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personnel director. I'm saying admissions director. I'm applying for to go back to school. So all these admissions application has my brain going crazy. All right. >> Hello Sarah. How are you? >> Hi Stephanie. How are you, Miss B Madam
um vice president? >> Hello. >> Can you hear me? >> I can hear you. Is everyone good? >> Let me make sure I have it all the way up, but I know I do, but I just want to make sure. >> Okay, we can hear you. We're good. All right, we're gonna the show started. Um,
good evening and welcome to the Personnel and Administration Committee. Uh, today is Thursday, November 13. It is now 7:15 p.m. We have all three committee members present um here in the
city council office including myself the chair of the committee of the vice chair of this committee when councelor Wendy Luzon and councelor Anna Levy pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2022. This meeting of the personnel committee is being conducted via remote
participation. A reminder that persons who would like to listen or view this meeting while in progress may use uh any of the following act may use this Zoom link this Zoom session uh to join us or they can follow along through our Facebook and YouTube accounts. At this
point, can you please join me in the pledge? and for the flag of the United States >> United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Right. Um, these minutes were already approved yesterday. All right, counselors, we do have minutes to approve, but these minutes were they were the same minutes that we approved during yesterday's session. So, we have uh Can I have a
motion to come out of recess? >> So, move. >> Motion has been made by councelor Levy. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by councelor Luzon. Madame clerk, can you please call the role? >> Councelor Wendy Lon.
>> Yes. Present. >> Councelor Anna Levy >> present. >> Madame Chair Stephanie Fante >> present. >> Okay. So before we get into the interviews, um yesterday I began and we
have also yesterday we had our city attorney, but today we have our personnel director, Director Garcia with us tonight. Um before I started the interviews yesterday, I shared a presentation with the applicants and
it's a it is a short overview of the memo that was sent to us. Actually, let me at this point share my screen. Can everyone see my screen? >> Yes. >> Yes. So, this is a short overview of the
memo that was sent to us by Director um Garcia on November 5th, 2025. And it was officially um timestamped or or or seen by our city clerk on November 6th. And this memo is a detailed memo on the
process that the city council um is required to follow for this process. So, I just want to and I just realized I did not update the date for for this PowerPoint, but we're just going to quickly go through this and um we'll then we'll get into the the the
interviews. So, first things first, the purpose of this of this uh oops, let me go back. Uh the purpose of this process is um obviously to have a fair, consistent and transparent process of this evaluation and interview of the candidates uh for
the three appointed elect uh three appointed seats. And our goal is to ultimately identify candidates who are best qualified um to join the city um the the school committee and to work in conjunction
with the elected the the elected uh representatives. um of the board. This is the overall process of the of the interview. First, what we did, we did a pre-screen. So, we uh and what I
mean by we, the uh personnel director with some assistance of from the city attorney and also the city clerk. They pre-screened all the applications to ensure that we had um that they all met the qual the criteria and the qualifications within the job
description. those um that did meet those qualifications and criteria were then forwarded to the entire city council. So we received all your applications and your resumes. Then we conducted interview one which is which is occurring now tonight and and
yesterday through the city council personnel um uh committee. And again this is a formal structured interview. Now each counselor present today we have a score sheet that for each individual
candidate the most that the candidate can score is a 30. Um so you can score anywhere between one and 30 depending on on how you respond to to each question. At the end of the interviews this committee will um convene and compile
and average out the scores for each individual. And this is all done during an executive session, including the interviews are also done during an executive session. Once this is all done, um we do have an envelope that is sealed and was locked
away last night. Uh we have a a storage here in the city council office that requires a key. So once this is all done, this will be handd delivered to the HR director will that then will look through our notes. She will look through
our scores and she will um in conjunction with the with the committee we will then send up the top two highest scores for each category. So for the finance category, for the education category and also for the legal
category. These six individuals will then be in front of the full council where the last and second inter the second and last interview will be um conducted and then the council as a whole will deliberate and make the final appointment uh for the three appointed
seats on the school committee. This is a quick overview again who's doing who's doing the interviews council personnel committee the city council with the support of the personnel director and city attorney. Again, this is formal structured interviews. But the biggest thing is that every single
candidate is asked the same question. The same the candidates that we had last night got a set of questions that you guys tonight will receive will be asked the exact same questions that was included within the memo that was sent from the personnel director.
