[Music] All right. Well, good evening everyone and uh I'd like to call the select board wage and personnel board uh meeting on Tuesday, October 14th at 5:45 here at
the Lakeville Senior Center to order. If we can just a quick confirmation of that with from the board >> hunt present >> in Carboni here. Our chair Maren Candido is running a little late so I'm going to start the show and um she'll be here as
soon as she can. Um with that Lake Cam is recording and feeding live on Facebook. Is anybody else here recording the meeting? Seeing none, if we could all rise uh for pledge of allegiance. Okay.
I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Also joining us here this evening, we
have our town administrator, Andrew Su, Colleen Lee, our executive assistant or executive assistant to the select board and town administrator, and Emily Serret down there is our um management analyst. And at 6:00 um we'll be having a joint
meeting with our planning board uh who will be kind of filtering in and joining us at that time. So, just to kick things off this evening, I'd like to dive into some select board announcements. Um, we do have some vacancies. Um, and
we're still looking for to go for a full compliment on all our boards, committees, and commissions. So, some of these vacancies include an associate member for the zoning board of appeals, a member for the board of registars.
We have three vacancies on the cable TV advisory committee, one vacancy on the energy advisory committee, one at large member for the community preservation committee, one at large member for the zoning bylaw review advisory committee, and one member for
the communications committee. So, I know again I say this all the time, you're thinking about it, give one of us a call. we'll talk to you and uh kind of tell you what it's what it's all about and and the involvement um to join one of these sports committees and
commissions. Um so any of the details on these positions can be found on our town's Facebook page or the town's website at lakevillemma.org under news. Okay, so we have some announcements. Um Ted Williams camp trunk or treat. This
is always a an annual favorite um which will be held on Sunday, October 19th um from 3:30 to 6:00 p.m. and everybody is welcome. If you have any um questions, you can um reach out to the parks commission um and their information is
on our website. Uh we also have our second annual snow person jubilee that's coming up. So, starting October 4th, um people can purchase a a snowman uh for $25. And all these proceeds will be to benefit the
Lakeville Animal Shelter. Uh there'll be a snow person village on Saturday, December 13th at 2 p.m. Um and there'll be some carolling, hot cocoa, and family and friends are all welcome, and there will be some prizes awarded.
And we have the Lakeville Country Christmas Stroll, which is Saturday, December 13, 2025 from 12 to 2 p.m. at Ted Williams Camp. Uh there is a scheduled rain date for Sunday, December 14th. So these um as these, you know,
approach us, we'll continue to remind everybody, but I know that these are a favorite to a lot of our residents, so I know they want to just kind of mark the calendar on that. So, um we have some exciting news um from the Justice Assistance Grant
Program, otherwise known as JAG awards announcement. Um there were 171 municipal police departments that will receive grants totaling 3,941,482. There are 28 state agencies that will receive1,559,1206.
And the town of Lakeville, we did make the make the roster here. Um will receive a grant of $22,65 and I believe that's going to be for the purchase of new tasers. >> Correct.
>> All right. So, excellent work um securing that grant. Um I also have here a letter from the executive office of housing and livable communities uh dated October 9th 2025.
Um and it is indicating that um we have reached safe harbor. Um so this certification is effective um for a 2-year period from February 27th, 2025
to February 26, 2027. Um but please note that there's a lot of movement that could be happening um over the next year um which could shift that a little bit. Um so we just want to make sure that we keep our eyes on that. So right now we are in safe harbor. People
are asking what that means. Uh the state has a program uh 40B development um which is a um I don't want to say by right but by right they come in and propose a 40B project um and you know
through a special you know permit and comprehensive permit and the state approval um these projects typically will you know move forward. Um but right now we have the ability to um
pass, hold, defer. >> Yeah, we we have more more um we can have more of a say in how the project is funded or how it's done. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, I just wanted to make, you know, that announcement because I know that there was some questions. Um
you know, are we getting close? Are we, you know, where are we? So, right now, um, Lakeville's current, um, subsidized housing inventory stands at 11.02%. So, um, if we can probably make sure that this letter gets up on the website
so people can refer to that. Okay. Um, does the any other members of the board have any other announcements that they'd like to to share? All right, with that, um, moving on to the town administrator reports. >> Thank you. Um, so the right to farm and
the purple heart, uh, town signs are starting to be put up. I think all eight are finally put up around town. Um, so if you start to see those, you'll see them at the entrances to towns to the town. Um, see, we posted for the assistant town accountant several weeks
ago, and we have quite a few good applicants, so we'll start interviewing this week. Um, one other one is I met with the town administrators of Berkeley and Freetown regarding quiet zones. Um, it's come
quite apparent that most of our quiet zones need the maximum upgrades which is generally in the $1 million neighborhood. So for us that's about 2 million. Freetown that's about 11. Berkeley is about two. So um, a lot
of moving parts. We haven't quite got the final reports yet, but it looks like a pretty uphill battle to do that. Um, but I'll keep the board updated on all that. >> Okay. >> Um, and that's pretty much all I have for this this week.
>> So, Andrew, do you put your town um administrator reports online? I hadn't had a chance to look. I know that we had previously um because this might be nice because you you do a lot of work and we get these um every week. Um, and I just
think it's it would be nice for our residents to be able to, you know, kind of tap in to see a lot of the movement that we don't always necessarily discuss here at our meetings, but um, just to kind of give people an idea. Maybe we can put those up under your town administrator page.
>> Yeah. So, I have almost 50 of them now. >> Well, there you go. >> So, yeah, I can put them on. Um, it was a goal of the me for the new website. >> Okay. >> To do that, but the website's kind of a little back burner right now. So I I can put them on. >> All right. Well, that would be wonderful. >> Um other members, do you have anything
for for Andrew this time? No. >> Well, thank you for that. >> Okay. We do have a set of minutes um to approve from October 6. Did everybody have a chance to take a look? All right. Then I'll entertain a motion to approve
>> comments. >> Yep. We can do that under discussion. >> All right. It's okay. I make a motion we approve the minutes of the select board meeting from October 6th, 2025. >> I'll second that.
>> All right. I have a motion and a second and discussion. >> Yes. One uh I like addition I like to add on page six under the discussion on hometown hero banners. >> Um I did note that I had an action to
put together a proposal uh based off of some inputs that I received from a resident. So we can just have that noted please. >> Yep. So noted. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Anything else? >> It obviously goes without saying sorry that it'll be presented at a next
future. >> All right. Any others? >> Hearing none role please. >> I plug I >> and carbon I. Okay. See here. All right. Is it here?
Five minutes. >> All right. Um, we can get through the vote for the articles, right? >> Should be able to. >> Okay. So, moving on to agenda item five number one. Um, discuss and possible vote on articles to be placed on the
special town meeting warrant. So, I know that there was some back and forth um over the last few meetings because um we had a deadline for submittals um of the articles and then um came in front of the board and a couple of them fell off
and some came on and so um could you walk us through these Andrew where we are right now? >> Yes. So, article one is the unpaid bills article those are the final um amounts that we have. Um one let's see one two
five of them are uh free cash and one's retained earnings. >> Okay. >> Um just a standard one we kind of do every town meeting. >> Article two is a community preservation committee um article where basically it kind of sets the process of how they want to see
appointments happen. Um that's kind of a standard for many other committees and I think they wanted to kind of see that under their bylaw as well. Article three is um town hall reuse
funding source um 25,000. Article four is a conservation commission as well as a townwide setup of revolving funds. And then article five is a citizens petition for part-time health insurance.
And then one that fell off is the uh regional school committee recall. The town of Freetown had some last second questions and edits and since we have to both match, we didn't think it was good to pass and then change.
>> Okay. Um with regards to that regional school committee recall um wording, are you involved in those conversations with their town administrator? >> Yes. >> Okay, good. Um because I know we'll we'll both have to agree on this before it goes to any of
our towns. So we're looking to put this on for the spring. >> Correct. And Freetown, as far as I know, will have it on their next special, which is January 26th. So we'll know what they have and just we'll mirror that. As far as I know,
it's not many changes. Well, I mean, I know that they have to be the same, but I think that this board is probably going to want to weigh in and not just accept >> um >> it's a good topic for two weeks, >> a joint meeting, >> a joint meeting that we have with Freetown. >> Okay, that would be really good to put
that on there. And I'm sure our chair would would feel the same. >> Yep. >> About that. Okay, so this is it. So, we've got five articles. Um members, do you have any questions about any of these articles?
Uh just for the public, uh we're going to be holding um a warrant review on that the six >> October 21st. >> 21st. >> Um so that we'll be able to go through each one, read the the articles um and just make sure that everybody's um has
clarity as to what we'll be presenting on town floor on November 2nd uh 12th. Okay. Madam Chair, it should be noted that uh we have an attachment from the conservation commission that on October
9th at their meeting, they voted to support the warrant article uh for the revolving fund. >> Okay. >> Yes. Thank you. by uh by their commission chair Nancy Yates and then a a subsequent attachment from uh Joseph
Sullivan of Apollo Project Management uh regarding the breakdown of the $25,000 that uh is being set aside for the the project at uh at the town hall.
>> Excellent. Thank you for that, Paul. All right. Well, hearing no further discussion, um, do I hear a motion um to vote and accept all the warrant articles as presented?
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Hearing none. RO please. >> Hunt. >> I. >> And Carboni I. Okay. And it is 6:00. So, I think what
we'll do is we'll we'll take pause here for a moment and let's invite the the planning board up to the table and then you can call your meeting to order. [Music] [Music] have room over there. >> Yeah, >> it's cozy.
