You know that people want to move forward. That's amazing. You know if you are looking for this I think No, I've got I've got an overactive mind. Make this thing.
I wonder. That's going to be up. Are we good? Good evening and welcome to the special meeting for the Len City Council. Today's date is uh Tuesday, April 29, 2025. Pursuant to chapter 20 of the act
of 2022, this meeting will be hybrid allowing participation both in person at the city council chambers as well as remotely. We have councelor counelor that is on zoom, she's join us remotely. Anybody that requested uh the zoom link
to be joined on this meeting uh that could be done through the city clerk's office. Uh, this meeting will be also transmitted live through the Facebook Allar City Council page as well as the YouTube Lawren City Council page.
Malan Clair Roco. Councelor Levy, present. Councelor La Plant, present. Councelor Luzon, present. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Santiago, present. Council Maml is noted
as absent. Council Reyes, present. Council Vice President Infante present and council president Rodriguez present. Uh please join me for a moment of silence. Um um
Now join me for the pledge of allegiance. I alian flag of the United States of America and to the nation one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Uh please call the role for council de Rosario. Council del Rosario present. All right, we have uh Warren. This uh we have an special meeting tonight and this this meeting
was called by three counselors uh due to as per section 3.5C uh number two of the L city council chart. Those counselors that called for this meeting were council plan uh councelor de Rosario and councelor Wendy Lon. We have one item
tonight and that this is a new business item. This is item 16325 which is the confirmation of Maurice Aguilar the nomine the nominee for chief of police for the city of Lawrence. This nomination was sent to the council by the mayor of the city
Brian a dea. Uh but before we get to that point we have public participation. We have uh councelor Rosso Rich Rosso that sign it for public participation.
As always, the rule of the public participation are as follows. Uh please refer to the council as a whole, not to any individual counselors and you're going to have two and a half minutes. Good evening, council. Richard Russell, 34 cross street. At the 2 minute mark, you're going to hear a beep and that
indicate that you still have 30 seconds to speak. Thank you. I'm sorry. I I I apologize. They have problems with my hearing right now. Uh, good evening, councilors. Richard Russell, 34 Cross Street. Uh, this is strange. Uh, not having to follow Mr. Molly. Uh, let me
preface my comments with this comment. I have no issue with Captain Maurice Aguilar becoming Lawrence's next police chief. uh ending what could be best described as a political crap show regarding the police chief position
lasting over the past two years if I'm not mistaken. Now I'll start handing out blame for the various causes for this two-year long crap show between 10 and 15 years ago. The city council bowed down to powers at B that wanted the
positions of police and later fire chief taken out of civil service process selection process. The powers on the third floor wanted to be able to appoint their nominee and the council at that time acted in a manner to appease those on the third
floor and voted to take professionalism out of those two critical jobs and replace professionalism with politics. My one last question that I have is how much input did the citizens police chief committee have in narrowing down the
field of candidates for this position? We probably will never know because to paraphrase what Colonel Nathan Jessup said in a few good movies and a few good men, we probably can't handle the truth. Everyone knows me that
I'm about as pro public safety as an individual can be without being a member of a public safety agency. As I said at the beginning of my rant, Karen Captain Maurice Aguula has my approval and the approval of a great deal of my friends to become Lawrence's next police chief.
Please do the right thing and confirm his appointment. Thank you. Thank you. Uh there is no more names. Uh this name will will be submitted for the record. Um, so we have one item, but before we get to that item, counselors, I just want to
give it a u an overview of of of that brought us here to this moment. Uh, the city of Lawrence went into a national search for the Lawrence uh next uh chief of police.
