[Music] Welcome to the Thursday, May 8th, 2025 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board. It is 7:13 and we are meeting tonight at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street. We have Lake Cam recording and we do have a quorum this
evening, Mr. Cabraw, Mr. Lynch, and myself. Um the is anyone else recording for the record hearing? None. The first item on the agenda is the ANR plan for Justine's Way 62 Fuller Shores Road map
lock and lot 55-5-602 and map block and lot 55-5-6B Outback Engineering possible vote. Good evening. I'm uh Jack Sergeant with Outback Engineering here to present this uh plan of land at uh Justine's
Way/62 Forshores Road. And so we have um an existing lot 13 and a uh lot 14. Lot 13 is a uh not a boatable lot. And what we're doing is we are taking a uh
portion of lot um oh sorry this is lot four and lot 13 and what we're doing is we're taking a portion of lot 13 which is uh 1.16 acres
and creating a lot 14 and combining uh the existing lot 4 and lot 14 to create a uh new lot 14 which would have a uh total Total acreage of 3.57 acres. All right. Does anyone have any
questions, comments, concerns? So, it's basically a land swap. Yeah. Okay. Looks like everything that we look for is shown. No wetlands. Thank you. They're just taking some land from one
to another to the other. Yep. Straightforward enough. No questions. No questions. I'm going to approve. Yep. I'll make a motion to approve the ANR for Justine's Way and Fuller Shores Road. Second. Motion and a second. All
in favor? I I thank you. Carries. Thank you. Have a good night. All right. Agenda item number two, public hearing, site plan review for 19 Main Street, continued to this evening upon the application for a site plan
review submitted by CD Dank Danskowitz Realy Inc. for the construction of a proposed mixeduse retail and business development comprised of two buildings and associated site improvements. Accept request to continue until June 12th, 2025.
Make a motion to continue um 19 Main Street till June 12th, 2025. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor? I I I. Motion carries. Agenda item number three. Um unfortunately we are not able to open it
because we don't have um a quorum. John would have to recuse and so Jack and myself are not able to open this. We did speak to the applicant uh and just let him know um that we will be revertising and get this um on the
agenda for May 22nd. So, I won't be opening that public hearing. We will open it at our next meeting. Um, moving on. Agenda item number four, notice of intent to lay out
a portion of Harrison A, possible vote. Now, this item, um, I wasn't sure what it was when I first saw it. I thought it was a street acceptance, but it is a street that the town already owns. Um, it's actually being done in
conjunction with the Route 79 improvements and as they were going through the various plans, I guess they found some discrepancies between the plans on file and what was built. So because of those discrepancies, the town
has to um approve the new revised layout at town meeting. So this evening, what we need to do is make similar to like how we do with um any town meeting items, we have to make a recommendation to town
meeting. So this is really just formality. A formality. Exactly. Um it it I talked to um the DPW director. It really doesn't change anything for him. Obviously when the road is completed it's going to help him
in in that they're not filling potholes con constantly and um we already own the road so the drainage will be improved. Mhm. Um so it really it's not going to it's not putting any additional strain on the town. It's just formality. So if somebody would like to make a Unless you
have any questions, comments. No. No. Okay. If someone would like to make a recommendation to town meeting. Yep. Make a motion to make a recommendation a town meeting for was it the approval? Yeah, like a positive recommend. Positive recommendation for for Harrison
Nav. Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? I. Motion carries. And so there's actually going to be, I guess, three more of these that um we can expect to see along the same
lines. All right. Agenda item number five. Review the following zoning board of appeals petition. A Velo 301 Pawn Lane. So we have um the petition from ZBA. It looks like they're going to knock
down and rebuild on a pre-existing non-conforming lot. Anybody have any questions, comments, concerns on this? No. It's you, right? Do you want to come up or No, I didn't know was on the agenda until
Okay. Chance on TV. Well, so typically we just we review and if there's anything that we want to send comments over to ZBA, we just send the comments. We don't make any formal Yeah. Yeah. No. Action on it's more of like a recommendation. Um typically we don't
