Okay. Can I >> Don't you want me to hit you? >> No. Ow. >> Somebody bring a fire to me warm in here. >> Oh, you're cold. >> No one knows how to work the heat.
>> Never work. Are you available after for a little conversation? Good to say that. Good evening. Welcome everyone. >> We were in close session. We are now back in open session. Um I'll make a
note from the public close session. Uh we work on the redevelopment agreement. So uh that's what we ro to the last hour. You may go back and close for a few minutes to end the meeting to continue converation about the redevelopment agreement.
Um so I would ask that everyone rise for the pledge of allegiance and we'll stay standing for a moment of silence honor of former mayor mayor Ron Der passed away last week in the age of 87. Mayor Duro served the the
city from May of 1980 to December of 1982. I'm grateful for our service to the flag of the United uh I have one announcement to begin the meeting with uh we all set. Um with respect to ordinance
number 27-2025 um I'm going to have to make a recommendation to the city council that we table this ordinance this evening. There was procedural uh procedural issues with it last night. Uh and uh we're going to need to table them. So if
you're here for the public time for ordinance number 2725, there will be no hearing for that ordinance. Um and I am also going to note that the minutes will be carried to the December 18th session a little bit more depend
um conference. So um we'll do those uh have a chance to look at and I would also like live is joining us from Zoom tonight. Um uh has council had a chance to look at the administrative reports. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Uh all seconded. All in favor of the admin reports, please say I. >> I begin public participation. So as we do each meeting, we encourage the public to step to the podium here. Let's say availability issues. We have three
minutes of uninterrupted time for comments and questions. I'm going ask you to state your name and address members of the building. >> Good evening. My name is Carol J. I live at 205 North Union Street. I actually came about the ordinance public
hearing, but since I can speak, um I just want to give a shout out to the public works department. I think they are great. They do so much work. you they're always around picking up leaves and everyone's horrible garbage and you know all stuff and and they do so much
more. I know they you know help out everywhere in the city. I just want to give give praise him. >> That's really lovely. Thank you. I'll pass that on. >> Jeff Tiddle 33 Wilson Street. My first bleed was 1975. at no casino changed it
down since then. Um anyway, a couple of things I guess I'd like to get an update on since you're going into closing everything on what's happening with the agreement and the timing on it is. Um the second thing is um I live by Coella Park and I saw that the yellow tape was
down and the sign saying closed or down. It didn't look like anything was happening. >> That that should not be that should not be against closed. Yeah. Well, they they moved some of Maybe they're working in it. They had moved stuff. But >> yeah, nobody should be working in Cabal Park off the first thing.
>> Yeah. I mean, when I went by like you could walk in there. I mean, nobody was in there, but it was open. >> The signs were still up. Uh the only tape was gone. I'm trying to see. >> And I drove by today and the there is no the tape isn't up and this there are some uh the horses were there kind of
laid around but I mean nobody was in there but there I didn't see I was in a car so I stopped there but I didn't see a sign like that. >> Yeah I didn't notice you know I get what was posted so but so >> I will look at first thing in the morning. >> Yeah I I mean >> I know I saw that too.
>> Oh hopefully we'll know. I don't know why I don't step there. >> Yeah, I mean I go back up quarantine. >> Well, hopefully it'll be open soon. Maybe an update on that. The other thing I saw today that the governor announced
the uh the small grants from DOT and there's $150 million. Um all all 20 towns in Hunter County got funding somewhere between 113,000 and 195,000. I didn't see Lambertville on
the list, so I don't know if we applied or we got turned down. >> We did not apply this year. We were taking just taking a little break. Uh I met with Lieutenant Brown and Lester Virus. We've done a good survey of the streets. We still have some bond money left from previous road jobs. There are some smaller jobs I'd like to
concentrate on since we have existing bond money and it just seemed like uh over the last four years we've bonded a tremendous amount of money for road work and I just thought we need to take a year off. And the only other thing I can say is that the Church Street Baja really needs to be repaid. When I go to
the Stanley Cleaners building, it's like >> it's being repaid tomorrow. >> Oh, it is. Cool. >> I'll talk about that. >> Um, so why don't I just address those two things? Uh, so so I did say at the beginning of the meeting that we were we were in close session. We were working through the redevelopment agreement. Uh,
my timeline to send it to Cavania is by the 1 of December. Okay. Uh and yeah, I'll look at coal park first thing in the morning and just a general update about church speak where they've done the concrete work over the last couple of days. Tomorrow they're milling and paving. Uh we will send out a list
served email tomorrow with kind of a status update on that. Um now it's returning to a one-way traffic flow. I'm not I have a site meeting tomorrow morning um with the engineer to understand uh the million paving should be done tomorrow but I'm not sure about
