##VIDEO ID:O3l3fi-6caI## e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e what's so funny put this in front of you we're going to get started right y y let's get started we're supposed to start minutes ago and I hate being late good evening and welcome to the ordinance committee meeting today is Tuesday December 10th 2024 uh voting members are here uh clerk would you please call the role coun Rosario present councilor Santiago present chair Le plant present pursing to chapter 20 the acts of 2022 this meeting of the ordinance committee is being conducted both in person and via remote participation reminded the persons would like to listen to view viw this meeting while in progress May either attend in person or access us at the Facebook Lauren City Council page or the YouTube Lawrence city council page um would you all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance IED to the flag of the United States of America and to the na indivisible Justice thanks everyone um as is customary in this committee we like to take City councils are here out of order and then we go right then to City employees who have been here since 8:30 this morning and try to get them out of here if we can and then we do go in order as well for people who are here so if you're here this evening thank you so much we will definitely take your item out of order and near the top so with that if there's no objections uh the council president is here he's got two items we're just going to go in the order that I see them the first one is a if there's no objection 5762 24 the adopt City adopt a Citywide speed hump program council president uh thank you uh Mr shair for the uh for the ordinance committee uh counselors uh thank you for allowing me to speak on these two items that I have in front of the committee the first item which is the item 576 24s is an Ord an ordinance to establish Citywide speed bomb installation program um the speed B the speed humps uh are qu a little different than what we used to have before is the the one the the spe uh reductions spe calling U solution that actually are built within the road uh with an specific slope and in a specific measurement according to the mucd and according to the specific design as the city uh would like to adopt uh this ordinance is to establish uh to establish and and enhance traffic caling measurement to improve uh Public Safety reduce the speed in some areas and protect pedestrian cyclings and motorist um those speed humps are like I mentioned before different than what we used to have in the past and this is to establish some type of a program ordinance to allow the city of lamr to install those as per uh it might be require or a requirement for us to have it um obviously once this ordinance uh goes over it need to be um to establish the speed humps uh it need to be in compliance with the m with the mutcd uh which is the the Minal of uniform traffic control devices and Engineering standards uh that is to be established by the city uh the scope and implementation they have we have series of criterias that need to be U into need to be taken into into consideration before uh the city decide to adopt or to install any speed humps on any specific area this is a a a general ordinance for the entire city of Lawrence and the city will determine where to install uh each of those based on a specific criterias uh incident amount of traffic incident happen in a specific area amount of traffic uh or traffic data that is that is going to be provided um by that uh those that take that um uh tra uh that take that data perhaps the police department and any or any other departments that believe that it is um for the benefit those that's those data are going to provide information enough or enough information to be able to install any speed humps on any particular area that is on U public notifications that are as part of the uh uh the scope and the implementation that need need to take place uh also there is a funding uh mechanisms that need to be add every year to the specific budget perhaps the the DPW budget uh to maintain and also to uh allow D this program to continue and and be successful and uh and also there is a priority locations uh throughout the city that are prioritizing a specific area perhaps near schools near Park and uh and uh document the history of speeding on a specific areas um the my point uh my I would like this this committee to analyze those uh this program this potential program this potential ordinance and be able to discuss it and uh potentially be approved after a public hearing has been U exposed sure great any questions or comments for the for the um petitioner Council Council delar thank you through you um chair uh cause and and is the city engineer involved in this in this ordinance that what do he have to say when does he have an input to it or i i u quickly show it to them uh not going in details how about that um as as you know I'm an engineer by trade I put this design together based on previous design that I have seen on other locations and uh it's it's a great amount of u money that the city have saved just on the design itself uh as you as you can see as part of the package the location the markings the criter the engineering criterias are being defined as part of the ordinance with the specific slope uh that varies based on the locations uh and they they are uh willing to look into it for sure uh is the is this is the if the the the desire of the city uh of the ordinance committee is to send it up to uh to that to the engineering department that's fine um we can we can if you if if if the committee decide to send it up pending that information to send it out to the full Council pending this information that's also uh something that I highly appreciate um since we have uh put a lot of work on this specific program would like to see it success I mean that's that's my opinion I think we should we should hear what the engineer have to say CU I've been over hearing that they have an idea of speed bumps or speed humps coming up uh I don't know when but that's what I've been over here and that's why they took out the other ones the temporary ones because it's cost the city a lot of money to have in place for a couple of months and they released them or take them away and they are looking into integrate those I don't know if it's speed bump or speed humps how you call it but and that's what I've been hearing so those conversations are around so wondering if the engineering department or engineer has something in plan already essentially uh yes they do have something in plan but that uh the legislation portion of any type of uh installation on the street and the on the street right away need to be approved by the city council and essentially what we providing the Departments if whether they going to install speed humps or speed bumps is that uh the legality of the programs to be uh to be able to take place um essentially if we if we don't have something in place uh technically they're not supposed to have it or the city is not supposed to have it that's what we have done uh in the past uh but it is something that we need if it is wrong corrected and the ordinance is not going to do anything else then just make sure that we do it correctly and through you uh chair and I understand but if we somehow approve a speed humps and what they have in mind is a speed bumps so do we change the Ordinance do we come back and that's why I'm saying that we should at least have a conversation with them to see what they have in mind before we place any ordinance when it comes to that I like it and and looking forward to get something like that place in the city it will help tremendously but if we again if we move this forward and and approve a speed humps and then what they have in mind or the sign of of maybe looking for money to do a speed bumps how do how do we we proceed with that essentially um um uh counselor what um this is going to do is is is something different than the than the speed humps the speed humps and the speed bumps are different and if we're going to do the speed bumps like we used to have they have to have another another set of regulations uh that it's going to be similar when it comes to the criteria to installation but when it comes to the uh to the uh to the the the speed col itself you have to have another set of criteria this is not going to change one or another because they are different when it comes to that how wide they are the how how the how the slope take place because this is this this is a permanent structure on the road the other ones uh the speed the speed