the peer reviews such I would I don't want to see inspectional Services Task with all of this extra stuff because we're already tight yeah Madam chair same comment um you know whatever we're doing if it's the authority is going through the
building inspector it should be the Authority for the building inspector to appoint it to agency X but I guess do we understand at this point even once you've handed off to the peer review how much administ managerial
work is there still to do inside the town's part of it I I don't I don't know this is this is a another unfunded mandate we really don't know how much extra work will happen um you know until until we get involved and start doing it
and you know that's another thing with the select board being the storm water authority and having the ability to designate uh so if the you know select board's office does get additional staff and I know I talked to the DPW director about um passing all ms4 over to the you
know Town Administrator and select board staff uh to manage that may be another piece that goes there so as long as the select board is the appointing authority you know I'm happy to help out in the beginning and then maybe that mors into something different if it becomes too
cumbersome just to me it just seems I I was that is the way that it is though I anticipate that coming to my office at some point so we've talked about it so not a huge deal yeah I mean that is the way that it is in some commun in a lot of communities that you
know some there's even one person appointed from the select board and those communities to actually you know work on it on them I think dayon was for the longest time it was uh yeah if if this is done correctly and managed correctly it it probably won't be as
cumbersome as what it looks like um you know provide that we can you providing the biggest piece of that is providing we can use 53g so um right now the draft language is silent um with 53g so we just got to make sure that that gets inserted in the bylaw um and if that if
that happens I don't see why we can't you know kind of farm it all out which one do you recommend I'm looking is it possible for there to be multiple storm water authorities would that make sense so Michelle and I talked about that briefly
um with the um the way site plan review so site plan review was also um guess inspired or mandated through ms4 uh to start you know doing the site plan review and in our early years our site plan review had an except exception the
exception was in the event that Conservation Commission was um being uh petitioned for a notice of aent you wouldn't have to go through site plan review through the planning board and over the years the planning board got into more architectural features this is a review through the planning board and over the years the planning board got
into more architectural features this is across the Commonwealth um and so it made no more it didn't make sense any longer to um uh have conservation be this you know the site plan review I guess to some extent you know Authority when the notice of intent was issu so
you bring up a good point and if there was uh multiple authorities designated by the select board so in the event that conservation was having uh notice of intent in front of them and they were doing storm water they're going to do peer review anyway so I guess if we were
all on the same page as far as who we were using for a peer review consultant it's all would be all it's like planning board and conservation work very closely now so if they both are seeing the same project um they both using the same peerreview engineer they're both getting the same information so you're kind of
working together there so I I see this probably happening the same way it would just be the actual management so I'm looking at it okay Conservation Commission it's a you know volunteer board um they don't have staff I mean they have an agent but the agent's parked time the agent answers through
inspectional services and really the same thing with the planning board you know we have a planner but the planner actually reports the Town Administrator so you know how best to collect this information and manage it and and you know get it out there probably is just starting with the select board is the
storm water authority and then just having that language in their design and you know I think we got to button up um the outside consultant piece with 53g and authorize the agent of the select board to also be able to enter into
those agreements so you don't have to run back to the select board every 5 minutes and say hey we want to you know sign a proposal for um you know environmental Partners right or somebody like that bills and Thomas to do a peer review either the you know the Town
Administrator would be fine uh signing something like that or or you know whoever is designated by the board yeah I was kind of running that through my head too I'm like well what are they going to come with like every two no we need to move things you know needs to be
a little bit more fluid yeah I ideally if the select board were that that party The Authority having jurisdiction it's nice a too because being that Authority a lot of times you know you might get a Zone complaint or something like that that goes to the zoning board of appeals
or a general bylaw um that doesn't have another Authority and it's under uh chapter 249 in this instance the select board could hear complaints um regarding whoever they appointed to do the work so you know whoever that was if all of a sudden you had a neighbor complaint they
