Okay, call the meeting to order. This is the public meeting of the local board of health for the city of Lawrence. Today is Tuesday, March 10th at 6:00 p.m. Um, roll call, please. >> Dr. Joel Gordon,
>> present. >> Steven H. Gill, >> present. >> Dr. Vabio, >> present. >> Okay, we have a quorum. Um, do I have a >> motion to accept the minutes for February 3rd, 2026? >> Second the motion. >> Do I have a second?
>> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Okay. Motion carries. Minutes are accepted for the last meeting dated February 3rd, 2026. Um, do I have those? Here they are. I'll sign these. Get that rolling.
Okay. There you go. Okay. I'd like to We don't have Caesar here today for for tobacco product sales updates. I would like to jump to and I don't believe anybody here is from the public to make any public
comments or participate. Um so we are going to jump to new business today and we were going to dive right into the Department of Public Health DPH SAF 2.0 0 performance standards for health code inspectors. Um who would like to present
that item? >> Give a quick um summary. >> Okay. >> So um my name is Pat Reese, director of inspectional services. I'm just going to give a quick sum summary of the new uh initiative from DPH. It's called uh it's
spelled SAP 2.0, but they call it safe 2.0. Um so the purpose and vision um of safe 2.0 know is a statewide initiative to transform local public health systems aiming for equity and improve safety and health of all Massachusetts residents.
Um so the the legislative uh framework is based on chapter 11 uh section 27D and section 304 to 309 of the chapter 238 of the act of 2004 signed by governor Healey. So some key components
of um safe is cross um jurisdictional um sharing. So as municipalities uh collaborate to share resources, services achieving uh econ uh economies of scale and then unified data solutions, you know, standardized data collection
analysis across all local public health entities within the state of Massachusetts and the two important ones that that's going to cover us uh as a board of health and it'll be workforce development. So, consistent qualification requirements and access to specialized training for all health code
inspectors and food inspectors. If you're doing um pool inspections, any inspections like that, everybody's going to have to have certifications through the state. Um then there going to be some performance standards, introduction of the first ever standards for local public health based on Massachusett uh
statutes and and regulations. So, the progress and investments uh over 170 professionals trained uh 322 m municipalities supported 25 webinars per year and 120 advisories issued annually.
Um there's a new uh system coming in coming into play called metric platform. Everything that we do from now on, any inspections that we do for food, health, anything like that, it's all going to go on metric. Um so they're going to be that's going to be rolling out sometime
soon. Everything started actually uh a week ago. I'm getting a lot of emails and and we have to do a couple of surveys and I just showed Dr. Bourne one like it's like 200 items that we have to come up with. It's very detailed. They
want to know everything about social services and public health. They have to input all that information. How many people, what their training is, budget, every everything. So, it's pretty detailed and everybody all 351 cities and towns have to do this. It's going to be it's going to be a a whole for
Massachusetts. uh some some support infrastructure. So technical support is available for data management, intermunicipal agreements, equity initiatives and workforce development. Uh we have the the public health uh program grant that enables uh
municipalities to cal collaborate and maintain and maintain quality standards. And then we have so the new the the new thing is coming now is compliance and reporting. So there's some new annual reporting requirements for local boards of health must submit reports to the
department of public health by August 31st of this year. So that that's new that we have to report. I'm not sure how it is yet but um we got to do some report reports uh reporting standards standardized monitoring continuous
improvements and evidence based policy development. Um so for this year uh reporting of surveys, workforce standards, they opened up February 23rd. Uh it closes April 10th for all local public health
