set up here that's what we are Mondays SP days to have meetings we all agreed to it yeah yeah I was just like wondering you're so I think there's also like schools like I know Kelly's School her
kids school was starting a little late and everything because the super so that's what threw it off a little bit today right okay yeah my social associate isn't crazy about it at all because I had to be out the door this morning oh she lives in Highland
Park it's an and you know there was the additional concern I I don't think we got what they said we were going to par every bit of what they said six in or something yeah we're on like one to
three kind of we're always on that break one right just at the South or just this time I think the storm is coming from the south yeah more yeah count H when I'm in the moment it's beautiful I love it but then as soon as it starts getting dirty I want it to go
away yeah um did Cindy Reach Out Kelly reach out to you no she said she did she's just looking for a zoom link okay uh can you tell her to go into the calendar then um if she
goes and then I'll promote her I can copy it once I'm in it should be able to invite right yes should be able she says she going track through the calendar okay so she's in okay
just thank you wow so efficient I guess she's in yeah I'm promoting her yes she should be able to hear us Ellie yes hi wow
thanks I said should we start yes I okay so um can you read the statement please yes this meeting is being held in compliance with the open public meetings act with notice provided to the Trenton Times the hund county Democrat and the
meeting agenda was posted to the website and the bulletin board at City Hall all call yes pleas Paul cool Brian Kelly here Michelle Harris present Paul Stevens here Julia Taylor She's On
David Min here Sean Goodwin here councilman Li here mayor Nock is actually taking his son to colleges and for yes please [Music]
Unice right uh I think first we'll begin uh mayor wanted me to talk about some or guess review the documents that were sent to the committee and I believe they were all upload into the folder right yes great uh
so so the first thing we have is uh the meeting notes from last meeting uh we also have a memo a memo uh to the mayor from our city clerk regarding affordable housing uh just talking about your duties and
responsibilities uh then we also have your time sheet uh more importantly uh properties to investigate we started to put together a document uh so we can keep track of all Thea available properties that we think may need to affordable housing uh Cindy's been
keeping that for us and that is also in the [Music] folder and lastly we have our timeline that we worked on at the last meeting uh we did publish this to the website and we also included it in lville matters a
link as well so people uh could see this so all right all right great uh so let's first start with the mission statement uh we just real Qui one of the documents there the minutes uh do we approve those or
whatever or I did have a comment some that uh because in particular um the where it talked about it was about that we were it seemed like
there was a statement in there about only looking at the fourth round and after the meeting there was a lot of discussion on that I thought we kind of gotten to the point where where we were comfortable with it because the
third and fourth round are so intertwined kind of have to look at them together no absolutely and um after the council meeting this past week I think we need to be clear about that the minut should reflect that that's the case so
the minutes that was just a app that I had that records it and takes notes uh and so that was just a transcript of what we were speaking about uh you are correct the mayor uh you know said afterward that he did not speak as eloquently as he would have liked about that we had a good discussion about that at the meeting and we are looking at the
third or fourth rounds you have to they're intertwined um and so I know the mission statement uh that we've been working on also addresses that as well so people are clear that that's what we're looking at so uh I guess subject to that correction uh does anyone else
have any issue with any minutes uh then I'll take a motion to approve so all in favor all right the minutes are approved uh so Michelle let's go to you with our
mission statement and Pa sure so um so we met uh and collaborated on um a couple of rounds of drafts and came up with two versions for the committee to consider kind of ran out of time with football
game yeah um so but and I think having the um multiple versions for the committee to look at also reflects the diversity of thought that we have on the committee and in the community at large so rather than coming up with something one thing that's conclusive we um
presented two um so they were sent Evan to you and to the mayor are they going to be added to the folder for people to consider yes so we're going to put them in the folder and I think what we should do is if you just want to talk about them now we'll probably let's approve them the next meeting okay we can
continue to TW them a little bit okay so um just a reminder and it's in one of the documents that kind of recalling there are a lot of things that can be incorporated in the mission State we're trying to accomplish a lot but it should be brief and declarative just saying what we're
trying to Sol problem we're trying to solve um what we're doing to solve it and what value it adds so it's a really hemmed in kind of um statement um so uh there were a couple of resources that we had to draw on to develop them one was
all of the meeting min and previous Communications and um input from the community that we had heard um plus the direction from from this committee um and uh so as well um Julia Taylor had
sent us some thoughts on uh just her initial thoughts and they went beyond a mission statement so the versions of the mission statement you'll see are um conceptually reflective of some of the input that she provided but what you'll
also see is there's another document so we don't lose her thoughts they were really Broad and good and things to consider so those are put there um in the folder as well um and just labeled commitment to action so it's it could be goals objectives and so on but it goes