said hey look you know the Building Commissioner didn't do their job on sowore he could go back for the to the select board to you know make a final decision on that oh and that actually bring brings up one other point is I guess it's under zoning bylaw but it's
really a general bylaw so okay would be under General one of the last things that I mean I had highlighted here um was the the fines um in the back cuz I know we had uh talked about making sure that we cleaned up our language a little
bit on um the fines there $300 per day with no limit yeah cuz you know there's as long as we can enforce it it's the enforcement piece of it that I think we had talked about trying to draft possibly a bylaw that
would I guess maybe clean clean up the rest of it so that it wouldn't have to be written into every single you know area where fines were identified so that was yeah that was the same note I had we actually going to be able to
enforce I have Town Council reviewing that and they should be given us something that lets us enforce this and all the rest all I was just going to say that um so there's you're taking all of this information into um consideration um for
the bylaw I know the the planning board would hold um their required hearings um and then it would be you know coming to town meeting So the plan is to have it for the annual town meeting M BR yes okay okay I I just had a couple I know we're
not going to have time but since Sur pad's here I just thought I'd rattle them off and do with them as you may um so I'll save the most ridiculous one for last um at least in the patch that we got page was page six under exemptions right there's a whole lot of exemptions
in here uh let me just read it real quick again to see if I miss it the first [Music] time but I'm coming back to that um past few years years there's been a significant rise of like power washing soft washing companies that use detergents and bleach and such I don't
know if that's something that should be included shouldn't be included I see we've gone to the extent of including like individuals washing their cars which could be similar chemicals I just bring it up because it's something new in the last few years but you look like you want to say something over there
that should be added as an exemption I'm just bringing it up for awareness said do with it as you wish you mean like someone would hire someone to power wash their house is that happens all the time here yes so Brian that's currently under illicit discharge so remember here um
we're talking primarily about what goes into storm brains and so if you have elicit discharge nonstorm water like car wash or uh you know washing machine or or some pump stuff like that that's illicit disch we already actually have
that by okay cuz look at my street all the drains go to Elder's Pond yeah drinking water so so let's just want to it was such a extensive list of exemptions I thought it was worth bringing up to say here's a new thing that maybe didn't exist years ago um the other I have was this is what
we already talked about fines like let's just make sure we can enforce them we've had other issues with bylaws in town where we can't enforce the fines and then the ridiculous one was under Pages five and six it calls out dog waste yeah yeah you're right we actually
in this town because we have a lot of horses have a back in October of 2015 a public health advisory that also calls out horse manure and needing to clean those up and being fine so I don't know if it's worth changing that language to not be canine specific and just say
domestic animal or you know service animal instead of service dog because then you tie yourself in a service animal and suddenly iguana is a service animal the next day what the fed's deal with that definition yeah should it should be pet waste in general right so when I bring
my pet camel down the street like hold accountable examp yeah it's not a dog so I'm okay um but that those are the three I had that that's it so noted like I said take them throw them out you want to do and are you
suggesting that the car washing power power washing should not be Exempted I'm not I'm I'm not making a recommendation it was just such a long list they said here's another thing that uses chemicals and runs down my driveway that's all okay anybody else on the SL
board all right good I talked about my dog poop I'm good you're good well um thank you very much um all of you Danica too and I know you stepped in but she she was pregnant she went through attorney leave and came back and she got this done and I'm just very I'm
very happy well I have Sara and others on my team to thank for that appreciate it um so as far as the um the time frame goes um of when you know we would be voting or make a recommendations um on the warrant articles for town meeting um
you know just as far as like the dates and stuff um for having something you know a final draft I guess they are aware of the next uh planning board meeting and you said that they'd have a draft ready Thursday the 13th they they have their meeting in the evening and
we'll have it to the grou group of officials by Wednesday evening okay great are you oh you're holding the hearing on the 13th no just uh Thursday is our our planning board so we have it so then we'll schedule the hearings
