Good evening and welcome to the ordinance intergovernmental relations committee. Today is Tuesday December 9th 2025. This meeting is conducted virtual as a virtual meeting with the proceedings broadcast on the media outlets such as zoom which is uh the
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may use the links that I just mentioned. Uh we um I'll ask the clerk to please call the role. >> Um good evening. Councelor Frankle Miguel >> present. >> Councelor Gre Rosario
>> present. >> Uh vice chair Selena Reyes. Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent. Uh, a chair Mark Lan >> present. If you all would just Thank you. Could you all please rise and join
me in the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Good evening, counselors, and welcome to
our I think this might be our last meeting of the year. Uh oh. Before we get going, we do need to um approve the minutes from 11:23. So, we do have the minutes in our packet. I'm looking for a motion to accept the minutes.
>> Motion to approve. >> Motion made by council um Miguel to approve, seconded by council del Rosario. Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. Councelor Franklin Miel.
>> Yes. Councelor Gre Rosario. >> Yes. >> Uh, Vice Chair Selena Reyes is noted absent and chairman Mark Lan >> present. Uh, yes. Sorry. Yes. Motion carries. I'm just checking to see
if our colleague is here. Not seeing her. Okay. Uh, eyes. I'm just looking through. We have detective Heggerty who is here with us and we have I think National Grid here with us. So what we'll do is u let's go with the
detective heard first with his items and then we can go right to National Grid. Um I we got the packets uh detective so I can just start reading the the numbers and we can find them on the agenda and just go through them.
>> Okay. Good evening. >> Good evening. So, the first one I have is document 42425. >> Yes, >> we find that in our packet first. >> And that's handicap parking at uh 124
Trenton Street. What is your recommendation? >> That's a favorable recommendation for handicap parking. >> Looking for a motion to send this up to the full to the council with a recommendation over a public hearing. Motion to turn on the full council. Favor recommendation order a public hearing.
>> Second. Motion made and properly seconded by council Miguel. Any discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Greg Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and
chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Motion carries. The next item is document number 43025. Uh that is that is uh no parking
um on Pearl Street. Um check to make sure. Um what's your recommendation, detective? >> We have an u we have an unfavorable recommendation. >> And what's the purpose? What's the rationale behind the unfavorable? un I
mean it's they're comp the people that put in the request are saying it's just very crowded up there and they have a hard time coming in and out of their driveway. Um I just that's unfortunately that's the state of the city right now that's so overcrowded on these streets.
I mean if Pearl Street it's just like all the other streets up in the area. I think everybody in that north Lawrence has this problem. Uh, I just think at this time we it's not something we would like to do. Uh, but
we could send up traffic control and keep an eye up in the area. So, if they are parking too close to the corners or crowding some of the driveways, we could um have traffic control keep a better eye on the area. >> Very good. I'm looking for a motion or discussion on this matter. Is there a
motion? >> Motion to withdraw. >> Motion made. Is there a second? Second. Motion made and properly seconded. Uh discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregory Del Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Raes noted absent and chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Motion carries. Document 43725 is handicapped parking at 197 Crawford Street. Uh detective, what's your
recommendation? We have a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address. >> Motion to send to full council favor recommendation to order a public hearing. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. Seconded by councelor Miguel. Discussion.
Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregor Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Land. Yes. Thanks. The
next item is document 43825. This is handicap parking on at 47 Abby Street. Uh detective, what's your recommendation? >> We have a favorable recommendation for parking at at this address.
>> For a motion. >> Motion to send the full council with a favor recommendation to a public. >> Motion made second >> and properly seconded by councelor Miguel. discussion. Seeing no discussion, I'll I'll ask the clerk to please call the role.
>> Um, Councelor Franklin Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Grego Del Rosario, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes, noted absent and chairman Mark Lan, >> yes. The motion is adopted.
>> Adopted the full council 438. The next item is document number 43925. This is handicap parking at 151 Willow Street. Detective, what is your recommendation? >> We have a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address.
>> Looking for a motion. >> Motion to send to council in favor of recommendation. >> Motion made. Is there a second? Second. Motion made and properly second discussion. See no discussion. Clerk, please call the role. Councelor Grego de Rosario.
Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Rey is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Motion carries. Thank you. Next document is 44025
Handicap Parking, 87 Trenton Street. I don't really get why they say unit number one. It doesn't go to an individual. It doesn't go to a unit. It goes to that area. But anyway, detective, what's your recommendation? Favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address.
>> Very good. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to send to full council hearing. >> Uh motion's been made to send to full council favor recommendation order public hearing. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by council del Rosario. Discussion. Seeing none. Clerk, please call the role.
>> Sure. Councelor um Gregory Del Rosario. >> Yes. Councelor Frankie Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is
document number 44325 childc care parking 11 Platt Street. Uh detective your recommendation. >> We have a favorable recommendation for childcare parking at this address. >> Excellent. Um looking for a motion.
Motion to send to councel with federal recommendation for public hearing. >> Motion has been properly made. Is there a second >> and properly seconded? Uh discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Um councelor Grewood del Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent. And chairman Mark Land. Yes. Motion carries. >> Carries. >> Uh, next is 44425.
This is 15minute parking, 64 Berkeley Street. Detective, your recommendation? >> We have an unfavorable recommendation uh at this time. >> Uh, and and uh how did we get to that? >> There is the business is located at the
corner of Berkeley and Hall Street and Hall Street is already um ordinanced for no parking on the street at all. So that eliminates that portion of Hall Hall Street. And then the it's literally right on the corner. And there's not
enough curb space to get the allotted 20 feet from the corner to stay away from the corner to their property. There's not just not enough curb space right now unless they maybe change something on Hall Street. >> Okay.
Council, I'm looking for a motion. >> Motion to withdraw. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Motion made and properly seconded. Discussion. >> See no discussion. Clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Uh, Councilman Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Greg Del Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. Next document document is document 45925. This is handicap parking at 464 Havville
Street. Detective, what's your re What's the police's recommendation? >> Um, council, what did you have for the address? >> Uh, we have a handicap parking at 464 Havville Street. >> This is interesting. All right. So, the
number that's on your sheet and what's on the agenda is different. Let's go right to the document. >> 464, right? >> Yes, sir. uh through you uh we discussed this uh last week or the week prior to that and
and we checked the address and we actually changed the address of 464. I don't know if you remember, you checked the uh it was a mistype >> 446, but the the paperwork that we had on our file, the driver's license or gentleman requesting, >> it was 464, but I mentioned to change
it. Probably we didn't change it to send it to the police uh or it went with the old address. It did not update um the report changes for Teresa. >> Okay. >> Sorry, >> council. I didn't I didn't see didn't
see that. So, I went with the old 446, which is Primos's liquors. So, I'll have to uh I don't know if you want to table it and I can fix the uh the ordinance. >> Yeah, that would be great. Uh yeah, that should be 464
H Street and um definitely we'll uh motion to table that. Uh motions have been made and properly second. There's no discussion. Clerk, call the role. >> Sure. Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Councelor Grego Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Lena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Plan. >> Yes. Motion carries. I just want to say that that on the agenda, Council Del Rosario, it is correct that the change has been made. And thank you very much,
clerk, uh, for making for helping us get to that change on the on the on the document that's tabled. Excellent. All right. 46025. Uh that's handicapped parking at 41 Juniper Street. Clerk, what's your Oh, sorry. Uh detective, what's your recommendation?
>> Aable recommendation for handicap parking at this address. >> Okay. For a motion motion to send council recommendation to the public hearing. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion made and properly second.
Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. Sure. Councelor Gre Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. Noted absent and chairman Mark Llan.
>> Yes. Motion carries. >> Motion carries. >> Next document is 46125. This is handicap parking at 15 Brook Street. Uh uh detective, what's your re what's the police recommendation? >> Favorable recommendation for handicap parking.
All right, looking for a motion. Motion to central console recommendation. Motion made second and properly seconded. Discussion. >> Seeing none, clerk, please call the role.
>> Councelor Greg Gregory Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Llan. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> Next is document 46225.