bumps they are temporary structure they cannot be they cannot stay during the winter so if that's going to take place and we want to have an ordinance for that specifically it have nothing to do with the speed humps is is different so having having one or another I think that we have to have two set of ordinance uh that allow both what that um clerk will you please call the role for vice chair Reyes councilor C please Council Rees please okay she I can see that she's here with us but um we will check in with her in a little bit when we do a roll call um anybody else wish to speak on this item um uh Mr hooton would you care to speak on this item yes go ahead um I've been asked uh to review this as with any ordinance I speak neither in favor nor against it um but I look at the legality of it uh first thing I that I notice is that three of the most important parties um to this ordinance are not present and have not been notified we don't have the police we don't have the fire and we do not have the DPW um as you know and I can just speak from other communities they traditionally oppose these um being that it now reduces your time responding to fire it reduces your time and police responding to actions and right now the DPW can put in um bumps or whatever but they they make that decision so I would just suggest to this committee that before any decision is made that you bring in all interested parties be and have them heard from it uh as far as looking over the language I have no problem with the language and I understand but this is a permanent structure it is made of tar this is not the plastic thing that gets picked up so um again uh for the purposes of liability of the city I would ask that you bring in the interested parties and and have a hearing regarding because I I I went I took the liberty of contacting all three parties and they they knew nothing of the meeting tonight and Fire Chiefs on vacation Lea Chief Etc so I'm looking for a motion I'm looking for a motion that we send those to the three Department that the City attorney just mentioned the DPW the police chief the police department and the fire department is there a motion for their review motion been made is there a second second second by Council Santiago any further discussion on this matter see none clerk please call the role all right Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes Council Rees chair La plant yes chair Rees can you hear Vice chair Rees Vice chair Rees can you hear us we if you hear us we're unable to hear you I think she can hear us I don't think I I don't put that on all right all right motion carries um to send to the full uh to be and then we're going to motion to table motion to table motion be made six Ed this uh clerk please call the rule motion to table Council Del Rosario yes councel Santiago yes councilor Rees yes thank you Cher of plant yes motion the table thank you Vice chair Reyes uh the next item for the council president has before us this evening is three uh 493 493 3 2 nope yes 4932 24 so on page two of your agenda the table business of October 1st 2024 if there's no objection we'll take this one out of order as well uh council president you have the floor well we have discussed this item previously um or unofficially um to a point that it is it is it for a lot of councilor itties I need to have uh some type of guidance and uh and some type of of U um policies and criterias and and procedures to be able to um name or rename any particular park or any facility of the uh from the City of Lawrence uh these these ordinance will bring uh those guids to be able to have some type of criteria when it comes to naming and renaming any park or any facility from the city of lence uh there is the ordinance have different uh sessions uh in continuation to the local ordinance that we have in place currently which is 12 24220 uh and we are going to be adding the rest of this uh uh the rest of these subception uh to the current ordinance to establish a guids as of how to proceed uh and what to look for and also have a specific criteria that any proponents for any naming or renaming had to provide to the city council in order to be able to uh be in compliance and continue with that uh with the desire of any applicants uh when it comes to naming and renaming any particular park facility it yep Council any comments questions um I've got my initial question is this is everything to do with the city council and I'm not seeing anywhere on this where the mayor has any involvement at all on this currently the mayor has the opportunity to also provide um a um suggestion or a recommendation how does F this part is not but section uh section 120 it does so section 120 is the current ordinance that we have currently and uh and and it it's St now that the mayor or the city council could name any particular Park and this is basically once the mayor or the city council or any petitioner uh proceed of applying for any particular naming or renaming and then this is the guidance as of what need to happen after the fact so in section 120 I don't have any front of me right now but as far as I recollect um the the mayor of the city council Co um request but only the city council will approve it and this section right here is specified uh furthermore as of what the city council requires for us to uh have any particular say on the matter so the mayor still has the ability to approve or disapprove as a veto or not veto at the end will able to beat or any other measurement uh but uh we be able we be the the the body that approve it as per section 120 um on the on the current ordinance that we have in the city of lence section 130 of of the Cent ordinance that we are discussing uh specifically State the introduction um and something that is very uh very important that a lot of time um sometime these type of petitions come in front of us with an a in a specific even political pressure and it is specifically saying here uh not to uh pursue with that um on the ordinance uh because I think we think a lot of councilors think and the people might think that it is it is an easy thing to do uh but but having it doing it without any particular criteria on writing it will be it's a lot of more challenging so essentially what we want to establish on these procedures uh is the is the policies and procedures the criteria uh the designation the naming uh of interior features uh naming and uh and renaming procedures if uh if if it's any uh memorials and dedication and even signature even in even signage that we've been having some issues when it comes to uh signs and the potential designs once we have um any particular naming or renaming the city council how to approve the language as of what's going to go on that sign and that's also being uh being taken care of in these ordin in this ordinance proposal it's just Parks Park structures and Facilities not Corners not squares not anything else it's just those three items well essentially we can definely add I I believe that within the ordinance it's established any facility uh and if that's within the definition and then we can definitely Define what one of those means uh but the intent to is to have everything that we currently have uh to be part of these criterias uh including corners and any other that probably haven't been well clarified from the ordinance put is some space to uh to to actually change it is there another organiz another city that you model this after well essentially I'm not I'm not going to try to reent the wheel obviously I did the research and look at different cities including New York City including different cities and towns including Boston including different uh other locations from Massachusetts uh and then after getting multiple uh ordinance in place have something that work for the city of lawence will be essential so it's it's a lot of them but not necessarily all of them there's there's a lot here um candidly that and clearly you you put some work or you've looked at some other cities you're able to mix and match and put things together I mean I just got this late in the day and I'm didn't really have a chance to look at I'm looking at it really now but I'm I'm rushing through it and this is as you can all imagine this is a sensitive issue for a lot of people so I want to make sure I give it the kind of diligence that it's required counselors I I um I applaud the council president for putting something together for putting something for for our consideration um I'm not comfortable this evening voting on it however having just received it and really trying to to to get there's other questions