>> Cozy. >> And I think Jack should be arriving, but we'll have to pull over another chair. Um, >> perfect. I'm going to call my meeting I would like to call this meeting of the Lakeville planning board to order. It is 6 o'clock and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Council Council
on Aging Buer Crossing and this evening I'd like everyone to introduce themselves um because we do have an assoc new associate member since last we met and I know there's a couple new select board members. So, associate member
>> uh David Lodge, Dan Wilgga, John Cabraw, >> it was nice to see all you guys. Should do this more often. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, um we had planned a uh joint meeting with the planning board this evening um to discuss the Lakeville
Country Club property and we with us this evening um we have some gentlemen here representing Bondike um and they will be going through a presentation um there's a a proposed project um for the property
and uh because you know the select board um and the planning board are kind of involved in in these types of projects. Um it's really great to see you all and I know you were here once before and um I think you kind of got a nod to come
back again and that's where we are this evening. So >> excellent. >> Please >> where's the best place to stand >> this matter with these cameras? >> Lake Cam, is there a better place for our these gentlemen to stand or >> uh it's really up to you. Um over to the
side. >> I like this background. Yeah. >> If this works, it's probably >> All right. So, we're going to be >> Yes. We're going to be making a presentation on that screen there. So, if you need to, please
[Music] um well, thank you all for uh allowing us to come before you and particularly thank you for arranging a joint session. Um I haven't been to too many of these over many years, but it's really terrific. Uh my name is Lloyd Gisinger. I'm the president of Morike Development.
I'm here this evening uh with David Eastridge, my partner. Um Michael Devon, who's in charge of our community relations, and our council Matt Waller, who is with the Robinson and Cole. >> Um as I was thinking about this presentation, it was hard to believe
that it's been actually over a little over a year um since we presented to the select board and even longer >> uh since we presented to the planning board. And uh at that time to refresh your memory uh Thorndikeke uh was
proposing uh uh that we put forward a a project that would include two 36 unit senior condominium buildings on a piece of land owned by the Lakeville Country Club but not actually part of the Lakeville Country Club environments. In
other words, it wasn't going to disturb the golf course or the clubhouse or anything like that. and I felt as though it made sense to try and present a for us a relatively modest project um in the hopes that we could get to know one
another to see whether or not this was something that the town of Lakeville was interested in supporting um and with an expectation that if uh things went well we'd be able to come back before the boards back before town meeting um and
talk about the larger parcel land. Well, I don't think it took more than a couple of minutes before someone asked me what our plans were for the remainder of the property. >> And as we went back and thought about it, I realized that we really needed to
present a comprehensive plan uh so that we could give people uh a complete answer. And with that in mind, uh we went back to the owners. Um we restructured our our arrangement and we've developed a master plan uh which we're going to show you this evening.
and then we'll make the presentation available to you, Andrew, and you can put it on uh whichever sites makes the most sense. The um let me just uh this Michael.
Uh oh. Oh, there you go. >> Oh, what did I do? Right. We're wrong. >> That's not >> Yeah, this isn't going to work. Maybe I'm over here. Let me just see. >> Almost seems like the battery is dying. >> Gone are the days of the poster boards,
huh? >> Right. >> That work. >> Huh? Does that work? Oh, yeah. What' you do? >> Trade secret. >> Excellent. So, what what I'd like to do um over about the next 20 minutes is we'd like to give you an overview of the
project. Um and then I'm going to turn the presentation over to Michael who's going to talk about our recent experience in Halifax where we have a project that's under construction. I would encourage you to take a drive by. It's a senior community being built on commercially zoned land. We went through
a town meeting process um that was encouraged by the select board and Michael will tell you a little bit about that because I think it informs how we would propose moving forward uh with the town of Lakeville. Um we need to talk a little bit about the chapter 61B status
of the property. As you may or may not be aware, um the Lakeville Country Club Pub benefits from a special tax uh situation called 61B and and Matt is actually here um to talk about that a little bit. And we'll wrap it up with
just showing you some pictures of former communities that we've built. And this is Cal Harvey who's uh also a member of Thornbeck. He's here to take notes. So >> your apologies. >> Okay. Ah, we're working. I think uh everyone
knows where the Lakeville Country Club is, but if anyone watching at home, uh we're off of Route 79 and this gives you a little better sense. Um the property is uh access from Clear Pond Road. Clear Pond Park is directly across the street
and of course Clear Pond uh beyond that. Um Oops. Right now, um this is an 18hole golf course. It includes the the course itself, um a clubhouse, the parking lot, um and the uh the total yardage for the
18 holes is 6,265 ft. Um this is a public course um and uh has been around for quite some time. This is our plan that we want to kind of walk you through uh this evening. and it
involves uh recreating a 9-hole golf course. This would be a fulllength 9-hole golf course, significantly upgraded from its current condition. Our plan is to uh is to join forces with a professional golf management company. We
have been talking with Sterling Golf who manages 10 golf courses in the metropolitan area um to upgrade the golf course and as well as include a state-of-the-art practice facility, driving range, putting green, chipping
greens um and uh and then carving out from there um a combination of three and fourtory condominium buildings and duplex townouses. All of this is proposed as a senior community. We're proposing that um the entire community
be seniors. And if you look to the left at the bottom below the scorecard, um the uh there are proposed a total of 424 condominiums. Uh 112 of them are duplex homes and the
remainder are in three and fourtory buildings. I'd like to talk first um about the condominium buildings. Again, uh these renderings are of the building that is currently under construction in Halifax. We're just completing the siding on the
first building. Occupancies will take place in December. So, um not in the not too distant future, we can take people on tours if they're interested. Um, but this just gives you a a sense of um a couple of the images. Uh, this happens
to be two of the buildings that are on the village green and the pool house and whatnot. And it's this type of character that we want to try and recreate uh for the condominium portion of the of the uh the building. Uh this is a shot across
the central green at the building that's under construction right now, the first building where people will be moving in in December. Um, this is that same building in a four-story version. The proposal has a combination of three and four-story buildings. The three-story buildings would have 36 homes in them.
The four-story buildings would have 48 homes in each one. Um, switching uh now to the duplex town home portion. Again, remembering this is all targeted for seniors. So, all of these town homes would have m primary bedrooms on the
ground floor. Um, these are renderings of a community that we're building right now in Plymouth called Alden's Reach. It is a combination of It is not an age restricted community, but in Plymouth, we see a very heavy um interest from
seniors, having built five different projects over the last 25 years in Plymouth. Um, so these are the these are the homes that are targeting seniors. Uh, they've been very successful so far. Uh we've just been started moving in our first people um
and families. As you can see um our whole emphasis is very pedestrian scale. Um heavy emphasis on landscaping, creating a a friendly walking environment. turning my attention to the um the golf
course itself. Um you know, the Lakeville Country Club has has has gone through a tough time and uh but it's but we've talked with an a number of people who are uh in the know
landscape golf course architects uh management company. They feel it's an excellent layout. They think the bones of the Lakeville Country Club are are terrific and that if with uh sufficient funds invested, it can really become a
wonderful course. Our plan is for this to be a municipal golf course, a public golf course, not private to the senior condominium. They would coexist. Um and we would expect to create um a program that uh provided for Lakeville residents
to get special rates. We also want to talk about some profit sharing uh with the Lakeville Country Club as a contribution against mitigation. Um which I'll get to maybe a little bit later, maybe another day. So, um but just a couple of shots to give you a
sense. These are these are not shots of the country club itself, but this is the standard that we intend to bring this golf course up to. And that would start immediately. If we are successful um at town meeting um we would begin this renovation immediately thereafter
because we want the quality of the golf course to be there when we are marketing the homes. Practice facilities are a big part of the program here. Um they're very very popular. Um they're also an excellent profit center. So they're they're a
really nice addition. Um we're we're showing a full driving range as well as adjacent uh facilities. uh putting greens, pitching areas, uh that type of thing. And um our plans right now, if the board support it, is to include a
restaurant. Uh we would be building an entirely new clubhouse, including a restaurant in that we built a community called Redmill Village in Norton about 20 years ago now. No, we started it 20 years ago. It's hard to believe. It was named best active adult community in the
nation. And we built um what has been named Redmill Crossing as part of Redmill Village, which is a small very New England retail style building that has a um a restaurant in there that caters breakfast that serves breakfast,
lunch, and dinners 3 days a week. It's been very successful. It's been there now for 12 or 13 years. And I drive by there every now and then in the early morning, and it's it's very well attended. that type of a restaurant seems like a really good fit with the uh
community um that would serve both the residents, the golf uh users as well as the general public. Uh Clear Pond Park, um you know, directly across the street from the property. Uh we would very much like to
participate in giving it a new coat to give it a facelift. It's a terrific amenity. It's a terrific asset for the town. It could use a little bit of help. Um, and maybe that help includes a few new pickle ball courts. Uh, the seniors love pickle ball. It's actually a great
location for the pickle ball courts. A little more removed from the residential buildings since some people find the noise of pickle ball courts u a problem. Uh, but that's something that we would hope to work with the town and be part of part of the program. Um, from a
utility standpoint, uh, we need to work with the town to find a way to get the water line extended from Route 79 down to the property. Um, the waste water would be handled through a private treatment facility. Uh, the leeching fields would sit underneath the driving
range and the wastewater treatment building itself, which is actually not much larger than a two-car garage, uh, would be part of the uh, utility building adjacent to it. I want to turn my attention now and and share with you a couple of slides that
we actually showed you a year ago. Um, they're still very relevant. I think it's it's important that we all uh put things in perspective. I know that more time or more often than not, real estate developers wear black hats. I have sold
all my black hats. Uh, we're only interested in working in communities that want us to work here. We think we bring quality. we bring conscientious approach and we need to help solve this housing problem. Um, this is this
information on these next couple of slides is taken from the US 2020 census and it's not unique to Lakeville at all. It's actually very typical, but the percentage of Lakeville population over 55 has been exploding. So in 2000 it was
