##VIDEO ID:Of2LZTY5F-s## [Music] okay calling to order the zoning board of appeals meeting for Thursday November 21st at the Lakeville Public Library first question is other than Lake cam is anyone else recording this meeting okay I don't see anyone waving a hand so we'll assume the answer is no the first agenda item is the uh horin or heran I apologize whichever way is incorrect hearing continued on 21 and cond drive so can we have the petition come on up I know when we had left the meeting last time there was some questions in regards to what the shed structure was going to look like and I know we got some preliminary sketches that um were submitted to the building department but I think we have some revisions maybe I did some revisions I know one of the complaints was the height of it I tried to drop a two-p for them I'm going to pass this down in a second [Music] look at that [Music] thanks well he dropped it from a 912 to 612 [Music] anyone have any comments questions in regards to that um plan obviously Dropping It 2 fet limits the size of what you can store and put in it which I think is a step in the right direction um does anyone have any questions for the petitioner in regards to now that we do have the sketch of what the uh shed building is going to look like yeah just a quick question go for it it is the whole structure on uh son tubes or is there a full wall the main structor on a slab the the shed roof just the overhang on the side that's on sonit okay you went down this end the table don't have any questions I don't 276 I can you can see yeah I guess you could question are you good well the question I was looking at it and I thought the question of adus you know what additional dwelling units it's coming up uh I'm unfamiliar enough okay well and then we won we can talk about that later that's we can talk about later but just got nothing to do with this one so um any additional information other than obviously I know we asked you to bring this back anything else you wanted to yeah I mean that's that's really it the only other thing I brought was something similar to my case it's a picture of another house in the neighborhood that has a shed on a corner lot that's within the setback so unless you want this picture as well you can show it to us if you want yeah it's just an example of kind of how they they're on a corner lot and they can't get that structure yeah okay that's it's what he's building those guys want to look at it or we'll pass it down so while we're looking at it if you have nothing else to add is there anyone in the audience that wants to speak in regards to this how you doing good how are you proba I'm actually 79 Street middle I'm here on behalf of my parents ler and Al Ry we're at 19 in cond Drive a director butter to Mr horen um their main concern is that this is going to be an expansion of a business in the residential neighborhood Mr laen runs his business out of his home at 19 in Ona drive he keeps his trucks there he keeps his machine s he has been doing that since he Incorporated his business however long ago my parents are okay with that as it is now with this building with they concerned about expansion they don't want trucks and trailers coming in out of a residential neighborhood it like I said last time this is a quiet quiet street if you don't live on this street you have no business on this street doesn't go anywhere doesn't come from anywhere it's not a cut through it's it's nothing unless you live there you shouldn't be there that's what they want to preserve it's been that way since they moved in in 19 what 80 43 years ago 43 years that's what they're trying to preserve is the the sanctity St at home in a residential neighborhood it's not zoned for business but if he wants to run his business as as owner operator they're all right with that he hasn't if there hasn't been a problem before even on the way here my mother's telling me she doesn't want to fight with her neighbors she hasn't in the 43 years they've been there so doesn't want to start now what they would like to see is some type of restrictions put on this property that there are no more buildings put on there because that could absolutely lead to a an expansion of a business and they want some type of protection protections that when his business he's seems to be a very good businessman and I'm absolutely 100% sure that his business will expand when it does expand he has to expand someplace else he can't be running his business out of a residential neighborhood like this that's the concern so if you if you guys can put some restrictions in place that make sure that this business doesn't expand or there are no more out buildings built on this property we don't have an issue with with with anything but that's the concern is the expansion of a business in a residential neighborhood I think it's a valid concern there are already trucks and trailers on that property the r machine's on that property as it stands now there's no issue when it starts becoming more and more successful and it will like I said he's a smart guy and he's running a good business he needs to expand his business into a properly zoned area this isn't the place to run a business out of it's a residential neighborhood I grew up there I used to mot long long before he was born you know this this is their property they've been here for 43 years raised a family there they' like to see the neighborhood stay a neighborhood not a business you know there's plenty of opportunities for businesses all over the place lakevi M anywhere you want there there's plenty of opportunities let's keep the residential neighborhoods residential thank you thank you uh do you have any intention on expanding the business to more than than what it is currently I live on 3/4 of an acre I don't know how much more you can expand a business from a house we're working on a child I just I got 66 of uh I walk through the neighborhood 66 houses is what I counted 46 of them have a shed or an accessory building that's almost 70% of the houses it's it's not out of the realm for me to just have a shed it's bigger than most I get it's I get that but as he mentioned I mean I work construction I have my construction supervisor's license I have the knowledge to do a lot of work myself so I have mitter saws table saws I have a bunch of tools it's all cluttered in my garage right now like I said I'm trying to we're working on