gotcha all right Michelle correct me if I'm wrong the the main reason they wanted to be here tonight is because they didn't want to designate the select board without the select board knowing so they wanted to give a overview of exactly what this meant so if we end up going that route you know the select
boards are right so are we voting are you looking for us to vot to V we need Council to look at over look at over yeah but that's but you will want a vote that or can we just say it so you'll you'll give we'll give the final version
to Town Council to review and then I mean at some point someone on the town's end just needs to decide who you want the authority I don't know if that has to be an official vote in a meeting or not but so we know so I Look To Our Town
Administrator um who obviously you know would be um supporting this this board um you know for your recommendation or support for it it coming here okay we would be looking at you yeah I mean the way the process is
set up in this bylaw it's pretty streamlined I think to go through Nate and 53g I think it makes sense for the select board to be the authority okay um so on a future agenda we're going to have to um I mean if it gets
built into the bylaw uh the 53g the 53g the select board would still I mean you'll have to let us know what the timing would be if it's supported through town meeting the Warren article um and then the vote for the 53g account
after or if it would need to take place prior I don't know yeah I don't think 53g is like a vote we have to take but yeah we'll set everything else up good all right well thank you very
much all the work app thank you fin passing this that was some fun reading yesterday there was a lot I am still not an expert on STM water ellot I focused on the red areas yeah the dog the dog
was amusing so great like how can I not bring it you up would you like okay wow it is 6:30 on the nose uh so
I'd like to invite our next um Folks up for the agenda item number six Daniel ceri nice to see you again nice to see you how are you it's been a while last time I was here was 2019 I
was doing the math on my way here but it's for the same project I don't know how many of you you were on a select board yet I think you were a secretary at the time right yeah I was a town uh coordinator at the time now you're running the show huh no
I she's always the show um but really it's nice to um see you again I know you had reached out to our office to Our Town Administrator and um yeah which one's Tracy Tracy right here TR oh hi you're the one I've been
emailing with thank you so my name is Daniel ceri I'm here uh to promote this idea I have for a monument in Lakeville uh the stage that I'm at now is I have a partner and his name is Tom Frederick he couldn't be here tonight because he's
teaching a class in Cape Cod and it just the timing didn't work but uh he's my partner in this project he's a chief for the Pocono tribe which is one of the tribes Within in the Confederation and they love this idea of this Monument
for John sassamon who was murdered in Lakeville in 1675 depending on what calendar you use and this murder trial that ensued after that sparked something called King Philip's War which is the bloodiest war in American history if you
go by how many people were living here at the time it wiped out about 30% of the native population and about 10% of the English colonists over the course of about 15 or 16 months and we want to commemorate this
man is uh John sassamon who first of all he's a Lakeville resident and his daughter is Betty and that's why it's called Betty's neck they own that parcel of land at the time and the pocon NOA Community loves the idea we have a sculptor I drafted up some documents for
a nonprofit so I can start accepting donations I haven't filed the paperwork yet because it's kind of going to depend on how the feel I get from you guys whether you think this is something that you think is a benefit for the town and I've contacted the sculptor I've been to his
studio with Tom Frederick my partner and this guy's the real deal he's done monuments for people all over the world uh when I was there he was wrapping up something he was doing for Billy Joel for a project down on Long Island uh to commemorate
oysterman uh oy Bay Long Island and um I also have a donor for the first part of the project I haven't accepted any money yet again kind of get a hinge on how you all feel about this but the
way the process works with the sculpting is um I have a contract from the from the sculptor it's $55,000 and we get what's called a maette and that's like a basically a 12 to 20 in stack at you and
I would again I'm not asking for any donations or anything I can raise the money privately but all I'm asking is if I if I accept this money from my donor and if the sculptor creates this
mikette are you open to me just bringing it here at another meeting and now we can talk about speciic like how big it is I don't even know where it's going to go yet so I don't know how big it can be you don't want to drop the Statue of Liberty or something like that in the middle of Lakeville but you
know I'm thinking something like 10 or 15 feet somewhere on public land the native community that I'm working with they're not looking to reclaim land or anything like that um there's a lot of grant money with the CPC I've talked to
them they said essentially there's three factors on how you get CPC money and it's something like it's something like uh for historical purposes there's grant money for that there's grant money for um um public parks and there's one other
