##VIDEO ID:nx2JU8WwtmA## [Music] well good evening everyone I'd like to call the select board meeting on Monday January 27th at 5:30 to order here at the Lakeville police station Lake cam is recording is there anybody here in the audience recording this evening no okay we could all rise please for pledge of allegiance I pledge to the United States of America and to the for it stands one nation God indivisible liy and justice for all thank you it's nice to see everybody tonight uh just a couple of things before we get to the the big event of the evening uh I just have a few select board announcements I'd like to go over our town clerk would like to notify by residents that nomination papers for the April 7th 2025 annual Town election are available at the town clerk's office by appointment only the last day to obtain papers is February 12th and the deadline to return them is February 14th so if you have been thinking about um running for a position um take a a moment and meet with our town clerk and uh love to see uh to see you uh papers can be pulled from the town clerk's office on normal business hours from 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Monday through Thursday and 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. on Friday you can give her a call at 508 94688 tomorrow Tuesday January 28th from 12: to 8:00 p.m. the town is holding a special Town election regarding the proposed construction of a new fire station voting takes place at Lon Pond Lodge at Ted Williams camp and as always we have a little fun fact here for us Lakeville once was the location of Camp Joe hooker a training camp for Massachusetts volunteer militia who were going o off to serve in the American Civil War it continued to be used as a training site and was active during World War I and in the 1920s the Golden Spur Speedway was built on the site and operated until 1975 a little fun back there um anybody else from the select board have anything they'd like to add Town Administrator okay uh thank you um just a few things I met with Mike Ellis the town accountant let's go over fiscal year 26 budget projection state aid numbers um State Aid's not great um I'm sure everyone knows um trying to work it out still obviously meeting with departments um I've reached out to several assessors um there's some interest from people um while the RFP process works its way through um this appointment would obviously have to be made by the board of assessors um I like to probably have it as an agenda item February 10th if possible um me Mike and Brian attended the Parks Commission meeting last Thursday night um we kind of went over the Enterprise accounting um feel we made some progress towards the resolution um um I assume it's going to be many one of many conversations it'll probably reach us at some point um I met with Lacy Marshall to go over the office reorganization plan um that will be presented to you all this week and it'll be discussed at February 10th select board meeting um met with Nate darling and Erica Korea to go over a few Town own tax title properties um there's a few kind of liability type houses that are falling down um those are the kind of houses we'd like to probably get rid of um through an auction process if possible but we'll bring that to you guys when the time comes to do that um and then the last one is budget reviews are starting this week we already in kind of interrogated Frank uh R today so he's the first victim Chief Perkins is uh 9:00 a.m. tomorrow so um it's a kind of a tough process but I think we'll get through it so that's all I have anybody else have anything for I did uh the FY 26 budget projections what did the 40s reimbursement come back as as compared to what we were expecting uh we were expecting somewhere between 675 to about 7 probably 75 came in at 246 so I would like to make a recommendation to the board that we reach out through Andrew to our local Representatives um and let them know how detrimental this is this is not what we signed up for back in 2001 um back in 2001 when we became part of it or 1999 and then finalized in 2001 we became part of it it wasn't talked about to be a shared pot it was just reimbursable money and then back probably 19 um 2019 Is 2020 then we realized it was a pot to be shared and there was some other communities um but they made a vow to keep us whole uh and they're not keeping that vow and I think we should have some really serious conversations about good faith um that we put in there because we've been adding these 40R um units with the expectation of getting $3,000 per year reimbursement um for students that are in those units luckily enough I've kind of cornered Senator Ru twice now just by Happ stance at different meetings and Gatherings he says he's going to try to do that but can't guarantee it until it Happ love it if we formalized it in a letter and sent it yeah yeah we can all sign up I agree yeah already reached out but it would be me too y yeah but we'll let them know we're really serious we're all together serious um Madam chair through you uh Andrew when you said a office reorganization plan what does that mean exactly people where their desks are no it would um so Christina kertis the assistant to the Town Administrator resigned last month I think it was December at some point um so it I'm kind of reimagining what that position will look like as well as probably a financial reorganization maybe a finance director it's kind of a sneak preview um and just kind of what the office will look like going into the new year okay not a huge not a huge thing okay right anybody else thank you and thank very much uh just uh quick minutes here U from January 6th everybody have a chance to take a look all right I I'll entertain a motion to approve the select board meeting minutes of January 6 2025 I'm sorry I did have one thing um on the continuation of the the public hearing about halfway down it says member Don who said they can still continue to operate their business I just want to make sure that that wasn't Mis construed as like me giving them permission to do so just as that I was making a comment that without any intervention they're continuing to operate their business okay great so I hear a motion to approve so moved second um motion and a second and second yes so further discussion okay uh roll please baby and I don I carbon I at this time I'd like to invite uh Chief Perkins up thank you very much good evening um an appointment tonight would uh bring us to full staff and as you can see we're pretty excited about uh our next appointed police officer it's uh it's something that we like to do you know welcome to the family uh this is actually welcome welcoming John back to the family uh John is a longtime Lakeville resident he's lived in Lakeville his entire life um he's you know for for some of us here we've known him when he was little he was a graduate of the D Camp when he was in Middle School with the police department so that was good uh John worked for us as a dispatcher from 2020 to 2023 and then uh he went to the Nantucket police department and became a police officer went to the police academy and uh now he wants to come home and serve the the citizens of his hometown and we're uh we're really excited to have him back and I I recommend him for appointment tonight fantastic welcome home thank all right so um I'll entertain a motion um to appoint John Hutchinson uh to the position of police officer Constable um effective January 27th 2025 for a probationary period of one year so moov second a motion in a second any discussion very happy to have you here awesome thank you happy to be home all right um well please Fabian I Johnny h i carbon I and I excellent looking over for Brian welcome home [Applause] than thank you I was going to say the first thing we do is make you go through the obstacles there thank you well this looks like a really good photo opportunity here you want to get in there pictures thank you very much for all coming out good to see you all good night know good stuff and the family congratulations everybody the room getug yeah that's nice yeah it is I love okay um at this time I'd like to invite our fire chief um fire chief O'Brien thank you up you doing all right good how are you good thank you I know a busy weekend yeah yeah a little bit so big week ahead too maybe I if you heard anything about it um so you're here um this evening to talk about a request uh regarding the Medics to join the Plymouth County Retirement I know this was on our previous agenda uh but we were looking for um some I guess some clarification so thank you for being with us tonight if you wouldn't mind just walking us through this that would be great okay and if you recall we added a new uh new type of employee was a EMS only provider and it was due to the lack of qualified firefighter paramedics and it gives us actually two forms of flexibility we can hire somebody that's very specialized in medicine we can now hire somebody that's very specialized in firefighting so it's it's given me some options as a as a manager uh hiring the best person versus um the the only person that we have available to us so it definitely allows us to be a little more selective in who we hire so as we navigate this because we're kind of the first in the county to have uh EMS only Personnel Within in the fire department um we're running into things that we didn't anticipate and one of them is is the pension group that they belong in and there's a specific um mass mass General law that uh requires you to direct where they go there are other communities in our County um Wham and Carver who have EMS agencies Standalone uh EMS Ambulance services that aren't connected with the fire department they have their own department heads both of those services have had to go through this process to have their paramedics and EMTs included in the group four pension system and but it's a stand loone system uh where we're going to be the first one that have EMS only employees within the fire department and um they were very specific about how the the resolution would have to be made um and the our our paramedics our two paramedics would be would become part of the group for pension system okay all right now all the information I I see had a chance to go through it um did anybody have any questions for the chief regarding this I have one yeah um when I it was brought to the meeting last time I was the one with a financial question about the financial impact I did see that the this position retires 5 years earlier than the other position so Financial impact would be the the payout for insurance and not anything else because the pensions are self-funded but it would be an earlier payout for insurance what you pay what do you mean by payout by Insurance well there're on our insurance retirees so yeah they would be taking it 5 years early so there would be an impact of five years insurance payments at to the tune of $116,000 a year additional yeah I'm not sure on the exact amount yeah for a family fund just yeah approximate so I just wanted to call that out as part of the budgeting process um if that's what we're doing because we are losing five years of possible service time but anything else I've got no more questions those are thoroughly answered