a child like to have my garage SPAC back but as far as the expanding of business goes I mean he mentioned I'm a smart businessman I don't think he has anything behind that to prove that but for that in order in order to get bigger you have to go outside of your house I mean I'm not building the business out of the house as an owner operator I can have all that stuff on the property and that's kind of how I plan to keep it just with what's there so it sounds like you need to make more space in your garage so you can put toys there you need this so you can put the equipment there yeah I mean I have a list of all the stuff that's going in there already because one of the issues was they said it was too big but that space fills up quick with lawnmowers 12T kayaks miter side all all sorts of stuff okay but no a business is not getting run out of my house any more than it current any any more than keeping the it's construction so construction goes to jobs it doesn't happen at my house so I'm going to ask the council's help here a little bit um as far as putting a restriction on uh if we were to Grant the special permit um we have Protections in our bylaws anyways as far as what what can be done on residential property correct correct so your um your special permit is essentially a it's a dimensional special permit because the use as a as a shed the use is allowed um under your zoning bylaw for home occupation which is permitted with um simply just an approval by The Building Commissioner um there's many many Protections in there the home the home occupation can be within the dwelling has to be less than 25% or one accessory building um and um there um no more than three commercial vehicles registered to the home occupation or any employee shall be parked on the premises um any such vehicle shall not be offensive as to noise emissions odors vibration um the vehicle should not be more than um or Trail they can't have a trailer that's more than 6,000 lb um the trailer and the Towing vehicle cannot exceed 26,000 lb so there are plenty of Protections in here that would be regulated by Nate by The Building Commissioner so even though they're in our bylaws um there's nothing that would prevent us from reiterating that as a condition on the special permit just to keep everybody honest and on the same correct it could be um it could be part of your findings okay um anyone else in the audience have any other comments regarding this petition any other comments from members of the board questions no so we're at the point where we have to make a decision do anyone inclined to make a motion one way or the other with or without conditions would anyone be willing to make a motion to Grant the permit uh as applied for with the revised um building plans um and include the condition that uh Amy has just yeah I can help you with that instructed us instructed us with to make sure we get the verbiage correctly anyone willing to make that motion so I'd like to make a motion that we approve based on amies forage for the revised uh plans that we just received yes okay any do we have second me I agree I can see both sides of the story but I think adding those conditions in will at least reiterate to everyone here including everyone watching that what the intention is is a second okay we have first and a second any further discussion we do okay Jeff was not here for the first one so we do still have five folks actually we need four is a minimum but uh Jeff you're not voting on this one nope and if we have no further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries you good to go Cappy tell them what's next uh we have two weeks to do the paperwork that it's filed for the town clerk where it'll stay for 20 days if there's any appeals if there are no appeals then uh I'll I'll let you know you can come pick it up you have to record it at the registers all right thank you so I just got to wait for it in the mail or wait uh I I'll call you I'll email you to let you know if there thank you okay thank you good luck okay next agenda item question sure could you tell me what you just did so in a nutshell he can put the shed up uh with the revised plans which are actually a little smaller than the ones that were initially put up but there's what's called a condition um that we put in our findings so the permit gets issued but it basically says the town has certain rules and regulations in place within our bylaws that do not allow anybody to expand a business beyond what is considered a home operated business which is sounds like is what he's doing right now so he's not going to be able to expand it beyond that those protections are already in our bylaws we're just reiterating it so so everyone remembers down the road that don't go further than you're supposed to go with your business operations in your home okay thank you you're welcome okay buds goods and service ma Corporation hearing good evening hang on hang on I got to open up the the hearing first and then I'm going to turn it over to you to tell us what you're doing so Lakeville zoning board of appeals acting in ordance with Mass General Law chapter 4A is amended will conduct a public hearing on Thursday November 12th 2024 7:00 p.m. at the lakevi public library for Precinct Street upon the petition of buds goods and services ma Corp the applicant has requested to amend their special permit 24- 04 approved on April 25th 2024 and filed with the town clerk on May 17th on the section 27074 .44 to expand its existing use to allow for 24-Hour operations and increase the number of employees from 20 25 to 35 with a maximum of no more than 15 employees per shift the pro shift the property site is 475 Kenneth wal drive and is owned by Green Peak LLC all the applications and documents were available at the planning department by appointment okay now you're up tell us who you are and what you doing here all right thank you I'm Phil Silverman I'm here with Stella Johnson from the company um and we're seeking uh to essentially expand uh um our operations at this facility I if I look familiar I've been here before doing a similar thing uh with you um so the good news here the reason we're doing is is the company's doing very well and they're trying to maximize uh you know this the space which has some limitations um and you know we want to try to accommodate those as as they've been explained to us so um you know previously we've been operating