--------- Five yeses, three motion and the item has been tabled. Point of parliamentary requ. Yes. Would you please advise me as to who seconded the motion for document number 23425? 23425. I believe the motion was
on the record. Councelor Santiago. Council Santiago seconded the motion to table. The underlying motion made by was not councelor. The underlying motion was not table. Council, no. Give me, give me one second.
Excuse me. Counselors. Counselor Santiago, did you second both or just one? I did both. Okay. Councelor Santiago have has say that she actually uh second both of the motions. So there is the underlying motion is
motion to approve. There was a motion to table properly second by councelor Santiago on both both times uh to table. So let's proceed. That is in order. Um item 23625
madame vice president. Item 236-25, the three the reauthorization of Bellevview Cemetery revolving fund account expenditure limits of $95,000 was sent with a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal second discussion.
Motion to table. Uh there is a motion uh on the table properly second by council la. Discussion council plan. I'm I'm a bit of a loss here counselors. I I we we're we are having items over here. We're at the end of the fiscal year.
We're making motions to table, which is I I don't know why we're making motion to table. Each counselor has their own reason for voting the way that it votes, but I don't it's not apparent to me. Um I don't know if this is I I don't know why. I think as a courtesy to be open and transparent, which is what the
council president continues to talk about, we should have a fundamental understanding as to why we're delaying the votes on these things as we're approaching the end of the fiscal year. Right now, I don't think it's fair for this counselor to not know why we're doing these things because we can't discuss it, which is why I was quick to
jump on that second because I wanted to know why we're doing this. Well, Council Lan, your question is around tableabling the matter. No, I can't I can't Well, I'm asking a question as to we we're starting a pattern here. I've noticed it. It doesn't take a It's not difficult
to see that we're making a motion and it's quickly being tabled and it's being tabled by the same individual and seconded by this probably the same a different individual but multiple times. So there's a reason and I like if I respond and then I'll be able to have a discussion
um what do you want me to ask? I would like we tableabling it. I would like to know why we're looking to delay the vote. Well, if it is a table matters, Madame Clerk, is are we allowed to discuss the table matters under
parliamentary procedures? You're allowed to discuss it. You are not allowed to make have a discussion on a motion to table. You are allowed to discuss a table the tableabling of a matter under we've done what item
under Robert's rules of order. on the underlying motion, you are allowed to talk about whether or not you want to table it. When you actually make the motion to table, that's when there's no discussion. We have done that in the past also. When we I mean uh and I and I would disagree that if the council
desired to announce as why they tableabling it, they are entire to do so. But we cannot ask do you want to table and why you want to table. That's not a question that is allowed in the parliamentary procedure. But if you want
to ask and counselors want to response I I I'll ask the question. Council La Plan would like to know why this these item are being table. So who have that answer? Council president
councelor Luzon I mean we haven't have an answer for councelor I or councelor La plant yet. Do we have an answer for councel plant? I I well the the counselor has voted in favor so I'd be curious to know why she's voting. But I mean you cannot ask us a why. I can ask I certainly can ask if they want. I just
cannot I just cannot when the motion's been seconded to go ahead and can have a conversation there. But I have every right to ask a counselor before the motion is is the table why they're doing that before. It hasn't happened yet. Council President ask that question. I am asking council
president. But nobody's going to respond to you unless they want to respond. If we're let's let people speak. Thank you. And they are allowed to speak. Do anybody want to answer? Council president councelon and I understand um your frustration council plan but also
if as a counselor if I don't want to respond why it'sn't our right isn't my right not to give you an explanation. Uh that is my answer council president. All right. Uh any other councilors would like to ask would like to respond to
councelor Plan's question? All right. Thank you. Uh we are on item 23625. A motion to approve. There's a motion to approve. Seconded by council. Seconded by councel de la plan. Uh any other
discussion on this matter on item 23625? We we don't have a motion to table. Once we have a motion to table and then we won't be able to discuss. No not yet not on this item. Are you making a motion?
Said motion to table. It wasn't properly second. Second. All right. There is a motion to council levy. Wait a minute. Councelor Levy, yes, we should call the CO just to let her know, you know, regarding the authorization of the of this phone where it's going to go. All
right. If you have we we still don't have a motion to table yet. If you want to call the C for now. Yes, I would like for the capo to explain regarding that amount of money where it's going to go, what we going to do with that because this is the problem that we are we we are tableing. We don't know what is
going to happen. Good evening, counselors, acting cap Ramona Sabalos. Um I would like to speak on behalf of item 235 year end trans. No, 236. 236 right now. That's the item we have the motion 23 235 has been
table. We can discuss on that. Per state law, we need to do year end transfers otherwise we'll be Yeah, we are not allowed to speak on item 235 because it's been table item 236. Okay. What would you like to know
councelor? Yes, the question is for us right now to authorize the beu cemetery revolving phone account. Where are we going to spend the money? Um, that's a good question. I will need to work with them because that's the
money they use to um whenever they have um activities within the cemetery that is not covered by the general operating fund. They use the uh the revolving fund and that applies to all the revolving funds here. So, if it's not going to be
approved, then we will have to figure out what they're going to do uh come next week. When? Next week. Next week, July 1st. And do you know how this was spending or how much was spended? Did we spend the
$95,000? No, they did not spend $95,000. That's the maximum amount they're allowed to spend. Okay. and they stay within um they've only spent maybe I have the report here as of the time I ran the report they had spent $80,000
by the report they already spent $80,000 for FY25 author ization is for FY2. Yes, I know. I understand. Yes. Okay. Would you be able to send that report to all of the council, please? Um I believe
it was in the in the package that was submitted to you. Um all the revenues and expenses for all the revolving account, but I'll be more than happy to send it again. Yeah, but maybe uh you have a more detail of what we had in here. Um I can send you all the detail
you want. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Yes, please. Motion to table. I second. Council Levy, no. Council plant, no. Council Luzon, absent for this vote. Council del Rosario also absent for this vote.
Council Santiago, yes. Council Amamo, yes. Council Reyes is noted as absent. Council vice president, yes. Council President, yes. The count is four to um
two with three absent. So four President my only my only council president my only point here is that the capo has made mention to us that we need to get these thing done by by the end of this fiscal year which is we're we're less than a week about a week away I think at this point. So I would hope
that my colleagues would be fiscally responsible and vote in favor of this. Thank you. This is on the motion to approve. I'm starting with council Reyes who is noted as absent. Council Mamo, no.