20% of the total population. In 2010 it was 22%. In 2020 it was 34% and if we had information for today it would be approaching 40%. Not surprisingly young family percentages in Lakeville
have been dropping 31% in 2000 down to 23% in 2020. Obviously, if seniors are staying aging in place, if they're staying in the homes in which they raise their families, but they're not moving out, allowing that family home to be used by
a new family, there aren't as many opportunities. And that's part of what's driving the explosion in the pricing um and the challenges that young people um are having today. We've also decided as a society that we
need a lot more room. The average size of a home in Massachusetts between 1970 and 2020 went from 1500 ft² to more than 2500 ft². Again, not unique to Lakefield, but I find this pretty fascinating. And
when you talk about the approach that we're trying to bring and the the homes that we would be providing, what we're part of what we're doing, the way in which we can make homes more affordable is by rightsizing
them by providing a home that is works for one or two people in a home rather than four or five because in Lakeville 72% % of the population today household
size is either one, two, or three people. 28% is four people or more, which of course is what we tend to think of as a young family. By contrast, 86% of the houses in
Lakeville are single family homes. Well, single family homes work for one and two people, but are they the best solution? Sometimes, not always. This is just an example of of one of the condominium homes that we're building in
Halifax right now that would be well suited to a adult a single senior or a couple. It has a a primary bedroom. It has a den, a laundry room, kitchen, dining room, uh living room, and of course would be part
of a larger community where they can meet like-minded people. If you need a little more space, we also have two-bedroom condominiums. a little bit larger, still dramatically less than the average. Here, showing two bedrooms which have which are separated by the living room. So, an adult child that
comes home or staying with you. Um, you have some privacy and as well as a den. Um, we built these types of condominiums for years. Uh, they're very wellreceived. Um, I think they fill an important market niche. And when you
downsize or I should say rightsize the home, you wind up also being able to save money. So the combination of changes in building code and going all electric, which as a company we have done, uh means that one of these
condominiums, someone occupying it is expected to save about $3,200 as opposed to if they were living in a 20-year-old home in Lakeville or anywhere else, not just Lakeville, obviously. So greenhouse gas is down by going all
electric. energy consumption down, energy savings. These are some of the byproducts of right-sizing homes for seniors, which of course the other important byproduct is that it opens up a home elsewhere where a young family
can move and continue the cycle. That's so important. Uh, finally, before I turn this over to Michael, um, in Halifax, we um had Craig Seymour, who I've known for many, many years. He's one of the leaders in the
fiscal impact world. He founded RKG Associates. He's now retired from RKG, but for his old clients, he continues to do some work. We had Craig do a uh working with the town of Halifax do a fiscal impact study getting access to um
various records and uh in Halifax, this is not Lakeville, in Halifax for the 102 senior condominiums, he concluded and the and the town concurred uh that the expectation is that it would yield $452,000
net fiscal positive impact. roughly $45,000 per condominium. Um, obviously the uh community that we're talking about building at Lakeville is substantially larger. Um, but we would expect the numbers to be very similar.
If we move forward with this at all, I would like to propose that uh we would hire Craig to do a similar analysis right out of the box uh here in Lakeville. I think it would be very informative. So, um, with that, I'm going to turn the presentation over to Michael, who's
going to talk a little bit about the town meeting process as we see it. >> Thank you, Lori. Mike, if I may, um, it might be just a little better if you stand next to the TV if possible, just because our, uh, our mics might pick it up just slightly better. >> Okay.
>> Sorry about that. >> Good evening everybody. As Lloyd said, my name is Mike Leon. the director of uh community relations for Thorn Deck Development. Um we are very excited to be here. We think this is a great project, a great community that we have uh the potential to build together. Um
working together is a key to this. Um and fortunately, we have a blueprint that worked in Halifax. Uh we set about uh developing a community that Lloyd explained uh at length uh in Halifax and it all started with a meeting like this.
And from here we we propelled into a process by which we got approval at the town meeting and uh we are actively constructing and delivering on the promises uh that we we made uh namely uh a three-pronged approach of a senior
center for the town, a town pickle ball courts as well as those homes that that Lloyd um mentioned and we've been developing for over 40 years. Uh the Halifax uh community uh right next door
to Lakeville uh is on the 58 and 106 uh area right right near the intersection right by the Walmart or Grill 58 if you know the area. Uh when we uh bought this uh property, the town leaders, select board, town administrator uh approached us and and basically wanted to talk
through what our intent was uh for our development. uh and they actually came up with the suggestion of of senior housing. Uh for them that was a community need that they wanted uh us to address and we were all in. Uh we've been developing for over 40 years uh 30
of which we've been doing senior housing. Um and the issue was how do we do it? Uh the land uh similar to the Lakeville Country Club was zoned for commercial use. Uh so there were some challenges. Uh but working with uh Matt
Lawler at Robinson Cole and Town Council, we developed a master development agreement uh which was comprehensive that outlined our mutual obligations both from us and also from the town. Uh we created the uh senior housing overlay district uh that was
worked through that allowed the town to control uh when that district was used via town meeting meaning anyone that wanted to use that overlay district still had to go back to town meeting to get approval. So it wasn't something that just sat on the books uh
permanently. Uh without going into too much of the particulars uh but just to give an understanding of the site uh we we uh contemplated in that master development agreement the creation of 102 homes spread across the three
buildings various uh private amenities for the community of pool and pool house central green community gardens and dog park. Uh and then boxed out are two of the pro uh public amenities in which we had the opportunity to donate land for
pickle ball as well as a senior center and work with the town to uh structure uh mitigation payments. Um but that was what was needed uh in Halifax and it's not necessarily what's going to be needed here. Uh but it was something
that the town of Halifax said, "Hey, this is our number one issue with seniors. How can you help address it?" and and we did so uh we we worked with the town and came up with the plan for both the senior center as well as the pickleball courts. Uh the pickleball
court is actually in active construction now. Um and the senior center is in the public bid process. Uh there was just an RFQ for the design team to submit their resumes and um the town is currently reviewing it. Uh from the moment we
received our yes vote at town meeting, which was an overwhelming yes, um we have been hitting the ground running. Uh this is our first building. We're going to be conveying units in December, and we continue to build the community
uh out as we envisioned uh from the beginning, including those pickle ball courts. How we how we uh approached this uh uh process was we worked collaboratively with the town leaders um figuring out
what was right uh figuring out the legal aspects of the deal uh through council and and our own experience um and we took our message to the community. So, uh Cal is going to be joining with me, Lloyd's going to join me, Dave's going
to join me and we actually went to the people. Uh we we had meetings at the Council on Aging. Uh we rented space at restaurants and held town hall style events. We went to community organizations and we got all the feedback that we could. And we also
delivered the message on behalf of the town and us as to what we thought uh the town wanted and heard what they wanted uh back to us. And we made modifications based off of those inputs. And that's the same type of commitment uh that we
will have here in Lakeville because like Lloyd said at the beginning, we don't want to wear a black hat. This is a long process that we're all going to be on uh together and it all starts with having a a collaborative approach. Um and so we we are excited because this is a really
cool uh community having a golf course built in. So uh we're excited. Um, I'm going to turn it over to Matt uh who who works for Robinson Cole. Uh, he he helped uh build out a lot of those agreements that the town um needed in
Halifax, but he also is here to talk about 61B. >> Matt, sure. You can you can keep it because I think it's just one slide. >> Perfect. Um so again so Matt Lawler I'm with Robinson Nicole um council to Thorndikeke and uh as Michael was describing um we we think we could
follow the process and the basic template we followed in Halifax year um and we would I think somewhat as we'll describe sort of work in the 61B aspects of that as we go. So, as currently zoned, the property does not allow the multif family uh senior residential and
and duplex residential that Lloyd described um that are central to the conceptual master plan. So, at a high level, um what Thorndike and and the current owner are proposing is to work cooperatively with the town on a master development agreement as Michael described. And that master development
agreement would set out the scope of the project, set out the mitigation um that would apply to the impacts of the project. Um and then finally would would work toward zoning amendments to allow the commercial to allow a uh the multif
family residential and senior residential in a commercial district as was done in Halifax. So there would be the same sort of overlay process and we can describe a little more detail during Q&A kind of what that entailed. Um if those amendments are successful as as
Lloyd described there would be immediate sort of action around the golf course but also at that point is when we expect we would work with the current owner to provide the notice to the town with respect to 61B. That's the point at which it is possible to change the use. So the notice would get sent to the town
and then the idea would be consistent with the amendments uh to the zoning as well as the development agreement. The town would expect to wave the the right of uh first offer that it has under 61B at that point sort of consistent with everyone's understanding of how the
project is going to move forward. Um I think at that point um after we have uh sort of secured the the reszoning um as Michael described in the in Halifax the approach was to then really
as as aggressively as possible move forward with the rest of the permitting. There is a fair amount of permitting that remains after a town meeting vote with respect to both local and state approvals. And so would would move forward with that. And I would want to just emphasize that at every step of
this process, we would expect that we would work very closely with the town with town administrator, these boards, I think especially um as well as town council to make sure that everything we're doing sort of at each step of the process is consistent both with um sort of the town's own bylaws as well as
state law, especially under 61B. And and to some extent, we've already started doing that. the the meeting tonight is the result of discussions that have been going on for the last few weeks as the proposal for the the new conceptual master plan has come together. Um and so I think we would just really want to work very closely both uh with the town
and with town council u moving forward. Um our role as development council would be to focus first on the master development agreement with the town. We'd be very excited to work with you on that. Um and then we would obviously be very excited to work with the rest you know pursuing the the development
agreement as we move forward. So, I think I'll stop there. Um, Lloyd, >> Matt, can you speak to um how the 61B process would get folded into the MDA? >> Sure. I I think the MDA would anticipate within its provisions um that upon the