the the striping and the signage. So, it will continue to be two ways until uh until the signage is appropriate uh appropriately uh changed. And I spoke with Lieutenant Brown today about kind of a a shortterm measures that the police department will take to minimize
uh people going down that street the wrong way until everybody kind of gets into the habit of going just the way. >> Which way is it going to be? >> They will run west. Okay. >> Yeah. Judy Gleason, 86 North Union Street. Um, I just had a couple things. One, I
wanted to thank you all for pursuing the closed minutes issue. Uh, I that was important and I think you stepped up and did things that will be good to the public and good for moving the ball on that stuff. So, I thank you for that. Uh, and the second thing is I I I
noticed a resolution tonight where you are increasing uh payment to the affordable housing attorney, the city planner, the city engineer, city architect. And I I'm just reminded of every time you guys look at a cost thing, you say not to exceed, not
to exceed. People like me who are hearing that say, "Okay, well, at least you know we have a ceiling." And then we sort of march along and then we exceeded a little, we exceeded a little, we exceeded a little. And my concern is I'm assuming a lot of these people go by
the hour. I don't know that for sure, but I think a lot of them do. Um, if I'm wrong, ignore the rest of what I'm saying. But I was an attorney. I'm a retired attorney now, but I was an attorney for a number of years, and we go by that. But there's a point at which
the senior people say, "Whoa, I know it took you that long and I know you had to cover a lot of stuff and I know you had to do a thing, but we're not going to build the client that much. We can't do that." And I just want to underscore, we really want the council
to be looking at whether or not every time they say we spent more money, we just say oops because I don't know all the details of course and I admit that from the outset but
it's never good to have the client so say always say okay because remembering what booties report said, "The good thing about Laborville is we spend a lot of money, but they just have to raise taxes. This is
great," said Moody about us. I think many of us would like to have it looked at a little differently. And when I saw that on the agenda tonight, I just wanted to identify $12,000 more than we said not to exceed is $12,000.
So, it's might be worth just taking a look when those things come out. That would be great. Thank you. So I I have a philosophy of that uh that I developed in my first year that the not to exceeds are to some degree like um I don't want to say they're arbitrary but one of the
things that I've purposely done in budgeting is to set not to exceeds lower at the beginning of the year so that when uh we have these moments what you know the affordable housing has cost a great deal of money this year. I'd rather have the accountability of having to explain things later in the year and
to adjust the budget accordingly with some flexibility. So, uh that is a mindful exercise for me um to to to as as a way to um to try and to set a lower not to exceed the beginning of the year and to know that I'm bumping to know the
city's bumping up against it at some point during the year so that I can begin to manage costs earlier in the year. Right? because it's very easy in the day-to-day operations when you have an eight and a half million dollar budget to lose track of kind of the daytoday spending of your departments. But when you've got uh you know when
you've got consultants and uh uh engineers and attorneys uh you it's a it's a good stop. It's a good stop for me to know that we're going to start bumping up against not to exceed which is really just a a number that um that
that that I established in the budget early on. based on best estimates a lot of times, but it's also based on, you know, I'd rather practice. What's that? >> Best practice. >> Practice. >> And also, mayor, the other thing is at the beginning of the year, we don't always know all the projects that we're
going to do. And so, you'll see that one of the things for Gilmore is the justice center mitigation. That's the engineering for this, which is going to be funded through a FEMA grant. So, as we go along, sometimes another project comes in, we have to fund the engineering for that. And so that's why
we have to increase the not to exceed. The auditors require us when we when we are initially awarding a contract to have a not to exceed in that at the original date and then January you often don't know what grants you're going to get and what work you're going to finish.
>> And a lot of this is uh often these not to exceeds are being amended for uh as per house right. So a lot of the planner the engineer all the all the review that planners are doing for the planning board and the zoning board engineer for all of the you know all the applications
in town. So you know we've talked a little bit about that. So the numbers for the not to seeds for you know the annual number for the not to seed for the city of engineer on as a as a total number is a significant number but a lot of that is not the city paying it's the escro fees right so those are all broken
out and and there you know so so that that'll explain a little bit about it >> those would be good things to let people know ahead of time and I had an ugly seed on my redid my kitchen and you know what there's stuff I didn't get that I wanted to have because you can't always
just say tax and we can have the money. >> Just taking a taking a look at it would be helpful. >> Thanks. >> Anyone else in the room? >> You want to know? >> How many people do we have? >> We got three.