Council Santiago, no. Council del Rosario is also noted as absent. Council Luzon, no. Council plant, yes. Council Levy, yes. Councelor Vice President Infonte, no. Council
President, no. What's the two? Yes. Um, one, two, three, four, five, no. And two absent. Parliamentary council president. Parliamentary question. Parliamentary question. Uh, just because we've just disposed of this of this matter now. We we've taken a position. We didn't table
it. We made a definitive decision that we weren't going to support it tonight. our rules don't allow us to go ahead within the air to go ahead and take another item up. So, um I guess that's that's the concern that I have of going forward on this if we can't What is the prevailing side? The prevailing side is
a no vote. There's five councils with the no vote. So, any of those five council that wanted to reconsider the vote that vote no can reconsider the vote. I'll reconsider my vote. I'll make a motion to reconsider my vote.
Is there a second? Seconded by councelor Levy. Discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor say I. Um, roll call. Madam cler motion to reconsider.
Yes. To reconsider the item. No, this is just to reconsider it. Yes. So, another discussion to continue. Um, council plant, yes. Council Luzon, yes. Councelor Del Rosario again noted as absent. Council Santiago, yes.
Councelor Marmal, yes. Councelor Reyes is again noted as absent. Council Vice President Fonte, I don't know. Oh, I'm sorry. Council President Rodriguez. Yes. Council Vice President. Yes. Sorry, my apologies. Um, what's the the count
total count? Okay. Reconsider passes. Council President. No. Thank you, counselors, to allow me to reconsider my vote. I make a motion to table. Motion has been made to table by the council president. Seconded by council Marmal. No discussion on table
matters. Um, all those in favor say I. I. I roll call vote. Madam clerk, this is on a motion to table the document. I'm going to start with um council Reyes who was noted as absent.
Council Amamo, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Luzon, the table. To table, yes. Council La Plant, yes. Council Levy, yes. Council vice um council president
yes and council vice president yes again now this is seven in favor two absent so what is the seven in favor and two absent motion carries motion carries on table uh motion uh table on item 23625
item 23725 item 237-25 the re reauthorization of council on agent revolving fund accounts expenditure limits of $150,000 was sent out with a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Motion
to table. Second. No, no, wait. Wait. The underlying motion is motion to approve. I can hear a second on that motion first. Second properly second. Discussion. Discussion council plan. Cappo. Can I
ask the cap to please come forward? And that's on item 23725. Understood. Council on a revolving plan. Good evening, Cappo. Um, can you just remind us as to why it's important or is it that we need to
have a final vote on this and why this particular item is important that we have a vote before the end of the fiscal year? 237. Uh, yes, ma'am. I believe uh the director of council on aging um Miss
Martha Veles is online and she will be a good person to hear from when it comes to the reauthorization of the revolving fund. Uh hi everyone. Yeah. Uh thank you uh director
u for being here online. She's online and if counselors if you have any questions on this revolving account. Yeah. The question before us council president is is why it's is it important that we adopt this or vote in favor of it before this fiscal year.
This is money that we use for uh activities that are not covered through the um general budget. So money that's collected is really for programs that go back to the seniors. So hopefully we can pass this so that we can continue to
serve our seniors. All right, counselors. Uh any questions to the director? I have got a question for the cap regarding timing. Um I think we all know where this is going to go. We're going to have a discussion. We all know it's going to be tabled and we're not going to be able to talk about it. We're going to do that
several more times. We know what's going to happen. We've seen the movie. So I think it's important plan. I'm talking about number 237. This is not a movie. It's not a movie, but it's a pretty important vote. All these votes are and
and it's important that we know what we're doing here. And I think it's also important for colleagues to know why so we understand what what's going on. Maybe there's a compelling argument that we need to delay this, but it hasn't been made yet why there's a compelling argument. I haven't heard it but because
I can't we can't make it anyway. Why is it important that we that we have to pass this before the end of the fiscal year? Sure. So each department has an allowed amount during their budget for operational budget but most of these uh appropriations or authorization for
evolving funds allow the department to actually receive money for activities such as the senior center, recreation. Uh I mean recreation is a great one. We're having uh the youth recreation. It's Jul um in July. So without
revolving fund, I'm not sure how they're going to manage the uh the recreation for the summer. So all these uh revolving funds will not be able to be operating come next week. Thank you. And I think the the fundamental point and I'm not going to
speak about many of these others is that what we're seeing here I think cappo is what we're going to do tonight is that there is a there's an anticipation there's going to be another meeting sometime between now and the 30th. Uh if not there'll be a special meeting called I'm going to presume. I cannot imagine
that my colleagues here are not going to allow this to go forward or any of the others to go forward. I can't I mean there's something else going on. I don't know what it is because no one's articulating it, but I find it really hard to believe that nobody wants to see these programs go forward. I don't think
that's happening. So, um, but I just I I just really wish, cappo that I that I could know what the argument was why we should not be voting in favor of it tonight. That's what I wish. But I I just don't know what that is. Thank you.
Any other discussion? Any other discussion, counselors? Any other discussion on item 23725? All right. No more discussion. What is the underlying motion? Uh an underlying motion to approve
second. Right. There is an underlying motion for to approve. At this time, I'll call the questions. All those in favor, please say I. No. I. Madame Clair, please call the role.
This is on the motion to approve. Um, there's no motion to table. There's no motion to table. I would like to change my motion to table. Second. Is that an order? Motion. You don't change. No, no, wait. Um, you already made a motion to approve. To approve. So, if
you withdraw your motion to approve and then it will be an order. I would like to. But I mean you have to you have to tell me what you want. I would like to withdraw my motion to approve and uh motion to table item 237-25. Second. All right. The motion is in
order. Um motion to table been properly second by councelor Marmo of parliamentary query councelor Leland. You you have a question. What is the underlying motion if we're making a motion to table? The underlying motion is motion to table. She withdraw her motion. But usually there's an underlying motion to anything. There's a
motion to approve, motion to disapprove, motion to something, and then someone makes a motion to table. At that point, I'm trying to figure out what's the underlying motion. The underlying motion is a motion. A motion at in this case is motion to table. Am I right, madame clerk? There
will be no underlying motion. So when it comes off the table, you will start fresh with nothing. No underlying motion. You will not have a motion to approve before you you'll make a motion at that time. What councel as president did she u put a motion a motion to to
approve then withdraw her motion it is within right to withdraw her motion and then at that point she also make a motion to um motion to table and that's in order u any other parliamentary procedure
question I hear none madame cl call the motion to to table. This is on a motion to table. Councelor Levy, no. Council Lant, no. Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council
Santiago, yes. Council Marmmo, yes. Council Reyes is noted as absent. Council Vice President Infante, yes. Council President, vote, yes. What's the count? One, two, three, five in favor. Uh, two nos and two absent. All right,
the motion carries. Item 23825. Madame Vice President Infante. Uh, that one need an an amount. Mr. Cafo, do you have an amount for item 238 25? That's the recreation. It does not have a limit amount. It just have a limit
amount as to the amount it can be transferred to the following year, which is 10 $10,000. $10,000. Mhm. So basically, this one work a little different. Yes, it's a different statue with a mass general law. Okay. So it's 10,000 the max to carry forward but it
doesn't have a limit as to how much can come in how much they need to spend and so forth. All right. Um there's a motion. Uh the can madame vice chair can you present us with a report? Item 238-24 reauthorization of the
recreation and park self-supporting service revolving fund account was sent up as a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Second. All right. There's a motion on the table and there's a motion in front of us.