from 6:00 a.m. to 10: p.m. we like to do 24-hour operations here we can do it in three shifts um and uh the when when we file the application we had asked for a couple things we asked to uh you know do the 24-hour operation we also asked that uh we expand the maximum number of employees that could be on the property uh in a given day from 25 to 35 the Health commission uh Mr Cullen got back to us and said your septics assistant can't handle that but he said it's got to the max has to be 30 um which we're fine with we'll work with that so I think he was fine with that um so that's what we would be sort of amending what we filed to ask that the limit be up to 30 expanding from 25 again because that's changed a little and we're trying to have some flexibility here we also wanted the maximum number of employees um on the property during any given shift to be up to 20 um there are 23 parking spaces that's that's another limiting factor here but we think with the three Extra Spaces that's going to be able to accommodate um you know assuming we had that many employees that that parked which we probably don't most of the time uh but also any visitors uh that come or you know people doing deliveries so it it really is just sort of maximization of the space um fire chief also weighed in wanted to make sure that um we you know kept the access Lanes clear uh which I I think has always been a part of the condition and we're happy to do that as well so again just to summarize 24-hour um operation with three shifts uh maximum of 30 people on site on any given day and a maximum of 20 employees On Any Given shift excellent okay I'm going to read a couple of uh memos into the record so the first one well did you print up the revised one only okay so I'm going to read two he Board of Health members just so we have them in the record uh we received one on October 30th the Board of Health has received a petition for hearing 475 tennis W drive and has reviewed the existing septic plan for the building current septic system is sized for maximum 30 people per day the applicant wishes to expand to a 24-hour operation with 35 employees they will be required to expand their existing septic system that's from Ed Cen so based on your what you just told us we also received a memo late this afternoon uh to confirm what you said you've discussed with them uh the Board of Health that is uh so November 21st Board of Health agent has spoken with the representative for buds Goods the Board of Health does not have any issue with the expand with expanding the number of employees provided the total number of employees does not exceed 30 employees per day uh the current septic system is sized for 30 employees per day which limits the number of employees working in the facility per day so Board of Health has now given you the thumbs up as long as we if we were to issue the revised uh permit keep it to 30 we also have a memo from the planning board dated November 15th at their Thursday November 14th 2024 meeting the planning board reviewed the above reference petition for hearing from the board of appeals the board had the following concerns it appears that the parking is already pass capacity the amount of ADA parking spaces remains in compliance and fire and emergency vehicle access so having read that I am also going to which ties into this read a email memo that we received from Mike O'Brien the fire chief uh I visited the location today observed that there was not any available parking all spots were occupied I have no objection to increasing the number of parking spots on the condition that the existing fire department access is not to be impacted or reduced a fire access W was required at the time of the last major modification of the building as a permit condition the access runs along the front of the building and along the back side of the property this Access Lane requirement still stands additionally access to the sprinkler connection must be maintained so what I can make out of these two memos are we may have a little bit of a parking issue let me able to comment on that bring us up to speed I I'm not aware I I think my client can speak to that as a general proposition that we are over capacity of parking there was an issue today uh they have twice a year they have a hiring event potential uh you know uh employees come visit interview uh there were a lot of people there today and uh we don't have any argument with what the fire chief was saying that happens twice a year MH we're not but other than that and and we don't have a parking issue there usually there's at least a couple spaces that are uh vacant um more often than not probably five or 10 so I'm not sure quite where that one was coming from but um you know the condition's going to be pretty clear if if if we get what we're requesting that um you know that we'd have no more than 20 employees and obviously you know we have to keep those Lanes clear just a more of a question of curiosity is there any additional space to add parking spots if if you needed to or how um I think we're a little bit limited because of how close the water is actually do me a favor can you kind of share the mic cuz happen you're never going to they're never going to catch you on Lake Camp I think we're just a bit Limited in the back because the the water comes pretty close um there's potentially some rejiggering we could in the front to maximize the layout okay um and we can we can look at that I think people are just a little bit sloppy with their parking jobs to be honest so they just need to keep it a little bit tighter that's the larger reason and I know you're representing um buds Goods just your name for the record so of course Stella Johnson okay thank you yeah what's your role what's that what is your role I'm the director of compliance okay Mr chairman just um I have a question about the math so um 30 people total for the entire 24 hours but 20 people per shift so will you have a shift that will have 15 people in a shift that will have five and a shift that will have five yeah if we if we had for example 10 uh 20 people on a shift M we couldn't have more than 10 on the other two ships oh see I'm not good at math I didn't I did that wrong but okay so right now you're 6:00 a.m. to 10: p.m. is that two shifts that's two shifts and how many people do you have right now in each in each shift come on up it varies from you know about 8 to 8 to 12 