>> Three. Okay. >> No. Seven. >> Less seven. >> All right. I'll make a motion to close the public comment period. May I have a second? Second. All >> in favor, please say I. I. I. I. uh resolutions. We have a consent agenda this evening. Uh these are all generally
considered routine matters. Uh if anybody wants to seek a separate discussion of an item, please let me know. Um otherwise, I have a motion to adopt resolution numbers 177205 through 18425 as listed under the motion. Oh,
>> did you get >> I did. I think so. >> All right, we have >> We have a motion in a second. >> Okay. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Thank you. And uh I will make a motion to approve the bills uh this month.
>> Second. >> All in favor of paying the bills, please say I. I >> I >> thank you. Ordinances first reading. Our first ordinance this evening to consider is ordinance number 28-2025. It's amending an ordinance amending the
Lamfell city code chap 20 2014 chapter 2 the administrative code 2 through 3.8 adding letter A close session minutes. So uh I would imagine everybody's probably read through this. We've had numerous discussions about it. Are there
any questions about uh this? >> Okay, sounds like no questions. Uh is there a motion to introduce on first reading this? >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All in favor, please say I.
>> I. >> Okay. Uh this will be considered at our December 18th meeting for a public hearing and second uh second. >> Okay. >> Ordinance number 29-2025 an ordinance accepting the dedication of
the public right of way for Hulcom Farm Road. So this is the last piece of the puzzle for our green acres funding up at Bulham Park. uh we need to dedicate the roadway and uh we have to do it by the end of December in order to receive our $300,000
acres funding for Hulcom Park. So um I'm hoping there's not going to be a lot of discussion about um are there questions then? >> Okay. Uh Evan, would you like to make a motion? >> Sure, I'll make the motion.
>> Who would like to second it? I'll second. >> All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Um, it's ordinance 30-2025. It's an ordinance to amend the Lambertville city code 2014 chapter 9
animal control to increase fees and amend language regarding maintenance. Uh, so this would amend the fees for licensing of animals, dogs, and cats. Uh it will also amend language with the burden of the veterinarian to veterinarian health fees on the owners
and requires dangerous dogs to be muzzled while in public. And there are some other amendments to bring the language consistent uh into office. So the registration fee is being uh the registration fee is going from 15 to 20 and the late fee from 25 to 30.
So, uh, now for a motion to introduce ordinance 30-2025 with public hearing scheduled for December 18th. >> I'll second it. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Next is ordinance number 30-2025.
This ordinance to amend the Lville city zoning ordinances 2014 Z404.4 for additional uses R2 R10-2 inclusionary overlay zone and C 406.1
amending permitted uses letter B number four and central business district 10-2 inclusionary overlay zone amending P number two amending the percentage from 15% 20% for both rental and owner occupied units must be affordable
to very low low and modern income households. So, we talked about this. This will bring uh the percentages from 15 to 20% in the inclusionary overlay zones as cited in Z 406 zoning 406-1. So, Cindy, do you remember when these um
overlays were were done? Was it 2018? >> Uh 2017, 2018, 2019 just we were working through them. So, that period of time. So, and since then we have adopted an citywide uh but but it wasn't it wasn't relevant to this. Correct.
>> So, so bringing this in line with the rest of the city. Um this this ordinance will be uh reviewed by the planning board at December 17th session. >> The rest that that next paragraph you can ignore. >> I'm sorry. >> The next paragraph you can ignore.
>> Okay. >> It didn't make sense. >> All right. Um, so I have a motion to introduce ordinance 312025 on first meeting with the public hearing scheduled for December 18th. >> So move. >> I'll second it. All in favor, please say I.
>> I. >> I. Thank you. >> Ordinance is second reading. Um, first one is ordinance number 25-2025. This is ordinance to amend the Lambertville city code 2014 to repeal section 8-25.4
for Saturday and Sunday parking in chapter 8. So this is in order to repeal in old Arkansas books to charge a fee for public parking on weekends where >> city hall city hall >> for five bucks.
>> Very quaint long time ago. So haven't done it in years. Um so I'll open this up to the public if anybody has a burning desire to talk about this ordinance. Anybody anybody
Okay, I'm going to make a motion to close the public comment period. Is there a second? >> Second. All >> in favor of closing the public comment period on authorities, please say I. >> I. Thank you. Further conversation behalf from the council on this matter.
I'll take that as a no. May I have a motion to adopt on second reading granting final approval to ordinance number 25-2025. So move. I'll second it. All in favor? >> I carry it.