Out of that a several candidates apply for the position. uh the committee that was formed by uh seven member three members of the community and two uh related to the police department as well as as a counselor and one nominee from the
mayor's office uh went down to review all the candidates. After that they perform interviews and uh recommend three candidates to the mayor. The mayor after receiving those three candidates uh send us a a a name for confirmation
based on section 2.048 uh and the confirmation as well as two section 2.0470. So basically part of the section 20408 is the procedure for confirmation uh department heads have multiples uh
multiple requirements all those requirements has been met set for the contract that haven't been signed yet but I'm assuming that before we actually discuss this item at the subcommittee level that will be take care of uh seven
seven uh different requirements are as per those two um section of u of our ordinance and they were sent out before tonight. Uh one of them were not required. With that
said, councelors, now we have new business item 16325 which is the confirmation of Maurice Aguilar, a nominee for the chief of police of the city of Lawrence. And like I said before, this item was sent uh by uh the mayor of the city of Lawrence to the
Lawrence City Council for confirmation. At that point, counselors, this new business will be sent to the personnel committee. And um at this time, um no more new business, no table items,
and we're going to right away proceed with a specific date and a scheduling for subcommittees. Uh, Madame Vice President Infante and the chair of the of the personal committee, please provide out with the
date for the next meeting for personal. Thank you through you, Council President. Can you can everyone hear me? Can you see it? Okay. Okay. Just want to make sure. I first want to apologize to my colleagues. I was not going to make it in time um to Lawrence from my work event. So, I apologize for not being
there in person. Um, the personnel committee meeting is going to be scheduled for Monday, May 12th at 6 six o'clock p.m. Monday, May 12th. Receive. Um, at this time, counselors, I entertain a motion. Council President, I got a parliamentary
question as well. Would we still, since it's going to be Monday, we have our meeting on Tuesday the 6th. Can we still place it on the agenda in the expectation that it might be coming up from the the date that she set up? It will be May 12th. That's after the meeting. That will be May 12th. The
whole idea for the special meeting tonight, Council President, is to get this to the May 6th meeting, not May not May 14. Council President 20th meeting. Yes. Understood. Councelor Plants. Point well taken. Councelor Vice President
Fonte. Thank you, Council President. Um, so I'm aware that we have a meeting. However, I'm not sure we're going to have more personnel items. Uh, I'm the chair of many committees, and I'm not going to have two separate committee meetings when I can have one that's
going to cover everything. Um, we would have we would have still had the same result if we if this special meeting wasn't wasn't declared. So, I apologize to my colleagues, but again, I do sit on a lot of committees. I do run on a lot of committees and I now have a new job
that's that I have more responsibilities. So I need to make sure that I'm balancing and organizing my time well in my personal life and also as a city counselor. Council Russian that's good enough. You we never have to explain ourself more
than what we have. Council President, who's the vice chair of that committee? Huh? Who is the vice chair of that committee? If if the if if the chair and I'm not debating whether or not the chair has time and capacity. That's not my point. But if there if the vice chair is able to do this because this is such an important issue and as we already
mentioned this has been ongoing now since January of 20123. If the vice chair is able to and we have two others we will have a quorum. Councelor Llant uh the the date for the meeting to be respected to the chair she's here with
us as allowed by chapter 20 of the act of 2022. This meeting is hybrid. She's online and she set up the date. So as of this right as of this point right now unless things change by the chair I going to respect her decision. So at
this time I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Can I ask the chair a question through you since she's here rather than going around the bush under what item? That's going to be if it is if it is under what item that item is on already on the committee. Well you allow to speak after that. No, it was it was
around the setting up the date for the committee and she already said that and she repeat herself. Let's be respectful. I I'm very respectful, council president. I I this whole the reason why we did what we did today to get to this point was to try to get this matter
before the May 6th meeting. This this is the reason why seven of us are here. I council president councelor vice presidente thank you through you council president I would like to just state to my colleagues that no one has been I
mean not no one I am one of the few counselors that's been very very publicly vocal about what's what's been going on in the police department so this is just as important to me as it is to all of my colleagues and I would like to be present for that meeting and I and
I've also served on the search committee and spent spent many hours doing work to get to this point. Council Law President, like I said, we set up meetings according to the chair and the chair is the one that set the committee.
