[Music] All right. I'm going to call to order the zoning board of appeals meeting of Monday the 16th of June at Lon Pond Lodge. Um, fortunately, we don't have an overwhelming number of folks here, so we're going to avoid we're going to do
our best to try to avoid having to use mics. Can everybody hear me at this point? Okay. So, I'm going to encourage everyone on our day as and obviously on the petitioner's day to speak up um as loud as you can. Um and we again we there's feedback with with the mics and
whatnot. So, we'll try to avoid using them. If we do need to use them, we will. Uh but my goal is to not have to use them. And I will tell you now based on the number of folks who came last time and the number of folks who came this time and there was at least one request last time for a better venue. Um
we our plan is at subsequent meetings to hold these back at the library which is a much better forum for people to be able to hear us speaking and and likewise for us to be able to hear your questions or actually not so much us hearing your questions but the audience hearing the questions from the other uh
folks here. So, having said that, I am going to reopen the Simmons Hill LLC continuence. And um at this point, I guess what I'd like to do is ask the petitioner if they can uh our focus is
going to be on archaeological tonight, but I know we left you with a couple of couple of follow-up questions in regards to the actual uh makeup of the revision on the um the proposal. if you could bring us up to speed on that as well and then uh take it from there.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, for your record, uh my name is Robert Mather. I do represent the applicant Simmons Hills LLC. Tonight with me um is Muhammad Itani, Ramy Itani uh with Simmons Hills,
Salem Kadura from Stonebridge Homes, and uh we have another guest tonight, Duncan Richie from Public Archaeological Laboratories, uh PLA. Uh this is a continuation of our application for comprehensive permit. Uh as chairman
says, the purpose tonight's meeting is to discuss archaeological and Native American issues. Um, however, before we begin, as chairman mentioned, uh, we introduced a new conceptual plan last time showing
176 single family units. The board asked if we would consider a portion of the units to be restricted to over 55. uh my client has considered this and has uh agreed to restrict 25%
um or 44 of the units to over 55 um with 25% of those uh units or 11 units as affordable units. So, if you look at the uh the plan, um if you look to the left,
actually the southerntherly portion of the development, um you'll see that's where the over 55s are going to go. Um you'll see the lighter brown um covering. That's the over 55s and the
darker red. Those are the the the uh the affordables. And you'll also notice interspersed um among the entire 176 units you will see those are the the
locations of the affordables. So in a in a recap uh there as I mentioned there will be 44 over 55 units 11 affordables and 33 market rate units all down in
that southerntherly portion. Uh there will be 132 non-age restricted uh of which there will be 33 affordable and 99 market rate units. So of the entire 176
units, there'll be 132 market rate units and 44 affordables uh which meets the 25%. Um, no other changes to the to the proposal other than the um uh the
addition of the uh over 55s 25%. If the board has any questions about that um how much space we're using? Um um if I can. Muhammadani with Simmons
Hill. Mr. Chu, you may want to speak up just so everyone can hear. Yeah. Uh my name is Muhammadani. I'm with Simmons Hill. Uh what I would like to add is that the total area of the community that we're proposing is 238 acres and
we're only developing 86 acres of that. So we're really developing 36% and then the rest is uh uh 64% are left in its natural phase. So, uh, we're not
we're we're only disturbing close to one/ird, uh, of the property. Okay. Thank you. Uh, I don't have any additional questions. I I am happy that you've agreed to make 55 and over 25% of the project.
Does anyone else on the board before we get into archaeological have any other questions or comments regarding this plant? I don't know. Uh before we jump into archaeological though, what I would suggest then is obviously we need to get
to engineering at some point. So um I would I would unless the board has any additional comments, I would I would encourage you to get moving on the engineering because I'm sure we'll have a lot of questions at that point. Um would what you're proposing? Um
at this point, um I don't have any opposition to it and I don't believe anybody else if anybody else has any opposition to the the general design. Obviously, we're going to have a lot of questions in engineering, but we need to have engineering plan back at this point. Nothing obviously is is pointed out to
us at this point. No, no, no. No. All right. You got a consensus. Get the engineering plans going there, sir, if you don't mind. Is that a vote or consensus of the board that we can proceed with? That's a consensus of the board. Engineering. We need engineering. That's our consensus.