Um, ordinance number 26-2025 to amend the Lambertville City Code 2014 to authorize the mayor to wave the requirements chapter 14 streets and sidewalks section 14-13's letter to CU. So, um, this, uh,
ordinance would allow the mayor to wave the requirements of moratorum. It's a five-year moratorum for new utilities for, uh, when a road is paid. There's usually a five, well, there is a five-year moratorum on digging up the street to enter in new utilities and
such. Um, and that moratorum has to be currently um waved by the full city council. Uh, what this ordinance seeks to do is to give that authority strictly to the mayor. Um there have been a couple of instances uh just recently as a matter of fact where we've had to
consider something that's really I think a routine decision. Um our engineers are typically involved in this. It's taken you know with with good care. There was a situation just a couple weeks ago on um uh on Douglas Street where they thought they were not going to be able
to drill under the street. and I went up and there was a big to-do and it turns out that you know they in the end they didn't need to open the road but the crew was already there and you know it would have been nice just to say okay you can do this or rather than have them come back you know wait three weeks for
the for the approval pass so that's what this ordinance is about and I'll open it up to the public for any comment or concerns or questions Good evening. John Towns 14 Hancock. Um with respect to the city council and the
mayor, uh I think giving a single individual autonomy to make decision that can affect the entire city structure would be foolish on the part of city council and
city government across the board. Uh these breaks are put in place intentionally But to just even prevent an appearance of impropriy on anyone's part and to
strip that is not going to endear the city council or the city government to the rest of the citizens in the town. So I uh would
strongly encourage that that is not something you take lightly just giving away autonomy to someone to make decisions whoever the mayor is whether it's it's Andrew or or Steve or
Karen or anybody that's just that's just bad business. And if it slows a company down from making a decision to dig under a street and say upset a gas line because they're in a hurry and all
their equipment is there is foolish beyond belief. So that's my two cents. Thank you. >> Thanks. You know the other thing I didn't point out was that uh I see this is a kind of a customer service issue
right for residents. uh you know making someone wait an additional 3 weeks uh to get a gas line the water line hooked up once they've already contracted for it I think is uh you know we have to balance these things right so uh as a chief administrator for the city I make all
kinds of decisions along those lines on a routine basis and they're >> they're done in a in a rational reasonable reasonable way with respect to >> there are John oh thank there there are regulations to
get a street opening permit that require utilities to come out to mark the street. You just can't walk out there and say, "Oh, I want to open my street today." So that doesn't wave many of their requirements as if the entire council had a vote on it. There's still
requirements in in order for someone to do that. And I don't I can't answer for other mayors. I can't answer for Andrew, but uh you know if somebody wants to convert from oil to gas and there's a time clock on
on their side, you know, waiting an extra two weeks or three weeks may not permit them to do what they have to do. And as far as repairing after the street opening, there are requirements as well. So, I understand where you're coming
from, but in this case, I I there's enough backup that I I'm comfortable about having uh you know, a mayor make the make the decision without council approval in this case. And if it doesn't work, we
can always change it. >> Judy Gleason, 86 North Union Street. I actually got up to say I was surprised when I heard that the okay to open the street was exclusively the mayor because I thought when it was talked about maybe
it was the last meeting or whenever it was that I heard that. I didn't think it was exclusively. I thought it was an opportunity to have the council do its normal thing or if circumstances arose which said this is a situation that is
not what we thought or came up more quickly or whatever it might be then it could be the mayor. So if it's exclusively, I would have to agree with the former spokesperson in terms of how we handle it because
the example that was given was here these people were trying to do this and you were there and the mayor was there and had been able to just say okay go ahead. I have think sometimes there's a certain amount of information that you would get one would get prior to the
okay. So even if you're standing right there while they're doing it, you that information might not have been assembled or figured out or gathered or whatever it might be. So in other situations with which I am familiar, a
circumstance like this might be if the homeowner has assembled or can show or can come forward with X, then you don't have to wait for the council because we know the council only meets, you know, when the council leaves. But to just
sort of say you can go ahead and I appreciate the point about there's there's requirements but there are not we must have had that in there for a reason. And I actually remember when I lived when I first lived here when you had a chance to open the
street to convert to gas. It was out there. Hey, you're not going to have a lot of time. Make a decision. If you want to convert to gas, this is it. If you don't do it now, you're going to have to wait however long you're going to have to wait. So, it's not as though people are not able to look at that step
and it's not that they're held up entirely from what I have seen and from what we've talked about tonight, they're not held up entirely by we have to wait for counsel. It seems like there's a gathering of information. There's a there's steps there and I would have to say that the points made with the prior
speaker would would would also go to that. So, it's not that you can't revisit that. It's not that you can't build in some steps besides just why was there it was could have been done. Let's just do it. Maybe there's a medium ground that doesn't hold people up on