right now we just I think put out six letters from today's hiring event so you know that that'll expand in a small way but we're still within the limits of our current permit so if you have if you have 8 to 12 people per shift right now and there's parking concerns because I don't think that the letter at at least the planning board letter was before today correct so if there's 8 to 12 people on a shift now and there's and there's parking concerns wouldn't it be problematic to allow 20 people per shift with regard to the parking per shift is maybe the wrong phrase okay you know 20 people parked at a time I mean I don't know that's kind of what we're what we're saying and you're it it would have to be on a shift because you still have the 30 limit altogether right I mean we don't anticipate third shift being a large shift but there is some need to have you know a few people working um to to finish jobs as I said we're I think we would dispute the characterization that we're having a parking problem but whatever it is it is and we have to meet the the standard that let me let me ask a question so at this point you have how many shifts two two shifts so the 24 hour is is to create the third shift right what time is the third shift um the third shift would be we end at 10 so 10 to 10 to 6 yeah 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. MH and are you going to increase the number of folks in any of the other shifts that are working for you they they all sort of fluctuate you know on a day-to-day basis some people are out some people come in so as long as we have that overall cap um I guess my question is right now for Ian's sake if you have 18 people coming in for the first shift sure are you going do you see yourself having 24 people coming in for the first shift now or is it or is the addition near those numbers for on one shift I think what if I understand I think the the point is that there may be days and just for Staffing reasons and otherwise where you may have uh you you know a morning shift that has 18 people the next day it's possible the morning shift will only have 12 people but are the shift numbers going to change with this ask I guess if if you're asking for 24 hours is it strictly because of the third shift or you going to increase the number of people that going to be working on other shifts too oh no it's it's largely because of the third shift I feel it's already increased per shift because you came here originally saying you wanted 15 per shift and I as I heard it correctly and correct me if I'm wrong you're not going to 20 well when when when we originally asked for so you're starting from you wanted 3 five and then you got oh you need to expand your septic and you said oh I don't want to expand mytic from 30 now I'm going to go from 15 to 20 well because we having come down in employees we're looking for more flexibility within each shift than what we pres than what we had before so so it it's again the the idea here is and and if 20 is not a good number for you if you want to say 18 I think we could live with that it's not if she's looking at me like but you know the point is it's very when you're if you're asking us to say there'll never be more than 18 on a morning shift there might be 19 on a morning shift um you know or there might be 15 it it fluctuates all over the place all the different shifts can fluctuate depending upon circumstances and what your Staffing uh can do and availability of your employees so um you know we're we're not we're trying to we're trying to expand into a property that has its limitations we understand that we're just trying to get the maximum amount of flexibility on this and that allows 30 employees per day and then what can we do per Shi so that we have the options that we need if one shift have has to be bigger than some of the other ones sorry I can understand I can completely understand the variability in Human Resources um just want what is actually the negative impact if you ran out of PO for a particular day because you had to expand your resources for that particular shift like what is the worst case scenario they Park where well it becomes a problem because I I I assume the area is not rif with other parking that we even be allowed to have in the first place so it would require some sort of maybe car pooling or other types of Transportation ideas we're willing to live that's something you guys work out anyway well or are you talking like parking on the street what we're trying to do is give us no we we are we do not allow parking on the street it's yeah we don't want to be lumped in with so how do you enforce that what's that how do you enforce that we don't have more than a certain amount of people on site at at any given time okay but you're saying people Park you know poorly we have plent we have plenty of parking right now so if someone's parking and taking up one and a half yeah you know it's it's not really a big deal right now but obviously when it is a big deal they'll need to park within the lines okay do we know how many spaces there 23 23 spaces so I'm looking through this I don't know if um Amy you have any insight do we did we because because again in their application they they they called out the number of employees um per shift um obviously because they're dropping it down to 30 they' like a little flexibility do we have a per shift employee number previously cuz you've had two shifts um well I think it was 12 before it was 12 before per shift same amount of parking spots 23 right so yeah I guess my concern is we're going from 12 to 15 is a little jump it want 20 12 to well now now it's up 20 it was on the application it was 15 that's right yeah yeah I missed that okay so that's your final version right today you guys we want to work with you together we want to work with you and we want to get the maximum number per shift that you're comfortable with okay so who else so who else comes into the facility I mean you guys are a a grow facility correct no we're not a grow fac manufacturer a manufacturer you're not you're not retail let me put it that way we're not retail so if you have 15 people you have 23 spots today obviously you had a a job fair um but short of something like that who else comes to the facility uh you know you you will I'm sure correct me if I'm wrong um you'll get some people who potential customers you know who want their products manufactured they'll