This is handicapped parking 8789 Springfield Street. Detective, your recommendation? >> Favor favorable recommendation for handicap parking. >> Okay. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to senator full council with a favor recommendation to order at public
hear. >> Motion made >> and properly seconded discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. Uh, councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Greel Rosario. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent. And Chairman Mark Lan, >> yes. Motion carries. >> Thank you. >> Uh, I think this is our last document, Detective, but I think uh 46325. This is handicap parking at two May
Street. What is your recommendation? >> Favorable recommendation for handicap parking. Motion has been made and is there looking for a motion. Sorry. >> Oh, >> motion made by councelor Bill Rosario.
Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by councelor Miguel. Discussion. >> See none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Uh, councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Grego Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice chair Selena Reyes noted absent and
chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Motion carries. Motion carries, I think. Is that it, detective? >> That's it. >> Great. Appreciate Appreciate you. Appreciate your work and your teamwork on this uh and contribution means a lot. I don't know
if we're going to have another meeting. It seems kind of near the end of the year, but if we do, we'll let you know. We're getting near the end, so this might be our last one. All right. >> All right. Thank you. Have a good evening, council. >> All right. Have a good night. All right.
I see that we have uh some folks from National Grid. Um there he is. See here, Mr. Saflers. >> Yes. >> Did I pronounce that? >> Uh Safler. Yes.
>> Safler. Good. Thank you. All right. So, um welcome. So, >> thank you. you you're here for national grid items. So I I guess we're gonna we're gonna go right into it. So uh is there any particular one you want to start off with?
>> Uh yes. I guess I'm here mostly to uh discuss uh regarding all the um tabled petitions that we have with you regarding the ones petitioned on October 7th and on November 6th. um
if these can be untabled and brought up in the next ordinance. >> So, we're looking at the the table items on October 7th and November six, right? Is that what you said? Yes. >> I just want you to you should you should
know that we moved two items up at the last and ordered public hearings for two other items at the last full council meeting. You should just be aware of that and I don't have the numbers handy. They're at the full council at this point. They were two older ones from like >> Okay. >> August or something. September. A um
August. Um >> Okay. >> So, October 7th. It's a lot and November 6th. All right. So, um let's just pull one and start with it, I guess. So, I'm
looking at the October 6. I guess we'll gober. >> October. I'm sorry. October 7th. That's all right. >> And let's just pull one off because we'll start this conversation one number 40.
Let's just start with that one. >> 407. >> Yeah. >> All right. Give one second. Pull that. >> 407 is J pole on Berkeley Street near Montgomery Street. >> Yes.
All right. >> Let me know when you're all ready to begin the discussion on this one. >> One more time. >> All right. Um, if you don't mind, may I start? >> Uh, you want to start? >> Yeah.
>> Go right ahead. SL. >> Thank you. Uh so National Grid is to install one JO pole on Berkeley Street beginning at a point approximately 50 ft southwest of the center line of the intersection of Montgomery Street. Uh National G will install a new pole. The
poll will be labeled 3358-50. Uh this pole is to uh support new equipment that will uh increase reliability for the residents in that area. I understand that we had issues
regarding a lot of these midspan polls previously, but um just wanted to know how you all feel about it. If you have any questions. >> Sure. This is probably we're not going to go into a lot of depth, I don't think, for all of them, but I think on this first one, we should go into some
sort of depth to distribute the committee to full speed and then the rest of these will go a lot faster. So, we'll probably spend more time than we probably would on on the other ones. So the just as background numbers um we
we have tabled these matters because we were concerned about the proliferation the increase in the number of polls that were being generated throughout the city. And then contrary to that, this the speed that we were having putting up polls and the lack of speed and the
delays in bringing down the double polls um I think was of some concern uh to I think to all of us or else we wouldn't have tabled it. So um we've had a series of discussions um I've had discussions with national grid. I've had discussions with the
city. I've had a secondary discussions with the city and getting more information. Um, I think council we might even have some of that generic, nothing specific to any particular poll, but just generic poll information. I think you might have that uh in your emails. Uh, and what we what we've
determined is that is is that the the desire to get these double polls. There are a number of different individ companies and entities that have rights or have a need for the poll. And to be
able to get a second poll gone or taken out requires communication and with the other parties and funding. Now, what I've learned recently is that well, the city has had a number of of interests.
I'm going to use interest in the poll, whether it's the fire department or whether it's IT or whether it's DPW. we apparently were able to clear a lot of that backlog up as far as the city interest in many of the polls. So the number that was originally I think it
was 40 something I forget what the number was but that number has dropped precipitously dropped dramatically uh since then um and what I discovered as well is that the the city help me with this Mr. Slather I think the city
actually owns the poll. I think that's the I think that I think that to be true, although I'm doubting that at this point. I did send an email and did not receive a response back from the city attorney on this matter. Um I I don't
know where we stand as far as um what what more we can do to push, but that's that's kind of where it stands. Now, I've been advised by DPW that they're doing all that they can with the funding sources that they have to try to move as quickly as they can to try to provide
closure on the city stuff so that there can be a reduction of the secondary polls. Um, I'm still at a bit of a loss. I will tell you a personal story and then I'll I'll be quiet for a little bit. As I was leaving my house just the other day, I
took four steps down, made it right out of my house, and there was a National Grid Truck there putting a secondary pole two houses from my house. Like, it was like the timing couldn't have been any better. I'm watching them dig, put the pole in, and I say to the guy, "What what is going on here?" And they go, "We're just putting the second pole." I
go, and it was a contractor. It wasn't from National Grid. It was a National Grid contractor. Of course, he doesn't he's just carrying out orders. He's doing his job. Um but I'm I'm like what do we you know it's just another it was just very real at that point. It's all been real but that was like okay we're
not we're not we're not getting any traction and it was extremely Mr. S was extremely frustrating to see that. Um I mean so help me understand from your perspective because I got the city's perspective what were how many polls do you have any
idea how many polls we've actually have taken down within the last year? double holes. >> Um, unfortunately I don't have that information with me right now. Um, >> is that
I'm going to be very candid with my colleagues here. I I I am I am I am even though my voice may not may betray me, but I'm I'm frustrated by this whole issue. Um I I I still can't understand I
still cannot understand how we can be so good at getting polls up and we can be so poor at getting second polls down. It seems really easy to get a poll up and it takes
it and it it just it council del Rosario please help me. >> Thank you. Thank you. I I mean I have I have issues with national agree in general and you know throughout my years in the city council.