And for the preparation of this, we're following again the memo that was sent. And what we're looking for as we conduct these interviews, we want to see if we want to get um a sense of your knowledge of education and policy, how you are
with teamwork, collab and collaboration and also um your your understanding and and openness to communication and community community engagement. We're also looking at how you handle ethics and judgment, your
your um skill sets for decision making and problem solving and your commitment to equity and inclusion within your role and also for our community. This is a preview of the scoring um the scoring system that we're using is again
a one through five, a five for one scoring um system. five. You'll get a five if you provide us with strong specific examples. You get a four if you're you're you give an an amazing um response, but don't really use uh really
strong examples or anything like that. Uh you get a three if you answer the question um satisfactory and then a two if it's limited or or unclear or a bit confusing. And if we believe that um or
we feel that your answer was not really um relevant or doesn't answer the question that we asked, then you'll be you'll be scored a one. Government governance and transparency. I'm going to read this word for word because this is the most important part. Recordkeeping. All completed score
sheets and related notes will be retained by the personnel department in accordance with the city's record retention policy. Public transparency. The evaluation criteria and process will remain available for public review to ensure
transparency and confidence in the election process. And now this is where we get to the interview breakouts. Um these are determined by by the order of the agenda and also by the order of um
the individuals that that confirmed with either our confidential secretary or our city clerk either that you are in the waiting room. Are you I just Get out. >> Okay.
Give us one second, please. >> Thank you. All right. So now after now we we went through this presentation, we're going to go straight right into the interviews. What's going to happen is uh we're going to motion into an executive session. But prior to that, I
mean after that, sorry, I am going to put everybody back into the waiting room. Uh besides, we'll start with the first person who I have on my list is Sarah Perez. for us. You will stay on with us. Um once the interviewer is done
uh through through their interview, they can you know log off and and say bye and then the next person will be invited back from the waiting room um to conduct their interview. So before we get started, just want to make sure everyone's under understands the process
and is okay. If you can give me a thumbs up, that would be great. >> Great. All right. Um, counselors, can I have a motion to go into executive session for the purpose of personnel? >> Motion to go into executive session.
>> Motion. I heard councelor um Levy first. Motion made by councelor Levy, seconded by councelor Luzon. Madame clerk, can you please call the role? Councelor Wendy Lon. >> Yes. >> Councelor Anna Levy.
>> Yes. >> Madame Chair Stephanie Infante. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. We will have the personnel director and our um um clerk with us during during these
interviews. Okay. Now, I'm going to put everyone back into the waiting room for now. besides Sarah Perez. Sarah Perez um you will be with us. I have to meet everybody back because I forgot that we will re reconvening.
Sorry everyone before I I forgot to mention we will be reconvening in the in the public format after um after executive session. Now you're you're going to go into the waiting rooms. Okay, we're ready to go.
Hello, Sarah. How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Let me just let me just double check our IT um let me just text the IT person, make sure that we're off and everything.
Sorry, Sarah. It's typing. Sorry, through you. Can I ask something to S? S your last name is with H. Your first name is S >> with an H at the end. Yes. >> H at the end. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> I put you in the waiting room. Okay. Okay. Okay, let me bring you back in. Sorry. Um, we are still live. So, we are going to fix this right now.
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We're live now. >> Yes. >> All right. Good evening and welcome to the budget and finance committee meeting. Today is Thursday, November 13. It is now 6:16 p.m. Voting members present. Uh we have the vice chair,
councelor Marmal online. Um councelor Luzon and myself, the chair of the committee, councelor Infante. Pursuant to chair pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2022, this meeting of the budget and finance committee is is being conducted via remote participation. A
reminder that persons who would like to listen or view this meeting while in progress may join us through this um Zoom meeting and can also follow along with us through our Facebook and YouTube pages. Um at this time, can you join me in the
pledge? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Since we have no minutes to approve,
um going to go right into new business. The first business item is >> um Madame Chair. >> Yep. >> Did you do roll call for the voting members? I did the roll. >> Okay, perfect. >> We have um
>> a little um >> um do they call my name >> earlier, but you're good. >> Okay. >> I'm present as well, Madam Chair. >> I Yeah, I mentioned that that online we
have the vice chair and councelor and then myself. All right. >> Um I I new business the first item under new business is item 431-25 authorization to expend $680,38
from the federal department of health and human services reach grant. And we have Martha Holtz the project coordinator for the office of planning and development and health task force here with us tonight. Martha you have the floor.