come and visit they'll want to see the facility they'll want to meet um you will also get some vendors uh bringing product packaging materials that sort of thing um obviously it's possible that you'll have a visit uh from some local authorities just you know inspecting monitoring but it's not you know generally a heavily impacted site in terms of people other than your employees you said there was potentially some room if you were creative to put a couple more spots out there not a civil engineer obviously so yeah we don't have a in the presence of not updating our site plan no we're we're sticking with with the 23 parking spots we have right now we would have to I'm going to sit on this for a second question so on the days where there's an influx of um visitors where where do they go where do the car what happens like today for Park here I I think the you know the disconnect seems to be that you've got somebody telling you that there are par parking problems at this facility um no I'm I'm not like really referencing that just you said vendors come um poal customers come so what what's the procedure when you're over capacity for Pock other than a couple of days you know which we mentioned it hasn't been an issue they're we're lucky their tours and things are transient so people we they're scheduled so they may come in and you know they're in there for 30 minutes and then they're gone so there's never a situation where people live there they can't park and they Circle the um no industrial p no no just if we get a 53f footer delivery they're delivering a pallet of packaging they may be a little upset CU it's a little harder to navigate the parking lot but you know take down with a forlift and it's not a not a problem so I'm back to that to 20 per shift number right so you talked about having 15 so what's the justification of going from 15 to 20 now like why did you make that jump we I we were trying to come up with the maximum amount that we could have on a shift to allow us flexibility if it worked out for us we always said gez you know nobody can work this late shift we're going to need to put more people on the early shift you know we'd like to be able to get 20 okay and thinking we never really need more than three extra spaces can I stop you please can you operate the business maybe this is not a question for you but maybe a question for you and I don't I'm not quite sure why a director of compliance is present but can you operate the business on 15 employees per shift can we operate the business with 15 employees that's probably a question for the director of operations more this is exactly why I made that wrath last comment I'm missing I'm missing the the point um the point here they've got a certain number of things they have to get done let's just say they have a number of employees who can't make it on an early shift one day yeah and so you still need to get the work done but you've got to shift employees to another shift they just want to maximize their opportunity to do that on a shift so you're saying can I operate 15 Maybe not maybe they can't get everything done I'm working off the basis that you original your original application right ask for 15 right now you come tonight and say it's 20 I understand right I understand so you could have done it with 15 when you filed this application a month ago well with 35 employees that that would have been a lot easier okay but it may not be so easy when you drop the number of employees it changes a little bit you played a lot of Word Bingo number I'm trying to I apologize if I am all right so other questions from other board members at this point yeah what what is what is a number you can live with besides 20 which number per shift per shift yeah I mean 18 so you'd reference which I completely respect did obviously we're you're you're not someone who's going to be able to figure out from an engineering standpoint whether they can the extra parking SP spaces and whatnot put in there um I I think the point of that is this business is expanding rapidly right okay there's obviously some limitations on the property we may I may be in front of you in six more months right it seems like I have been like just about every 6 months and at that point I think it becomes obvious if we're going to look to expand further we need to try to figure out other parking we may need to figure out septic as well I'm just trying to give them maximum that you're comfortable understandably and and I wish you keep expanding and expanding for the business's benefit but you know we need to take a look at it from from our side of the table here so my my maybe my ask if if it's possible is because I agree it sounds like CU you've been before us a few times now and you'll probably be back again because you're going to continue to grow um I I guess you're here today you're growing and coming back and asking us for something six months nine fronts from now when you get to that point you may have already started to have that parking issue so if we can if we can be assured that listen we're going to have enough parking for what we permit right now um I think it puts us in a better position if if we if we turn around and say listen parking spaces aren't going to change I'm not so sure we're going to say listen okay good you're good with 18 spots or 20 spots or whatever it is we may say listen what's stick into 15 if you can come back and say listen we we we can fit into with three more spots now all of a sudden you're in a better position to have us say all right maybe we can maybe we can expand the parking as well I again is that is that an option to to look at that to do to do what not give us any expansion no no no not you that the parking is not is that what you're looking for and Assurance parking is going to be yeah my concern and and and different members of the board a concern is are we going to have a parking issue no yeah but how how are we assured we're not going to have a parking issue well I'm I'm a little troubled that apparently there's somebody that's been come by and found this and hasn't spoken to us about it I I don't get that if that's an issue we need to address it you know that's it's a condition that this is all part of the existing special permit if if there are issues we would like to hear about it and obviously we're going to have to try to accommodate I I I'm you know we need to live with with whatever we decide