real we ready [Music] cost D evening everyone welcome we are in public session at this time we've already had closed session we've done saided agents so we are Dive
Right In Here um good evening to all um we'll start off this evening with uh a motion to approve the following minutes uh noting that the February 6 2025 Open Session minutes are still in review so um we're talking about the January 16th
2025 meeting minutes the January 16th 2025 close session minutes January 28 meeting minutes the January 28th Clos session minutes and the February 6 Clos session minutes everybody on the council had a chance to look at the minutes and
make adjustments all right and I would entertain please second all in favor please say I administrative reports I'll just highlight a couple of P here from the administrative reports uh last month we
uh9 tons of trash left the city that cost about $111,000 recycling cost us about $3500 last month um our hotel tax was about $16,000 clerk's office took in $36,000 so that's a lot of parking uh resident
parking permits the beginning of uh pet licenses the beginning of landlord registration so that's a nice healthy number to start the year with and much um my parking Revenue uh for the month was $32,500 it's down a couple thousand from
last year but I'm pleased with that number given uh given how cold it's been and given the bridge C here um so were there any questions about any of the administrative reports from the council right I'll make a motion to approve the administrative reports may have a second
second all in favor please say I I thank you um have one statement uh that I'd like to read into the record before we open the the meeting of the public participation and constituent concerns I just want to note that uh on February as I noted in my lber MERS Callum this
morning uh on February 10th K homes filed a motion with the superior court of New Jersey to intervene at to resend conditional Judgment of compliance to oppose the motion's been scheduled for March 14th the city's housing affordable housing attorney Kelly Grant and file
opposition papers by March 6 Council will review those before she submits them she will also request for ARG cab three days to reply to that uh to that opposition uh following that the judge will decide or oral arguments are
in order and we make some point to sh with you um so with that I'd like to them the public participation consal concern um portion of the meeting the first one uh as we uh as we always
request uh if you you have mobility issues if you can please step to the podium state your name and address three minutes at uninterrupted time for comments or concerns lindsy will do 3 second good even everybody Paul Stevens
39 Cory I know there's a lot more pressing issues but this resolution 47 2025 about the vot house uh in the resolution it says uh talking about the area being Del delineated in the
application form and the sketch of the license premises attached heav to um there's nothing attached to the agenda there was nothing in the folder for today's meeting that I could find um know it's a nit but it's wanted to
see what they were talking about doing thank you um so can you address that explain it but explain what have it if you want to see it well I mean I would like to have seen it before the meeting
so you call um so basically that that that particular resolution is to um expand the liquor license from the boat house to the restaurant um it's a it's one I believe it's one lot um and uh it's
something that they're interested in doing so that they can serve ler in the restaurant rather than have you having bring their own so that's basically in the nutshell haven't missed anything there bill it's the expansion is just for the premises that they can't have there's a long way
to there's a public walkway in between even though it's a private lot there people do walk across they can't have anything outside it has to be within the two practices or anything Sol when you say two premises it's
one the tent that goes up seasonally and you factor that in you'll see on the the way it's drawn on the app on the and it's say there too the the application not supposed to be attached to the resolution but um on the application they have a sketch see from there sketch
is is it the same owner who owns both of those yes yes yes it is house so basically similar to it's a wi or license symol thing I try can't read uh uh like the station has where they could
serve yes any building more or less on the everything is in compliance with the regulations jef TI 33 Wilson Street I just wanted to start out and say that maybe now people will understand why I've been coming
here and other people have been coming here for the last nine months because I've been through this before and I've been through building Remy lawsuits and I see these things coming and the in action by this Council and by the mayor in particular um since um planning board
said that the site for the 200 units was inconsistent with the master plan where the mayor voted Fort and commissioner kinsky voted against it instead of going down the same path and doing nothing or doing very little we needed to move quickly and now we're going to go to
court um when you have an intervention and you're not prepared because you don't have a report from the engineer saying why the hill is inappropriate for the development we don't have an alternative plan by the planner for other locations for round three and even though the law a four allows you without
going to court to change your plan if you think the slite is not VI we decided to go forward we have a committee that's meeting we have to have this done before or or before our Pap our papers are filed otherwise you know you're going to
walk into court and they're going to say well you have all development in town there luxury your overlay zones Police Station cost and Farm and you have no plan and you're going to and they're going to get in and then they're going to come after us and then we're going to have a builder remue soon and
so I think this is time to act instead of worrying about fire we need to worry about getting a plan in place in fact many of us in the community feel we have to hire own an attorney and intervene which we're working on because I don't think we can trust this Council and this
mayor to to uphold what we feel is most appropriate I had to do that in Ringwood years ago because Under Pressure they tried to settle we took the case over they had to follow us we want it Countryside verus bring good check on it I feel that we're into the same situation where we have a hill we had
time we've had nine months we haven't moved and I'm unfortunately I understand how havan works and they have good lawyers and their sharks and we're very vulnerable right now so I hope we get our act together in the next two weeks and get a plan in place and get a report in place and show why we need to move
from the hill thank you do you want me to step down yeah okay hi Larry wall um arer and Griner on an attorney I represent um parties who intervened in a litigation that's the
subject of um of the resolution 62225 um it had to do with Land Development on the hill a um a mistake mistakenly a permitted a pickle ball court built 20 ft from my client's property and 60 ft from their front door
my clients intervened in the in the uh or my clients appeared with with Witnesses at the September 28th Zoning Board hearing had they not appeared I assume that there would be pickle ball up there right now and it's very loud if anybody has played pickle ball it's a
loud Sport and it's 60 feet from your house or 20 feet from your from where you are a gardener as one of my clients is a full corpening is a culturalist and has an active Gardens having a pickle ball court 20 fet from your gardening uh
uh 900 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. 7 days a week can be problematic so there a settlement before the the council um and I want to read just one line from the sment it says interveners those are my clients have this CLI to participate in the
settl now I don't know who wrote that where that came from but that is not the case we did participate in the settlement but then we were locked out in the settlement and we're not being we and our recommendations and our um experts report on several
recommendations that would bring the sound down have not been uh uh have not been considered and in fact uh I circulated those on December 12th and January 22nd to the zoning board to to council to your Council uh to the zoning
boards Council and it falls on dep ears and I find that problematic uh Additionally the settlement agreement that you're planning to approve through resolution also has a procedure built into it for this hearing that's coming up uh before the zoning board on the
27th of this month if it goes forward and it it provides me with five minutes to address uh my client's concerns and 3 minutes to cross-examine Witnesses it's outrageous and I don't think that's an
appropriate uh limitation in this in the settlement agreement and I ask that be revised 30 seconds I like that sign and um I know there's a financial component to this I I I I I understand the financial component I think it's great because this is not an issue that arose
as a result of my clients's uh actions they just happen to end up with a pickle ball court on top of them that needs to be uh have an appropriate sound barrier um and uh I would hope that the zoning requires that but from what I see