Good evening, council members. Um, my name is Martha Holtz. I am the reach project coordinator with the mayor's health task force under the office of planning and development at 360 Marramac Street in Lawrence. >> Okay, tell us about this grant.
>> So, uh, the reach grant is a CDC funded, uh, project. Uh we are one of 50 communities across the nation and the goal of this grant is to make healthy eating and active living more accessible to the priority population which in this
case would be Latinos. And we work in four strategy areas that include physical activity, nutrition and nutrition is divided into components. So, uh, food service guidelines and, um, fruit and vegetable consumption and
breastfeeding. We have a resident advisory council that consists of local residents to help inform the work that we do. Um, um, not sure what else you would like
me to speak on about that. >> Is this a grant that we get every year? >> So, this is a five-year grant. We are on year three of the grant. Um, yeah, the city received this grant I think back in 2023. Do
>> you have any questions or comments? Madame Chair, Counc Mar >> um if it hasn't been um mentioned already, um Miss Hull, could you please go into detail as to what organizations this grant um is a benefit of?
So, the the organizations that we've uh previously been working with that help um work in these strategy areas that I mentioned are um Greater Lawrence Family Health Center, Greater Lawrence um
community action council. Uh we have um because it has an evaluation component to to this grant for all the activities that are that we do. We have a Marramac College that over that that has been working with us over the past two years. Um
so those are and then food pantries. The local food pantries that we've worked with have been Neighbors in Need and the Lazarus House. Does that answer the question? >> Yes. Perfectly fine. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Any other questions or comments? Seeing none, I will entertain a motion. >> Motion to send to full counsel with a favorable recommendation. >> Motion has been made by council mar. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by councelor Lone. Madame
clerk, can you please call the role? >> Councelor Wendel Lone. >> Uh yes. >> Vice Chair Vivian Marble. >> Yes. and chair person uh Stephanie Fon
>> and um >> and to council president Javari Rodriguez. >> Is he on now? He's not on that yet. >> No. So, madame chairs
Stephanie Fanta, you want to guess? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right, Martha. Um, thank you so much. We will see you at the full council meeting next week. >> Thank you very much. Um, we will see you then. Have a good evening. >> You as well.
>> Okay. Bye-bye. >> The next item we have is item 432-25. Authorization to expend $226,944 towards the formula grant from the executive office of elder affairs. And
we have director Valles with us tonight. director you have before >> another another mata I'm following another mata so um this is our yearly allocation of state uh formula grant um and that's based on the 2020 census for the seniors in the city so this is
something that comes in every year and we're here before you to get the approval and this is basically pays for salaries programs um sub subscriptions dues >> okay has any questions or comments Madam Chair,
>> Council Mar, >> Miss Vez, is this salaries all across the board for the whole department or is there a specific um area? >> Okay. >> No, it pays for um the program administrator, it pays for a bookkeeper,
and it pays part-time for the massing motion person. >> Okay. >> Any other questions or comments? Seeing none, I will entertain a motion. >> Motion to send to full council with a favorable recommendation. Motion
>> has been made by Armo. Seconded by councelor Luzon. Madame clerk, can you please call the role? >> Roll call. Councelor Wendy Luzon. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Vide Marl. >> Yes. >> Madame Chair Stephanie Fonte.
>> Yes. >> And council president Javanni Rodriguez. No, we're not not in yet. >> Martha, we will see you next week at the full council meeting. >> Yes, I have another one on the agenda, I believe. I don't know if it's the next one or the one after.