send a comment on residential. Um it there is it is going from quite a continue on. Okay. Continue on. Um okay. So it it is changing from a lot coverage of 27.6 6 to
39.1. So it it is a significant lot coverage increase. We typically let zoning board review residential unless anybody wants to send any comments. No, I had I had one
question. Yeah. Um, that's why on the front setback says, is this at 1.1 ft existing and then the new is 24.8. Was it like an existing shed or something? Oh, there's a uh there's a carport there. Okay. All right. Yeah. I it it just it looked funny when it was like one one foot and then there's an
existing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um All right. Yeah. No, I that was my only question. It looked like it was crossed out and I just it looked one one foot one. Um I don't I don't have any qualms with this really to be honest. Okay. Um Kathy, does um does board of health
review? Yes. Board. Okay. Yeah, that that was my only other thing, but I know that it would go in front of board of health because you're ex keeping the existing septic. Yes. As is. Yep. And it's I'm again this board of health thing, but septic I'm assuming is for cuz you're going from a onebedroom to
two bedroom. It's a two-bedroom septic restricted, right? That's what I mean. So yeah, that's I'm assuming that that was that was two bedroom. Yep. Nope. That was it. I don't have any other comments. Yeah, I mean it's it's a significant law
coverage in a you know close to the pond. I know we have a lot of those smaller existing dwellings that you know I don't know what kind of they're familiar with their precedents I guess the zoning
board but um anything Okay. No. So, I mean, I guess as far as access, it's just has I guess that's up to the fire department if he's weighed in. This does residential usually doesn't go
down to a fire. Oh, okay. So, unless there's, you know, sometimes we had started to send them, you know, things on the pond just because the access can be tough right down there. The scenes. So, but he has
not seen that. No, I'm sorry. But she just said he doesn't typically he doesn't typically see it. um you know Nancy had started you know inspecting them to see if she felt that there might be a problem. Mhm. So that
she did not see this on them. Okay. I mean I guess that would be you know just make sure that there's access and that's what we sent back for the previous one. I know access was a concern, but
yeah. I mean, I'm concerned about the lot coverage, I guess, just because it is so high in a area close to the water. But if we're good without sending comment, then do you want to make a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion to make
no comment on um 301 Pond Lane. Second. All right. Motion in a second. All in favor? I I Thank you. Thank you. All right. Agenda item number six, approve the March 27, 2025 minutes. Has everyone have had a chance to review
those minutes? Mhm. All right. Any questions, edits? No. No. Really? They looked good for me. We got a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the March 27th, 2025 meetings as drafted. Second. Motion and a second.
All in favor? I. I. Motion carries. Agenda item number seven, site plan review. Uh the first um part of this. So we have in here in our packet, we have the application for site plan review.
And we wanted to look at it uh for two reasons. one, we talked about adding some piece of the inspections to it so that people understand when they come into site plan review, they expect certain um peerreview
items. And then the second it the second reason to look at it is because now that we have ADU approved we have had interest in that and we kind of want to differentiate between site plan review for commercial purpose
and um site plan review for ADU purpose. Um, I did look at what some other towns are doing and we have a few examples here that Kathy was good enough to print out
for us. Um, so Truro has pretty ex it's pretty um it's straightforward and and it kind of reminds me of what we have um with the check
boxes. It asks for the form with the copies, um the plan and other information with the copies, a butters list because we do so I did um speak with uh town council and we do have to notice uh for these as
well. Um it talks about a filing fee. I don't think we've haven't discussed that. Yeah, we haven't even gotten to a filing fee for it. Um, and it looks like so's asking for uh
$50. Uh, this town of Princeton is asking for $100 and let's see. Middlebarrel is asking for $250. So, they were kind of all over the place. 50, 100, and 250 right now.
Um, I think it's a $100 per lot when we do an ANR is 250. 250. Okay. 250 per lot. Well, 250 if you're changing the lot lines, but if it's a new lot, it's 500. 500. Okay.