beyond the mission statement so you understand like that you're seeing two different things great uh yeah I mean the only thing I'd add to that is yeah we tried to take the feedback that we've heard from a lot of different points of view uh and uh on
what should come out of this and uh it's only about four or five cents as long show saying very hopefully short and concise I think mostly you'll see that it's just we didn't get the final words SMI done what it gets down to okay great
yeah I review both my thought both very strong um so what I would suggest is uh we have on the folder everyone will have an opportunity to look at them for the next meeting I'm sure the mayor would like to to review them as well and offer any input and then we'll be able to uh
finalize them and vote on that at the next meeting uh we just uh discussed the uh mission statement and we uploaded those documents before and we will them at the next great
uh uh the next thing we're to talk about is the FAQ and as Julie is plugging in one talk about that [Music] and yeah so Julia worked on prior EIC so uh we talked and thought that the new
ones just incorporate a lot of the same information regarding like statute requirements um like procedure nomenclature and so on um and we thought that it was a it should one thing that should prioritize was like theu concerns
um and like kind of spelling information that is somewhat rampant um and uh hopefully include like a timeline of the process and uh it's somewhat Limited in like forward looking information if can
provide just don't have a lot of that right now um so I should just focus on like directly on um concerns of uh yeah so I think that um C probably tell you there's a the same questions we be getting over time with people that
just you know the affordable housing Concept in the law is very hard to understand I'm a lawyer took me a long time to to understand it so certainly I wouldn't expect you know nor person to uh really be able to gr from these Concepts immediately so I think having the FAQ is a great tool for residents to
be able to look at and understand as you said the timeline but also the N clature um I think with the the FAQ you guys did before that probably just surrounded the third round because obviously I don't think they issued any fourth round rules so I don't know if there's anything we
want to include about that or not yeah we would have to talk about what our obligations are um [Music] not yes we do need to talk about the but the the basic principles are the same and the definitions of what the
different buckets that we have to fill are the same and we've put out the information over and over and over again it is very complicated but people come the reality is people come to the conversation of times unprepared and so we end up have to reiterate over and over and over again and it just is what
it is well I think it's easy for people to go to social media sometimes and pull something off that is necessarily accurate and then um you know we'd like them to go to the website where there the accurate information that we're putting out there um I do think one thing we want to put in the FAQ is just to highlight that there were some rule
changes between the third round fourth round because that's confusing to people as we you know look at different credits and everything so I think we don't need to explain the rules but I think we just need to say that there's a you know a change in some of those it's just a to it um because I think some confusion is
when we're talking about the third round versus the fourth round how we're getting some of these numbers they're not completely understanding that can I offer a suggestion for a resource in case it's helpful fair housing center has put out a very good Guide to the fourth round um that you might find
helpful just in terms of summarizing the changes and new crediting and stuff like that um is that the document you sent out yeah it might have been you sent out documents and I read that I did find it very useful it's about 36 pages long that's the one
about I I couldn't remember how far that had gotten I'm not sure it's on the website so for whatever that's so I would we also see this as a living document because like you were saying you know there's a lot of questions that are going to come out in
the future and I kind of need to make a commitment to tell people look you know you might want to check this out periodically yeah no definitely certainly it's meant to be a living document where we're going to continue to updated as uh as we go through this process so that's a good point I think
you know if we are seeing that there's a little hole we should come back and let people know what that is absolutely I ask a quick question for those of us who who may have listened to the council meeting where folks came out I mean I'm kind of wondering where everybody feels
that meeting landed and I I think the the point earlier about how complex this is was really really played out at that meeting from my perspective right because you start with focusing on the development that everybody was upset about the time you finish talking about it people even if they don't fully
understand it they know this is more than they thought it was right they know that it's complicated I'm wondering whether anything from that that meeting gets put into the FAQs um and again I'm not sure where I thought it came out was just that that there were a lot of people who were
tored up of a particular thing they weren't really looking at it in the context of affordable housing they were just looking at an objection to that development for all the reasons that they they listed at the end I think they realized that this is much bigger than that and that this that was just a piece
of it and that there's a whole lot more that you know going to have to do that allows us to meet the obligations moving forward I'm just wondering whether anyone thinks there's something that comes out of that some nugget or two that really not having seen the FAQs yet that should go in the FAQs and maybe we
don't have to answer it now but just reflect on what happened at that meeting because I thought that was a that's how long it takes to explain two and a half hours right yeah I think one important takeaway too is that um you know you
really need to have a forum where people can ask questions about this and it's difficult because a typical council meeting you know we have an agenda we've got stuff to do um and we just don't have that time to go through it but this is something that we absolutely need to spend more time on and allow people to