within the documents okay anybody else I answer my question may I just add off of that is that a mandatory or can they continue to work it didn't look mandatory no it looked minimum minimum 55 yeah okay where the the others was 60 and they're both um brand new to the penion system so they have a long career ahead of them before we reach it's a problem for leld 30 years if I get 30 years of employee here A Dream okay so um I'll entertain a motion to adopt chapter 467 an act relative to the retirement benefits of emergency medical technicians paragraph G of subdivision 2 of Section 3 of chapter 3 two of the Massachusetts general laws as appearing in the 2006 official Edition amended and approved January 9th 2009 so moved second motion and a second could we make a minor correction to the motion um after chapter 467 so should say acts of 2008 oh okay chapter 467 acts of 2008 2008 you said right mhm all right motion amended so okay any further discussion any non roll please baby and i t i carbon I I all rightful thank you for your time apprciate thank you foring out Chief have a great night have a great tomorrow okay agenda item number seven um this is about our district local technical assistance which is also known as the DTA program funding request for calendar year 2025 our Southeastern well we call it serid but it's our southeastern regional planning and economic development District um you know puts together these technical assistance programs and um handed out to you this evening and I believe um Andrew had provided um this in an email um previously um that sometimes you know there's an opportunity here um in Lakeville to participate in some of these uh um you know these programs um on the page two if you just to kind of get an idea of it's this uh chart this will give you an idea of what some of the other communities that participate in St serid um are utilizing uh their dlta uh program for uh you know usually it's master plan or um you know housing production plans as you can see there some uh Regional resilience plan some folks use it for um Economic Development which I believe Andrew you were going to speak to this evening um and then there's usually an estimated cost and then an estimated match so as far as the funding is concerned we don't have to um you know vote to do anything um I think it's does it close January 30th 31st okay so we could vote to um pursue a particular opportunity um and then identify what the um funding impacts would be and then we can decide whether or not we want to move forward is that correct correct okay would you like to um so I think we've all I think the house production plan master plan those are all kind of like active documents the open space plan is kind of in its final barings so I'm just just looking at like the last like four or five years of just different communities I think the only thing we haven't really done is economic development study of any kind so we can be specific or as broad as I guess as we want so you could say North Lakeville you could say the industrial park you could say 105 I don't know what anyone stops but I didn't want to like pick a pick a location and go with it without consulting the board first I appreciate that too um I know that the economic I cuz I was pushing to make sure that we kept that committee um you know at least on the books until we could figure out you know what our next steps would be um you know they were pretty active when it was um you know first introduced and then it now it's been dormant for quite a few years um with really no Direction um and I know this board has talked uh numerous times about all the you know the housing that's coming into town uh where it becomes the burden of the taxpayers um but we really haven't had much you know commercial or business um to take away some of that pressure um I mean we drive around town I don't know about you guys but I'm always in my head trying to figure out where to find $500,000 worth of you know additional Revenue every year but um perhaps a study you know that we could you know do to look at our zoning to look at land that we have available um location infrastructure maybe it would be a benefit to see if this is something that you know would be able to help our town and identify some other you know revenue streams but staying in line with What the residents in in Lakeville want to see here for their R rural Town mam chair Leah might be thinking the same yeah I it's just one of the things residents have always said is we have the industrial park why don't we use it I've heard it's not full I I you know I'm not I don't know what full means but um this could be a good opportunity to investigate um the industrial park and see what would it take for us to actually generate some interest to getting businesses there because that would definitely help you know and I I've seen because I do tend to um you know in my spare time take a look at some of the other communities um and what their Economic Development committees do some are really really you know active and they work with their local businesses um especially if there's a vacancy um where they do a um you know they send information out saying that oh this you know this particular you know property is available for lease um to try to attract more business in town so there's a lot of Outreach going on some of those um for property that's already here um so maybe that would fall in line with something like that but I I really would like to see um you know a re visited charge to the economic development committee we do have people that are on that committee that are very interested in you know doing something Madam chair if I may the the problem that that the committee ran into and I think Leah you were on it and and I I know I followed it is every time they put out a study or survey people of Lakeville said the same three things they want a supermarket they don't want anything else um or or they want restaurants and supermarkets and that's that's pretty much what it is and it became a little bit difficult because the Avenues were kind of shut down um for any other development and I think that's shown itself in the last three years that the people of Lakeville don't want big development so I think any plan that we have has to be focused on the type of development that people want to see in town as opposed to blanket development but I agree uh with select board member uh Fabian about maximizing our industrial space um because an industrial property is worth you know 10 small businesses as far as tax revenue um and then finding places for people to work in town um I know a lot of people don't work in Lakeville because there's not a lot of jobs to be had so a lot of people would like to stay close to town but they don't have opportunities um love us to be able to narrow cast some of what we're looking at to vet out some of the stuff that we already know the people of Lille are not and you know I mean you can do so many surveys I mean you can do a survey every year and if it in the results of the same it sits on a shelf yeah so it's it's time to you know really you know do something with we know I think we know what the residents you know looking I think they've spoken loud and clear with the last couple of potential Warehouse things folks were like why are we going to put them in these places when we have an industrial park so I mean it would also be nice to your point when you first started Madam chair um we have other industrial areas around town but they're not necessarily the right location so it would be nice to know where um where the potential is is and then I think we all know pretty loud and clear where folks want to see stuff go so yeah um and we're getting to the point where we're desperate so we do need some economic development yeah um M chair through uh Andrew uh is this just one bite at the Apple or are you able to submit multiple I want to say it's just one okay um I think we I I want to say we can probably if it's more more than one um I would love you had mentioned something in one of your interviews that had been on my plan back in 2020 and I actually started um but they didn't have anything in 2020 the state had shut down and it was a permitting book for regular people um to get them through the process of doing anything in town because we had found that it was pretty cumbersome to navigate through all the systems um but Andrew had mentioned um you were part of getting yeah getting a permitting thing through so I think that's just something that is really great for when people are coming to town to just not have them you know sit in circles and and do all those type of things um and that would be another opportunity if they are able to submit more than one yeah yeah that would be great I mean I know we all because we're here and you know we've I guess we've been around the block with you know how work and internal jargon so we can navigate but for somebody that might not be y um that bur and yep you know this would be a a good opportunity for them yeah oh I would I would support that mhm right I mean I'm happy to see this too because to my knowledge and this is the end of my sixth year as a select board member I haven't seen this much information on the these on this actual program ever so um I I don't I don't know if it was Nancy dery that brought it forward or Andrew but whoever brought it forward I'm really happy to see it usually um just in the past um I think it's it's always gone through the town administrator's office Ser it's always you know reached out and you know said that these are you know up and coming um cuz I know as your representative or commissioner on surfit I would always touch B with the Town Administrator to make sure that they knew that you know the yeah but it wasn't it wasn't like this right it like here here yeah so this is we're going to take advantage of and that's the hard part about grants and programs it's like you have to know about them and you know so um you know and I got you know just on this now um serf is such a huge resource for for our community um and all the communities that it Services um down in this area um I would invite um you know all the members to at least sit through one of the commissioner meetings um you know it's the third Wednesday of every month um I'd be happy to send that um invite out just sit and you know just see what it's all about did you they're they're on Virtual this time so MH do we need to vote on these no I just I don't think just gave you direction direction yeah it works okay so I think you just kind of do like a letter of interest not a letter but like an interest and they kind of like work it through the system so okay and then um you know I'm sure that they'll be able to wrap you know some kind of a cost around you know what that initiative would be and then right just let us know you know if there's a match or yep definitely definitely my question on the match is are we able to use administrative fees from our own people that will be using as part of our match when we're saying there's a match cuz we're having administrative fees like this would most likely be Nancy yeah luckily she's done this a million times so she'll be able to tell you but yeah when they put the hours uh you know