from the settlement agreement looks like it's a done deal it's a rubber stamp and it's really unfortunate because my clients did want to participate in the settlement provided a report with recommendations that seem to have fallen on De years I don't even know if those that report was ever shared with you or
the members of the zoning so um I have a my three minute time limitations have passed uh I'm sorry if I sound angry but it's my job and um and I hope that uh you do not vote on this and do not and that you carry this um settlement
agreement until we see what happens at the zoning board thank you uh dve B 250 Bruns Avenue and lamberville um back again all right uh it's being here regularly uh speaking about the fisherman Mar all
right sh and I are supporters of Fisherman's Mar we contribute to their efforts uh and we believe in what they do all right but on the issue of the the now fouryear lease of the property all
right and you know is that property still going to be sold at some point okay is a question the second question is who pays the the uh utilities right because if we pay the all the utilities they they're
responsible for maintenance but it doesn't say in the least that it the utilities are paid for uh by the tenant all right so who's paying utilities because there's a lot of big Refrigeration up there and you know
could e ,000 a month we're getting uh very very quick um uh and so the other thing is again I come out of business all right this is now a fouryear lease all right there has been
no escalation okay in the four years all right I don't know who wrote the the the original agreement you um uh you know and and I think we've gone you probably have gone on the bases that well we're just
helping out this this is going to be short term shortterm short term and now it isn't all right a three uh 3% escalation all right uh would not break any organization all right three-year escalation of of the $1,000 would bring
in another additional $1,100 okay uh to the uh to the city uh I would suggest that we resolve the issue of you know if it is it needs to be resolved the issue of who pays the utilities all right and see if they
being partners would like to help sub support the taxpayers all right by paying uh you know an escalated amount and and again we can also talk about is $1,000 a good deal for a for a business location that big all right and with the
parking so just some thoughts that I came from with you thank you thanks um I'll address a couple of those things if I may um we are still planning on moving forward with the sale um and going to give an update later in the meeting but I'll I'll just provide that now so um I
think I spoke about this Poss the last meeting or within a couple of meetings it's a it's very complex because we've got to do the subdivision for Fisherman's Mark while we're also trying to um work through the the final Green Acres uh requirements um
so I'll be meeting next week with um fisherman marks Engineers or Architects to do a um a Stakeout of the property um and then the surveyors will come probably within the next two weeks survey the property once the once the
the property is uh the proposed property um is surveyed uh then Fisherman's Mark attorney will lay their plan over the survey part of the property and then we can begin uh kind of the rest of the paid work is that is that right Phil yeah so we are working through it it is
taking time because it's a very complex uh it's complex uh we also need to dedicate a road Road in order to get the Green Acres funding so there was a couple of different questions about how to do that and provide the easements at the same time we've got it all worked
out so we're moving forward with all of this now so uh I expect the pace to pick up on this um in terms of the the uh uh in terms of the the sale and moving forward Fisherman's Mark pays the utilities uh for for the for the
building uh the utilities some of the utilities are connected to the law cabin the waterers off in the Log Cabin so Fisherman's Mark is just paying for uh the the uh the the sewer bill the water and the electric for the for for the far market and they always have since the
since since we since we signed an original lease um so I think that's all I have I mean the the the lease is just a tenant you know we we decided to well I propose that we consider and we'll have a comment you know we'll have a public hearing on this tonight when we
consider the the ordinance do it month by month rather than another year just because we need that flexibility as we're kind of wending our way through the through through the process here the sale and I have noted that uh Fisherman's Mark intent is to pay more than the appra value of the property
Fisherman's Mark is has agreed to pay more than the appra value of property so um said that a couple of times and I'll just I'll just say that one more time they're also um paying they' set up an escrow account so they'll be paying for the surveying and uh inside I don't know we haven't I don't if we worked out all
of it but the Redevelopment um not sure but they they're definitely they set up an escrow and um they agree to pay the the cost of kind of the the development the property thank you for the update
sure anyone else is anybody online how people do we have online 2 24 welcome everybody we're glad you're here thanks for coming Judy would you like to go
ahead uh Judy gleon 86 North Union Street so I wanted to be there tonight but I wasn't able to be and I just want to say assuming that you can hear me which I guess you can uh the issue that was brought up earlier
about the development on the hill and the March 14th motion to intervene underscores in a huge way the fact that we need to do something that shows that we're not just jerking the
court around we're not playing games we really do want affordable housing and even if it's not the development on the hill which is pretty much going to be opposed by the city
by the residents of the city we need to look at the other options I've been saying this since last spring every time it comes up I say we're g to run out of time and they're GNA say it's too late you have to accept this and here we are
and we have a couple of weeks and we've been not doing anything we've not had a plan by our planner we haven't looked at the other sites I don't know why I'm not going to try to guess why I just know the planner in town has got to look at
the other sites we have available has got to look at the other properties we have available and we can't end the meeting tonight by saying okay thanks very much for your comments we need to take action tonight to be sure that when
you go to court on the 14th you can say yes your honor we have looked at the following places and we are proceeding in those other areas to find affordable housing thank you Judy I agree with a lot of your
comments there I just want to make sure everyone is aware too that this is like a very preliminary motion uh they have standing um the judge uh I don't believe is ruling on the ultimate issue in the case and so um I agree we we need a plan uh we need to put it together very fast
but I do think we have a little bit more time than um the motion uh hearing G yeah I just like to add though that time is of the essence and and we need to have a plan I and and thank you Judy je
Dave whatever I hear what you said I I I do Echo what you say that um I've work I don't like to deficate but I've worked in these matters and I know that being prepared and having a a town that comes in and and you know makes a move and
explains it and then uh and then has way to to to fix what's going on in the spirit of providing affordable housing is really important and I think that we need to be doing that like you should have yesterday I've asked that we do it
like right away like now like tomorrow and that um we are able to repeat um like our Mantra the reasons why we're here what we did and what we're going to do to fix it we have to be saying that
and and talking to the court about that at every step of the way um so um the best uh defense is a good offense and um I urge us to do that you know post
T I agree with with the Karen's uh point and uh that she's making about being prepared for uh the worst and maybe we can uh come up
with a a a a a plan that will satisfy our needs and satisfying our fair share obligations so I don't I I can't speak for everybody else here but I I know how committed I am
to uh get it get fair fair share housing to the numbers that it has that the city has uh uh focused on for several for years before uh this Administration and the
past administration as well and I feel the frustration that that you're feeling out there because I feel it as well uh so you know we have another opportunity to get our fair share obligations met and perhaps a different way or another
way um so it's it's uh it it's very important that we are prepared uh going forward so I also agree with my fellow council members that um we do have to act sooner
rather than later um we have l a lot of time go by and that's unfortunate but we are where we are and lamenting over the past isn't going to help us so we need to have a commitment to producing an alternate approach because
we can't just walk away from something and have nothing to offset it so um I I support uh coun Kaminsky and glide and St and and you know I just want to add
to just the intent and and the fear of like my intent is that I feel that it's our dut to rigorous rigorously defend this community and what this community has articulated and the things that we've articulated back I think to in