really have direct access to our professionals um you know that's what's fortunate for us on Council on the mayor we have access to the professionals we been talk to Kelly we can talk to L you can talk to Michael directly and so a lot of these questions that we have we get immediate answers but the public doesn't have that same access unless
they come to the meeting and unless we make the professionals available uh so I was very I didn't know the mayor was going to switch and pivot uh and you know have that open discussion but I thought it was wonderful um I thought the people that uh came to the meeting obviously were very charged up and very
upset for a very good reason um you know this is their backyards and um you know they're they're scared and I certainly understand why and I think they had the opportunity to listen uh to hear that we had other options available to us um and I think the most important thing my
feeling is I I think the residents they want to make sure whatever we do we're being thorough about it and thoughtful and we're just not saying hey we're going to go do this development just for the sake of doing it um so you know there is no easy solution to this problem and I think that if we work hard
through the committee uh we discuss we listen to the community um you know we vet these different options when we do come up with an option um you know hopefully the residents understand that we went through this whole process and you know we really considered everything um
so I think that's the benefit of this committee and uh hopefully we'll get some more people to come to the committee I know probably a couple people in Zoom hopefully uh but really it's public participation that's going to help us get through this process because at the end of the day you know everyone has to buy in Del with the project is that part of the mission that
you guys talked about is this idea of of expanding the community's understanding of the complexity and goals of affordable housing is that part of the mission of this group or is this something that the council and the mayor will I think it's absolutely part of our
group you know what we need to do um you know that's what we're talking about the transparency um you know one of the big complaints I've always heard is uh you know we had no idea this was in the works and you know even though it was a public matter back in 2020 2018 you know when it was voted on um nobody really
knew the ramifications and that's just part of how this aspect of law Works where a lot of that stuff is done behind in close session and you know I just think um you know it upsets people you know it's better to do it out in the open here talk about it give people the
opportunity to come and listen and speak and and learn transparency and Community uh input um are both Incorporated in both of the versions of the mission State Poli thanks and that's a great point and um you know I think when we are looking at the mission statement
that uh Michelle and Paul put together we should think about that meeting and the takeaways and you know just make sure we're on track with that I think it does hit that but um I'm just one person so um great thank you uh so anything you
want to add about the no we really we we were going to meet but I had to cancel the meeting so we haven't worked on it a great deal yet so we'll send it out to everybody so we can look at for the next meting great um and we certainly I think you know putting at a prominent place on the
website going to be helpful uh sort of at the top this is kind of what we want people to look at first uh when they're processing this information so they can start there and then build off that uh okay let's go to vacant land
analysis so the process what we are going to do is to take the third round vacant land analysis and then try to figure out or we will figure out what has changed since then are there any properties that
are newly vacant that could support affordable housing and are there any properties that were included in that that are no longer vacant and what has been the outcome of that so we have actually downloaded from tax maps where we have a subscription a list of every lot that
the city tax assessor has coded as bacon um and some of them are little tiny Corners where a building spills over the lot line and it actually belongs to that neighboring lot but it's a separate lot so it's a b we've gone through those there is in fact as far as we can tell
one lot that is newly vacant uh that might be big enough to support affordable housing we think it's probably not because it's encumbered by a category one string buffer and some steep slopes um Cindy's nodding her head it's the one up off Alex aen freek Road
where the house was demolished um but our next step is I need to talk with the building department and get a list since 2018 which is when the last vacant landed down is was done of every single thing that has changed in the city and we'll put that together and come up with
whatever the list is of lots that might support affordable housing the answer could be zero it could be some nonzero number um but we're working on that and I hope to be able to get that done early early March um we have five towns with
vacant land adjustments so it's gonna be a busy month can you explain elen how does the vacant land document relate to the properties to investigate document that we have in our folder
so a vacant land adjustment essentially says you have and I'm going to make these numbers up you have an obligation of a 100 units but you don't have enough land to build a 100 units so where is the land that could support building and at the required minimum density and a
20% set aside how many affordable units could that land and aggregate so it it is unimproved land at this point generally vacant land okay now what the rules say is the lands that generate the obligation are not
necessarily the lands where you must build housing but if the lands generate an obligation of 20 units you have to figure out where you're going to put 20 units so is the Assumption then that because that's vacant land and this is properties to investigate there's no overlap between the two that's probably