I'm sure that I have um if it's okay with this committee I I want to open up for questions I don't want to stop that from happening or comments but but if if no one has any of those I was looking for a motion to table maybe we can take it up either our next meeting or two so anybody else wish to speak on this item if there is any questions I'm willing to uh to respond it now and then we can proceed with it tbling but advancing any question will be sure that's what I'm asking my colleagues our colleagues for right now is there any questions or comments right now if not we can table it you because I'm in the same position I haven't been able to actually read the whole the whole item itself so I mean again that's it's something that we've been looking for but we need to read it so yeah sure no problem I mean that's that's part of the process if there are no other comments I'm looking for a motion to table motion to table is there a second second motion been made and seconded clerk please call the role for a motion to table councelor Seline Reyes councelor Reyes councelor Del Goro yes councilor Santiago yes chair llant chair votes yes thank you council president appreciate your attendance this evening is there anything else on this docket I guess not we're all set good thank you um as promised we're going to go through um and get some of these cities employees who've been here since 49 this morning out of here um we do have one H so we do have the ad you that's on here um i' I've been asked because of the if there's no objection can we take document 5 2024 if there's no objection we'll take that one up you're here right now what's your recommendation on this I know there's a lot of things that are recent developments so why don't you let us know sure this went to the launch plan board last week where it was uh affirmatively approved sent up with a favorable recommendation yesterday um the state regulations were issued um which contradict or supplement a lot of the um language that's in our ordinance it's um in and to be fair we're still digesting at the City attorney um the the inspectional services department myself are all digesting it to see how it applies to the current um draft of it so um at this point I'd uh ask that it remain tabled coun that makes a lot of sense to me since we got new information just came up in the last 24 hours that's really important so let's rather than doing it twice let's just do it once I'm looking for if there's for motion table motion table has been made as Z second it's been properly seconded Council delar will make a motion to table Council Santiago seconded it now we're going to call I'm going to ask the clerk to call the role on a motion to table motion to table councilor Selena Reyes yes all right councel Del gorio yes councelor s Thiago yes Council chair yes chair votes yes we are tabling that um thank you so um just move this up document 551 you know we've got I promise we're going to city employees but I think we have got one that Go real fast we have an old gold license they're here I don't think this is going to take a long time I don't think I think it's is a fast one if there's no objection let's just take 55024 on page one out of order renewal of the old gold dealer license of brother's jewelry um gentlemen come forward Mr grion welcome let me just pull up our stuff here real fast got it I want to make sure all the sign offs are here and if it's if it's all here it's probably not going you have any questions yeah so the number for this is 550 24 it's on page one it's the first item under the November 19th section page one it appears Mr gon that things are signed properly you've signed it properly so that's a good start I don't have any questions but maybe call my colleagues do is there anybody wishes to speak on this matter or ask questions if there are no questions motion to approve there is a motion now is there a second second motion made by Vice chair Reyes properly seconded by councelor Del Rosario discussion seeing none this is a motion to sent up to the full council with a favorable recommendation correct yes clerk please call the role councilor delorio yes councelor Santiago yes Council Ares yes J yes it's going to the full Council our next meeting is next Tuesday next Tuesday so you should attend okay great thank you good night you're welcome good night um the next item this is um if there's no objection this is going to deal with the I had a second ago where is it Council parking name is units hold on oh document 55124 right below that if that's the anti- proposed anti- camping ordinance prohibiting unauthorized camping in public places if there's no objection let's take that one out so the police can get out of here so I'll invite the police department now to come forward good evening uh I promise to be as uh brief as you'd like me to be um as uh you know as you know since the Inception or since the announcement of our anti- vagrancy initiative uh we have been inundated inundated with calls uh for clarification for information and the like and uh one of the one of the topics that consistently comes up is what this anti- camping ordinance uh the contemplated ordinance uh is going to look like um I took the Liberties earlier on and I gave everyone pretty much a copy of of uh a copy of lel's uh anti- ordinance anti- camping ordinance and uh just for your review again I've indicated before we don't have to reinvent the wheel here there are a couple of little tidbits within this uh uh sample ordinance um that I'd like to pick apart and there's some questions on it uh I'd like to tailor it uh more to toward our community's needs and there are some questions that I will be uh uh passing on to our uh City attorney uh you know for his recommendation in that but I just wanted to give you an idea of what it kind of looks like and as you know it does give us uh this has survived legal scrutiny and then this has um gives us the opportunity uh to uh enact uh an ordinance uh and again uh the council has the full Authority and power to amend and add and do whatever they like to do with it but I just wanted to bring that uh to your attention just to give you an Insight of what that might look like uh we will be uh educating the public at large and uh you know as to what that is and again we've been Fielding calls questions and like and so I just wanted you guys to get an an idea there are some questions that need to be asked uh from our uh legal department which is uh has to do with a duty uh to include a shelter and availability exception to the ordinance I'd like to have that answered before uh we proceed and we provide you with some sort of uh what was the question again I'm sorry I just so so the uh it I didn't I just didn't hear it correctly oh I'm sorry yeah it's it's it's there is an exception to the uh to the anti- uh tenting uh ordinance and and that the exception basically being that um they can camp out there uh if there's unavailability for alternative housing um and that in there I see as a loophole and I'd like to see how uh number one I'd like to know if we're compelled uh to adopt that language in particular and secondly what the implications would be um you know if that's the case uh you know are we going to incur any price any any costs if we are going to incur costs where would that come from state federal grants what's available out there so there's a lot to to research yet before there's an actual proposal um but again um I I do have to get in contact with my counterparts and L as well to see how that's uh working for them so how do you want to proceed well at this point like I said I wanted to give you this as an informational because um I have even some of uh colleagues in in the council asking me what does that look like what is this supposed to be um and what I'd like to do is just to take uh take a look at what the language is what it allows us to do and uh I want to clarify those particular points um and then submit it to to all of you you uh so that you look at what our proposal in that regard is and uh have it uh filtered through the city attorney's office and certainly uh through the council for its approval Amendment revision what have you okay so a typically uh we look at a proposal is this the proposal that you have are you submitting the city of lel's proposal and you're going to be tweaking it right now which is fine is this the proposal that you're submitting for Lawrence with the tweak that you're about to suggest to us uh yes with the reservation with the reservation uh and and and permission uh to be able to uh uh to tweak it you know so why