>> Um, I'm not seeing >> next one. 433. >> Title three. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I actually Yes. Yes. I accidentally crossed it off. Yes. Um item 433-25, authorization to expend $9,000 um of the
fiscal year 2026 title 3 grant from the executive office of elder affairs and elder services of the Marramac Valley span is brought to us by dire director. You have the floor. >> Thank you. Um, again, there was a chance
to apply for a small grant to be able to do uh physical um activities and exercise and healthy living. So, we decided to fund our exercise programs for the year through this money. So, it'll pay for the Tai Chi, it'll pay for the morning exercise, the um I have
three different instructors in the morning, and it would pay for some of the evening class also. Okay, >> counselors, do you have any questions or comments? Seeing none, I will entertain a motion. >> Motion to send a full council with a
favorable recommendation. >> Motion has been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by council discussion. Seeing none, madame cler, can you please call the role?
>> Sure. Councelor Wendy Lone. >> Yes. Vice Chair um Vivian Marmal. >> Yes. >> Madame Chair Stephanie Fonte. >> Yes. >> And Council President Javanni Rodriguez
noted absent. >> Yeah. >> Carries director. We will see you next week. >> Thank you very much. Have a good evening everyone. >> You as well. >> Thank you. >> Next item we have is item 434-25.
appropriation transfer in the amount of $400,000 from the stabilization reserve fund to legal services for litigation and it was brought to us by um our city attorney um Tim Hen attorney you have the floor. >> Yeah. So this is a yearly I take a look
at the remainder of the year and see what monies are needed. Uh currently we have we're going to run out of money to pay our outside legal services. Um, as you may or may not know, um, this has been a year where the, uh, we've had the contracts of the various unions come up.
So, one of the law firms is negotiating, I believe, nine different, uh, settling trying to settle nine different union contracts. So, um, we're looking for 300,000 to be transferred to from the stabilization fund for legal services
and then we want $100,000 transferred uh to judgments. We have two trials that are coming up in January and May. Uh we may be able to settle those, but we anticipate the need for the money to settle them at that time or pay them off. So we're looking for this. Um as a
as a kind of a historical fact, last year the amount was 350,000. Um so we are just asking slightly more this year, 400,000. >> Okay. Counselors, do you have any questions or comments for the attorney? Seeing none or hearing none, um I will
entertain a motion. >> Motion to sense a full council with a favorable recommendation. >> Motion has been made by council mar. Is there a second? >> Second. Seconded by councelor Luzon. Um discussion.
Seeing none, madam clerk, can you please call the role? Councelor Wendy Luzon. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Vivian Marmal. >> Yes. >> Councelor President Javanni Rodriguez
noted absent. Madame Chair Stephanie Fante. >> Yes. >> Motion pass. >> Thank you very much counselors. And I'll see you next Tuesday night. >> Thank you attorney. Next, we have item four 435-25,
payment of prior year bill in the amount of $29.70 um of an Amazon invoice. It was brought to us by the city clerk and um counselors, the city clerk could not make it uh this evening. She had a
family uh commitment tonight, but I did touch base with her uh in person um earlier when I came into city hall around 4:00 and she's just explained to me that this was a bill from June that has not been paid and she's just looking
to pay it. Do you have any questions for me or comments for me, counselors? And I I just looked over the the invoices. it seems like uh typical necessities
for an office setting. So, I will go on a limb to make a motion to send this item um with a favorable recommendation to the full council. Okay. Uh Councelor Marl made the motion. Is there a second?
>> Second. >> Seconded by councelor Luzon. Any further discussion on the m on the matter? Seeing none, all those in favor mad. >> Councelor Wendy Lone.
>> Yes. >> Vice Chair Vivian Mar. >> Yes. >> Council person Javanni Infante. I mean, I'm sorry, Johannes. Infante. Noted. Absent.