requiring the council but doesn't just eliminate that step. So I would I would urge also a little bit more attention to the steps other than what is currently captured. >> You make it sound more casual than it
really is. I mean all these decisions made in consultation with the city engineer whom I speak with uh you know I don't just go up and say that you know there's a lot of thought that goes into all of these decisions and uh you know the moratorum it makes sense in a lot of
ways because uh you know when when uh typically when a street is due for repaving we ask Elizabeth Town Gas to reach out to potential new customer to have line put in while the repaving work is done. Right? So, you're trying to
you're trying to find a balance between having somebody come in, you know, six months later and say, "Oh, well, you know, maybe I do want gas and I'm going to put a gas line in." Uh, that's not a thoughtful process. But, you know, there are instances where people buy properties um and uh you know, build or
whatever and you know, road has just been paved and a year and a half goes by and they really do need to do something. You're going to make them come before them. I mean, listen, this is not that big of a deal. So, I I think it's just a very straightforward administrative matter and we'll see how the council does. So, >> I can't remember the last time somebody
came before council to get a street opening. Okay. >> How long I can't remember the last time anyone >> Well, so so we just really formally put the moratorum. We strengthened the language a couple of years ago requiring
the moratorum. We do get requests from Lucid Town Gas and we check and to see it when the last time the road was done. And so we have turn people away and the council actually could speak to
the data and make a decision as well as having it just be the mayor who makes the decision. Again, I came up because I heard you say exclusively. That's all I have. ask but that's too >> well I the the comfort I'll say this
that I have in it is that if they were to come here for us what we really want them to do is to go which they have to do is that the city engineer okays it public works directors okays it and they post a maintenance bond guaranteed to
work for two years those are the things that they've been looking for so whether or not they come here and they get up all say I or the mayor says okay which makes it more customer friendly for them to do the work and and it doesn't happen as Cindy said all the time. I'm
comfortable with that because they're still doing all the same things they would be doing if they came here before for before us. And I would say if I had the okay of the city engineer and the public works director and they posted a maintenance bond guaranteeing the work
for two years, I'm going to say yes. and and who want to help our homeowners, you know, be able to to convert to gas or do what they need to. Nobody's going to really open the street because they just feel like it, but they would have those approvals. It's not like the mayor is
going to say, "Oh, yeah, open the street and and not do those things." they're doing the same things that they would do and they don't have to wait the way I read it to come to a meeting and and for the scheduling and and you know that
that is the it's more of a convenience factor for for me I'll be honest you know than um and you know that I'm surrendering the authority I I think of it more of a convenience thing because they're going to do the same things for
the mayor that they're going to do here. >> Okay. >> How about a question for Cindy? >> Yes. >> Curb cuts. Do we we approve curb cuts too? >> That comes to
the street opening. Street opening includes the street and the curb. Sidewalk would include sidewalk and sometimes the curb, >> right? But we but generally if somebody wants to put a curb cup in because they want to be able to park off the street,
we the >> council that's different and the council approve, right? the downtown. If you're in the downtown section and somebody wants to put a driveway in and they have not gone before a board and had a public
hearing, then they have to come to council. >> Right. >> But if they're up on one of the hills, the driveway, >> right? >> But if you're downtown, >> correct? >> Right. >> So, we still maintain >> we still maintain control of that.
>> Yeah. And in in the past we have denied it and and and but in denying it we provide alternatives that would not impact traffic. So we have a a wide a
range of approval that gets rather than say no. >> You don't want to say no. Want to make make it work for the neighborhood because parking is what it is. >> Okay. Uh any further conversation? All right. Uh I'll make a motion to adopt
ordinance number 262025 on second reading granting final approval. >> So move. >> A second. I make motion. >> You think you're ready? >> I make another one. But I'll second yours. >> All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I.
>> That was concluding public comment. >> We already concluded public comment. >> Oh, I'm sorry. So I'll make a motion to close public comments. Okay. >> Second. All in favor of closing public comment, please say I. >> I. >> Thank you. Now I will make a motion to
adopt on second reading granting final approval to ordinance number 2625. Second. >> All those in favor. Hi >> so ordinance number 27-2025 ordinance to amend the landfill zoning ordinance to section Z-400 C3 AHO
general commercial affordable housing opportunity um so as I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting This uh was reviewed by the planning board and uh um because of a couple of small procedural issues um they did not take any action. So because we do not have time to um
renotice this and make the corrections, we are going to move this uh I'm going to I'm going to ask for a motion to table this ordinance. Uh and uh if it's not revisited by the end of the year, which I'm not proposing it will be, uh we will take it up in January with the corrected uh language.
And so it wasn't heard at the planning board because there was a >> there were there were a couple of errors in the in that ordinance. >> Yeah. >> And there were >> we then notice so we will if it goes back before the planning board then all
the property owners get renoticed. Yeah. >> And who does that notice? Do we do it or does plan? >> We do it. >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. So, um, anyway, yeah. Um, so >> probably hire Bill's office to do it.