factor I can't remember but we qualify for that too so we qualify on all three prongs you only need one so I'm not looking for like Town money or anything like that CPC money the money is there I want it to go to me rather than another project and it's
going to be private donations all I'm asking is if I bring in this Monument would you be open to seeing it uh there's no obligation to you are you just open to seeing it and if so is there a particular public park where you think you'd be open to installing inter
Ting and creating this Monument for the benefit of the Town any questions Madam chair I if I can um I see that we have two members of our historic commission that I would love to uh invite up to the table I didn't even see Brian over there hi how's it
going see Brian yep we have Brian Reynolds and Nancy the fath thank you very much for attending um and I know I have quite a few questions that I think that um the board probably does as well um and I my
understanding is that you've had an opportunity to meet with Daniel and have conversation we have a history with this topic um prior to the 2003 anniversary the 150th anniversary in the 19 1990s we were pursuing the idea of a similar
project with because of the massive uh impact of the John sas's death on this area and the native population the indigenous population as well as the colonial and and the the ending result with King Philip's War and then the
devastation after that so we approached at that time it was probably called The Bureau of Indian Affairs or something like that in Boston and what happened was they said no that
John sassman was a traitor and that they would be very much opposed to us constructing or having a statue in his honor in Lakeville so we didn't do anything so in 2020 20 2003 when we had the anniversary
we kind of didn't do anything with that project and Dan came to us in 2018 and we talked about the experience we'd had back in the '90s and we didn't really feel that maybe the atmosphere had changed any or that the people felt any more positive about
John so we suggest had a suggestion that maybe acknowledging um the fact that the wamp ogs or native indigenous people were here for over 10,000 years and the importance of aamps at Pond we had originally thought at Shaw Park at the hand of Highland Road would be a great
site because there's such a beautiful Vista there you can still see some of the white Banks and all of the Native use and the migratory birds and everything it was just an important area so we were talking about maybe
something not an actual person statue but some kind of recognition or where we would talk about the indigenous people and things like that so we were in pursuit of information through 2019 and then of course 2020 we had covid and everything kind of fell off
the map but since that time time we've had our vice chair Joan vad Morton has done some contacting and she's talked to Mr Mills and Mr wixon who are part of the mash P and they basically said we don't do statues meaning they don't
do statues and that they have would like to come and talk to the historical commission about something that would be more appropriate so there's that there's that particular mindset that we were caught in sort of in the middle of Dan
that's my partner Dan really you want I I'll move over how about if I just move over so thank you you're welcome both Dean and this gentleman
have both talked at the Lakeville Historical Society programs for us in 20 in last year 2023 24 um so that's the right now that's the position of the commission is that we
need more information and we want to feel that everybody's on board with this and it's not just our decision but it would be sort of a group decision and then the final decision would probably rest with the board of Select could you rep now that my partner is here would
you mind repeating some of that um in in the 1990s we attempted to do something similar and we went to um what at that time might have been called The Bureau of Indian Affairs but it's called something else now and they basically said to us that John sasman was considered to be a traitor and that
they would not support us in any recognition of him so we didn't do anything for the 20 2003 anniversary um since that time we've tried to gather information from other people and just
most recently our uh Vice chair Joan gladu Morton has talked to two gentlemen Mr Mills and Mr I think it's wixon and they both said that um they're not interested in doing statues they don't do statues is what the comment was and
they would like to come and talk to the historical commission about something so how we could appropriately recognize the whole Nation perhaps or something like that so that's just where we are as a commission we are meeting in March um third Wednesday and that's going to be
on our agenda and hopefully we will if we if it's the if the gentlemen are not available to come that date that that we would have a special meeting um be hopefully no later than April you had something I'm sorry um so
in this day and age where you know every few months you hear another story about another statue getting pulled down somewhere across the country I mean how can we actually be sure of the information especially if the
previous uh Bureau of Indian Affairs back in the 9s felt as though he was a traitor and now Daniel and Tom are saying you know and we know the stories too I wouldn't want
anything Ed unless we were sure how do we know it's not a he said she said how do we know right and we would look and for to subst anate any point of view we would want letters signed letters not just