Madam Chair, Stephanie Fante. >> Yes. you know, council president. That's actually a beautiful last name to have just >> Oh, yes. I'm sorry. >> It's It's been It's been a date. I know last night we were here until Well, you
until like past 11. So, um thank you, Maria, for that as well and for being here tonight as well. Um, the last item we have is item450-25, fund transfer in the amount of $500,000 from Arper Funds to the Lawrence Food
Resilience Fund and counselors. We just received an email from the senior advisor. I'm going to read this for the record. Um, due to this is from OC Octavian Spanner was sent to us at 6:17
p.m. Due to the reopening of the federal governor government, Mayor Deena is requesting that the emergency resilience resiliency fund agenda item be tabled. This matter should be revisited when Congress and the Senate resume
deliberate deliberations on the federal budget in late January 2026. The mayor has expressed concerns that the city may face additional emergencies during the winter season and wishes to take a conservative approach to spending for
the remainder of the year. Um so with that being said, can I have a motion to table item 450-25? >> Motion say chair discussion. Oh, I mean if >> No, no, go ahead. Well, on my end, let
me remove my motion. Sorry. Thank you. So just for the record, this um amount of money belongs to the federana de and I don't know why uh the
administration is still holding on to a money that was approved by the city council and uh as now the the money has not been given to to this uh organization. So just for the
record, so I don't understand how they're planning to do this, but the money belongs to Federana. >> Thank you, councelor. Yes, I'm >> I'm I'm aware of of the situation and
um I echo your your concerns. Uh for now I mean we can table we can withdraw whatever this >> whatever committee wishes to do.
>> Can we withdraw it? Yes, >> because I'm a little confused myself with this. Um, technically this money has not been transferred. Um, like councelor Lucon mentioned, it has not been so tableabling this item would um
anchor and kind of block these funds from being used what it was intention what it was initially intended for, which is for small businesses. Do we I I remember um the ferasion was in front of
the budget and finance but I don't remember fully the discussion. Do we and we have the capital here with us tonight. Um and I don't know capo if you're here for anything specific I apologize I should have asked earlier but I don't recall as to why this this
funding was not given to to the organization that the council um approved it for. I I was here to um on behalf of Octavian um he asked me to say the email you just
read um but I do not understand I actually don't have the background as to why uh the money was not given to them. That money right now is sitting in the uh project that it was transferred to but I I really don't know what happened
and um I don't have the the detail as to why it wasn't transferred. Okay. Can you um by any chance um provide a lift to the committee? I know we we've we've given small business
grants in the past. I want to see if any of the of the businesses within that federation received um the small business grants in the in the past. So, if you can give that report to the committee, I would greatly appreciate it. And counselors,
if Thank you. and counselors um if either of you remember that discussion because I do remember her being in front of us but again I I don't I don't remember it off the top of my head and I don't have the notes from that meeting or the minutes from that meeting. I would rather table this and invite the
president of the fles and also the administration to hear more about this situation than withdrawing it because if we withdraw it then it's completely out out of the council >> but uh madame chair if I may
I mean what we have the item that we have in front of us is different than the item that it was approved for the federation is totally different. So >> all right, >> what the administration is trying to do
is to transfer uh I think it's a portion of this amount or the entire portion and to use it uh in something else that it was not intent uh by the city council because we voted in favor. So by withdrawing this item
now, >> we're not touching the item. We're not touching the other item because this is a totally different item. If I'm uh correct me if I'm wrong, >> we don't have um let me just double
check. Give me one second. >> Let me just double check this. >> Okay, so we do have we do have the item um tabled under the new business dated December 3rd 20, 2024.
Um, and this is what 5 500 500 thou 500,000. So it's is looking to use for from what we understand it's looking to use 400 400,000 of that. Um, but I don't remember as to
why again why that money was not allocated to the organization that the council approved it for. Um, I would rather just keep everything here and get those answers.
Uh I, Madame Chair, if I may, uh the community development uh director um work with Sarah Perez who she is the CEO of the Federation
and they work together and trying to distribute the funds. my understanding and it was a political reason uh that the feder federation either wanted to comply uh but the money they had meetings with
the intention of distributing the money to the business that belong to. So um but my question again if the item that we have in front of us is different
than the item that we approve in the city council uh I think a year ago or maybe more than that. So, if we withdraw this item now, the administration is not going to be able to touch it
because we still have another item uh the one that was approved um months ago. I don't know if the attorney is there if he can give us a little uh uh >> I don't see
>> information on that. >> No, I don't. Yeah. that this item madam chair is a new item a new business >> right >> yours or not >> so if we withdraw this item is we withdraw this item they not going
to be able to touch in money that doesn't belong to the administration it belongs to >> I'm going to look for a motion to withdraw this item without pres president pre president prejudice um just in case to once we have the answers
um if if it's needed to to be put back on the on the agenda for whatever reason, they'll have that as well to make it fair for all parties. Um, so if I can have that motion, that would be great.
