e e e e e e e all for mil good good evening everybody and welcome to the ordinance committee meeting today is Tuesday May 14th um voting members are Council Vice chair Selena Reyes voting member councelor Greg Del Rosario and councelor fedelina Santiago pursuing of chapter 20 the acts of 2022 this meeting of the ordinance committee is being conducted both in person and via remote participation a reminder that persons who would like to listen to view this meeting while in progress May either attend um either intend person at the location above or use any of the following access locations which include the Facebook laurren city council page and the YouTube Lauren city council PL page excuse me would you please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge of allegiance to the FL of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all so I see some folks that are here I have an idea of who's here for what uh attorney hudon and uh interim director Ruiz you are here and let me know what why what what what items you're here for on combination 29 am District and the second one is on table 14124 which is declaring The Hanger at law mun airport as a school very good very good Mr Ruiz 27 same item thank you thank you everyone appreciate that um we like to get our uh we like to get people who've been here all day long working at now at 7:00 out the door as soon as possible so they can be fresh for tomorrow tomorrow so I'm looking at our city employees um the first one I'm looking that that meets that is 22724 authorization to fill the enforcement Prosecutor's position if there's no objection i' like to take those individual that that item out of order so they can go ahead and speak see no objection go ahead kappo uh councilors this is a position that's been vacant for more than 6 months so we need your permission to fill to post and fill the position and secondly since this position has been vacant for I'm not sure how many years but many many years it was not included in the uh in the N Union Compensation Plan so we're asking sorry so we're asking that the uh also that the council uh uh plac this in the non-union Compensation Plan uh in grade it in grade D which pay which has a pay range of 63,600 to 4,000 I have uh uh Pat Ruiz our acting ISD director to explain what the enforcement officer does good evening counselors um so the prosecuting um officer position um I was looking through all of our code violations all of that trash tickets everything and we're losing a lot of cases because we don't have somebody that's experienced and knows how to manage that so um it's a it's a it's a revenue generating position and I think it would pay for itself um I could try to get you the numbers right now of you know how many you know how many um violations we issue um you know we go to court they're not prepared you know we're losing our technicalities so we need somebody to manage this um and that's the main reason I appreciate that I have a process question that is has has less to do with you and more for the advice that I'm going to Spring onto the City attorney he's unexpected not expecting this question so um and I don't know is a valid answer and I'll get back to you is also a valid answer so this is an item that has two two tracks to it one track is what Mr Ruiz just described about reauthorizing something they believe is to be important the other track that I'm interpreting is a track is actually looking to put this job in a particular place in the re in the compensation place so the question is is can is this something that you that we can go ahead and split because there seem to be two different things um that sort of related but they're they're different asks so I like to get your if you've got an opinion on that I'd like to hear as far as how I don't understand well what we have done in the council and and it's arguable whether this is right or wrong but what we have done in the council when we've seen something like this uh just because people may it's two different things we would split it to a 227a and a 227b unless the Capo's got more information so let's let's just just last month we did the exact same thing for the assistant um assistant Commissioner of Health Services uh you didn't split it you could I mean it could be an A and A B but uh when we did that position you authorized the position to be filled for more than 6 months and uh also graded inserted that in grade uh D thank you so there so there's some background of of recent precedent so uh do you I mean I that we did that apparently so I'm not disagreeing with that but uh for best practices and our rules is that something that is copesthetic or acceptable it's it's acceptable but you can do it either way whichever I don't see any problem with either decision to make but just just for hypothetical I'm going to use the Absurd to make the point if they wanted to have a non if they wanted to have a again this is absurd this is not what's happening if they wanted to go ahead and have uh to reauthorize the inspections and then they want to have 25 new library books as part of this uh which has nothing to do with the other uh could we then split this or would that be okay or I mean I think there has to be a causal connection between both of them that's what I would think you can't take two unrelated item here it's related in that one is the salary for the position the other one is the position there's a causal connection between both of them there there got to be a connection it's a judgment call but okay and there is one here yes okay thank you all right Council so you've heard uh so you've heard the two things we've got a um a request to send this up to the fav recommendation to uh to