>> Um we are the only city first of all we were the only city charging the less money just to publicize public hearing than any other city. We are the only city they have poll issues and and in and in in Massachusetts I want to believe. I mean you go to methan they
don't have that issue. You go to Andova they don't have that issue. It's just us. They dump it on us. I had an issue a few months ago where they changed the polls and our security cameras were behind the polls and they couldn't touch the polls. That's why I don't believe the city owns the polls. Uh when you
need to do something with the polls, you got to contact National Grant. So I don't believe that the city owns the polls, but we are the only city that they come up again Mr. uh Brian uh right here because he's new
and I can tell you in the six years that I've been sitting at city council, this is the first time we've been seeing him for the past months, two or three months that he'd been sitting there. So, he won't have the answers. They throw him in there knowing that we have issues with national grant. Um they don't they
just come up, we approve the polls, they do the polls, they go, they get money. It's for the better and they say it's for the better service for continuous. Yes, but I'll continue to pray for those services. So, it's not free. Um, and we're going to have that issue
continuously. And they come and try to approve six, seven new polls, right? But they don't tell you that they're going to take down two or three old polls. And they come back two months later and they want us to approve six, four, five new
polls. But they haven't take the old ones or they haven't removed old ones. So they don't bring a report saying out of those six that we put new, we took three out. So we going to continue having those issues and and they blame somebody else. So what I said in the
last meeting is before they post those polls, white national that is the one asking for the permission to put those polls there doesn't get uniform with the other companies say listen we're going to put this here today and we need to remove this tomorrow. So, we need you guys to be with us there tomorrow to do
the whole removal thing. No, they just get the permission to put the poles. They put the poles there, they get paid, and they go away. And we got the issues. Right now, in the corner of my house, I have a double pole. One pole is hanging with a piece of wood in the middle,
right? And you can see it. It's a extremely poor job like holding the other ones right next to the other one. Not just that again uh chair again if you go to all the cities it's only to us the national dread do this it's because we allow them
to do the work and we they don't get they I mean we never this is the time that we've been working putting things table but before that we issue approve approve approve approve approve but they don't come back to remove them they don't come back at all to remove them
unless somebody complains unless something happens So they don't have that initiative. National GRE doesn't have the initiative to help us remove this. So we need to work something out. Either it's either stop the whole work with National Gret and they actually do their work and
clear out the backlog or send somebody they had the correct numbers so we can work with them. But they don't care about that. I don't care what what anybody says. But National Gret doesn't care. National Gret they just want to put loopholes to get new service to continue charging our constituents. But
whatever is left over is left over to us to deal with. So we need to we need to work something out. Uh and again if you contact Nand over North Andover you see that that's not happening there. You contact me and that's not happening there. But you come to Lawrence it's
like the dumping ground for everything that's happening with this great companies. So we need to find a way and I appreciate you the work that you have done. try to get them into a table where they can you know we can find out how many but after that how many have they
removed honestly we got the report from from our own department for all DPW department but how many actually they have removed national GRE and they give you a number to actually they have removed since we table those items I bet you they haven't removed a single one so that's telling you that they don't care
but they want to post new polls they want to bring them all up thank through you, Mr. Chair. >> Um, Mr. Miguel. >> Yes. Uh, I do share the same concern as council de losio and Mr. Chair Llan. Um,
I do see on the layout that you're providing uh to us that you will installing a new poll between two other polls already. Uh, is that correct? >> Correct. So, we're adding a third poll. a third pole basically uh is what you're
requesting now. Are we I mean is that pole uh located with enough spa enough space for handicap accessibility in the on the sidewalk? Are we taking that into consideration that we're going to have
people walking around it? We already have two other polls in that location. And I see that you're placing this pole P uh 3358-50 in the middle of two other polls. >> Uh yes. So whenever we set a new poll,
we do make sure and try our best to make sure we are ADA compliant so that people can walk in that area. Um we don't want to be putting poles right in the middle of sidewalks or anything like that. We don't want to disrupt people from walking or getting from one place to another.
>> Okay. >> So, I just wanted to correct an earlier comment that I made. Uh I I just revisited an email that I received from the DPW. Um the poles are owned by National Grid. So, I misspoke earlier. The poles are owned by National Grid and
the street lights are owned by the city. Um and because once this once national red transfer is up, EPW returns to complete the the street light transfer. And as of last week, there were 12 pending street light transfers. So 12 were the number that they're looking the
city's looking to to to move over. And I think I'm not sure if I got you the list of those 12. Um >> uh yeah, that list might be with um uh Shimat maybe. I >> I do have a list, but it's it's it it it
I don't understand what the what the letters mean. Um TCGMA something is h L WrDPW SDP. I get the DP at the end. Lawrence, please Lawrence police. Lawrence DPW.
Um, LWNCFD fire department and it there we go. I figured it out. All right. So, we've got some that are I guess moving to for for 12 12 street light transfers,
but but we still have a lot of again double pull. I think there's more than 12. I don't even I still don't know what the I mean I we had some numbers when we had that meeting, Mr. lather and um >> Mhm. >> and and that number is I think dropped somewhat but I still don't know how many
double pulls we have throughout. And so it's I I my point remains we are looking if we go through today when we go through these we're looking at a dozen perhaps I haven't done the count but maybe there's
10 or so 10 or 12 and yet we're not going anywhere near that pace and I just it's I >> I yeah I understand the concerns and I understand your feelings with it. Um I
actually um so after our meeting I was speaking with um the other uh the other people in that meeting and I did actually find just now the um some of the details that you guys have been asking for. Um I can tell you from our
estimates that the number of polls installed were about 171 polls in 2025 and the number of polls pulled uh was about 132. Now these are estimates because um of how the engine system kind
of works but it should have >> repeat those numbers again. In 2025 say it again >> in 2025 there were 171 poles installed. And this isn't just double pole poles. This also includes poles that have been
just newly installed. Um >> and then >> what's the 132 represent? 132 represents number of poles that have been removed like double polls >> and that was in 2025 >> correct. >> Okay. Well, that you're making feel a
little bit better. Okay. >> Yes. Uh it's definitely a work in progress and um from from our conversations and my conversations with Shamat uh we do have monthly meetings with the DPW and double polls is always
on the schedule. It's always on the agenda. that's always spoken about and all this information is given to the DPW. Now, uh when it comes to double polls, uh as far as I know, National Grid does not get paid to be put up a to put a double pole up. Uh in fact, we want
nothing more to than to get rid of double polls in general. We don't like seeing them as much as you guys don't like seeing them. Um, but unfortunately the way double poles work is that there's multiple different companies on that pole. And we all can't be liable for everyone's wires. It just
doesn't end that way. And we can't have people touching our wires because our wires are dangerous. So, we need to be the ones to touch our wires. And that's why we have the system of we remove our wires first and then it goes down that list. uh and that list includes DPW, includes the fire departments, the
police departments, IT departments of the city, but it also includes companies like Comcast, Verizon, and all of those. So, uh when we look at the list provided, um and when we looked a few weeks ago during that meeting, uh we
noticed that there were very few that had national grid numbers on them. um the DPW and the city had quite a few, but that was due to um just a failure on the backlog to kind of check mark those.
So you guys have been on top of your stuff. So that's great news. So now what happens is all those numbers now get pushed onto Comcast. So now Comcast has a very long list of double polls that they need to remove and they're the bottom of the list. So once they
complete their removal of wires, they are responsible for removing the pole. So um I don't like throwing blame around. I'd rather be responsible and I rather give a solution. But I think in this case a solution would be to get
Comcast involved. um to I don't know if I'm not sure if you have contacts too or if you can put pressure but um we always have conversations or try to push them along but um like you saw too like contractors
do a lot of the work too. Um for National Grid and for Comcast um so I want nothing more than to help the city. I want nothing more than to remove as many double pulls as possible. We do put the effort in and we do try our best to I I understand it's stressful. I
understand that they are ugly. Um but we are trying our best. >> I can't verify that. I can't verify that um that that the city has since my our conversation a couple weeks ago now that they have actually turned things and
moved things over like you just said to Comcast and they they checked the boxes off that they had to in the system to say, "Yeah, we're taking care of it." Now it's Comcast's whoever it is is next to to do what they have to do. Um so feel free I mean we in the city or DPW
I'm sure has a a contact with with Comcast. Do they show up to those monthly meetings? >> I'm actually not sure. Um I think it's just between National Grid and the city. Um I mean if we can get Comcast or if they're already involved I'm not sure.
But that would be fantastic. Yeah. So it's it's so so just as a recap counselors, you know, it's >> the this to the city's credit. When I say the city, I'm not talking the council. I'm talking the DPW, the administration. >> To their credit, what they're doing is
that they have been bringing uh monthly um national grid and going through these and having a report done. And so they're actually putting some attention to it. And as Mr. Slather said earlier, am I pronouncing your name right? I I hope I'm not butchering it. Slathers
>> Safler. So the L's >> Slather. >> Safler. >> Saf. Saf. Safler. Thank you. Is that better? Safler. I want to >> That's perfect. >> Perfect. I don't want to butch your name. Safler. Appreciate it. Um >> Yep. So um
so to the city's credit they are bringing in the these folks to have this kind of conversations. The good news tonight I didn't know one of the questions I had one of these meetings was how many and so now tonight you've got the number 171 installed 132 removed
over this this this calendar year 2025. So that that actually makes me feel a little bit better. I mean I was thinking we're just putting all these ones up and we're not taking any down. So, at least we're taking some down and now the city is moving forward more quickly. And I and I have to think,
counselor, it's because of us. I have to think it's because we have shown a little bit of a light, brought some attention to it that that's getting the kind of traction that it is, and that's part of the idea here. So, um, I want to applaud the council and the counselors
for for for joining and doing this. Um, I just don't know what our next steps are. I mean, I guess we can we last week we went two weeks we went to good faith. We released some. Um, I'm feeling better. I don't think we're at the end of the road yet. Um, I I think we have
to continue pushing hard on this. Uh, I I I would love to see my state my statement I got to stop talking, but my statement holds true. I want to see less going up, more coming down. And I just And we have to change that ratio. Um,
and I I don't and I and maybe it's a Comcast discussion. Can you send us Mr. Satler the your contact person at Comcast? I'll talk to this we'll talk to the city as well and see if we can have a meaningful conversation with them.