heay that's why we want to have um the meeting and and find out just what the position is because although I think you know I know that Dan has really enjoyed the research and and all the information that he's been able to share about John
sassman as a person whose ancestors were here but not in P area um they felt that he was not a Traer so I mean there's two cultures with opposing points of view and the historical commission tries very
hard to walk not so much the center line but to be able to give both credit and Credence to both opinions based on the fact that we don't know how the mindset was we can project but we don't really know what it was like to be a colonial person or to be an indigenous person
living here in in the early 1700s 1600s and 1700s here so for that reason we want to make sure that before anything is approved that that we know what we're doing and
for the same reason that you're I don't know if Daniel recognizes me but um I recognize you now yeah to run the drve clean yeah yeah um but I know he's very thorough um I know you know um some of the things you used to do back in the
day I was like wow he puts in so much time into everything he's doing but that's my that's my biggest concern is if we're going to you know put up um what we call it a memorial or a statue or
a I mean there's so much history here in Lakeville and we hear it you know through all conversations um with you know potential developments or you know areas of land um and you know I'd
like for us to do right by Lakeville and um I know we're already you know kind of a known area down here but there's some deeper history that I think you know obviously there's some passion for it um
to get it recognized so um May I respond to some of these comments oh so thus far should I am I supposed to wait um well I would like the board to um weigh in for what we've um heard so far okay we can do
that I can I have stuff um I mean I would say you know even in the early the the first few phases I mean once you've got your paperwork filed let me know I'll donate um I think regardless if somebody was a Traer or not a traiter for us to figure out now
is is going to be near impossible but it can still help to tell the overall story of what happened in this area um I grew up and rham uh King Philip's War was something that we were all taught back there I don't know if the history is accurate or not but they used to say that you know the Iron Forge it was in
you know Taunton rham we basically had a agreement with the tribe to say if we would fix their weapons they would not Slaughter our people right so to hear some of these names come in in the packet I was like wait a minute where do I remember this from oh when I was like you know fourth grade learning about this stuff the first time um so I think
it's a great opportunity to explore personally um I can never remember which parks in this town are operated by the parks commissioner of the Historical Society so I mean I look at something like tamarak Park as something that we've kind of neglected over the years haven't really put any money into it and
maybe there's a larger project that's possible there kayak launch kayak launch for remember candid very much like but I I love the idea and you know even if it's just pursuing more to figure out we don't really have much
like this in town we we we celebrate you know the tavern and some other things but there's nothing deeper really unless you happen a glance going down you know 105 in the woods but I'm I'm in let's at least look look at
it you know there's no harm in looking to Echo off some of member day's sentiments um we don't have like a center of town we don't have things where it's attractions where there's things to be looking at a lot of our
attractions are just the scenery um and looking at you know scenery it only goes so far there should be something to to be said for it um I think a statue is a lovely idea um I I don't know that we'll ever get any uh full agreement on on on
what role uh he played and depending on where you sit it's always going to look different um but I think if we can find out you know what it costs and some of the other ancillary things I I I don't
see that anything really prohibits that I think it's slightly controversial but we shouldn't sway away from things just for the fact that some people might not like them so um I would love to obviously defer uh to
uh to everyone in the historical as they they come up with what they think the best solution was uh for the town as they are the they're the reason where uh we're able to to talk about historical stuff and and have it they've got it codified and they've got a better grasp
on it well we're moving forward towards 2028 which is our 175th since we weren't successful prior to 2003 perhaps this would be something that we could work jointly with and then for it to be part of a larger project
maybe something that can go right along with something else um I hate that we do things ad hoc a lot of times we do things when the opportunity comes up and we're not really thinking systematically or an overall Venture some more planning would go a long way to making some
things a little bit more cohesive in town that's my comments ber did you have something yeah um so a couple years ago I was campaigning to have a a golf course purchased and turned into a park and I was going to name it after John
sasman so I dealt with some of these same people I had some of the same conversations um there was the idea that he was a Traer um which I think makes this better as an art installation than a statue of recognition because in he he