At this time, I entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjurnn. There is a motion to adjurnn. Can I hear a second? President, council president, if I may. Once uh once I get a second, I entertain a motion to adjurnn. I can open it for
discussion. Can I hit a second? Motion fail for the lack of second. So we have no items and not entertaining any discussion on the no items. Council President, if I may, I don't know. I can't It's going to be out of order. We have no item. We got to be
respectful. Mr. President, there is no item to be discussed. Second motion. Yeah, we don't have an item. We don't have an item at this place. The procedures established. We have an item that is not open for discussion. That item is already on the subcommittee. So, at this time, we have
no item to discuss. We can stay. No problem whatsoever. If you want to have a privilege, I can open it for point of person privilege. I'd like to make a just a two-minut uh two-minute recess. Council President, five minutes or five minutes recess.
Second. There's a motion to recess. That's in order. Proper properly properly second. All those in favor, please say I. I. We'll be back in two minutes. You got you got to do a roll call. Sorry.
This is on the motion to resess. Councelor um Reyes, please. Uh yes. Council Ml is noted as absent. Council Santiago, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Council La Plant,
yes. Council Levy, yes. Council Vice President, yes. Council President, I just want to before I I I vote yes. But before we go out, be aware of the open meeting law and potential violation. Sit right there. Okay.
Motion to get out of second. There's a motion on the tail properly. Second. Um, Madame Clair, please call the RO. There's a motion to come out of recess. Council Levy, yes. Council Lant, yes.
Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council um Marmal is noted as absent. Council Reyes, yes. Council Vice President Infonte, yes. Council President Rodriguez, I vote
yes. Council President, yes. Like to suspend rule 18 to allow discussion on this matter. All right. Can you read the rule 18? Rule 18. No debate will be allowed on any matter unless and until there is a motion pending before the council. This motion to adjurnn. When to adjurnn? The motion to lay upon the
table or take from the table for the previous question shall be decided without debate. Okay. What is the motion? The motion to suspend that rule to allow debate. Second. Can we get I'm sorry. 14. You say 18. 18.
I'm the right number. All right. And that is in order. And there is a motion to suspend the rules. Can I hear a second? Second. Properly second. Discussion. I hear none. Madame Clair, please call the role.
Council Levy, yes. Council Lant, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council Marmal is noted as absent. Council Reyes, yes. Council Vice President, yes.
Council President Rodriguez, I vote present. What's the count? 8 to one. I'm seven. I just I'm so sorry. 71. 71. Okay. Motion carries. Uh allow allowing discussion under that on that the
suspension of that rule. Um discussion is open. Sure. So I I'll I'll start this. So council president, I I do want to I do appreciate all the hard work that the council vice president does. I will acknowledge that she serves on many committees. She chairs the committee on
the whole by the fact that she's the vice president of the council. She chairs the budget committee. She serves the personnel committee. She served on many other ad hoc committees that you've assigned her to council president. So there's no denying the fact that she does an awful lot of work and and does a lot of work for the city council. No
denying that in this particular instance while acknowledging that we have a matter that needs to be dealt with which is why we are all here this evening with the anticipation and the hope that we can get something to the personnel committee in a timely manner so that we can move on this process either for or
against. But we need to move on something in time for the next meeting. And so what we're looking for, I believe that there are three other committee members who will be who can be present. I I believe I don't know for sure, but I I think that
we can still conduct that and and if the vice president and the chair can if she's not around, whatever it is, maybe she can join remotely, that could work as well. But we we need to if if there are enough counselors to conduct business, we should conduct business.
No question about that, Council La Plant. That is the case on this m at this moment. We have a date that has been set as Monday, May 12th. If the chair of the committee decide as always uh she have the
privilege of setting up and the right to set up those committee meetings, she can change it. At this point, she called for that meeting. On my end as a council president, I never question the chairs of any committee and this is going to be the
this is not going to be their session. I'm not going to question her about when she set up that meeting. I will be respectful to that decision as always for 10 years. I've been here and I have chair many committees. Nobody have question uh any of those dates being
set. And on another hands, you've been here for 20 years and I'm pretty sure that this has been the case for over 20 years. What we're doing, we're setting our presidents. We need to be respectful to the time that she set. She's the
chair of that committee. And at this point, this is what it is. It is no question around other time because she already have set that time. Council president councelor
de Rosario through you co president are the members of that committee available for that day too because they they didn't ask also she just said in all respect that she does and I respect the hard work that she put in but did she ask the other members that some of them are present here if they available for that day that's another thing she just
said the day I mean they haven't they haven't said if they're available for that day or if they if they could request another day where they will be available I mean that would be a question that I would ask as a if I were to be the chair Council President. Council President. Yes. Give me one minute. Councelor is present. Um, yes.