resoning, that would be the point at which uh after town meeting in the spring of next year. I think that's kind of the schedule we're trying to work with. Um that the notice would get sent to the town. There is I think 120 days under the under 61B that the town has. We we would I think want to have the
development agreement say that assuming that town meeting has voted assuming the notice is consistent with the project that we have um been pursuing that that the town would actually wave that would not take the full 120 days would do it sooner. I think the understanding being that at that point uh we have a project
that the town wants to see happen. We have permitting that needs to happen and so we would want to sort of move as quickly as we could but the development agreement we think would lay out all of that and again that's based very much on the understanding of what the project is what its impacts are what the mitigation
that the development agreement would identify going into the process. So I think the town would sort of have a have a very very clear understanding of what this project is. And so once it got to the point of the 61B notice, it would be very much we understand what's happening here. This is a project we have as a
town want to see happen. And so I think the waiver would sort of flow very pretty quickly from that. That would be the idea. >> So and and we and certainly happy to discuss it during Q&A. We could talk a little bit more about how that worked out. So, what do I think you're
>> Yeah, I had one more little piece I was building. Thank you. Thanks, Matt. Um, just quickly, uh, just to give you a sense of some of the other communities Thornike has built over these years. Um, this happens to be a a shot of a an
apartment community that we built in Ashlin in joint venture with Campanelli. Um, this is condominiums for seniors. Uh, excuse me. This is condominiums that was not age restricted but attracted quite a few seniors in Canton uh which we recently completed. This was a
condominium or is a condominium for seniors in Plymouth at the uh off of the Colony Place. Um, a couple of images of our clubouses. Uh, this is a community that we built in Quinsey called
Chapman's Reach at Marina Bay. um which was one of really our first entries into smart growth and traditional neighborhood design. Uh really uh very exciting project. We're all about community. We're all about new beginnings. What we find is that most of the people that are buying homes from
us, seniors are it's about a change of lifestyle. It's about a new beginning. It's about making new connections. And we understand that and we try and build on that in spades. Uh this happens to be a concert that we sponsored at Redm Mill Village in Norton. Um which and we used
to do these regularly. Um few more shots at Redmill Village. Just giving you a sense of the pedestrian streetscape. Uh Mike mentioned uh in Halifax we have victory gardens. Um in Redill Village here in Norton we also have victory gardens which were tremendously
successful. It's a wonderful thing if you're working on your garden and someone's working next to you and you don't know anybody. All of a sudden you strike up a conversation about your best cucumbers or your best tomatoes. We used to have awards in the fall for biggest of this
or best of that. Um uh this is a uh home for seniors at Pine Hills. Happened to win best in the nation at the time. Um and that brings us back to the um the master plan. I want to just say uh one uh something I I neglected to say
earlier and that's how do we get to 424 units? Um the two ways one we started out uh with the programmatic requirement that we wanted to maintain a and be able to
build a first class quality 9-hole golf course and practice facility. We felt that it was important to maintain that legacy that it would be a helpful amenity for our for our home buyers um and something that we could start to
work with the town um as a way of uh helping to put dollars into the into the town's coffers. I'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. Um having said that, uh we also have been very successful in uh blending town homes
with condominium buildings. If you visit uh Sawyer's Reach in Plymouth at the back of Colony Place, we have a combination of town homes and multi-story buildings. Um what's common with our customers there is they all want to be part of a new active adult
community. Not everyone wants to be in a large building. Not everyone wants to be in a a town home. And that mix is very important to our marketing. We will market to both at the same time which allows us to have greater absorption, increase the sales pace.
This is a very very expensive project to get off the ground. We rebuilding the the golf course, building a new clubhouse, building a private waste water treatment facility, which costs about $4 million.
What makes this community different from a number of the other communities that we've built is the level of commitment, financial commitment that needs to occur on day one for this to be the community that we need it to be. Doesn't make any
sense for us to wait 5 years to improve the golf course and save that money because we're shooting ourselves in the foot. We can't get past the first two buildings up at the top right corner before we have to build the wastewater treatment facility and expend that $4
million. So in this case, um the size of the community, the number of homes is really essential to the proposal. Um we think it makes sense. It's a large piece of land. Um this is all senior living. Um
and uh and we feel very confident that uh the market is there. There's one statistic, the only thing I wrote down on a piece of paper I forgot to mention earlier because I found it staggering. And that is in 2022 nationwide
there are there were 58 million seniors. Seniors being people over the age of 65. In 2050 that number is projected to be 82 million. So over the next 30 years, even though the population of the
country is not increasing anywhere near that dramatically, the senior population will go from 58 million to 82 million. We see it every day in our marketing in our seniors communities. There's a tremendous demand, tremendous interest.
It's not right for everyone. Not everyone wants to live in an all seniors community, but it is right for many people. And we think this would be a terrific opportunity. And I think that concludes our uh our uh presentation. We haven't been to answer any questions. >> Right. Lori, I'm going to still let you
hold a little bit of this because I missed 15 minutes of it and I don't want to step on you. So, please would you like to continue on >> and then I will pick it up after >> for the community. Thank you everybody.
[Music] Nice to see you, Jack. >> Sorry. >> Thanks for coming. >> Um, well, that was quite the the presentation. Um, no. Um, I'm going to let this uh board, do you have any um we'll start with the
questions from here and then um planning board um and then we'll open it up to the um to the audience. Um, I I it's it's what I've envisioned. I know that I'm I
personally have um been an advocate to try to keep our senior population in town. Um, I know that to downsize and to stay in town is important to a lot of our our uh residents
and there's really not a lot of inventory for them in which to do so. So, um I know we've had conversations um about that that that was a component. So, um thank you for um coming back to
your presentation um with that. Um so, yes, Mr. Madam vice chair, um the issue with the um deed restrictions for the >> aid based off of a I think we've had some prior conversations of that. If somebody just could refresh my memory on
that. Do we have kind of a issue? Is it a bylaw issue with ensuring that they stay deeed restricted that was never an issue? Didn't come up previously that with with with another with other developments. It's possible that they
could sell and then those deed restrictions fall off. Is that something that we need or the planning board's working on? >> So we I mean as part of the development agreement prior to town meeting, I think that's something that we'd be looking for. >> Absolutely.
>> It would be part of the zoning as well. The zoning overlay for senior housing would only allow housing was 55. >> And I think that's the piece that was missing with other developments that are >> and madam vice chair if I may. Um, and I know there's a member in the audience that can speak to it as well. I believe
it went back to the select board, um, and maybe even town meeting vote when it was overturned for one of them at one point for a development that had been earmarked as senior. Um, but then uh there was a financial uh,
just catastrophe with the real estate market. Um, and it was voted that they would be allowed. But I I think that's >> I think the overlay is going to give I think that's the end. The overlay is going to give us that enforcement to make sure that it stays. >> And it's not a 40B. So it's not like a
financial hardship would have any effect on that. So this would be zoning accepted by town meeting. >> Okay. >> And where we've not had a senior um overlay district um that would be, you know, something new for for our community, too.
>> Um I did have just a quick question. So you you mentioned that you're preparing for a move in December in Halifax. Is that what I heard correctly? >> Yes. >> So um did you do the whole project or are
you phasing the project? >> Can you hear me if I'm talking from you? >> Um so the uh the project as a whole was it was approved as one project. So all three buildings that were shown on that master plan, the 102 units were all
brought in at uh the spring uh actually was a special town meeting in December that the town was holding already and a year ago December and uh we then went through the type of permitting process that Matt alluded to which took about a year. >> Okay.
>> Uh which is what we would expect here. Um and then we were under under construction. So, all three of we've actually we're about to start the foundation on the second building. It's been kind of a punky real estate market. Very hard to predict. Um, but we've been
selling decently. Uh, not as well as I would like, but decently. We are, uh, twothirds of the way through the first building on sales and we've got about a dozen sales in the second building. We've been marketing for about seven or eight months. >> That was my next question. So, you answered that. Thank you very much.
>> Well, excuse me. Let me answer the question as it relates to here. Um, we would we would expect uh to uh sell and build somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 uh condominiums per year. Every
development company is different. They have different DNA. Some developers are focused on getting the best price and if the market slows down, they're going to stick with that price um no matter what. That's not us. We are driven by pace and
we always have been. And over the past 10 years at our communities, if you take out the co years, uh we have averaged about that number of sales per year at our at our condominium projects. The punkiness that we're seeing in the
market over these last couple years with elevated interest rates and all the uncertainty that's been going on, ironically, is probably helpful for a community like this that's likely to start two years from now or 2 and 1/2 years from now because uh there's just
that much more pent-up demand that's occurring and um and we think our timing would be very good. It's was a long buildout. I mean, this is I don't want to fool anyone. And this is a 10-year project. Start to finish. It's a 10-year project. From the from this day until
the day that the last home is conveyed and the last warranty item is dealt with is 10 years. Maybe it's eight, maybe it's 11, but for planning purposes, think 10. >> Okay. Yeah. Good. All right. Let's turn it over. All right. Members and
>> Oh, no. >> So, I have a handful of questions. Um, I'll just start. Some of them are infrastructure related I guess. Could you explain the water line >> installation process? >> Well, we don't have a process for the water line yet, Andrew. Um, that's
something that we is at the very very top of our list. Something that we um if we get past this evening, we hope to work with you uh to understand what the options are. But we need town water without town. We we can handle our sewers ourselves, but we cannot handle
town water. uh excuse me, we cannot do this with a private well uh because of all the offsets and setbacks and whatnot. So, um it's our understanding that there is ton water in Route 79 um that would need to be brought down to
the property. We're hopeful that with the uh housing proposal of this size, there might be some public grant money from the state uh that we could tap into. Um but one way or another um we need to include uh a water line extension.