Maybe bring them in to one of these meetings um when we're looking to put a poll up and we're looking to take some down and they're the sticking point. I love to have that kind of communication with them so they know how serious we are about it. If you can send that over to us, that would be great.
>> Yeah, of course. I'll uh I'll talk to my contacts and see if they have um have anyone that can provide that information. >> Uh I also did want to clarify um I understand that uh Mr. Del Rosario brought up that uh sometimes there's difficulties understanding if we're
installing poles like brand new poles or replacing them and causing a double pole. So, I just wanted to um I guess reiterate that on the on the business items here. Whenever you see install pole, that is normally a new pole that's going to be down in the ground. When you
see replace a pole, um that's when the double pull happens. Um so once you see replace, that would be the key word that this is going to create a double pull situation. And um I just wanted to clarify that for everyone here, that way
we're all on the same page. Mr. Miguel first and then council delar go. >> I do have question or clarification for the you were mentioning about Comcast removing the polls >> correct. >> Okay. So with the number that you shared
with us the 133 the 132 was that number coming from Comcast? >> So that would be the bulk. Um so when you so if we look down at the agenda and we see install JO poll
>> JO means jointly owned. So a jointly owned pole means it's owned by National Grid but also owned by Comcast. >> So when we say that that means uh National Grid is the one who installs the pole and Comcast is responsible for removing the pole. So it's jointly
owned. If you see um if I'm not mistaken so which means solo owned uh that's normally national grid owned pole. >> Okay. So basically I'm I know when you're having all these uh projects going around you do utilities
meeting with either Comcast Verizon. Can you provide us just as uh Mr. share requested besides the Comcast uh contact information also provide the remaining utilities uh companies that deal with uh
the poll. So we uh at some point coordinate a meeting with utilities and and and see find a a final solution of for the removing removing the poles or switching the wires to the new pole and getting rid of it.
>> Yeah, of course. I um I'll make a note of that and I'll reach out to my co-workers that they should have contacts with Comcast or Verizon and they can uh reach out. Um >> thank you Mr. Del Rosario.
>> Thank you Ch. He explained it pretty well. Yes, sometime there's a new poll, but when you give me the address of the street, there is a poll. We know what the new constructions are. when you come in the Juniper Street, when you come in Lawrence Street, when you come in at
Allington Street, that's going to be a double pole regardless if they requested for a new poll. Um, and another thing that I learned JO, it's it's basically double own. So, they should be both in our ordinance meetings, not just
National Greg. So, we should request them both to be when National Greg is asking for permission to put the poll in. So the other owner of the post should be there with that. So again, National Negret is the only
one coming to us to ask for permission. So who's going to bl who are we blaming? National Greta is the only company that knows who's leaving the wires out and that's why they not removing the polls. We don't know that. We're trying to find out who's going to help us with this,
right? Jo, right? Jo. So it's two owners of the poll joining owners, right? So, we need to change the way they come and ask for permission. Somehow at at the ordinance meeting, both of them needs to come in. Both owners of the poll needs to come in.
We're going to put them in and they going to take them out. So, that should be a requirement because right now, uh, Mr. Satler, it's at the end of the day, it's it's Comcast the issue, right? That's what I'm that's what I'm
listening. That's Comcast the issues. us who has the permission who asking for better permission is national grant. So if we put all these polls on hold and we table all these polls right now the only one that is going to be heard is not going to be it's not it's going to be national. It's not going to be Comcast.
So I'm I believe I truly believe the national should be the one grabbing the bull by the horns and say Comcast listen we're not going to be able to work if you don't finalize the work. not us chasing Gumcast because we can actually
table all this for three more years and and and national will be the only one hurt for this. They not make any money. He said but yeah if you don't if you don't provide the service with the new polls you're not going to make any money. You're putting those poles for your own convenience to make money and
and give you give us electricity. Yeah. and we pay for it. But at the end of the day, National Aggress should be the one calling Comcast and say, "Listen, I've been going to the organizing the work that you should finalize. Why do we need to chase Comcast?"
I mean, I know we want to find a solution for our constituents of our city, but at the end of the day, National is the one asking for the permission. National again should have Comcast or whoever is not doing the final work and say listen if you not do your work we're not going to be able to do our work because they're giving me a
hard time. So somehow this is the way that they need to go again I have no issues table this matter I mean for for another couple of months until we find a solution I know they need to work and I know they need to put those new poles and new constructions and all that stuff but they need also to
help us somehow. We're going to chase Comcast and you know what Comcast is going to tell us chair that is national grid issue and and we're going to be back and forth and and we're going to continue to give national grid I mean the permission to put those polls and that's going to be
the back and forth but national credit is he is here asking for the permission they should be the lead into what you doing right now finding a solution if it's Comcast they should call Comcast themselves and say listen they giving me a hard time at the city because you're not finalizing the work that we need to
So I believe they need to be the lead on this. Not provide us the phone number for us to call. They need to be the lead on this. And when it comes to should have J owners asking for the permission to put the polls.
>> Mr. Sampler, if you uh you work with their communities, um that seems like a very reasonable approach to me. um what would be what would be the harm in in in that in following up like that like what my colleague just said and
having Comcast be a part of us. >> Yeah. Um honestly I do petitions for every single for pretty much every town. Um, so I've been across and I've seen quite a lot, but um I have not seen like
a Verizon or Comcast um representative at any of these meetings. Uh maybe one time, but um yeah, I'm I'm sure um that you know, you make a good point. Um, I've made sure to highlight that and I'll be bringing that
up in a in a meeting with uh the community manager and seeing if maybe we can get someone in. Um, if that's something that's Yeah, that I haven't we haven't heard from from Mr. Miguel, but that that makes
sense to me. And my other question is, has Comcast been at your door saying, "Why aren't we getting these JO poll? What's happening?" are are I mean they have just as much interest that National Grid does to getting these polls up. National Grid you're through you you're
the one doing the pushing. Meanwhile, as my colleague alluded to, we're not hearing from Comcast that I think they're just as impacted, I would think, and they would have the same interest as National Grid. They want those polls up, right? I would think
or why is it joining? >> Yeah. So yeah, it would be supporting their wires essentially. Correct. So it would be in their interest to uh support uh the J pole. Correct. >> But the poll is owned by National Grid and Correct.
>> Uh yeah, it's jointly owned. Correct. So it'll be National Grid. >> Yep. National Grid and Comcast, >> right? And we have a lot of those now that are jointly I'm presuming because I I see we've been passing J polls for a while now. >> Correct. Yeah. Majority of poles are
jointly owned poles. Uh usually soloowned poles by national grid are poles that are necessary to keep infrastructure kind of um uh solid essentially to support stuff that no wires from those companies would
need to go to. So my my colleague here um Sleuth Miguel is reading and uh on this 407 um he is correctly pointed out this is a joint poll covering
national grid and Verizon. So would it be Verizon and not Comcast for number 407? >> Oh correct. Um >> yes I misspoke. Thank you very much for correcting me. Um, it would be Verizon.
>> So, so each one I'm trying to find the comp. The next one is 408 is also Verizon. Trying to find one that is not a Verizon. The Comcast. >> Sorry, I might have misspoke during this meeting. My mistake. Uh, it would end up being Verizon. Um,
>> so insert Verizon then Comcast. But I do Right. Okay. So, so whenever we said Comcast, we actually mean Verizon. Got it. Okay. >> Yep. Sorry about that. That's a lot. No worries. I get it. >> All right. So, we should be bringing Verizon here, not Comcast. Join polls.
That should be the concern. That makes sense to me. Okay. Um, who is um N Aaron Fernandez? Is that a person from National Grid? >> Uh, no. Aaron Fernandez is a contractor.
