[Music] Okay. I'm going to call to order the zoning board of appeals meeting for May 12th. Uh we have one agenda item. Can everyone hear me in the room? Little louder. Okay. Well, I was going
to attempt not to use this mic, but I guess I will. How about now? Now, I just got to make sure I don't talk too loud. Um, okay. So, again, I'm calling to order the zoning board of appeals meeting May 12th. Uh, the one
agenda item is the All right. I have no control over that. Nope, we don't. All right. So, here's what's going to happen. We're just going to have to talk real loud so we don't have uh feedback. So, this meeting is for the continuence of the Simmons Hill, also known as Rocky
Woods project, um off of Freetown Street. Um it was continued for a number of months, uh due to the petitioner in the town trying to see if they could come up with another alternative and the petitioner at this point has asked that
we uh resume the meeting. So, what I'm going to do at this point um is turn it over to the um to the applicant petitioner and have them give us an update um as to where they are and what they're proposing or looking to do going
forward. So, attorney Mather Chairman is going to uh pass on some plans because we're going to put them in the screen and you'll I'm not sure how clear you can see the screen. Okay. He's just given us plans that are going to be up on the screen for you folks to see too. So,
Uh, Mr. Chairman and board members, for your record, uh, my name is Robert Mather. Uh, and I represent the applicant Simmons Hills LLC. With me tonight, um, for the applicant, Muhammad Itani, Ramy Itani, working the screen.
Um, we also have from Stonebridge Home, Salem Kadura, and that good. Okay. and um also our project engineering outback engineering Jason Youngquist. Uh this is a continuation of an application for
comprehensive permit pursuant to Mass General laws chapter 40B. I have uh delivered a letter to the ZBA secretary which states that the applicant agrees that the statutory time period that the board has to make a decision um which as
the board knows and for the uh u public's understanding is 180 days. The applicant uh agrees that that 180 days will begin today. It's as if we're starting over again. um in September uh
which is the last time that we had a public hearing. Um and at that time I was approached by a Lakeville town official. We agreed to put the project on hold uh to give the town an opportunity to explore a zoning bylaw
change that would allow a time to uh explore and adopt an open space type zoning bylaw that would allow a basically a non40B type of development for the entire 300 acre uh site rather than just the
proposed 185 acre site. However, after um which was actually very diligent attempts by the Lake Planning Board, um it was obvious that there just wasn't public support for uh such a zoning change. So, uh we're back here uh to
continue with our comprehensive permit application. Um however, um we have made some um the applicant has made some very significant uh revisions to the original uh proposal. So what I'd like to do is kind of refresh your memory. Uh so if I
can ask Ramy to put up the original concept plan u and I want to uh show you what the uh original proposal was uh and then tell you um how um we're changing on
that. Okay. So uh the original proposal uh was to develop a total land area of 184.6 acres uh and that was uh with upland area of 140.5 acres and for that particular
project there were going to be three different types of development. There were going to be 44 units of single family homes. There was going to be 46 units of duplex homes um which were going to be age restricted and there was
also going to be 110 units of condominium homes and those would be 11 twostory 10-unit buildings and that would would have been a total uh unit development of 200 housing units. The
revised proposal is going to decrease the number of units from 200 to 76 units. So that's a reduction of 24 units. And uh it's a bit simpler.
Instead of three different types of units, it's going to be 176 single family homes. Uh no uh condo units, no duplex units. Uh, and it's actually
originally it was going to be on um a uh total area of 184.6 acres. This is going to be on a larger um area. Uh the revised proposal is on
238.5 acres. So there's an increase of 54 acres. So there is 54 more acres, 24 uh less units. Uh you'll see I'm going to give Jason a chance to go over the
proposal in a little bit more detail. The minimum lot size of the lots is 15,000 square ft, but what you'll see is the average lot size is 23,250 square ft. Um and by way of
comparison because we have in the past as as everyone knows we've we've made some comparison to the um other development by by this particular developer which is Learon Hills. Learon Hills has a portion of that development
that is single family homes. 77 single family homes and by way of comparison the average lot size of the development at Learon is 8,000 square ft. these lots the average lot size is
23,250 square ft which is almost three times that that size. Uh the minimum frontage of the lots would be 57.5T. There is another significant change and that has to do with um water,
how the water is provided in the original development and and it was actually because of the fact that there were the the condominium units, the multifamily buildings. The original proposal included a proposal for the
installation of a community well. in this proposal because of the individual lots. We're now proposing individual wells on on each lot. Uh as far as uh septic is concerned, that remains the
same in that there would be um a uh a septic uh treatment plant that would be constructed in accordance with the regulations of the DP. So those are the significant differences. Um uh and so as
you'll see these are all single family dwellings. Uh and as far as the water is concerned there will be um individual um individual wells. the
um at this point um I would like to ask Jason. So Jason if you could go through in a little bit more detail and Jason when you do again please remind the board as to where we stand uh with the conservation commission also and where
we left the proposal with them. Sounds good. How you doing? I'm Jason Yungquist from Outback Engineering. Um, uh, Bob mentioned quite a few of the details of the project, but I'll just kind of give a brief overview of where
what it was and where we're going. Um, hello. Yep, there we go. Um, so this is this project's 238 acres. It's wooded. Um, there's wetlands through the project. Those wetlands have all been u flagged by Goddard Consulting. um that
wetland delineation was presented to the conservation commission and that wet all the wetland lines have been approved um by the Lakeville Conservation Commission in an OAD that was issued in January of this year. Um so
that kind of set in stone where the wetlands are. Um it's not a natural heritage, it's not an endangered species area, it's not for endangered species. um the wetlands. There's some vernal pools on the site and those were all delineated and um presented to the
Lakeville Conservation Commission to make sure they were accurate. Um this site has two proposed accesses off of Freetown Street um that the that will access the
homes. Um and the traffic study's already been done uh and previously done for the 200 units that was previously proposed. Um this plan shows drainage areas um kind of conceptual drainage areas as it moves
forward. We'll get into in-depth drainage analysis of where storm water would go um from the roadway, from the houses, from the lawns um to make sure that there's no impact to any embers. Um we're we're regulated by D on how we
analyze and control runoff from storms and we're not allowed to increase runoff flow to abunding properties, increase runoff to wetlands. So we have to control the runoff. gets trapped um in catch basins, leeching basins, water
quality basins. Um so the runoff is is collected in various locations, numerous locations through the site. Um it's treated and then some is absorbed back into the groundwater um to make sure we're not depleting any of the groundwater and the rest is released
into the wetlands or wherever direction it went before. Um but again we have to analyze that there's no increase in off-site flow for pre-development which is right now when it's all wooded versus postdevelopment when the project is completed. So it's an
in-depth analysis um that we do um overseen by D and I'm sure when we get to that point um the zoning board would have a consultant review anything that we do um to make sure we're all in agreement. As was mentioned, the prop
the site is proposed to have a sewage treatment plant for all the houses, one spot. So, it'll go to a processing center where it's treated and then discharged um through a leeching field. that would be approved through D to make
sure all groundwater standards are met, all treatment standards are met, um to make sure there's no impact to abuing properties, wetlands, groundwater or anything like that. Um this development, the way we've
laid it out, um there's 238 acres, but that also gives us 152 acres of open space. um some of its wetlands, but most of it's uplands um that can be used for trails. Um we have a number of access points through the subdivision to get to the open space
um so the open space can can continue to be used um by the community. Um we have a community community area u for the residents uh dog park um a gazebo like community center area
um also that the residents have their own only own place to congregate and and um act as their own act as a community. Um and again this is you know this is the pre preliminary conceptual layout
and we'll get into an in-depth grading drainage uh analysis of everything um where we get into finite deal details on how it's graded that this treatment plant away from the Yep. So we we move the treatment plant.