not order public hearing but to reauthorize and also to increase the salary it would be an increase correct and what's the new salary for D if you don't mind me asking it's it's already on here from 63 to 104 got it there the there we don't know what the existing salary is the ordinance refers to a uh barington job group 16 we don't really know what that is but I suspect it's like 30 or 40,000 um cuz that's many that that study was probably 25 30 years ago so I suspect if we could find that Bennington job list I'm sure the job paid 35,000 or something like that okay that's fine okay counselor so there you go um there's no need for a public hearing this is an up and down vote of the full counselor is there a motion motion the full councel your recommendation thinking motion made by Council Del Rosario seconded by the Vice chair discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no the eyes have it are you all set all right thank you welcome back Mr Ruiz thank you all right uh let's deal with um if there's no objection the other item is 23924 and we can also discuss 140124 then maybe 2 different motions at the right time but right now if there's no objections um 23924 which is approve the amendment to District agreement to the GL R Lawrence technical school and 141 is declaring a hanger at the Lawrence Municipal air airport as a school no objections go ahead um I'm just going to give you a little history retain to vote as you may or may not remember um the uh City of Lawrence purchased a hanger at the Lawrence airport which is located obviously in North uh the purpose of that was because we are a member of the uh technical group and we had the money um we purchased the hanger on behalf of the technical school now the technical school will eventually buy that back from us and pay all our costs um so we we're just a transitional holder but the second part of that is that under their Charter the technical school cannot buy straight land or property they have to buy something that relates to the school so they can't buy a hanger for a hanger sake but they are going to use the hanger as a school obviously that's what their purpose is the people are going to go in there that the kids are going to go in there learn uh airplane mechanics um how to work on these planes how to put them together how to take them apart so we're one of the two of these is we're asking you to declare that hanger which is the property of the City of Lawrence a hang a school so therefore once it's declared a school Under the charter of the boat Tech they would have the right to buy it back from this because it's to school that they would be allow that the second part is you can see it's a change in the charter agreement is because the land although we are the city and we own the land we lease it out to various individuals so we've leased this land out to for better lack of a better say a condominium and the condominium owns multiple hangers and one of these hangers which was the great Lawrence technical hanger is on this land so the school has to pay a fee for use of the land uh in the end it ends up in the cence of the City of Lawrence which is nice but um under their uh chat they're not allowed to do that unless they have approval of all of the uh communities involved so so far this has gone to town meeting in Andover they have approved it it's gone to North Andover they have approved it it's before the city council in Methuen and it's before the city council here so all communities have to agree to it um so far the the ones that had Town meetings have agreed to it and now we're just waiting for the city council so this would just allow the um them to lease land and pay the lease under their TR uh if if we were to take a vote of the full council is is the order important which one we we would adopt neither they're completely separate of each other okay so councilors there are does anybody have any questions I think the attorney kind of give us a very brief overview as to what each item is we'll take one at a time but is there any in general are there any questions regarding the airport and the hangers and the school through you Mr delario and attorney H so you said if they decided sell it get out of it we have to do a whole town meeting in front of every Community again uh if they want to like sell it or do something else with the hanger in school is that if the school wanted to sell School profit they would have to follow their TR their data obviously divesting themselves of the of the school at that point they would have to own it right now we own it we're in complete control but yes they would have to ask the the member communities for Authority again the four communities to do something like that thank you any other questions we're going to take them one at a time but any other questions no so um let's deal with the the first one on the top of the list this is 23924 this is to approve the amendment to The District agreement for the greater Lawrence technical school and that's the one that needs ratification by the other communities correct as well uh and this would just be Lawrence ratifying its por it if by any chance and I I've already told you the two communities have if by any chance the Lawrence voted in favor and the other communities voted in the negative it would be in the negative it's the major you basically I believe have to have all the communities agreed with all right so so we were looking for a motion then to send this document up with a favorable recommendation to to approve right and I believe it needs a public hearing oh very good and order a public hearing motion made by Council Del Rosario seconded by counselor Santiago discussion on the motion