>> Okay. Have you thought about any off-site traffic improvements? >> Absolutely. Um I should have mentioned that. Thank you for bringing that up. Um it would be a a early first step that we would do. Um we generally uh we have
talked with uh VHB Vaness which is major engineering firm. I don't know if they've done anything here in town. Um, >> but uh we've >> I actually went to school with Bob Russell many many years ago. So, we've used them for decades and uh we >> intend to use them as our engineers
here. They would do the traffic as well as the civil and uh the wastewater treatment facility and all of that. >> Okay. And the last question I had, um, as I'm sure you might know, we have a lot of developments going on in town. M >> does that fiscal analysis show all those or is it just your project
specific? >> No. The the the um the fiscal analysis the better the information that you can provide to Craig, the better the results will be. He will incorporate everything that's going on in town now and project
yearbyear what the impacts of it will be. Um and and he's fantastic. I mean, >> so current those currently those numbers don't figure in uh in anything that you've proposed here. >> The the proposal that we showed was the
physical impact study that was done in Halifax uh because we had completed that for Halifax. I showed it only as an example of what we would like to do here in Lakeville. Yeah, I was just thinking of like the hospital property,
potentially the MBTA, Rocky Woods, miscellaneous, >> right? All of that as well as getting access to all of the cost data for the town would would be factored in. Yes, >> that's everything I have. >> That's everything you have. Now, I move it right along the members of the select board.
>> I had a quick question. Absolutely. >> If I could and I think the planning chair kind of hit on this already. None of this falls under 40B, right? So nothing would fall under 40 Y as far as affordability for anybody. >> No. So we'd have to establish a zone for that and pass out a town meeting
separately. So this is this would be something totally >> and I think the age restriction itself would preclude from being involved in 40 Y. Yes. Anyway, okay. >> Those are starter homes. >> Um and could I get an idea of the price range that you're in in Halifax
>> currently? And I understand today's dollars aren't tomorrow's dollars. >> So I should have brought that information since it's 100% that that question was going to come up. >> Okay. >> Uh but I forgot to. However, we have a website for the project. If you go to
the Thornike website, you can uh go through to Featherwinds, which is the name of the Halifax community. All the pricing is on the website, but in round numbers, the prices go from somewhere around $350,000 for a small onebedroom to $550,000
for the larger twobs. In today's dollars, you know, that's a that's a fairly modest number. I'm sorry to say, but it is. >> Okay. >> Thank you, >> Quanka. Did you have anything else? >> All right. I'd like to open up to the planning board.
>> All right. Um, John. >> Yeah. Um, no, again, nice presentation. We were happy when you guys came back. Again, the presentation a year and a half ago where it was impressive then, still impressive now. Um, couple items. One, um, I noticed on your
sheet, the 240 units, you have fourtory units. >> Yes. Fourtory buildings. >> Right. So, I I think our zoning bylaws only allow three ft max. So, I don't know how that factors in because that's going to be about 60 units, right? I'm assuming. Oh, I don't know what the floors are. I
don't know how many units in a in a building >> for the four story unit. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, that would have to be part of the consideration in the overlay district. I mean, the way we would expect this to work, >> um, and and we've done this a number of times in the past, is we would there
would be new zoning that would be created for that overlay district, and it would lay out an entire program that that um works with the proposal. So it would we we could have the fact that the
overlay district would allow for fourstory condominium buildings doesn't mean that you would need to be allowing that in any other zone. >> But now just to kind of piggy back on what John's saying. So that is where you're going to see push back. Like I've already gotten text messages saying I
love it except for the full story. So I think you are going to see push back. And that and that 35 foot um is is what has been accepted previously at town meeting. So I think you are going to see people more inclined to >> to want to see it stay at the threetory.
I don't know if that's something you've considered or if you could take that into consideration. >> Well, this is a first plan. I'll start there. It would be very challenging. We need the unit count. I I mean as in I would say to you if we can't if if you don't feel that um you as boards can get
behind a project of this scale, I completely understand. But it doesn't work if it gets smaller. Um so that would mean we would need to find another way to accommodate those homes. I will tell you and I'll do some pointing here if I can
that uh first of all the comment is not surprising to me. Second, I will tell you that if this is the only issue we have going through the town meeting, >> I will consider it a win. >> Okay. Um, however, having said that, these two buildings at the top that are
closest to the uh neighbors are the threetory buildings. Uh, these buildings that are buried back in the center of the project that are a/4 mile away from any neighbor are where we're showing the four-story buildings. So, we were trying to be uh reflective and responsive to
that issue by how we located them. Um, there's a fourstory townhouse building at Sawyer's Reach in Plymouth that we built. If you go to Colony Place and you go to the very back to where our community is, when you drive in, the building on the left is four stories.
The buildings on the right are three stories. They're exactly the height and scale of the buildings that we would be proposing here. So, I would encourage you to take a look. Um, obviously, when we go to four stories, we're able to um
create more open space. It's part of how we're able to create the program that we can. And I will tell you, they're much more efficient. >> Um, and that means that we get our price points down. And I have to ask the question and I'm sure I'll be having this we'll be having this discussion
many times at least I hope we will um that in this particular situation the impact of going an extra floor in the center of this golf course to me um
is a reasonable tradeoff to be able to get the price of the homes down for our seniors and to be able to preserve more open base. That's where I come out. And if we can't get there, we can certainly look at three stories. >> Um I'm not quite sure what that would
require us to give up, but um you know that extra there are 1 2 3 4 five fourstory buildings. So that means there are 60 units. So at 36 units, that means we have to find some place for two more buildings. And we have to raise the
price on the homes. >> All right. >> Yeah. You got text messages already? I did. Yeah, absolutely. >> Follow real quick with the with the 35 ft too. And I and I believe some of this is going to get he'll come up during site and again this is a site plan review but he'll come up with the fire chief is going to have an issue with
>> sure >> apparatus his reach because now you're you're putting that if that outreach is you know because I don't know what the heights of the >> that is but you know 12 new ladder. Yeah. And then you left. So yeah, that um >> and those buildings will have elevators as well, right?
>> That'll be a key. >> Elevators. Yeah. >> He doesn't understand that. >> Good question. >> And then anything >> the fact that the zoning is 35 ft right now >> from a from the way in which this would
get shaped is not >> is not an issue, >> right? But but I understand that that's the expectation and so on so >> right the residents all >> these buildings would be 10 or 11 ft higher than that >> right okay >> so >> uh Dan
>> yeah so um again I echo my colleagues here and saying this is a great presentation I mean I'm glad you folks are back into the mix to discuss this with us >> it's hard to see from these renderings but is this the entire footprint of the Lakeville Country Club
>> yes it is >> okay that was one of the questions I had um and cuz I know a lot of the residents are going to wonder about that and in terms of this footprint um again I don't have my glasses on to see this but um
how are the buffer zones in for the residents in terms of the ones that live in nearby residential areas? So, what are you folks thinking in terms of the the the spacing in between the units and so forth and those neighborhoods?
>> Great questions. Um, I I have to be honest, I didn't come prepared to that level of detail this evening, but someone's taking notes. >> Right. >> Where's that note taker? >> Okay. >> Follow up. >> Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. I I I would say that
that would be um something that the residents would probably want to know. Um just in terms of that, but in terms of the overall presentation, what you folks have really given us, I mean, you know, as a board, we have discussed um
just about a year ago and in the plans of everything else, you know, um a senior overlay district for the town. It's it's greatly needed and um you know it's one of those things where you know if we can come to some sort of agreement
I think it'd be a great opportunity. The other thing too is additional listening sessions for the residents of the town. Um those that can't be here tonight I think would be good um with the select board's permission of course. um you know for those residents that have
questions and whatnot and as renderings come about I think would be very good as well. So just some feedback on that but thank you >> David. >> Okay. Um yeah good good first step. Uh
why are we uh why are we limiting to four stories? >> What do you mean by that? You mean >> well? Yeah, you know, if if if count is going to be uh so important and you know, I look at the four buildings up near the
top and certainly you want to keep those as low as possible. And I agree that the buildings there in the middle are a long ways from anybody. And I don't necessarily see
>> uh at least an initial reason why they can't go higher. >> Well, um actually I can give you a very practical answer. >> Okay. >> That and that is that the building codes are such that when you go from four stories to five stories, the type of
construction you can no longer do conventional woodframe. >> Yes. and and as such the cost of that construction goes up materially and significantly and so we lose the benefit going from three stories to four stories
is a very positive financial benefit obviously still one foundation still one elevator when you go above four stories that dynamic changes completely and um and that's that's a practical reason why we would not propose going higher
>> to go any higher Okay. What about pushing the buildings together so that they're not individual pieces? >> Well, I mean, look, the that gets down to a marketing issue and um we've got a
lot of experience on this. We've done some things right and we've done a lot of things wrong. Um but what we have found is that the spacing that you see between the buildings um is about what you need in order for people on the ends who are looking across at another home
and another building not to feel as though it's right in their face. You know, we price each condominium individually. So a home that has is looking across at another building is probably going to be priced a little less than one that isn't. and one that
has a water view will be priced a little differently. Um, all of that stuff gets taken into account and um, I'm not going to say that it can't move around some, but this is a a spacing that that we feel works well. Um >> yeah, I mean >> excuse me, there's one more thing and
that is >> the one of the advantages to building for sale housing as opposed to apartments. Um is that you're you you're able to build these buildings one at a time. So, in Halifax, for example, we
didn't start our second building until we had our first building um substantially sold out. In an apartment community, of which we've built several thousand apartments, that's not the approach. You you start construction on the first building and you complete the project and then you you lease it all
up. Um, so if we were to combine the buildings and make the buildings larger, then that cost of entry, you know, what it costs us to start off and what the expectations are from our lender all changes and the dynamic doesn't work.