true that is probably a safe assumption Okay so have that the the total of both of those things to consider in terms of you know options to solve the problem and the new law throws one more Wrinkle In which is so and now we're going to
get into terminology when you do a vacant L adjustment you take your 100 unit obligation you split it into two buckets one of which the 20 units that the land will support is called your realistic development potential and the 80 units that the land will not support is called your unmet need
your realistic development potential is what you absolutely have to deliver your unmet need is what you in good faith will try to deliver through various mechanisms as in the third round like a mandatory set aside some overlay zoning an accessory apartment ordinance things
like that in the fourth round you have to be able to show that you have enough opportunities for redevelopment of already developed properties to cover 25% of your unmet
need so using the same numbers if our unmet need is 75 we got to figure out a way to cover 25% of that 75 through Redevelopment of existing developed properties so that's one of the reasons that list of
properties is so important is because that's going to provide the bulk of our opportunity are you saying was that a hypothetical 75 in unmet need yes okay yeah because what did we agree to 39 total 39 yeah so again I'm going to make
these numbers up Sean I am making these numbers up let's say our analysis says we have to deliver eight units 31 is the unmit need and 25% of that 31 we have to show we can
produce through properties that are likely to redevelop in the next 10 years and remind me please the properties to investigate where did this from this is conversation yeah we've been assembling this collectively okay
so um late last year I started going through properties and saying realistically well could we do a Redevelopment on and started putting together a list and then kind of everybody shared it with PE some of the people at the day and they added their
thoughts to it is mine on here no okay no but I do want to also draw the dis between Big R Redevelopment which is the process of designating a property in area of Redevelopment needed Redevelopment and drawing up a Redevelopment plan which gives the city
a lot of control over what happens but it's a long and not insignificant process to get there and little r Redevelopment which just really means repurposing of a property that's already developed so if we if somebody built something on the CVS parking lot that's
repurposing existing if we do a Redevelopment plan for the CVS lot that's very different and so we've been talking about this over the past couple months even as long as a year and when we talk about new property we would add it to the list and so when that scoke works property became available that was we
looked at and said oh you know this is something we need to add to the list and so we've been doing that but everyone should definitely look at that list because uh we we may have missed something and um you know the goal is to put as much possible on there so we can look at everything in v it and you know we can always r very important to put as
much as we can to start there and I think also we talked about we're going to prioritize those which do we think are The Highest Potential immediate opportunities who's right for a conversation exactly is anyone going to be surprised to see their address on this
list potentially um although I think most of it is you know going to be a poral property owner who probably would expect that um you know uh there have been a couple people that out to us that you know you know started to explore the idea of doing some affordable projects
so we may add a couple more on there I know Dave bird at the meeting on yeah th he indicated he had an option too that he's gonna present to us so okay well that's great yeah a small one but it
looks like four four units obviously you know Y and who's he going to present that option to uh he's going to email he's going to present it to our committee so good and so we'll add it on the list so that's the overlay zoning from the third round at
work now I believe just to clarify the question nobody's asked yet I believe that if those units come to fruition they get credited to third round unmit and have the appropriate third round bonuses available to them Etc which would I guess be better for us right
because the B if they're rental units you get a one for one bonus yeah the fourth round bonus are are there are some opportunities that weren't there there's certainly no doubt that most towns can meet their obligation by maximizing their bonuses but it's a
wider variety and a smaller match when you said if those come to us which what were you referring to if those four units that we're discussing yeah because that is a third round unmet need mechanism that overlay zoning any units it produces go to third round thread
okay thanks uh any other questions regarding the V land analysis just a quick question and this might be matter of history for the city council but has the city council uh ever uh discussed the issue whether you would
exercise so there was a big discussion uh so the uh the project on the hill was the discussion of um you know whether or not the city was going to take that um just requires a lot of money um I told people at the meeting you know you can look on courts you can go in so it's a
public record you can see how much the city was going to have to bond to buy that I people was1 18 million uh dollars and that was in 2018 prices uh so it's certainly not going to be that price now it's just it's uh cost a lot but
philosophically you haven't said we're not going to exercise every Don um I think the mayor has expressed some concerns about that but I don't think we've taken a public position uh in TR I think you know if there's an opportunity for us I think we have to investigate that um but I think the mayor's
preference would be to not go through that but I think a lot of it is based upon cost not necessarily some philosophical difference yeah and and the reason I ask is because if you you're concerned about whether people's property show up on the list then their next concern is am I going to lose this
property to take and so I don't know the FAQs whether you need to address that or just leave it un addressed at this point but I think that's the first thing people say suddenly I'm on the list and suddenly I'm losing control over the destiny of my problem um I'm going to let Kelly