Yeah. Um just so the board knows, um you know, it's going to take a while for the for the engineering. Um I would guess that we would need uh 3 months to do the engineering. Um which would probably
take us to uh the October uh meeting. Uh I checked the schedule that uh we had set up. Uh there is a meeting uh that is u reserved for October 20th. Um so when we finish up tonight, I think it would
be appropriate to ask for a continuance to the 20th of October. Um hopefully we'll we'll either have the arch we'll either have the engineering at that point or know pretty darn well how close we are at that point. We will deal with the continuence after the
archaeological uh study. So thank you. Okay. Who's up for the archeological study? Okay. As as I mentioned um we do have um with us tonight um Duncan Richie. Duncan um works uh with public
archaeological laboratory. Uh we engaged them to do a cultural resources due diligence uh study um which he prepared we did give to the uh to the board. Uh and I would like to ask Duncan to present his findings uh to the board and
to the public at this time. Duncan. Sure. Uh so as you mentioned uh PL public archaeology lab I'm going to ask you to use the mic. Okay. I know the audience is going to be able to hear you. This one? Yeah. You want to turn it on? I'll get it on for you.
Takes a second to go on. There you go. Okay. Um, so, uh, public archaeology laboratory. Pa, it's not working. Hello. Can you hear me? No. Where's Joe?
Try it again cuz I thought Hello. Can you check? Check. A little louder. Louder. How's that? That's not working or getting closer to your mouth. Is it working now? Louder. There you go. Okay. Uh, so PA public archaeology laboratory was engaged to carry out a cultural
resource due diligence study which is a very preliminary type of study to assess the archaeological sensitivity of a given project area. So the way that we approach that is to uh is several steps.
The first thing we do is uh background in archival research which includes looking at uh environmental characteristics like uh surface drainage, soils, slope, uh the surficial geology
uh to just get an idea of the environmental characteristics of a project area. And the other part of the background research is archival research. So, we're looking at historic maps, uh, in this case of the town of Lakeville,
uh, 18th and 19th century maps to see if, uh, there was any occupation there were homes or farmsteads that might have been in the in the project area or industrial sites like mills. The other source we use is the statewide inventory
of archaeological and historic resources that's maintained by the Massachusetts Historical Commission up in Boston. And uh we research that source because that is the statewide inventory of
identified recorded archaeological sites and also above ground historic structures. So that's another source we look at. Um and then the third piece of it was an actual
walkover survey uh into the project area to kind of ground truth some of the background some of the environmental information uh which we did. So we did this work approximately a year ago and
uh we produced a memorandum that's dated September 2024 and that summarizes the results. Um so generally speaking uh we did identify zones of moderate and low
archaeological sensitivity in the Simmons Hill project area. Um and those are depicted were depicted in a graphic. We also produced another graphic that was uh figure two in the memo which uh
shows known or recorded archaeological and historic sites in the general vicinity of the project area. We use a halfmile study area uh a search radius surrounding the uh
project area and uh to just that's just kind of our search radius that we use with the MHC in statewide inventory. Um, and you, as you've noted, those two figures were not in in the memorandum.