what's going in there if you put the hours as part of our match it always look better um I don't know if everybody's had a chance to meet Nancy um Nancy dery our new planner but um I just realized that we didn't put her put her introduction on the the agenda uh I invited her tonight but she was getting R Canal so we can meet her which meeting I think okay yeah so I can invite her next time okay that would be great yeah actually um I've been working with Nancy on the APC stuff for a while because she was there representing her former town so um you know we can I'm the the Lea is on and Nancy Yates is the actual person appointed but um we can bring it up when the time comes but I think it's very beneficial to have Nancy still attend those meetings because she's super knowledgeable and everything so just point of information for going down the road y excellent yep okay agenda item number eight I know um we did have a request for a flip so when we going on different agenda items but we still haven't gotten that yet but I totally forgot was I in charge of that I think so I think I was yeah okay um we could probably get one from the volleyball um all right yeah I I'll look for that I promise so um this is our town clerk um looking to revise uh the available positions for the annual election um which is taking place April 7th so at our previous meeting or the one before that we voted all the um positions that would be on the ballot however this evening um in front of us we're asked to uh revote the positions um as there is a resignation from the par commission um which would leave a 2-year seat open so timing is right so that we can get it on the ballot um so that it wouldn't be appointed and then you know for the year and then go back on the election um so with that um I have a letter here I believe you all have a copy of it uh from Mike Smith um who is the current chair of the Parks Commission and he is writing uh this letter to inform us that he will be resigning from The Parks Commission effective April 6th 2025 um I've greatly enjoyed my experience over the past three years and appreciate the support of the select board without that support we would not have been able to accomplish our goal gos of improving the parks facilities for the citizens of Lakeville I also want to acknowledge the numerous employees of the town for providing their support and helping us meet our goals the parks will continue to be in great hands and I look forward to enjoying all they have to offer as a town resident and thank you again for the opportunity to serve the town of Lakeville sincerely Mike Smith so um mam chair yes the Town Club did recommend some language for the motion um you don't have to do the whole thing um she recommended to add a 2-year unexpired term for one Park commissioner to the previously approved available positions for the annual election so moved second okay discussion I would like to send a letter um to Mike after this just to say thank you um he's done a lot of work sure has especially with all the ARA projects and everything y I think that the most work has gone on in the last two years in the park since what 2015 when we did lomon Lodge over again I think yeah and then before that actual getting the park lot of lot of activity okay roll please baby and I don I Carboni I and I okay so moving on to agenda item number 10 n n um the hearing is at 6:30 continuation so we'll have to go back to that okay um so this is this time is up again I feel like we just did this um just yesterday so this is a reappointment for a constable um request from Kenneth upam senior um to be reappointed as the conal of Lakeville and this uh would be for civil purposes only the police chief has reported no concerns um and this reappointment would be for term that would expire January 19th 2026 I'm here January 18th letter yeah okay all right so I'll entertain a motion to reappoint Kenneth upam senior as a constable um in the town of Lakeville for civil purposes only with a term to expire January 18th 2026 second any further discussion hearing none roll please B and I don carbon I W all right subcommittee um updates uh C board policy subcommittee how we doing no update yeah no update I'm just working internally on them and then I'll call up maren when I'm ready okay uh fire station building committee um we have been just quiet right now other than preparing for um the ballot election tomorrow so we do have a meeting on on Wednesday scheduled so so there's really not much to report there um the Old Colony Regional Vocational Technical building committee I know Brian um you know was on that do we have any updates on that at this point know I think it's still all stay the same okay all right and it it's also Brian I believe there's a meeting scheduled right yeah I'm blinking on the day but they have a meeting scheduled I think they're initial February 4th February 4th oh excellent and communication and community outreach anything on that BR nothing at this time all right and Citizens Academy we have nothing at this point I know Madam chair can we add third person do we do we want to try to add because um Christine was our oh for the Citizens Academy yeah um yeah I mean unless we want to just we can we can slide Andrew right into that slot right now oh Andrew good times no problem um yeah I'd like to get this rolling if uh if we can put something together I'll reach out tomorrow and um let's get it on the calendar yeah can I just ask a question on that so when you're ready to do the first one what is it what do you envision it would look like signups me personally um so I'm envisioning um something at the library people sign up we create you know packets of documents and we have little guest series like just a learning like a like a brown bag lunch almost where they're going to come in um they're going to learn a little something about each of the topics that we're going to go over and then citizens will feel a little bit more educated and if we have people that have the desire we can have like deeper you know conversations going forward but I think a lot of people they just don't know where to start I think a lot of people are like yeah I'd love to be involved I don't know you know what's entailed I don't know what's going on I know there was a a member uh of the community that came on board a board and she thought it was one thing and it was something else and she decided to stay and she became great at at it but it was just one of those things where the hardest part is taking that from step and and being uh you know vulnerable to the things that you don't know see I see like a series of um you know like maybe 10 modules where they would be like two hours each so it would be maybe 25 people 20 25 people whoever sign up um and then you know I envisioned that there'd be a graduation you know very similar to what the um the police department do at town meeting at the actual town meeting and then we can put them in the town meeting book and you know graduates so a lot of communities um have built this into their repertoire they' great very successful who does Marblehead yeah and danas does as well yeah uh where that it really just encourages citizens engagement and it does fill in a lot of the gaps and you know some people have mentioned to me that um you know I would I've never been to a town meeting and when you walk in there it's it's you know it's overwhelming overwhelming yep yep you know um especially when things are moving fast because people are very familiar with you know the people that show up every right so this is I think this would be really good for Lakeville um and I'm looking forward to to working with you on this too so it's a good thanks and then we have to engage the community um you know Outreach and Communications for yep getting that out there so be a nice family affair there'll be a subcommittee subcommittee and let's see so do we have any oh our next scheduled meeting is February 10th at 5:30 but I do believe we have a joint select board meeting scheduled for the 5ifth third is that on the is that on the website yet I didn't see yet I don't believe so not yet all right so it'll have the agenda and okay yeah so um it's here right yes yes and old business um how are we doing with with our we um a lot of the Plymouth County ones are winding down like the COA Edition is pretty much finalized um there's going to be some sort of opening event I imagine for that um the water Line's pretty much done we'll probably hear more about that um in the future um and then the working group for the um Clear Pond Park is meeting this Thursday okay and the the water line but also the old townhouse yeah that's getting towards the end too y okay and the Pavilion was is done I can see that it's done for the most part I think Paul just has a few like framing um items to finish and and surrounding putting the sound in right the sound system too taking the tree down the tree needs to come down yes we'll work on that um I had one item for well business not chair um we opened a new DPW building with no Fanfare at all um I would love to be able to this spring have something to celebrate the new DPW building and have an open house and really um I'm just pleased going in there I was like this is just fantastic hoses our DPW workers and it uh holds our our technology people um it's just a great building and a lot of people in Lakeville they don't take that way they don't know uh that we finally got rid of the uh the trailer trailer of uh The Moldy trailer the uh semi uh permanent structure that was supposed to be a 2-year fixed and stayed there about 15 years so yeah I would love to see something with that and coordinate with Frank I know when Anna was here um she was going to do a story on it and then Anna's transitioned out so um I would love to get some Fanfare around it and let the people of Lille know um where they're where their DPW is um you know what it looks like now what it used to look like um and how uh really just great that it turned out and it was definitely a creative effort to it was years of like missing the boat so and it really is a beautiful facility so I yeah we should celebrate and invite the public in to yeah definitely see that oh is there no new business no there should be new business on the agenda but the page is missing page is missing okay um M I had a couple items of new business um it's not an announce it should have been under the announcements and I wasn't thinking um but one of them is um please don't touch any sick Birds uh to the people of Lakeville make sure you're not touching any sick birds at this time uh we know that there's a lot of dead bird activity and birds laying down in fields um please contact Mass wildlife or day Freights um don't touch the birds as one of them um another is uh something that comes up that is near and dear to my heart all the time um but it really wasn't as profound as it was once I started teaching my girls to drive is Route 18 and 105 um there's an accident there every day like it's not big accidents but there's always a bumper or there's always some glass from you know a thing or some people standing off on the side uh I would love to see the state finally address uh that area they've been talking about it for 30 years on how to