jump in on this too but eminent domain is not as easy as it's out oh no first of all the the most common mechanism for doing it is through a Redevelopment plan which is what the High School site was originally was a condemnation development plan um the other way to do
it there is a mechanism by which you can do it if you're going to do it for affordable housing but it is a high hurdle to clear and Kelly have I said anything wrong or incomplete there no you're correct and and the history of trying this before I proved uh you know
just how difficult the process is but that is something we should think about especially for resal property owners on the list so that's a good good point and I think we should add that on there and we make a note to the mayor to discuss that but we might want to take a
position obviously we don't favor it we don't favor it we certainly to scare people uh thinking that you know the government's going to come in and think they're problem so it's a good point all right uh I think the next on the agenda is
mechanism so we did do a memo yeah um I think get it in front of me I don't necessarily need to go in the interest of time I have no need to walk through the entire memo in detail except if people have questions or would like me to what we did was try to prioritize
again where we thought the high potential opportunities were that would allow us to meet all of our fourth round obligations we're working on the vacant land adjustment we do have those three units that we can bring forward from the Heritage Village property um and so I I
forgot about that so so that's because we had extra from the third round we couldn't count then that's right but they were developed and so we so the long version of Heritage Village history is there are maybe 80 units there there's a large number how many
87 thank you um but many of them were built using Regional contribution agreement money from other municipalities so they get the credit for those units we only paid to build 37 so we have a maximum of 37 that we can
take credit for the rules say only 25% of your obligation can be fulfilled through age restricted units so we put some in the third round RDP we put some in the third round unmet need and we have three left overs still that come
forward into the fourth [Music] round uh did anyone have any questions about the mem um I thought it was a good point you know one of the properties we looked at was that church and you pointed out you zing would obviously have to change
there to allow that to happen yeah or again a Redevelopment plan but that's a higher bar of the the property would have to be certain criteria yeah yeah and actually Michelle was able to look at that um sens of photos and so you want to talk about
that sure um I viewed the property about a week ago with a real estate agent um it is undeniably a magnificent building um the bones of the building are solid um I by the way I'm not a real estate professional I'm not a development
professional um it's kind of my side hustle so uh so looking at it from those eyes and a potential investor in the building myself um which I'm I'm passing on for the record um so uh the bones of the building are gorgeous um the systems
there is a relatively new um heating uh system but the oil the old oil tanks are still in the basement the basement is a trip classic lamberville basement um the features of the building the architectural features of the building are really well preserved nobody's ever
painted the wood for example the wood ceiling and all of the railings and things like that um the floors are solid the structure of the building is good um I don't know anything about the roof the windows all need um some serious restoration so um the building is going
to require a really skilled creative person to develop it to convert it from what it is now into residential there are companies that specialize in that um but it's going to be a a long and expensive lift to do that um and it's my
understanding that um the church is already considering in negotiation for with with some potential buyers so that's what I learned I was not there on behalf of the committee I was there just personally but hav sh I also want to add
in like um similarly to like how concerns like popped up um after the High School site was considered worth noting at the church like 10 years ago they were like cleaning as best as out of it I think it's sa
but it it needs a lot of work and I live across the street from I know those windows have been falling down and you know hopefully whoever would purchase it is gonna fix it up the one downside to the property is there's no parking available because it's completely built out on its spot there which would
complicate development but it's a you know available spot so that's why we added it to the list to look at as we you know that all these options so um great all right uh let's move on to uh the properties to investigate uh that's
a document that should be in the drive there for everyone to look at and this is what we were talking about earlier one question do we have a share drive somewhere yes and I sent a link out to everybody did yeah um it was in the when
I I sent you all the the list of uh documents it was [Music] in I'm sure you did I remember seeing it yeah um that was the other thing too does everybody have access like this is a Google Drive so every is everybody
familiar with how they work yeah yeah I don't see the Shar Drive in my Shar D I don't know if I've been invited maybe okay we'll make sure that I'll send it out later today okay um and if anyone uh we talked about this the meeting too uh and I think uh
the mayor sent an email out if anyone does need an email address uh the city can certainly uh provide that that way we can maintain all the correspondence I think for I might want I think I do want one just because it allows me to keep everything in one spot do faor if you
want send me an email it'll take us a day or so to set it up but then you'll get a lot easier to everything in one spot there any questions later there uh so do you guys have access to the
list I did send it this called property inv was all in the same you sent it as an attachment as well as it being in the full uh so if everyone can take a look at this uh you know what I would suggest is uh you know again this a living