with you today um you know we just you know she's asking for 18 um you know on any shift yeah I think the issue honestly is in we get our information we have time to digest it look at it sure the initial information we got up until honestly we sat here today because of what happened with the septic was 15 right we haven't had any real opportunity to do whatever due diligence any of us want to do on a number that's changing within the same day y so that's why I'm thinking rather than us just saying we're just uncomfortable you know all of a sudden the number changed from this to this based on whatever the whatever force that change um it's not always in the applicant's best interest to have us to make a kner decision as I'm sure you realize yeah I have a question of the board members actually for the board members yeah I mean like what makes you think we're going to answer you Chris no I mean separate from the septic issue what is the number of employees really matter like say they had a car pooling bus right and they brought in 30 people and they only used one spot for the bus like would anyone care like if if parking is the issue I think the responsibility should be having to deal with the parking issue and not really be directly tied to employees cuz let them work that part out a septic I can understand because that's not really in there control as much um but I agree I agree in your with your your statement you're saying listen if they brought in a bus or something that brought in 30 at a time um but I think we have to prepare for I don't want to say the worst case scenario but in this case probably the more realistic scenario most people drive themselves or maybe a couple of people carpool if they were to come to us and say listen we we're going to have a bus that drops these people off and of the you know 20 people on that shift we you know we're going to condition it that you know the bus takes care of 50% of it then then that way we know there won't there won't be any yeah no EXA I guess my point is they should be enforcing like the parking not based on number employees but however they can literally manage it themselves right if there's no parking issue like they said I mean why is it tied to the number of employees necessarily you know that's just my thought let let me try to shortcut it and get us to where I think maybe this could work tonight go for it um I think hopefully if the the Board of Health is on board with the 30 uh I haven't heard of the 30 per day I haven't heard anybody object to 24 I'm going to I'm going to speak for myself on that one the board of Health's good with the septic I'm good with the septic I'm staying in my lane on that one okay okay uh I haven't heard anybody necessarily object to 24-Hour operation it's the per shift issue we said 15 originally let's just live with 15 if we want to try to expand that we'll have to come back to you and give you further Evidence about how things are going but that that I think we can just we'll have to live with yeah the uh uh I'm sure you have an engineer uh tell them to lay out the parking if you do angle parking you can get more that's it that's just an exercise we we'll as I said yeah that's I think he's just giving you as a suggestion for I think it makes sense U and and to the ENT that we're going to have to come back and say to you we really need more than 15 per shift I think we're going to have to address the issue that way so okay to work that way um I'm gonna hang on Amy no we're not we're not finish it Jerry Amy do you have anything based on the packing comments at this point no I don't no all right Jerry thank you so the setic system is 30 employees per day correct per day per day 24 hours a day and you want how many employees per shift it's up up up 250 up two is the key right so what if you exceed 30 employees of the day no no no that's the point is if we take 15 in in a in one shift we can't have more than 15 on the other two shs other questions anyone down this end on anything outside of the parking uh let's see where's the other carment that they obviously if you're not changing the number of people on oh does 12 to cuz we're at 12 right now you go into 15 does that impact the number of ADA parking spaces I honestly don't know off the top of my head doesn't Okay okay so I just had a quick question on the 24 hour up op ation are you expecting any um deliveries or supplies coming in after hours like buiness thirdd shift hours yeah just employees working inside the building yeah mostly tying up loose heads but yep just employees working and you're on Kenneth wal's Drive anyway so they won't be driving by yours and my house okay so with the increase of the third shift the security plan would have to be updated so you'd have to work with the police chief on that's fine yep of course anything else we should be inquiring about or asking about I'm just going through your bylaw now so everything else seems okay okay so if we were so inclined to Grant this would the do we need to condition the updated security plan or that by Statute anyway I would say that the special that the increase in the sh the increase in the operation cannot happen until the police chief signs off on the security plan [Music] okay do we have any public comment anyone in the audience have any questions comments okay what's the board's pleasure I'm I'm think what should we Grant the application the petition up to 15 employees addition per Shi up to per shift with a maximum of 30 yes per day um and it's contingent um or the condition on the police chief signing off on the updated security plan due to 24hour operation due to the due to the 24-hour operation right okay is that your motion that's my motion do we have a second a second any further discussion all in favor I I opposed nay abstain motion carries okay thank you I appreciate your patience you're welcome thank you okay next agenda item Robinson hearing 18 fures Road let me get [Music] the uh where are we Robinson okay Lakeville zoning board of appeals acting in accordance with Mass General Law chapter 4A as amended will conduct a public hearing on Thursday November 21st 7 p.m. in the Lakeville public library for Precinct Street upon the petition of Michael and Tara Robinson special permit is requested under Che under the section 27- 6.3b in section 27074 B5 to place excuse me a 10x20 shed within the setback on a pre-existing non-conforming law