address it um it it's not set up for safety it's not set up for people to successfully navigate taking a left and a right or you know going straight there's just nothing good about it um and to that end all of Route uh 18 looks terrible condition they did not fix it correctly uh the state DOT they put in little patches all down 18 they didn't repave it as we were expecting um I would love some conversation with that and I'd be happy to come hang out at uh in Taunton with mot uh because it's just it's in bad condition everything's in really bad condition on Route 18 okay I can contact yeah to remember candido's um point about the intersection this this morning I was on my way in and I was on this side of 18 and I was looking on an horror as there were four cars in the intersection all going different directions at the same time and I was like oh I'm so glad I'm over this side because and I had a red light so I was so happy and I was just like this is crazy it it's just so and when you have like your your young ones next to you you really realize how bad it is cuz they're like no I'm just going to go straight and then I'm going to turn around in the historic library and go that way you know it's just a bad intersection um and it's something the state should have done something years ago and fatalities shouldn't be the only marker of them actually you know working on something that needs work I will there there you go yeah I'll contact I was going to say all we can do is ask but yeah y unfortunately fatalities go I know I know yeah anybody else have any uh new business well I do know um going off of the um Birds um I it's coyote meeting season so um those of you who have dogs just and cats too just be aware keep an eye on them when they're outside especially in Dusk and Dawn they make quite the Ruckus it's actually scary when you hear them like howling and yep yeah we all live close enough that we hear the same howling it's very creepy it is sure okay so we um we have 15 minutes before um um continue the hearing so at this point if if it's already with the board I'd like to just take a 15minute recess I don't think there's any other business conducted this time all we have here is correspondence that's right yeah so we did receive uh notice of the Massachusetts historic commissions regarding Massachusetts preservation uh project fund Grant programs um so I do know that our uh historic commission you know stays right on top of um all available grants um and if it's something that is um in flavor to what they're working on you know I I do know that they do take advantage of that Madam chair I did forward it to them thank you um programming from The Advisory from cromcast this is just a standard letter um when they make changes in their lineup um um it looks like just be impacting fuse HD channel 1414 which I'm really sad I didn't know I had a 1414 um and then fmhd Channel 1638 and um this one is from paper filing that's right I wanted to ask Andrew do we know what this one's about this is from Verizon form 500 service Interruption data um this is just when service was affected yeah I think it's just those so they just have to show um the date that the interruption occurred and how many residents it affected okay by the way um for those residents that might be listening to us all these correspondents um are on the select board uh page under the agenda for the meeting um hosting for that night if you're interested in taking a look I'm chair for you mm um for the form 500 Complaint Form using it twice um could this be on the website for people to yeah we probably should do that yeah and maybe get something going where it tallies up the numbers automatically like a Google sheet like a Google survey or something like that so you can just get get a number because saying it here in the meeting is probably not going to do anything where people might actually fill it out if we go and thing all right okay um so I guess um I'll entertain a motion to recess for till 6:30 so second discussion R may joh he right B 619 okay welcome back uh 6:30 p.m. Lal uh select board meeting um here on Monday January 27th um now that it's 6:30 um we are at the continuation of a public hearing um that has been um continued from our last meeting um into this evening so this is a discussion for 160 Bedford Street where a vehicle permit I just wanted to recap um a license uh request or vehicle permit request um came before the board um and with that we have to hold a hearing and we were waiting for some information to come back from some other boards committees and commissions regarding the same property so one of that uh pieces of information would be coming from the Conservation Commission and I believe we did have in our packet this evening a um just get here just a report uh for some I guess some recommendations regarding testing soil testing and they're meeting again tomorrow evening right didn't they continue it again MH um but I wanted to bring the board um to a point where we can actually have a discussion and um close the hearing and then make a decision um based on the information that we do have the Conservation Commission and the planning board are also uh discussing the property for different uh reasons but I believe that this board can render a decision based on the license or the application that was submitted to us just based on um the unregistered Vehicles so um the board anybody else have anything that they would like to add regarding the hearing that we brought us to this point um anybody from the public have anything they'd like to add if you wouldn't mind one at a time just come to the mic and state your name is Tim wi one wi way right next door um I got the report too and it looks like there's uh copper and zinc and and a lot of the recommendations and we haven't had the meeting yet but one of my questions is when it goes into the storm water I'm pretty sure it gets into the aquador and who's done any testing on that where are we going with the testing I think that's all Conservation Commission as far as correct right not here um I had sent some questions in the last time we were here um I got an answer from Andrew yes one of the answers I got was on the junkyard I looked at the junkyard statute and it clearly says you can't have stuff on it the first sentence of the statute if you'd like me to read it I can look no I believe we have that right in our packet this evening can you read the first paragraph to me storage in front yard prohibited storage of unregistered vehicles um section 21-1 I'm talking about the junkyard piece um right now the only thing that we have um is unregistered Ungar well they kind of go together when I came in we talked about the unregistered cars and all of the trailers and do you know what I mean right so right now containers and the boats and the RVs and all of it right so if we're here to talk about the unregistered Cars one of the problems I have is you guys said you were going to find them 300 a day and never did it and the reason I got was it was complicated because you had to spend a const so why don't we send why didn't we send a con conable daily and build people are trying to do it I think it was a little deeper than that if I'm not mistaken um with if I could just inter yes I'd like to just take a moment um sorry Mich Randazzo KP law Town Council um there were a couple of different reasons that had to do with how the bylaw was drafted and whether that was something that could actually be technically enforcable um but to your point earlier you know there's an application that's before you it's under specific provision of of the bylaws if there's other enforcement action that is appropriate to take under another provision of the bylaw than that is would be a separate action taken by the appropriate enforcement Authority um I the last I heard the property had been at least all the unregistered vehicles and you folks would know better than I what the current status of of I know you all did last time I was here you were all going out for a site visit the next day I believe it that's been viewed since then and that the unregistered vehicles are gone that there's if I recall no evidence that people are living in any of the storage a I don't know if there's more than one storage trailer um and if there's junk on site that violates another provision of the bylaws that would be the subject of a separate enforcement action um okay so what about what you just said there's multiple reasons why you didn't do it we never came to a town meeting had a vote so what would those reasons be of why you didn't charge them the 300 a day I think it was just a vehicle in which we had to enforce it if I'm not mistaken um right there was there was an issue as to whether or not the the the language of the bylaw is was appropriately enforceable the way it was drafted so you determin that you have a bylaw we were asked for our opinion on that yes so did you try to go enforce it so I mean we had a meeting in in so so in so far as the chair would like me to engage in a back and forth on this issue that's up to you but that is a separate issue than what's before the board if the board decid I mean the board could certainly decide to deny this permit even though it's on a completely separate issue because it determines that there's other conditions on site that violate other provisions of the law um but that has not been decided definitively um Andor whether or not this you know uh um you know if we look at when the Attorney General approved that the junk bylaw that was almost 25 years ago um they have taken a more stringent view these days about the specific non-criminal disposition Provisions which are the tickets they've taken a much stricter view these days about how the bylaws have to be written um in order to be validly enforceable so again um in front of us is this application uh for permit for temporary storage of unregistered Motor Vehicles so that's what we need to um address this evening okay so part of those all of those cars which I don't know if you guys saw when there was I don't know over 50 I I don't know the exact number upwards of 100 I don't know but now we have more problems with the soil right but um we we can take a um stance if we were to approve this um with conditions based on the outcome I believe of the conservation and planning based on their I went to the planning board and they came back according to Town Council and they had said something about they have to use the whole property cuz they were trying to apply just the front piece that I don't know I'm I'm not up that happened that happened last Thursday and it said it came from the Town Council and then I'm not the meeting start right away I haven't watched that meeting so basically for the past year for a long time there these cars were there you had said there was going to be a fine there was never a fine in force due to I guess the town attorney recommend mended that you can enforce it we've never had another meeting coming back discussing that or figuring it out it's been your bylaw for I don't know how many years would you say 25 years I mean to have a 25e bylaw that's not enforcable seems kind of it's not it's not that I'll interrupt it's not that it's not enforceable it's the vehicle for