And the reason for that is is that the MHC, Mass Historical Commission, does not allow general public access to that statewide inventory. And the reason for that is to protect those resources from unauthorized
excavation, vandalism, looting. uh it's to protect the archaeological resources because there are people that will do that. Uh and so for that reason, the figure that shows the halfmile search radius and the identified recorded
historic and archaeological sites was not included in the version of the memo that you saw, but we do have it here tonight. Uh and uh our research found that there are no known or recorded archaeological
or historic sites on the statewide inventory that are in the Simmons Hill project area. Uh the nearest ones are more than a half mile to the south. Uh I think they're across the town line in Freetown. Uh pro some of them are in the Freetown
State Forest. Um so that was the real results of the background research. the results of the walkover survey. Um, we did see locations that again as I as I mentioned
have uh what we would rank as moderate sensitivity, archaeological sensitivity for both pre-cont period Native American archaeological sites and historic or postcont period Euroamerican sites and also
uh a substantial amount of low sensitivity which is primarily wetlands, steep slopes uh places that We know there's little or no probability to contain an archaeological site. Um, so if there are any questions, you
mentioned that you you walked the site with Betina Washington and we Yes, we also uh invited the tribal historic preservation officer from the Wampaog tribe of Gayhead Aquina to accompany us on part
on the walkover survey. uh because they expressed interest in the project and uh we we did do that so that she could see the project area and she joined you for this walk through walk she joined you for the walk over yes for
part yes from one day um what about this so the question I I guess maybe this is more so of a confirmation from me so it sounds like there weren't any significant historical sites within a half a mile of the
That's correct. Okay. And the second part of it is um does that include any type of Native American site items or anything like that that's registered and on file with the Mass Historical Society or is that something else? Yes. Yes. when we when we do the archival research
uh in the mass in MHC's um inventory that is both Native American and you know what we would call Euroamerican uh archaeological and historic sites. It's both it's both types.
Uh other board members have questions or well I can mention that go forward. Uh thanks for the report. Um, having read it, I was just looking for a little more clarification around how you define
um, low to moderate impact and then and sensitivity like and then um, the environmental attributes that you had also listed in there like can you just help me understand those terms better? Sure. there there there's actually a ta a table kind of a matrix in in the memo
with with uh environmental attributes but but we're looking at uh those characteristics that I mentioned earlier soil surface drainage slope um um if there are bedrock outcrops or bold
surface boulders things like that uh because we know that those are particularly important to identify uh potential to locations of Native American archaeological sites and that's also true to some extent for historic period Euroamerican sites. Um so it it
it's kind of a matrix of of those environmental attributes and then we try to ground truth that as much as possible during the walkover survey. So, an example of a low sensitivity area would be a a wetland. A wetland or a stream or
or a body of open water. Uh and uh in this in this case, a moderate sensitivity zone would be an area that has soils that are uh reasonably well drained. Uh may or may not have uh
surface boulders. uh uh probably 0 to 5% or 5 to 8% surface slope that that that type of um set of characteristics. Okay. All right. Thank you. And that's
that's based on our experience with uh a lot of years of of archaeological survey in in southeastern in southern New England and New England in general. So when it comes to this project, how should I interpret a moderate sensitivity in relation to uh It would
be it would be an area where there is some probability that there could be an archaeological site, but it's not as high a probability as a high sensitivity zone would be. Okay. So, it's it's kind of in the middle. You know, there could
be an archaeological site there, but there there may not be. Should we as a board know then where the area moderate sensitivity is and look at the figures two and three? Would that give us
I would say I would say yes. Yeah. So my understanding um is that you guys can in order to protect the the assets that are on the ground. You can look at it, but you cannot take pictures of it.
This way to try to protect what's there on the ground from from praying eyes or people that what what Duncan mentioned that somebody can go and steal some of the artifacts that are there or some damage the the the areas that are
protected. Y but yeah, we'll be more than happy to share confident confidentiality on it. So yeah, that's the that's the issue is the confidentiality. Uh I um I also wanted to mention when we
did the walkover survey uh we did identify one small what's probably a historic period research. There was a small stone lined well that we found. Uh we entered into the project area from
the south. There's an access point off of uh forgot what the street is. uh Freetown off Fretown Street. It's between two residential lots and uh there is a small stone line. Well, we looked around.
There was no associated seller hole or foundation. So, at this point, it's a it's an isolated um resource. Other questions? I'm good. Just I'm I assume we're going to look at two at some point. Yeah, if you want, you can.