Properly second discussion. I hear none. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any names? Madam, the motion is to approve. Motion is to approve and we call we call in the
question. Um, all those in for BCI. No. Madame Clair, please call the RO. Council President. Calling the role. So, let's wait. This is a motion to approve. Council Reed as absent. Council M. No.
Council Santiago. No. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Luzon. No. Council plant. Uh, yes. Council Levy, yes. Council vice president, no.
And council president, I vote no. Fails. Uh, two yes. Two. Two yes. Voting in favor of the item. So, it fails. Um, one, two, three, four, five. Voting no. Two are absent. Motion to table. Uh, no, it's not motion to table on this because it's already
denied. I would like to reconider my vote on item 2825. County. Uh the tally vote was uh 522 absent. 522. 52. It it failed. It failed. Two people
voted yes to approve the item. Five people voted no. So the item failed and two people are absent. So So on the pre side, I can reconsider my vote. Second. I would like to make a motion to reconsider my vote on item 23825. Motion
has been made by the council president. Is there a second? Second. Seconded by councelor Santiago. Discussion. Councelor Lan. Thank you. So, I think we all know what's going on here.
And if we don't if if this vote fails, the council president doesn't want to see it fail. He wants to be able to table it. We've gone through this once before. We've seen this before, and I expect that to happen again.
Um, I just it just u stuns me that we're using this parliamentary process for a purpose unknown that's not been divulged. No one has spoken about it. But apparently there are some people who
have been who have who believe that this is so important that we not vote on it tonight for reasons that are not divulged in a public place where we're supposed to be doing the people's business. We're supposed to be talking about the reasons
and have discussions and we're supposed to be having we're supposed to whether it's pro or against we should be having these kinds of discussions. But tonight we're not. Tonight we're just going to be tableabling if something doesn't happen
because there's something else there. And I don't think I don't think that's what we're here for. I don't think we got elected to do this. If you want to table it, we have every right to do it. There's no
questioning of the ability. And the power of the majority is very real. And it's been proven this evening. That's the way it is. But what really causes me consternation is not knowing whether it's this or other matters, maybe a half a billion dollar matter
that we didn't deal with tonight and there was been no discussion. I just think it's important that if we're going to have a debate and we do talk about this transparency thing, it's not a catchphrase. It's real. Why are we doing this? What's the purpose? I don't
know what is going I it is unclear to me. the rational. Maybe I will join you. If I knew what the problem was. If if you said to me the reasons why I'm not doing this tonight is because of whatever it is, I could say, "Amen. I concur. I'm not afraid to I'm not afraid
to change my vote. I've done it. I done it last week. I can do it again if there's a compelling reason. But right now, what's what's what I'm struggling with is that everybody seems to know or I guess what this is. there's a and I and I don't
know what that is and I just think it's important that we that we just be more forthcoming because right now I don't believe that we are. Thank you. Counselors, any other questions or comments? Seeing none, we now have a motion to rec
reconsider our vote. Um all those in favor say I. I. I. Any nays? The eyes have it. I'll make a motion to table. There's a motion to table item 238-24,
seconded by councelor Santiago. All those in favor say I. I. I. Uh, roll call. Madam clerk. This is on the motion to table. I'm going to start with council Levy. No.
Council plant. No. Councelor Luzison. Yes. Councelor Del Rosario is noted as absent. Councelor Santiago, yes. Councelor Marmal, yes. Councelor Reyes is noted as absent. Council vice um excuse me, Council President, vote yes.
Council vice president, yes. So the motion carries, five voting yes, two voting no and two absent. Motion carries. Now we are calling it 23925. Madame Vice President Infant and the chair of the bon finance committee. Item
239-25, the reauthorization of Veterans Memorial Stadium revolving fund account expenditure limits in the amount of $100,000 was sent up to the full council with a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Motion to
table. Uh before we table the motion the motion needs to be second. It's been uh need to be second and then we can have an underlying motion. What? Anybody would like to second a motion to approve. There's a motion to approve properly second by councelor
Santiago. Discussion on the motion to approve. Uh I hear no discussion on the motion to approve. U now it is in in order to motion to motion to table. I'm sorry. Recognize the motion to table. Sorry. Properly
second. No discussion on the table matter. It's been second by councelor uh Infante. Uh madame clair, please call the role on the motion to table. This is on the motion to table. I've got um council Reyes noted as absent.
Council Mamo is yes. Motion to table. Council Santiago. Yes. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Councelor Luzon on motion to table. Yes. Council plant.
No. Council Levy. No. Council Vice President Infonte. Yes. Council President on the motion to table. Uh yes on the table. Motion carries. Uh item 24025. Uh madame vice president and the chair
of the finance committee. Item 240-25, the reauthorization of library programs ref revolving fund accounts expenditure limits in the amount of $50,000 was sent up to the full council with a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Second. There's a motion
on the table to 2425. Discussion discussion move the question. Council President um discussion on this item there is no discussion question please.
Can I make a motion to table council president? There is a motion to table second please call the role on the motion to table. This is on a motion to table. Councelor Levy no. Council plant. No. Council
Luzon. Yes. Councelor Del Rosario is noted as absent. Councelor Santiago, yes. Councelor Marmal, yes. Councelor Reyes is noted as absent. Council Vice President Infante, yes. Council President Rodriguez.