enforcement what do you mean the vehicle explain that meaning whether we bring them to court versus issuing tickets and so that can be an a you know in in any situation that can be a more expensive proposition than issuing tickets so you know I would expect that some point you know we would be looking to uh clarify that language at but going to court and having the Constable they would just pay for the Constable no we would we would have to go to court we would have to bring Court complaint we'd have to draft the complaint and that's what I thought was that's what I thought was going to happen but that's much different than tickets issuing tickets is simply it didn't say tickets well that's the that's what I think that um you know this board and I believe we have said it at the last meeting you know we we know that this was brought um you know to our attention and I believe that you know there will be some time to revisit the bylaw so um but as far is where we are right now um it's up to this board to hear what other um residents might have that's fine we have a bylaw that says you can't have one you allow them to have multiple for a long period of time may I ask a question oops you said there was a soil problem are you referring to the same Soil problemist Conservation Commission or a different soil not the same one okay cuz I read the report too yeah and then I you know I mean the water has to go somewhere yes and what it's caused from if you look it up and Google it it looks like it's caused from like metals and tires and and historical stuff and we have all that fill that was brought in to create this parking lot prior to any approvals prior to getting any approvals from anyone and now all of a sudden we have this car sitting in trucks and whatever sitting on top of the soil with no control of what's happening with the um where it's going now what else is in there do you know what I mean what else is leaked we still don't know what's in these storage containers we have no idea I tried going to the fire chief this week and asking him because when I was at the planning board there was a problem at 40 three main street with someone having containers and running a trash business well so I mean we have a lot of problems over there you're just one of the boards but right and and I think that you know what we have to decide on is whether or not we're going to issue the this permit so Donna did you have something yeah if you wouldn't mind come to the bike please just for the record it's a hearing yeah thank you Donna katano um this has been going on for two years we all know this um we've been complaining for the last s months with different boards and what I don't understand is why bylaws don't have to be enforced I'm talking even the buffer zone between our properties the way all these unregistered vehicles are parked and my land is wet land and now with the extra foood they brought in it's lower and with the trucks that don't move for months and months and months and a trailer that hadn't moved for a couple of years it is moved now it was a miracle but this is all draining to my property and on my property and God only knows if these trucks are leaking they don't go anywhere you know I I really think that if everyone pays taxes and bylaws are made to be followed by everyone there should be someone in this world that can enforce them well we shouldn't have bylaws there's a lot of things I want to do on my property and if nobody does anything that's great then I can start doing what I'd like and it's not going to be pretty so I I mean it it's very frustrating and it wasn't like this um 40 years ago when I was here people seemed to be more on top of things and now it's just a radical thing that happens and and for the permit that he needs to put all these unregistered Vehicles he hasn't had a license and he's been operating and he's still operating so I mean this is why are we even here to get a permit he can keep doing what he was doing for the last two years and that's all I know I seem sarcastic but I'm very frustrated over nothing being done by anyone there's been only two people that have really gotten into this and I have talked to several people to the top I thought I went and I I got no answer no reply um so I'm I'm sorry that you have to listen to me crab I don't do this all the time it's okay okay thanks Donna thanks for your time thank you Tim anybody else um for the hearing all right so we can motion to close the hearing um and then we can a decision motion to close the hearing Motion in a second any discussion on closing the hearing I have none so but I always ask that question uh rooll please bab and I T carbon I a note here okay which now brings us to what does this board want to do so we have the application license um for temporary storage of unregistered Motor Vehicles um so I guess there's either a motion to approve this license or so I do have a couple of questions sure um and comments so the word temporarily gives me a little unrest because it's kind of subjective I mean temporary just means it's not permanent it doesn't put any fixed amount of time on it um and they're not specifically asking for a number of vehicles so they're not asking for five they're not asking for 10 so um I don't know what our ability is to limit it I know we do have others we have one who has a limit of seven one who has a limit of six one who has a limit of 16 so I don't know if it's I think theair you think the limit of 16 was registered and and unregistered together right is that the one that what it is the last one no more than 16 registered or unregistered or unregistered okay and that the highest amount seven for unregistered for the to yep and again my my thing is if we approve this and we approve it for X number of vehicles if there's more Vehicles being stored what's our mechanism to to like police that police that if just just to answer that question I mean the bylaw does specifically I that upon proof of violation you can revoke the permit so you know you'd be back before this board wouldn't require a court intervention or you know that sort of thing what happens after that then it would then it would be if whether the permit is granted tonight or and then revoked later or denied tonight if there's proofs of violations then we would be you know looking at a court action okay and as you can see um with some of these other um permits the conditions in here so we are able to put [Applause] conditions so the question I guess would arise what does that temporary mean um I don't know how you would word that any other way one year or less 6 months or less what is temporary yeah would you like to come and speak to what that might represent sure good evening uh John werson I represent the uh applicant JH Taylor realy Corp Kenny cber on the owner's rep for JH Taylor realy Corp so uh with regards to the the U application it is for the permit under the bylaw only I think we've withdrawn the the state license application so just so we're clear as to what that is before you uh as far as the temporary I guess I work it in reverse it's not permanent it's not a uh a situation where the vehicles are being stored uh indefinitely the idea was that they would be shipped off site and they um they would stay there for a while I guess have to have better ideas to the time frame yeah you know they get recycled around it's you know whether it's 60 days 90 days you know I think what we're looking at is what would the right number be for allowing cars to be there at their maximum level and number two um what other the conditions um reasonable conditions would we set forth to make it work for everybody and like I've said from day one my goal in this thing is to work with the town not against the town I think I've lived up to my word and and getting everything out of there um you know in as timely a fashion as we could and uh we're just asking to see if we can find some common ground um to allow this application to move forward so as for the um number of vehicles the board had referenced um I think 16 or so on one seven on another um I also would call to the board's attention the size of those Parcels because that is one of the criteria under the bylaw um as far as those Parcels are concerned the one that allowed 16 was 36 Acres the one that allowed seven was 1 acre the parcel that we're dealing with is 5.1 acre 5.81 acres in the back another 1 6 acres in the front um so it's substantially larger than any of the parcels in which uh permits were previously granted um and I agree the board is within its discretion to impose conditions and I looked at the conditions they they do date back to 2001 and 2020 but those are certainly reasonable and something that that we would abide by in terms of the location of the vehicles where in proximity to the neighbors the view from the Street uh certainly would adhere to any conservation restrictions as far as locations go and we'll know more from conservation tomorrow um when they hold their meeting uh but as far as the conditions go they all look very reasonable uh and something that we would certainly comply with should the the bo Grant the permit Madam chair Point clarification the 1 for 16 is a combination uh of unregistered and registered Vehicles not just unregistered including the owners and employees Vehicles correct I believe that's the tow yard is that that's owners and employees unregistered and registered vehicles but is that the the towing the last one right but that one is on the 36 Acres correct so very small um piece of land compared to the 5.8 acres that that the the petitioners have excuse me and you had um on here as unregistered correct I don't think we need a permit for registered Vehicles so what would you consider a reasonable number of vehicles for a parcel this size 500 I'm just kidding I I I don't know if that's helping you a nice ride here probably not I would I would in my 2530 um you know would be and would to me be not an unreasonable number um that we look at any one time and Max now does that count towards trailers or storage units George units we have to have a permit I believe right right there is a bylaw about storage units in town right how long so just I mean just looking at the video that I have here from when we visited there was maybe seven or eight large white trucks with the great big um rectangle thing and there's trash coming out of all of them and there's a lot of dumpsters here there's tires piling up on one truck so for me it's not so much about how many vehicles it's what constitutes a vehicle what's coming out of them because for all intend and purposes this is a junkyard because it might not be a typical junkyard where you're bringing stuff in but if there's large trailers filled with trash and things that are being disposed of to me it's kind of operating like a junkyard so how does that work what counts as a car um and is that considered an actual junkyard so your BW refers to a statutory definition of Motor Vehicle right and that I mean here we go all vehic constructed and designed for propulsion by power other than by muscular power um including such Vehicles when pullar towed by another motor vehicle except trains and rail cars trackless trolleys I by another meet vehicle it's not considered no it