It's it's 300 ft from the closest lot line uh in one direction and 5 over 500 ft in the other direction. And again, that's that's that's just not a septic system where it's goes into a septic tank and then goes into the into a leeching
system. That's a sewage treatment plant where it goes through a number of clarifiers uh where it gets treated where the bacteria and and harmful contaminants are actually removed from the from the wastewater
um before it's before it's recharged. Did I miss anything? No. So, uh, some of the things we say, of course, we're repeating from from before, but since it's been,
um, almost a year since we, uh, were here before, um, we uh, I' I'd like Muhammad to go through again and and show you what he proposes for this particular development. Again, I've I've
mentioned many times in the past that this project is going to be similar to Learon, also similar to other projects that that Muhammad has done. I believe you have another one nearby Muhammad in Bridgewater. That's correct. Um and we'd like to show uh and when he does a
project like this, he he offers a variety of um of homes. Um and uh they're all of of good quality. They're all similar to Learon. are all similar to uh Bridgewater. You can walk through any of his projects and you can see what
um what they're going to look like. So, Muhammad, can you run through those quickly? Uh good evening. Uh Muhammadani from Simmons Hill LLC. Uh as you see on the screen are some of the houses that we're proposing to build in the community. Uh
those houses are very similar to what we have in Lebanon Hills for the single family as well as we're doing a couple of communities with a similar product, one in Bridgewater and one in West Bridgewater. Uh what what uh Bob alluded
to earlier is that those lots the average lot size is three times bigger than the single family houses that we have in uh Lakeville at Learon Hills. So we believe those lots are nice. They're
they're spread out. The site is wooded. We will be maintaining uh a lot of woods. Uh we have 152 acres of open space. Uh and the open space itself has 97 acres of upland and 55
acres of wetlands. So the majority of the open space that we're leaving is is going to stay in its natural form exactly how it is today. Uh so we're really disturbing
um around from the 238 acres we're disturbing 52 acres. Uh trying to read it uh uh it's around 52 acres. So, we're
preserving a lot of open space and we believe this this community will be will be uh of great value to the town of Lakeville. Um, and you can see the variety of houses that we built and and you know what what the end result should
look like. Thank you, Muhammad. So uh again we wanted to just give you an overview of of the revisions that we we proposed. U we know we have um more work
to do. If the board remembers when we last left this off um and that was when we um finished up with the with the traffic again. We had um we had our traffic consultant chapel engineering um
present a traffic study that was reviewed by the town. Town um had their own traffic study done. They came in and they made a presentation. Uh and before we um asked to postpone uh we were
geared at that time to address at the next meeting uh issues that we felt that need that needed to be addressed which would be archaeological and uh Native American issues. Um if the board recalls we had
uh we've engaged the um the services of public archaeological laboratories PL uh who performed a study um they walked the site with a representative the of the Wanog tribe uh and we were prepared to
address those issues at the next meeting. That was before we put things on hold. Um we're of course are willing to address any issues that the board would like to address but we are
prepared to bring uh PLA into uh the next meeting or any meeting that the board would like to address. We feel those issues are important enough um that we can we can have a a meeting just to address those those issues. um at a
point we would ask if the board is um okay with our new concept uh because as as Jason points out these are conceptual plans. There's a lot of um engineering that needs to be done. Um uh obviously
we we would need a go-ahehead by the board to to to do that. Um once we do the engineering of course it has to be reviewed by the town review engineer. Uh we're more than happy to answer any questions that the board has or anyone
else has and would take the direction of the board as to where you would like us to go. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, councel. Um I guess what I'd like to do initially is Bob has brought us up to speed as to
obviously we're going to continue for forward with the 40b application. Um, based on comments given by the applicant, does any member of the board have any questions at at at this point? Um, not that I'm expecting a ton because
basically in theory, you're telling us we're going to continue forward down the 40B road and you've made some changes uh to the plans that you had initially submitted. uh actually I think a a little uh a little better probably as
far as it's it's less units and and a little more um a little more land that you're going to be building over. So, anyone on the board have any questions or concerns at this point? I'll take a quick question. Go ahead.
You got a loud voice. Okay. Um so the question I had was um first question granted the number number of units has decreased to 176 right but I don't understand how many bedrooms are now part of the this development
on average um we would we would think on average there should be a little bit less than three bedrooms per unit. Okay. Uh if if we take Lebaron as an example, Lebaron almost I would say a third of
the houses had two bedrooms and the others had three bedrooms. So if we carry the same format, we should be around 2.6 2.7 bedrooms per unit. Okay. And so what was the ratio the last
with the 200 units? Uh they were the the singles the single families that we were proposing were all three and four bedrooms. Uh no, go ahead. I' I'd rather you do the math than me do the math, right? But I mean if you have like an aggregated total,
I'm looking to compare like what you had for number of bedrooms on the on the original application versus the new one. Does that make sense? So it's the original one was around 250 uh no 350 and this one will be around 420. All right, say that one more time.