terms of what we think that our environmental rights are and the issues with the site and you know we're not being negligent we're being dutiful to ourselves as neighbors to protect each other and that that this community is
entitled to rigorous off def offense which is going on the offense but and part of doing that is not only having a plan but being able to clearly articulate the issues with the sites why we had to abandon it what we want to do
to fix it and and how we want to move on to provide affordable housing this is a welcoming Community we want to do affordable housing we always have had in the past we've welcomed you know Habitat for Humanity with open arms you know
where that type of community so we you know and everyone deserves that defense from us incl yes absolutely what everyone said obviously uh we did have uh executive director from habitat here earlier this
evening in close session to talk about um some technal project par so moving forward uh in discussions with that um and uh speaking to the plamer uh tomorrow um hopefully we'll be able to come up with something
Concrete in the next uh week or two um so stage of as always John Town 14 Hancock um I love the positive now I just want to see the action following have the uh have the layers been put back in place that Julia pulled
off the books leaving only the High School site cool has anybody on the council made a motion put those back where they should have been or they never should have been taken off I don't think so I haven't seen anything in the in the newsletter from the city about it
anything in the me meeting minutes again I I really hope what you guys are saying is great but if we don't close or open those layers back up there's nowhere to fill but the High School
site I mean I'm not the smartest guy in the room but I know know if you don't give yourself that other option nothing's going to happen but it Builder remit so now it's on the council and the mayor get this squared away tonight stop playing around you don't
have any time left this brought up nine months ago specifically by me you all went yep yep yep yep yep nothing next thing thank you for all the work you're doing I do appreciate I understand it's tough I hope no one is disrespectful to
you but understand our frustration and the old adage can't fight City Hall we've been fighting City Hall it's gotten us nowhere it's frustrating I understand legal
obligations that aside the next quarter of business is replace this sound system you guys have because when you try to listen online it cuts out you get into it some may like say something and cut out done couldn't hear anything else so
that would be helpful for all us Zoomers or whatever your kids call us these days I don't know anyway thank you very much have a great evening uh thanks John um uh I believe that the only overlay that was removed was the one of the CL property so I believe that that that was
refrigerant the bird overlay and the four boy overlay are still intact so so nothing has changed with those those were third rounds mechanisms um the only one that was removed uh during it was removed during mayor deo's term but actually never got put on I don't think
right soind correct it's it happened during a meeting that the mayor removed the laon overlay at kind of during meeting so so what it was 2018 no it was it was in November December 2018 that's
for memory but it was late in the year and um it was to add the cost on property to it and it was not passed right but the other overlays were still there they're still in place right I know CD's right because I have the minutes uh I don't have them with me
tonight but I did have I did have them at one time they're in in my my affordable housing folder so uh that was the only one that was uh never put on yeah um and that was at the Clon Clon family came to a meeting and asked us
not to do it um and uh you know they unfortunately received a lot of negative comments and and press and um it was a hard time for them so the governing body did not move forward with that particular piece of it but all other
overlays are in place they're in our affordable housing thing is there else on the line I I just I just wanted to comment that there were other actions taken in 2020 um February 19th 2020 a planning board
meeting that took action on that and I remember it distinctly I didn't understand what was going on but I knew it wasn't good um and there was something about
removing it moving it over it had to do with me taking off the overlay well you know what maybe it was the council member uh council meeting I think it was the condemnation perhaps condemnation yes I'll tell I'll tell you
there was a m of room tra a decision moving forward to remove whatever there was well there was a condemnation on the high school and that's what was removed we continued
with the Redevelopment but when we did the Redevelopment agreement it was with the intent to condemn and and take the property so um that we still move forward with that overlay but did not move forward with condemnation con yeah that was before my
time but I know there was interest in 2020 from the Clon family to have some governing body action taken to eliminate any I don't want to I don't know how to
say it any attachment of an overlay we purchasing that property in 2020 20 not till later in the year 2021 the contract was in 2020 right purchase was done in 2021
in April I I can only tell you I just read through our affordable housing overlays are all there as our third round UNM me yeah yeah yeah I have very distinct reasons for remember so without uh John the one you were talking about
about flight and City Hall I just want to tell you that all the stuff that you guys were talking about educating everyone about the environmental issues up there that's part of the record and that is stuff that we are going to be utilizing as we defend this so uh it was very helpful and we appreciate everyone coming out and educating us about these
issues without that we would not be in p position I think we're g to be it's good point Thank you for uh for saying that counc great um I interruped okay do we have anybody else online Okay um so a motion to close
the public comment period Please all favor please say I thank youe consent agenda resolutions on the consent agenda are considered routine and shall be enacted by one motion should any member of the city council seek separate discussion of any item
that item shall be removed and discussed separately so um we are considering in the consent agenda uh resolution Solutions number 44-22 through 60225 there any questions or U ISU with
the Council on any of these resolutions okay hearing n then I would ask for a motion to adopt the consent agenda there a second second okay all in favor please say I I I that's the end of the consent agenda
I'm going to turn the next resolution over to the council president as I am eligible vote resolution number 61-22 a resolution to authorize temporary placement of an opioid
awareness bench at City Hall whereas the drug-free Task Force at safe Coalition and one voice of Her requested approval to place an opioid awareness bench at City Hall for a period of one month at City Hall and whereas the governing body
of the city of lamberville would like to join with the drug free torce and safe Coalition and one voice of Hunton to raise awareness about opioid addiction now therefore will be it resolved by the governing governing body of the city of
Lambertville that the placement of an opioid awareness bench at City Hall for one month during the Spring of 2025 is hereby authorized do I have a motion so move second second all in
favor I never did that before by thank you coun president great um moving on to resolution number 62-22 it's a resolution uh approving a settlement agreement and release with Betty Johnson and Betty I'm sorry
Johnson and Betty G ask counil St to step off the D please [Music] a chance to this um and if there any final questions or somebody motion
motion second all right yes councilwoman Kaminsky yes council president Lambert yes councilman live yes may yes right um coun like to return to the
desk return to the desk sorry you come back come back to see my shair still all right uh ask for everybody have a chance okay all in favor please say
[Music] I discussion items uh just going to have a few things to discuss this evening um as we move forward into uh consideration in the fourth round I think in my view
one of the lwh handing fruit uh is to uh der restrict the library this will require an ordinance uh for the evental of the apartment uh I just wanted to check in with the council uh to see if anybody has any your questions we potentially uh drafting ordinance to for
withed restriction a library one that's right okay so I'm going to uh instruct bill I guess to work on you who does that the preparation of detrition yeah okay thanks um next is just a qu I just
have a question for the council about cell phones and laptops so uh as I've noted I moved from my personal phone to a a separate phone line which I found to be very helpful in terms of maintaining my public record text and that kind of thing and also Ed my personal computer a
couple years ago to using a city-owned computer I just wanted to make sure that if any of the council wanted to Avail themselves of this I think it for me it worked out really it's working out very well but I just wanted to check in with the council to see if there's any interest in anybody having a city phone