So, I don't know if we want to have something that mimics that. I mean, if if ours is for 250 for our lot line, 250 for ADU, middle bars is at 250. Yeah. Um, when we talk about the filing fees
though, that's built into our rules and rags. Can we change the filing fees without a public hearing? Well, it's a brand new one. So, I mean, if you It just wouldn't be in those like it would be separate. Okay. I mean, when you read when that
final piece is done with that, you could add it if you wanted to. So, in order to establish a fee though, we have to just put on the agenda and take a vote. Correct. Okay. Okay.
So, that's another thing that we got to look at with the filing fee. Um, I'm fine with that. I mean, I think it'd be fine with that with the 250. Yeah. But I don't know. And if we put it on another agenda, we'll have other board
members here, you know, hopefully to if there's, you know, any more, you know, discussion. Um, then 250 is compatible with what with middle borrow. Yeah. Which I'm surprised that this the Turo is so low, too, but I don't know what
else they have that might go along with it. So it's it's pretty it should be pretty simple what we need for an ADU because there's only certain things that we can look at parking when it's outside of a certain area from the the
rail. Uh the setbacks the we obviously need all the copies so that everyone can review conservation title five still has to apply. Um you know wetlands protection still applies. Title five still applies. Um, Middle has one that says, "Obtain
verification from tax collector's office stating all taxes have been paid to date." That makes sense. Yeah. Um, so my thought was if we want to look at um, our site plan review and just kind
of I'd say maybe take off whatever doesn't apply and then leave it, condense it and probably have town council just review it and make sure that it's in line with the ADU guidelines. So, we're going to use the RSI plan review as like a guideline and
go from there. And yeah, that's that's what I was thinking. [Music] Um cuz it already has all the information that we want to see. First page and a half. Um so the
this first submitts um completed sign site plan application that's this form plan must show the name of the applicant. Uh number three if the owner of record is a corporation the name and address shall be submitted.
Number four if more than one owner uh shall be signed by each owner. Number five, nine fulls size cop contact prints. Uh, one copy of reports, storm water traffic, etc. Uh, that's the one where I guess we
don't really need storm water and traffic for an edu, right? So, we could take that off. Um, six prints measuring 11 by 17 cuz we still need the copies to circulate. Mhm.
Number eight, a PDF file of the entire submitt uh emailed to the town planner uh board administrator. So, I mean that makes sense to have it as a PDF as well if they're going to
submit paper copies, have the electronic file, a dollar deposit for the fee, a check to cover advertising. That makes sense because if we have to advertise it. Um 11. A dollar deposit will be
required for independent consultants for engineering review and our legal council satisfying the provisions of site plan by um bylaw. That seems excessive for ADU. Yeah. Number 12, an original current sign W9.
I don't think an individual homeowner is necessarily going to have that. That's basically for payment, right? Payment back of I think that's something like the de a developer would submit. Okay. Uh number
So I would say so far take out number six 11 12. Uh number 13 a copy of the deed vesting title and the current owner. That makes sense to show that they have ownership. Number 14, a notice from the tax collector for all lots involved.
Yep. That kind of makes sense with what middleb bar was asking. Make sure there's no standing. Yeah. Back taxes. Uh number 15, the names of all owners of record of all abuing properties and those within 300 ft of the property line based on the latest available assessor's
records. That makes sense. Okay. Uh 16. Date of site plan. All revisions shall be noted and dated. That's pretty standard. Number 17. The plan must show the name, address, and seal of the registered professional
engineer and registered professional surveyor and registered landscape architect who prepared the plan. I don't know if we need all that for I don't I don't think you would. Um, I mean, so I I guess that's a question
that I have like, yeah, do we want just the professional engineer? I don't think we're going to need surveyor and architect unless it makes sense because we're not we can't require architectural requirements for ADU. So,
I know we can't require that. That's landscape architect. Oh, that's right. Landscape architect. Yeah, but still we're not going to require landscape um well because for ADU because it's um allowed by right now in the state of
Massachusetts, there's certain limitations to what we can require them to um to do. Okay. And so we, you know, we can't require certain design features and landscaping. I think this is saying like a
professional like a civil engineer would be I guess we got to ask that question. Do we have to you know what I mean? Does it have to be like take this out? Yeah. Oh yeah. I think we should ask doesn't that ask town council or something? And actually let's see. Is there another one
that um Yeah. See that that the applicant checklist original 14 card. Yeah. So it just says so for part of the checklist on Mhm. Turo, it just says Yeah. prepared by
registered professional engineer or registered sanitation sanitarian. Um, yeah, I think we have to leave that one in there cuz again, you want a drawing of someone that's gone out and a professional surveyed it and said that they could put it where it can go, you
know. Okay. So engineer and surveyor and registered landscape architecture. I don't know if this supposed to be and or you know I mean the plan that must show the name of the professional engineer or andor reg I mean I know say like should they say and or anyways like what do we
usually we don't have all three of those on our set of plans that we get right on site plan review. I thought you said we didn't need it. We haven't been. It's just one stamp, right? One one engineering stamp. Yeah, Jack. And honestly, I really like middle barrows.