is considered as long as it is designed um hold on a second except that's hold on second okay it's a statutory definition and so we would look back to that statutory definition because it's expressly referred to in your bylaws what is defined as a motor vehicle um just I mean it's it's a very long so it doesn't include electrical bikes um so if a car is sitting there but it doesn't have a motor in it no I think I think that's okay I mean I think it would be included um there's a limitation here about whether if they're incapable incapable incapable of being driven at a speed exceeding 12 mil hour and used exclusively for the building repair and maintenance of Highways so that's not considered a motor vehicle um so I haven't seen the picture of the trailers but are these like the big trailers that like get TR tractor trailers um would you like me to just show you real quick yeah I mean I mean it it would seem including such Vehicles all vehicles constructed and designed for propulsion by power including such Vehicles when Polar towed by another motor vehicle so a trailer on its own can't move move no so that's not a motor it wouldn't be considered a motor vehicle right it has a registration that's ex right but you can't like it's got wheels on it for sure but it's got it doesn't have its own motor it doesn't have it's not capable in and of itself of propulsion without being trained so that would not be included register that would allow I don't think so I'm sure that there's requirements for things to be registered you have to register your boat trailers but you can't they can't go on their own without being to right but I mean you know I am sure that there's DMV guidances on all the different because you know the statute says when in doubt consult the register of Motor Vehicles so I mean you know if if we wanted if we needed to look at that we could certainly look at that for specific um Clarity but I would not think it would include the uh the trailers on their own they're just not capable of being the propulsion on their own and then going back to the dumpster part if the permit is to temporarily store the vehicles does that include removing things and you know cleaning them out does that or is that just storing so the permit is just for the storage what do you mean actual Clean cleaning out so let's take one of these trailers we bring it to the parcel it gets emptied out whatever's in it might get divvied up or whatever and then it's moved out is that part of it because it's filled with you know that requires dumpsters and that's where you're that's where it might that's the that's I think that's the junkyard issue that's where that's what I'm asking is does that constitute a junkyard um just looking at the junkyard bylaw well because one of them says the open display or open storage of junk is prohibited on any storage for purposes bylaw the term junk includes old secondhand or previous used discarded or scrapped articles or materials of any type whether they're collected held or stored for Salvage sale exchange recycling processing conversion or every other purpose and then it goes on to talk about how you would get registered as a as a junk dealer that that definition is fairly broad but that's a different bylaw so where it's hidden from everywhere but the wind's driveway is that considered in the open or is that considered out of sight open is outside okay I mean it's it's not so restrictive as to say that it's you know if you can't see it from a public Street necessarily got it okay so one of the conditions on one of them says discarded Parts shall not be left to accumulate and shall be disposed of promptly one of the old applications yeah yeah would that oh number three cover that stuff sure I mean I think it's probably the reason why that was included in that condition I can appreciate it not being in view of um Bedford Street Bedford Street and I would um and I like the 200 foot buffer too from any of the butters the discarded Parts I can I can deal with that but um the quantity of vehicles I mean if you're thinking 25 I would say you said 25 to 30 but I would say no more than 25 in any given one point in time the language of the Hazardous fluids um to be stored in such a manner to prevent any leakage that's on all of these here um I would say that that would need to and this would also be contingent upon um cons um conservation any any of the limitations or restrictions imposed by the Conservation Commission because I think you know one of the issues might be location within the the whole area right they speak to the 5.6 and the one point whatever but if conservation says there's you can't you know you're too close to a buffer or Wetland or something like that they may shrink down the total space and that was my my concern so as long as that would cover that yes I I think that would okay I mean unless of course conservation comes back and says you know there's significant remediation issues that need to be addressed or something like that but um I would think of a condition that limited required compliance with any other limitations or restrictions um should cover Madam chair yes on the Freetown Street application there is a condition about a fence or visible screen mhm just wanted to call that to attention of the board if anyone thought that that would be an appropriate condition offense some type of screaming either trees or offense from um neighbors the way it it says it's not visible from the house or Street okay because the elevation of where the neighbors are I think that where the lot is it's lower you can't see it as it is anyways but also I think that if it's if the neighbors are high they would still be able to they can see it from their house yeah so if anything there's like this area where they took um they took a bunch of dirt from a hill and the wind's house is right behind it so maybe they could Plant Tall BMS or trees or whatever it is up top I think conservation is is addressing that fill as well but I mean that could I mean not to interject in your discussion but that could also be something that you included in yours if you wanted to you know some someone suggest something like arbites at one point or just in conversation you know what could be um fencing and screening could be some combination of just not just a chain link fence you know which doesn't do much of anything but some sort of planting or shrub or I mean trees or whatnot and and and I don't know if conservation is is couldn't go so far as to require that but you may want to include that in if you want to um just to ensure if that's a condition that you want to impose unless otherwise required by the Conservation Commission for example [Applause] okay okay what she said and mean know I think 25 is generous um okay so all right so I guess I'll put the motion out there I'll entertain a motion to approve the um application just want to make sure I get the wording right here application for um unregistered Vehicles storage of unregistered vehicles um at 160 Bedford Street you might have to help me out here Michelle uh at 160 bedf Street Madam chair did you want to say the temporary and put the timing of temporary in that motion might I suggest that we itemize all the conditions what I was going to do which would include you know any time limitations on on the storage I just want to make sure I got the start of the motion correct with the following conditions uh vehicles are are to be no closer than 200 ft uh from Bedford Street and um a Butters vehicle shall not be in view from Bedford Street discarded Parts shall not be left to accumulate and shall be disposed of promptly not more than 25 whole cars shall be stored in any given time or the permit will be revoked any hazardous fluids to be stored in such a manner to prevent any leakage of hazardous materials um and what and I want the language that you had just said about the visual um I didn't write it down but so so do so do you want p ing I don't necessarily know that it's fencing but some kind of buffer or and just so I'm clear is this edford street and around the whole perimeter of the property or just just for the butters yeah okay um so visual screening want to do like natural plants or like could we say at recommendation of the conservation committee because I'm sure they would have a recommendation for a native something that could be used as offence so you know uh visual screening as may be recommended by the Conservation Commission Andor the um director of inspectional services I don't know if you want to put that in there too because they may have cuz I just don't know if it's going to be part of what the Conservation Commission is going to do if you're comfortable that that's going to be what they're I would think so yes okay so installation of visual screening um and it's for the butter so it's just just like the back of the property right it it would be like a horseshoe like you would have the entrance coming in driveway I'm just so here's the street right here's here's the way the property is so you're really looking at sort of visual screening on um I don't know if I got my directions right is it the West and East sides of the property or is it also on the north side of the property I just want to describe it with as much um when you're going into the property go back and then it shoots off to the right so it's just off to the right and then towards clear there's wind which go back right we got you're talking about on that back side that's what we're connecting yeah so you got it so just so visual screening whatever the location is that you want to specify as would you address to specify for what used it would be in the celf well he's got it here um um the parcel in the here it would be the southeast corner of the parcel up windway the other AB butter is here at the connection of Bedford Street and whatever this road is I don't remember the name the katano house is here the wind house is here I don't think there's any other abuts that I'm aware of okay so you just want to specify for you know for the the the two buing property and the katano or I'm sorry if I mispronounced someone's name Catalano katano katano properties yeah but we'd have to spell out what the property is the address right because so this is this is why you never should ask the lawyers right because I'm trying to be specific enough so that we can be clear to the applicant where they have to install that visual screening so if you're if you're comfortable saying visual screening as recommended by the Conservation Commission to um I'm I'm comfortable with that because I know the conservation feels the same way okay so visual screening is recommended by the Conservation Commission yes you sure that's um it will be uh because of their Wetlands or their not a buffer zone is approved by the cons it's probably going to have to be approved by yourself because you're making a conditioning Grant and a license but the screening is getting approved by by us but the material screen yeah but the Conservation Commission I don't believe is going to enforce or put the Tre say that they arities or whatever it is it's not going to be a Conservation Commission that's going to enforce that or design that no they there for a recommendation right well that's why