or a city computer uh for your work I have no interest at all it works fine I work off the we work off like a desktop so everything is captured within um desktop so um feel really
comfortable that there's a you know back up to whatever all right yeah bad enough we have one phone right yeah no I I agree that um you know we have separate email for Council that's great I can access it
you know through my tablet my laptop I don't have it on my phone that's just because I'm lazy and um you know same thing with the Google drivve material we do you have any interest in no I
can't even control this one another one will make it twice as hard all right good thanks every I just wanted to see if but thank you for asking um dog weight management pres and I talked about this
recently it's been kind of back on in the minds of some of the public and so I just wanted to bring it up obviously we we put notices in liable matters and how people at clean up after their dogs I don't know that that have any other brilliant ideas in terms of I
okay go ahead get video posting oh no I'm I'm way ahead of you okay we could collect a DNA sample of every pet time of registration and then when there's an
offensive deposit you run the DNA files all the time doggy we are looking at like uh beautification waste things there are special waste things you can get for dog
waste and if we put them adjacent to like the uh Canal path and stuff it might save on the dog waste that is put into the C only get picked up once a week and like our can on York Street
could you come up from the notorious you know is a notorious stiner you know and leer does notice that I do move it from time to time because it just like Mell you when it come out the door but then the post office moves it
back but it is something like you know around there that you know that they don't do and um I've availed myself that and New Hope you know they they do it along the path but it is kind of a um an idea when we're looking at like Street
furniture and you know kind of unfort unification sometimes people I will say put their little baggie on my porch know I'll throw it no but yeah it just happens sometimes people leave them
in little places but but these little you know containers would be if walk up Swan Street to Cottage Hill it is notorious you got one too and there is an individual who
adamantly defiantly refuses to clean up and has for over 20 years boy that's I'm saying my complains he has a pretty derogatory term for those people I won't
repeat it um but yeah he complains about it all the time it's like a guy so it's pretty bad um is this something our Animal control officer can because and I think Lieutenant Brown
would probably be better to speak to this but when I spoke to him about it he said you have to see the person doing it in order to write you know and um that's hard because if they know someone's looking they're not going to
do it no no that's exctly it's a really small dog well I I uh I can talk to Maran Bor the chair of parks and rec again uh they Parks and Rec commission uh looked at potential you know kind of dog uh you know station dog waste bag
station Cottage yeah yeah just really you find the back place for them to could that closes you know like you know because bags are gone I don't yeah I don't find the
problem being that their bag looks it's just that they're bag and then they stink anyway um you know right right well you know you know I could conceivably talk to the DPW and see if there's some solution where we could just put one
central location near City Hall as a city hall also places like where there are like especially coming up from the canal from the toe path right you know maybe maybe we could put signage up on both sides of
of whe you're coming or going at all that at the entrance that's great but the dogs still poop and and no it's the it's just the volume of having somewhere for it to go you know because no one's going to carry
with that you the C closes like there's different things there's people that clean up but don't and then there's just people who don't even do any of that and Swan Street is the ladder
right you don't bring it for the DNA okay all right all right I think we've had at least one good idea here andna into the budget this year I'll talk to Michael in in all seriousness it's not
the people in the room but U I'll write one of my Less Pleasant uh reminders L matters again we do this every year it seems like um it's annoying and it's unsanitary you have an ordinance that you know an ordinance that you're not
supposed to put it in one of the city garbage cans too that people did matter household it's you but it's playground I mean k you must remember your kids playing football coming home with it all over the pants I mean we hear it all the
time from thanks um so we had comment the last meeting about canvas retail hours and I just wanted to give the council members an opportunity to um if they're willing to consider of State whether they would consider
expanding retail hours in the central business district um because that would require an ordinance and I don't want to put forward yeah so um uh the remaining three Council people and myself I don't know if you are prepared to share a view
point on on this does require an ordinance um so I don't want to Mo for with an ordinance that there's no possibility that it's uh that it's not going to have any else support so yeah I'm happy that put my position it hasn't changed um you know I think
we've got to look at the church Street property a little bit different than uh the other one that hasn't opened up yet um you know bake by the river has been open for over a year um you know the work that they've done uh in that neighborhood has been pretty uh pretty substantial a lot of the neighbors have
come out and spoken in support previously at other council meeting meetings um they referenced that there's a bar directly across the street that has later hours um you know I haven't heard anyone come in and say we don't think this is right for that property for make by the river uh what I have
heard is that you know people are concerned about the other property which is reasonable because they hav't opened yet we don't know how many people are going to be there there's a lot of unknowns um you know I I unfortunately they're in the same district and I guess I don't know how we deal with
that we need to you know have an attorney help us with that if able to but we're able to increase those hours for baked by the river I have no problem that it has Community Support it makes sense to me um so I would be in fav with that I think Bill want if you know hold off
just minute Phil wanted to speak to this I think we've talked about it a little bit before but I don't remember what whether there's I actually a conversation with the attorney for one of the um licens late this afternoon so I haven't been able to put anything together for the council just yet but
there may be a way um if we there's maybe a way to amend the zoning ordinance to permit businesses to go back in front of the planning board and get another condition
of their approval on a Case by casee basis and in that instance I think it may work I need to look at it a little further and I I plan to do that quickly and I the attorney actually offered to send me some um propos language you know
for the he needs um you know a lot of his practices in these businesses so he's trying to do this before um so curious to see what his proposal is and then maybe we can work off that and find a way to have this apply on a Case by case or a license by license in basis
and that that's really the only way I think so yeah so we did talked about this before we really can't do one without the other except but this no I think I don't think we can do it just for one I think we have to make the option available to all of them and then
they would it would be on them to go back to the board and have their approval amended to allow for the extra time would that would that include any can retail so regardless of zone no I do because the conditions of approval
are sorry the conditional use the way it's set up is specific by zone so okay if if it's the perf so only have that c this is okay I do want to add one other thing to what I said before I am not support of changing the union chill hours that's a totally different area
much more residential there those neighbors have contact to me they are concerned about that very opposite than the Church Street neighbors that have all been s um so Bill you you're saying
that with what you're saying would would it go as a conditional use request or appeal I'm not quite sure the right words to the zoning board and would Council take would we need to
amend would Council need to take any action it' be two parts but Council would have to amend the zoning ordinance to allow this action okay and then it would be up to the licens holder to make
the application to the board in order to get their approval and you know that would be an amended application so require notice to everyone within the 200 foot area so everyone around would have the opportunity to come and speak their mind and board consider their
options so it really um I thought it was an interesting idea I want to look at it a little further but if there's a way to do this this is something similar to this is probably good so I guess I'm not sure I'm not sure
what that I like how is that different than just amending the ordinance for that zone it's the same right well the the ordinance right now has the set um times of operation and they have at 7 p.m.