is provided by the lake boss property site is 18 full assures Ro all the application and all sort of documents were able to be Vie at the planning department by appointment okay who's here on behalf of the applicant it looks like we have the applicant and the contractor so who wants to I am the who wants to tell me what you're doing okay I okay what we're want to do is we want to remove the old shed saw that that's down in the and we want to put the new shed on the right hand side of the property which I think you have it on the yeah got a plan so we're putting the new shed on the right hand side yeah with to removing the old shed on the left on the left hand side yep how fast is that from the uh L it's over the property line it's l it's Ling it's laning on the property line yeah so that's pretty close to the setback isn't it Leo oh that one here yeah yeah they said if I wanted to put it in the same spot I could have but I said no we don't they don't want to do that I think that's a good suggestion by Mr darling um okay let me uh read a couple of memos into the record so from the Conservation Commission Nancy reviewed the petition for hearing at 18 fish shaes Road there were no issues as long as the shed is built according to the plan we also have a memo from the planning board dated November 15th at the Thursday November 14th meeting the planning board reviewed the above reference petition for hearing from the board of appeals the board had no comments regarding this petition so we have picture of the old shed we have the schematic I'll call it of the new shed we have the layout I did talk to Ed from the Board of Health also I showed him where it was and he had no issues you going to have any Plumbing or anything in there probably electric right other than electric okay um so even though it's on the other side how far away is it going to be from the property line new around 6 ft I wrote on the plan okay yep at least they can walk around that shed so it's going from negative we're going from negative cuz according to you it's a little on the other side of the property line so we're going from negative to 6 feet so although it's still within the setback it's definitely an improvement I in my personal opinion but I'm just one guy up here so other questions from board members I don't have any anybody down have question anyone in the audience any neighbors Butters residents he did talk to both neighbors they both neighbors had no problem I'll take your word for it Le take my I'll take your word for it if they're not here no one's opposing it so that's right uh honestly this one seems pretty plain and simple you're going from being over the property line to being 6 feet away from the property line am I missing anything Amy sometimes if it's too simple I think I'm missing something um do we have no other questions anyone want to make a motion I make a motion we Grant the special permit as applied for y do we have a second second any further discussion all in favor I oppose motion carries unanimously you're up two weeks to do the you know it we paperwork goes to the town after 20 days all you know okay no problem that was easy that was an easy one it was keep them like that we like [Music] it okay next up we have uh continued residences at learon Hills LLC we have a letter that was received from their attorney Robert Mather dated November 20th de chairman oliv on behalf of learon residential LLC I'm ting to ask the board of appeals to continue the public hearing scheduled for Thursday November 21st in regards to in regard to its request to approve certain modifications to the existing comprehensive permit we are still working on the final engineering and subdivision plans please accept this letter as a formal request to continuance until your December meeting if you have any questions or require additional information please do not hesitate to contact me when is our December meeting December I think it was the 19th I think it is the 19th yeah okay so anyone want to make a motion to continue the learon hearing until December 19th I'll make that motion do we have a second second any further discussion all in favor I I opposed motion carries unanimously continue to the 19th I didn't vote Jeff abstained okay Cranbury Heights hearing 43 Main Street so we are continuing this hearing and I believe we have a few folks from on behalf of the applicants petitioner here Council and for your record my name is Robert matter I represent the um applicant uh Lakeville owner LLC uh a quick item of housekeeping um at the October meeting if the board recalls um we had um requested a one month continuance um we had not yet or actually um had just submitted the plans um at that point in time so we requested a 30-day um extension the board granted it um they asked me if we would agree to extend the 180 day period to make a decision I stated to the board that we did and promised that I would follow up on that with a formal letter of that so I'd just like to give you that letter this letter just confirms that we agreed to the extension I actually counted the days exactly it's 35 days so I'd like to present that to the board first thank you sir and so actually I think as the board knows um we had submitted the um plans a month ago uh you just received your peerreview report I believe yesterday correct um so we certainly understand um that um there is not time to digest that um obviously uh not time for um us to discuss the revisions um requested revisions with the peer reviewer but we wanted to come in anyway and give you a a brief um status report um and uh John um is with me and John I believe what John will say is that certainly our initial reaction to the peer reviewers report is good um and um he can tell you where we stand and where we're going from here thanks Bob for the record JN with Rhino Capital uh project proponent so Bob sort of sort of stole my thunder a little bit um not really much to provide in terms of an update for you all this evening we did receive the peer review comment letter um yesterday afternoon had a chance to connect with our project team went through the comments um and all are are generally pretty technical in nature um and a lot actually mirror comments that we had received as part of the planning board um peer review so we know what um Apex formerly known as environmental Partners is is looking for um and what they're keying in on so we're going to