>> A motion to withdraw. >> Yeah, without prejudice. >> Motion to withdraw. Uh, withdraw um without prejudice. Do I have to be specific with the item number or we're all set? Um, you can add it just in case.
>> Okay. Motion to withdraw item number 4550-25 without prejudice. >> Motion made by Council Maral, seconded by Council. Any further discussion on this? Actually, I do I do want to make a
comment. Um because what and I want this and I know this is a recorded meeting. So what I hope does not happen is that the administration takes this and tries to spin it saying that
councelor Infante, Council Luzon and Council Marmal are are are against feeding the community because that's not the case that's happening right now. If that was the case then I I wouldn't have asked for a motion that's fair for all parties. I I wouldn't be asking to bring
parties back in to see what's going on with this with this funding. Um what what what's going on with with the original um reason I mean the the the the original approval from the council when
it comes to these funds. So I just want to say that secondly, yes, the government has opened up again. We will see what happens in the end of January and I'm sure that come January the council will be ready um to take necessary steps but we do have an a
situation without any answers at hand and we do have funding that was pre that was already approved by the city council for something else and we need to get to the bottom of that first before we do anything else with this funding. So I want to make that clear. I want to make
sure that's on the record because the pattern that this administration has is that they like to change the narrative and twist the na the narrative and tell the community lies of what's actually going on. So, I want to make sure to that that I'm making myself clear on that.
All right, counselors. Um, that is it. >> Roll call. >> I'm sorry. Uh, roll call. Madam clerk Wendy Luzon. >> Yes. Vice Chair Vivian Marmal.
>> Yes. >> Council President Gavani Rodriguez noted absent. And Madame Chair Stephanie Fonte. >> Yes. >> Motion pass. >> Thank you. All right. Um, that was the last item under new business. Is there
anything under table matters that you would like to Actually, can I have a motion to send correspondence to the president of the I'm sorry. Can I have a motion to untab item 568-24, transfer of $400,000 from ARPA free cash
pre previously allocated to Hispanic ferasio to small business through the prospering law grant? Um, can I have a motion to unt >> motion to untot?
Is there a second? >> Second. seconded by councelor Ludon. Um, now we're we have it at at the at the committee. Um, can I have a motion to send correspondence to the mayor's office and also to the president of the
Federacio um, specifically to report on what the what the situation was with this funding um, and get a clear understanding, not this back and forth, but a clear understanding as to why this money was
not allocated as appropriately um, as previously approved by the council. So move. >> Second. >> Motion has been made by council Marmo, seconded by council. Discussion.
>> Seeing none, madam clerk, can you please call the role? >> Councelor Wendy Luzon. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Vivian Marl. >> Yes. >> Council President Japani Rodriguez noted absent. Madame Chair Stephanie Fante.
>> Yes. Motion carries. Now I have a a motion to ret item 568-24. >> Motion to table. >> Motion has been tabled by council marmal. Is there a second?
>> Councelor Lone, you can't we can't hear you. You're muted. >> Second. >> Councelor Luzon. Madam um no discussion on table items. Madame clerk, can you please call the vote? >> Councelor Wendy Luzon,
>> yes. >> Vice Chair Vivian Marmal, >> yes. >> Council President Rodriguez, noted absent. >> Madame Chair, Stephanie Infante. >> Yes. >> And motion carries. All right. Can I
have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion has been made by council marble. Is there a second? >> Councelor. >> You're muted. >> Got second. I'm calling Luzon. Um,
madame cler, can you please call the role? >> Councelor Wendy Luzon. >> Yes. Vice Chair Vivian Marble. >> Yes. >> Councelor President Javanni Rodriguez, noted absent. And madame chair Stephanie Fonte. >> Yes.
>> Thank you, >> Carrie. Thank you so much, Council Luzon. I'll see you in a few minutes. >> All right. Enjoy your night, ladies. >> Thank you. >> Night. B.