Sorry. Uh 350 to 420. 350 on the original submission and now it's 420. No, it's around 420. So we have increased I'm doing trying to do quick math, but yes, around around that area. 70 70 additional bedrooms. 70
additional bedrooms. That's correct. Is that correct? you have a followup. I do um from our prior discussions, are there any things carrying over from what we had discussed prior in terms of uh road improvements,
water access? I mean, you mentioned all the water will be supplied via well. I think we had discussions about tapping water off of uh county. We I thought we had some kind of agreement along those
uh terms and then the traffic improvements on county and uh Freetown Street. Where are we with those? Are those off or are those still being considered? The the traffic improvement is still the way we talked about it before. So any improvements that we
propose to do at the intersection of County Street and Fleeton will still be there. So we're still are committed to those changes. Okay. We still have to go to DOT to make sure that they agree to those changes that we're proposing. Uh,
as far as the water, um, rather than going to what's called a community well, we we we layout, we believe it's better to go individual wells for each unit. Uh now if you look at the total area that we're
proposing uh 238 units if you divide 175 by uh 238 by 175 on average it's ending up to be 60,000 square ft per unit of land basically if you average the whole
thing. So it's not too far off from the 70,000 uh lot requirements that lakefield requires in the regular zoning bylaw. Uh as far as the water uh bringing the water from water from New Bedford through Freetown, it's still on
the table, but what we mentioned before is it's like if we're going to give it a probability, it's going to be around 20% chance. We're still going to be working on that. Uh uh you know, but that's for now what we're proposing is the single
wells for each unit. if we're able to get the water in then we we are working on it but we don't have any um any progress yet at this point. So I for now we're only proposing the the individual wells and if the water becomes
available it's something that we will look at clarify. So to clarify then plan at this point is to do individual wells if the opportunity arises that you can tap into a public water supply off of from Freetown. Um that line that would
be the only alternative. The alternative for a uh a community well itself that's no longer That's correct. That's off the table. That's correct. It was needed before, Mr. chairman because we we were proposing the condos that the buildings
with 10 units and those would have required the community. Well, that's why we dropped that. Okay. So, I realize we're in the conceptual phase right now, right? and we're still discussing this. But along with the same topic of water and water
supply, will you during future discussions demonstrate or show through engineered uh uh studies that the capacity of the water underground will
supply not only all the units that you're trying to propose, but continue to supply all the the existing a butters in the area as well. I'm not sure if I can answer that
question. Are you going to be able to to uh com confirm for us that drilling all of these wells will not negatively impact the um neighbors or anybody else up in that area? I' I'd like to just cl
that is definitely a question that needs to get answered but is there enough capacity of water underground to supply the neighbors and the new residents and will you show that in our future discussions? Now, as you know, sometimes, you know,
when you're drilling for water, you're tapping into different different aquifers, right? Y and and this this site um it's big enough. I would think the aquifer is under it and you have the ponds around the corner that that I
would think and again it's it's I'm not sure if anybody can answer that question really. It's it's a question that cannot be answered. Hang on. Hang on folks. Folks, hang on. So I would not work under assumptions, right? I would work under empirical data, right? That would show me that you
have enough capacity to supply the water for everyone, right? That's the first thing. The second thing is I water consumption in a house typically averages around 30 cubic feet of water per day. That's 223 gallons. So when you
multiply 176 units by 223 gallons per day that is a significant number. I'm not you know progeny so I don't have the calculation in front of me but you know that new number is around you know probably 40,000 gallons 136 times what? 2
223 40,000 pretty good guy probably give me that. So 40,000 of gallons of water per day out of there plus whatever these people are consuming from existing aquifers and underground wells, right?
That's a lot of water. So to me, I want to see and I hope you're coming with data that's going to show that you can supply the water from existing underground wells. So So u it's a good point. However, what what you need to
know is that once the water is treated, any water that gets used is going to be treated and then recharged into the ground itself after it gets treated. And and so technically any any net increase in water use is going to be minimal,
just the water that evaporates when people water their lawns and wash their cars and stuff like that. But I would say 90% of the water that gets used in those walls is going to be recharged into into the water into the ground including any drainage ponds that we
create those are going to be and and or infiltrators that are going to be on the roof systems and stuff like that. So a lot of the water that's going to be pulled out of the ground is going to be recharged back into the ground. Okay. So it should have but we'll be more than
happy to to hire um we have to have I want firm answers. That's that's what I my expectation of that is is that going forward I want to show that you have a firm understanding of what the ground is doing underneath and what the water is.
I would be more than happy to do that. Okay. Great. Thank you. You know the water doesn't Okay. Excuse me. You got a sorry you're going to you're everyone's going to get an opportunity here. Uh go ahead Chris. Yeah. What were the major factors taken into consideration to
change your mind on the unit mix once we decided to drop the community well uh because of a lot of complications with community wells and the the unit mix. We decided to drop that unit once we once we looked closer
at the community wall. We decided to drop that. Now, again, even though I'm I'm I'm only assigning a 20% chance that we're going to get public water, we're still going to be uh you know, uh trying to get that. But but again, it's it's a
lower probability than than you know, having individual walls. And again, something important. Each well is going to basically cover 60,000 square ft of flat. So it's going to be, you know, even though it's a lot of
wells, however, it's a big area. We're talking about 238 acres. So there is going to be enough rainfall that eventually with time it the water will get back to the aquifers and stuff like that.
Okay. Hang on. Any Chris, you good? Yeah, you're good. Go ahead. Um, so I I I appreciate the pictures you showed of like the the housing that you've built in other developments, right? The one thing picture I would like to see is, you know, what does a
wastewater treatment facility look like? I see I know what labar looks like but you know what does bridge water will look like or conceptually what this might look like because I think people would want to understand probably that's the one element that a lot of people will get hung up on u with traffic and
water being the other ones those are my priorities but what does it look like how big what's the noise level what's the potential smell like all that information I I hope you're going to share so so what you see here is actually the leeching field. This is
going to be all underground. It's basically what even though you see, you know, the darkened rectangle, that's going to be the leeching field. So, it's going to be long. Yep. The treatment plant is probably going to be on the side of this and usually those are tanks that are underground except for a shed
that and and and a generator that's going to be next to the shed. It's not going to look any different than the one that we have in in uh the baron. Okay. Uh as far as um you know what what Jason was saying is that we moved the
treatment plant so that it's 500 ft from the closest neighbor is 300 ft. This is to their property line not to where their house is. So it's really far from any houses. Now if uh you know the system itself um you know treats uh
treats the water basically gets it to drinking water quality and then puts it back into the ground. Uh you know there shouldn't be any smell. uh you know if you're standing immediately on top of the system you know you might be able to smell
something even though at at uh you know theoretically it shouldn't but there is going to be a small smell immediately above the system and noise do you know noise it's going to be very limited you have pumps
underground that are running uh you know that that some of them you know will pump chemicals into the system into the treatment but all the houses are far enough that they should not be hearing the noise. It's really fans running and pumps you
know so there is some some noise immediately around the system but you know you you go 50 60 ft 100 ft away from the system you shouldn't be able to to hear anything. Thank you. Yes sir.
Anybody else? Good. Now, uh the original uh plans called for over 55 senior housing. Uh is that going to be incorporated into this plan or we're not planning on it?
[Music] um you know something you would consider planning on potentially. Can I get back to you on this one? I'll take that as a possible. Yes, but not
but not definitive. Not I mean I I'd like to think about it because if if let me give it some thought. Okay. And and uh let's rephrase that. The answer isn't no. No, it's not. No,
definitely it's not. Okay. No, you can ask. It's always going to be 25%. So, go ahead. Yeah, just to confirm. Um I didn't hear it, so I'll ask. Um what's the Are there afford affordable units within the development?
What's percentage? The the uh percentage of affordable homes is going to be 25%. So out of the 176, can somebody do quick math?