staff including contractors, board of health members. I sent that out back to everybody. Um that's like the general one that you know the border health members have to do, the all the staff has to do. So, um that that already went out and the one that just came out today
that that myself, Amela, and um and uh with Mela need to do is called performance standards survey. Uh that that opened up March 9th. Uh and it closes April 30th and that's that's uh going to be led by assistant commissioner of health code services
and um and was as a public health nurse. Um the local impact for ISD is going to be uniform qualification requirements, access to specialized training, clear performance metrics and recognition of expertise of health code inspectors and
pool inspectors. Uh some action items and deadlines. All relevant staff must complete the workforce standards survey by April 10th, 2026. The performance standard survey must be completed by April 30th and us three going to be working on that. I could do my part as
administrator. Uh, and then I save it and then does her part and then Rosa will do her part. Um, I'm going to send it to to, you know, to the board members. That way you could you could click in, sign in, and the password is is Lawrence. Um, it's right there. Um,
this is um printed it out, but there's a lot of lot of they're requiring a lot of information. Um, some um some ongoing engagement opportunities. participated in the public health grants, cross jurisdictional partnerships, uh DPH
webinars and monitoring the metric uh platform rollout. Uh we could contact the mass DPH uh of assistance. Um and then lastly, just got to make sure that uh what else we got? So and then just
for conclusion the collaborate collaboration between the board of health and the special service department crucial for successful uh safe 2.0 inclination and alarms. Um so that's just a quick rundown of what the program and this is this is this is
in because of the law that passed in 200 19 right? >> Yeah. So right after co >> Yeah. right after co this passed and by law I think they've been working on this and now um this year starting last week uh the implementation of it will be so
it's going to we're going to be hitting the hard now to implement this for the state >> great now the work for standard survey that needs to be completed by April 10th the board of health members will also complete that survey yes further okay
there was also I saw a few emails about trainings that you had suggested that everybody take. Yes. >> Is that including the board members? >> Yes, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. They should take the next one is so we can >> So those are online. Um we have has the
the website. So you got to do ICS 100 in the command system. ICS 200 and 700. >> Okay. >> So those those all the board members have to do too. Um they're pretty easy. Just go through do them. It's just you know so the fire department, the police department, we're all in incident
command system. So we all of us you We're part of that, you know. Um, we're part of that group. So, everybody needs to know what command system basics is. Yeah. >> Would you be able to send that link to the three of us to complete those three? Thank you. >> The other one that you that you probably
want to make reference is the one um in person for um Massachusetts Association of Health. >> Yeah, tell me more about that one. So that one is actually going through the regulations laws and um what is expected
from board members to to do and to act as in the under their position. So that one is normally in person and is uh run by the association itself and you get a certification saying that you were able
to go over all those uh competencies for board members. So it's good because it kind of like have a review of what is to be a board member but also what is your position as a board member your statute your your power and how you can collaborate with the different entities
or agencies specific specifically as as um inspectional services and and health department. >> When is the next training and where is it? >> The most convenient one is probably May >> May second. >> Yeah. in Danver. They have one in I
think Fall River. They have one >> I think there's one in April or Melbourne. >> Malboro. They have one in April. >> They got four location. >> May second is Saturday. >> What's the other? >> They're all Saturdays. >> We'll send it to you.