pretty quickly turn around to revise set of plans um that address the comments made um in this letter um before we did that though we we wanted to have the opportunity to provide both the board and the public an opportunity to add any further comments so that we can incorporate those um into our plan set before we revise them um you it's been a few months since we were last in front of you so we thought we would give you the opportunity or give the public the opportunity to provide any further comments before we went through the effort of of of um revising our drawings and and resubmitting so we're just here to you know have a discussion and and open to to hear any any feedback as well so so as as Council has pointed out we you know you received him this morning we received him yesterday um we I don't think we've had a good amount of time to to digest it to go through it um but I will open it up to the board if anybody has an add an additional comments I will also add that um if any of the board members you know have anything in particular please email Kathy she can obviously pass it along to make sure it gets to you folks so we can expedite this process to make sure that we have a vibrant more in-depth discussion at our our December meeting in regards to this but in the meantime does anybody have any questions right now in regards to and Mr chairman if I could just follow real quickly on something John tells me that with our um our Engineers we do intend to respond to that within a week because we do understand that the peer reviewer would like three weeks to review that so we'll have it to them within a week so they will have the time to to fully review our comments by the next meeting good anyone at this [Music] point I'm in Amy so um I guess I'm just a little concerned because one of the comments was the um storm water comment about 10 years versus the 25 years will you be able to do that within a week okay yeah it's the same comment that we received um with the planning board okay um and so it's it's a it's a fair fairly easy just increasing seemed like a big deal to me I don't know storm water that's why we're not engineered that's right I admittedly had the same reaction and got on the phone with our okay engineers and they gave me that feedback So Okay I uh well now you get to hold them to it yes exactly right anyone else anything at this point did you want to add I was just going to say Mr chairman for the record Jeff angler um from SCB consultant to the applicant so relative to work product will have a revised set of plans for everybody's benefit we'll have a document that basically takes all of apex's comments and bl blowby blow for ease of tracking provides a response to each of their observations or recommendations so that they can track it the board can track it we find that to be a very effective way to make sure nothing's missed and then as uh counselor said we hope to get that to have back to them in the next week so that at the next hearing both Apex and our technical team can be here and we can hopefully bring to closure any outstanding technical items and if there are a few lingering maybe that moves into the fall the January hearing but we feel pretty good I mean in my business having done a lot of this sometimes you get peer review where there's a oh my God we can't do that or they way off base or all sorts of disagreement we don't see any of that here and we feel confident that uh VHB is going to be able to reflect all of the comments that were made great anyone in the audience have any comments or questions okay if we have nothing else to add Amy you're good for now yes thank you I guess I would entertain a motion to continue the [Music] hearing CH are you good now I'm good thank you CH uh I'll entertain a motion to continue this hearing until December 19th I make that motion we have a second second further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries we'll see you guys in December thank you Mr chairman okay almost at the end we have some minutes to approve we have August 15th of 2024 that were included in our packet uh hopefully some of us have had a chance to review it and if there are no changes I'll entertain a motion to approve the August meeting minutes I'll make a motion to approve August minutes do we have a second second any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries we also have September 19th uh minutes to approve uh hopefully again we've had a chance to review them and unless there any changes I'll entertain a motion to approve the September 19th minutes sure to make a motion to approve September 19th do we have a second I second any further discussion all in favor I I oppose motion carries and our next meeting is December 9th um it's actually in regards to the Simmons Hill um uh permit which is being heard in front of the planning board potentially for a um cluster zoning bylaw so um believe it's probably going to be continued I'm pretty sure it's going to be continued but we do have that meeting scheduled for uh the 9th it is here at the library it's not up at the high school um so please don't forget we want to make sure we have a quorum for that and then we have our 19th uh of December meeting than that you tell me later you won't be here right yeah yeah is is the ninth meeting then to discuss the new the ninth is no the ninth is just because we it's still it's they haven't withdrawn their application this was just they were coming back to say Hey listen we're making progress with the planning board so if they weren't making progress they probably would have told us well let's pick this back up again but my understanding is they're making some progress with the planning board so they're going to continue it out for a few months as long as they keep making progress hopefully they get to a point where the town has a bylaw form and we don't have to here they'll withdra so just out of my curiosity does that mean the the clock pauses for them in terms of the 180 days yes they've already agreed to that they've agreed that whatever date if they come back to us and have to pick it up whatever the time Gap is if it's 6 months they're adding 6 months to the end so they've already we made sure they agreed to that up front Okay I'll take them I'll motion to adjourn I'll make that motion second second all in favor propos motion carries we are adjourned at your phone you tell me 802 one hour and 2 minutes