Uh 44 40 44 44 units are going to be affordable. And those in today's um uh calculations they usually sell for around 250 to 260,000
and do you have them already marked identified as which units are going to be affordable yet? We we have not done that yet. But technically, not not technically, we're we're obligated to spread them around the community. They have to be spread out. They cannot be
clustered in one location, right? And uh mass housing will actually have uh mass housing will have uh they take a look at those h at where we we propose them and sometimes they come back to us
with some changes. Uh but they should be spread out. No two units should be next to each other. They're usually spread out through the community. Next meeting, next meeting we can propose something um you know that shows where we're
proposing the the 25%. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Uh I just quick question. Do you have any kind of estimate on um the amount of school age children that would come in to this community? I have to interject and you
more than h you can you can answer that but for the record we don't we can't take that into consideration from a permitting standpoint. So um but feel free to answer if you'd like. I mean the closest thing the closest
answer I can give you is if we look at the 77 uh houses that we have uh um in Learan I would think there is around 30 kids but we can verify that number we
can contact the school system and find out the exact number uh that today go from from uh Lebaran to the school system. Now, something to mention too is that even though it it doesn't enter
into the calculations of 4B and stuff like that, the the number of pupils in the Lakeville Freetown school system has been dropping over time. The the number of students in the uh Freetown Lakeville Freetown school system has been dropping
and it's down 10% in the last 20 years. So, and that's a trend that's that's happening statewide. Uh, as less and less people are having more children, you know, and the average household now has like
2.7 residents. So, you would think around nu uh statewide it's around.7 children per house n on a on a on on a state level. However, our experience in
Lakeville, it's much less than that. Okay, Phil, let's let's stay off of the the kids the kids topic. When we presented information previously in the 74 single family units that were occupied, there were 15 students, right?
All right. Any other questions outside of children? Okay. At this point, uh, does anyone from the public have any comments? If you do, to say hi, come on up. What I'm going to ask you to do is just
make that mic right there for everyone's edification. That is just for late cam. So, you're going to turn around and you can be heard. Um, Jose, I'm I'm good with it. Hey, ask the question to the board. I can repeat it back. Um, rather than having the mic get all over the place here. State your name and your
address for the record, sir. Hank Vanlar Hovind, 165 County Street. Okay. Comment or question? It's not a question. My barn burnt down in February. The Lakeville Fire Department
did a great job. They pulled in five towns for water to put the water to put the fire out. Your plans are nowhere near enough for all the houses and all what you're building there.
Thank you. Anyone else? Mary Jean Liberatory, 32 Freetown Street. Just a broad question about how affordable
housing looks from the state's perspective. on this piece of land. 25% of homes that are in the $250,000 range is considered affordable
housing. Is that accurate? Yes. The and and the short answer to that is yes, it's accurate. And basically, it's a formula that's based on the medium income of a certain area of the state and they take a percentage of that. So that's what that number comes up with. They don't make it up themselves. the
state dictates this is what the cost should be. The other factor is those houses um to the petitioner's point, they need to be intermingled within all of the other houses in the in the development and they need to look very similar to the other houses in the development. So it's not going to be
like you're going to have a house that looks like it only costs 250,000 to build, which honestly I don't think you can build a house for 250,000 today. So it's going to look like the whatever the price point is on the other homes that the developer is going to to make. So the state dictates that that formula and
that number. Okay. Just to clarify, I don't think anybody I'm speaking for other people and if I'm wrong, they'll let me know. I don't think any of us from the beginning have objected to the concept of affordable housing. That has
never been an issue. It's not the appearance of the home. It's the volume of the homes. The number. It sounds like you've reduced the number by 34 and math is not my subject from the original
proposal. You've given us some more open space, 55 acres of wetlands, some other open space areas. I have a question for the engineer. I was at the meeting um when
Brandon Faniff from ecosystems um disputed the number of vernal pools that were presented by Goddard um which was the original engineer if I'm correct. Now we have a different
engineering company. Is that accurate or no? Exc Hang on Jason. Hang on. So are are you talking about the um conservation commission's here? Yes. Yes. I'm talking about the peer review, right, hired by the conservation
commission to review the property and part of the review focused on the land which we are very concerned about. A portion of that investigation was the number of vernal
pools, the active uh stream, the little cedar stream that travels to a protected great cedar swamp area, the fact that the land itself is largely bedrock with
huge numbers of outcroppings. in fact the largest portion the largest density in the state of Massachusetts. And my question for the engineer is why is there a discrepancy between the peer
review and at what point was I think I heard the engineer say that the conservation commission has approved this uh your report in regards to two vernal pools. Am I correct in
that assumpt that what I heard tonight? It's difficult to hear. Yeah. So, hang on, Jason. Um, so it is under the conservation commission's perview. What I will do is I'll ask Jason to confirm that it's been approved. We don't have the approval in hand yet. But what I
also will do in addition to that is ask for the conservation commission to provide us commentary on your question because they're the ones who really need to clarify that. Our job here is to make sure that the conservation commission sends us over it's approved or orders of conditions or or whatnot. It's not our
it's not in our purview or our job to turn around and actually do concom's job. But it's a very fair question and if you want to know why they made a decision, I'm more than happy to reach out and say we have a question we need clarification on. Yeah. I just wanted to know if it happened and and how it it
changed. And the reason is from my perspective, vernal pools are water. Water is probably one of the primary issues and concerns that residents on Freetown Street has have. Right. So,
we'll get all the the backstory for you when we confirm that with Concom, but Jason, can you confirm has conservation approved this at this point? Yes, they used it in ORAD in January where they approved the wetland line and uh there's four vernal pools on the property. Um Goddard Consulting is a wetland um
consulting firm that is part of the old design team. Um they weren't replaced, they're still part of the team. Um and they presented all the uh their findings to the conservation commission who hired Brandon Fenu as their outside consultant to review and they had a number of it
went on for months of back and forth on on we made a number of changes um because we we made the changes to the plan that uh that were done. um to the plan based on that and in the end they all agreed on where the wetland delineation was uh and on the four
vernal pools um there's an intermittent stream in the wetland area up there um um so they all agreed on that and then conservation issued an um resource area delineation approval okay I may
have misheard from our from my seating it sounded like you said two vernal pools so my apology Yeah. Um, okay. If I may, Mr. Chairman, uh, the the vernal pools are marked in dark spots. So, this
is one of them. There's another one over here. There is uh this uh I can see there's they're actually darker areas and you can see where the vernal pools are and we're far from them. We're not we're not close to
them. uh and the the the the uh stream that runs to the cedar swamp is actually goes through this area and we're not proposing any construction in this area. But to confirm what Jason said, the wetland line was approved by
the conservation commission. They made some changes to the line that we uh proposed. uh they had their scientist go out there and he questioned uh three or four areas that we actually modified our
plan based on what what they would like us to do. Okay. Thank you. Um the the answer about not being able to state how the aquifer is going to react to the
building on these hundreds of acres. Um, are there plans for test well sites to be done? Is that part of a developments procedure? Um, and what
about as loud as I can. My [Music] apologies. My my question was whether test well science will be done since the
health agent of our town, Mr. Tom and most other people knowledge that water will find its way. But nobody knows which way it's going to go. Nor do we
know what a flow rate is of water underground. Nor can we predict what will happen to our wellwater with no guarantees I understand from the builder in regards
to if you're able to successfully get your community done. Congratulations. But what happens to us if in the process of developing your plan
inadvertently you impact our community which is already established. How will that be handled? It's my question. We we can only ask them to provide any data that's available. Um I'm I don't think we have
the ability. I will check with town council to see if there's anything we can do to make sure that they can test to see what the impacts are. Again, one of our board members brought it up. So, we will make sure we press the issue and whatever legal opportunity we have to
confirm that we will. So, do you have other questions or I want to make sure everyone has a chance to I don't. Okay. I can see the plural. [Music] Let's see. Michelle Belliard, Little Farm Road.