don't we start with this so we have a comprehensive idea of what we're looking at here why don't you tell us what you're tweaking start off with that and if you got to go into some I mean we could be here all night it's pretty intense but we'll we'll scratch the surface we'll dig a little bit and we'll see where this goes so what what are you looking to tweak out of this proposed ordinance well H if we look at first page uh section a uh uh section A as an alpha um uh the very last sentence on the first paragraph where it says uh you know it basically uh says it's unlawful for them to camp but it says uh unless specifically authorized or during a period when shelter is unavailable I do want to get very specific as to what that means that shelters AR available um you know I know that there's plenty of availability here um but that does that even include a refusal because that you know what I mean that that that would not include a refusal as far as I'm concerned so that's a question you're not looking to strike that you you just have a question regarding that I have a question with that okay so I want to put that in parenthesis that's a question not a strike correct and the other question I would add to that as well is Clarity regarding the language which is this if it says unavailable then say unavailable where is it in Lawrence is it in marac Valley is it X number of miles is it in the Commonwealth so that's the question of what is unavailable so that might be if you're looking for a loophole on that side that could be a loophole if you're looking at loopholes there loopholes all over the place so that would be a question that I would have okay so that's a question go ahead what's what else you got that that's great Point uh uh councilor clant you also uh uh uh Mr chairman you also bring uh that brings us as beautiful segue to the second page sections five and six um which speak about uh if you look at section five last sentence again um city of L says that emergency uh shelter space may be provided at a city authorized location outside of the city again what the radius is is is not outlined there I'd like to speak to my our counterparts there so that's a question not a strikeout yes I got it okay continue um I only have a question is number six what what I want them to be very specific about what they mean when period of shelter is unavailable um you know but that is not necessarily concerning as number five and and the issues that uh you correctly raised with regards to the radius okay what else um and the very last and the very last I I I'd like to know if if um I have a question with regards to section F I believe it's in uh the third page section f um it has a provision in there uh relative to the storing of uh of uh items uh not necessarily deemed uh disposable and and that would imply personal items um it does hold the city of alel has agreed uh to store uh private um private property for a minimum of 30 days I don't think that that's a requirement that they we have to be uh that we have to adopt I'd like to know that with absolute certainty if in order to strike it so you're looking to strike or looking to question I'm looking to strike that well strike that so the language that says all personal property starting with that or you looking at that whole Clause all well just that where they where they State personal property and and that is property that is not deemed discardable and I understand it's over broad but I I would assume that they mean uh items of very person so very simple so I'm I'm going to interrupt and I I mean to all personal property removed from a campsite which is not disposed of or held as evidence shall be stored by the Low Police dep Low Police Department for a minimum of 30 days during which time it shall be made reasonably available for and released to an individual confirming ownership that's the Clause you want struck out I'd like to strike that all right we're going to do that just as now we know where you are on this this is your proposal right so I want to make sure we we got your proposal got it yes okay and that and that is it that's it I think what would be helpful right now um I just think that we should have a I I don't need this to be long we all live in the city we all know we all all know we see homeless all of us know what that means right but if you can just kind of give us a very broad summary as to why we have this here and what this is going if we pass something like this what is it going to do what's the end result and then we can go into a little bit more into the questions regarding the details of how you're going to do what your goal is by this ordinance proposal go ahead excellent Okay so I I can compose it or I can briefly tell you um the the objective of this ordinance is basically to give us more leverage as far as enforcement and in order to uh also uh facilitate dismantling the removal of these particular uh encampment sites and that is it this doesn't necessarily mean that we are automatically going to enter into any type of arrest uh uh action there will be also uh due notice uh that's required prior to any such action but it gives us that lawful uh leverage to be able to move the encampments along as opposed to we clear an encampment as we move along through the other encampments throughout the city we got to come back and there reestablished at this point once we clear an encampment uh we can return now this ordinance is in place now we we can Mouse around from place to place and essentially just enforce uh the ordinance as outlined okay let's if it's okay I'm just going to continue with a little the general questioning and then we can all have a chance to speak a few questions we have them later what are the tools behind this is going to be able to provide what you're saying there what are the tools I know we got the establishment the function of the purpose which is a you define the terms go into where the meat of this is as far as the how that's going to impact and achieve the goals you just mentioned well again so we this this the the ordinance at this particular uh s Le would allow us the opportunity to affect arrests uh for those that do not comply with the ordinance there is going to be a a pre-notice provision that's included in this there is a pre-notice uh uh provision that means we'll give you a notice to say hey uh you know Mr Smith uh there's no camping here ordinance number 1 2 345 indicates that you have to move here if we come back here uh within 4 hours Within by tomorrow and you're still here you you face arrest uh we find to give some teeth to the move of long uh practice that we've that that we've been uh practicing at this time right now but moreover it it makes the place less inviting it makes a city less inviting if others that are migrating from other communities know that we have similar ordinances in the cities that they're they're leaving for this particular reason we have city ordinances uh Mr chairman that that have to do with public drinking uh and and and other and other is um other violations that we can affect arrest on uh we don't necessarily do it under all circumstances there is discretion um but we would like at least the lawful Authority uh to be able to for those that refuse or for those that disobey or the uh the ordinance uh and the and the spirit and objective of the ordinance uh to give us the lawful authority to say well at this point now we are going to try another route which is to affect an arrest as other communities do how long does LEL have this ordinance um I I don't believe that it's it's it's been very long um I don't know the date by which they let me see maybe the last page and I'll tell you why I'm asking that while you're looking for it did you should find it yet uh no it's not in this particular so so the reason why I'm asking is that what is fantastic is L's doing this not what's not so fantastic is we're behind the eightball but what's good about this the positive is that we're going to get to see how successful it is what what did they get right what did they get wrong and if we can learn some lessons however many weeks or months that they've had that that will provide us a guide a pathway to avoid those things so we can either tighten it or loosen or based on what their experience is so if you have a contact over in L I would strongly encourage and ask if you could have that kind of convers ation see where they are and maybe is May maybe too soon but maybe they got some initial reactions as to what they thought might be a little bit better if they had the chance does that make sense that makes absolutely