you said as recommended as recommended so but that goes to the type of materials right right the type of screening right because we wouldn't want anything that wasn't native to the area but the but the location issue is that's the thing ke getting out can we just have a map included in the Highlight the area in the map sure you can do that okay they have it on their site plan right so use one of them to reference as indicated on the map and that way you can be yeah as prescriptive as you want so I would say this would be it that looks up to me that's up to you guys yeah would right would reference to the assessor Parcels be helpful as far as um pinpointing these particular Parcels that the buffer zone would be uh next to I get we we have the uh South East section but if if we wanted to reference the actual Parcels um those why why don't you take a I mean I I would yeah I'm I'm trying to look at my little thing here so this would be South Southeast I guess and this would be so it's not the entire one you doing all my this area are you doing all up my drug so there uh no it was closer to the house well how about up the driveway that's the complaint I have when I pull in my driveway and I'm trying to sell the house everybody can see all the jump so that's what the whole complaints been the whole time that's why they put the 15ms up without I mean all right so I'm happy to I'm happy to just do this too these guys have a SE assist yeah that will cover that okay I'm sure I had a question on the language on one of your articles your one of your conditions okay um when you had said not more than 25 whole cars should be stored to any given time should the permit revoked be over the entire well it's over the entire thing didn't know calling it out and more if it made it more confusing or less confusing um so I I I kind of had that thought too but because it's specifically says in the bylaw that you know faqu with any of the conditions sh um uh subject it to revocation just seemed to me it was being added for additional emphasis okay um I think the piece that I just didn't want it to be confused with this would be the only reason no why it would be the permit would be removed um I think the issue and I was waiting for you to get to the end to see if you've got through all your conditions is the temporary piece if you were to put a time limit okay I just encourage you one property had registered and unregistered this is just unregistered so he can have as many registered on it as he wants yeah long as they registered I don't think we don't have any perview over that well why did that other one have a restriction okay so I I don't know that this is the appr time to be engaging in that kind of back and forth but what I would suspect probably happened in that situation was that because someone and I wasn't involved in that but because someone was going to have registered vehicles on site both for their you know for their employees and otherwise you wanted the overall cap so that there weren't an excessive number of vehicles on site at any one time whether they were unregistered or CU this is just yeah okay Madam chair can you add the all tires to beond rims because tires is one thing that can out of this junk yep you can know that too um so after the the you know the screening that you just worded so eloquently and with the map um the language that you said based on um the conservation restrictions that they identifi as and subject to any additional restrictions limitations or conditions required by the Conservation Commission as applicable yes how's that yes so that'll be coming out of what would be tomorrow um and then I'd like to add the all tires are to be on rims so if the tractor trailers are not considered unre unregistered Vehicles would be storage correct yeah and that they wouldn't be allowed so they wouldn't be allowed or do we have to specify that it's under a different bylaw it's under a different bylaw what about boats that's M cuz the first time I had seen it there were school buses there there were all kinds of stuff there there school buses RVs boats tractor trailers storages so it seems to me that the school bus an RV if it's capable of being you know it's one that you could drive like those are going to come under Motor Vehicles right um storage containers like the shipping containers wouldn't be in my opinion um no but we have a bylaw about for that so that would be subject to that okay okay all right do you want me to run them down again yes please please no more um vehicles are to be no closer than 20 ft from Bedford Street 200 what did I say 20 20 okay 200 ft from Bedford Street and a bu a Butters Vehicles shall not be in view from Bedford Street discarded part shall not be left to accumulate and shall be disposed of promptly not more than 25 whole cars shall be stored at any given time or permit will be revoked any hazardous fluids to be stored in any such manner to prevent any leakage of hazardous material um what Michelle had said about the screening visual screening is recommended by the Conservation Commission for materials and located as indicated on the map highlighted and then the next one would be um any restrictions um from the Conservation Commission subject to any restrictions conditions and or limitations imposed by the Conservation Commission as applicable yep tires um just going to get the wording on that all tires are to be on rims and the temporary one is the last one but up we Hadad got into the wording on that so um no more than 4 months no more than 6 months what a temporary well so I guess this is a question right if you have a a a total cap on the number of vehicles at no more than 25 at one time do you really plan to be monitoring like taking pictures of which ones are there and monitoring if they're on for four months or not so so I don't know how you actually enforce enforce that or regulate that it's a total cap at any one time it's a total cap um so let's worry less about the specifics per each car and just in total making sure that there AR also the 25 it said no more than 25 whole vehicles that reads as unregistered or registered because it's just 25 whole vehicles so do we want to do 25 unregistered and no more than x amount total or just 25 in total registered or otherwise well I think you can certainly make it clear that what the what the intent of the 25 is if it was intended to be the unregistered which I think is what he's looking for or whether you were looking at it for uh complete number of vehicles on the premises at one given time okay because there's other businesses on there oh true right yeah so I was I oh yeah I that was thinking more unregistered for okay and and I would probably just make that clear in there then unregistered since that was a question that has just come up it makes sense on register um just for purpose now does this license get renewed every year so it doesn't say so in the in the uh Tracy where are you well I was looking at it this morning right I mean not just as we were talking right just to confirm whether it was um and it doesn't have an annual restriction so but I do think it's reasonable for you to put a total time limit on the permit and which would then require a fresh application which would give you an opportunity to then see how things are going has two yeah I mean as I'm looking at your other ones it looks like you folks have been issuing them for a year at a time so I just can't remember I mean I know we we do the you know junk dealers and yeah it was 2020 last time we did one a long time ago and so that would be the the only thing that I would want to make sure that it was um on a year yeah I mean again it could be six months it could be a year you know no I prefer the year so usually so it would be the date of approval it wouldn't necessarily fall so if you so is it just looking at the one that Meine just showed me it was a January 1 to the end of December I would maybe maybe run it now till the end of December as oppos because I would like to try to align align right exactly cuz usually I think the auto dealer licenses are also a January one till December so um so would that wouldn't necessarily be a condition would it to renew yeah no I mean you would you you would establish it's the said said said permit or said application granted for the time period xax okay from January 1st to December 31st or from tonight till December 31st oh right so yeah but in general it would be I would hate so when it renews it would be renewed in January is what I'm trying to right right well if it ends the end of December they need to come back to you for renewal for January first right and you would I think if I remembered correctly Tracy sends out notices to people when they're just worded for the December 31st okay all right so through December 31st okay anybody else 2025 thank you I just got to add that want to be clear Leah Brena good thank you so that was the motion do I hear a second yeah I'll second it okay is there any discussion from this board okay how are you two feeling about it not very good we don't even know if that land is business Zed or residential that you're putting all these vehicles on I believe it's businesss bus there's currently a ceas and assist with the Conservation Commission about bringing anything in so why would be we be granting a permit when they're under se de well that's not under this this board but well and and also I would just point out that it is subject to any restrictions conditions or limitations imposed by the Conservation Commission so if there issuing a seasoned assist on and you know on anything that this might fall under then they have to comply with that it's it's covered under the how do we address the junk do I have to come back with the same thing and get in front of the board to the junk because that's clearly violating the town so from what I may I I'm so sorry we're in the middle of a motion but go ahead yes um so from what I understand we were talking about a vehicle to actually act on this by approving this with the conditions it gives us the vehicle to act on it if it continues does that make sense I'm talking about you're talking about the junk but the provision of having this permit means that the junk cannot remain so if the junk remains then we can actually Act that provision that's not on it's that's a different no you actually have the junk that has to be removed it wasn't didn't say specifically junk it was specifically discarded Parts discarded parts parts so you have to clarify that to be junk you're all statute clearly ZW clearly STS what it is right you reference the zoning law the first paragraph state right what it is okay okay any way in here I mean look I I think that there's certainly a vehicle to add as a condition to this that um no you know junk as defined by the bylaw separate bylaw um shall be allowed but but I don't know how you know defining that is right cuz one person's junk is another person's treasure no no no but you read it it clearly St it says discarded Parts shall not be left to accumulate what's that it says discarded Parts shall not be left to accumulate what's considered a part a washing a Furniture uh no I I thought I thought I and this would a good point for clarification I assumed you meant motor