I vote yes. Again, five in favor, two absent, two nos. Council president, we have a one of our colleagues trying to get online is having difficulty. council, is there anything that you can help? Is that I
have no idea. She's sending us a thing that her zoom is not working. So I seen L that just went in LPM L. So I really don't know if any is that because I have seen everybody here that I recognize but
I mean I don't see I will resend her the link for the meeting. Uh LPL can you have that's the name of that LPL. Can you please say something so we can uh
I don't think that's her. That's not her. That's not her. That's the only person that's seen that is trying to get. No, she's not able to lose. I'm going to send it to her right this a second. I think this will help her. So, Madame Clair, what is the motion if there is any? Did we call the
the 241 yet? We didn't get there. We're not there yet. We're there now. I was just because I actually called. Okay. She said yes. She's using her phone. I'm sorry, Council President.
Oh, okay. Uh, can you communicate with us, please? Uh, counselor very quick to see if we can hear you because we need to call the roll call for you all the time. And can you please just for that? Uh, can you please change the name from
L LPL to your name? muted. I don't think that's her. I don't think she's not logging in at all. Like her texts are saying I'm not able to log in. So I just It is me. I'm so sorry.
Who's this? This is the Janel Abrao, the director of Lawrence Public Library. Lawrence Public Library. Got it. Yes. Thank my apologies, guys. I'm actually connecting right now, picking up my son from soccer. My apologies.
All right. So, do you have any notification from the uh from the from the the revolving account? I resent her the codes and just said, "As her, please try again now." I'm sorry. What was that? Eileen,
director, I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Um Janelle then not talking to you at this time. We we're gonna u we're going to proceed u and then we we're going to recognize council to get in item 24125.
Madame Vice President and the chair of the of the finance committee item 23 241 Madame Vice President Infante item 241-25 the reauthorization of the PEG access and cable related funds revolving fund account appropriation in the amount of
four $450,000 was sent up with a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion second. There's a motion uh to approve properly second discussion on this matter. Uh, Madame Clair, please recognize or call the role for councelor Rees. Motion to table council president. Uh, I'll recognize it
in a once u I'll recognize the motion in a second. Thank you. Uh, madame cler, please call the role for councel Reyes. Councel Reyes. Uh, any discussion on this item? Um, councel, I'll recognize your motion. What is your motion? Motion to table.
Second. There's a motion to table properly second by councelor Mamo. Um all those in favor please say I on the motion to table. Um madame cla please call the role. This is on a motion to table. I'm going
to start with you councel Reyes. I don't know if she council can you hear us? Maybe she can you she may be muted. Can you type your vote? She's muted. Yes, you are muted. Hel's
coming. Hi, councelor. Uh I I not hear the the motion. The motion first, please call the role for council. I did and she said she Okay. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Now the motion is to table item
24125 which is the authorization of the of PE assets cable related uh funds revolving funds accounts appropriation for the amount of $450,000. The motion is to table
no the motion uh but councelor vote no no to table. Okay. Thank you, councelor. Councelor Marmmo, yes. Council Santiago, yes. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Councelor Luzon, yes. Council
plant, no. Council Levy, no. Council Vice President Infante, yes. Council President Rodriguez, vote yes on the motion to table. Item 2425. Madame Vice President and the chair of the b and finance committee.
Item 242-25, the reauthorization of DPW recycling revolving fund account expenditure limit in the amount of $150,000 was sent up as a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Second discussion is the
motion has been properly second by councelor. Discussion councel plan. So I just so I'm clear this came out of the committee by what vote? The out of the committee by vote. What was the vote when it came out of committee?
The committee voted in favor. Well, what was the vote out of committee? Part: 2
If you allow me to speak, I will tell you how I voted. I I'm asking. It's not a yes or no question. Right. I've asked you I asked how did you vote? You can answer however you want. And and I I voted uh at that moment to approve to send it
to the full council with a favor recommendation for and then that's the motion that council vice president has made and that's the motion that we are discussing at this point and that's fantastic. That's exactly what I'm standing on. So, what happened between the time that you voted for not just you, but whoever was on the committee,
but from the time that you had the vote at the at the budget committee to tonight that is now either we were either voting against something or we're voting or to table it. What was missing that we why did why did it get to this point where
it's a three nothing vote? Fable recommendation unanimous. And what's changed? And what has changed? We we don't have another motion to be able to discuss it. You asking me for the future vote on how we're going to vote. Council President, I I I think if we That's something that I can I can sustain if we
have all if we have eyes to see. Council President, I I'm not this we know what's happening. We know what's going to happen. There is a pattern here. We're for those who are denying the pattern are putting their heads in the sand. It's very clear. So the question is for
whoever is willing to answer the question, there's a three nothing vote for those three members who voted in favor of it. I would like to know so I can vote properly this evening. Why did you vote in favor of it so I can know that? And then why are you changing potentially? You don't need any more
time. Why? So I can maybe vote in favor of a motion to table. I like to do that. Why? Well, if you're asking me on how you vote, you never ask me how you vote. You vote your conscious. You know sometimes council president that we do vote our conscious but we
vote on principle and on the basis and we just sometimes we justify our votes when when any constituent ask you how did you vote on something to any one of us we say we voted on this because of this orc whatever the reasons are I'm just curious as to what that means. So if you if your constituents ask you I
voted one way or another you're going to you're going to you have to respond based on how you voted. You cannot just say I bought it because the council voted in favor at the subcommittee level. It's not that's not the right answer. I think I I get it, Council
President. So, just so I'm clear, there's not going to be a response to my question. No, I I say that I I voted favorably to send it to the full council. I get it. I get it. I'm I get and I'm not saying that I'm not going I'm not going to vote favorably. I'm just saying that was the vote at that
point. Now we discuss in the vote and if another motion come up before I make my decisions I will I'll I can consider that motion. It is within our right to consider any motion.
Thank you. All right. Uh can uh at this time counselors the vote what is the underlying motion? Councelor I mean Mana clerk. At this time, we have an underlying motion to approve made by council Fonte, seconded by council Luzon. Any discussion on the approval?