>> May 9th and 16th. >> We can send it to you. >> So that and that's and that I think it's Is it $100? But the We going to >> Yeah, we got a >> the share services. >> We have almost all the
>> most of the stuff is going. >> Yeah. >> Is that going well? The shar services. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We have actually we have a meeting tomorrow. >> Who's going to attend that meeting? I'm just curious. >> I'm going with
>> I think Andrew is going for >> for Octavian. >> Okay. because they they're not here. They're >> they're >> Yeah, they're in Colombia. >> Oh, okay. >> That be nice. Yeah. >> So, so it's tomorrow at two, right? I
think it's two, right? >> Yeah. Two between two and three over in the city. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because one one one month we have it I mean one quarter we have it there, one quarter we have it in John back. >> I mean I think this is really long overdue say 2.0. We've been talking
about a lot of this for a number of years. I mean to include you know workforce development is going to be key to bringing our you know department into the into the you know modern age in terms of assuring that our inspectors are well qualified and well trained. You
know additionally consolid you know kind of standardizing you know reporting is is of the utmost importance. And I'm I'm most excited about some of the partner engagement and community partnerships with Methoo. We'll see we'll see how you know it seems like it's developing
albeit a little slowly >> in terms of implementing any programs with the funding that we have but I think we've we've compiled a good group of of um people that have been attending meetings and and I'm excited to see where that goes. Um
all right. Well, that's great. I think we should continue to put this on our agenda going forward >> for monthly updates. >> What else? >> So, um, so these I just want to show the credentialing timeline. So some of the stuff that they have there um I mean I
don't know if it's going to be attainable but >> well I mean it's always been a challenge to make sure that you know management and directors are you know registered sanitarian eligible which means you have to have a bachelor's or a masters with 5
years of experience. So you know sometimes that is a little challenge. I don't know if there's a sing is there any registered sanitarian in the city at this point? you know just some >> we have services. >> I was approved to get the exam but I'm not >> you know I mean management and agent and
this was our stumbling block agents to the board really need to be registered sanitarian eligible which means they most of the people in the department need you know more more credentials and education under their belt. >> Um inspectors you know really the goal
is to get people to be registered seritarians within six years. um and and have you know program specific searchs within one year. So I think that the safe 2.0 will certainly help us accomplish that some of the resources >> with the we there's a there's a training
they have to do tier one two and three. So most of most of inspectors already have already have the tier one training um I think it's like 10 or 12 core >> um um courses courses you got to take about different different things in
>> different fields >> different fields. Yeah. So border hell is wrong. >> Yeah. >> So you were you were asking for the board members what can they do? So train Massachusetts is a platform for inspectors inspe inspectional services
in the public health department. They can go there and they select what field they want to study >> um and go on course and get and get certified at least to go. So they have for board members they also have for
incident command um that field and also for inspections under food um health housing. So it goes >> it's very broad. >> It's very broad but you can select what
to do. Like for us for nurses we have infection control uh communicable diseases and stuff like that regulosis if we want to focus on that but we can go also about like housing like nurses can go and see uh and face in in terms
of when there's a challenge with health and we can be there also when >> infestation exactly pain all that stuff is in you everything related to connect absolutely >> so we % probably that information. >> Yeah. So like I you know I went in like
like they have the foundational public health certificate and there's like 30 classes. So I I I did that. I got certified in that. I did the tier one housing and then I'm going to look to do other other stuff. So just to keep you
know keep stuff fresh. >> I mean I think it's you know it's attainable. It's just it's going to be a challenge. challenge. >> Um, but you know, working in that direction only makes us a stronger, better health department. >> Um, and and I think all of our staff
should be interested in improving and working on credentials going forward >> and they are they are they've been they've been receptive sending stuff out. >> That's great. So I guess um for board members we'll do the online training
then incident command training >> and also we'll pick a weekend in May um to do the um >> May second is dam is dampers May 2nd the >> May but they have another one >> they have other >> Yeah they have they have four of them so you can pick whatever you want and then
>> in different location maybe far away but >> the same >> be more fun road trip long going to be a day trip for the boys. >> So, but we'll send you information and um um like I said, you know, it's it's $100, but they they you have to say that
you're part of the Lawrence board and >> just let me know and I send the email to to Great. Great. Okay. Shared services coming through clutch. Okay, let's move on. I think this is a great start for
SAFE 2.0. 0 performance standards. Um it's something that we we should really focus on going forward because I think it's really going to um help us uh improve. Um >> and once I once once we complete that, we're going to we're going to we're
going to get a uh a report back from the state and they're going to they're going to tell us what we need help on, what whatever. So it's pretty detailed. >> Once I complete it, we'll get it back and then I'll send it to the board. >> Okay. Good. All right. Let's move on to handicap plate discussion.
>> Oh, that's >> who wants to to uh present handicap plate. Who put it on the agenda? >> So, >> I think it was >> so I ended up putting it on the agenda from the suggestion from the prior meeting. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> That was the one that I
>> think you suggested. >> Is there something that you think from a policy standpoint we can we can do anything or go? We better we better do something in the city. >> Well, what is better? >> What's your take on it? Let's see what you have to say.