All right, sounds good. Um, would it be possible for future meetings to have the um the layout colorcoded to show wetlands, uplands,
um, and also adjacent owned property? so that we can have an understanding of what the landscape is. So, what's going to end up happening is we're going to have they're going to first of all, we need to and I don't think we're going to do it tonight. I think the board's going to want to take an opportunity to digest
everything that's said in the conceptual plans that they put in front of us. and we will turn around and they will give us engineered plans back which we will have our peer um our peer engineer uh review and and go over. So they're going
to confirm anything and everything that needs to be confirmed. I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for out of having plans colorcoded to your specifications. Is there anything in particular or just a better I I assume you'll review the
plans, but it was more about for the community. It was brought in to have an understanding of what's what because it's not clear just from the black and white. What's not clear? What sections or wetlands, what se, you know, where the vernal pools are, um any additional property that's
owned by Mr. For for example, I see a cutout um in the top. I see a cutout and I assume that that's for an access road um for future phases, but it would be nice to know if that was the intent. So again, these are
conceptual. I think once we get the full engineered plans, they're going to be a little they're going to be a lot more specific and they're going to call out exactly what you're looking for. I'm not so sure color coding it is in our purview to to tell a developer to do. Um but you stated it for the record and and
they have it. If they want to do it, they can help them. Yep. Okay. Um so this is a a 40B development because we're not meeting our affordable units currently. Correct. Um,
so is there a timetable for when the affordable units are built and therefore count towards our our town's aotment like or will those be you know based at the very end for example?
So well when they initially when they're permitted they count then they have to turn around and build within a certain amount of time. If they don't, they come off and then once the permits start getting pulled, they they start counting towards our numbers. Are you saying are they
going to frontend load all the market rate and then wait till the end to do the I guess what's the point of the question so we can Sure. Sure. So, but the point of the question is I I may be going off of bad information, but I heard somewhere that the affordable
units in Lebaron haven't been built. I don't know if that's true or not, but I was curious if there was a a plan for when those units from this development will count towards our well our total count because that's the whole point of you know 40B is to get affordable units.
Correct. So I'm going to ask for uh them to comment for a second on if there are 40B units in Learon which I know there are. I don't know the exact number. Um I'll comment on that first please. Yeah uh Mr. Mr. Chairman, uh
uh uh to start with Lebaron because I've I've heard that too. Today 25% of the units in Lebanon are affordable. Uh so so it meets the 25% requirement and what we're proposing
phase number six that will have 25% of the units that are going to be affordable. As far as how we're going to be building the affordables and the market rates, usually the town would require for every three market rates that we
build, we build an affordable one. And and it makes sense because if you're you know, we probably will not be building all the roads right away. So we will be building let's say 30% of the roadway system and then start building the
houses and it doesn't make sense to leave lots empty for later to to put the affordables. Usually the towns monitor those things and they make sure that for every three building permits for afford for market rates there is one uh
affordable that gets built and and usually that's done from the building commission. I think to clarify, they don't they can't they can't backload them. They can't say we're going to build all the U market rate and then save it till the end. Again, keep in mind they have to be interdispersed. You can't turn around and say if we have 40
affordable units, they're all going to be in one neighborhood. They have to, you know, they have to be next door to market rates. So, no, that the answer makes sense. That's what I would have expected. Yeah. Okay. Um, how many years do you foresee the development taking to
fully build? Um I believe in the in we we in the last meetings we committed that we're going to phase out the the community to not build more than 30 houses a year. So you know take
basically it's going to be a 5year Mohammed can you clarify how many units? So around 30 a year and we already committed that we will not build more than 30 a year to allow the town to have the absorption.
Okay. 33. Um, can you comment on the purpose of that gap where there's no plot? Uh, we're we're leaving it for future access.
I guess we're talking. Yeah. Uh, so the last is not a question. It's more comments, anecdotal well information. So, so my home is in the top left area. Um, and I know that my neighbor uh couldn't support a well, sorry, couldn't
support irrigation for his lawn, which is something he wanted on the well. So, they had to drill a second well. Um, and when that happened, the neighborhood had brown muddy water for like a few weeks from that well drilling process. Um, so
just anecdotal information on mobile wells. So, that's all. You can just you can actually you might as well leave it on because the next person's going to want to use it. So, do we have any other comments? I just have a quick question about the treatment.
Come on up. Ralph Laboratory 32 Street. Um when the conser hold it up because they're not going to be able to hear you. I can hear you, but they can't hear you. When the conservation commission put down an overlay where the where the
treatment plant is, they showed the the it the circumference of the school, the high school well was really close to that area. And if you look when you come down Freetown Street, the stream, the one of the really active streams is right there. What happens when they
treat the the waste? Where does it go? Did I hear somebody say somewhere? You can answer that that they're going to answer that. Yeah. So once once the um sewer gets treated the water that comes
out of the system recharges into the ground just like any other leeching shield. However, the water that goes into the ground it's treated. It's treated to the extent where it becomes drinking water quality. So it's just going to go back into the ground.
Is there a standard where before you release it? I'm having trouble hearing. Yeah, there is a standard. D monitors it uh on a daily basis. We usually we will have an operator uh coming in every day. They take samples of the water. They
have observation walls around the site. They take sample water samples uh once every week uh or once every month depending what D requires and that get tested to make sure that the water around the system is clean and there is
no contamination to the water table. Okay. Yeah. Just for the for the record D has oversight on this. Um if we wanted to interject ourselves and and in and overrule D, it's it's literally impossible for us to do that. So, um,
they have oversight and they they make sure that to your point, any of that that's going into the ground isn't going to contaminate anyone's well or drinking water supply. Um, is it true that there's is it true that there's an alarm that goes off at learing from their treatment plant? I've
read that somewhere. I don't know if it's true or not. Could you repeat that? Is there an alarm that goes off on at the treatment plant at Levarian? There were people online complaining that it's going off all the time. He's doing the alarm. So I think sir, I think your
question is I know you want to know about Learon, but your concern and I'm sure everyone's concern is how is this and one of our board members brought it up. How is this treatment plant going to operate? Is it going to have noises? Is it going to have alarms? Is it going to look ugly? Is it going to smell? If you if if the petitioner could make sure
they incorporate into their plans and into one of the next meetings something that can rest us assured that how this is going to operate. I mean, you know, you you tell us it's a shed. I've seen them. I know it is a shed, but maybe a photo of what it's going to look like would be
helpful. I mean, it's these things are a lot more easily understood for folks if you can visually see what it is. If you can turn around and explain there's an alarm, but it does go off, but it goes off if there's a problem. and you know the the likelihood of that happening or statistically any of the other developments you have they go off this
often or whatnot. So the more information you can give to us so that the community knows I think it'll put people's minds more at ease. Is that kind of what you're getting? Waste product in the ground. Where does the waste disappear? Come on up and ask your
question. We're going to learn all about treatment facilities tonight. My name is Mike Pigeon. I'm on three Sears Island Drive. Okay. I was curious where does the waste product go? I know the treated water goes into the ground. That makes sense. But the waste product doesn't disappear. Where does that go? Go ahead.