I think it's in January. >> I didn't want to do that. >> Sorry. >> Um, so, uh, Well, we'll make the motion in table. >> All right. >> Second. >> All right. All in favor of tableling ordinance number 27-2025,
please say I. >> Thank you. >> Um, the sweeper end date discussion. Um, yeah, I I I didn't really want this to be a discussion, but I didn't get to you in >> um we can talk about it, but I uh I know
that the public works would like to end would like to end as soon as possible. I I personally like to keep it going at least till December 15th because I feel like it's always uh there's always a lot of wet leaves on the streets and I also feel like it's a good opportunity to get up onto the hills one more time. Um so
that would be my recommendation to the council. >> Well, I go with Lester on this one. >> Okay. >> Say, you know, like all my neighbors like to rate, but you know, moving your car, you got a week.
It's like a kid in December. We all come outside destroy that. It's like it's like sparkle week, you know. So, >> well, the other thing too is with the the varying temperatures, >> you know, when it hits 32, you're really
not supposed to be running the street sweeper because it freezes. >> All right, >> there you go. I want Yeah. >> December 8th is what's >> that okay? >> Is everybody okay with that? Do we need a final word on this?
>> That's the holiday suspense. It suspends from Monday, December 8th through March 23rd when >> So what is a resolution? So Motion to uh adopt resolution 85 2025 knowing
December 8th as the discontinuation um through March 23rd. Did you make a motion? >> I did not. >> I made one. Oh, >> you may make one. >> I make a motion. >> All second. All in favor say I.
>> I. I. Thank you. >> No correspondence. Uh, announcements. Uh, >> correspondence though. We received notice. That's right. We received notice from the department of health that we do we receive the uh
>> 10 to >> Yes. So that means we go one grant of $6,000 for the uh private well testing program that we'll be hopefully doing with West Amwell. I spoke to Megan Hudson Westwell. I think that they
received an appointment going to verify and we'll >> probably went to their CMFO because that's where I know >> so they're not gather time right >> and thank you and well thanks Cindy because I was trying to write this and I
kept deleting so but we will be be working on that and just um for uh I know John we we um got all the surveys back from folks. Did you guys submit a survey to Karen?
>> No, we didn't have the >> She didn't drop one. >> Well, she did, but >> All right. But yeah, because we were going to go over them Tuesday with West Animal, too. um with Bob and and Megan before we meet with D again on the the December 3rd because we're gonna kind of
tabulate uh Karen has a uh you know who has you know um water softeners who doesn't you know who used who to try to see if there's any patterns in this problem sulfur problem I
know Bridget was going to be the test well I don't know whatever happened the Calran I don't know who did yours um in terms of changing the built the different fixes that they did. So we're kind of circling back together both
town. So then when we talk to GP we um have a you know decent response to talk about and try to get back to okay where's the solution? I don't know if you have the odor but >> we haven't had any problem. No. >> Oh okay. So yeah, a lot of this is
around um cleaning up the sulfur odor from the poet systems from the water treatment systems. That's been like the initial, you know, like kind of second thing and and then also finding out from the department which they said they
would be doing uh who else you know is getting their water tested. But that's really extending more into into Westlaw. I know I've had a few folks on Conill come to me that we've done paperwork with that have def as well. Um
Lincoln Avenue, I forget the other one. Um but there's, you know, >> seen like four or five. >> Yeah. The guy I I spoke to somebody the other day I ran into CBS >> that hopefully I'll be with next week.
So, so we're keeping up with the department and you know some of the specific problems but also they continue on we'll get an update on this this source investigation and kind of the uh you know the affected area
investigation. If I could just >> sure >> anecdotally tell you, but it's because it's not anecdotally because it happened to me. >> But I did apply part of a spill fund
uh once you have gotten your your system put in. If you have any expenses like having to pay for the test before the state start the DEB were doing the test, you can file for it and you will get
reimbursed and I got reimbured today from >> from the state for the outlay that I had >> for the for the wealth. >> You could also get reimbured for a bottle of water as well if you did not know. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. John here. >> Well, again, >> this $6,000 grant that we got, >> yeah, >> has the city gone through and figured out who is still has wells and have has the city
contacted those people and said, "Hey, get your stuff tested." >> Yes. Yeah, there are there we have a couple folks left that want to get a D test. Um, and I could talk about it. It's private. But yeah, we we we have um
like with the neighbors, I work a lot with Karen and Sean and and on on the West Animal side, too. We everybody pretty much has been tested. There's a couple people that we want that want D to do it. So, and that's why this whole
getting this list from D and getting the app from D is an important um like reporting item. Okay. Um, so just announcements. I've already talked about Church Street, so just keep an eye out for some communication from
the city about that. Um, Thanksgiving office closures, city offices will be closed for Thanksgiving on Thursday and Friday, November 27th and 28th. Tree lighting is on December 1st at 6 PM. Corner of Bridge and South Union Street. Uh, the manora lighting is on December
17th. The time is yet to be determined. We are doing a food drive collection at City Hall. Um, so it's right inside the front door, this big box. So, please bring in uh non-p perishables. We'd appreciate that. Um, county hazardous and electronic material recycling days.