>> As a provider, I can tell you I have like a five applicants every day on the city just on my office looking for handicap late. Reason because they don't have a parking spot because the city is overpop populated. >> Reason because my neighbor have a PL the
handicap plate and he's 65. I'm 65 as well. So I need one reason because I use a walker and I need a handicap plate. They don't drive. They don't have a car but they need a handicap plate. And this become to be ridiculous and abuse the
system right now. And we know I don't want to get on detail but you know how loading is being abused in every single aspect for the population >> and this is just getting out of control. You don't find parking spot no matter what anywhere in Lawrence. You'll find a
handsome guy, young strong getting out of the freaking car with a handicap plate, black car hanging in there when he's not a handicap houseever. My mother never have a car, she doesn't drive, but her doctor gave her like, you know, one of those play card
there. person that drive that use a walker that I can be functionable and try not be a handicap 100% they don't have the opportunity to have that spot because all the people they have it >> and this is ridiculous it's every day I have five I am six people applying for
that and like me I'm sure all the providers some of them they're giving them because they don't want to hurt the argument I'm explaining to them and this would just look like if anybody traveling jet blue at night time going to Dominican Republic how embarrassing is. Everybody's in the wheelchair.
>> So this is this is Lauren now. We're going to be the handicap city. Everybody have a handicap >> and play and we need to stop that. >> Well, I don't I don't think that the city has the ability. I think it's we as providers
>> have the ability to limit. I mean, it says very clearly what qualifies for a handicap placard. You know, whether it be they have congestive heart failure, class three or above, whether they use amb ambulatory aid and cannot walk 200
feet without assistance, blindness, amputation. The categories are very rigid. I just read people those categories. I say, "Do you qualify for any of these categories?" And if they don't, I say, "I'm sorry. I'm not giving you a handicap placard." Maybe they go to your office and you give them one.
>> You can sit in this another cage. >> You can do that another cage. Not a lot of you think about it just getting like providers in the city that that I I I mean you know and I think the problem is as you just mentioned
>> that's people get a handicap placard for their grandmother that has a walker and they just callously use it when they're out doing their shopping and that I really tell people when I give them handicap black I I make sure I say that this is for when you're driving and
bringing your relative that cannot walk to appointments. It's not to be used on, you know, >> I think we should do something to modify that. I believe if you don't >> but that's that's that's to the RMP. That has nothing to do with the city. >> Anyway that we can do as a board to bring that to the attention today. See
if we can modify things because this is just getting out of control. Pretty soon the whole city is like I said, we will have to talk with Brian. So we're going to declare this handicapped city and build a couple of parking. If you walk outside of the market basket, you'll see
everybody parking and handicapping. None of them have disabilities. No, they look fine. >> They don't. >> I believe for you to have a handicap, you have to be a driver. If you don't have a car, >> you don't because you know what? With my mother, I'm going to use my mother.
>> Rest in peace. When she was sick, when she was alive, >> I didn't need a handicap plate. I drive her to the door. Whatever I have to drive her, blinking light, get him out, get inside and park wherever I find the park. I don't need to have a handicap plate. She doesn't drive.