Motion to table. There is a motion to table by councelor Santiago properly. Second by councelor Marmo. Uh was not. No, it's okay. Yeah. Um no discussion on the table matters. All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Uh
Madame Keg, please call the role for counselor for all the counselors. This is on the motion to table the document. Council Levy, no. Council Lant, no. Council Luzon, yes. Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Santiago,
yes. Council Mamo, yes. Councelor Selena Reyes, no. Council Vice President Infante, yes. Council President Rodriguez, I vote yes. What's the count? The count is five in favor um three
opposing and one absent. Uh motion carries. Uh item has been tabled. Item 24325. Madame vice president and the chair of the Van Finance Committee. Item 243-25, the transfer of funds in the amount of
6,137,2126 126 from free cash to various accounts was set up um from from the committee as a favorable recommendation and I make that as a formal motion. Second. My mic is off. There's a motion in front of us
properly. Second discussion on this matter. Miss Kaf. Yes. Um I just want to remind the importance of uh any free cash transfer that's being presented to you tonight. Um free cash ends on June 30th. After that, we'll probably have to
wait till November until it's certified by the Department of Revenue. So any item here, specifically snow and ice deficits, if we don't clear it up, we're going to have to add it to the tax recap, which means we're going to raise more taxes. And I'm sure you don't want to do that. President, so hold on one
second. So you're saying that um if we don't clean up the DP the uh snow and ice deficit, we will need to add it to the tax recap, which means we will have to raise more taxes. Um you are that's an statement that it sounds like oh if
we don't do that and then I'm just I'm just letting you know. No no no no no what you what you're saying we have we have to you say we have to add right you can do whatever you decide whatever and then uh but it would be fair for me to give you all the answers. In this case free cash ends this week after that we
can't use any free cash. We understand we understand that. Okay. Thank you for the information. Even though and uh and or you you have to it's not like it's going to just go. Taxes get increased by the vote of the council if it is a supplementary budget. We understand that this is the only deficit that is allowed
by law to be included in the tax recap if it's not clear out by the end of the year. Yep. Understand. So you know um and that's specifically for the snow and ice. How what was the what's the amount on the snow and ice? The snow is 1,665848.
So the 1.6 million out of the six millions that you have in front of us, right? That's correct. Correct. No problem. Um All right. U counselor L. Give me one minute. Madame Cler, can you repeat the the motion that we have the underlying motion? Right now there is a motion to
approve document 2 43-25 which is the full 6 million. Okay. It was it was second by seconded by councelon. Okay. The underlying motion is to approve. Okay. No problem. Councelor Luzon, can I ask to uh remind us how much we
have left and free cash just for the record? Yes. So before any of these transfers that are before presented before you um our balance is 14 million 945541. So that does not include the year end
transfers and the uh free cash transfers that we just talked about in item 243. So there's two things before you that will use some of the free cash and those are items 235 and 243 and the year end transfers has a portion
of that and then the uh the transfer from free cash to various reserve funds and also the um snow and ice deficit. What will be the balance after if this council approves? What will be the balance on free cash? The balance would
be 7,684,644. [Music] And for the record, this administration started with how much money in free cash? $45 million, you said. No, in how much? FY25
the certified uh free cash per do is 15 million737541 there's only one charge against this uh free cash and it's the transfer done by the fire department for 792,000 the item the other item before you guys uh you counselors it's the item by the police
department which was tabled today now just for the record I might keep thinking about 45 millions too many numbers go on because you're probably referring to the original amount when they started in 2021. That's what you're asking. Thank you, council president. Yes. So when they started they had $45
million in free cash. Is that accurate? So last year's free cash certified was 40. No, Miss Cafo when they started when when the administration began uh back in 2021, November and then January 2022. That's
what she's when she's asking. Thank you council. I mean uh that was that uh the the I think you mentioned it cful in one of the meetings. So the certification as of July 1st 2022nd 2022 was 42,980,42. Okay, that's what she's referring to. So
people that are watching please do the math. Council President, I would like to make a motion to table. Second. Um councelor motion to table. There's a motion to table. Huh?
Uh, councelon, do you mind uh withdraw a motion to table and allow council plan to speak if you allow? If you if you don't and then we proceed. No, council president. I'm not going to uh I'll call the questions. All those in favor, please say I. Madam Clair, please call the
role. A motion to table. I have it made by councelor and seconded by councelor. Um, I'm going to start with you, councelor Reyes. No. No. On the motion table, councelor. Yes. On the motion to table. Councelor
Santiago. Yes. Yes. On the motion to table. Councelor Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Luzon. Yes. Yes. On the motion to table. Council La Plant. No. No. Thank you, sir. Council Levy,
no. No. Council Vice President Infante. Yes. and council president Rodriguez. Vote yes. Pass the count. Um five in favor. Uh three objecting and one absent. All right. Motion u motion carries on the table. Now we going to
the housing committee. Um madame b madame chair uh marmal. Uh please go with item 1725. Um item 17225, grant of utility easement to Eversource
Gas Company for the installation of utility infrastructure at 1-9 Hoffman Street, also known as 207 Marston Street. Um just for point of clarification, I was advised that this was tabled. Um Miss Pasqual, would you
happen to know if that is the case? Okay. So, this was I was advised that this was already tabled at at the subcommittee uh meeting level. So, I'm just going to move forward through you, council president. I'm Yes.
Okay. So, for cl for clarity 172-25 I was advised that this was tabled at the subcommittee level. Um, so I'm just going to proceed with the second item on the agenda. 17225. Oh.
It was okay. Okay. Um, so I I submit that. Okay. So, let me just read this again. Item 17225, grant of utility easement to Eversource Gas Company for the installation of utility infrastructure at 1-9 Hoffman Street, also known as 207 Marsden
Street. Uh this was uh voted with a favorable recommendation to full counsel and I submit that to you in the form of a motion. However, I do not see um Mr. McCarthy here before us for purpose of
discussions. question. Hi. I'm sorry. Yeah. Thank you. Um, this is on a motion to approve. I had it made by council and I apologize. This motion was seconded by council. Thank you, councelor. Council
Levy, motion to approve. Yes. Council La Plant, yes. Council Luzon, it's a motion to approve document 172. Um, Council Del Rosario is noted as absent. Council Santiago, yes. Council
Mamo, yes. Councelor Reyes. Yes. Council Vice President Infante. Yes. And council president Rodriguez. I vote yes. What's the count? Um 88 81. 81. Item uh
two motion carries. Item 20825. Item 20825, declaration of surplus property of 266-272 Jackson Street, map 111, lot 1 through the Home Equity Theft Act. Um, this was
voted with a favorable recommendation to be submitted to full council. I submit that in the form of a motion. Second, what's the address? The address is um, it's been properly second by councelor Santiago. The address is 266 272 Jackson.
Um discussion discussion uh attorney have a potentially some something to add. Do you want to ask before? I was going to set him up for the conversation. So Mr. Attorney the reason do you know why you're here? Yes. Okay.