I really do. Um, I feel like it's we could just the application, the assessor's map, tax collector office, the copies, all the abutters, the filing fee. Um, of course they have the information
kind of set up a little different like in a different format, but it asks for the zoning district if there's an overlay. Is it on the national historic district? Because that counts because that you can have certain limitations
for an ADU in historic district. Not that we have those right now, but you can. Is it in chapter 61? I know that's one of our questions, too. I feel like maybe right this Why do you want to keep it simple? Is that what you're trying to
do? I I'd like to be able to keep it as simple as possible. Um but oh so the other the other thing to mention is um Serpentid had reached out to the town asking if we have interest in ADU
guidance I guess on on how to draft the bylaw but since we're already past that part I don't e I guess I should say even though we're past that part it couldn't hurt to have SERD kind of check over
what we have and guide us if if there's more changes because we know that right now we're in a holding pattern because the state has still not approved what passed a town meeting. Right. Yeah. So that could help iron out any of this
too down the road, but we obviously want to have something in place prior to anything that that Serpent's able to help us with. I guess let's just have it as a question to town council. Ask her about 17.
Um the plan shall be alle legibly drawn in accordance with the rules and regulations of the registry of deeds as amended pertaining to plan size material lettering and related items. Um that makes sense to keep in you want it to be able to be recorded,
right? Um number 19. The plan scale shall preferably be 40 ft 40 in to the inch. Oh, I think it we actually have a typo here, huh? It's 40 ft instead of 40 inches in the parenthesis. Oh, to the inch or such of the scales
that the board may accept. Identification of the plan of subdivision zoningation. Okay. So this talks about zoning district creation of new lot meaning in there decision
appeals name status part of streets bearings location existing buildings wells leech septic exchange those are all things that we probably should see on the plan so we want to make sure that they're not building on top of anything. I mean, I'm not that I I don't know.
Maybe that's going too far, but I think it seems straightforward. Balance Brooks, fences, walls, locust map, airplane satisfying lot requirements. But that
one, that one I don't even know if we can keep it in because with ADU The lot requirements are the same as the like you don't have to have a lot to put in. You know what I mean? You don't have
to have enough land area to do an ANR. Yeah. But you can't can you you can't Yeah, but you can't you you can't put an ADU in that would make your lot non-conforming. You still have to keep within the setbacks, right? Right. Step back still apply and I guess lot
coverage. Yeah. Yeah. We have to keep Okay. So yeah, that so that does make sense to leave that in. I don't know about the Well, with Upland Circle, I guess, but it doesn't really matter, right? Oh, yeah. It's not even called up anymore. So that was like a screen grab
out of the the rules and rags. Now it's um front yard circle. written narrative waiverss addressing each requirement. Like they are they going to have a waiver? Like do we have they don't have
to go through our waiverss, right? Those are our waivers for subdivisions. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's no Yeah, there shouldn't be shouldn't be waivers. I think the 20 would come out. Yeah.