Yeah. So, I let me I I'll comment um on that that we um I did check with town council as a reference point for for PAL um as a um organization and the references came back very good, reputable. But even
having that been said, doing our due diligence, we did reach out to um Neielson Thomas, who is the town's um engineer um peer review for this project. Uh they did they did review the um the report that was submitted by PAL
um and their only comment was they wanted to get clarification on references for figures two and three um and they've already explained what those were and why they can't be included in the um historic area design in the uh in
the in the public report. So um I guess we have a couple of options here if you don't mind. I think some of the board members may like to take a look at that. And I believe I'm not speaking out of school. If anybody wants to come up and take a peek at them, they can.
Unfortunately, Mass Historical Society, which I guess legally we can't have people taking pictures of them and looking at them. Fortunately, I guess with all the reality shows and treasure hunters out there, people are worried that people are going to go try to steal some rocks in the woods. So, um, who has
the, uh, the exhibits? We only have two copies. Let's Yeah, let's see. Yeah, that's all here. So, if you don't mind, we're going to pass it. We can just pass it. So, this is our site. This is the
study area half a mile around our site sensitive areas of our that proposed project that's the one that we do not want to share. uh you know the area moderate or
difficult areas which is an upland area but they didn't see anything when they were doing the walk through they did not see anything that uh there was a well somewhere here but it's it has no significance
if you don't mind passing these worried about somebody doing this radius he'll trust me in Excuse me. That's beyond that is what beyond those areas that you know and they see
what they really are. It's not where they're actually engineering. Uh so why don't we do this when that's going around again? Anybody can we'll make sure you have a chance to look at it. But if we don't have any additional comments from the board um
or any additional information from the petitioner, what I'll do is I'll ask the um folks in the audience to um honestly I'm not sure what I would do. I don't think I'm just lying on our This
is a half a mile radius. This is our site and this is half a mile radius. Those are the sensitive Mr. Oliver Mr. South of our site ask away. May I you may be our project. I think it's worth
mentioning that folks could we just uh if we could hold down talking in the back just so we can have a question. But I think it's worth mentioning that you may very well find that there are archaeologically significant findings that you're not going to find in the
state archives. And that's why it's so important that you are on board with our local people who know this property. So, please Thank you. Any other questions or concerns? Come on up. You know the You know the routine. I
do. Mary Jean Liberatory, 32 Freetown 32 Freetown Street. Yeah. Speak right into the mic. Okay. So, uh, one concern I had was that the way that the chart is designed, it does
discuss high, moderate, and low. But when you look at three of the highly sensitive areas, those are indicated as of moderate concern with any type of disturbance on your chart, if I'm
reading it correctly. Yeah, let me make sure I follow [Music] So on the far right it says sensitivity rating and there are nine that are
mentioned as high and three of them indicate that they are moderate degree of disturbance right so that and those are just of the known sites that are indicated Bob haven't grabbed the mic.
Uh yeah. So that is one of the things that we look at is is the what we can if we can see on the ground surface uh if there's been previous disturbance that is one of the things we look for during the walkover survey. So if we're walking
around and uh we can see that an area has been you know there's been soil stripping or uh gravel pitting barrel pitting you know that that becomes a low sensitivity area. That is one of the things we look at is is degree of prior disturbance and when they've been
identified is there further study that is done or is it just marked as okay there's moderate concern in three highly sensitive areas. Is there more study done? Is there more digging in case
there are not reported indicators or reported facts of information that's been found? Yeah, it it depends how the project in general proceeds. Um, any any further study would have to be requested by the Massachusetts Historical
Commission, the MHC. And who would make that petition for the Massachusetts Historical Society to do further investigation? Um well for example would be if a project uh was under review by
uh NEPA mass environmental protection act under under those criteria and would the mass environmental protection agency be also the agency that will be um reviewing your information that
indicates that um indeed the um involvement with wetlands in that area uh will connect to the Cedar Swamp River. Yeah, we we don't we don't do anything involving wetlands does Meepa
Yes. But that's not you know that's another uh that's another consultants domain. Okay. So it's referenced in your report just as a point of information. Well we we use we use wetlands to uh
estimate sensitivity. So, as I explained earlier, wetlands uh are an area of low archaeological sensitivity um unless we saw something like a historic period mill dam or something
like that. So, the fact that it could impact an ecologically protected area like the Great Cedar Swamp or the Ason River where there are white cedar trees that are um that's that yeah, that's excuse me, let me jump in here. So, if
you're talking about the environmental aspect, this is archaeological. He's not in a position to answer that. No, I understand that. The reason I raised it was because it was in the report. So I just wondered what the connection was between providing it as information in your report and and what the connection