They're offering their final electronics and hazard hazardous material recycling days in November. So, electronics is this Saturday 11 from 9. >> That's Saturday. >> Oh, last Saturday, of course. Yeah, that's right. It's in the past. Um and
then the hazardous waste is next Saturday, uh 11:22 or this coming Saturday. >> This coming Saturday. >> Yes. >> Um from 9 to 1. >> Yeah. And you can go on the county website to find out what they take and what they don't take. >> Yeah.
>> Uh lastly, Kavala Park. Um I've been in regular contact with LSRPs. Uh they are on track to submit everything to the D by the end of November. So, um, we're looking forward to having all of that work submitted and, uh, moving forward.
So, I will keep everybody posted on that and, uh, I will take a look at the park first thing in the morning. We'll see what's going on there. Um, that's all I have and we'll open this up to public participation again. Um, three minutes. Please step to the podium. Uh, state
your name and addressing comments or questions if you getting your steps in tonight. Judy Junior Street. I forgot to ask this at the beginning, but all the chatter about Cabala Park reminded me. So, no
good deed goes unpunished. And I had brought up the park the playground over at the school se a couple times and people have asked me don't ever say them something here because people will know and they'll ask you so what's happened
with the playground at the school um you know that wasn't open for the public because it hadn't been inspected. It hadn't been structurally inspected. I mean, they don't need an inspection for a playground in an area. That's okay. >> On York Street.
>> Yes. But on York Street, but I haven't heard anything. It's still not open. I've been told, but I don't think it's official that it hasn't been inspected. It hasn't gotten the okay from our people, from our building people or our
whatever. So, I'm asking the the mayor had mentioned back when somebody said when Cabal Park was going to be closed, what are the kids going to do? And the mayor had said, well, there's going to be this other new park, which is I think why people knew about this new park, but
we don't have that new park. So, do we have has our inspection has our building has our whatever we're calling it now forever, have they inspected? Is it open? Is it >> uh you'll I'll have to get I'll have to get back to him. I'm happy to email you
uh on Monday about it. I know that uh uh I believe a violation uh issue uh was issued at some point from the construction code official uh with respect to you know the park but not something I I that's all I know at the
moment. I mean I'm happy to ask for you. I mean I you know I get information but >> it it it came up in a public meeting and the point was made we have this other part coming from the DAS and so it would
be good if we would know the answer to that because there's we still don't have a park and kids are still >> keep in mind that even though I said this was a long time ago we already said this so this is a little frustrating for me Judy because when when the school
built the park. They told us that they were going to open the park to the public and that's what I said in the meeting and I since corrected that it's a private park and private property and when they had the problems with the uh the construction issues uh that I
acknowledge that that it's a private it's a private matter uh and so it has really very little to do with the city other than the fact that it's out of compliance with whatever codes it was supposed to meet. So uh I I'll get you your answer. I'll email to you on Monday about what the construction code official has done with respect to that
and then you can share that however you wish. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else? >> Hello John's house 14 Hancock. Don't forget there is a park upon Hancock. Everybody always forgets about that
park. Also, uh to the council and the mayor, uh street sweeper, I didn't know it was still in business. Excuse me. Because we had it come up on the hill once. >> Yeah. Once.
We also thank you to whoever got the state to go down and chew up the side of 179 there where we couldn't see coming off of uh of Grant, excuse me, on 179. That was helpful. We appreciate it.
Uh but we also have a lot of overgrowth into Grant and onto Hancock from the side streets. Now, I don't know if that's the uh property owners who are responsible to move that vegetation back or not. Uh but if we could have that
addressed because when you come up off of 179 on Grant into uh Hancock, uh especially during the summer months, it's a lot better now that all the leaves have died. Uh you can't see, you have to pull halfway out of the intersection to actually look down the
road. So, uh, again, thank you for the the stuff you got done on 179. We did appreciate that. Um, pretty much that's it. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. >> Thank you. >> Same to you.