She he have the right to set up those those dates as always. Councelor Reyes. I want to mention for the record I cancel my previous commitment because I believe when we had a special meeting today was because we put it on before
our full council meeting for next Monday. That is the reason I cancel my my routine because I cancel my previous commitment for be present tonight and having personal committee on Monday fit and then in Tuesday we have the item in
our agenda or something like that. So I want to to mention that part because I had a lot of responsibility and also I had in service through different committee but I put my heart to be present tonight to moving forward this
item. No I understand uh that counselors have commitment and they show up to their special meeting as always uh when we call the special meeting. I appreciate that you're here, but having an anticipation of a potential date of a meeting that is that is not that was not
part of the discussion and essentially if that was discussed with multiple members that could be a potential violation of the open meeting law uh because that could be a deliberation of a potential meeting in the future. So this is not that was not part of the
agenda. the agenda was to to to discuss this item or to send this item to the to the to the committee as per the rules. So that's I understand and I respect it. I also have commitment and and uh and we here because we are committed to the city of Lawrence. Uh parliamentary
council president that was not um that was not uh the intent because that was that was we always ask uh the committee's chairs for the date of the subcommittees. Um point of parliamentary council president. Yes. Council, you mentioned
council president that if we did something it would be in violation of the open meeting laws. I didn't say that. I say potentially. And what where where would that trap be? I want to make sure I heard you correctly. I say potentially. You interpret it as as you as you No, I I I don't want to interpret. I want to know exactly what
you meant by that so I don't have to guess. I say potentially that could be and that's in plain English. Potentially that could be the attorney here. Scheduling. So scheduling. So scheduling and seeing if people are available for a meeting would be in potential violation of the open meeting law. Deliberating is
a potential violation of the permitting law, but not checking on availability for a meeting dates. Would that be? Well, that was that was not that I say to council president, council vice president. Thank you. So, I'm I'm hearing my colleagues um we all have
commitments. I mean, I'm I'm still here. I'm not physically there, but I'm still here present in the meeting. And I I want to say two things. My first comment is when we have our regular meetings and the chairs schedule meetings, no one
jumps to ask is everyone available. So I don't understand what makes the situation different. Secondly, throughout the entire situation with the police department, and I'm only going to speak
use myself an example, I have openly spoken against the situation and against the administration, whereas some of my colleagues at some at times stayed silent because they did not want to go against the the administration to do the right thing. So now I what the way that
I'm interpreting things, we have people trying to be heroes. Where was where was this energy when we needed it when things were extremely serious within the the police department? I am doing my commitment.
We're still within the 30 days to get this confirmation done. And I have scheduled the personnel meeting for May 12th, Monday, May 12th at 6 PM and we're still in we're still aligned with everything that we need to do to get it in in time.
Council President, Council L. Uh thank you, Council President through you. I think uh the emergency was to make sure that this item uh was in the
agenda for the next uh city council meeting. Uh and I also know that we all receive a call. We all knew that this was going to happen and
everyone say yes to this emergency meeting even though some of some of you were not in favor. May May I finish my point council president information point of information for you? This is not an emergency meeting. This is an
special when a special Okay. Thank you for the special meeting where all of us were uh the city cler asked every one of us if we were available for this meeting and we all responded yes because I must I because we know you you know that a
package has to be sent to our houses our home and we all say yes. I don't understand why you needed some of us or the vice or the chair madame chair needed to wait into today.