sense yes let um there's a lot here um so I'm going to step step back for a second and allow my colleagues to ask questions or comments yeah through you Council D Rosario through CH going back to se uh to page two with the section five and six is it what I would like to see also when you find out is it you know is there is there shelter available where is available are we transporting them um also is it that is that what's happening to them why they bring them here you know so it we love to see what establishes if we are responsible to you know there's an availability in in in Chelsea right are we responsible to bring them to Chelsea so they don't Camp here so that's also will be good to now there L's L's uh ordinance includes uh a trans a transportation um now uh we our experience has been that uh very few individuals opt for transportation request Transportation they'll typically just move along um but that does include that and again I think that uh Mr chairman brought up a good point and in regards to uh getting in contact uh with our counterparts over in L which was which is our intent obviously uh to see how effective that has been again our our our objective is not to bring any more uh costs uh to the city uh not to adopt any more liability to the city what we'd like to do is uh adopt what actually works in other communities tailor it so that it works for our community um and the particular idiosyncrasies of our community and and proceed from there um but yeah it's it's it's all relatively new what I didn't want us to do is to be behind the eightball where now we are uh you know a light year away from what our surrounding communities are doing uh it seems that this particular ordinance has not only been accepted but as as as uh a survived legal muster as written as as proposed here um with the exceptions of the one or two tweaks that I'd like to make um and and the Striking of a certain paragraph um I think that you know if if adopted um and approved I think that you know at that point we're working from position of uh of advancement uh we could all scale back but it's kind of harder to get uh moving forward you know what I mean so thank you chair I also want to acknowledge that we do have our homeless coordinator here Miss Frasier is is here um Miss Frasier would you care to before we go any further on this just to on on on this document that we have here are there any comments that you have that would help us make a better decision hello guys Kelly Fraser homeless coordinator for the City of Lawrence um I do I have met with Lieutenant Fleming and Captain agular I agree with the no tent law in the city as being um they can't set up tents in our public places I am 100% agreeing with that what I'm kind of confused on is the resources that we're moving forward to get them so say for instance we go and they say okay no tent law right now we sign we find someone that on our public property with the tents we have to come together as a community with our outgoing resources that we have to work on something that okay instead of saying okay now you have to stay in the cold what are we going to do to offer them resources when I spoke to them the captain and Lieutenant today we're working with our outside resources there is a shelter I know um councelor Gregory you mentioned something about shelter in LEL did I reading through this um they according to they said when a shelter is available and and and transportation I don't know so that's what I want to find out so it is there is a low there is a shelter I don't know if you guys are aware there is a Shel shelter on middle sex Street in Lowel they have a bigger shelter than what we do here so right now due to Winter protocol if they're there by 6:00 winter protocol they're taking people in so what we've been doing is if we come across a homeless person that doesn't have income and I can't help them with the resources we have to get them in somewhere we are referring them to the um the shelter our shelter Can Only Hold 32 people at the current moment they have about 50 something so they are trying to help us as well but we don't have a bigger shelter to help so when it comes to the no tent law I am agreeing with them because what we're finding is tents in our kids parks we're finding kids um sorry we're finding that they're setting up tents in the Parks local parks and then like where the kids have their playgrounds am I saying that right playground like for instance on Holly and Daisy Street that's a playground I had to watch kids that couldn't go play in the playground because they had tents in there so I am agreeing that we do pass the not in the City of Lawrence as long as we come together and have resources to help them to go somewhere else did I answer you did it was up to you how you wanted to answer so that's fine that's what you want us to hear that we're good with that are there any other of my colleagues who wish to ask questions or speak on this matter no okay uh this is I don't want we could again this is one of those items we could spend the entire night on and we could probably do the same thing at a public hearing at the full Council level um tell me a little bit about timing how quickly are I mean obviously we want to how important is that we move on this as opposed to taking more time studying getting more information for example I'm just trying to get a perspective from you as to the PACE that we should have based on getting this thing right or more improved or or trying to get something done before somebody else gets done so tell me about timing I think Mr chairman that the what the winter right now is buying us sometime um I think that a lot of the activities of which we we are concerned with right now uh tend his historically and traditionally to kind of slow down a little bit uh during this period of time so we have a little bit of time I I I always want to move uh a little bit slower uh particularly with these type of things in order that we get right in order that we tailor it to exactly what we need and to get it right um there is no particular rush to get it through at this time there are some things that I'd like to speak to my counterparts about as I stated um so time uh would be helpful I do not think we have the type of time uh that would lend itself to let's say as spring starts to approach uh type of time uh at that particular time there is a natural uh migration to find a place to kind of set up camp uh for those that are displaced and and at that point uh those that come from uh areas that are already in place uh enforc or enforcing the ordinance um it's just naturally going to kind of push them push them this way and that's so the long short of it is if we can act within the next two months or so get it studied get it in get it considered bring it to your review have it amended approved what have you um then at that point uh and and give you the information that you need you know good question what's LEL saying what's working for them we can get you that information okay get you that and then we can then we can uh say but we I want to have something at least plant the seed so when the time comes you know we can we can pull the trigger I appreciate that I I think you've kind of given us or at least me an idea of where we should be going with this as far as timing so that that's helpful one other thought that I have we're you've defined city property on page two I think think uh number four which is all property Parks rights away parking lots easements or other land owned leas of controller managed by in this particular case the city of or our case City of Lawrence obviously so when we talk about Parks if there was a Boy Scout Troop that wanted to camp out on any of our Parks they would have to come before the city council because we in our ordinances we have direct jurisdiction over the approval of groups or entities or individuals for the use of our Parks I your city property goes beyond Parks but I was listening to what Miss Frasier was saying uh with that one example and part of me is thinking well don't we already have the ability right now if someone is using our Parks without the proper permission and maybe we need to tweak that but we might be able to Fast Track that portion of it not the easements not the other places that's more complicated I don't think we have that jurisdiction but I know we've got the jurisdiction on Parks I'm I'm as you're listening as you were speaking I was think speaking of thinking of that can you give me kind of a reaction to that well as as as as this provision and and again I I know that you you did not