is. Well, the connection is that there there's a strong association between Native American settlement and and water. Water, right? Indeed. And my next question is um given information that
you have um and have seen, what will the developer do around areas that have been indicated that are moderately I don't know. Will there be any sort of protection for
some of the natural stone and uh other features of this land given your investigation? That's yeah, that's more of a planning I think a planning question, a design question. That's it's a it's a fair question and um I guess
I'll if you have any comments at this point to make Bob or Muhammad, great. If not, please make sure it's incorporated into the planning phases of this. um if there's anything that's going to be done to try to protect anything and everything that you can. I mean, if if during during the development phase, if
we see any areas that that look like it's it's something that we need to look deeper into, we will stop and excavators know that usually when they see something that that's unusual or something that that we might look at, we
we will invite PL again to the site to take a look at those sites. Now, MEEPA is going to review the the application and and they usually might end up doing further studies on their own or they might request that we do further
studies. Okay. Thank you for that information. My question was a little broader also in terms of people that have lived in this area for a long time are very aware of the um the large stone
structures and I'm sure Kora Pur will have some more information but I wonder how you see that in terms of degree of importance as a developer and as a a reporter of
archae archae logical. Yeah. Yeah. That type that type of information from, you know, uh that's why we do coordination and consultation with Native American communities is to get that information. So, we absolutely take that into account. Okay. All right. Thank you. And
ju just to clarify, so so if if the project were to proceed through MEEPA review, MEEPA uh hands the cultural resource part off to the Mass Historical Commission. So, it's the MHC that reviews that component. I understand. I
was just curious that um not everything, as the former speaker said, might I mean, I don't know who runs or has run over these many years the historical society in our town or what kind of documentation may have been provided.
Um, and so it seems so very important to me as a resident and person who cares about the land and our community that we're speaking to others who may not be connected with PAL or on the Mass
Historical Commission, but indeed have local knowledge about the land and the the structures, albeit not buildings and foundations. s, but most certainly there are structures there. And I I was just curious about what degree of
participation and interest the developer and PAL might have in um looking for information that may not be documented but is most certainly real. No, I I I mean anytime we're doing uh uh I mean
again this is a very preliminary assessment. you know, if it were to move beyond this stage, yeah, we would absolutely consider input from, you know, if it's the Lake Bill Historical Commission, Historical Society, and and and and particularly Native American
Okay. communities. What I would what I would add to that is obviously there's a reason this is in a public forum. So, if someone from the Lakeville Historic Commission or others who have this knowledge that you're referencing, and I'm sure there are, they need to bring it forward as well. Right. If you're if you if you and I think we know there's
something that was there, but we need to get them to come here. So, thank you. You're welcome. [Music] Michelle Bellier from Road. Um, you mentioned earlier that, um, I might get
the numbers wrong, but you were developing 86 of 236 acres roughly. Um, is developed the same as disturbed or is a larger portion of that land going to be disturbed in the process of developing those acres? Um, well, we're
going to have house lots, so not all the lots are going to be cleared. So, the average lot size uh it's
22,000 23,000 uh 250 square ft. Usually for a house, you want to you probably want to have around 15,000 ft². So, most likely 8,000 ft² of those uh lots will not be touched will be just wooden. Now, if a home owner decides they want to
expand their backyard, you know, through uh on all of their property, they can do that. Uh but usually the 86 acres, probably even 25% of that will be undisturbed
out of the 86. Sure. But but beyond the lot perimeters and the road perimeters, is there going to be other areas disturbed for staging of equipment or materials, that kind of stuff? No. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the colors,
too, cuz that was added. Appreciate it. Other questions [Music] for first? Um, I represent I am the deputy tippo for the Naragansited Indian
tribe, 4425 South County Trail. Um, in Charle Town. Um, I'm also a member of the Picasset Wanog at 275 uh, Indiantown Road in Fall River. Um, Duncan, I think that with a preliminary
report, um, it is important to notify your existing federal tribes. I notified Deborah Cox in both July and August of my concerns. Um, we were not included. I know when Betina went out there, she really couldn't get in because of briars. Isn't
that correct? Both of you had issues with briars of getting in. There is very thick vegetation. Yeah. And so, um, it was, uh, I believe it was Mr. Slobo, um, a new archaeologist to America, um, who
was actually the one that did the walk over. How much of the property? No, I I I I also participated in the walk. So, how much of the 86 acres that are about to become 176 home sites? Uh, as much as was feasible to access and and what
would you guess? Uh, two days you spent Yeah. Probably probably as close to 50% as we could get. I mean we looked at a lot of it as much as was feasible gi given the given the the the vegetation and the wetlands.