Uh if you were not in agreement with this you could have say no and whoever was not in agreement to this meeting you were uh you could have said no. I'm also the vice chair of the personal committee and I'm available. I'm available for
Monday at 6 and I'm assuming the rest of the city councils are that serve in that committee are available. I think it's time uh and I do understand the effort and the work that the madame chair put
into this. Some of us did similar uh we spoke against uh about against the administration and uh and yes but that is the past now we have something in front of us that we
asked that we fought and it's in front of us why do we need to extend it I think it's time to put aside our ego and do the right thing and it's simple is an item is a an item that
needs a approval of the suit committee. It's not even the full council. We all going to have an opportunity to interview to speak uh uh to interview the candidate um on the full council meeting. So what we asking
now and I I don't I don't see why is it so impossible. We are asking if the madame chair is not available, let me run the meeting on Monday and let's send it if it gets approved cuz let's say that the
committee doesn't approve. It's going to stay there. If it gets approved, it's going to be sent to the full council on Tuesday and everyone that put so much energy into this uh process will have the opportunity to speak and to ask the
candidate. So if possible, madame chair, I ask you respectfully to let me run the meeting on Monday and we'll take it from there if it's possible. Madame President, yeah, thank you uh council
president. Thank you. Uh yes, council president, give me one minute. It is important to recognize the following. There is there is the pro the process is what she's been following. She's
following the process by setting up the meeting. The process stays that we have a month to take action on the department head's decision based on section u that
I mentioned 2 3.7 of the shadow. She is not going away from the process. what we are doing here having an a special meeting potentially could be seen of going away from the process but what she's did no
no give me a moment councel Lon I haven't finished talking and then council council is present uh I going to recognize her next she is not going away from the process she is following the process the process is as normal as
possible so those comments around ego around this around that that's that's not that's not right because I mean she have been following the process but let her answer let her answer. No, because I'm I'm I'm I'm
managing the meeting. You you're not you cannot answer for for another colleague. No, I'm talking about the process council. No, you you're giving me an answer that supposed to come from the vice chair from the mad chair. I'm the I'm the I'm the the the But are you giving your opinion? You're giving your
opinion. You're giving your opinion. Council Vice President President Council President Council Vice President Thank you through you council president. Thank you. So I've made my stance very clear. Um
actually the council president was repeating what I what I stated when I spoke previously my first comment about still being within the 30 days and still still being within the process. Um, I stand firm with my decision to to
schedule this meeting on May 12th at 6 p.m. Uh, we're talking about respect and right now I'm not being respected as the chair. I'm not I'm I'm not So there is not about eagles or or anything like that. I'm still following the process. I've been following the whole process of
this situation from the beginning. So I just want to make that clear. Council President, if I may, So with that, council president, I I will not be changing the date. Um the date for the personnel committee meeting will be in May 12th. May 12th at 6
p.m. All right. Um any other counselors before I go back to council? Councelor Lusen. Thank you council president and I'm going to respond to madame respect. You started this by saying that some of the
counelors and wanted to be heroes now. So you you open a door for this conversation. You say that and it's it's it's in she say that. So you and unfortunately and I have to say
that you opened that door. You opened the door and yes I'm not part of that because I was openly against uh the administration and it's on record but you opened that door. So you were the respectful to some of my colleagues. So
that's why I answer back to you and to the council president. Thank you, council president. No problem. Any other counselor? Council president. Council Rosario. Mr. Hootton, do you want to add anything to Do you have anything to say? No. Shaking your head over there. You okay? Are you sure? Come on. You have
the time. I think we're going to sit here for a long time. Council President. No. Give me one minute. Council Lord Rosario. Council through you. Council President. Council President. Yeah. Give me one minute. Council Rosario. Okay, council vice president before we go back to you councel councel vice
president I want to recognize councel okay I'm very respectful because my was in vacation he asking me see he not be present see I can run in the meeting I
think no was nothing wrong we not any uh anybody by love uh I don't know understood right now I know Maranch express she want to be present and she have the right she is the chair uh but I want to mention that part because uh
through the ordinance committee I see my chair cannot be present he called me and asking you be uh you concluding the meeting we can look at the schedule we can find out but I don't know what is the to situation today.
Hello, Vice President Infante. Actually, uh, thank you, Council President. I actually have no further comment. I I believe I've said everything that I that I needed to say and um and my decision. Any other counselors?