was a traitor in some ways because if he hadn't alerted the colonists the Native Americans would have killed everybody they would have won but because he informed them and he was able to be stopped it it we're here today so I
think if you're going to do it knowing that there's contention you have an opportunity to do it as a thought-provoking our installation as you know we are here today having these conversations and building it up as we did because this man did go back on his people and he wasn't raised with the
natives he was in an orphanage you know the history is all here um so in some ways he was a traitor but in other ways he wasn't so it's a very thought-provoking piece on this life and how life would be much different if it went a different way I think 10 to 15 ft
is a bit much I think 6 to 7 and the two places I could see it fitting in best would be on town hall lawn looking over as swsa Pond or the old library which is currently an Annex for the town hall because we have so many art festivals
downtown what you know downtown that people would actually be walking on the sidewalks and you know take time to see it and look at it um other places if you put it in a park where they have sports I'm afraid it might get defiled or you know gum on it and stuff so I think
somewhere that's not necessarily an active Park but a place that people will see it would probably be the best place for it if I may Madam chair my thought of the tamak was if if memory is correct wasn't he supposedly found under the I at oamp
Pond itself so kind of overlooking that area right town all would do the same thing okay so just um I know you you have a few uh comments too um but I don't want to lose sight that um we have some energy for you know to do something
um you know for the history of of Lakeville so um I think you have consensus of the of the board to pursue and and come back um with something that um you know we can
address so Madam chair the only thing before Daniel uh responds is if maybe you guys can just keep Andrew in mind that way if there's going to be a big meeting you can let him know and right we'll I mean I watch so many Town
meetings sometimes times not until a couple weeks after they've happened so I'd really like to um just be a part of the information process Gathering because we're trying to um have information funnel through the town
administrator's office um as the conduit to all boards committees and commissions and um so we just I will share that message here as well so go ahead please Leah I didn't know your full name was a
it is yes the name of the monument is going to be Canan which is Al gonin word that Tom taught me and it means all of us John sassamon was a Native American
who was a Praying Indian which means he was christianized and he helped translate the Bible into El gonin and I want to just explain some of the specifics of how we've told our
sculptor to sculpt this thing um he's going to have his feathers pointing down opposed to pointing up when the natives would wear the feathers up it meant it was time for war when they wore
it down it meant they come in peace and John sassamon was a man of Peace by trade he often served as a translator between the English and and the Indians and he's going to be holding uh
pipe and his translation of the Bible to represent this is a man of Two Worlds this is a man who would often preach Shermans as Tom has taught me about Kenan We Are All One M we are all one
this is where we this is the idea this is the direction we're going in this thing with this thing um ideally and again it's so early but ideally we want him to be standing on some kind of a footing that has like probably eight
sides on the footing and we'll have reliefs on each of the eight sides of the different people that tell the story including Josiah Winslow who was the governor at the time and King Phillip who was the chief at the time and a
bunch of others we'll let you know when we get closer um this is an opportunity for people to come and tell whatever story they want uh I'm all about free speech um this is going to be
that I instinctively envisioned it being near foot paths as select man donu was talking about I just that was exactly what I personally had envisioned um we can get more into the weeds as we get closer and we got a
couple surprises when you actually see this thing um the donor is Lakeville Christian Fellowship which is the church my dad is the pastor of and as I said there's no obligation to anybody I just wanted to get a sense of um whether you were
interested in seeing this thing and I'm really excited to hear that at least most of you are did you want to add anything about sason being a traitor I I would love to I uh to understand the the Dynamics of what was happening back in
early New England we even go as far back as meso and the spirit of compassion was what enabled uh the pilgrims to land and it was because of the group himself that he witnessed men women and children that
decided to help them during that first winter uh with that being said um like sason massao also uh was seeing as a betrayer to allowing strangers to come
onto the land which ultimately led to its uh Wars and everything like that so the concept of uh betrayal of the people is well well known I I feel that sassamon faced the same situation
learning to live in Two Worlds and being a mediator meaning that you can see the issues from both sides in both perspectives um with that being said I think that the focus of unification of