So I would say we looked at a very representative sample of of the project area. Right. But um was there a reason why you didn't reach out to the narans? Uh well I know you spoke to de to uh the president of pal Deborah Cox. So, I
mean, you you were aware that we were doing the study, right? But I didn't know what day you were going out there with Patina. Uh, we would have to uh Well, all right. Let me let me listen. Let's let's do this. Okay. Let me just go back. General questions. This
isn't a trial. Okay. um with the the mass historic um statewide inventory. You you briefly mentioned and touched upon it on the back the last of your report was that this property it really doesn't matter
if it's in Freetown or Lakeville. Um because it's always been known as one. Uh we have 140 that actually goes through it. Um the Ottabon owns the other side where the Cedar Swamp is, but there is um a culvert that goes from
this property under 140 into the Cedar Swamp affecting the uh Long Pond. Um there have been maps that uh were available. Um and I know that um Diane uh Ducet who was in charge of doing the
Freetown side and Aaron Flynn um at the end of their investigation um which they really did focus a lot on the colonial or Euro um presence um at the front of the the property on Howland
Road. um they realized that there had been maps from the 1800s and early 1900s of some of these stone features. Um there are photographs within um our own archives or tribal archives of of
members visiting King Phillips Cave. Uh the balancing rocks which are pretty much in the um affordable housing leg of it. Uh the over 55 has several stone
features. Um there's a a huge uh table rock. Um you know, I think what I would like to to ask of the zoning board is just to table this report until the the next meeting and I will prepare a full report with the both the tippo of of
Aquina and as well as um MASHP to to present to you uh with better photos. I mean, I have pictures of caves that have walls in the middle of them. They weren't made by me. Promise you, they were made by us. Um, Betina and Doug
Harris went out there. Um, many years ago, uh, when during the time that Aquina was actually interested in purchasing the property, um, there are balancing rocks. Um, they were not just glacially
somehow balanced there. Um there are petroglyphs that are vital to this area because um Dyke Rock has always been had the myth and folklore of it not being carved by us um or by the tribal members
here. They say it's Portuguese. They say it was the Vikings. The petetroglyphs that are on this site in Lakeville are identical to Dyon rock. And so, um, I just would ask that the the zoning board of appeals table the acceptance of this.
We will work with Mass, uh, historic commission to, uh, rectify this report cuz it I don't like when I get reports, uh, from PAL saying nothing to see here. It's all moderate. Um, when I know that I lose sleep over this place, um, this
is the most special place in in all of Lakeville. It's Well, you're in luck. Okay. We don't need to accept a report. They're just presenting the report and we're a little ways away from permitting anything. So, what I would suggest you do is actually what you said if you could get Massto historical and
federal the other tribes. Yep. You know, not just the tribes. Remember, this is well, and I will I will also speak with the I mean, you can present whatever you'd like at certain points here, but we we we need to get something from Massachusetts or the federal level that says, listen, you can't touch this stuff. You can't do anything here. So
that's that's really what you need to bring bring back for us if we're going to have with the affordable units. Will that be through HUD? It's through Mass Housing, which is HUD funding. So that's my federal hook. Thank you.