right what the language that we would add to amend the ordinance would say that um something to the effect of if after a license has been in operation for six months year however long they can they have the op to apply to the
board to get an amended approval to allow them to stay open until 8 n o' whatever okay so so there would be I guess that's why you call it unconditional use yeah pretty smallart so they have
they have to meet certain criteria to move forward with this request they'd have to demonstrate that as everyone I mean because one of you know the thing I continue to be concerned about is that the second um
second retailer business in that zone is not open there were there was you know as you probably recollect it was great concern from the residents about what the traffic flow you know impact would
be and until they're open you don't know right you don't know what that is so I would be for that reason I'm reluctant to just say yeah let's move ahead you know without you know just let's just move ahead full stop so and I think your
qualif is that the licy wouldn't be eligible to apply for this right right right with what you're saying they have to be open for a year and and that's a little bit different and then there will be a hearing where people would be able to come and talk about that plan right so it would be open for
a while their their uh the people that live around there would given notice that there would be meing opportunity to be heard and then they would make a decision so as well with the ordinance right people could come in and uh and talk so the ordinance Amendment would have to go to the planning board for
consistency reviewed as well so there would be there if there's a a way that that would work bill that that we legal way to do it the set of parameters
so we don't have to wait until any other um retail business who didn't open yet specifically we're talking about one they they would have to they would have
to conform to whatever the the the uh guidelines are that we're going to prepare just for licenses in general in the CBD so it won't automatically
trigger one who is not open to gain two hours or three hours correct yeah it's a way to it's a legal and defensible way to allow that to happen based on the discussion I had it sounds like it like again I want to see the proposed language and look at it a little bit
further but the way the way I understand it if we put you know there's a rational basis for why we're having a leny that is just whenever they're they open allow them to open for six mon three year let the community and the surrounding
neighbors get a sense of what any if any change there is to their you know because of the new business there and then if you know if the license holder wants they can make the application for the extra hour to pursue into the
language in the ordinance and any business that's been open people are used to it by now and and they'd be eligible to make the application and whenever if the council decides to go forward with this Orit so it's an interesting idea and I think it's a way
to if there's support for allowing you know these additional conditions I think it's a way to do it I think it makes a lot of sense personally and I support it in theory obviously I need to see the language and and make sure that it's um that it's appropriate and needle um and
when you think about the reissuance yearly of the of the license right uh you know we we re issue the license every year based on a set of criteria and all that so this would in my mind is just kind of an extension of you know
what the business is doing already right and a way to acknowledge you know the transition from something that was that we've you know been slightly guarded about something that uh had proved itself time and time again in terms of its responsiveness and
commitment and all that okay so we'll uh we're going to wait to from Bill about this and we'll follow up um but it seems like there's some support for that idea and that you know that will obviously uh you know pending builds legal
analysis time takes some time to do that right we know that an ordinance takes a couple of months and then we have uh move to the plan board Etc so um but sounds like a nice way in I think all right UMC Comm do there
anything on pedest safety since last meeting well um only that I guess since we didn't really cover last meeting um in keeping with the whole pedestrian safety initiative um I met with do a few
weeks ago who indicated that they would be happy to work with us on uh public pedestrian safety improvements on their state highways which is uh Main Street and then of course Bridge Street going over the bridge so we talked
hypothetically because they will work with us once um we're going to have to pass a a resolution to do so but on a plan that um that they will at their expense they'll they'll enhance the the crosswalks they can use special paint
and they do use special um reflective pedestrian safety signs um at the crosswalks they also um to work with the the the timing so what would happen at let's say bridge
and and Maine by the gas stations and Bridge and North Union that the that the pedestrian go sign you get a little bit of a head start so then the car that's queed to make the right will see you it
sounds like it's pretty out there but they say that it's actually pedestrian safety to have The Pedestrian go first and then have have the light turn because then the driver will see The Pedestrian where if it happens at the same time you know the driver makes the
right right into The Pedestrian and I know we've had that happen uh by the gas stations before my my neighbor got hit there um so we've talked about working on some of them that they would do that and um even as far back by Nico's and
the intersection down at Swan Street too um which is because that's technically 179 right and and we can look up yep and so um and then another aspect that they
can also do which has a small amount of cost sharing is along eely field and by the school they can put up flashing beacons and so we would have something not just when Burns there for school you
know at beginning and end but we could have a flashing Beacon and we'd have to take a look at one or two I know um what would be most appropriate and they'll work with us on that um and then the other thought that
I had too was we did talk I since we have a visually impaired resident on York we've talked about perhaps and I have to talk to do about this flashing Beacon there and enhancing that
crosswalk um particularly because we know that that Resident is there um so if we kind of go ahead and agree to some of this the beacons are really fairly inexpensive I think our cost share would be
$15,000 so which is a lot less than thinking you know that it's something in six figures um the type of we talk a little bit further about you know the voice activated more you know upgraded you know visually impaired you know
talks to you pedestrian safety which is much more state-ofthe-art um you know there's a bigger cost to that um you know but we could look at some of those and they work out with us a plan at one
or two locations but we could also look to our legislators for some special funding for that in years to come when we have that as a as a phase to because again relative to you know a million
dollar project it would be cost a lot less maybe 100 or you know for 200 from them but that would be a possible like phase two but the first order of business is to get you know this coste
efficient pedestrian safety down you know we have more and more people coming to town we have you know a ton of kids right are crossing there that you know it's been forever are we all running across the road there you know get to Ramblers or baseball or just to do that
or even walk in your dog you know so um I look forward to working with them they're great to work with and and this is the year for pedestrian safety Governor has even talked a lot about it and um you know there's PL Vision zero the whole goal is to not have any
incidents in your town so um I hope to come back with you know work with do to come back with the full you know blown plan but based on those Concepts this A D tail in I was I was um at a state and they actually had the
voice control the voice telling you when the light turn it said you know Green Light cross cross you know instead of counting down the numbers as we do when we watch it was voice there was a voice also to to make sure the safe for the
safety people that were in Paris yeah and they'll cue those too to start The Pedestrian early so then the car doesn't you it was pretty interesting to stand on a corner though he the yelling at you AC cross actually coming from the unit
so hurry up thank you for your leadership on that appreciate it I'm sure everyone else can does as well all right ordinances first reading uh tonight we introdu ordinance number 02 d225 an ordinance to amend the
Lambertville city code 2014 chapter 7 traffic to install an incap parment space in front of 407 Delware Avenue requested by John rakus um public hearing for this would be scheduled for March 20th approved
that we would offer handicap space in front of 47 now I any questions from Council on this I do this pretty regularly um so I would ask for motion to introduce ordinance number 02-2020 our first reading will be
h a hearing scheduled for March 20th 25 second all pleas say I thank you um the next is ordinates number 03225 this is an ordinance of the city of Lambertville and the county of Hunan
New Jersey provid of environmental investigation and Remediation our par in and for the city appropriating $40,000 there an authorizing the issuance of 140,000 in general Improvement bonds or notes to the city to finance the
same um so this will fund additional improvements associated with the environmental investigation and Remediation of cabalo Park uh I did send out um in M matters uh you know kind of what's happening there it's been a long story bill and I have been working on on
a number of things related to the park since 2022 um and uh it's important that we appropriate the These funds we may not end up spending them all depends on with the initial testing uh with next R of testing games um but this is kind of the
the outside figure for testing and potential remediation um it's uh we're very sorry to close the park believe me I've heard from a number of residents on this I've have conversations with parks and r chair to see if there are other ways