>> Uh, and although it seems like we the citizens are frustrated often with you guys from city hall, we do appreciate what you're doing. We appreciate your being uh clear about what you're doing and why
you're doing it. And when we sound back at you, especially I want to clarify that what I said earlier about giving a single person I meant no disrespect to any single person. I just don't want to see us as a town being lumped into some
news article somewhere that were, oh, they gave away everything and and bad things happen. That's all. So again, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy holiday season. Uh whatever that means to you. And Jack, >> just for the record, I live off one
music man. I haven't seen this paper either. >> See, >> I just come ordinance. >> I just want to just tell you, I just want to flag something for you. There's a bill S4736
which um >> Can you speak to the M? Sure. Sorry. S4736 which is moving in the legislature and I know it. I have a serious concern even though it's about affordable housing. It basically says that any nonprofit
uh or church type organization can come in and build affordable housing uh without getting a zoning variance. Uh, it would also allow for heights to exceed the town's height. It would allow densities up to 40 units per acre. And
what's what concerning of it, it can go around your own town's plan. And if you have your own town that's been accepted and you're going through all this process, they can come in and go around it this. And so when we have ground floor out there, um it's troubling
because someone could come in, let's say, take the old church on uh North Union and put a fivestory building there because it also allows for parking bearings and all kinds of other things because you're exempted from it basically exempt any of the projects
from your ordinance and sets up criteria within the bill. So it's something I think we should, you know, we should look at. I don't wait for the desk with I did not know. Yeah, miss last week. One of the users
by three people. They're still there. >> Gained one. >> Well, we gain one. We're glad to have you online. >> All right. We do have one. >> Okay. >> All I can see is ES. Do you want to go ahead? >> Uh Paul Stevens, 39 Corey Street.
>> Hey Paul, >> you weren't gonna get away with out me tonight. Um, I think it was John's comment earlier that reminded me of something that I've really noticed a lot lately, and that is the hedge between the hedge around the library that goes
up uh, Lily on to 16 and 165 and the Val Parzo parking lot where the white line is drawn. When you come up Lily Street, you have to ease out past where the white line is for that stop sign to be able to see the traffic on
one coming through 165. And uh even though we put up 25 mph speed limit, not a lot of people are doing that and a lot of the people that aren't doing that want to go into the Valarzo parking lot. And I've almost gotten hit because
somebody is coming in to zoom in to the parking lot where the entrance on Lily Street where I'm parked at the stop sign where I'm stopped at the stop sign. We need to look into that to see if there's something that can be done because
eventually it it it is going to be a serious incident there. It's u and yeah, that's my comment. Uh, I hope you can do something to at least look into it to find out if there's anything we can do. Um, but as somebody that uses that
street, um, it's, um, getting more and more dangerous every day around this town. Thank you. And as John also said, happy Thanksgiving everybody. Be well. >> Happy Thanksgiving to you. Uh, as well,
Paul, excuse me, and John. Um, uh, yeah, that that ain't that I know that stop sign. Lieutenant Brown and I have had a couple of conversations about it over the years. It's just a it's just bad design coming into the parking lot at Kavala at Valerasos. And uh, I don't
know what the solution is other than doing what you do. You stop and you just inch out. Um and uh you know >> well my life is >> well the one of the solutions would be to trim that to cut that hedge you know get rid of that hedge actually around
the library because that's the big issue. Nobody can see anybody because of that hedge. The people on 165 the people that are on Lily Street until it is a blocked situation the hedge hides everybody.
>> Yeah. Well I'm happy I'll happily take a look at that. Um, Paul, one, I don't know that we own the hedge. Uh, I mean, we could certainly acquire a request that that for visibility reasons. >> We've done that before to to folks that were at an intersection that had overgrowth.
>> Yeah. >> And people were fine. >> Well, this isn't overgrowth. This is by design. I mean, they keep it trimmed. It's the design of it. And it is a public safety hazard. >> All right. Well, I'll take a look at it.
talk to Brown, meet with Lester, and uh I'll be prepared to talk about it at the next council meeting. How about that? >> Sounds good to me. >> All right. Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> I'll make a motion to close public comments. Is there a second? >> Second.
>> Second. >> All in favor of closing public comment, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> Um, thank you very much. At this time, I'm going to ask for a motion to go back in close session. Um, what >> to discuss attorney client matters
related to potential contracts and litigation pursuant to NJSA 104-7. >> Thank you for reading that. Uh the council won't be taking any action session. >> The council will not be taking any action when they come out of close session. So um I'll make a motion to go
to close. >> Second. >> All in favor, please say I. >> Great. Thank you so much for coming this evening. We appreciate uh having you here all the time. And for those of you who we will not see, happy Thanksgiving. >> Cindy, do I need to switch over to the other link? And you know, I think what
we'll do