document we're going to continue to add properties here so if you're walking around town and you see something you say hey we might be able to do something here we should at least be keeping track of it not only for now but looking into the future too so uh so far uh you know
just going through them we've got the Rego property uh there's also the CVS lot uh then there's uh Village departments 295 North Main Street there's the house that is uh at the front of that it's in a flag lot and so
to the point earlier that this is a resid we obviously don't want to scare them um definitely will consider put a little dis on the [Music] FAQ uh so then there is 204 northan Street is that yeah spoke works so
that's a really interesting lot because it it's not uh didn't flood because it's actually a couple feet higher back there and I used to live behind it so I know our house flooded but that parking lot did not uh so you know obviously with portable housing we don't want to Danger
people don't want to build in a flood zone it's lot more complicated to do that too so this property looked very interesting um it's a huge lot back there uh there used to be another lot um but I believe it was sold that was directly behind that I think that
sold I'm not sure um I think there's two in there two in there yeah I think that was 220 yeah so I I think it's the same owner but just a different address 204 220 are there so it's where uh you know uh right
now it's Union chill before that it was B Yoga oh um and there's just a big parking lot in the back that is a gravel parking lot now um so I certainly think that has the possibility for a larger development down the road um and it's available now
it's for sale so uh some of the other property we've got Maxwell assets that's the strip um Canal properties uh we have these lumber on here uh we have another
redo property 245 North Main um there is yeah another part of the uh new Lumber would Ed for storage uh then there is 181 North Union Street that is
um that's South departments right yeah oh actually that's the it's should be Main Street that's that's not the right address but this is Department how big of the chunk of the East lber like complex are these uh
so we put everything on there so the entire n property we put on there just it's got different names I think it's in different Parcels so but we'll put it on there you know it's one of those things that who knows what's going to happen in the future hopefully they to operate the business there but at some point they
may decide to do something different and um you know good to keep track of that property because it's a very large property goes behind along the canal there so it's not just East Lumber so those houses on North Union Street in the back there's a big property back there that's
also stage J uh we also put the church on here we have uh the pey building in town 19 North Union Street uh couple other properties in so I put those on there just because
in the central business district those three properties are all single story right and there may be the opportunity to work with the property owner to build a company uh we have the St John Church uh the Jesus school on here uh which again
is theoretically an option although I I don't think that's has a very high chance of anything happening uh couple of properties uh we've got the uh little Haven uh home up on the hill uh where that might be an option for us down the
road if we can find a a company that's willing to buy and operate that I think the owners are interested it's been for sale uh they're certainly motivated uh it does need some work um and that is not family event that's that's right that's
special and does everybody here understand the difference I know we need to put this in the fa but everybody understands that special needs don't count for the your family toal uh see uh we have the the property on hul the long cabin there uh we also
have I gu a Sheriff sale 152 York Street uh we have the diamond silver building uh [Music] 24 Seeber Lane we have the bank on here and then we also have 26 treat that's
that property that's for sale multi family dwelling there that's got an existing accessory apartment in it doesn't it 26 something me yeah yeah that has to stay it has um and and we want that to stay but there are two apartments in
there and I'm not sure if everything's what's vacant and what's not so we thought maybe it was an opportunity the intention for this list so having been through many of these conversations we've had list after list and we have
all these conversations but we tend to and I think this is part of the problem for the for the community that isn't here for every meeting is that we tend to um do a lot of talking and not a lot of using the same tools over time so is the intention for this list to actually document the level of detail that we're
talking about now so that we don't have to Cons with this in me like how many units are there if so I will volunteer to update this so that it can be continually added to and sorted more easily By Priority unit number Status whatever it is so the intent is to look
at it and and Elaine like for instance 113 Swan Street right it's a small piece of property but there's an easement running through it it's on a steep slope it's got to be discounted it was in the previous vac land adjustment as discounted so we want to take a look at
this and say what are our realistic opportunities and what do we have to disconect so I will I if if if the group would like I'd be happy to sit with the first pass Lane and Sydney and just put this in slightly more useful for an ongoing conversation
format so I I think what we want to do is look at the real realistic development potential what we can actually get what credits are going to apply to the property and then at the end the most important thing is going to be a ranking and we're going to be able to look at this and we're going to be able to rank and we're going to be able to say hey these are the top options
here and these we don't we have a lot of options right now but we're at least keep track of it but I think the ranking is important as you indicated yeah numbers of the public that aren't coming every meeting you want them to be able to look at this and actually see you know these are the targets these are the options that we have what we think you
can realis how would we add more suggestions U I think just group yeah my old office on 8 Lambert Lane part of the you know Lambert square area um