Is that a National Grid contractor or a Verizon contractor? >> National Grid. >> All right, councils. I uh we got we're going to move on here, but so as I see it right now, here's how it what our options are. As I see it, let me go to both extremes. We can go through these,
go through them all, pass all of them, send up to the full council, right? And continue working. That's like one extreme. The other extreme is we don't do anything with any of these and we say listen well we need Verizon to be here if it's a joint poll a JO uh we need to
have this conversation um and and that I think um puts the proper amount of discussion and uh forward in the middle of this would be well we we're getting we're getting traction we're getting some
attention do we and we're these things have not only slowed down but they have stopped. Do we want to stop them or slow it down and still have some stuff go forward but not as quickly until we get all the answers. So I think there's a speed and a pace to this full forward
absolute stop or some go through as we're still working through them. Um do and does anybody have any thoughts my colleagues here on the the pace >> you chair >> council Rosario >> I mean
this conversation brings me ideas but that's okay I don't mind working through all that what you're going to see from me tomorrow is a proposal ordinance that it's going to what it's going to do is it's going to demand both of the owners of the polls when it when they come for a request I'm going to try to create an
ordinance to come for a request a jail poll. Both of them needs to be here. And also on that back end of that ordinance needs to be at least 30 days to removal the double polls. So that way they have an ordinance that they need to comply with. And that will also come with
penalties. Penalties that they need to pay. I mean our city is moving forward. Our city is it's it's looking beautiful. But we are allowing this big companies to do whatever they want to do with our city. So what we need to do as a body is create ordinance the day the day needs
to respect the day need to go by and that's what I'm doing tomorrow. I don't care if we pass all this now but we need to work on something that it's something we don't have anything in place. We don't have anything in place right now that we got to tell national that you got to leave by this ordinance and and
they know it. Again you ask him you ask Mr. Saler about all the communities. other communities don't have these issues because they they don't do it in other communities and they have limited things in other communities. It's just they we are the dumping ground and I and
what we need to do is create ordinance and make them make them I mean enforce the ordinance and and we need to create that create an ordinance before they come and ask for permission to to to put those new poles or put double polls and
then have an ordinance in the back end. they enforce them to remove what they have given the time 30 days you need a removal this going to be the penalty and and and you'll see things are going to change right now we can approve all those Mrs. Saler is going to go home and and then we're going to get those
installs and then at the piece that they take it out they're going to take it out it's been happening for years and now is when we seeing a little thing because we tableing these matters that's when we see a little movement that's when we see numbers that's when we seeing a a mean I
mean Mr. Sal trying to get his job done because he's here to do his job and we stop him he's not doing it. So they trying to get numbers to us and this is the only thing but we need to implement ordinance and make them I mean make enforce the ordinance to national grid
or whoever and that's the only way that's the only way we're going to get this done. So, and that's the proposal. Today, we can go either or we can we can, you know, we can move this order along, but starting tomorrow, I'm working on somehow and I hope that I can get you guys support so we can get
ordinance that that I mean penalize them for for what they doing to us. >> So, uh I'm not going to comment too much on that. I'm I'm open to seeing what what councelor what you put together as an ordinance. We certainly have the
authority right here. uh we're not required to adopt or pass. Uh we can stop that from happening at this level and at the full council level. Uh but I'm curious. So we'll I you know for me I can't speak for anybody else. I I'll I'm open to seeing what you put together
and and um it has to it's interesting because we already have the power. We already have the power. We don't have to pass any of these. We don't um they have to come through us. And so >> I understand but I mean through you I understand but I I don't know if you remember National Red when it cames to
the fee to to advertise or to to publicize this in the newspaper. We were the only city that were paying $100 to do all this job and the city was paying the rest of the money to the newspaper to post and and I had and I and I spent years trying to push this thing through even it went through. So it seems like
that we need to do something similar so we can get this done. Let's go back to my qu So that's that's a that's a story for a different day. We'll see what you put together. Uh tonight my question before this committee is pace. Are we going to adopt this? Are we going to stay? Are we on any of these? Are we
going to just do some? Are we going to move them all? I want to get a sense from you. I um I can tell you what I'm I'm I'm kind of thinking, but I don't want to I don't want to put too much of my information around on it. So before I say what I'm thinking, I'd love to hear what you what if you have any thoughts
on it. It's council. Yeah. Um I know the last meeting we sent some to uh full council. >> So I will be proposing u we move u slowly. >> Okay. >> So we get some responses from national
grid and Verizon what they are committing with us like moving forward. um we can discuss about the October 7th uh uh polls and they table the remainings until we have some um
feedback or actually commitment from the utilities companies on on this council del Rosario um the question is pace do we want to you you understand the question I want to repeat myself so what what do you think the pace should be on this
>> to me honestly speaking to me I I will stop following at the end of the day. Uh whatever or I mean whatever I mean whatever motion is put out there I I I might support but if it's up to me I will put this whole work
on hold till till we see real movement or when we can get a real meeting with everybody involved and and get a commitment out of it. >> Yeah, I appreciate there's no wrong answer and there's no right answer on this. is is whatever we think is the is the the pace and they have their merits
both sides. Uh so where I stand on this I'm actually I I'm I'm citing a little bit with with with my colleagues to my right. Um I don't want to stop completely. I want to get the message sent out. I think we can still do the message. Um I do I I'm not we're not
going to put them all through. We're going to slow this thing down until we start getting some answers, but I don't want to put everything to a complete stop as well. I do think that does stall some progress. So there's a to me there's a there's a a balancing act here of moving stuff forward, continuing
progress, but also some accountability. And I think if we can find that happy medium, the council Miguel has recommended all the whatever the October ones, >> October 7th. >> October 7th. That's that's that's a big chunk. Um
we could do that. Um >> I can also make a recommendation if the just happened. Yeah. Go. What do you think? >> Sure. Um, so the equipment that's going up is essentially things for reliability and it's not just on our side, it's also
for uh residential side. So the equipment that we're putting up will essentially tell us when there is uh an issue with power in that area and it could also resolve the issue on its own. Sometimes if the issue is um is like
quick um quick faults essentially in the lines uh that happen usually from debris hitting it like tree branches or maybe a squirrel gut gets in there or something. We never know um in the moment but um that equipment would be helpful for residents. So if we could focus on
passing things that are in denser areas um I think if we could just help more residents that'd be great. I don't know if that makes sense with the the select board, but >> it does. Our entire city is very dense. It's not like we've got like a pastoral
area. It's we're all kind of together. >> So, um what we could do, council del Rosario, in your district, for example, if you want to say no to your district, uh I'm not sure which of these on is in your district for that date. That might that could that might be something you might
want maybe. Um 407 Berkeley Street near Montgomery Street. We know what district is that your district. >> It is on the on B um on one the side of B but is on the other side is A. So it will somehow benefit district A.
>> So would you want to pass? Would you want that to go forward then? Yes. Is that your recommendation? Okay. Let's maybe that's the way we do it. Council Del do a motion as we go through each one make a determination and maybe we just stick on this particular thing. Maybe we just stick maybe or maybe not
on on October the 6th. So we'll start with that one. >> Looking for a motion on document 407 JO poll at Berkeley on Montgomery Street. Is there a motion? >> Made a motion to send it to full council public hearing. >> Public hearing. Motion is made. Is there a second to that one?
>> Second. >> Discussion. discussion. Got it. >> It's it's a great idea what you propose, uh, chair, but I mean, if if if I'm against it in my district, but the two of you are okay with moving it forward, what does it work for me to I mean, I
>> I'm against the whole work. I could have stayed quiet and not second it and and and it failed. So, let's move it on. I'm I'm going with whatever you guys decide and and and and and I and I work on my back end what I need to work. So, and again, Mrs. Mrs. daughter. He was a community help. It's
it's to help the community. I I guess he's being he's being coached. Um let's go. Let's go. It's second. Let's let's let's get National Greg going and and and let's get it over and done because and it's getting late. So, let's let's do it. Um but again, they use the
community word. It's to help the community. Think of your community, but they don't think of our community to remove the polls. >> You uh council Miguel. >> Yeah. Uh I do share the same concerns as my colleague. um console de Rosario. Um
but I do understand as uh the Mrs. Mr. Safler uh mentioned that we do have liability with this uh projects moving uh being delayed uh one way or another. I understand both sides but I do
understand also that um eventually if we pause all of this it will affect us on at the long run. um especially when we have any events in in in in our city. uh eventually I'm hoping that this all
these uh projects are for improving uh our our constituent and that's why uh we are requesting and demanding from a national grid and the horizon to come in
front of the city council and present us with real solution on this uh jo's been made and properly second at If there's no further discussion, clerk, please call the role.