Any other motion? Uh, council president, are there any other options? I mean, I'll ask you as a parliamentarian that's before us. If you give me a minute, I I'll definitely want to give you an answer. Just going through this please don't
Good day. stand. Uh, counelors, there is a can I entertain a motion to unjourn There is no motion to adjourn. I going to on our rules. I'd like to make a motion, council president, before we make whatever the rule. What is the
motion? Yeah. Um, I I'll relish the floor to my colleague from district B. Um, thank you. Thank you, councel. Um, councelor Lean. I would like to uh make a motion based on Route 11. Uh, I want to
discharge the item from the personal committee. Route 11 at the end. Madame clerk, I want to take it out of the personal committee. Bring it back to be in a specific order. Okay. What you're
saying in both rule 11 which is suspension of the rule and the second part says that no committee should be no committee should be discharged of the matter before the committee unless member of the council on send
second as per rule 11 of the city council rules. Uh what you're saying, they want to make a motion to pull it from committee and uh and uh second section of the committees of this rule 11 says no
committee shall be discharged of the matter pending before the committee unless six or more members of the council consent thereof. So you need six vote to for this motion to go over. So there's a motion on the table properly second discussion. I hear no. At this point,
Madame Clair, please call the call the question. Councelor Levy, yes. Council La Plant, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council ML is noted as absent. Council Reyes, yes. Council Vice
President, no. Council President Rodriguez, no. No. Two, three, four, five, six. Yeah, you got six. Six in favor, one absent, two members. Okay. Motion carries. Now we have the item here. Now we have we
entertaining motion. I mean we're entertaining that uh business 16324 which is confirming of Maurice Aguilar the nominee for the chief of police and this item was sent out to the city council by Mayor Brian a
dea. We have that uh we have the item at this point here. Council president. Council council. I'd like to make a motion that we suspend the rules and to uh essentially not send it to a committee and keep it here at the full council level for a vote next Tuesday.
Second. Um well there is no such thing that is not in order because we have to send it to committee. What is the rule? Six. I think everything goes.
Rule six is the city council shall provide for the establishment of standing committees by which all business shall be referred to study and recommendation before actions taken on the council. The president of the council shall appoint members to the standing committees. So are you saying suspending rule six? No
at at the risk of getting involved in this um a simpler solution. A simpler solution is to table the matter and then bring it up at the next meeting. Could you repeat it, please? Yes. You
You have it before you. You have the vote for the police chief. You vote to table it on Tuesday night. You vote to unt and then we can call it at that point to have a vote that evening. Yes.
Motion to table. So, attorney Hton, before I recognize the motion, can you repeat that again, please, for the record? Um, you have you've brought this forward. You've brought it back from committee. It's before you. Like any other matter, it's before the city council at this time. One of your options under the rules is
you can table any matter. You can table that matter tonight. It is then under tabled matters. Under proper procedure at your next meeting, you can unt not getting any position of what you want to do that you're the committee. I'm just telling you that is an option
that you have. Uh there is no discussion on the table matters. I just want to make sure that uh we we get it. Not on the table matters. I mean it is it is a motion in front of us already. Motion to table. Well, there is no I I I can't make a motion. I hear a motion
from councelor Lon and it was second, right? Yes. Stop deliberating counselors. If I can comment on this, can can the motion can the motion be withdrawn? Motion to table be withdrawn for discussion. Then we can have a discussion on this publicly.
Motion withdraw. Thank you. Motion there's a motion to motion. There is a you withdraw the motion to table. Correct. Yes. Okay. It doesn't. Yes. Council president. Motion to withdraw the motion to table. There is there is not there is no motion. No motion.
Motion to table. You just withdraw your motion. Let me repeat again. Motion to uh withdraw. You just I say there is no motion. No, I don't need to make you draw. You just withdraw your motion to table. Okay. Thank you.