This is the sweet spot. We've done this many times before. >> Okay. And and you know what one other uh I wouldn't necessarily call it an issue, but I'd like to see how it uh how it
works is I see too many straight lines. >> Too many straight lines. >> Yeah. >> He's an architect, by the way. >> He's an architect, by the way. >> Okay. You know, so so you know, I I I like it. I'd like to see it work with
the with with the land a little bit a little bit better. >> It's a fair it's a fair fair comment. >> It is. >> Okay. And then the the last I I I I love that you talked about over 55 and population numbers. Where did the last
number come from? >> It's um from a US census projection. >> Okay. It's a census projection. Where where do they suspect the total population goes with that number? >> I don't have that information. You don't have that one, but I will I will get it
for you. >> Jack, do you have any um questions? >> You know, in relation to what David was talking about, David and I are in the same community bar. I'm closer down to the town houses and as you folks well know the butters do not want to go
beyond three stories because granted that they can look out at a four story and I know that they don't want that and I would think that the abutters here knowing what's happened at the over in Learon Hills would say it's good for them it's good for us and we don't want
four stories and I and I can understand that in this kind of a golf course setting. So I that's my only concern, David, that they're going to they're going to push back just like they did. And you know how tough they push back >> down at the at the library. I mean,
we're going to get some serious push back. >> So >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, you guys make the final call. >> But that's my concern that, you know, and I'm the I'm with these see these people every day and they're wondering when are they going to put them up and how many stories and all this and that. I think you need to be aware of that
that the but over there are just going to be just as viferous as they are in the baron hills and it'll and you know I've talked to Muhammad obviously who Muhammad is many times about this and he's you know okay okay that's if that's what's going to take to get him built
fine but that's not what he wants like you >> I don't know how I sold him land once >> oh yeah oh yeah we're very familiar with uh the only other issue is rental units. I know for a fact having friends and relatives that need rental
units in their in their older 60s to get on a list on any town in my in this whole area. They're in down in the 70s and 80s. I mean, they will literally not be around
when they need it. I mean, so I think that's a I think we should consider some of the rentals units like we have at the fairways in Learon Hills. >> But are you planning any rentals? This is all >> you're not planning on building rental
>> having a restricted rental community is tricky. Um it it's harder to price, harder to finance, harder to um to lease up. Um, it's not something that we have experience in and uh I would be
reluctant to include it in this proposal. Okay. >> Thank you, Jack. Uh, Donna, did you have any questions this time? >> Um, most of the questions were answered. Um, but I did not have the benefit of hearing the prop the proposal the last time. So, it was really great to be able
to hear it. Um, the community outreach piece, the 61B piece, and then listening to the questions that came up. So, I appreciated the the presentation. Thank you. >> Absolutely. And thank you. I think everybody's excited to have you back. Uh you were wellreceived the first time. I can't wait to hear what everybody thinks
um and get the residents feedback. Um I hope that we can move forward. >> So you don't think anyone has slashed my tires while I >> absolutely I think they did that to >> just a coincidence.
>> Don't worry about it. >> Can I one more question? Um the golf course I know you say there's over the 10 year span but I know the golf course is going to be a selling feature >> right >> so when is that I guess in >> we would we we we have been we are in negotiations with Sterling Golf
>> Sterling Golf as I mentioned is a extremely wellrespected golf management company. They both manage courses that they don't own and they also own courses >> 10 of them in New England. um our discussion with them and part of
our agreement with the seller is that um when we if we are successful at town meeting and of course we would love to go to spring town meeting. That might be a little aggressive um but that would be our preference. Um, we would we expect
to sign a management contract with Sterling that would kick in the day after town meeting and they would begin renovations of the golf course. And it's a little tricky. Obviously, we would be renovating those holes that we intend to save
>> and not those that we'll be getting rid of. >> Um, but we recognize that the golf course is going to be an important amenity uh for us and for the town. There's one thing I I didn't get into tonight. I don't want to spend too much time on it, but we we know that the town
is going to be looking to us for some level of mitigation. Every project we have built has always included mitigation and we understand that. Um this is a somewhat interesting situation because I um I have never been a proponent of uh
including affordable housing in new market rate housing for a number of reasons. Um what it does is it puts the we have a 40B project that we did not permit but we did wind up uh buying after it had been uh permitted and
started in Raina that's going on right now. It's called Larkwood. >> Oh yeah. >> And it's 152 townhouse units. It's not age restricted. 25% affordable. And we calculated that um having that 25% affordability
adds $100,000 to every market rate unit, >> driving it up. >> And that means that every single young family that's trying to buy a town home when we get started is is taking on that full burden where in my judgment it's something that should be shouldered by a
much larger community. As we get into this a little bit more, we would like to propose to the town some sort of a profit sharing uh mechanism with the golf course >> as a way to generate
proceeds to the town that can be used in a variety of ways for for years and years to come. So, if we were able to put $150,000 or $200,000 a year in the town coffers that could be used to
supplement uh mortgages for uh families starting out, to help with sweat equity projects, to be used uh for public parks, to help with the uh park commission since there is that recreational component here in any which
any way that over time uh that would be a a annual cash flow for 10 or 20 years or something like that and uh that that would be part of an important part of a mitigation program that we would like to
propose to the town. Okay. >> What we don't want to do is include affordable housing in this senior's project because the regulations uh that what used to be DHCD and what am I supposed to call it now? OLC,
>> forget the word the alphabet soup. um the regulations that they have um as to >> in order for seniors to qualify for an affordable unit, the rules of engagement are very very different than someone who
is not um a senior because any of the assets that they have, if they've been living in a bungalow, um the the value of that counts towards their their asset base. And as a result um there are very
few seniors who seniors who look for affordable units have become discouraged and as a result they don't look they look for other options and so it's very challenging to sell affordable senior homes and you've talked before about
having issues with people looking to get rid of affordability. Um, that's that's something that we've never done, but that's a situation where I would worry. So, we'd like to find in Halifax. Um, we wound up making mitigation payments. We are making mitigation payments, I should
say, towards their senior center as well as donating the land. We're not paying for all of it, but we're paying for a significant piece of it. We're building the pickle ball courts. You know, we would like to see uh participate in in upgrading the Cedar Pond Park, putting a
a profit sharing package. >> Clear pond. >> Clear pond. I'm sorry. >> Clear pond park. Um I got the C right at least, right? >> Um and and something along the lines with the golf course because that's an amenity that I think um will be here for for a long time to come.
>> Yeah. You you you can uh also take solace in the fact that DW Field up in Brockton, >> the city all of a sudden found out that they were making money >> and uh have have put additional money
into the course to uh actually improve their their standing. >> Yeah, that's true. I >> I'm told by Sterling that the practice facilities are very profitable. M >> I know I personally I'm a much better golfer on the driving range than I am on
the golf course. >> Oh, you too? >> No, no. No, it was opposite usually. >> All right. So, get wrapped up. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Select board questions and we're good. >> Planning board questions and I think we can get a little summary after about you
know where you guys are at. Um, even though I know we've had lots of conversations about just the absolute need for the senior population and to be able to serve them in this town in a in a more comprehensive way, I want to open it up to the members of the audience. Do
we have somewhere where anyone can speak um for uh for questions? >> Don't really have a podium or anything, >> but hold a mic in their hand and speak. I'd like to limit it to three minutes per person. Um, and I'd like you to make sure you identify yourself for the
record. Um, show hands who would like to speak. I think I have someone a gentleman in the front and then a gentleman in the back. >> You want to just go right behind the final over here. Oh, okay. >> Okay. Um, hi. I'm Wayne devel.
You don't have to hold it. You can just stand there. >> Well, you hand it. >> All right. So, I'm Wayne Dearville, 10 reservoir lake bill. um fairly close. I just had one question. Um now with a a complex like this, you're going to need
a lot of water. Do you have a projectory of how much water you going to need? And then there will be another follow-up question. How much are we limited to water? >> I I don't have that answer this evening, but >> put that on the notes. >> We will get it to you right away.
>> And uh follow-up question, are we limited to how much water access we have? Yeah, >> we have about 90,000 gallons left about allocation with tons. >> And what are we using out of the 90? Like the total, what do we have?
>> So, we totally have 300,000 gallons. We're down to about 90,000 left. >> Okay. 90. Right. So, and we we have no clue how much um that would be. All right. Well, that's a good note to put up. Um and um and when you develop this,
are you going to be like doing it on a vast scale or are you going to go in phases one and one or you going to just do it as you sell it? >> It would be in phases. Um we have not thought through a phasing plan yet, but
that's a good question too. We got that on the list. >> All right. Um okay. Now this 55 year old uh 55 and older um when I hear the word senior I think is retirement age of 65. Is that flexible?
>> No the 55 is is um federal law. So by by federal statute um 55 if you're 55 and older you're considered a senior and the the statutes that we need to build to um are 55. Anything else is considered age
discrimination. Um there is another category that uh cuts in at 62. Um but that's not something that is used that often. Is not something we would plan on using here. >> I didn't realize I was such a senior. >> Well,
you're not >> I'm still in denial, I guess. >> Uh yeah. Um how long is a process like this take to put a vote together? Uh what's the next steps that we're going to be going through after this meeting?
>> Um next steps we'd be following up and making sure we had all our questions answered from outstanding from this meeting then meeting again and um when it came time for town meeting warrant um to decide if uh something got on there. That would be the broad strokes as it
were. But there's all sorts of bits and pieces in there. The water allocation and the water line um development agreement. any of the development uh agreements and how robust they are and how they come together will all be mitigating factors in getting it as you
know to the town >> uh and getting it into the hands of the people. >> Great. Um uh what do you think this will do for the home values of the buden uh residents? >> You know how I'm going to answer that. >> What do you think about that?