see no discussion on the motion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no the eyes have it to order of public hearing the next part of this is 14124 declaring a hanger at the Lawrence municipal airport as a school um now this one does not require public hearing this is just an action this is a an action only by the City of Lawrence the other communities have no part because we are the owners so we are just declaring that the hanger itself is is designated as a school school purposes only very good so I'm looking for a motion motion to full favor recommendation second motion made by councelor Del Rosario seconded by Vice chair Ray is discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no the eyes hav it thank you very much Council are you all set attorney I am all set thank you very much I I think this is a land speed record I'm not we understand that you have you have a lot of important things to do and and and if you're tired you're not going to do a good jobs we want you to get well rested I thank you again you're welcome uh we do have individuals here as well for 22224 right at the very top of the agenda uh please come forward uh this is a request for Hawkers and peders license for the mass saves assessment why don't you identify yourselves and then we can and and and ask us U let us know what you're trying to accomplish yes U my name is David fav I'm the Outreach coordinator with revise revise is a mass save partner um we're A+ on the Better Business Bureau five out of five stars of Facebook reviews and um Google reviews and what we do is Mass Save when people U have an electric bill or gas bill with every Source a National Grid in the city um they can have a no cost energy assessment every two years um it's no cost and and what we do is we go door too and talk about the benefits of the program we do a lot of Outreach to educate people about like U they can add more insulation to their home um do air shaling which is no cost there's also um if you have forced hot air they could seal your duck work in your attic and all these things add up to helping lowering everyone's Bill whether you rent or own and um and we do um homes that are on like um Regular um and low income uh rate codes for National Gad and ever SCE and abdl here is U one of the canvassers on the team I'm here to support him I'm his immediate manager okay so thank you so uh just a few uh very basic things uh when you are going door too I'm presuming I'm leading you to the answer you'll be bringing some identification with you so if somebody were to ask um who who you are you have something yes um we issue um a company badge for one and I assume um after this milen was telling us we go to the police and they will do like a Corey check um and I think they might pass out a permit as well I'm not sure um but all of um all of the employees for revise um because of the mass save requirements we all go through an accurate backr check and drug screening as well just to let you know that too but we are properly identified and we um we always at the door identify ourselves you know we from the do politely 8 ft um identify ourselves as a revise a mass safe partner we do those no cost energ assessments and um we have Flyers if people just want the literature get back to us and and then uh can you just let us know what time frame are you looking to have this permission yeah uh typically we go uh door to door in between 9: to 5: we don't want to be too early or into people's dinners so it's usually our cusers go 4 hours somewhere between 9:00 to 5: but we would defer to the rules of the city and the police department of course so the question that's important to know but the all also is how long will you be doing it a month two months 6 months how how what's your length yeah it's it's a big city um um some other cities that we do we get like a year permit um but it's at your discretion um it there's a lot of people to reach out to here um so I don't know six months to a year would be our request I suppose well it it'd be really helpful I think for the committee to hear what your request is because we really have no idea how long it takes for you to interact how many people you're looking to to visit and how often you're going to be doing your visits so it would be helpful for the committee to know what your estimate is what your request is yeah I I would say um to to be conservative 6 months um to be able to reach a good portion of the community here [Music] okay any other counselors have questions Council Del Rosario thank you for chair we have those type of services going around the city uh sometimes let people ask for the assets of come check my electricity and S of a sense they get another bill without even signing on it and it's awfully happening in this city um um what can you ensure that it's not going to happen and then say they get a bill that they never change company and they getting a bill from some of the providers and they totally confused they allow somebody to check I mean the energy they are using and tell a change company or provider how can how can how can you ensure that that's not going to Happ well revise is an an energy company um we work specifically with National Grid and eversource customers um so we're not looking to change anyone's um electric bill or gas bill um we just offer that service which is massive so a lot of folks don't know massive is just a program when you call the massive 1800 number they assign a company to you uh that does the assessment revises one of those companies that does the no cost assessments we don't look at anyone's bill or change their bill um what we do is uh look at insulation levels um the scope of a of an assessment