have in all fairness you you didn't have an opportunity to review it um I did bring a copy of it uh the this evening um the I think that at this point uh their particular ordinance and and I think that it runs uh parallel to our ordinances with regards to just obtaining uh permission from whom obviously uh the council decides who who would be the the the agent uh or authorized individual to to provide such uh authorization uh and what the requirement would be would it be uh you know just a letter hey troop F would like to camp out at the common and a reenactment what have you we can we we can certainly do that but we already have that in the books right now so my point is this if you were let's play this thing out if you were a scout troop you would want to use the camping know Common you would then go and you would go to Citizen surf you would fill out the form you would put it on the council agenda we would then have it here before the committee we would then look at it we would then either recommend it to the full Council and the full Council will take a vote on we would would give a permit we would give a permit to allow someone to do that I'm using that rubric that that Paradigm that process in the same way this this not a very difficult thing to to conceive of here which is this if you had that same requirement for anybody who wishes to use our Parks as a camp for whatever the reasons are why are we distinguishing you would have to come before the council now we can all surmise is to how organized are the individuals I think they're are they going to come before the council and if they don't they're they unper which gives you the right immediately to be able to they don't have the permits they can't be on the common it's very simple correct very simple right so my question here is and I I'm just I'm I'm spitballing a little bit here there's probably thoughts parts of this I haven't thought all the way through to be candid I'm just thinking of it right now but why can't I mean I'm extracting that from this there's at least one section that maybe we have jurisdiction over it's the rest that we don't that still needs to be done because it's by the railroad tracks it's underne the bridges there's a lot of other places where this is happening there are public places right um that's the issue but in this one small sphere we don't we we may not need to wait as long that's my point so I just want to know if you got a thought on that well I I I think that and and the this particular um this particular lel's uh uh ordinance States and and uh section c camping regulations that uh unless specifically authorized by the city manager certainly we have to have an equivalent to that but I think that the short of it if I understand uh uh your point correctly um I think that uh re reason dictates here I don't think that any police off again this is a tool simply a tool of enforcement uh just another tool in our in in our belt to try to uh uh achieve the ultimate objective which is to keep are of the city when which our children play and our residents you know free from disease human trafficking drug trafficking uh you know gang activity and like so and and I think in that regard those that are going to be enforcing this particular ordinance which would be the Lawrence Police Department in this particular case would have to use uh uh reason and and rationale and in in that even given this example they come across troop F they know for certain that this isn't a a vagrancy uh camp in cment or something to that effect uh at that point I think that a simple phone call or something to that effect but it certainly doesn't exempt anyone from utilizing the very same policies procedures processes that they take to you know to have something at a camp whether it's a church whether it's troop F whether it's whatever it is it's the same process for everyone I would assume but again with regards to the enforcement aspect of it um you know I I think that it just reason dictates how we approach on that so do this I'm going to park this I got my idea out I don't think this is going to move tonight I think we're going you're going to get some answers we're going to come back so let's give that some more thought we can talk about that more if we need to you and I um but I want to make sure that all my colleagues have a chance to ask a questions or comments should they want to right now it'll be back I think hopefully we'll table it so the conversation will stick around we're not going anywhere with it but is there anything else tonight that any of my colleagues wish to speak on no no okay I'm looking for we just going table it here I'm looking for a motion to table this item motion table second motion made by Council Del Rosario to table properly seconded by councelor Santiago seeing that there's no discussion I will ask the clerk to please call the role Council Del Rosario yes councilor Santiago yes Council Rees yes Chay La plant yes thank you Miss Frasier thank you gentlemen Lieutenant Captain we appreciate your attendance this evening and and you'll let us know when it's time to take this off the table when you get the information absolutely perfect got it all right um sure sure that's fine that'll give me a chance to look for something uh just to let you know the next document will be coming up is 57224 that's going to convert lenck Street to a oneway thank you if there's no objection I'm going to be taking document number 57224 um out of order there's no objection seeing none I also before we uh listen uh to Mr L we're I received an email uh this yesterday from from um vice president infon I would like to have the item 57224 convert lenck Street to oneway withdrawn I misunderstood my constituents of that area they are more concerned about the Brookfield street with lenck Street intersection I have reached out to DP DPW and will submit an agenda item related to this meeting uh with DPW thank you councelor Ponte so Jo well not yet we're going to have to take some action but that was the recommendation and typically this this committee typically leans on the the leans on the proposal in the district that's in and she's asking for it to be withdrawn which I think is what you're looking for am I right yes so we can all go home tonight knowing that's probably going to happen although if we make that motion this evening we have one more step as you know at the full Council but it's highly unlikely that that will change of course it could but we'll make we can make a motion to withdraw at this level item 57 224 motion was sent to the full council with intentional withdraw motion has been made by Council Del Rosario seconded by councilor Santiago this is to a motion to withdraw is there any discussion see no discussion clerk please call the rule Council Rus yes Council delorio yes Santiago yes chera PL yes thank you very much have a good night C thank you so much officer appreciate it U I don't think there's anybody else here on any other matters on which street H Hamlet sure uh do we see that on the agenda do we know what number that is it was on the same comme from last but you guys it on this agenda okay I'm I'm looking 5924 55924 I think I think the I think it was requested by vice president fonte for us to table it here so I think the council took that this committee took their cues and took that I think we tabled because of that but I will check again hold on ham Street whole separ that's 559 correct n um not find it very quickly but I'm pretty confident that I'm pretty confident that when we had our last ordinance committee meeting the vice president fonte was here for all her items and we took exactly her recommendation it was and so um I'm pretty confident that if she asked us to table it we did and that's why it's tabled here so it hasn't moved at all you can come on up if there's no objection um we're going to take document 55924 out of the table matters motion to on table uh there second okay we don't need to do that but we can motion me made and properly second clerk please call the role Council Rees yes Council Del gorio yes councelor Santiago yes chera plant yes okay where motion is off the table go ahead a name an address please sure Kelly sinusi 47 Hamlet Street Lawrence Mass um because the meeting was cut off when you when Stephanie or missanti was discussing it I I was only listening to see why they wanted it to make it so if you guys have a packet on that or something of why they're requesting it to be the full Street it would be great because I wasn't able to hear her you know why she wanted lenx street you know a one way why she wanted