>> That's a good point. I think you should write a letter to the R&B. >> Well, I I think I would do that because we need to do that. You know, like a board if I say like they're not going to listen to me. It's only one single guy. But I think if us as a board in the city seem like a big problem, >> I see a lot of people
>> that would be really handicapped only right in front of their house. Yeah, that's another thing. They want the handicap things in there. They want to park ones that are really difficult to park in. >> Yeah. >> There are thickly settled streets in the city that have handicap
>> um you know, poles and and indicators that they, you know, and they're not parking there. >> They just have they want the space. >> However, alo the city does have like a process. So you have to go to the ordinance committee and city council get approval and they got to do uh you know
you know obviously check the applica the applicants you know um criteria >> with the city clerk >> and it doesn't help it doesn't help too now that all all the daycarees all the home daycarees are getting popular spot too
>> and we know it on the city of Lauren now a house know a house >> could we uh could we join with the the ticket crew and possibly start monitoring people that are going into businesses that don't have somebody handicapped in there to give them tickets. The
>> problem is you can't approach somebody who has a handicap placard. >> What's your disability? >> I mean, you know, people have disabilities that are not so apparent. >> No parent definitely they don't have a handicap. >> Maybe they have a handicap. >> Maybe they have chronic pain. Maybe they have
>> they can fight the ticket. >> Yeah. Uh it's I think it's been I mean >> that would be a good way to get a lot of money for the city as well. >> I agree. I agree. It's a it's a really frustrating issue to see people park in those spots and clearly don't have a
disability >> and the abuse definitely happens. But >> but if if it were my mom who or your mom rest in peace and you know needed to go into Boston and you know needed that
>> I park in front of or blinking light, get them out, do whatever I have to do, come back and park wherever I find the park. >> When I go to Boston, I pay 60, 70 bucks just to park in the parking lot. There's no parking there. >> You know, you know, Boston, there's resident parking, so there's nowhere to park.
>> Then there is parking. It's two-hour parking. Then you got to run outside, you know, feed the meter, a ticket, go around the block, park against. >> Speaking of parking, why, you know, for 30 years, people could not park on on side streets during snowstorms. They had to pick on the park on the main roads on
even odd sides. >> But now everybody's parking on the side. >> Now it's the blue lights, but nobody knows what that means. >> They have a list of streets where you could park as well. >> And why aren't they why aren't they taking they >> Oh, no. They take it. >> They do. They took it.
parked on Saturday. They said like,00 tickets >> downstairs 500 plus cars. >> No, we we gave around $300 for for for for uh we should about over 300 tickets um for sidewalks on sidewalks.
>> You know, >> only 300. It was more like 10,000 houses. >> Oh yeah. We only How many inspectors we have? >> I mean it's a colossal effort. We try to do >> we try to you know we try to do like the main areas >> the main corridors >> and then we try to move to the secondary
clear sidewalks in front of city properties. >> Ah >> because the ordinance says that the the person that abots it >> No no no no. I'm not talking about Butters. I'm talking about city own properties. Oh yeah. They should bridges. >> Oh yeah. They should be going >> long stretches of sidewalk that the
city's not picking everybody else in the city. >> Why is it that when I first came to Lawrence, there was a bobcat or a little tractor that would drive around the downtown all the sidewalks? >> What happened to that machine? Why don't we have a machine? Everybody has a machine. Has that machine? Salem has
that machine. And >> a lot of homeowners have machine. The Bobcats. I see them all over the place. >> I mean, the hypocrisy is great. That's a way to say >> All right, let's move on to homeless population count. Has that occurred recently?
>> Yes, that was last month. Um, it will it's a state mandated count and uh homeless coordinator. We agree uh five different agencies to go out um I believe it was uh February 9th.
>> Yeah. >> Late night. >> Late at night. Uh we were counting from 900 p p.m. to 1:00 a.m. And um it it was it was fascinating to see how the homeless population were informed where
to go. That day was under 12 um zero 12 under zero. It was very cold. Um we still found people in encampments, very few. And um it it was a great uh
satisfaction to see how the homeless population actually went to the emergency centers that we put in place that night. So for a total of 167 we found 80 in house of mercy while we were
doing the count. The final count was TW uh was 100 but what we were there 25 females uh 55 males a house of mercy um TMS um directed by Michael he had a 60
65 count uh 24 uh females 21 males and 20 that did not want to identify any gender on the streets on South Lawrence we found 10 and north. We found uh 12. They were just
walking and wandering on the streets. We gave them information. We also provided water. We provided um warming blankets um and other probably resources where to go, who to contact, uh even to reach out to the police if
they need it for but 167 people is the final count that we are reporting to uh to the state. Now, it's good to to know that Daybreak shelter have 50 people, but they are they are occupants of the
shelter. 15 female, 35 males. And Lazarus's house offered that night 20 beds, but they are also like frequent flyers, people who are actually registered to go to Lazarus's house in case they they need to to go. >> Last year's number, was that like 350 or
3? >> That is correct. Do you think the count would differ if it was done on an evening that wasn't so cold? >> I Yes. And that's probably the difference. So, they were looking they they had shelter.