they'll check your furnace and let you know what percent it's running at they'll check for drafts on your sealed plate and rim joist in the basement all the top plates in the Attic So it's um we we don't we don't off we don't do that at all we we work um it's National Grid and ever Source Who pay us to go out and do the assessments um and no cost to the individual of course um but we're not changing anyone's bill or um no interaction of money um in that way I hope that answers thank you any else I have the same question thank you for clarification okay so I guess this is a this is actually a looking for a permit to be able to do this and I guess the permit would be for 6 months after the date of the council's adoption if the council chooses to adopt it so 6 months I the permit um and the hours um I mean we could I mean you were looking to do it from 8 to 5 is what you're is that what I mean 9 to 5 Monday through Saturdays we don't do Sundays at all 9 to5 so that be part of the permit uh the request so counselors I I'm not sure if we're missing anything here but 6 months 9 to5 except for every day but Sunday Sunday I think thought no Monday no Sunday no Sundays correct every other day okay all right so is there a motion to send this up to the full council with the favorable recommendation so Move Motion made by the Vice chair second seconded by councelor Santiago discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no the eyes have it so our next city council meeting is next Tuesday okay our meeting started 7 o'clock I would encourage you to just show up at that time uh we we try to start on time um but it's uh you'll be on the agenda somewhere I don't have the agenda yet sure just reach out to e for that maybe uh e would would know it yeah okay um probably yeah probably early next week Monday perfect great well thank you for your time and for having us good luck and we'll see you next Tuesday yes thank you all right you're welcome all right going back to the top um the next document is 22324 juneth arts and awareness Festival camping on common on June 22nd I don't see anybody here uh to Advocate oh hello I just want to to read said today we had the phones down okay so she was calling people but then she couldn't get reach out to them and I know she sent emails but that's about it so uh I'm looking at the calendar I'm just trying to get what kind of Rush we're looking at here Council our next meeting is is coming up on May the 22nd we will have a meeting between um we will have a meeting probably the week after for ordinance probably the 28th um we could uh have this item come back on the 28th and our next full city council meeting is scheduled for June 4th we could do this we have two bites bites of the so we could table this here to ask some questions and give them time to show up so I'm looking for a motion motion to table second motion made by Council Del Rosario seconded by the Vice chair all in favor say I I oppos no the eyes have it uh the next document let me just make sure there me see if anybody's online here uh is document number uh 22424 install one Jo pole on West Street near handland court and shockingly nobody I don't think from National Grid is here so um again counselors we typically asked them so go ahead you want motion made by Council Del brazaro to table properly seconded by councelor um Santiago discuss no discussion all in favor say I oppose no the eyes have it 22524 uh this is a resolution honoring de L charity tangway for 20 years re uh rededication of a ball field event I I've been asked by councelor INF fonte if we would table that this evening motion to table second motion made by Council delario seconded by the Vice chair Reyes all in favor say I I oppos no the eyes have it next document is 22624 handicapped parking at 129 Brookville Street uh we typically send this I'm always looking for your help we typically send this to the police department for their review yes is that I'm looking for a motion for that motion was sent to the police department for Rie second motion made by Council Del Rosario seconded by Vice chair Reyes discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I no the eyes have it and just as a clarification when these things are said they're automatically tabled okay 22824 handicap parking on 57 Sergeant Street um councilor Santiago will you be making a motion to send this to the police department for study motion to send to Police Department to review sure okay to review to to review for feb's recommendation to for for their review um yep motion been made and for study motion been made and seconded by Council Delaware's areio discussion see none I'll call the question all in favor say I I H know the eyes have it uh next is 23224 uh that is um no parking on Lance down Court East Side looking for a motion to send this to the police department so Move Motion made by the Vice Chair seconded by counselor Santi uh Council Santiago discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I pose no the eyes have it next is 23323 no parking on Blakemore Court both sides looking at this send us to the police department for their recommendation is there a motion so Mo motion made by counselor V Council Vice chair and seconded by councelor Santiago discussion I'll go right ahead 233 2332 you know that's a good question it says 23 on there is probably a typo so uh could you put in your notes please that that and so eileene can fix it she say 24 yep thank you motion has been properly has been properly seconded discussion see none all call the question all favor say I I oppos no the ice have it 23424 request for Hawkers and Peddlers license for the sale of flowers uh they are not here uh tonight typically