Hamlet Street a full school zone so the audience or whoever is you know listening to it we don't know why that's happening so if there was you know sometimes there's different things that are sent to you guys is there anything like that I'm I'm looking for it right now um I'm not seeing anything except to say the only thing that my memory recalls is that we went through all of these items with the vice president fonte and uh she must have asked us to table it for reasons we don't know we didn't ask why she wanted to table it it was a an i item that she put on the agenda so if she put it on the agenda as a courtesy to her if she wants a table so she can do whatever she's looking to do maybe she wants to talk to more people or could be different reasons why she' asked to table it we just tabled it so I can't give you any more information on it uh we're not moving it this evening it's going to stay here so I'm I'm sorry that's not satisfactory she's not here to answer the question so I can't help you no no that's fine but she was cut off and I believe she was not at the meeting so you guys were waiting for her to arrive or come that's right and then the meeting went blank and then I never heard another you know another word so so what happened was is that we did table a lot of things then she did arrive and then we unted these items and had a conversation and so that's where what you didn't see was that she was actually present and then we went through the items did she speak on this at all on this no she she probably said to us this is on my memory of course I we called the document up and she said I'm asking the committee to table this item and it's as simple as that and we just tabled it we didn't say why do you want to table we didn't ask this is her item she wants it table we can only think that she wants more information or do something else so we're the committee is usually pretty good with that okay thank you I appreciate it you're welcome okay so I think that's that's it for folks that are here let's go to the top 571 oh what's that oh yeah you want to make a motion to table this item motion to table item 559 second motion to table document 55924 is been made by councelor Santiago seconded by councelor Del Rosario um clerk please call the role clerk please call the role on the motion of table councilor Reyes yes councilor Santiago yes Council Del gorio yes counselor chair La plant yes okay now we're going to the very top of the agenda it's 571 uh no overnight tractor trailer parking on South Broadway again there is um no memo on this there's not much background information on this um counselors uh we look for a little bit more than this usually um so we can send it I guess we send it to the police department for their review um but there's just not much here but I'll leave it to the committee as to what they want to do I mean I'm so just so we know I think that it's with the you may have saw what the council president did he provided this evening a background Subs of information and that's good and I I applaud him for doing that because we haven't been doing that um but we need to do that more and there's been a lapse so all of us me included need to do more of the stuff in front um this is another example of that now we really I mean we don't know why this wants to do it I mean we can all get s why uh but we should our rules actually say that we should be providing information so it's up to you do you want to send this to the police department for their review even though there's not much here do we want to table it and ask the counselor for more information any motion motion to send the police department for review 57124 motion made to send to the police department for review by Council Del Rosario seconded by Council um councelor Santiago discussion clerk please call the RO Council Rees yes councelor Santiago yes Council Adell Rosario yes Cher La plant yes motion to sent to the police department for their review next item is 57324 stop sign at High Street at hon Avenue why is this that's kind of weird wait a second sorry 573 uh this is your right I'm counselor go go right ahead the discussion that I have is this is really narrow and they go too fast and many accident occur and and and in last in the last two months we have an an accident and Resident report me why we can stop the accident of speeding over there and that's why I want to send to the police department to send to put a stop sign there is that the motion yeah there is the motion properly made seconded by councelor Del Rosario discussion see no discussion clerk please call the role Council Rees yes councelor Santiago yes councel Del Rosario yes and Chaya PL yes I know well she's working on it God bless her uh the next document is document 5742 24 and this is from our college counselor who's on amend zoning on Jackson Street from R2 to B1 chair Reyes are you still with us yes so I I need some technical advice on this so when we do a zoning change something in my brain tells me that we we oftentimes work with the planning board on a zoning change and it's been a while since I've last did that does that sound familiar at all to you or do we just deal with it here without going to planning yes if we if we working with something through the sunning normally we asking then to uh to join with us to this conversation to have more clarification about the topic why don't we do this U if it's okay I can make a quick phone call but I need to make a motion to quickly recess to do that is there a motion to recess motion to recess motion made by councelor Santiago second by councel delar any discussion cler please call the rule councilor Rees yes councelor Del Rosario yes C Santiago yes Chaya PL yes we're in a very brief recess e e e e e e roll call to come out of recess Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes Council Rees yes here we go now we heard uh and yes so um so on this document which is the um 574 uh we should table that item here it's already been sent to the um planning board for their review so Council Vice chair you're correct again no I knew you were going to be right on this um and so it's there so we should table it here and wait for their recommendation before we take a vote on it so um motion to table motion made by Council delario seconded by councelor Santiago Del Rosario Santiago discussion no no discussion clerk please call the role you know just for can we can we just amend it to say that I know it's there but it looks better if we just do it sure uh amend a motion motion to send the planning board and then table and table it after that motion to send the planning board and then table it's been made and is properly seconded by councelor Santiago no discussion clerk please call the role Council Rees yes Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes cha plant yes motion carries next item is 5752 24 handicap parking 128 Hancock Street looking to send that to the police department for their review is there a motion so move second motion made by councelor Del Rosario seconded by councelor Santiago discussion see no discussion clerk please call the RO Council arus yes councelor Del Rosario yes councilor Santiago yes CH plant okay the next document is document 5 7724 let the record note please write this in the minutes please Pat Miss Waters please write in the minutes that councelor Del Rosario is recusing himself from the next vote and from the discussion if there's uh 5 7724 remove handicap parking at 80 Trenton Street uh let me see looking for a motion to send this to um me say hold on for one second we may not need that five anybody 77 hold on you have it so we I don't I let's just send this up to the full Council to order a public hearing because we already have docu we have a letter from Miss delario suggesting that anyway person motions been motion made to send to the full Council to make to order a public hearing is there a second second second by Vice chair Reyes discussion see no discussion clerk please call the rle councilor Rees yes Santiago yes Chaya plant go for councelor Del Rosario councelor Del Rosario who is recused from this vote he's recused no you go back go back he's recused from this vote vote and now go ahead now me chair La plant yes please write in the mo in the notes that Council Del res is recused he did not vote on this matter okay Council Del RAR you're welcome to come back all right that is it for our new business for today our um okay I want to go some item we've got uh is there any other members who wish to have items Council Santiago yes I want to put it on table to check some update about item 