Uh yeah. Uh typically what happens it operates exactly like uh a septic system. The solids stay in a big tank and it gets pumped once a month or once every two weeks depending on the use and how much volume is going into the tank. That was what I wanted to know. How
often it has to pump. That's correct. And those are so when it gets pumped like when we have mine pumped it's the whole neighborhood smells. Is that a monthly thing they're gonna have pumping that and you get that odor? Why don't we make sure we incorporate that into when we talk about the system how often it gets pumped so you guys Yeah. I mean
it's it's oversimplifying it but but everyone listen has a septic. It's basically a big septic for everyone. And to your point though is this going to happen once a week once every two weeks cuz if it smells for a day. Yeah. When you have your septic pump you come home you know it was pumped that day. My other question was this first gentleman.
How do you you have a fire there? That many homes, no fire hydrants. How are you going to put that fire in? So we do town water, you could put hydrants in. If you did a community well, you could put hydrants in to tap into the
the fire department. The fire chief specifically has to review the plans and has to comment whether he thinks it's a danger that they're not going to be able to That would be a main concern of mine. How do you put the fire? Again, we we We make sure the fire chief reviews that and gives us his comments and if for any reason he feels that it's unsafe um to a
degree that it's that unsafe. Um he'll send that letter and they either need to figure out a way to correct it or that's probably one of the few things we can we can tell them no for if it's if it's a life life and death um yeah that would be situation. All right. Okay. Thank you John. Yes. So a lot of times when
there's no um public water supply available so you can have hydrants uh we design fire systems. So it's underground tanks that if there's a fire that can be pumped out of um those would be um dispersed through the community you know based on fire department where they would like
them to to be able to access all the houses. My guess is whatever Chief O'Brien tells you you need to do to comply and make it safe as possible you're going to comply. So absolutely. We just did uh recently a conventional subdivision in Lakeville. Um and then in instead of doing a fire system um they
required um home sprinkler systems that come off the well and have their own. Um so that's you know depends on what the fire department wants. Right. Thanks Debbie Boyin 14 Road. I have a question. Um, uh, Devony, you're going to have the
mic on the the stand. Pick that one. Sorry. Do I need to repeat my name? Devony, I know who you are. Okay. All right. Have you considered buying water from New Medford?
So, part of his first answer was, which we couldn't do. That's all right. No, part of his first answer was yet. The question was, have they considered buying water from New Bedford? They are still investigating that. It may not happen. So that's why they're they're going to propose the wells. But if they can cut a deal where they can get a
water line in there from New Bedford, that is an option for them still. Okay? Because all of us who live with wells try to conserve our water so we don't lose our wells. and the thought of having so many people that are in
apartments or or just this many people in such a dense area. Um what is that going to do to the aquifer? And I know that's a concern for a lot of people. But another concern I have is what about blasting?
There's a lot of ledge there as far as damage to our basins. So if you want to comment on that, would you plan on blasting? And if so, what precautions will you take and what not? Yeah. Uh uh Mr. Chairman, uh the the way
um most likely you're right, your observation is right. There is going to be some ledge. There is going to be some blasting. Typically, the way it works, the blasting company is a licensed company. Muhammad, you're going to have to hold it closer to you. Yes. Most likely, we're going to be encountering
some ledge uh when we're running our sewer line. The company that's doing the blasting usually look at the houses that are close by and they do a survey. They actually connect with the people that
are close to the blasting site. Uh I think the regulation says any house within 250 ft has to be surveyed before any blasting is done. So in case any homeowner
uh had any damage after the blasting then their insurance company will step in and fix any damage to any house that was caused by any blasting. So what they do is that they contact every homeowner that's within 250 ft radius of the
blasting and and those are state regulations. We did not come up with it 200 250 ft. And then they ask the homeowners that they can go and videotape the house. So they videotape the outside, the inside depending if the
homeowner allows them to do that. And then if there is any damage uh because of the blasting, the the company that does the blasting will be responsible to repair any damage to neighbors and those that and those that live 300 ft. Right.
I I think the regulation Yeah. So, they're going to comply with the regulation, but in addition to that, again, it's kind of like the water thing. Anything you can bring to the meeting, you know, this is what I'm looking for right now. I need to know everyone's concerns within reason, obviously, everyone's concerns so that
the petitioner knows what they need to answer and what they need to bring back to subsequent meetings. Okay? Cuz if we keep saying the same question over and over again, and I don't mind it, but we're not going to get the full answer right now. We're going to give them some information that we want back. This is one of those things. and we're going to
have them come back with the explanation. So, okay. Thank you. Other questions? She's coming up and then hang on, John. Come on up. One second. You got to let her
go. I'll try try not to repeat myself or everybody else. Uh Cora Pur, I represent the Naragansa Indian tribes. I'm the deputy tippo, the tribal historic preservation officer. Um, we have a tremendous amount of concerns about this
property. Um, as I've spoken earlier, um, at the last meeting, um, I was not allowed to bring up the archaeological review, which was really not a review. Betina Washington from Aquina attempted to come in via 140 and there was too
many briars and uh, she couldn't get in. Um the archaeologist from PAL uh was able to do a walk over. A walk over when you're not being guided by someone that's familiar with the property is kind of pointless. Um which is what
happened in Freetown. Um on that particular site, um we were brought in literally the last three days of a a fourmonth uh survey that was done. and uh they wish that they'd brought us in at the very beginning. So I would like
to be included on the future archaeology uh review of the site. Um my concern is several is that we are going from 200 units to 176 and our bedrooms. If we're
having 176 single family homes with three bedrooms, my math says that that's 528 bedrooms, not 420. Um, so I'm concerned about how many bedrooms we actually have um that are
going to be needing a shower every day. um that are going to be going into the sewer treatment um plant that's going to have a leeching field that is surrounded by the main watershed um that that feeds into Long Pond as
well as being part of the wellhead protected area that serves our school for our children. Um so those are some of the concerns that I have um on on top of it. And I think it's again I need to to
stress is that you know when I'm told that there's 152 acres of open space and yet I'm hearing about a potential phase three someday down the road when none of us are here. I'm concerned that open space is just a catchall phrase. Um I
don't want to think that I'm I'm saving something that can be destroyed five years when I'm not at the table. So those are just my concerns. Can I ask for a point of clarification from uh the petitioner, the applicant? So the open space that is designated open space in
this project that is particular to this project and it is not going to be tied into an additional project down the road. You can't say we have 152 left. Oh, and now that 152 are going to develop. The other parcels that are not owned by this project but are available
are not included in that 152. That's outside of it. Correct. That's correct, Mr. Chairman. What happens is that the open space will either go to the homeowners association that will be managing the site or we can donate it to the conservation commission in town.