we would make a motion to table Motion in fav second motion made by Council delario seconded by the Vice chair discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppe no the eyes have it uh 23524 stop sign on o good Street northbound and Southbound on Bailey Street that I put on the agenda I'm looking for a motion to send this to the police department for their review motion made by the Vice Chair seconded by counselor Santiago discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no the eyes have it um I see that Mr B bu has uh here so let me bring him in we'll continue and then let them get warmed up uh document number 23624 is a home rule petition establishing incredible service for police and fire councelor Infante the vice president has informed me that she would like to see this item tabled motion to table second motion made by Council Del Rosario seconded by Council Vice chair Reyes discussion see none I'll call the question all in favor say I oppos no the eyes have it um we're just going to finish this up here um 23824 uh 3K walk and cookout at OK conell Park uh again we do uh we do wow we won't have it yes we will have a meeting I think between now and June 1st so um our next meeting let me see here we won't counselors so here's the here's the Dilemma on this one today's the 14th we have a meting on the 21st and the next meeting after that's on the 4th they are looking to use this use oconnell park for June 1st and that will uh we will not be meeting between now and then we will not in our normal pattern we would not get to them your chance Mr Del Rosario at this point in time I mean I would love to send that up but we don't have a confirmation that they are okay with the recreation department with that availability for that day um we can still send that up as a community report and way for them I mean so I think we have a couple of options Council Del clearly the option is to keep it here which will and then if we so choose since we've had a chance now to have a discussion on it um if the phones work and Teresa can contact them uh we can a either discharge it out of the committee with six votes that's one option the second vote is what you're recommending that we send it to the full Council uh with um with conditions that we get all the proper paperwork at the PO Council so I I think those are our options yeah we can send motion to send full Council as a community report second uh motion to send up as a full Council as committee reports been properly made by Council Del Rosario properly second eded by Vice chair um and then I would only ask that we inform the applicant that they should be here A and B they should also um make sure that they their permits are in order their requirements are in order because if it's not in order this Council may not support it they may decline it so motion's been made it's properly second any further discussion C9 I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppe no the eyes have it uh Mr I want to call you I keep W Mr I want to call you Mr bushe is that correct I keep wanting to say that yes David bé excellent they're not going to revoke my French card excellent um you you're here for a reason so why don't you go ahead and let us know we may we may have already dealt with it at some level so what what's your item all right I'm having some uh some serious difficulties getting into the meeting for some reason and also I'm hearing double when I talk but I'll continue to talk on West Street we're um looking to place a new pole 12 and A2 very close to our substation and that is for a uh feeder monitor uh that uh a gentleman named George can't get into the meeting also for some technal difficulties uh when we signed in he was having the same issue as me but nonetheless uh we're looking to place that so that we can current solution one of our feeders and be able to uh provide better reliability uh uh with with the device on the pole location for 12 and a half councilors I'm looking for a motion to for us to untable document 22424 so we can discuss this matter motion made by the Vice Chair seconded by councelor uh councelor Del Rosario discussion see none all in favor say I oppose no okay so you want to so counselors he already gave us a brief explanation I'm not sure if it was clear um we can certainly ask him for more information if we so choose either way I'm looking for a motion motion to s full fav recommendation and Order of public hearing and Order of public motion been made by councelor Del Rosario seconded by councelor Santiago discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I I oppose no e have it anything else Mr bue uh that'll do it thank you very much uh your patience with your welcome our next meetings next Tuesday good night Sir okie dokie sounds good uh councilors I hate to break it to you but that's it for the new items oh we have something we have 237 24 oh sorry my apologies and it's high for some reason it's highlighted why is it highlighted okay 23724 uh this is a request for a loading zone at Hall and Berkeley Street uh there's nobody here maybe does somebody have information on it Council Santiago the reason is too I like the too nrow and the neighborhood requiring about no parking either side because no no space there is a so three yeah there is a No Parking on either side in effect in that street and according to emails that we have there is a there is a Le in that street uh it's extremely narrow uh I drove by it after I got the email and I sense that it's extremely narrow but we also don't know what type of trucks are going to be loading and uploading um I'm just looking there was an email was it today I just okay I must here it is from Council Lon yep see it