community to the South so if you want to take a drive there and and see what the buildings would look like I invite you to do that please uh we plan three phases of construction for this project uh the first phase would be all single family homes phase two would be single family homes and town homes phase three would be single family homes and town homes as well so happy to take any feedback you have as I mentioned in September when I was here we're very excited to be back in Lakeville staff has been great giving us a lot of guidance and so we're happy to be at this point Thank you thank you good evening commissioner uh this is the public hearing for the Cedar Hills North preliminary plant uh its location is north of 200th Street between Cedar Avenue and our city boundary with the city of Farmington um just to the South is the current Cedar Hills development that lenar is working on so that's where we get the name from uh as you may recall about a month or so ago we did um zoning map Amendment and a comp plan Amendment for this property um this is the zoning that uh Planning Commission recommended approval of and the city council approved um it will not go into effect until uh a final plat is recorded but this is what the site would have for zoning the area in Orange is the rm3 that's the attached town home area the area in green is the rst2 that's where the single family homes are located uh this is the overall preliminary plat while we are really looking at I get my mouse here the South half of the property is is what's currently being developed because of the parcels that are involved in um the various Parcels that are involved in this the essentially the north half um is here on the preliminary plat because the parent Parcels are that large but the actual development only involves that South half of the project so there is the layout out for uh that project uh it's about 76 Acres of the 148 that is proposed to be developed as Mr trasy said there's 88 single family lots and 144 attached town home lots um point out a couple of unique items about this plat there is a large 100 foot wide gas M easement that runs through the property and then then there is also a a Waterway Channel that's being restored um that um is being worked on that um is also a constraint on the property as far as laying it out so there's been a lot of work on this site between those uh two items to to get a layout um that would work meet our ordinances and work for uh Lenard's needs as I said the the single family is is on the East and kind of this south side and then the attached town homes are over here on the north and west um there are three Street connections up to Future Parcels in the north one within the town homes this m this minor collector galif Fray way that splits the property that will go north and then another uh local residential um over here on the east side and there are two access points from 200th Street that align to existing streets on the South Side into the Cedar Hills development as I mentioned gal freway is a minor collector um there is a STI ulation in the report that those um those lots that are on Corner Lots uh adjacent to galif fray will be required to have their driveway from the side street um there is this one lot up here that does not have an option and minor collector roads are allowed to have driveways out onto them but where we can avoid it um on the corners we do require it be the side street just to help improve the flow of traffic um and minimize conflicts on those streets um there are some private streets within the town home area um this street here is public and this street here is public but these you know drives through here over here and then these in this area are all private they will be owned and maintained um by the HOA and they are between 24 and 28 ft wide which does meet our ordinance requirements um one of the stipulations in the report stipulation number 14 was included in error it uh refers to the units the attached town home units needing to meet certain garage sizes lot width and size the rm3 district does not have those requirements so um I would ask that you um amend the stipulations I apologize I didn't catch that until just before the meeting so I wanted to point that out for you as Mr trasy said this development would be within three phases um first phase being generally south of the Waterway the single family homes second phase moving up galr to do the uh attached town homes that are east of the gas pipeline and then phase three is the single family north of the creek and then the attached town homes on the other side of the gas pipeline um for that's how it's proposed that may change as things move out um just to show you a ghost plat that was put together for the areas to the north um the developer or Future Property Owners are not obligated to develop uh the property in this manner it's just looking at where are the potential Street connections and how could the property be laid out um this these Parcels have the same challenges as the one to the South the gas pipeline runs through there and there is a second Creek that runs through tributary in that area as well so the site is shown to be continued development with attached town homes and single family the attached town homes in this area that the zoning on that is the corridor mixed use for the cedar um so it would allow high or higher density housing as well as um commercial uses on the site but there is nothing proposed for that area currently um the other exception parcel um as you'll recall at your last plan commission meeting you approved a um or you recommended approval of some cups for uh an accessory structure on that site the council did approve that on Monday evening uh Mr borman's property is here the ghost plane is showing that there could be a culdesac off of the street here and several Lots off of that should Mr Borman ever choose to sell or someone else purchase it for development um it it could be um developed in that manner uh this is the tree inventory uh all the red dots uh it's essentially the the trees that are around several of the homes that are on some of the smaller Parcels um those trees will all are proposed to be removed uh with this with this development um this is the landscape plan the um the Landscaping along 200th is required to meet our buffer yard standards those are the single family homes that rst2 District does require that there are plantings along Cedar here within the rm3 district to buffer these Town Homes rm3 District doesn't require that the buffer yard standards um within the zoning ordinance be strictly met um but it does require that there be plantings there to serve um the buffering purpose we were trying to provide some additional flexibility with that rm3 District so um lar is proposing um a a landscape buffer in that area to help with those town homes and then there are some other trees scattered throughout mostly the um open public spaces on the site and then this is just to give you an idea of of some of the foundation plantings that could be around the um attached town home units um and that's all I have for you this uh if the Planning Commission chooses to recommend approval of the Cedar Hills North preliminary plant staff does recommend it be subject to those 14 stipulations listed in the October 29th report as amended and I will stand for any questions you may have thank you and this is a public hearing so anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item can please come forward my name is Joe Samson and we do live on the south side in the Cedar Hills development um and one thing that I didn't see addressed on here and I'm assuming it will can you state your address sorry for the record 286 gamma Lan sorry um the only con I didn't see on here we didn't see on here and several of our other residents were expressing some concern is uh the traffic control at 200 and Cedar Avenue um it's very difficult now with traffic even today making a rightand turn because there's many people trying to make a left turn on there to go south and Theater which backs up traffic and I understand it's only a two-lane road up there but we've also been witnessed to several very significant accidents at that location so I just I was hoping to see or some conversation about you know what the trafficking situation is going to be whether it's going to be a light or whether it's not going to permit a left turn or or what so that's okay thank you yeah thank you anyone else wishing to speak on this agenda item seeing no one else come forward I would make a motion to close the public hearing second I have a motion in a second um all those in favor of closing the public hearing please signify by saying I I all opposed all right the public hearing is now closed um M Jon can we talk about the concerns with is there any um planned lights or or anything regarding the the count the 200th Street is a County Road um County Road 64 Cedar is a county state a Highway uh saw 23 so both of those streets are currently under the jurisdiction of Dakota County um I do know that they have been watching that intersection and um would likely do some sort of um restriction implementation um I believe they are and engineer Nelson can um correct me if I'm wrong the in in the future near future 200th Street on the west side of Cedar will be improved to a pave Road it is currently gravel and I believe the um intersection restriction would likely occur at that time I I believe it would be um either a right in right out or a three4 intersection yeah that's correct and just to add to that they are going to be installing right turn Lanes with this development as well and the county is planning to do a traffic count upon buildout conditions to to further analyze the situation okay thank you uh fellow Commissioners any additional comments questions chair yep are you ready for a motion I think so uh I motion to recommend approval of the Cedar Hills North preliminary plant of 88 single family home lots and 144 attached town home lots subject to the 15 stipulations listed in the October 29th 2024 planning report as amended 14 stipulations as amended second all right I have a motion in a second Miss goodr will you please take a roll call vote Kusa morovic hi Zimmer hi Han hi Swinson hi Travis I and when will this go in front of city council uh November 18th all right thank you uh good luck on your project and with that uh the meeting is adjourned exped my pen explosion