people and standing up for what you believe in even in spite of the circumstances ultimately it's about doing the right thing that's within your heart giving the information that you have at that time you may pay the price
for that decision but the story of Ken and how we still had a group of Native and non-native people coming together to support an ideal of helping one another being
compassionate I think that this story is can be found in all of us um how many decisions have we made that weren't necessarily the best ones but at the same particular point is it feir for organizations like the Bureau of Indian
Affairs or even the commission to see one side of it I think that as native people I'm not interested in one side of a story I'm interested in the full story because then we're embodying and embracing the concept that it's all of
us we have the opportunity of continuing to look back at look what you've done or we can look at it as an opportunity saying look at where we're at and what do we as human beings wish to say for it
and as a descendant of John sason uh I like to believe that the very principle of what I stand for I believe he did as well do I see the best of decisions no do I see a spirit that was
led by compassion absolutely and the fact that he was able to embrace Christianity as well as traditional Native ways showed that he was empathetic to The Duality of existing in Two
Worlds so I I certainly see this as an opportunity for us as people to move forward and perhaps traitor or mediator is the message that there will always be different perspectives from the Native
side as well as non-native peoples but yet this is an opportunity to see all the different angles of different positions and realize that at the end of the day it's not where we came from it's where we're facing and where we're going
and so the positions that we talked about earlier facing the Royal and Betty's neck really is an opportunity for us to come together as Kenan people a story of all people that no one pain is
greater than anyone else's we all know what pain is we all know what oppression is we all know what suffering is but I like to believe in this world that we're fighting for human rights not Native American rights not gay and lesbian
rights not black white red y whatever we're fighting to be treated as human beings let's make that the point again disparities exist some people have better opportunities at achieving the rights that are necessary and some don't
even have the opport opportunity but to be able to acknowledge that at least we're trying and that we recognize Kenan all of us it's a beautiful concept thank you Tom yeah thank you thank you for and LEL
is in a unique position that has this incredible story that was really the pivot of American history and 350 years I think the culture can handle this conversation and I think it's time how
um what are we looking for a time frame that you would be coming back you ever deal with artists before let me let me talk that too so yeah I get it his name is bucho you want your sculptor to be named buio but he's a little eccentric let me email him
tomorrow tell him how this meeting went and I will email Tracy is that okay and I'll kind of give you guys an idea of what he says and whatever he says assume it's going to be twice as can watch you can watch too I'm sure you know just point him in the direction of you know
Lake Camp he is an incredible artist uh but he is an artist so time is okay I was just curious to you know kind of see um look like we have a little work to do to you in April is sure that would give
us some time to talk and have April 25 26 the monument won't that little Monument won't be ready by then you know that right okay I think that just to go through the process that we the commission needs to go through and talk to people sometime in a maybe the end
towards the end of April sure of 2025 this year instead although we love history we don't like to spread it out if we can get things under so does it make sense for him to wait until historical is completed their part is
that what I'm hearing perhaps or I would think so but just to get all the information in one swoop instead of having it coming in right as an artist I mean it's not that he's going to start today but at least you can put them on alert
okay okay but we would try to make arrangements to have something happen in April with um the people that we would need to talk to and and find out where we stand in terms of that okay cuz we're looking at both sides we're looking at
some side and we're looking at the the other side and we need to make sure that we have the right kind of input to make a recommendation to the S board my excuse me my apologies I did not introduce myself personally as Chief
one anamal Tom Frederick of the chap aquic Pocono uh nation and uh we are willing and here to uh work with you and any information we can provide as a Lakeville resident we are here so anything we can
do to to help or to uh help facilitate we're more than uh happy to do so okay and Daniel if you wouldn't mind um and Tom working through Tracy so she has your title yes um accurate for the record yes okay well thank you very much
for coming out um as a learning to be a history buff um especially with Lakeville I appreciated the reading take care the and we always like it when
people are interested in history right right good to see thank you all right see you yes not very Gra