that we can compensate for the lot of this park the lot of young children um I know that they were going to be moving some of the swings over to um to Il field um and we're open to suggestions um from the community about other ways in which we can create space uh or use
existing space uh in a way that is uh both safe and available for for the children of the city um I do not know how long this part is going to be clear I would think at a minimum it's probably fair to say six months um by the time we go through all of the you know the bonding and the testing and the results
and any potential remediation we'll certainly keep everybody informed um uh about the status of it um as we as we move forward um so are there any any concerns or questions with introducing this ordinance from the council yes just a
question so um as we look into this if we determine that one of the contractors did something inappropriate I would assume we're going to be looking to improve this if possible Bill yes we've I've had a conversation with Bill about this um absolutely I mean this this is a problem that goes back to
2017 right so um what's that before before then yeah 2015 2013 something like that so absolutely we're exploring that there's still um we have a lot of information that we've gathered um just in the last few weeks uh you know we as
soon as became apparent that we need to do this we did not wait um closed it very quickly once we determined that that was the best uh course of action um but there's still a lot of data to there's still a lot of documents to be gathered um we've got to go back I just had a conversation with I think was it
for you today or somebody today about some some further research about potential documents the city might have um anyway we'll talk about it we'll keep everybody informed um there a mountain P work with this and uh um as I said I I I feel bad that we have to close the part
but it's the safest thing to do obviously the the clear the clear decision question yes U I don't recall how much uh the Green Acres funding we will be getting at the end of the day so yes thank you for bringing that up so
this started because in 2022 um we became aware that we were at risk of losing the Green Acres funding in $300,000 um because we were missing two docum two two two components that Green Acres required we were missing The Rao
which is uh the acronym for the response action outcome response action outcome which is tied into the the um the the remediation paperwork around that and also that we didn't have the deed to the park um so the city has since um acquired the deed we now own the park um
The Rao was never uh we never submitted because the lsrp the license site remediation professional um did not the the the the report was not submitted as part of The Rao and we've been trying to work through this uh now for about three
years um so uh that's where we are and I I will note it's important to note that the Green Acres funding expired in December of 2024 with this we started working we started talking to Green Acres about this specific problem in the summer it's well documented with Green
Acres um it've been very generous in terms of uh understanding the situation we've been sending them weekly or B monthly um by bi-weekly um uh kind of status reports um they they they've indicated that they will still we're
making for motion um you know work with us uh to to provide the the funding once the whatever needs to happen happens um but we really have to stay on top of it um because the funding expired in in December um for this it was I don't
remember when how long how long ago it was first U obligated but I don't remember EXA time frame then they've yeah they've allowed us to As Long As we've been following up with them they've kept it yeah open sorry so is it still it's still open it's still open
it's still they they sent the letter last summer basically saying if you don't do anything by December 31st you're losing it right we've maintained contact with them a lot since then to make yeah so we're still we're we we
could still get the money to pay they get it done so to speak well do they adjust that for inflation no they did not um all right any other questions about this we will be talking about it
on a regular basis as I have information we will be talking about it um I'm very mindful of that the par is closed um and uh we're doing bestest to move this on as quickly possible so in that note I would entertain a motion to introduce or
03225 with on first reading of the public hearing schedu March 2025 move second favor please say thank you moving on to ordinance second reading ordinance number 01225 this ordinance authorizes the
exension of release agreement between the city of lamberville Fisherman's Mark for the use of the POR of property owned by the city and located at 260 North Main Street um already talked about this in the me meeting um I will now open this up to uh the public if anybody has
any questions or concerns about this uh please step up to the Pod online okay the person online Judy do you want to go ahead uh yes thank you Judy gleon 86
North Union Street I I guess I don't really understand how this process works because although a couple of weeks to March 14th seems like we have loads of time after we've had nine months and it wasn't enough time I'm not sure I
understand why there has been no action or discussion or consideration of directing the planner to do something about the other sites tonight we're running we're running out of time and I practiced law for many years so I know it's not the last chance but I never
liked to go into a judge acting as though I know it's not the last chance I want to be ready even when it's early in the process and I'm sort of concerned that this gets brought up every every month or every meeting and nothing
happens I'm sorry to interrupt this is public comment period on the ordinance uh the lease agreement with fisherman Mark oh sorry okay uh we'll give you a chance to come back in in just a couple of minutes um for the second public uh comment
period anybody else motion hearing for ordinance number 01225 second all in favor please say I I unless there is any further question or concern from the council um I would ask the motion to adopt ordinance number
01225 second so Mo second second B all those in favor I I the motion carries correspondence um we had a letter from njd regarding the reduction in the speed
limit and traffic regulation order 24 224-18 so this I think I've talked a little bit about this in the past um we have approved for reduction in speed um from the West anal Township Line on 29
to um M post 1807 to 1848 which is n road we have no idea where that is but uh I think it's around 101 South Main Street um the reduction there would be from 40 m per hour to 35 miles hour and
then from that location uh to the um let see Zone B to Mount Hope Street would be 25 miles an hour do I have this right yeah this is letter said okay yeah so that was my understand I'm just the way
I'm reading this is a little bit confusing it it is confusing so so yeah so it's 35 miles it's now 35 miles hour from the city line to about 101 South Main Street from 101 South Main Street to the traffic light it goes from 35
miles hour to 25 miles an hour okay so the signage will be installed at some point by the do so keep an eye on for it um can we get uh there to get some tickets out right away so people notice the CH it's a very you've got there
[Music] sced board appointments are following nominations uh Rights Council and Cynthia Richards to serve on the Shak C commission everybody information about these two um these two nominations any
questions about please motion second all right all in favor please say hi thanks all right uh ongoing projects um didn't have too much here um I did note
that uh we did have a lot of water this weekend on Sunday um and I was pleased to see that the essentially a ditch behind the school um behaved very well and move the water down where it needed to go so I was pleased about that um it's a final um regulatory hurdle for
the um um the USDA project behind the firehouse not the USDA yeah the USDA project um behind the firehouse uh has been met the uh Honan County Soil Conservation District granted approval for that project a meeting with
Princeton hyro on Tuesday to discuss the bid um hoping the bid will go out in the next week or two um and we'll get that into construction just as quickly as possible that did Flood on Sunday I was there with Lester um was one of the areas that flooded and he had the back
out kind of deal with that so I join everyone in the firehouse and being very excited and eager to uh to have that to have that construction um see think that's all I have to say on
ongoing projects um uh just a couple of announcements uh we are looking for a parking enforcement uh officer part-time you there's a position uh primary responsibility is to ensure comply with parking laws ordinances and issue citations to
violations PO officers are assigned to a particular geographical area uh which they Patrol and monitor violations such as parking in no parking Zone fired meters and other types ofal parking the officers may also do collecting Mon and parking years these are Saturday and
Sunday for approximately 42 hours a week C 18 years old that's a Val New Jersey with from Street background sh um if any of you are looking for R works I'll Che Lieutenant Brown um got posted I think posted on City website now posted on the
city website and uh we put it out in number hours um one other announcement and I will be posting this as soon as the as soon as the draft becomes final um the finance team to meet with S&P last week or two weeks ago um 10 days
ago um and the call very well we've gotten the draft on uh affirming our da rating um language in the the draft which I'm not going to share is uh is very positive so we'll wait till that's finalized and um I will post that to the to the website they they do know in
particular which is this is not a uh uh I can share this uh we ended the year last year with a fund balance increase of about $54,000 so that that should be something that we can all celebrate please note that you can go to uh the website for all our news for
Facebook uh news announcements uh when someone gets posted on Facebook and simultaneously get posted to the city website so please continue to look either at at the city's page on Facebook or the website if you ever had a question about street cleaning or trash uh changes and that kind of thing um
Monday February 17th we've already passed we talk about that um dog and C I'm sorry I thought that was all for this that's okay um dog C senses were are do know later than 28 to avoid late Fe Land administrations I do no later