vehicle that's EX exactly what I was referring to yeah but what what I'm saying is what of all of the other stuff that you're allowing to happen that's still on that's not under this business license I I I might just suggest that this is you know you folks need to well finish to be fair now I'm confused as well because the junk is a part of this if the property is only supposed to be used to store vehicles but a large component of this is large trailers coming in and emptying out garbage and it being found and separated everything that goes beyond the permit but that is not allowed period okay right without under under the bylaw without a junk dealer's license so to clarify if this permit is approved with the current conditions and it remains as this kind of Quasi junk whatever that's actionable yes okay CU it's a non-permitted use it's a non-permitted use okay so we're covered yeah okay I think that was now I got the clarification okay all right r no no donu I I'm going L uh candido no [Music] um it's a bad time for four of us to be here tonight right uh my first instinct at Carboni no Li is not granted okay well thank you all for your time you put a lot into it so appreciate that thank you for your time thank you thank you can I just ask question how do I bring the whole junkyard how do I how do I get about that because it's been clear violation for two years this have why I go to the town attorney whatever our no you don't go directly to our town attorney I think um if it's a if it's a b law it goes to the zon the complaint would need to be filed with the zoning bylaw Complaint Form the if it's a complaint well going against we filed the complaint in the original complaint that I F but that was back in June and it has not been addressed and then I've also got an answer from Andrew that you have not decided or said it's a junkyard but I read the statute and if it's not a junkyard I don't know what it is according to reading your statute so I want to bring that in front of you how do I do that I mean just just take the complaint and have it reviewed by Andrew and and and Nate as the Director of inspectional services and make a separate inspection if when is necessary conditions on the on the property on the stfe now I'm just trying you know I'm trying to just do you know what I mean that you have bylaw that says right in there if it is a licensed trunk yard they have to report the sales to you want pay tax they they're not even there's not even a business that's there that's a verbal word of mouth of the people that are doing it and they're letting it stock pile up and it is visible from it's visible from my driveway it's visible from Donna's house and we've gotten now the unregistered Vehicles address but how do we get I mean there's shipping containers just have a question go so you said you filed a compl what was the complaint under did you specify under what bylaw you were there were so many issues at the time when we sent it off to there was conservation there was you guys there was the Board of Health at the time I've going to the fire she no I'm just trying to find the vehicle the right vehicle to get you where you're trying to go so well back I mean back in June I sent a letter to you guys on the 18th that you didn't get because some for some reason the email they have on it was my Old Town Administrator email and it's blocked but yes oh so when I go online and I put yours in there B that do we have a form we have a complaint form we do have a Complaint Form okay it's and that's what you filled out before or you no I sent it verbally F you had a complaint and sent it or you filled out the form I didn't fill out a form I just uh we can send you that well I can get the I I just want to know the right vehicle so this gets addressed because you're basically you're allowing your junkyard to operate un licensed and it's been well known by everybody you guys have all been out there you've seen the washing machines hanging out um you all have I mean it's not a secret it's not it's there shipping containers there's boats RVs buses like all of that so it's just I'm trying to get it cleaned up my goal is to not cause any problems just say hey clean it up and come back and apply for the right permits don't make a parking lot and then come back and try to get permission to have one do you know what I mean it's and right now we have we found arsenic which that is supposedly been sent up to Upstate New York and now with the storm water and then tomorrow we're going to have to ask the questions about getting into the groundwater you resubmit the complaint um through um Nate and the Town Administrator about the the jard I need be because the answer of just I we haven't decided it's a junkyard then what is it I guess we'll just we have to you know I meanw said it's not a junkyard Tim just resubmit it and send it to um Andrew and and Nate because I mean it needs to be oppressed I've been a taxpayer for 2 five years I understand and you guys and no one want it's just multi jurisdiction just pointing fingers like go here go here go here yeah and we don't want to do that we want to be able to address it the right way and you know this is the first time I'm I'm having to deal with that kind of stuff so I'm kind of finding my way to um as a select board and I appreciate your patience and yours as well Donna um because I wish I had all the answers to make it simplified for all involved but um I just want to make sure that we are supporting our residents when they have complaints in the best way we can correct and if there's a junkyard clearly being offered and it's not being shut down mam chair ask Town Council a question if there is a business operating without a business license in town yeah business licenses aren't really a thing I mean you know the business registration it's that's different from what your bylaw specific place has which is no open air storage unless you get this junkyard dealer permit which has its own process which will probably be back before you but some point if if conditions are the way they are on the site I'm just asking you guys to follow the law your own rules and enforce them that's it I'm not trying to change anything I'm not trying to do anything I'm like you have a you have a a bylaw that clearly states you need to have a license Mr when three and they do not have a license from you I will be the first to acknowledge that we need to get better at looking at the old bylaws we did have a mechanism where they actually did just look at all the old bylaws back in 2021 for validity and they just missed um the enforcement part of of this so if if my myself as one single select board member I can propose to add it to the warrant for the next town meeting which is talked about that we can talk and we can just talk about the that's all I want to do I just want to get it like you have you have my word that I'll be recommending to add it to the warrant for the rest of the board members to vote that's all I'm trying to do I don't want to come to planning board conservation and we don't want our residents to do that either so it's been six months and I've been so many meetings no I understand and we didn't know until after the last town meeting that there was an issue with it we didn't understand after the time that we could have added it to the last town meeting so we have another uh that was the special so we have another town meeting coming up in is it May or June it's June June so I won't be able to address this till June in June that's that's when the town meeting is that's the annual town meeting that's that's that's just the language in the byw clarified Lang but we can't address the enforcement of this till June like you're the guy can just Place blatantly just operate something that violates your laws the town laws till June is that what you're telling me no no there's not that the the it's a manner of the mechanism for enforcement right and so ceas assist can be issued a requirement that he um or not a requirement we don't want to require people to submit permits applications it's up to them to do that but in the absence of the submission and approval of a appropriate permit application you're in violation of the ter viol that's what I'm saying they're in violation I just don't understand why we can't send them a letter and say please move it I mean just something can we send them another C assist the issue is is and and I'm talking solely as the lawyer right there may be disagreement with you folks as to what is going on on site and whether it constitutes whether it's a junkyard and that is a discretionary uh decision by your enforcement officials so there has to be agreement on the town side on the enforcement side that it does violate the bylaw right but if you look at the wording of the bylaw C so if you Tim if you can presubmit your your complaint to Andrew um and re enforcement officer well would be Nate and Andrew say you want another complaint on the jun j pce this is just just resubmit it so that it's specific yeah I'm just like I said I'm just trying to say just we all need to follow the laws we all need to pay taxes so if you're not a licensed junkyard right in your bylaws it says you have to report your sales and pay a tax on it so you're allowing them to operate without reporting sales and without paying taxes so why does some have to pay taxes and some not I mean if you break point it's a point what's that it said it's a point but that I mean I've read it it's in black and white it's like why do we need Nate to decide if it's a junkyard I well I have one question too in the meantime you know whatever happened today are they going to continue to have things parked right on the boundary lines and all the unregistered cars they were allowed to keep them there right you allowed one unregistered vehicle oh well there's more than that well I mean they have the RV sitting there all right you guys want to go home too no no but I mean they're already in they're already violated there's more than one you know what I mean so we're already do I come back with a complaint on I mean I don't want to waste everybody's time just all I'm trying to say is you guys have a clear zoning bylaw that's black and white just enforce it nothing else just and then everything goes back to Nate Nate did not answer any of my emails for months six mon M chair yes we're way off topic off the agenda no I I appreciate thank you for ping me back just submit your complaint resubmit it please thank you thank you thank you for at least listening it's very frustrating okay thank you all right uh at this point I will entertain a motion to enter executive session pursuant to General Law chapter 30A section 21 A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining with the Educators Association of Freetown Lakeville if an open meing may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the board and the chair so declares in pursuant to General Law chapter 30A section 21A 3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares Bountiful Farms juicy Northeast Alternatives buds Goods Twisted Growers and alen Strauss demand letter and not to return to open session at 7:40 p.m. so Move Motion in a second roll please Fabi and I Johny UI Carboni I and okay entered executive for