Usually conservation commissions, some towns would like to take that land. uh other towns would like to keep it in the homeowners association where they can still tax it but it becomes open space designated at open as open space where
as a conservation open space so it can never be disturbed so bottom line to clarify it doesn't stay in your possession it either goes to the town or it goes to the homeowners that's correct okay uh um can I just ask one question you you had said our previous proposal
which I believe is in the same footprint um was 148 acres and now you're doing 238 12 acres um with 176 plots um and yet a number of the areas where there
were vernal pools I know that you you had identified four but there were an additional six that were identified by the town's um expert. So is it 10? Is it four? And why do we have leeching fields
so close to or or retaining ponds, drainage ditches, whatever they want to call them in the so close to the wet existing wetlands. These wetlands are vital to the health of Long Pond. Um it's if you you know everybody uses the
same kind of laundry soap that has plastics in it. It's going into Long Pond. So let's wait for the final final engineered plans. Again, these are conceptual and then we'll see where everything lands. And as far as the vernal pools go, again, like I said before, I'm going to reach out to Concom
to provide some narrative, a background on how many vernal pools there are in their approval process. Okay. And will the new plan be online since it wasn't hand? We will make sure it's accessible to the public and I'm sure if we ask them to put it online like they've done in the past, they will do that for us.
Thank you, sir. You had your hand raised. And then John, in a second. Yep. Come on up. You got to come up to the mic. Sorry, we make Sorry, we make you work if you want to get hurt. Hank Van Larhovven, 165 County Street. Can we meet in another room? The acoustics are
very bad. Here's the good news. I think um as long as it's we may have to meet here one more time. Again, the problem folks, just so you know, I can't change where we meet on the fly. We need to do this because of state mandate as to how meeting laws are posted. We need to book
rooms way out. So if I turned around tonight and said, "Listen, you know what? We don't have 200 people here. This looks good. We can go back to the library. We have more than enough room for who showed up tonight." The problem is I don't know if the library is available right now. And when we continue this meeting, not only do I need to pick the date and time, I need
to pick the exact location because if I don't pick the exact location, I get in trouble. The town gets in a in a tough spot. And honestly, nothing against those guys over there, but if we do pick the wrong spot, we give them an opportunity to say, "You guys screwed up, so we're going to do what we want to do." I don't think anybody in here wants that. Anybody want that? No. No. Okay.
So, my trust me, if I have my way, we may be here one more time and then we can go back to the library and everyone can hear what's going on. So, thank you. Trust me, this is if you think this isn't fun for you, this is not a blast for me trying to do this. So, well, you I'll let you work on that
problem. John, come on up. You can You're going to come up in a second. He's been waiting though. John Gregory 8 Barelli Road. Hang on. Start again and put the mic up. John Gregory 8 Barelli Road. Good. You You own two
parcels. Uh 03512A and also [Music] 034203. First parcel has access to Howland Road. Second parcel has access to county here. It may not be on that
map, but I'd like to ask you to consider not having the only access on Freetown Street. Maybe keep one of those, but now have two other access points. One north on the county and one south on the Howland. Thank you.
Your qu your your point is noted. And I I'm I know that's not the first time they've heard that request. So, come on up, sir. Barry Evans, 163 Freetown Street. I heard something at the Barry, you're going to have to put the mic up or they're all going to get angry at you. Um Barry Evans Freetown Street. Uh I
heard at the beginning there's going to be no new traffic study and we're going off the old one. Correct. So after that traffic study that basically failed with the D, the board said you
had the right to put some restrictions on the building of the community if they couldn't improve that. Do you still have that right now that there's a new plan with the old traffic study to still put restrictions
on whether or not they can build if they can't improve the traffic? I honestly do not believe we do because the plan hasn't changed that much. Um the number of houses is down again, the number of bedrooms is up, but I don't think it's changed significantly enough. But I can promise you this. I
will check with town council and if they say we have the opportunity because something's changed at drastically enough to bring in a new traffic study, we have no problem asking for a new traffic study because if it's if we're saying we're even the the units are down but the
bedrooms are up. So the cars are probably the same if not up. But they failed first study. you're saying that they couldn't move the cars along Freetown Street to county and they came back with a proposal to add a lane that
I made a case for that it wasn't going to help because two buses could totally disrupt that whole new plan. It wasn't going to help. They were going to go to the state and ask them if they could change that intersection. Is that still something they have to do to move
forward? The conditions that were put in place earlier are still the same conditions to answer your question. Question. Thank good. All right. Wait a minute. You've been up here once. We're going to let her come up, then you can come up and wrap it up.
Don't forget to grab the mic. Hi, Terry Agamoto, 27 Freetown Street. Um, speaking of traffic studies, you had a plan on the table where you would enlarge Freetown Street to make room for the traffic and maybe add another lane or there was a plan down at Freetown and
County. Just I know I have a well very close to the street and I think some other people do too. So, I didn't know how that would affect our wells. Is that Well, there's going to be I can tell you this and Jason can correct me if I'm wrong. There's going to have to be engineering done on any of those
types of improvements. And if it engineering shows that it's going to affect wells or it's going to do anything, there'll have to be mitigation. They'll either have to change the plan or they'll have to do something to make sure your well is okay. We don't have to go through the rigomearroll of having a new well or anything like that or No, it's a little
it's inconvenient. I mean, you know, I have to say that it's causing a lot of inconvenience for a lot of the residents. So we have I have concerns about that and also the uh wastewater treatment plant. What happens? What goes wrong? What if something goes wrong? I
mean you have a backup system or we have to go without water or you know I don't want my property condemned or something because we have no water. It's a big concern. Are you talking about the drilling of wells and how that's going to you know the treatment drainage going
in if something say there's a backup. I really don't I don't know how it works, but you know, if something should back up or there's it doesn't something goes wrong, I mean, are we affected as residents? So, it's a concern for me. So, I'd like to um and we've asked them
to incorporate that into their responses at the next meetings. Very cool. Thank you. Anyone else or All right, you're going to close it out for us, right? All right. famous last words. I'm sorry for that.