we vacated last year that's 10,000 square feet the front portion of that building as you're coming in from Bridge Street it's you know one story basically 10,000 fet and he's having a lot of trouble leasing or selling that and the
back portion is under separate ownership and I think they have other plans for things but that front portion may be a Redevelopment site in my mind are you talking about where there's a where we going in
that's Tasting Room the first part of it you know River horse was part of the back section so the tasing room is going into to the river horse portion not your portion no that was going into our portion but right I'm not sure what the
length of their lease is oh okay I I thought yeah I was not involved when the overlay ordinance was adopted does the overlay ordinance cover your portion or is it just the portion behind do know I don't I don't know top of my
head I I don't remember there was something that was like from um 29 all the way to the river yeah I I don't remember I'll check it was aded in 2020 as part of the housing plan but I'll check what lot I would suggest that if
anybody has an idea that you send it to me that way I can pull up the block and lot number and add it to the the sheet eventually I think we can all add our notes to it but until we get blocked brought and just let's get the format down and then we can so for now if
everybody has ideas maybe just keep them separately and then we'll put them in a new format do we want to include if the property is in the 100e flood plan I think that's important to put on there environmental issues yeah I think we should definitely have that code as well because that's available but that I
think the one downside that area is that is low there that's why I think police station could be there because we were concerned about the money but also about it being so well a dimension of this list
include sort of what's immediate versus what might be longer term you've talked about Redevelopment and how much that takes so maybe there's I think we should have three phases of it like what do we think we can accomplish you know in the next you know five years you know 10 years and then going past that I think it's a great
idea P to make people can see that would be a really helpful thing to have just as an ongoing basis even as we get into the fifth round for example think you started P some from the longer term back to the shorter term yeah I think as you're doing this also um Julie you guys are
reformatting this I think an important part to maybe note somehow is which part of the city it's in um integration in the community has come up um repeatedly and so to be able to quickly identify where these places are we see the street
addresses all familiar but I'm really Visual and thinking about it in terms of like I wish I had better GIS capability myself I would offer to do it but I can't do that so but if it could be put on a spreadsheet somewhere to show you know this is in the CBD this is fide
this is on a hill or whatever so we can show we're not just going to try to drop in all of the um requirements kind of in one big chunk that would be resonant with the city we had talked about pairing it with a map yeah we are in
fact preparing a map that we can make a you know we can do a big 30 by 42 out that you can have in City Hall for example we can have at these meetings um and we can just Mark the blocks and lots that we're discussing we can even mark them in the color
coding immed helpful very Visual and then when we're discussing this we can even bring it here the meeting were any of the units in 295 North Main included in the plan in
Prior years prior to Ida they're completely out of the plan which means they're available for us to discussed yeah they never they were occupied when the third round plan was adopted so there was not even an opportunity there yeah and I think obviously with it being
available and not being used right now that would be one where we would code that as you know real realistic chance we have that on the list can we just um talk about the map process before you all go to the time exp oh we're waiting for
you we might want to come up with a base map and some overlays that we can sure do maybe just even you know face paper yeah so we can so we don't have one map that's out of date right tomorrow you know um I know uh we've had some people
offer to help I think more the f I don't know if she's on Zoom but she that would be one of her special she might be able to help us with the that too so I'll reach out to and talk to about that uh any other thoughts or discussion about properties to
develop oh was on they're highlighted in yellow because I believe there are conversations but and another point is when we have the property if it's known by a common name we should put that on the list too because obviously people
I think a lot of us know the Village Apartment site only because we've been talking about it so much 295 North it's kind of us but all the other ones it's known by another [Music] name I just have a question about a property because now that you know we're going over the two2 bridge all the time
back across I noticed when I look down to the Jimson Farm down there that that farm doesn't go all the way it doesn't appear to go all is that Del isn't it most of it is it's a very tiny piece of lamberville but it's Delaware and part of it's West down is that right okay
because it there a decent P back there um okay uh anything else one actually one question do do you I imagine this but do you already have a good base parcel M for the whole city oh yeah is that can you share that digitally in what format would it be
most you the answer is yes um probably from what purposes well okay in Ideal World somebody would have uh the online
version of GIS could make me a user externally so I could look at that doesn't all no well no process the is really is complicated and so we need to get to a format that is useful and
not we may have G it's with storm water but let me let me check you know what I'll take all my detailed questions offline we'll talk about's list yeah yeah figure out a way that it can be shared I know just enough G to be
dangerous exactly exactly that's what I was meaning yes uh do we have anyone online we do we have three people online no one has there okay if anyone would like to participate uh raise your hand so Cindy can promote