Um this is one of the properties that we are now under subject as as you may or may not remember. Um there was a new law called home equity theft uh passed which gave very strict guidelines for cities and towns regarding properties that they
take by tax title and um unfortunately the other day there were multiple properties which were tabled. Uh unfortunately I was not feeling well that night. I couldn't come in here and explain to you the importance that these timets need to be met. Um, we only have
a limited amount of time to decide what we're going to do with the properties. We first have to decide whether we're keeping the properties or we are selling the properties. In this case, it was decided that this property would be sold. So, at this point, we have to declare it surplus. Once it's declared surplus, we have to immediately get it
appraised. We have to after we had it appraised, we then have to uh list it and get it out there. The reason don't is we already have a lawsuit against the city regarding properties in in particular the 10 condo units that
were here last week. One of them has already been included in the in the suit. What it is, for lack of better things, is lawyers looking to make money because they realize that you don't follow the proper procedure. I mean, the law itself is very equitable. I understand why it is. What would happen
is someone would owe $100,000 in taxes on their house. The city would take the sell it for 500,000 and keep the extra 400. That can't happen anymore. What has to happen now is if if you have $100,000 in taxes owed, which which by the way,
that's only an example. This is an example. Yes. That way we clear. Yeah. And the property sold for $500,000. Again, we would have to return that money, but we'd have to prove first of all that we got full and accurate uh money for the property. Um in this
particular property, this is a property that was taken for taxes. Uh there's a large amount of taxes on this property. So hopefully this won't be included in lawsuit, but it's before you to declare surplus because we need to meet these timets. All right. And and this is the property that is at the lot that is at
the corner of Jackson. Can you just cl give us some clarity and that way everybody locate and stuff? Um no, just the corner. This is the property that's in the corner of GM and the Berkeley
Jackson Street. Berkeley and Jackson that empty lot that is on the sides on one corner. Everybody knows what it is. Yes. Okay. It's easy that way because I mean we kind of like locate our stuff. I wish there was a audio we could show you. Yeah, I look at it online. That's
why I knew. Uh, council maro. Um I believe um other items were um tabled and we took matters on the ones that there was like an emergency to move forward with. But there were questions
in regards to um what was the process of selecting um the realtor or is it someone that we're going to go through an RFP process for each individual property or are we retaining
someone to oversee all these properties? um obviously not alto together but are we just retaining one broker or realtor to oversee all properties? So the problem was that in the beginning we were up against the fence so we had no
time for so we just did one property at a time we chose because of the amount we were able to choose one realtor we choose one appraiser we choose it but that's not the way we want to do it the way the properly is we put an RFP out for any and all properties and they get someone to bid on this and put an RFP up
for all these properties. That's the way going forward going forward. So, normally would be an RFP process regardless of the the price of or the value of the land. Exactly. It would be very specific though. We would only get for instance um commercial real estate
um appraisers and commercial real estate brokers for commercial property and we would get residential real estate appraisers and resident. So, it's really what the use of the property is first determines which one we're going to get. Um, are you able to reveal who's the current realtor that we will be working
with in regards to when one has not been see everything happens on a it hasn't been declared surplus. We can't list it with the realtor until it's surplus. Everything backs up to each other. So, um, Tony was just asking if we have a
list of realtors or if we have a realtor that is potentially lease this property. Correct. Correct. because you said we're not going through an RFP process for this one because of uh the time limitations. At this moment, we do not have a I do not believe. No, there is no realtor at this point.
Being that there won't be an RFP process, what will be the process? Oh, there will be. Okay. So, under the home equity act, they're very specific with how they want us to handle these. There has to be a realtor and there has to be an appraiser.
for one as opposed to something for all. So in this case, are you doing an RFP? Yes, we are preparing an RFP after the declaration of surplus item. And what is going to be the purpose of the RFP? The point person for the RFP? No, no, no. The the purpose of the uh uh of that
RFP. What is going to be? is going to be for the uh development uh uh housing or park or so under the and I'm glad you asked under the home equity death act and I brought together the um PowerPoint that I shared with you guys and that shared with you guys on multiple
occasions to educate you guys on this um home equity death act. So, municipalities that elect to sell property will be required to list the property for sale within 180 days of the final judgment, which has already happened. If the property does not sell
with within 12 months of the listing, the municipality will have to auction the property. The municipality cannot accept auction bids for less than 2/3 of the appraised property value, which is why we're using the appraiser. We want to make sure it's done correctly.
Um the sale the sale price will be used to determine the amount of excess equity if any um and must be sent by notice to any um interested parties within 30 days of the sale. Excess equity will be paid to all parties to avoid uh who make a valid
claim within 18 months of receiving notice of sale price. cost incurred by the municipality from the sale will be deducted for the excess from the excess property and we don't have to do this yet that should that's
the requirement so we have to do an RFP um and we have to get a realtor and we have to get an appraiser versus now we use just me right I do this process with the legal and we do this all in house now it's being asked of us to do an RFP
for a real yes Um, so just to make sure I understood, um, attorney, did you say that going forward, obviously we're going to do an RFP now to get, uh, a realtor to handle this specific property, but did you state that going
forward, um, the vision is to have one realtor to oversee all of them? Yes. Get or get a list, put it out there and get a list of people that we can use. Okay. So, let me let me So, we don't have to each time go out. we just we can say
this person has been approved. This person has been approved. We can now list the property with them. So essentially part of this this program also came together with the receiverhip program from the court. Uh so the court
used to have or have a a number of receivers on their specific qualifications to be able to participate on the program. So, I'm assuming that the city will have a a a list of uh realtors that are qualified on the the
statue or on their uh the policies we have in the city of Lawrence. So, they can uh they can take turns perhaps one is this person did this property and then the next person will do next and so forth so on. That's the intent or that's not Yeah, the intent we're we're not
looking to specify anybody. We're not we we we haven't put it out yet. So we need to see who who responds to it. But yes, we want to see who who is going to be the real what are the prices they want to charge, what are the qualifications, you know, who are they. I um
I had asked um our purchasing department asked also the same question because I wanted to get the the best um the best response and the response from that department was we have to be um very cautious of how much this will cost us. It'll cost us more individually or more
to do this as a group as far as payment towards any specific realtor? Like would it cost us more to bid with every with a different realtor every time or will it be more economic and more um sustainable for us? Will we be able to afford to do
a realtor every single process or will we be able to group them? We haven't really made a final decision on that. I think that the attorney well and and a way that the realtor work is that they get a percentage of the sale, right? So, it will be the same amount. City is not spending money, but it also has to be
reasonable. Again, this is going to be if someone would bring suit, it's my house you took and I say, "Oh, you used Tim Hooton realized this 25%." Um, that's not going to be No, no, no. Because the the the realy war is like
you set up the percentage and then whoever applies on the RP knows that that's the percentage. The percentage of the property is like anywhere between this percentage and this percentage. The city will say we'll pay this percentage of the property sale. Correct. That's
what it is. And then realtors that allow that wanted to do the work for a percentage and then they will they will bid on it. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest here. 99% of these properties nobody's going to make a lot
of money on. I We're talking $5,000 values, $7,000 values. You know, there's it's the exact opposite of what you're think. I don't think there's a lot of realtors out here dying to get this business. I think this is more annoying because you're selling small unbuildable lots or you're smelling smelling
whatever. I mean, this one happens to be worth $150,000. So, but even even in today's market that's not much that's that's that's you know council president does the home equity act not give you
some sort of guideline in terms of when it comes to this portion of when it comes to selling the properties it gives us date lines it doesn't give us guidelines it tells us you must do this by this date that's what it says
Council Lan Council Lan. Uh, thank you, Council President. Um, and I know that, um, you've been trying to have a meeting with me. Uh, and
we haven't had the opportunity to sit down. But this property is in district B. I think it for the benefit of my constituents and myself,
I would like to get a notice uh before sending this to or at least when it was going to be in front of of the housing uh committee.