>> I can't weigh in with a professional opinion on it. So, um but um good development is always a good thing. >> Yeah. >> Bad development is always a bad thing. So, >> well, if it's worth more, maybe the houses will go up in value quite a bit.
>> Um so, um Okay. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you very very much. I have a followup from his question. when uh when he was speaking about the water allocations and and what we're looking for, are you looking strictly to use just the water from uh the town water or
the Taton water source or are you going to have like a combination for the wells um for the golf courses? >> Oh, the the all of the uh irrigation would be with with private wells. Okay. >> Yes. It would just be drinking water. >> Thank you. >> Good question.
>> Um I believe Mr. Lamera would like to speak. Please come on up. Sorry for the tight quarters. Mr. Lra, >> Rich Camera, 32 Powerhouse Road. Um, I just want clarification on the uh what
does the municipal golf course mean? >> Municipal golf course is intended to mean that it would not be part of the condominium community. It would be a separate public golf course which would be open to all Lake residents and
residents and individuals beyond. That's what I meant by municipal. >> Okay. And who would own it? >> Well, that's a good question. Um, and uh, one that we need to talk through, but uh, there are various options uh, for owning it. Um, one would be a
private company like Sterling Golf that could buy it. It's not inconceivable to think about the talent acquiring the golf course at some point in the future if that was something that it was interested in doing, >> but it is not excuse me. It's not the plan to have the senior uh project.
>> Okay. Since he used two minutes already, >> we'll we'll add some more time on your minutes. Thank you very much. Um, I have a report here that shows that uh there's 138 acres for the golf course. >> Okay, >> that what you figured?
>> I think that sounds right. >> Okay. There's um 60 acres of wetlands. >> That sounds right. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So, how many needs to answer that question? >> I don't have that answer for you this evening. >> You there, Nancy? I'm here, but I don't know the exact
>> Okay, I know what it is. It's 60. So, that leaves you 76 acres for uh development. >> How much is the golf course acreage out of that 76? >> I don't have that information for you this evening. We'll have to get that to
you. >> Okay. So, you can't answer the next question. Is how how much is the acreage for the uh for the units? We we we will we'll we will provide you with a breakdown of all the acreage by use. >> Okay. Um
I assume is this Clare Point exit or is that Clare Point >> up at the top? >> Okay. So this is another exit onto Crooked Lane. >> Correct. >> Yes. Crooked. >> Okay. Just want to make sure. Um so um
>> 424 units in that area plus the nine whole golf course >> is pretty tight. Really is. That's a lot of units in that area. >> So this project >> is four times as big as the one at
Hellax. >> Correct. >> Okay. So the question is is that if you if you took the 76 acres, you don't have to answer the plan. >> And you're going to put single family houses in there.
>> I believe you can only put about 40 in there >> based on. >> Yes. No. >> I'm sorry, I missed. >> Say again. I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Yeah, maybe. Yeah. >> So if you had 70 76 acres of development, I don't know what the golf course is going to be. uh so those but
you'd only be able to develop 40 single family houses in that area at what I was current zoning is at 70,000 square feet make sense >> right that's why it would be done as an overlay and all of that would have to be >> No I'm just asking a question about if
it was a conventional subdivision >> right >> it would only allow 40 units >> I I don't I can't answer that because I don't know what >> well I mean you got 76 acres divided >> well we know that it has to be 70,000 square feet with 52,000 foot of upland. So,
>> but you don't still have streets and all the rest. >> I agree. But what I'm saying is that >> this project is 10 times bigger than a conventional subdivision, right? That a fair statement. I just want everybody to know the
magnitude of this project. It's huge. >> A huge huge project. Um I'm going to take a quote from uh this the chairman of the suck board from last meeting who said we we uh desperately need economic
development and economic you know businesses and stuff like this. >> Absolutely. >> This area is zoned you know for business >> and you're going to take away more business zone property in town. So the question would be the local hospital
okay is there's is not a warehouse they decided to go with housing and that is 438 housing units on that property right so the commercial drive is um you know
200 units plus 110 and the T has approached the town about putting 200 more units on the old tea station. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. And that's going to happen. You know, it's going to happen whether you like it or not. That means that 70% of that industrial park is going to be
housing. 70%. Once again, losing all this development, all this land for business development. So then you hear I hear about Rocky Woods and Rocky Woods is 179 units. And
the rumor was that, oh, why don't we reszone that for commercial or industrial, right? It's a little late to do that. That's 300 acres. The town could have bought that for $3 million. >> Town could have bought the Lakeville Country Club, too, but they chose not
to. So, so here we are. So, the Lake Sorry. You want to talk about that? You want to talk about I'm just saying you want to bring up that >> what could have been. Let's not talk about what could have been. And just if you have comments about this project, I just stick to it. >> This could have been. So the question is um
>> where's the economic development? >> Where's the economic development? There's another 150 acres behind the um Rocky Woods property that can't be developed as commercial that should be reszoned. I brought it to the planning board three years ago and they didn't
want to do anything. So that should be seriously considered. Um okay. So where are we as far as housing in the town is concerned right now? permitted 438 units of Lakeville
Hospital peritted ready to go. You know, somebody can come in now and develop it and so forth. Rocky Woods 179 units of housing, >> some 55, some affordable, but most of it is single family houses and that's about
98% approved. It's going to be review on 100 units uh just got re just got permitted to finish off that project. Longpoint Road, 33 uh units of condos at U
the final phase of that project. It's already 33 there now. Then the T station of 200 200 units uh is in the process. That's 950 units that is already on ready to be
developed. Okay. >> Not all of those are permitted. >> I'm sorry. Am I interrupting you? >> I'm sorry. But you I think the three minutes was up. >> Oh, you want to stop? >> I will let you finish, Rich. >> Well, thank you because you brought it up as far as businesses concerned. I >> I understand and I I I think you have a
very valid point even though these are over spanned over years. This is not a one-year shot that all of these units are coming in. >> So, it's 950 >> and this proposal is 424. I have 400. So, that's 300 1350 units.
That means that the population the housing unit population will go up by 25% in the next I'll use as example 10 years 20% of a housing units. We have 4,500 housing units right now. That's a lot.
And then the population population is going to go up. Our population is just under 12,000 12,000 people. Our population is going to go up about 2400 bas just to based upon these house alone. 2400 people that's a 20% increase too.
So then we only want to talk about the Holland Road property which I'm extremely disappointed the town didn't get the opportunity to purchase it. That's 550 acres that's going to get developed too. >> Thank you. >> I appreciate your time. Um, thank you.
>> And I I know economic development is important to everyone at this table and we've had conversations um and it's something we are going to come to a an inflection point um where it's going to become overwhelming. However, um some of these developments that we have in town
as you know they're they're not by choice and that's kind of a different story. Whereas in this is the type of development that the people have asked for in town. I know member Carboni has been bringing it up every time since
2019 um about managing and giving somewhere for our senior population to go. Um and but uh Mr. Camera is not wrong. We we don't have any economic development in town. Um you know it I
have had conversations with various businesses and we need to find a way to be more businessfriendly especially if we are bringing in more residential. Um, the only promising conversation I've had uh lately was was with the chief growth officer from Sprouts Market um who said
he might be interested in coming to Lakeville um and and is interested in um coming and visit and having a conversation. So, we do have some stuff on the horizon um but uh housing can't be our only business. >> Absolutely. and and and we can't talk in
in speculation because we have to deal with what we have in front of us and we can't look back and say what could have been because here we are and it still has to go through a whole process of town meeting. The residents have to be in in favor two/3s majority for a zoning
change to pass for the overlay. Um I assume it's the same. I think it's the two3. >> So um >> but then the same conversation could be the whatifs. What you know what if something else goes in there? What if something you know less desirable or still just as impactful but less
>> or more so impactful because of the rural setting. Yeah. So, um, points taken for sure. Um, and we are taking it very seriously, um, on economic development. Um, but it is a really horrible market for for having that
conversation and trying to bring brick and mortar to town. Um, we're um, you know, what is it? Brushing your teeth and eating Oreos. It's it's not it hasn't been very fruitful, but it's something um, I know we're really pushing for. So, uh, we will try to do
better as as a board and as just individuals trying to welcome businesses to town and I would love to see the planning board, you know, start coming up with a way to expedite things for businesses coming into town. Um, as well as the economic development committee
working in in concert. >> We would love to and we definitely need a planner to help us get to those goals. Absolutely. >> And, you know, just solid economic development formulas as well. Yeah. >> Um, any other members of the audience would like to speak to this project in particular or the impacts of this
project? >> My two cents and Noel Reillo, this developer seems more creative than um what I've seen from other developers. And what I would envision for that property, I think it could be something
really beneficial for Lakeville. I like the idea of the taller buildings being in the middle of it so they're not staring down at Reservoir Avenue where I I could envision something similar to maybe on a smaller scale. Cordage Park
in Plymouth has a business center where entrepreneurs meet and they they timeshare office space and you could draw in terms of economic development. It could be a draw, especially if you have a nice little
restaurant where there's some good chia. You know, I I think that it has to be not thought of as just housing or just golf. I think that I like the idea of it having a draw for people in the
community and young entrepreneurs um so that they didn't have to go to Plymouth for all that. you know, I I met my son in Pine Hills to um for coffee and um you know, we just walked around it, had a nice meal and um
>> because it's a destination and it's a lifestyle. >> So just so thank you. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Any other questions from the board, comments from the board? Um >> no, but yeah, that that red crossing >> one at the end.