>> Sure. Uh, so this was document 40725 sent to the full council and order public hearing, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, um, councelor Gregor del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent
and chairman Mark Laand. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next one is 40825 install a joint ab near DuraB that's in my district. Um just to let you know I I am not looking for it. There'd be other ones I'll be moving but this was not one
that I'll be moving forward. I'm going to be I'm going to be asking for a motion to table that one. >> Motion to table. >> Motion table's been made. Is there a second? >> Second. Motion made properly second. No discussion. Clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel.
>> Yes. Councelor Gregor de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Lena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> So here's the exciting one for me. Document 40925 and saw a J pole on
Marlboro Street near South Union Street. Guess which poll I saw when I was walking by the other day was already up. That one. Moralboroough Street is where I was walking and they were putting another pole. That pole, if it's the same pole, I can't
tell. I I mean, I should probably look at the number. Um, but it's it's interesting. It's it was it was on Marbor's very small street. >> Um, and um that's where the that's where that poll was uh when it was put in earlier in the week. So my question is
I'm going to jump to a conclusion that I can't verify until I go and look at this number on the poll which I haven't done but there not a lot of polls. My concern here is if that is true if that poll is already up
should it be already up? I why why would it be up? But I guess I'm gonna ask I'm gonna leave it at that because I don't have definitive answer. So maybe there's another poll. Maybe there is. Maybe there's another poll. Um I don't know. Do you have a a master list there, Mr. Safler, that you can look?
>> No, >> unfortunately I don't. But I mean, I can tell you from the job itself. Um that that would be a brand new poll. So there I think, if I remember correctly, the story you were telling that it was a double pole that was being put up. >> Yeah. So they were putting up a new pole
right there. I actually took pictures. They put >> I was walking right by it and um >> Fair enough. Fair enough. Uh, I'm gonna look at it one more time. >> View. >> And um, so there was a poll. There's a poll
there and they were putting a new poll in right there. >> Is it about 592 South Union? >> Let me see where it is. Oh, good point. Um, is that South Street right here? >> Y, >> that's it right there.
I I'm gonna have to double check. That could be that poll. Maybe it's closer, right? I I'll have to double check. That's my point. So, let me So, I'm going to ask them for a motion to table this one. I'm going to double check it. The poll might already be up. I don't know. Um there's a motion to table document 40925.
>> So, move. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Motion made properly second. No discussion. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Font Miguel. >> Yes. Council Grego de Rosario. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is for at the table. Document 41025 install Jop Pole on Brookfield Street near Bing Street. Looking for a motion to send this up to the full council with the favor recommendation.
>> Order of public hear. >> Motion to the full council with federal recommendation here. >> Motion made. Is there a second? Second >> motion made and properly second discussion. >> Yes sir.
>> Um just point of clarification um we don't have honestly speaking we don't have councelor Miguel I don't believe that we have any responsibilities when it comes to that they come to us to ask for permission if we deny the permission they cannot put the polls and it's not a liability on
us. So they know that we can say no at any time and they they cannot unless it happens what happens in and the chair uh I believe that's that's the poll you know what it is why I believe that's the poll because they are 100% certain that
we're going to say yes and the contractors they go and get paid do their job without permission so um I don't think we have any liability if we say no because they are here asking for permission it's up to us if we allow them to to put the polls or not. But
that's all >> I don't want to go back along. I am going to go back. If if if if that poll is the poll that I think it is, >> there's a bigger problem here. >> Let's not go there yet. Let's not go there yet. Let's not go there yet. We're
not gonna go there. >> Totally understand. Yeah. >> Okay. But we're we're just going to deal with this one on Brookville. Motion been made. >> Yes, sir. Chad, if you if you go by and ask the poll that you're there, I'm going to check all the numbers and I'm
going to drive around and I guarantee you that all the polls are already up and we are here trying to deny if that's the one. All of them that he's trying to get permission for, they already up. >> If that's the one. >> All right, I'm not point out that we I
will point out that we do not support that. uh we come here for permission because it is on >> uh city property and we don't want to put anything that isn't supposed to be there. >> I'm not going to I'm not jumping yet. So, we're going to do so. >> It may or may not be. So, we're going to
figure out the answer. Um on on So, we're back to number 410. Motion made properly second. I'll ask the clerk to please call the role. >> Councelor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Council Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and
chairman Mark Laand. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh document 41125 and started Jo Poland Shepard Street near Glen Street. I'm looking for a motion to send this up to the full council with favor recommendations. Is there a motion? >> Motion to
recommendation for the public hearing. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion made properly second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. Councelor Greg de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent. Chairman Mark L plant. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next one is 4125 J Paul and Street near the intersection of Tukberry and Koolage Street. I'm looking for a motion to send that up to the full council with a favorable back to order
public hearings. Is there a motion? Motion to send a full constit motion made. Is there a second? Second. >> Motion made properly second discussion. See none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Council Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor G Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent. And chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh I am under for me I am under no I am not looking to move any on the November 6th one to be honest with you.
>> Um unless anybody else changes their mind. We're not going to do any of the November November six. So summer going up as you saw Mr. Sappler >> u do me a favor if I'm going to look as well. Is the number that's on there is that the number of the poll? So if I wanted to walk by and council Rosario was mentioning he's going to drive by
some of these. If is that reference number the poll number? Uh the poll number will be uh so when you look at the legend you'll see proposed JO poll is the uh circle without the X in it and that'll be poll 299 if I'm not mistaken. If I'm looking at the correct one.
>> All right. So uh which one which number are you looking at? Which item? >> Um I'm looking at um 408 I think. >> Or are we looking at uh 409? >> The one that I'm talking about is 409. So let's All right. Okay. Let me look at
that one. Yep. So that would be poll number 5599. >> Poll number 5599. >> The contractor may be looking at the meeting and he's going to change the number tonight. >> All right. They're good, but they're not that good, I don't think. Council Del Rosario. Uh, so five, what's the 5599?
Is that what the poll number? Okay, >> correct. Yes, >> that's what I'm looking for. All right, I'll do that. Council Rosario. So, did you I'm not sure if you got your packet there. So, did you get that? So, if you're going to go look around. >> Yes, I do have >> Okay, good. All right. So, there you go, Mr. Sa
Sather. Saf dog gone it. Saffler, I think we're set. So, appreciate you're coming tonight and representing your company very well. So, um we will let's stay in contact >> of course and I appreciate the board for discussing all this with me. I understand there's still uh issues that
need to be resolved, but I'm glad we had this conversation. I'm glad we're having this meeting. Um thank you for all of you, including Mr. Del Rosario. I understand that you're super against it, but uh it is nice to have you here. It is nice to have a voice, even though it is against the polls. It's it's nice to
see that someone cares. >> Um >> yeah. Uh thank you very much for your time. And um >> one more thing, Mr. Safford, Mr. Uh I do have one more uh request. Is there any way that we can uh get a
presentation of current projects on why we are uh doing all these improvements and if you can call it improvement um in you know in our city I mean since you're submitting a lot of items we want to know is that actually
um I mean how is it improving the the the current grid uh that is in ci in the city? Yeah. No, that that's fantastic. No, that's a great question and um thank you for bringing that up. Uh we do have meetings with the DPW every month. You
are more than welcome to email the DPW and participate in that. I can let them know in advance to uh prepare uh I'm sure they already have one too because we've spoken um with many others about this project. Um
because it is reliability for the grid. Um as many of you maybe know a little bit um the grid is getting heavily uh heavily taxed with um all the new infrastructure out there and all the new
use of electrical appliances and how everyone's moving to electric. Um so we have to do a lot of upgrades to our grid to u make sure we keep up with the new added uh uh load as communities continue to advance forward. But um I'll
definitely include that in my email to our community management team. Make sure that's on the SL on the on the next meeting. >> Okay. >> Uh likely to be in January. I think this December had a meeting. >> So um definitely reach out to your DPW
and then um >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, that would that would be fantastic. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, sir. All right. We're going to move on. >> Have a fantastic night. >> You have a good night. You're welcome. Uh let's move on to new business and then we'll we'll we're going to try to do some tabled stuff for withdrawal
purposes. We're at the end here under new business 47425 resident parking at Lansdown Street. Looking for a motion to send that to the police department. >> Motion made and properly seconded discussion.
Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Okay. Uh, councelor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Council Frank Miguel, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Re is noted absent and chairman Mark Laand. >> Yes.
>> Thank you. Motion carries. >> Next document is document number 47525 childc care parking uh at 556 Howard Street put on by councelor Miguel. Look for a motion to send that to the police department.
>> Yes. Motion made by councelor Miguel. Is there a second? Second. Second. Discussion. See none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Okay. Uh, councelor Greg de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is document 47625. Remove handicap parking at 76 Inman Street.
The purpose of this, let me read this. Um, so this uh this this the person who put this on there had the handicap sign in front of their house. Uh, it was installed on April 1st uh for their for their dad. Unfortunately, uh the the her
father passed away, so there is no need for the handicap parking. Uh so they're asking for the um for this to be removed to add more parking spaces. Looking for a motion. We can send this up directly if you're feeling confident to to order a public hearing or we can have the
police department check into it. >> Motion to send a full counselor favor recommendation order public hearing for the removal. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Motion made properly second. Discussion. Seeing none clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel.
>> Yes. Councelor Gregor Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh 47725. Another This is remove handicap parking at 25 Durham Street. This resident is
requesting that this handicap parking be removed uh due to the sign being quote from the previous owners. So we're following the earlier model. Looking for a motion to send this up full counsel.
>> Motion to full counsel public hearing public hearing. >> Motion made second >> and second of discussion. See none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Gregory de Rosario. >> Councelor Gre Gregory de Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. A document 4720 47825
resolution honoring Gustavo I'm not sure I pronounced his last name Barella from GLTS. Um uh this is put on by councelor Vice President Fonte and councelor Ml. Um they've asked if we could table this matter for another meeting. So, I'm
looking for a motion to table 47825. >> Motion to table. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> And second. Uh, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Gregor Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. council, I I'd like to um to withdraw a lot if we can. I realize that we're getting late. I'm not going to get I'll
I'll take as many as we can get. As many as we can get out the door. Um a lot of 2024s on here. Um, they're actually if if we are ambitious enough, and I'm not saying that we are, but if we're
ambitious enough, I'd love to take the last three pages and move them out. And that would be from November the 19th, 2024 to January 16, 2024. Um, >> can we take them chair? Can we take them as a block?
>> We can take them as a block. I feel compelled to read them all, but yes, we can take them as a block. So there's open people know what we're doing. So I So they I need to read the numbers and read the addresses and all. But yes, >> let's do the three pages. Let's clear it
up. I mean, to me, I'm okay. I'm home. All right. So, what I'll do is I'll do them in blocks by date. All right. Going with the oldest date first, the very end of your book. And so, new business on January 16. So, there's only one item there. Looking for a motion uh document
2024, removal removal of handicap parking space at 25 Dartmouth Street. Looking for a motion to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw. >> Motion made and second. Any discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the role.
>> Councelor Frankle Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Grego Rosario, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Lena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Laand. >> Yes. >> Motion. >> Motion carries. The next is from new
business on February 6, 2024. There's two matters. I'm going to read them both. Take them as a block. Document 2524. request for an update and information regarding the parking meter contract between the city of Lawrence and PCI municipal services and 3624 is amend the time frame for approval of
Canada sent to the city council by mayor. Um looking for a motion to have it as a block and to withdraw. Is there a motion? >> Motion to withdraw as a block. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Motion made and properly second. Discussion seeing none clerk please call the role
to withdraw both. Councelor Frank Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Grego Rosario, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes, noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries.
>> On this this one here, there's two and I'm going to tell you 15124 is request for the status of Veterans Advisory Council. We all know that Mr. Collins has been very big on this. I'm hesitant to withdraw that because we're still
working on that. So, I would I would encourage us to just do the other one on 14924, the removal of handicap parking at 67 Farnum Street. Looking for a motion to withdraw that one. >> Motion withraw. >> Motion made by council deliver, second
by by council Miguel. Discussion. Seeing nine. Cler, please call the role. >> Council frame Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Ggo del Rosario. Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mike Laand.
>> Yes. Motion carries. And that's just for 149 clerk. Not for 151. Correct. >> Yeah, I got it. 15924 >> for April 16, 2024. Document 21324 application for hawkers and peddlers license for power home remodeling and
21724 family day June 22nd 24 Gagnet Park. Looking for a motion to for it to be in block and to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw a block. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> And properly seconded discussion. >> Seeing none, clerk, please call the
role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Grego del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Rees noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next is the May
7th, 2024. This is 23. 2023 24 Junth Arts and Awareness Festival Camping Uncommon on June 22nd, 2024. 2342 24 is a request for hawkers and peddlers license for the sale of flowers and 23724 is a request of a
loading zone at Hall and Berkeley Street. Looking for a motion to put in a block and to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw as a block. >> Motion made and properly seconded. Discussion. >> Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. Yes.
>> Councelor Grego del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next is for new business on May 31st, 2024, which is the first one is 24724
resident parking 73 Irving Avenue. Next is 24824ide parking Fulton Street. Uh coming up from Prospect Street. Next is 25524 transient vendor license for Delhi Moore. Looking for a motion to put in block and to withdraw.
>> Motion to withdraw as a block. >> Motion made and second. Any discussion? >> See none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregor de Rosario. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Next is for June 18th, 2024. These are several. 30524 Lynch Street. Traffic study request modified parking and making a one-way street. 30624 remove
handicap parking space at 32 Lawrence Street. Uh 30824 Magnolia Street One Way. 30924 Creation of fourway stop sign Alson Street and Dale Street. 31124 World Street One Way. 31324 Holton
Street one way. Looking for a motion to put it in block and to withdraw. Motion to withdraw as a block. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion made properly. Second discussion. >> Seeing none, clerk, please call the role.
>> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregor de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice chair Selena Reyes noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next is for items
for July 2nd, 2024. The first 31724 propose a new ordinance for the licensing board administrator. 3242 24 proposed new ordinance for the sanitation and hazardous material program manager. 32624 stop sign for waist stop at East Pleasant Street.
33024 50minute parking at 241 South Union Street and 33324 review real property task force. Looking for a motion to um to put in block and to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw.
Motion block. >> Motion has been made to put in block and withdraw. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion made properly. Second discussion. >> Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Gregory Del Rosario. >> Yes.
>> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent. And Chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Um, >> thank you. You're You're welcome. Uh what we're going to do is we're going to
uh uh uh have a a brief very brief two-minute recess. Two-minute recess and be right back. Is there a motion for a two-minute recess? >> Second. >> Motion made by Council uh Council Miguel. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> Uh discussion. Hearing none. Clerk,
please call the role. >> Council de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Council Frank Miguel. >> Yes. and vice chair Selena Ray is not absent and chairman Mark Plant. >> Yes. Motion carries. We're at two-minute recess. >> Thank you.
>> Don't go anywhere except for you. Looking for a motion to come out of recess. Motion to come out of the recess. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Council Del Rosario. >> No second. We have to wait for him to come back.
Second. Sorry about motion's been made and properly seconded. Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Gregor de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Laand. Yes. Motion carries. We're back. Uh this is July 16th, 2024. Uh 33524 15minute parking 152 Broadway. 33624 removal of two stop signs at Canal
Street at the intersection of Apple Street and Mil Street. 34524 stop signer of Hable Street at Columbus A. 34624 resident parking on Bradford Street. Looking for a motion to put it in a block and to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw as a block.