Other questions? Are you applauding because you're ready for us to wrap this up? Is that what that is? Do we have any other questions or comments? Any additional comments from the board? Any questions
for the petitioner applicant? [Music] I Okay. Uh, anything else to add in regards to this? Actually, yeah, Mr. Mr. chairman. Now, if we did if we do do
find something of significance, it if we do find something of significance, it will be an asset to the community where we can protect that site, maybe put a fence around it and keep it in its natural habit the way it is today. So, it will only add to the to
the uh pro to the community itself. So, so if we do find anything of that nature, we will be more than happy to preserve it to to put a fence around it and and and you know, like I said, it'll be an asset to the community. Uh, you
know, and to emphasize again, we're only disturbing uh 36% of the of the overall property. So, there could be some areas outside or in the open space that, you know, they're going to be left alone. Nobody's
going to touch him. Thank you. Yes, sir. Okay. At this point, um, unless the gentleman from PAL has anything else additional to add, I'll take the head shaking no as he does not.
Sounds like engineering is going to take at least a few months for us to get finished with. Correct. So, um, rather than Go ahead, Mohammed. No, we're going to be uh on site. We have to do some perk tests. We're going to be doing, you
know, some engineering work on on on the site, some survey work as well as some some uh perk tests as well. Okay. [Music] Um, does anybody have any comments? I heard
a couple of people in the back. 165. Say it again. No one can hear you. Nancy Van Lovvin, 165 County Street, Lakeville. You're going to do perk test when she's saying it's sacred land. That makes no sense. You have to wait.
You have to wait. How precious this land is. He can't proceed forward with anything that he cannot legally proceed forward with. What I mean by that is for your information, they've been doing perk tests up there for many, many, many years. So, he's not
supposed to start the project. He can do testing of the land, um, which he has every right to do. We can't prohibit him from doing that. A a good archaeological test without that. Correct. Wow.
Okay. So, you're thinking October or October 20, I believe, is a day. We have a scheduled meeting for October 20th. We have a slew of them, but it sounds like there's nothing you're going to be able to bring before us until October 20th. Correct. Correct. Okay. So, you'd like a
continuence to October 20th? Correct. Will you add on the differential in the 180 days until then? Yes, we will. Okay. so as not to lose any of our 180 days. They will tack that on to the end between now and the October 20th
meeting. And as I promised at the last meeting, we don't have an overwhelming amount of folks here. So, we will have our October 20th meeting um 6:00 at the Lakeville Library, so it'll be a little easier for us to all hear each other since we're getting along so well right
now. Um can I ask a question? Well, Mr. Go ahead. Sorry. You got to come up. If you're going to ask a question, you got to come up. [Music] Charlene Conway, 14 Brookstone Drive in Lakeville.
What happens if things are disturbed? They can't disturb anything they don't legally have a right to disturb right now. They can't start digging foundation. But a perk test, they've been doing perk tests. You can perk your property. You You can disturb your own property.
your own property. But what if what they're saying in the argument about what's finding there gets disturbed? The rocks, the the arch we can't tell them not to do engineering on their own property. We
cannot issue a permit for them to start their development, but we cannot tell them to not scrape around and dig around in their on their own property. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, anyone want to make a motion
to continue this hearing until the 20th of October, 6 p.m. at the Lakeville Public Library? I'll make said motion to continue to October 20th. Do we have a second? Second. Any further discussion?
All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Next meeting of the zoning board, not for Simmons Hill, but for our regular meeting is Thursday, July 17th, 7:00 at the Lakeville Public Library. And we will see everyone at the library on 20th for the next Simmons
Hill area. I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Second. Do we have a second? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Meetings adjourned at 7:5.
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