you nothing just a very quick update we will be filing our report which is due February 15 we'll be filing that today thank you Ela for your help you have no idea how much further ahead of
the game you are than many other towns all right uh any other uh discussion and any new business which confirm when the next meeting is for people like M have calendar items for these I forgot
I will yeah calendar invites are really helpful because I'll send them out now that it's been circulated and to and what uh what is expected of committee between now and the next meeting the looking at the calendar um
it's aggressive enough that I don't think our touch can only be at the meetings right there has to be significant work done between and I'm not sure I appreciate fully what needs to happen between now and our next meeting yeah so the the easy step is
obviously the FAQ and um the mission statement will have looked at finalized so we can move forward with that um but I think the next thing really is creating this m and the list of properties and I think what eventually we're going to do is sort of divide up the list of properties
too so we can look at that um and people can say okay we're going to take this group we're going look at this and you know really get all the details but I think that's the The Next Step once we get the maap that so if you guys are able to discuss in advance of the next
meeting and we can hopefully get a draft or a concept of what the map is going to look like I know it's going to take some time we have most of these Lots on a map not coded the way ultimately they're going to be coded but that's a small yeah yeah so if you guys can figure out
the list in priority order we can put it on a map ask is that list of properties published great question I I think so I don't know if the mayor decided that yet I think he did not want to put it down
but I I think need to so I mean it's been discussed in public meeting yeah so we did discuss that yes um so but I don't know should we put it out in this format or should it be the format well this is the problem that I think we
really need to tackle it's a working document and the minute we put it out somebody's going to download that version and GNA refer to it forever from that point on and so I do think it's a it's a pretty careful we need to be careful about this I don't think it's ready yet I would consider it still a
draft um but obviously the intention is to make it uh but you know we want to do it when it's complete uh or as complete as it can be right now um but I just think that to release the list without the map is going to be a little confusing so I'd like to do that at once if we could are
you ready for the next meeting well I don't know if the map's ready there was also the discussion about people being surprised when they find out their property might be surprised when their property showing up on a map but yeah I mean one thing I just looked at the Residential Properties there really
aren't that many there's only a small handful so one option is for the city to reach out to these people let them know but I'll talk to the mayor about how he wants to do that um I think it's a great idea uh so before we release the the list um I think we at least need to do
that first so people don't does it make sense to do that in a formal sort of more positive way you know we are very interested in speaking with you about the possibility of including your property in yeah one of the properties that's on there and I don't want to uh
say it directly but that person I think will be happy that it's on this because they want to sell the property so I don't think anyone's going to be upset about it but I don't want to scare anyone and you know certainly I think that's best practice to let them know before so and at this point that list is
nothing but due diligence are these opportunities aren't they opportun so you know it's it it could be an opportunity for the property owner too so well that's what I was saying is if we present it that way you know maybe there is no opportunity but we'd be interested in talking with you f like
the 113 sponsor we know it's not but it's on a list okay yeah um one other thing going back to the properties to investigate I know this is a complicated equation it's discounts it's bonuses it's all these things but um it's not
clear from this list what the association is with between the the address itself and what portion of Our obligation it would allow us to cover right so when you're looking at these a couple of them have the number of units
but it's also not clear to me like is that the total number of units ver is that the number of units that we would get credit for right that's a really complicated thing to express and I I get it but I think um to have an address on the the list these kind of all seem to
have equal weight if you don't know one one of one address could give us one and one address could give us 40 and it's really not clear so I think that needs to be that's valuable information that's what we have to decide yeah right which is why I'm nervous about the
versioning of this right because I I I really worry about how we release this not because I don't want it released but because I don't want it to become yet another source of confusion and misinformation and you said this and now you're lying like I can't have any more options for that right great I
think I think in the first instance it might be helpful to know once we're done the vacant land analysis what the number is so you can have an idea of you know the scope of actually how many properties you may need to identify and and again that may quell uh Fe you know
the misinformation or or fears of folks um just an idea there really is a good idea so I I think the goal should be once we do the vacant land adjustment analysis and then we incorporate that the results of that into our list then I think we're probably in a position where
we can publish that list and let people look at it because it's actually have some some there one thing that that resonated with me is that it doesn't seem like we need any more Scene or house we have so much seen so we need the family family particular family rent
that's what it was y so that's what we're looking for right all right any other business I got work all right motion toour make a motion to [Music] thank you everyone thank
you sure got let me