>> One at the end. Having heard this presentation, as we heard the one from Rhino, I've only been on the plane go for five years. My only concern is, as Rich has already said, we keep building housing,
which is I'm not opposed to it, but our infrastructure is going to take a huge hit. >> It it >> and the school system is going to take a huge hit. >> Not 55 and older housing. It it statistically >> Okay. Yeah. that. But I'm concerned that if we put in mixed use housing and all
that kind of stuff where we bring in more families like we do down in where I live in Baron Hills because all those towns >> that will be more impactful on the budget as well. >> I mean my concern is how's it going to impact the school system. >> But that's a different project. This
project is 55. I agree. My I guess my only when we go to it's really up to the the people in the town. It really is. Our job is to to bring things to the people of the town. Um it either support it or or or not support it and but
really ultimately uh it it's up to the people of town. We could we could bring them all sorts of projects that we think are great and they could still agree. >> Put them down. >> I agree. And I I I would I you know like like you know which is we
sat through the the uh the hospital project in the abutters went on and on and on and to their credit he was successful >> I guess I mean if you want to call it that but I think that's the concern that we go to the town meeting with this project or any other project and
>> and I think you have so many uninformed people >> but I think that's a good point about the outreach um The outreach for some of the projects in town has not been a positive experience for the residents, I'll have to tell you. Um there was a pro project that went through that was scare tacticky.
>> So I think the more recent the So what we saw more recently with the old hospital property was wellreceived. >> No to the prior >> the prior yes the more recent three years ago I'd have to say yeah there was some negative outreach. It it turned out to be in it turned around completely and
it was positive outreach and it was the difference between you know people supporting it and people like reaching and putting signs in that lawn not just >> yeah I guess my only I hope we don't just take the not we the town take the
easy way out and put in housing rather than doing the good fight >> because if we don't I mean at some point we're going to the only income we're going to be getting is from the renters Yeah, >> there's no renters for this. >> Well, I mean, you don't have the mortgage. You know, the only the only people >> You mean the taxes,
>> right? >> Okay. >> That's all we have >> because we don't have any more industry. >> That's right. 84. >> I mean, we can build all the marijuana places we want over there. >> All right. >> With that, we'll wrap that up. Um,
Andrew, did you have anything else that you wanted to wrap up with this with the discussion for today? Um, did we have this listed as anything besides questions and answers? I know we have a stack of questions um that are follow-up
questions. Um, I would love that to be part of the presentation when the presentation goes online, like an FAQ section where it has all the questions that were asked here and the answers provided uh by you with any visuals any any additional visuals um as they seem
to be very effective. Um, but really it was the waterline, the off-site traffic improvements, um, people taking a little road trip to Halifax, um, Plymouth and Plymouth, um, and, uh, taking a look, uh, seeing the
height of the fourth floor, uh, over in Plymouth at Sawyer's Reach. Um, and then really having a a good think on what projects that we would be looking for in town and thinking on that profit share on the golf courses if that's something
we'd like to hitch our wagon to as kind of instead of a physical project which has been the norm in the past, you know, something that is a budget builder or a revenue source um for years to come. Um and then the water allocation uh how
that works and uh looking at what Mr. Lamera said as the coverage of the acres. um as far >> that would be through site I mean that would be provided at site plan review but if they can get it sooner then >> but if you've got it people are going to want to know it and I would like to have those answers or to be able to point
them to somewhere where those answers exist um in order to have a conversation where there's no uh information asymmetry where we're all on the same page >> and maybe the price point uh proximities and um >> thank you
and >> what was the proximities question the price point >> yeah the price point maybe include the elevators question in there just so anybody who hasn't watched the presentation can see right there elevators. Yes. >> Anything public safety related um as well
>> in the red mill crossing info. I think restaurant in that area would be correct. >> Anyone else? >> I madam chair um I know it wasn't on the agenda but um if we can add it to the next agenda where um this board can vote um to identify a liaison to work with um
>> Thank you. town administrator um so that we can start to push it forward. >> Yeah. Y can put that on. >> Do you need someone from planning too or no? >> I would. Yes. >> Okay. >> Um if anyone wants to volunteer, please uh reach out to Andrew
so we can >> in the list vote it next meeting. Madam Chairman, are >> these folks going to be doing outreach meetings? So that >> well let they did mention they they are available for outreach meetings. So that's what will come through the
liaison about the how, the when, the where and and the why. >> I think that'll make it a lot easier before we get to the 10 meeting. >> And then we can, you know, book off space at the library depending on how many people are. That's our big spot. That's our hot meeting spot if we have
uh anything with a a decent number of attendees. >> Are we good to go? >> I think we are. >> All right. Would someone like to motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much and thank you vice
chair for taking over while I was on plane. If I can >> Yeah, I know you have their call to order. You got to shut it down. We still messed up.
>> Yeah. [Music] yet. Please come if we will. And did you mention I throw that in? Now we're just dying the ship. [Music]
What was your name? >> Nice to meet you. >> I don't know. Thank you so much. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. We are going to go back to discussion and possible vote to set the final warrants of this fall special town
meeting and to sign the document. >> All right. So, Madame Chair, I earlier um the board had voted to um the articles on to put the
articles on the warrant um for the fall >> and all articles made it. >> There were five. Yes. Okay. All five articles. Um I'd like someone like to make a motion. I will make a motion um to set the final
warrant as presented and sign the document. >> Seconded. >> Motion in a second. Any further discussion from member members? >> Hearing none. Roll call. >> Punt I. >> Flood I. >> Carbon. I >> Candido I. Thank you very much. Um item
number three, uh discuss and possible vote to approve $15,200 payment to the Nature Conservancy box turtle mitigation fund related to natural heritage and endangered species program NHSP
requirements related to the new fire station building project. Andrew, do you want to speak to this briefly? Yeah. So, this has been going on uh quite a while since the fire station project became um even a thought really. Um as part of the national heritage process, communities are asked to offset
disturbances to land with land protection in the form of either a transfer of land or a payment. At the November 2024 special town meeting, we had set aside seven or eight parcels to hopefully meet that qualification.
And it turned out um Natural Heritage did not like any of them. So um >> could you just dive into that a little bit because that that is a frustration because I know that we have tried and failed on multiple building projects
where it is seems that um they want you know that buildable up planned and even that doesn't even satisfy sometimes depending on on things. Um it feels like moving the goalpost a little bit. Yeah. From I guess from my perspective, all the pieces of land that we own aren't
really developable. >> Y >> um and they they kind of see that and so when when we offer up a piece of land that's not really developable, they really don't care for it because they say >> but forgive me if I'm wrong. It it it's not just strictly developable, it's
impact. and something where we're allowing nitrogen loads to be less and and all of those things that should count as impact, but it never >> seems to count as impact. Not that we're planning to do a lot of building projects in the future. It's just a an
ongoing frustration. Um but >> so they came back with essentially our fine our donation to the Turtle Conservancy. >> Yeah. >> Which is $15,120. And this fire station project can't break ground until Yeah. >> this is finalized.
>> Yeah. So, comments. >> I mean, I I completely understand having lived through this through the police station. Um I got to say that this um if we voted to approve this payment, I
think that we'll be able to move that project forward. And I don't think that it um is as much as that we might be able to sell the land if we were to do so. >> So, just to to mention, and I could be wrong, it was between 8 and 10,000 for
the police station um for the project, and I know we had estimated this at somewhere this fine as it were, which is interesting. Um between 30 and $50,000, so it's less deer than we thought at the beginning. Uh and then member Carboni um
you know we're pushing that up against what $200,000 or $400,000 worth of lots. >> So it's a better financial deal for us to pay for it even though no one's actually explained to me why we need to. >> So
>> yeah, it's just a it's a it's a do not pass go type of thing for the fire station. So um I will take and >> we're ready. We're ready. I will take a motion. >> Well, I will make a motion um that the
select board vote to approve the $15,120 payment to the natural n nature conservatory conser conservancy box turtle mitigation fund. >> Seconded. >> A motion and a second. Any further discussion on the turtles?
>> Just want to give a shout out to Nate Darling, >> please. put in hours and hours of his life into this. >> Yes. Our very own turtle boy. >> Yes. I mean, >> this has been one of those um situations where Nate had the the forward thinking
of trying to, you know, minimize it. >> Yep. I remember conversation a couple years ago that we knew it was coming. So, that's very impressive to pull it down. >> So, thank you, Nate Darling. >> Yes. Thank you very much. I have a motion in a second. >> Roll call.
>> Hunt. I plug I >> carbon I >> and either way I [Music] for the regular items unless I'm missing something. >> No, we went right through everything. Perfect. Um announcement for the next
select board meeting date is October 21st at the Lakeville Police Station at 5:45 and we will be going through warrant review at that time. Um, is there anything else to come before the board?
Hearing nothing. Um, oh, I do have one thing. >> Damn it. >> This is real quick though. Um, as I mentioned in the the announcements, we have the uh trunk retreat which is Sunday. I know the select board has um said that
we would do a trunk. So, um I know you're all looking at me like, "Okay, so I will, you know what? I will help offline coordinate this as a surprise." >> Buy candy. >> That's really what they want you to say.
>> Yeah, I will buy candy. >> Madam vice chair, I was hoping that I'm hoping that the weather is good because I have a a uh a lot of space on the flatbed of my truck that I'm going to have some hay bales on and so forth. and I will be over there with my lovely
bride. >> Fantastic. >> Y >> that was it. >> That's it. All right, >> Madam Chair, one real quick. Uh Andrew, any we talked about the last board meeting a potential public forum for Rocky Woods? Any response from the developer?
>> No response yet. All right, we'll give it one more shot and then we'll wait till after town meeting and have it then and pull it back again because it tends to get a little cramped um you know right before town meeting is things that we're trying to get done. But I think
anything else announcements oh and the um the snow persons will be at trunk or treat as well for uh snow person donations as well. All right. All right. Take a motion.
>> Motion to adjurnn at 7:45. >> Seconded. >> Motion to second. Roll call. >> Hunt. I >> carbon Okay. Anyway,