Motion made second >> and seconded discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Council Franklin Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Gregor Del Rosario, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent
and chairman Mark Laand. >> Yes. Motion carries. The next is for new business on August 7, 2024. Uh first one is 37224 childcare parking at 59 Front Street. 37324 child care parking at 245
Brew Street. 37824 install one uh so pole. Hey, we know what that means now. One SO pole on Auburn Street near Short Street on Oak Street. 38524. One side uh one side parking on Beacon A and 40224
uh Hamlet Street Frost School review and update ordinances ordinance times for oneway street. Looking for a motion to block and to withdraw. Motion to withdraw. Motion made >> and seconded discussion. Seeing none,
clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Greo del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Lena Re is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Only one item from
August 20th. 40824. for remove handicap parking at 117 Sterns. Looking for a motion to withdraw. Motion to withdraw. >> Motion made and seconded. Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Grego de Rosario.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is from September 5th, 2024. The first one is 41824. Remove handicap parking space
at 45 Bigalow Street. 42324 resident parking Tremont Street near Hampshire Street. 4252 24 resident parking Albian Street from Avon Street. Looking for a motion to put it in block and to withdraw. >> Motion to put in block and withdraw.
>> Motion made >> and seconded. Discussion. See none. Cler, please call the role. Councelor Grego del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Fronte Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Lena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh next one is for September 17th, 2024. Several items. First one is 1419 Handicap Parking 9 Saratoga Street. 43224 resident parking
Lincoln Court. 4342 24 resident parking only Josephine A. 43524 Oneway Josephine AB 43924 Childc Care Park and 220 Sunray Street 44724 status of maintenance of Oh
boy, I'm not going to put that one in. Bring that back later. 44924. No parking Bradford Street at Amesberry Street. Looking for a motion to put in block except for one and to withdraw. Is there a motion? Motion to withdraw uh as a block except
item 449-24. >> 447. >> 447. >> Yep. >> Is there a motion made and properly second discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Grego del Rosario. >> Yes.
>> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Llland. >> Yes. Motion carries. Uh 44724 is a status and maintenance of historic Rollins School clock tower. I know Mr. Collins has been working with us and has
been and that has not been that's not fallen off that's been active. So if it's an active something going on I don't feel compelled to withdraw that. So that I know that's been worked on. So that's the reason why that is has not been part of that motion. Okay. Next,
um, one item from October 21st, 2024. The, um, oh boy, 49324, creation of city council policy regarding dedications and namings. Looking for a motion to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw. >> Motion made. Is there a second?
Seconded. Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Ra is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries.
>> Motion carries. We better hurry up because I'm running out of power on the Zoom call. Um I got 10 10 minutes left. Uh November 7, 2024. Several items. 52024 approve amendment of city zoning ordinance. Oh boy. Uh to allow accessory
dwelling units as a permanent use. I can't um number 52924. One way on Columbus Avenue 53024 No parking Warwick Street from Hav Street to Daw Street 43124 oneway Tenny Street from Arlington
Street to Whitman Street 532 24 resident parking Bramfield Street 533 24 resident parking 73 Irving A 53424 Resident Trinity Street 53524 No parking one side
of Buswell Street 53624 No parking uh southside of 30 396 Water Street. Looking for a motion to put a block and to withdraw. >> Motion to withdraw as a block. >> Motion made second
>> and second and discussion. Yeah. Um I Mr. Sure. I see that uh see I mean we do have this uh items from November 7, 2024, but I see references in April 2025. Does that mean
that those items still um in process of being worked out or do should we um take those with uh April 2025 references? I would uh excellent point, councelor
Miguel. Um based based on that and since there was some action and I I don't know honestly I just don't know if if if we got resolution we may have received something from them. We may have passed it. Um >> may I >> Yeah, go right ahead please.
>> I think that some of them they we're still waiting information from the city engineer. >> Okay. So >> yeah, I think that's So I think that's fair. So, um, I I would re I would follow on your recommendation where you're going to, which is if you've got if we've got something there, I'll go
through the list again that's got some sort of 2025 angle to it. Let's not withdraw that. So, if you don't mind, I'll I'll go through that list again. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so 53024, which is approve amendments to the city's zoning ordinance to allow accessory dwelling units as a permitted
use. >> Next one would be 53024, no parking on Wal Street. Uh 53124 one way on Tenny Street from Arlington Street to Whitman Street. Oh, that I'm sorry that
>> that has so that will not be part of the block. There's action on that one. So don't put 531. 53224 has action 53. So don't put that in. Um, the next one would be 53424 resident
parking on Trinity Street and 53624, no overnight parking on Southside at 396 Water Street. So, what Maria, would you please just read with the ones that I I just read to make sure it's accurate?
>> Okay. It's u 5204. >> Yeah. >> Document 53024. >> Yep. Then document 53424. >> 530. Yes. >> And 53624.
>> That's correct. >> Right. Sounds good. Thank you. So motion to put those items in block and to withdraw. >> Yeah. >> Is there a motion? >> Motion to put those items in block with. Motion made. Is there a second?
Second. Second. Discussion. Seeing none, all in favor say I'm sorry. Clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Councelor Grego del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Rees noted absent and
chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> Carries. >> Give me a second. I just got to get that. >> And we've got four items, right? You had four. Yes, four items. >> Perfect. Uh, November I think this is our last the last one. Uh, November
19th, 2024. Um, and we'll do the same thing. Uh, 55324. No, we're not telling that that that's got a 25. So, what um first one will be 55824 proposed art ordinance to regulate
commercial parking in residential areas. Next one would be 55924. School zone Hamlet Street. Entire street during the school year and school hours. 56124. No parking. Sunday is only 290
Water Street. And that's it. Just those one, two, three to put them. Is there a motion to put those three in block to withdraw? >> Motion uh to put it in a block and withdraw.
>> Motion made. Is there a second? Second >> motion made properly second discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Okay. Um, councelor Ggo de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Frank Miguel.
>> Yes. >> Vice chairs Lena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries to put them in block documents 55824, 55924, and 56124
and to withdraw. Must block and to withdraw. >> I hate to say this to my colleagues. >> So, based on the criteria we just set forth, I'm just looking real quick and and there are just a few. Um, if we can just do a little quick housekeeping. Um,
the first one that I'm seeing is on a September 17th, 2024. I see a document 140, 434, 435, 439. Those items also have a a a 2025 date on it. So, um, technically we can make a
motion to reconsider. So, this is the the order. motion to reconsider um and to table those items. So, I'll read those out loud again. Um document number 1419, handicap parking at 19 at 9
Saratoga Street. 43425, resident parking only on Josephine A. 43524, oneway Josephine A. 43924 childcare parking at 220 Sunray
Street. And that's it. Motion to reconsider and to table. >> Motion to table. >> Reconsider table. >> Motion made to reconsider the table. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. Discussion. >> Clerk, please call the role.
Uh sponsor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absson and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes.
Um I hate backtracking. So I see on August 7th we've got a couple looking for a motion to uh to reconsider and to table document number 37224 which is childcare parking at 59 for
street. 37324 childcare parking at 245 Brew Street. That's it. Looking for a motion for those two. Motion >> motion request. Second. Motion made properly seconded. Um clerk, please call
the role. >> Okay. Councelor Greg Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregor Rosario. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you.
>> On the July 6, 2024, I see a stop sign at the corner of Havl and Columbus. Looking for a motion to reconsider entre Rosario. >> Yes. Council Frank Miguel, >> yes.
>> Vice Chair Lena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> On June 18th, 2024. I see document number 305 which is Lynch Street traffic study request 30824 Magnolia Street one way
31124 World Street Oneway and 31324 Holton Street oneway looking for a motion to reconsider and to table >> motion recon and table. Also, can we send correspondence to the city engineer
to update us on what's the status of those oneways of those requests, please? >> Sure. Let's make it real simple on this one. I don't want to go back to all the other ones, but on these, let's do that as part of the motion u to also include correspondence to the city engineer for an update.
>> Yes. Second. >> So, that's been a So, that's part of the motion. Reconsider letter to city engineer and table. Clerk got them all. So clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Frank Miguel.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries.
>> I think I think that's it. That's good. That's a big chunk. Also, I don't have anything else. >> If there's if there's nothing else before us this evening, is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to
second. >> Motion made and properly second. One more thing. Um all f uh clerk, please call the role. Motion to adjourn. Roll call. Councelor
Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Ray is noted absent and chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. >> Motion carries.
>> Carries. >> We are adjourned. Thank you everyone.