And my other question is uh that was a comment. My question is yeah no it's okay. Uh uh my understanding that is that you have to offer this property to whoever is the author the person next to it. We are not
we don't we don't have you don't have to by law. No, no, we some prop some properties just because of their nature are so small and unbuildable that realistically the only people that want them would be a butters like that you
couldn't do anything a third party coming let's say the lot is as big as half here uh you can't park cars on it you can't do anything in so we offer those and they're of minimal value we offer them out of a courtesy to because we figure that's who is going to buy them the next door neighbors but we
don't have to offer offer them to anybody. We we could put them out for bid and our our object really is to get the highest amount of money for the city. But that not that that doesn't happen often, attorney. So let's be serious here because most of these
properties aren't worth anything. That's why but that it's a if I'm correct that is a parking lot. That is the parking lot right across from the pieces store. Am I correct? It's on the corner.
It's it you you are correct and wrong at the same time. Go ahead. Stop. Uh it is an abandoned lot that people are parking on. It shouldn't be a parking lot. It's not a parking lot. It's not designated as a parking lot. But right now, much with many lots in this city, if you have
an empty lot, blink and you'll have somebody storing cars, trucks, mobile homes, anything on it. So, attorney, that's why we're trying to get it some use out of it. Get some tax money. Attorney with all due respect that you don't live in Lawrence. I You don't live in Lawrence. You don't. I do not. No.
Okay. So, you don't know what we are facing right now with parking. I No, I understand. Especially in my district. It's horrible. All I All I can talk is from personal experience that I keep getting calls from the mayor's office
saying, "Have we rented out this lot or are we doing anything with this lot?" and then and we look and there's 20 cars on it. Again, I I'm I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying that that's that's a problem all of a sudden. I do want Well, in my district, it's really bad and it's going to get worse with the
new two schools. And you need to like uh try to park your car after 6:00 p.m. in Jackson Street on Jackson Street. especially near that area with this parking that you don't want to call parking but it's being used as a parking
by the neighbors. I think that it's important to at least um speak to the district uh council uh and find out what's the need in the neighborhood. We
are building a new school without parking without parking. Maybe four blocks down or maybe a little bit more but it's going to impact the entire district. So people that live
You don't live in Lawrence and I I No, I'm trying to I want to mention the street, but he's not going to know which one I'm talking. No, he knows. He knows. He have a lot of calls. You know where Bruce Street is? Which street? Bruce Bruce Street.
Okay, you're right then. But it's nothing wrong. We're not living around here. What I'm trying to explain to you, attorney, is that the people that are that are living there that they used to park in that area are parking three or four blocks away. So, some of them are
parking on Jackson Street with the street where you planning to sell this property. So what I'm trying to say here is that we need parking. Believe me, we need parking and just so you are understand and the city I don't make any
of those determinations. That's her department. She discovers about that. I only get it when there's legal. Let me bring some clarity here within the law that is also established that another option another options that we have and
at this point we're not choosing that is to keep the property. Correct. Thank you. That that if we decide to keep the property for the purpose of parking that's an option that we're not exploring. Correct. But but we did send out a notice to to every department in
the city and including I guess including the city council saying here is this property. Um do does the city have any interest in it? Because obviously as you say if the city has interest in it if this if this lot were right beside a school I don't think we would have this conversation. I think the city would say
yes we have an interest in it. Yes we need parking for the schools. No, what what councelor Lon is saying, always off it to the city first before we go. Well, councelor Loni said that the that the domino effect of that uh the ley school
being built at around there maybe eight 10 blocks from there is going to reflect the parking lot or the lot that if become a parking lot is going to be a release to people around there or people you know a little far from there if it
is a public uh parking lot being built by the city. That's what that's what I respect opinion. I I understand perfectly what you say again if the city have decide if the city decide to keep the the lot. Yes. It is a potential to
develop a parking lot there. It it would be yes it will be but and that's so if the council decide not to vote for to declare a surplus and then the city will look into something else. I think and and thank you council president. Uh, I think that what's happening in in this
what's going to happen in district B due to the new school is going to be chaos. That's the only way to define it. They need 900 parking spaces that we don't have. All most of the residents
are asking for resident uh parking and unfortunately we have provided some of them we but they also getting organized because they don't find a space to park their car and this is also h a they um
bringing other issues. People are fighting for a parking space and it it it might be a great way to make some money if one of them wants to buy the lot creates a parking space and rents. Maybe it's a way for the city to make some money. Attorney
not my decision. Uh I Yeah. So, just to clarify the comment that um councelor Lone made earlier about we should let you guys know what's going on and we should keep you in the loop. I I have tried my best since I've been here to um have a clear open up
line of communication. I have offered for all of you guys to come into my office. Some have come, some for, you know, scheduling reasons haven't been able to go. I know it's not that you don't want to. I know it's just scheduling. Um and I'm I'm open to having that line of communication with you guys. I also want the best interest for a city where I was born and raised
in. and I hear the cry. Um, and I understand what's going on. Um, we still do need to declare the property surplus though, which is what what we're here. Um, right. Right.