now uh let me just read it again real quick so Council Lan has asked that apparently she's looking she is supporting this a desire to request um a loading a loading zone and and again you're the institutional member here uh it's not the mo way to request a learning song in this area because it's very narrow it's not possible to um to navigate the whole street when they be especially when they parking a troll or something like that so on a loading zone it has it been your experience Vice chair that we would send that to the police department as well for their review is that typically what we would do yes okay so um keeping I would like to make motion to send to the police department motion been made by councelor Santiago to the S it up to the police department for their review is there a second second seconded by Council Dela RAR discussion discussion Council delario even though we we wanted to wait for the police department to make a decision on it um if there is a No Parking Zone on both sides there's a reason why there's a parking Zone a a restriction of the parking on both SES um and I don't know how to proceed we can go to the police but it's already an ordinance in there not to park in any size yes can can someone help me understand this a little more fully I'm sorry I'm late to the party so right now there's no parking on both sides and we have a parking or traffic problem or both going through there and is it a one-way Street or a two-way street uh it's one street one way a Hest three is very narrow it's very it's very Street to okay it's a two-way it's two-way street yeah and people are parking illegally illegally so is this more of I mean it's more an enforcement we have we do have Enforcement issue in the whole city itself but I mean thinking of I mean I would have Lov to have them here to see what kind of what size of the truck would be but we'd have an ordinance of no parking it's because just one vehicle parking their regular size car a compact car it's it's hard to navigate in the street is the loading zone going to solve the problem it's going to solve the problem for the business but it's going to make it worse for the restent yes because when they have any Vue parking there or whatever what is the reason with the owner uh is a a big problem with the resident because especially when when I leave there uh when we want to go out we need to wait for the another car moving to to go out to the whole extrem you and that's probably why the reason the business is looking for a loading loading zone to allow the trucks to park in the street because there's already an ornament I mean I I think we should I mean if we don't have to go with the police recommendation even if it comes that that it's the very recommended for us to have a loading zone but we can definitely continue to go to the police and see what they have to say I I I'm all I'm with you I think that listening to the discussion here Council my sense is we need to highlight this issue to the police department because we we have current laws that are not being enforced if they were enforced I'm wondering if this issue goes away um and maybe we don't need to add another ordinance that if enforcement is going to be the problem now what's going to change it later I don't know if we're ever going to change it that's the issue but I think bringing it to the police department's attention at some level saying this is the problem this is how we're looking to fix it um having that discussion might be might be useful especially with Miss Lon Council Luzon I'm having that discussion I would encourage Council lison and and Mr Canó to to have that kind of conversation maybe they could figure out what the what the remedy is yes Council are you sure that the email say she supporting again I'm sorry let me read it again suppor what good point let me read it again I read it quickly I'm sorry so this is from oh maybe it's from Teresa oh it's from I'm reading Teresa Teresa says could you please pass by um thank you um so I I'll read this into the record since she's a constituent and this impacts her right so counselors the following item is new business at the ordinance committee meeting uh as you know I Rec side on Hall Street Hall Street is a very narrow Street and also no parking is allowed on either side when cars are parked on Hall Street no other car can pass by imagine a big truck for loading please take as a consideration that residents wouldn't be able to access Hall Street if item gets approved she's thank you counselor she's not appr she's not she's asking Council Luzon to drive by not that's how the word pass and and you thank you counselor so councel L on U let me see what she says this her district and I don't know if um she said she's going to drive by so I don't know if she has a recommendation on this um either way a constituent who we know is a does not want this to go forward I think that we should as who's supporting this Canó who's doing this oh Mr okay so my recommendation Council you can do what you want my recommendation is we still send this to the police department and let them wrestle with this and wrestle with and and and have a conversation with Council Luzan as well that's my that's my thought so is there a motion to send this to the police department for the review there's a motion there already second and then we'll call the question then yeah if there's no further discussion all in favor say I hose no the eyes have it I think that am I missing anything is that it no is that it okay I'm so excited about going home to the reasonable hour this is crazy motion to a Jer wow motion made by Council hour seconded by Council Vice chair all in favor say I H know the eyes have it