Maybe we just keep it simple like middle bro did. Princeton did. I know. I liked um Vuro. They had this sort of procedure box. Yeah,
I guess they're doing they're kind of doing what we're doing. Yeah, but they're asking for uh elevations even. Yep. Front floor plans, elevations. Mhm. Affidate declaring the 80 principal building. We wish the accessory will be rented on a 12-month
basis. Yeah, cuz they can be a rental. Yeah. We we talked about that they can be, but you can restrict that. But you can restrict it. Okay. It can't be like a short-term rental. pulled off. It can't be like it can't be like an Airbnb or something like that is what they were saying, wasn't it? So the thing so so
there's there's like two sides to this. So obviously so the town so Kathy and I were talking about and she was saying you know the town already restricts it so you're not supposed to have a temporary rental in town. However these ADUs are coming coming to town um and it
says that you know you can restrict them. But on the other hand of that, when we're looking to increase revenue, one of the possible revenue streams is to add a tax on to short-term rentals. So maybe it could potentially be a
revenue stream for the town to allow the the short-term rentals of ADUs and use it as an income stream, not just for the, you know, the residents renting it out, but as for the town as well. something to consider, I guess, because
we haven't excluded it, in our bylaw, right? Um, but I think we would then need a pro a process and a procedure going forward. We'd have to, if there already is a a bylaw preventing
short-term rentals, we'd have to look at that and see, you know, how the ADUs could work with that. I'd have to really search for some stuff. I know there was talk. I don't know really what happened with that. I was a long time ago cuz
when I first started, so yeah, I can try to pull that up from somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. But definitely something to look at. Definitely new planner. I know. Yeah. When we get a new planner to Toro's
making them inspect them yearly, too. They got to turn in leases every year and then have them inspected by the board of health. Yeah, I think the board of health does have some regulations on the book in regards to that as well. Yeah, for the short-term rentals. Yes. Well, saying ADUs permit under the
section shall be inspected annually or as frequent as deemed necessary by the health and building departments for compliance with public safety and public health codes. I mean, that makes sense if you're renting it out. You want to make sure nobody's dying of carbon monoxide or whatever. Yes, it would be.
I don't know what other bord must be 12 12 months. You have to keep a turn in a lease every year. photos and I think I think 30 31 32 need can go. Yes, I
agree. Yeah, I think everything else is okay. So, I have a question mark for 20 about the waiverss. Yeah. Do we need Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because um because we're allowing ADUs, but is there any sort of scenario that they would look for waiver? I guess
I don't know. So, I have a question about 20 and what was the other one that we 17 17? Yep. Okay. I'm going to get strike 6 11
12 30 31 32 Yep. What about 33? Oh, I didn't go to the next page. Sorry. Oh, yeah. That's a good one to leave in just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's Yeah, that's fine. Chapter 61. Who knows? Like if somebody has a portion of their property and now
they're taking it out to build an ADU. Yeah. Chapter land. Yeah. All right. So, we're going to leave 33 in. Yeah. Yeah.
Cuz that was also on middle bars. So, how do we feel about condensing down taking out those ones that we've mentioned, asking town council about those two question? And so, just like condensing it down, sending it to Amy and just asking her,
how does this look for an ADU site plan review application? Yeah, you fine with that? Yeah. Yep. Okay. Do we have vote on this or no? No. Okay. Okay. So, we don't have to take a vote. Kathy, are you okay with sending that over to town council?
I check. Okay. Princon has nothing. If not, let me know. Okay. Um, well, what's that? Princeton has nothing in my venue. Of what? Princeton. Princeton.
Now, I like to eat the Tora or Middles. What about it? We wouldn't use that. nothing to do with it. Oh, it was just another one that we were like comparing. Yeah. I didn't think that there's anything of any value with it that you incorporate. Um well, so what I liked on on theirs actually was a
second page where it talks about because it talks about this um planning board may ask about the following among other things. Available parking, uh design and age of septic, but that's really something that the that's why we need copies. What else should we review it too? Okay. Um outdoor that's the
other one. outdoor lighting that may be installed has to cuz they have the same the night sky. They reference that zoning bylaw. Okay. So, I wonder if that's one to include. Do we add something about the lights or we just look at it? I guess
anyways, we'll be looking at the site plan. So, if they're adding light, we can ask them to include a photometric. Okay. So, All right. So, condense it down. Take off the numbers as John
noted. Um, and send to Amy to ask her if those look Yeah. Second. All right. And then once she approves it, I guess we put it on another um meeting, next agenda, and we'll vote to
approve it. All right. The other thing that we wanted to do with the site plan review application was um look at the advice from peer review and see how or if there's a way we can add some
of those items in the inspections. Yeah, for the inspections. So Kathy has we've got Bills and Thomas has their input as well as Apex.