Yeah. And so in in reference to the home equity defects, I sent Reena's out to all the department heads, including yourself, counselor um council president. Um which at that point you decided that you didn't see any um foreseeable use in well
if it's if if it's in your Well, that's the that's the point. You have to have the in your budget to be able to develop that moving forward. So if you say as a council is what I'm saying is if the city have a news for it which potentially if the city is have the intent to develop a parking lot and then
that that option should be explored because right now if you ask the city clerk do you need that lot she might tell you no if you ask the city council we we're not there to be able to develop something or park there but if if
potentially if you ask a8 a a a whoever is in charge to develop those parking lot because we have one on on uh on that we developed close to the Gilmet school for the need of the school. What I can and on this it could be a potential use as well. We don't
know. I don't know. I just saying and I think that that's something that we can consider as a as a department when we're receiving these applications. What is the real need? Can we you know um consider an application that's for parking versus a application that's for a three family home there? Those are
things that we can discuss and I will bring that back to the table to discuss with my department when we do speak is addressing the top three things that we have which is parking and housing and um other things that we have. But those two in particular
well because it's home equity theft and the time constraint is really kind of a rush to make sure that we um line up with the dates that were given to us. And the other thing that should be noted again I'm just going to give you fake numbers. Let's assume this property is worth $150,000
and we took it for 40,000 taxes. Whichever department decide they wants it has to come up with $110,000. This is not free. Sure. It has to be the fair market value. The city has to pay fair market value. Someone else has to. That's the
purpose of the home equity so that the city doesn't steal these properties. Again, I'm not casting his version. That's to protect the homeowner. It's we don't get it for free. We pay the same price as the people on the street pay. So if if the city So if you ask the DPW
if they want it, they say yes. Well, DPW, do you have the $110,000, which is the difference between the U taxes we're taking it for and what it's worth. They might say, "Oh, now I don't want it." But again, nothing is free. I just want to That's the only point I want to make.
Nothing is free. Council President and and and I I understand your where you're coming from, attorney. I do. But we never hear any proposal on on parking. We complain about parking. We
had meetings to talk to the constituents about parking, but we never offer them any other choice, unfortunately. So, I'm concerned you're going to sell that or you're
going to declare that maybe you're going to sell it for for a house. Uh, is that the intention? No, we never we know. It's whoever's going to Again, we have to get the most money. Who owns uh if maybe you have this information who owns
the the lots the lots of L right now there's two lots the city of L on it right now that's why we're declaring surplus the entire the entire lot yeah so the the person that has a mini the little division there that's also city
belongs to the city oh they just they just put the childling fans in the middle yeah they they they have you stopped by you know that The lot is divided. It has a h a fence
that I um I I'm not sure. Can I finish? As as you have so stated, I will just rely on the fact that the lot shows in green. Uhhuh. Then there's a fence. Then there's another lock that's not that's
not ours. That's okay because that person parks uh he sells cars I think. Okay. But but again the fence the lot itself is not fenced. Which one is we're in green? Yeah. Can Yeah, but I I don't
have it. I know you did. I No, I know you did. That's why I started the uh No, but I want to see it. Isn't it packed? So this is the that is that doesn't belong to the city.
The the one that's not green does not belong to the city. Okay. So the green does just to make sure the one that they're using. Yes. The one that they're using for the one that people are parking on belong Yeah. But they park all over the places. That is that is the
reality. And I don't blame them. they don't have nowhere to park. Um uh but once again I think that uh we need to think about parking not only houses can you look can you can you talk uh can you
talk to us can you talk to us a little more about the the deadlines we have I know that that passed already for a long time ago particular this particular property we were supposed to respond by the 18th of June so we're at
18 on June to who? To the state. Yes, according to the state. So, we need to respond back. I have a notice from is that's the same as the other property that you have with the housing committee. Um, so most of them are around the same date. They're not the exact same date, but they're all upcoming just like this. This is just the one that has the date. The other
ones are going to come back in. All right. Let me ask you a quick question then. If uh if um if you go ahead and and and proceed with the RFP, the city can still decide at that point, no, we're not doing RFP, we're doing
parking. Am I correct? Even though it's a clear surplus. No, you you have to make a decision in the beginning whether the property is being retained. There are two different timets whether the property is being retained or the property is being sold. That's an initial decision that must be made. So,
okay. So if we take a vote today, it will it will be to either one of those two. Again like the who's making the decision the council or do not the request went out to the city do you want to retain
it? The city came back and said we do not want to retain it. Okay. So we processed down that path that says we are going to sell it. No one was interested in it. So therefore we have to take the path of selling it. And it could very well be a parking. I
just don't know what the applications are going to look like. I have to review those, but I will consider those things when they come to us. But it won't be a city. And then the and then u the RP talk to us about the RP. Um the RFP like
other services, we put together an RFP. We solicited for bid. It goes out public and and what do you request on the RFP? We haven't even gotten there. Just trying because I thought that the RFP was supposed to be approved by the council. I'm sorry. I thought that the RFP was supposed to be approved by the
counc. The one bite or two bites of the apple question. Again, all I'm saying is we're just trying to declare it surface until we declare it surface. There's nothing we can do with the process after we declare a stop loss is the next the develop
that at least a draft the council need to see for us to take a vote whether or not we want that to be on that direction. Okay. I don't believe you have we did we did that last time with that uh 292 water street again. I believe that may have happened. That is not the requirement.
And just to uh just we need some clarity on that. Just to add to that, that's actually um that's something I've been trying to have you guys understand for the last couple months. So, I'm glad that the attorney is here to answer. Um in regards to um Sorry, I lost my train
of thought. There's so much things going on. Um in regards to the declaration of surplus. So, we declare the property surplus and then the RFP process. Um, previously, you're right, we would come before you and show you the RFP and what that looks like, but like the attorney just said, it's not required. It's
something that we have done as a courtesy, I would say. And I no courtesy when it comes to the council. I'm sorry. It's not such thing as a courtesy when it comes to the council. It's government business. So if we've done it well the ordinance says otherwise and probably the attorney will review it tomorrow and then have other opinion about that
because I have read the the ordinance that it says and the ordinance is the local law uh not such thing as a codetin um because the thing is is like look what look what happened oh ceset when we have a heated conversation like the previous one we have on water
street uh the last one we declare surplus we have in the process, the draft therapy, not all the details, but the