So at this point, we need a motion to discussion. Council President, there is a a shuttle objection to a to a vote potentially. Chart objection to a vote. Motion before that we have we we don't have a motion to open it for discussion. So before I open it to
discussion, I need a motion at this time. We have we brought it up from committee. That is in order. Now we need a motion. And uh once we have a motion, I going to recognize the ch the chart objection for the vote. Sure. Until we
have that, we can continue the discussion, but we need a motion to be able to discuss. Can I make a motion for purpose of discussion? Four. Can I speak? I think to approve. Motion
to approve for purpose of discussion. There is a motion to approve for the purpose of discussion. Um, can I hear a second? Second. Properly second. Now we can open it for discussion. Once we call for the vote, I will recognize the chal objection at
that point. So, uh, discussion. I only have a question. Council president. Councelor Levy. My question for was for Mr. Thank you, Mr. Hoso. Uh, see, we table if we table this. Yeah, that's that's
not in order. Just ask a question. It's a question. Is that in order? She's talking about under the discussion of of of the approval. She's talking about potential motion. She she's asking legal opinion, I'm
guessing. Okay. So he mentioned that we can table the item. So my question was we table the iron in here and that all we table the iron because the the iron was sended to like the personal committee. So the
iron is going to be table in here and we can take it from here to the full council or we take it from the personality to the full council. The matter is back before the full council right now. The matter is not before personnel. You have voted to remove it
from personnel. It is now before you. If you wanted to, you could vote on it right now. You could have hearings on it. You can do this is a regular meeting. You could do everything that a regular meeting wants to do. You can bring the candidate up. You can ask them questions. You can take a look at the
You can do anything you want as a regular It's a regular item before a regular council meeting. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification. Any other discussion? I think it's a brilliant motion.
I agree. Honestly, um to the council to my district, district B. So, it's a a brilliant motion. Um I'll be supporting that motion this evening. Um, and even if there's a charter objection, uh, this will still be coming up. It'll still be
coming up on Tuesday. All right. Thank you, Council President. Any other discussion? So, there's a motion to approve. I'm not ready for that. I understand. That's I'm just I want I want to understand Wait a minute. I need to I need to be fair to the
counselors. So, if there's no one else that wishes to speak on counselor counselor counselor I understand the process. Okay. So there is any other discussion on the matter before I call the question. Yes.
I do not want question to be called. I don't want to vote this evening. I want this motion to be tabled this evening. But and then um there is I have a motion in front of me. Sure do. So if if I cannot change the motion can't there is a motion right here to approve there. I
mean there is not there is no way for me to change the motion. We're not looking for there is no more discussion before I call the question. What's the question? The question in front of us is to approve of the purpose of discussion. For the purpose of discussion. That's the motion. That's the motion that we have in front of us. Correct. Madame
clerk. No motion. Yeah. It is the motion for the purpose of approve. Motion to approve for the purpose of discussion. Motion to approve. That's what she said. I can't change the wording. No. But when you make a motion to approve for purposes of discussion, that means you reserve the right to to pull it back later. You also don't have to pull it
back later. That's right. If we make a motion right now, Mo Aguilar is going to be the next police chief tonight. If this motion passes, that's understand that that's not what this counselor wants tonight. This
counselor wants to vote next counselor. Counselor, I can't make a motion. I can't make a motion. We have a motion in front of us and procedure- wise I need to proceed. I can't stop. So what
I'm saying if it is any motion that over over that trump this previous motion if it's an order I entertain it. What is there is any other motion? I can't call for motion. No, I'm I'm there is a motion. This the motion to table
trumps the final the final. There is there is no motion to table counselor. I'm making a motion to you are but make it make the motion to make the motion to table because right now we don't have anything council president I'm trying to the table council president there is a
motion to table no discussion on the table matter please madam madame councel councelor second it all those in favor please say I please call the role sorry can't write this fast I can't I
can't I can't make a motion Council Reyes on the motion to table. Yes. Council Mama is noted as absent. Council Santiago, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Council La Plan, yes. Council Levy, yes.
Council Vice President Invonte, yes. Council President Rodriguez, yes. I vote uh yes. Perfect. The the motion carries. Uh what's the motion? Motion to adjurnn. There is a motion to second properly second. Madame Clair, please call the RO.
Council Levy, yes. Council Plant, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council Marmal, noted as absent. Council Reyes, yes. Council Vice President, yes. Council President Rodriguez, yes. Motion
carries.