So it's they're pretty consistent. Mhm. Um so they both say, you know, like an initial visit. This one has precon preconstruction meeting. So if we start doing those um it would make sense to
have peer review there. Um observe still water still water. What's that? No observe still water installations. Oh right. So this is that was one of the questions. Oh do you do you want the guy there to look at the
hole and well this this according to them they do check Mhm. the bottom of the hole. Well, it's it's and then it's no different when you go for a building inspection, you're putting a footing in. You know what I mean? Nate comes out and looks at the at your at the holes and
when you're done with it at the end, you know what I mean? When doing a deck. So, why would it be any different for for us to come out and do that um at the beginning to make sure you're doing it right? But yeah. So, how how much do we have them put in that in that account for inspections?
Just start with 5,000, right? So based on on like Beals and Thomas that would be two visits and an asbuilt review, right? At a minimum that would be your that like 4,500 bucks based on I'm just looking at Beals and Thomas cuz they have they had right $1,000 per visit plus 2500, right? So a project for them
to go out there twice during that plus that that would be fine. And if we had to do another visit before the review wouldn't be that bad. But yeah, I think we if we put it up front then we won't have the battles at the end of like I don't want to do it and
you know I don't want to I know pay for it cuz for the other one on Main Street they never went obviously never we never went out there cuz we were never asked told to. Right. So which so are so to me I think if we have what four or five of these
that we just have as our expected Mhm. um inspections, right? Is there certain ones that you prefer to see over the others? Um what was there? Um it's a base
material. this old one. So, do we want to just kind of go paving? So, let's so let's look at the bullet points from I guess Bills and Thomas first. So, their bullet points are an initial visit to ensure all erosion control measures are installed and operational prior to
construction. Mhm. Um it says they'll be monitored during subsequent visits as well. Um the next one, observation of drainage installation both bottom of hole before systems are installed and then again prior to them backfilled. We would observe structure and pipe installations, not every piece, but
representative check-ins. This is obviously specific to each project, but usually 4 to8 visits. That does seem a little excessive. Yeah. Um review of the subbase material prior to paving. Review of top course pavement
install. These are things that do make more sense for a road, but obvious like we were talking about, even though they were saying it's a private site, you still want to right make sure that it's Yeah, definitely the subbase being built to to the
specs. Um review of sidewalk subbase prior to install, review of sidewalk, paving install, and final punch list and asbuilt review. I think that's definitely a we definitely want that one.
Um and then looking at the list from Apex. So they have attend a pre-construction meeting uh to perform periodic construction inspections of a soil and erosion control measures. So there's that one
again. Y so talking about um to make sure the erosion control is there. So that seems to be a consistent item. uh perform periodic construction inspections of the excavation for storm water management facilities, basins, subsurface systems,
etc. Number four, conduct site visits during all all onsite infiltration tests if any. Number five, perform construction inspections of the proposed utility connections. We have minimal utility connections. Yeah, Pier. Yeah,
that one's not right. Um, six, perform a construction inspection at the completion. So, there's that same, you know, review the asbelt at the completion. Perform a construction inspection to review the
final pavement and curbing installation. Mhm. So, I think we should have something a review for one of the pavement. It seems that that way even if they're saying this is private property, they can just expect it. when you do the
subbase to make you if the subbase isn't right then all the others are Yeah, I think before they put because I know that we we did that one off of what was that one off of 79 like where we had to go out obviously when they were trying to hold on to the release the lots you know what I mean like we have to do that
stuff so it should be that was obviously they weren't doing the top course of the pavement because they were waiting till all the construction was done so maybe at that binder course pavement install kind of you know what I mean sub either subbase or the binder course cuz we're having them go out there doing that anyways usually on the subdivisions.