than March 31st to late Fe um and we will open up to the second public participation Jones saying apply three minutes please address PA stevens9 or Street um as you allware I try to
attend as many of these meetings that I can I try to follow up online afterwards I have to admit that earlier tonight when I heard that there is some consideration of Fisherman's Mark buying part of property up at the bonite I
think couldn't believe it because that's the one area that we own that we have control over and with the the predicament we're in on affordable housing right now to sell off part of the property that we have control of without it
contributing and maybe it will contribute I don't know like I say I this is the first time heard about it of our affordable housing we need five units now all right we're not going to get a project with a set aside for the
100 units for which we will get the fly it's going to have to come from some sort of city a nonprofit coordination or something like this and the the most critical thing in my mind is getting B in compliance and it becomes even more
critical now that they're starting to thre legal as so to think about selling off part of it the land that we actually have control of makes no sense to me okay and then my under comment is if we
get talking crosswalks please have them use bur's voice on it we'll do uh just um so you there's there's a couple different sections obviously there's the Log Cabin section where we
are actively planning an affordable housing you know project which would be 100% affordable there and so the hope is that we're going to be able to move those units that were originally on the police site that were out of compliance we've got to work on uh putting them on that part of the proper with the law
cabinet so we're absolutely that is a priority there's been discussion on that and I think that you know that's the immediate need right away and what you said was exactly right we've got to get back compliance well the other thing though is we also have the fourth round okay and so sell up anything there
doesn't make sense until we have a complete plan for the whole site and I said this a year ago uh you know these oneof things are eating away at the flexibility we have and the potential we have and that's I don't
know how to explain it any better than that thank you Paul we have talked about uh the sale of the farm market U repeatedly I I is that not true in public meetings um um many times well so
I'm making my comment thank you but uh I I would also note that in these conversations about selling the F Market um that we have had now for probably the better part of a year and a half you know we're also mindful of the the the
the debt to purchase the property and that uh while you know the council seems uh you know just premature to say but you know what we're considering giving part of the property to affordable housing you know we're also mindful of
our fiduciary responsibilities and selling the selling the part of the the farm market to Fisherman's Mark uh for more than the uh appraise value it's a good way for us to pay down the part of the debt on that and so we're not going to go back and forth here but I'm happy
to have a conversation with you about this but we're uh you know we have talked about this repeatedly so thank you uh Jeff TI 33 Wilson Street I wanted to follow up a little bit on par um do we know what types of chemicals that they
found in the soil this was soil that was brought in what I was able to figure out a little bit online is there any real knowledge of what what what's what's in that soil it's it was cleaned up there supposed to be a liner and then cleaned fill was supposed to be put on top that was the work plan there was no
certification in the end we do we lack a certification for the C fi so so you want to handle this I'm happy to but we do I I don't want to misstate them we do have the information it's available we can how we can make it another well I
mean I'm I'm concerned for two reasons one the grandkids have played there for a long time and other kids and you know little ones in particular tend to play around in soil more I mean the the barrier of the witchs was really a good
thing to do plus it's better than that rubber that gives all toxic chemicals the other thing too is soil's supposed to be manifested it's it's contaminate so there should have been a manifest and should have been the Manifest of what came on the site and then the second
piece and this is a bill that this is a l by the way I did not support I I got held out son sponsor because because it gives too much power to the license like professional uh who signed up an Roa is similar to was called an NFA but they
can't do that because that would be illegal because that's saying it's a government action it's actually a private action under the law so the lsrp who was in charge of charge of testing the remediation
plan carrying off on the remediation plan and then signing off with the with the Roa he has a license and you got to find out what this what this guy did if he allowed contaminated soil to come on that property it's his responsibility not just a contractor with him and you
can go after his license you can also go after them for damage because the other thing is also scary under New Jersey standards cleanup standard for a playground is actually lesser than it is for a house even though their children because it's open air uh they figure with the
voccs get to evaporate or whatever uh so it's it's a serious issue and the town has to really go after the whoever that license is professional was and who um you know who signed off on it where the soil came from and that segs way to me
into the hill if they bring in an lsrp up there we can't trust it in other towns I tell the town where I've worked bring in their own because if this guy if this guy can scrp a playground what can they do on that that hill where we have an unlined landfill is been closed
a former Factory dumping all over the place illegal dumping soils from from a Orchard so hopefully get C part fixed you know soon uh because there kids in this town on the south end of town we have nothing to go up to e field when my
granddaughter was two I'd have to she'd walk up there and I had to carry her back so my my back was kill um but anyway I think this park is a good lesson on why we should be building a residential on the town size Jesse B stur Street um keep my comment
short I just wanted to sincerely say thank you to council over really I know you all have a lot on your plate right now and you're doing an excellent job with it um so I really appreciate you taking the time to consider this I really appreciate you all doing your due diligence I really appreciate you keeping the community in mind um and I
really appreciate the opportunity to continue this conversation with the retail hours um so again just sincerely thank you are capable of juggling a little bit so happy to you do it oh John Town scan 14 hand
uh couple of quick things uh thank you for remembering 179 because that crosswalk right uh second Parks don't foret forget about the park up on Handcock street that could use some love if you're going to moving equipment just saying sorry it's not going to help you
back I can drive up there oh okay okay um thirdly I I don't know if the city still owns the property or not um directly across from well in front of CBS if you
will uh when I came here in the um in the 80s there were four houses that sat there I believe those were I mean they were bulldozed I know that because we did uh live fire drills there but that it that will burn drills anyway um keep
that in mind those are actually it's either four or five building lots that unless CBS owns that I don't know that they do that's John we own it and it's part of our open space inventory we purchased it with open space funds okay
it's it's it's de it as a park open space fun of parking so that's that between 29 and 29 Cher stre yeah cherry and and me
North Union I'm lost sorry I AP North I think the city does own part of that but it's not as big as what it may have been back then I'm sorry can we clarify where we're talking about as I'm don't understand we talking about the park on Cherry Street
no no no I moved to a different subject I apologize okay sorry if you're coming down into town here's charry Lane here CVS and the the property directly in front of CDs basically across from the steps that go to wherever that was
building Lots back in the day I don't know why we don't CBS lot right I mean it's all that one L they only think CBS owned up until the end of their lot I don't think they all way up do do you name the spot you know where the The Collector is for the
clothes on the in the CBS are you saying it it faces 29 the were houses people put political signs too yeah but I don't think it's as wide as it was because I don't I don't think we
do there was a there was one house there and it was close to two Village Apartments and that was taken down you can actually see part of the foundation is still there the wart but that's the only thing from my memory that I ever remember having I thought there were at
least three or four houses there maybe five see look at the tax m see I mean it's just it's maybe something for us to utilize to meet our affordable housing that's all thank you um so while we're talking about affordable housing I
would just like to encourage everybody to come to the affordable housing advisory committee meeting on Wednesday night council members one of the things that we're going to be doing this week uh par have drafted a map uh we do have a spreadsheet all viable sites for
affordable housing in the city we will be talking about those sites publicly um sending letter to all Property Owners this week uh who have properties that may be uh a viable uh part viable um for affordable housing so um you know we'll
have a big map there and people can see just like John said too if there are property that we're not aware of that's the purpose of this committee to let us know about them so we can inventory them and put them on the map we're color coding we're sort of kind of prioritizing and ranking on you know what is the most feasible what are we
going to get out of it terms of Our obligation and so yeah I mean more people have information about that come to the committee meeting email us let us know this is a question at Dave bird 255 runs Avenue this is a question all the
if the city has some property in Green Acres is there some mechanism all right if it's needed for another purpose that that uh restriction can be REM I.E affordable housing