They they were in they were sheltered in. So, we went to the shelter places that we were familiar with, but if they were going to to a friend's house, if they were uh couch surfing, if they were we don't know those people who are
actually homeless, it's different when we went last year during the daytime. That's why the number was different. So, they were all out from the different places that they were sheltering in. And so, that's the the difference that we find in the two numbers. I think we have
discovered as speaking with a patient that has spent a considerable amount of time in that community, there's people that come and go. >> Yes. >> And there's people that go to party. >> Mhm. >> And that's why they're there. It's it's it's it's and they sometimes spend a
month, sometimes two or three weeks, >> and they go to rehab and they come out, then they're clean for a while, then they go back. But from what we've been told, um, you know, it's kind of a party scene in a in a in a way. >> And so I can imagine when the weather
gets better, those numbers surge. >> Exactly. >> Um, so it would be nice to to do another count. But that brings us to the question, I mean, you know, we've always had a population of homeless. You know, we have shelters when the weather becomes inclement, but what other things
are we have? What other programs are in place to get these people permanent housing, job training, mental health services, offering referral to rehab facilities, detox? Is that in place or is that through the greater honors family health
center, through the water street site? What do we have in place right now? So, uh, grown family health center with the 100 water street side are doing that um supplying with the medicines um information about shelters and other
resources with uh housing and also uh transitional health from DTA, right? I think what interesting is that other cities and towns are actually looking at this from a health aspect more as um condition or something that can be
treated some treat the whole the the whole body right the the the human being and um the 14 largest cities they're talking about like what if we bring um a model a pilot model in which you not
only provide um getting clean and all that But what about training so they can come back to the society, right? Be productive citizens and and what is it that they need? Because we might be providing them with housing and we might be providing them with medicine, but what is that they need to actually stay
suffer in the community? If it's because of addiction or if it's a mental health issue or something else, something else. >> Nice to know in the next survey, ask them if they have a primary care doctor. I'm just really curious to know, okay, do they have Mass Health and do
they have a primary care doctor? >> Most of them do. >> Most of them do >> because that's where they need to start and and you know, offering to make an appointment for those individuals if they want to detox. Um, that would be a first step honestly. I mean, I see the people that have been transitioning out
of the homeless community. They're usually plugged into a doctor that's offering Suboxone and they're going to a, you know, day program. we can help them direct them towards that but you know they're going to the ones that don't have mass need to apply.
So it would be helpful to know um you know how many of them actually have insurance. >> How many of them have >> help them big time with that? >> What's that? >> Private lines. They help they work with them very closely. >> So they have a unit they have a band they go all over working with homeless
people. No, they have had for years, but I'm just I'm I'm curious to know >> the new numbers, the new >> the new the 200 individuals, are they people that came from other communities? Are they people that were, you know, been here for for years? >> Is it people that how long have they
been there? That that would be interesting data to know just to kind of devise programs to, you know, reduce the numbers of homeless in our in our community. Um, >> I can tell you this. As long we're providing everything they need above and beyond, never going
>> Well, we're not really providing we're not providing housing. >> It's it's quite a conversation >> and and it's and it's going back to the experience with that client and that patient, >> but it's also quite a conversation when >> um they're homeless for different
situations, right? So we have to put those parents or those that we see normally every day and they are just making it at the end of the month, right? They and they are living with friends or families just because they cannot afford housing, but they are
professionals working and they're out there in our community and you cannot even tell that they're homeless, right? And so there are those that are not that are on shelter that they don't have anything and they just rather go because it's a party all the time >> and and I'm just having a good time. No
rules, no regulations and what's the difference in the in the in the homeless community that we have. So that is a good survey. Um and it will be interesting to find out what's what's motivate people what's motivating them to stay out there. >> Is there a small number of homeless
people that choose to be homeless? >> Yes. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, I think some of them choose to be homeless. >> We talked to they chose to be homeless. Homeless. >> He had a place to go. He had a place to sleep.