Mhm. Okay. So, so the binder course install. Mhm. So, we have the initial visit for erosion
control and then one for something about the drainage. Do we Do we want periodic construction inspections of the excavation for storm water management facilities, basin, subsurface systems, etc. So the one from Apex is kind
of so it's more vague, I guess, cuz um the bails and Thomas says, you know, 4 to eight visits. This one is more perform periodic construction inspection of excavation uh for the storm water.
Do we want something more specific or No, it's just it's $900 per visit for that one, too. You know what I mean? So, they get expensive, right? They'll burn through that $5,000 quick, right? Depending on how long this project's going. But again, some of these projects might only take like one or two if if one, you know what I mean? Mhm. I mean,
I think a lot of them were gearing it towards I think like with Bill and Thomas, they were kind of gearing it towards like, you know, some of these might not be required because of like more like a hospital visit, you know what I mean, for a project of that size. So, does so say from the one from Apex number three, is that kind of vague
where it leaves it open that periodic construction inspections and we can say we want two inspections of the Yeah. Minimum of two. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, we have the initial erosion erosion control
uh periodic with a minimum of two for the storm water review of binder course and review of asbuilt. Mhm. Yeah. Full punch list as built. Yeah. You Okay. And then do we add a fifth if we get to the point of pre-construction
meeting where um if we have when we have a town planner again or do we just have the town planner attend that and not the peer review? Yeah, I think we have a town plan. Okay. So, are we good with four? Yeah. Okay. So we have the initial I'm
taking the wording from um the bills and Thomas first bullet point but just the first word I mean first sentence sorry not the second sentence from bills and Thomas so the first initial visit to ensure all erosion control measures are measured
operational prior to any construction yeah okay um and then I'm sure they're going to look at that while they're out doing the other ones right so I what that intent was. Okay. Well, then you think you think it'll be so well if the next one would
be periodic um inspections with a minimum of two for storm water. Yep. Mhm. So that comes from number three from Apex, but we'd include period perform periodic construction
inspections with a minimum of two of the excavations for storm water. Oh, wait. Is that not the right word? Perform periodic construction inspections of the excavations for the storm water management facilities, basin, subsurface systems,
etc. Oh, so maybe at the end with a minimum of two. Mhm. with a minimum of two. Do we have to be specific as in site visits or inspections? I was so saying observation of D. So which one you going to do? Um so I was
looking at number three from Apex and adding at the end. Number three. Okay. Apex. So at the end of it say with a minimum of two inspections. Yeah. Inspect. Yeah. That's fine. At the end. Okay. Mhm. So we have one, two, and then the next one we agreed on the review of
binder course. Sure. Pavement install. So one, two, three, and the fourth one is final punch list and as built review. Mhm. And so we have four that they're going
to be expected and then I [Music] had so in trying to figure out where to put it on the site plan review application. I was looking at the front page of our site plan review application.
Um that second paragraph where it talks about any technical services required to assist the planning board when preparing its written response shall be included as part of the esco account fee 53g. Mhm. And then after that probably say
um review to include but not limited to the following and then list those four items. Yeah. Yeah. You only need the underside here by submits. So, yep. So, but so like in between in between that second paragraph and where
it goes into that underside. Okay. Put it in insert a sentence that says review to like to include but not limited to the following the following. And we have one from the Bills and Thomas, two from
number three from Apex, three is one, two, three, fourth bullet point from Bills and Thomas, and four is eighth bullet point. Okay. Yeah. Yep.
What do you think, Kathy? Does that make sense? I I guess so. And then I can also, you know, double check with Apex and say see if their opinion if this is like really the kind of the minimum but the best of that. Okay. Yeah, that'd be good.