well something to do this but it's a you have to not only you there's a you have to go through a pretty extensive process takes a couple years but but you do have to you don't necessarily approval is an
automatic but you also have to replace the property in kind and it's like a 2: one or a three to on um three to one three to one three to one so you you really you have to provide three more times the property to be able to do that
they aren't very often granted uh for do that and that's the reason it's on our open space inventory and we utilize the Green Acres money and participate in the program for the ability to you know keep it open in perpetuity right but if
there's a municipal need all right and again I I work on logic so that's probably the state right but yeah but then we have to find three times more the property so it's kind of like property up on the hill you can't
we keep green right right it's already in unfortunately hey yeah right it's like don't let's not start about that one just that I think it's worth somebody asking a question in today and with this situation and you know because
we're in a we're in a hard spot all right and that would give us you know some housing there's already sewer there's already roope gas all right and you know the Green Acres is is wonderful all right but we you know we have other needs
right now and it may may be a way it's worth a question it's worth asking just just to follow up on your statement uh when we were running uh for office we looked at uh other areas to be
developing or maybe maybe it was before before that time but CU Julia was the mayor the uh oh that's right yeah was yeah okay the uh I inquired about just what you said um and it does require as as Bill
said uh a certain amount of exchange property and at that time I don't think we owned the hill yet but but what uh the cost of property no we but there was some uh there was yeah so that came
up in discussion because there was a plan at one time when when the current owner of the property was going to develop it uh and put in eight maybe eight tow houses along there so I think
I think it it was a it was a challenge that we couldn't mean to swap to swap the property SW of and but it doesn't hurt to ask ask a question all right and and look at look at it as a way of you know because I'm sure we didn't get that
much money you know to pay for it originally it wasn't cheap but yeah so but I I would certainly think I mean that would you're saying eight that could be a big hit towards your round four oh
absolutely the only the only thing I would just say is uh is often almost always Complicated by how it's going to how it's going to be paved for right so we' been talk Habitat Humanity we' already had conversation we
had a conversation tonight about what what what's the fun right so in some in a situation like if we're considering habitat up at the W Park we own the land right so it's so so that's great it makes it much more
doable and but but their other Financial considerations and and you know they have to find their funding and then we have to chip in some part of ours so you know the funding on any project is can be very complicated I'm sure could speak
to this or or any of this stuff before so it's just another thing we have to be thinking about even if we have land it's how is who's got paper funding funding is complicated the Burgess sometime too but I understand I
want speak first has been up long okay Stephanie you want to go ahead yeah thank you thank you very much um I just have a Stephanie Moss 12 Delan
Street um just a comment with regard to the Cannabis um expanded hours if if you will um that might make it a little bit easier from a standpoint of if you looked at it from a standpoint of micro
dispensary um expanded hours as opposed to a non micro dispensary um you're looking at within the CBD district um so a micro dispensary might be able to go to the
other end to the 900 p.m. as opposed to one that is going to have more business coming through if you will than what the micro dispensary is allowed to give um so I'm just wondering
if in the ordinance it might be able to say micro dispensaries are allowed to go from X to 9 as opposed to um any of the non um non micro dispensaries
I just think uh I I have to agree with uh the bake by the river that they're there in the central bus business district um where they have shops and uh
bars that are open past the 7:00 time so um as opposed to say The Jersey Girls or the union chill or any of the other that are being considered um but if if you looked at it from a micro
dispensary standpoint it would be an easy fix just a thought um thinking about that second thing is talking about dog poop if you will um uh Karen I totally
get the the one by the post office that gets filled up because God gosh knows my dog um and I dispose of ours and Cindy I did not know that there was an ordinance that I couldn't put it into the the the
city's trash I will learn um but I totally get that I always call it um either voting or uh doing a a a sending a letter um I think the more
important is is the fact that people don't pick up um their poop it's not so much that they get rid of their poop it's that they don't pick it up and I don't know up in the village 2 they have um bags that are easily um given um I
don't know if that makes anybody go so anyway that's my thought process thank you Lindsay I'm done thanks bye bye you have any any response to this notion that we could potentially handle
micr businesses differently than the than the other retails even even though they're in the same Zone all right now okay I'm sorry Bill no I don't have a response right now I I'll I'll review it I I'll stop I thanks for the idea Stephanie um if you can hold on we're
just we have one other person online who was before before you okay Judy your time is now uh Judy gleon 86 North Union Street um I'm just revisiting again the issue of doing something about having
the planner come up with a plan with some of the properties so that we are better prepared for this motion date and better prepared for everything else we're spending all this time now talking about this stuff as though it's a brand new idea this has been going on for
months please don't back us into that corner of we have to do something because it's too late and we're going to have the Builder's remedy please don't do that I don't know why there can't be any action taken tonight by this Council to say yes
ask the planner to come up with something with respect to the to the uh locations you're talking about and I just heard in the last five minutes or 10 minutes that there's places you're talking about so let's just move the ball here this should not be so hard to
figure out why don't we actually see about a plan thank you hi Maran Robbins 103 South Main Street love the dot plan being on the south end of town and in that speed zone and seeing kids cross the crosswalks I'm
also wondering you know eventually if during the school hours even at that south end of town if we could have the flashing lights or the warnings because the kids are crossing over the highway not just a stream um and what we see them every morning right there's lots of
teenagers lots of little kids with their mothers and so down street the other um ask that I have if anyone's aware of the um back race when I say the back race yes okay so my husband and I go there two or three times a year to clean it
out because there's it's on the other side you know it's in the back so it's not well seen by anybody unless you're going across that little Bridge there's lots of junk there's lots of crap there's lots of bottles there's lots of balls so I was wondering if we get a sign this say at least no dumping at
least taking a little stance because as we were getting older it's becoming a little bit harder to go down there with our poles and everything else to fish the stuff out so be great sure so a couple of thoughts um the crosswalk
finally we've got one there you know I was I've been trying to get this for three years so we on it uh and you know in terms of you know I can talk to Lieutenant Brown the city's interested in hiring a crossing guard for that during school hours that's something that I'm happy to talk about I don't
know whether that's possible with the D I don't know what we need to do but happy to talk about that so I'm going to put that on my list of things to talk to Lieutenant Brown about I'm happy to Circle back um the back race is not owned by the city I know um and so we can't put signage there without the DNR
uh can Canal Parks approval we did have uh the Boy Scouts last last year go in and pull out a ton of stuff which the DPW then carved away from the the parking l caval park there was an encampment there I went down and I you know personally sort of looked all that
happening yeah all that was happening um in fact we just had uh somebody that administrator from Titusville contact us about you know their Community down along the river residents are frustrated by the litter there you know we responded that we have to ask that I mean there there are definitely people
who in this community who go out and do the kind of you're talking about um and we are part of the river the Del River September and DPW helps with that um but you know it's it's a question of you know can we get volunteers so if I
went to like the friends of the Delaware Canal which I'm a member of then we could ask them if they could put signage there because they would be part of that state um volunteer organization I guess I mean it's not going you know public
well yeah I mean my concern is that people who are going to throw stuff are not going to care about sence right um yeah um you know something that's on my radar from time to time um and you know try I'm trying happy to sort of
organize volunteer efforts uh certainly the par and recommission has people that that volunteer and uh you know it's just a question of getting in their uh you know I'm not sh from the canal par just to go and support so okay great well anyway I can
help thank you so much there are lip readers out there though I don't think they work for the DN anyone else in the room delete that right at maybe that's one of those things that uh the sound system
deleted right all right so it looks like we're all done with public I'll ask for motion to close the all in favor please say I I and we do not need to go into a second close session this time so I would ask for a
motion to in favor very much for coming this evening was good to see everyone