Liberatory Freetown Street. I'm just trying to understand that confirm the process. So a um permit cannot be given to the applicant until a formal engineering claim that
includes um what a typical engineering plan. Let me make this simple for you because I'm going to wrap up by explaining explaining the process. Yes. Okay. Yes. Right. So to your point, that engineering plan, there are standards
obviously that they're going to need to incorporate, but the short the short answer is that engineering plan is going to include everything that we need to know to make ourselves comfortable before we potentially approve the permit or not approve the permit if the engineering plans don't make sense to
us. So there's no we need exactly this, this, and this. We can ask them to keep going back and getting whatever we need in order so we feel comfortable to understand what they're going to do. So, you got to come on up. Sorry, because then no one at home is
going to be able to hear you and I'm going to hear that you didn't bring her up there. So, sorry. Um, if you approve it and or don't approve it, it still has to go through the state. The state will approve it. Right. A 40B. We are very
limited on on how we can not approve something. If we approve something that we really should have approved, you are correct. they can appeal to the state and as Amy Quessle, Town Council, who isn't here tonight, will be here at the next meeting, um, has, I think, said on multiple occasions, whether it's this
hearing or other hearings we've had with 40B. It's it's a very fine line as to what we can say no to. It really has to come down to almost being a a life safety issue. It can't be about what if this happens, what if that happens, it's going to be more kids in the school. We don't like the traffic flow. It's it's
got to come down. There's really no way that we could not have this go through as a 408. I'm not going to say there's no way cuz that's that's that's a pretty definitive, but there's there's it's almost impossible. So, but what we
but what we need to do and what we're here to do is talk about the concerns and mitigate them as much as we can. That's really what our role is. Unless we find listen, if you put this in, people are going to start dying type of a deal. It's just not going to work. The state overturns them all the time. I forget where it was honestly recently.
It's it was either Dover or Sherburn or something like that. That pick yours. They just they turned around and said no. And the state came back and said, "Sorry, they're building." And by the way, whatever you guys wanted to put in place, you don't get the you don't get a second bite at that apple. They just get to do whatever the state tells them they
can do. go. Believe me, whether you folks think we're not acting in your best interest or would love us just to say no, we're the only thing that stands between the developer doing exactly what they want, whatever the state allows them to do, and us trying to get some type of mitigation and trying to get
something um that's a little I don't even want to say palatable, but a little less offensive to the neighbors maybe. So, okay, having said that, we got one more question. One person, two questions. Thank you. Um, Steve, hold it a little
free time. Sorry about that. Um, first off, I want to thank you for acting on behalf of all of us out there. I know speaking for myself and probably for others, we're layman with a lot of this. There's a lot of terminology that's over our heads. Um, we need you as mediators. So, thank you for that. Um, two
concerns. One's anecdotal story about myself. Um, that pertains to the wellwater issue and then another one possible mitigation issue. Well, I live on 44 Freetown. Um the entrance that's on the curb and that is directly across from my street. So that's how close I am
to one of the entrances. Um how close I'll be the closest. Well, who knows? Um this year, not even 2 weeks ago, I have a very small inflatable pool in my backyard. It has leaked halfway out due to a hose rupture over the winter. About 2,000 gallons of water. I have a well pump that pumps 5 gallons per minute.
Um, I don't I'm not an ego scientist, but I'm well verssed in hydronic systems for housing, plumbing, things of that nature. Um, that should have recuperated pumping out of my well in about 6 and 1/2 to 7 hours at that 5 gallons a minute. After 4 hours, um, I was down to
less than a gallon and a half a minute due to cavitation issues because even with all the rain, um, my well being about 125 ft deep was incapable of supplying that volume of water in that time period. And that's just me. um one house. So, do I know what aquifer is over there? I certainly do not. I don't
think anyone here could possibly say with any certainty whether or not my aquifer is tied into anything on the other side of Freetown Street or even the Ninstar neighbors. Um I'm just hoping for sufficient studies or possible mitigation um or a statement or
something from the developer saying should there be issues with the wells, which you know I really hope there is not. Um what could we do for those residents? Will there be a cost incurred if I have to have my well drilled to 400 ft 25 and there's ledge there? What would that cost me or any other
residents? Um I know even you know we're not in a drought right now and just me one person 2,000 gallons in one day drew that down to the point where it was cavitating the pump and I had almost zero water pressure and you know down three-fold in flow. Um you take that
2,000 gallons obviously you said around 40,000 would be the projected usage for that development. If it is from the same aquifer, are we going to have issues? Are those wells going to be deeper where those will not have issues and mine will because it's a shallower well. It's been existing for 30 years. Um those are
issues I would hope that um are brought to the forefront. Second thing, I know a big one for me. I have two young children. They're going to be going like little schools. Um obviously living right down from the school. I know for I think the majority of residents here, I'm sorry about that. um some kind of
improvement to the lighting infrastructure sidewalk around Freetown Street would be huge in our minds as far as you know helping show good faith towards the community. Uh good faith from the developer side. I know Freetown Street, you know, speed limits 35 most
of the way down there. People are always doing 45 or 50 um a 5'6t wide sidewalk, you know, and I will let them do it in my front lawn. I know. Most people may not want it across their front lawn, but for me personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice 5 ft in um if the developer
picks up the diamond to put sidewalk in and you know um ambient street lighting down there so it's safe to walk to school. So, just a couple ideas and again, thank you. Thank you. All right. Do we have any follow-up comments or questions after public
comment from the board that they'd like to request or from the petitioners? Anybody? Nope. Okay. So, uh, at this point, as I had stated earlier, our next
meeting, um, can't change it at this point, is back here on June 16th, 6 o'clock. And what I would like for the petitioner to do in the meantime is um well first of all I guess we have the conceptual plans. I'm not going to put
any pressure on the board right now to decide tonight but I'd like this board to consider whether these are okay to go forward with and request full engineered plans which will probably take I'm assuming a couple of months so we can have our peerreview engineer uh look at
them. Um and please take into consideration a couple of notes that I have here. This is to the petitioner. Um blasting plan for that plan to put the m residents uh surrounding residents minds at ease or what the process is going to
be. Obviously I think you've heard enough about the well and the water issue. um whatever we can get to definitively let people know either a it's not going to impact you if there's any way to do that or b if there's any type of mitigation involved going
forward if if there are effects from it. Um as council had mentioned we our next step prior to this continuence process was an archaeological uh Native American presentation because obviously that is sensitive land. Uh, I'm going to suggest
that in the meantime, there's nothing that prevents us from hearing that at the at our next hearing on June 16th. So, if you could be prepared to have that presentation available um so we can hear that and hopefully by then we can let you know this board at least conceptually whether we think you
should go forward with bringing us plans for for that um for what you presented to us. Anything I forgot, guys? Anything else you guys want? Kathy, anything I forgot? I don't think so. Anything additional you need to add?
No, we did promise, as you suggested, to explore the um uh age restriction. Oh, I was going to remind you about that at the end. So, I figured you would um Okay. In any event, having said that, I will entertain a motion to continue this
hearing until June 16th, 6 p.m. at Lon Pond Lodge. And I promise if we don't have 200 people here, we will look for another form the following time which is much better acoustically for everyone. So I have a motion. I'm looking for a motion on the table to continue. Anyone?
I'll make a motion to continue to set date. Uh do we have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. And don't forget consider the 55 plus component. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you
everyone. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Thank you.