Confirm that. Yeah. Just say that board discuss and these seem to be what we're want for the minimum and then obviously the other ones go on. Like I don't want if you put nine of them down at like 8 900 bucks a pop then the $5,000 might be $10,000 and then we'll start. But that
would cover the $5,000 that they've already agreed to put up and then we don't have to fight them on. This is what you're doing. This is what we This is what we're expecting up front. Right. Right. Okay. So Kathy,
you'll have two different versions of the site plan review application and one one specific to ADU, one specific to site plan review with these items included. Um and we'll put So once again, we'll put that on a um future
agenda. Future agenda. I don't think so far. How's um May 22nd looking so far? Open two and four. This is going to be continue right away. Anyway, we'll talk. But yeah, day after my birthday, there might That's your
birthday. Yeah. Day after. Oh, big festivities. Bigo. Oh, there might be one other thing on it. I I don't recall. I know you the open space plan. Oh, yeah. Yep. Um but I I don't recall what the other thing is. Okay.
I think we had more of the road the 79 item. Yes. But so other than that, I mean, that should be fine. I mean, if we put this on for the 22nd and if Let me know if you can't get to it. That way I can How long? Yep. Subdivision. Okay. That's coming back then. Yeah. I'm
still waiting for the proposal. Okay. So, I don't think that's going to get done, but Okay. All right. All right. So, this should be good to put on for our next meeting then. Keep working at it. All right. Moving on. On agenda item number
eight, administrative update. Administrative update. Signs in residential zones update. So, we did get a response from the zoning enforcement officer and he did um impressive get we get those things addressed. So,
we got that was good good response that those signs that were concerns and it looks like the woman who had attended she did reach out to him as well. So, oh, did she? Yep. So, that's good
that her concerns were addressed. Um, planning consultant update. I I actually I expected to have an update. I thought I was going to get an
update from Lacy, but I don't think I'd seen one come through. Um, but oh, let me see. Okay. So, it sounds like what they're looking for is somebody in house one day per
week, but that wouldn't work with what um Nancy was looking for. She didn't want to be in house. So, that is that. But, we are still pursuing uh town planner. Okay.
Um rules and rags driveway lantern covenant just like Bob Mather had promised. He did forward this over to us. Mhm. Mhm. It's pretty straightforward. Yeah. Um Kathy, did you have a chance? Did you send this to Serpad? You know, I I don't recall. So,
I will double check that tomorrow. And if not, I can I can forward it to them, too, cuz I know we had talked about um including this in rules and rags when we go through it. And and maybe it doesn't have to be a covenant so much as like just include something like this as a requirement instead of street lights
because we know that that's something that we typically wave anyway. Yeah. All the time. All right. Um, [Music] serpent.
Um, next item is the Oh, and thank you, Bob Mather, if you're watching. Thank you for sending that. Um, the next item is 10 Harding Street. This was something um when I was in this
past week, Kathy pointed out I guess the covenant that I had signed for Harding Street, I didn't go through it. I didn't, you know, we had a lot of back and forth. You know, Kathy went through those conditions and I guess she had put um item 11 instead of 13 cuz that was
one that we went back and forth, you know, with the 11 versus 13. Um so it was a scrivener's error. um she was able to go back and she verified by watching the meeting and she did get this little corrective amendment
to the site plan review. So So I had signed it and then the applicant hadn't had also signed uh filed it with the town clerk. So, well, I filed Well, you filed it with the town clerk and then the applicant came in and saw that it
was it was different than what we had um discussed. So, now we have to file this with the town clerk, right? So, it's literally just um once again, a matter of we went back and forth so many times. Yeah. Yeah. I
think what threw me was the occupancy permit, right? So I think that's why I might have mixed it up cuz we try to avoid that right the occupancy permit y as a stipulation. So and that was just horrendous how much back and forth it was with Thank you for watching that
meeting and making sure that was corrected. All right. So do we need to take a vote on this? So vote for me to sign and have you you approve it as written and for you to be able to sign that. Okay.
I'll make a motion to have the corrective amendment for site plan review uh review approval for 10 Harding Street be signed by the uh planning board chair. Second. Motion in a second. All in favor? I I motion
carries. And do you want me to sign this copy or do you have one? They're all the same. Okay. Okay. And our next meeting is May 22nd, 2025 here at the police station. Um, and then Kathy, you did include another memo
that we got from the board of health. Correct. Thank you. Um, any other? No. No. Anything in the audience? You have anything? No. All right. I'll make make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Motion and a second. All in favor? I. I. Motion
carries. Meetings adjourn.