>> There was one under the bridge where the fire was. He had been around forever. He He chooses to be homeless. >> He choose Yeah, that's what I bring that up because there are some people. It's a small number, but >> And then again, it's it's it's a simple question like what what motivates you? What? How do you feel when you're there
in that situation? Why are you in this situation? Do you really do you really lack of help or is it is it a choice? And why is it a choice? >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's I think >> it's many many reasons. >> To me, it's kind of pathetic. If we are
concerned about those one, but those one that want to be good, the one that want to be working and doing better for themsel, we don't provide any help and they get into that position. people that they are working of trying to work trying to do the right things
they are struggling they are going down the drain we don't do anything we don't care we don't help them on the other hand we working with those people some of them they choose some of them they have been drug addiction and other things and we've been trying they don't do anything for themselves but the one that they're trying to do better we
don't do much for them >> we and we are only talking about adults individuals last time we at um and this is several months ago and and then I don't want to step in nobody's shoes but I was going to um the public school the Lawrence
public schools homeless um meeting and the students which is different because now we're talking about minors uh there were 400 and something students that were reported to be homeless because they were either living with somebody else or were
struggling with housing. So we just seeing a one side of the coin, right? But it goes very far in terms of are we talking about families? Are we talking about individuals? Are we talking about adults? And what's the difference?
What's the difference? >> I mean, yeah, homeless population count can be divided into unsheltered, you know, people with chemical addiction, people with mental health issues, people. >> Yeah. I mean, so yeah, there's there's
many categories under that. >> Yeah, because we have all the, you know, the multifamilies that people are renting rooms >> porches. We see people, you know, under the >> garages, >> you know, kitchen floors,
>> you know, closets. Closets, >> they're renting it for big money. They rent, you know, they're paying $600 for a closet. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and so with that in mind, it's also educating our our community. So we I
remember the time I recall the time that we were telling this family, this daughter and and mom that came here to us last year, we were saying, >> "How much are you paying for a closet?" Okay. You can actually if you find somebody else, you three people who are
unrelated, that are not family, they can actually rent a uh an apartment in the state of Massachusetts. It is okay by law. And I'm pretty sure you're going to have your own room, a decent place between three people who are working.
You can do that instead of >> I just don't think the housing stock exists. >> Right. That is a foundation. They should not do that. >> That's just not the best ever. >> Okay, we have nothing. We We uh took off
all the old business and so I think that was a good conversation. I think that going forward we're going to continue to talk about SAP 2.0. Um I think we continue to put on both of these other two items on future meetings to see how
we can come up with some good ideas about how to approach that in our city. Um, any discussion? Any more comments before we adjourn >> the date for >> Oh, yeah. Always catch me on that one. >> Good morning.
>> He's always on top of the >> March. April. So, we're talking April. >> And so, the second the first is a Wednesday. The April >> for two weeks in April. I'm going to Argentina and Brazil. >> Oh, nice.
When uh when you got when you coming back? >> Uh like April 27th. >> 27th. >> Yeah. So I'm going to be we could do the first week of April. Uh but the rest I'm going to not be here. >> When you leave >> uh like the 7th
7th to the 27th um well let's see. One, two, three, four. I mean April 1st is four weeks from now. Mhm. >> So, let's do April 1st. >> That's April Fool's Day. >> Okay.
>> Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> A motion to adjurnn. The board of >> Do I have a second? >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. motion to adj accepted and uh
we'll see you all on April 1st.