4324 it is cons Lon send me to request thank you let me see something here uh four 430 240 yes MO if there's no objection if there's no objection let's take document 43024 out of old out of old business see no objection go ahead counselor they expecting for somebody give it the answer the item was so long and they expecting for they don't have any answer about it that's why they request the update okay so what's your motion counselor what number is 4:30 you said 4:30 24 24 sh parking so do you want to so is there a motion then uh to send this document back to uh officer Canó asking for an update and ISD I don't think we received anything on those documents have we and we're in December so that was two or three months ago right we received nothing there's a motion to send document 43024 requesting officer Canó and ISD for an update is is there a second to that motion second motion seconded by Council Del Rosario made by Santiago seconded by Del Rosario discussion yes discussion go ahead councelor I was I was talking with consel sorry with officer Cano and he was telling me he's not doing this work H somebody is on name I don't know H he told me somebody else is doing you do you have any answer to that yes C officer Cano has been removed for what it is uh ordinance or change from ordinance now he's an SI Sid um ISD that's what he's an ISD yeah so it's another officer I don't remember the name is the one doing and that but it those items when they come to the police regardless who does it it it usually take time to come back um but um Cano is not actually the actual officer anymore for ordinance Senor the police chief and I would like to send for the police department police chief yes police chief okay so a motion has been made rather than to send it to Mr Cano amending it to send it to the police chief or his design and to ISD right to the police chief chief to the chief he's in charge he'll figure out who to get it to and to ISD because that was part of the original yeah for and asking for an update I is that it so we got to take a vote on it motion has been made in properly second discussion see no discussion uh Miss Waters please call the role Council Aras yes Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes Chaya plant yes what's your other item counselor behind 43224 okay resident 4 3224 resident Park in linoln court okay go ahead if there's no objection will take 43224 out of out of at new business old business see no objections go ahead counselor that item is the same submitted by Cel Lon and she wanted the update and to same the same motion like the last one to send to the chief okay and for an update for update motion been made by councelor Santiago to send this document for the chief for an update has been properly seconded by councelor Del Rosario discussion senor no discussion clerk please call the RO 43324 4322 that was my bad don't pay attention to me 432 24 that's right 43224 Police Department we need to call the rooll on that Miss Waters Council Rees yes Council Del rosar yes councelor Santiago yes and Cher La plant yes anything else I have three more oh okay onun a roll go for it what you got the other one is 1824 that's the oneway orch street a resident It Is by cons consors re and the resident required an update as well and Consul Lon asked me for to update what was the number again 18 I see it I see it number again is 1824 184 correct it's one way on Orchard Street and this is counselor Vice chair Reyes this is your item councelor Vice chair re uh and I receive some dat from uh city engineer and they say the one way was not approved because they uh planning to presenting a new project for the city oh they're going to do a comprehensive one ways I think that there a bunch of one ways are looking at right is that what they're doing okay so so I'm not sure what you want to do at this point coun L told me just to request the update for this so we could do that there's an update which that's probably going to be the update but that would be the update all right we can certainly do that if if the committee wants uh through you Mr press chair yes uh you can send the the request to the city engineer but uh cons and I already receive an updated they deny to converse the all three in one way but we can send the the the memo for they sending in writing I agree with that just I am telling the message all right so so the message is that apparently um the vice chair is on top of this it understands what's going on has received the information so I think that is the update I think we just got it the update is we're waiting for the oneway street packet to come down from the city engineer so we're more informed than we were about 10 minutes ago so that's a good thing so maybe we don't need to have a motion on this let's just leave it there we'll leave it there okay what's your next one Council um let was there a motion made on that did we make a motion on that no we didn't okay find the 325 32 32524 yeah I have it it's on page four 50-minute parking at 294 Prospect Street oh yes the 524 50 minute parking it was so long I thought we cannot 3 325 24 325 24 I spoke with officer Cano about it and he that's the answer he told me as well he does in charge and to do that and I would like to send for the chief and and soone so there a motion to a police chief for an update on document 32524 is there a second second motion seconded by Council Del Rosario motion made by Santiago second by Del Rosario discussion and and by the way I'm saying this several times so you don't think that I'm kind of losing my head I'm trying to give our recording secretary a chance to write all this down if I go too fast I get a little confusing so we're all set all right so the motion made properly second see no discussion clerk please call the role councilor Reyes yes councilor Del Rosario yes councilor Santiago yes Kay plant yes okay is there anything else councelor and my last one is 42624 a stop sign for fourway stop is pleasing Street intersection with cby Street there is a school Z over there and the the constituent required about stop sign they want to H reduce the speed over there and we want to send for the police department sure so just so miss Waters has this is 32624 32624 go ahead Council um Council you want to send this to the police chief for his an update on this item yes motion made is there a second second seconded by councel Del Rosario discussion seeing no discussion I'll ask the clerk to please call the rule Council Reyes yes Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes CH yes you're is there anybody else who wishes I have an item that I want to take out order as well um if if there's no objection i' like to take my own document out which is 49624 this is a speed limit pilot project act uh what I would like to do with this I know that there's talk about doing something Citywide I had a chance to listen to all of my colleagues that evening everybody wants to do something I I and I also had a chance to to talk to some of my constituents as well um I'm I'm going to um based on a lot of those factors I'm thinking about withdrawing that item and working on just doing it throughout the city and hopefully we as a group can decide which streets would be the proper streets to have them done so um I believe that this is tabled at the um at the ordinance and at the full Council level I don't uh was one of those things where it's it's Citywide so I'm not thrilled with the entire city like for example South Union Street in my district wi through about there are some streets that it would be you want to keep it at 30 m an hour but there were some residential streets you wanted at 25 that makes sense but our larger streets where there's more you may want to have it to keep it where it is but anyway I'm going to look for a motion this might sound strange to withdraw document 49624 for listening to all my motion made Z second second motion made by councelor Santiago seconded by councel delario to withdraw number9 correct any discussion see no discussion clerk please call the role Council Rees yes okay councelor Santiago yes councelor Del Rosario yes yes anything else see none I'm looking for a motion to adern to Second would you withdraw that motion one more thing we have the November 26 minutes I just saw this right here um is that motion withdrawn withdraw the motion motion withdrawn I just want to get this ordinance I'm seeing it right now we have minutes for November 26 24 I'm looking for a motion to uh to um to adopt the minutes M motion to adopt the minutes second motion made by councel delario seconded by councelor Santiago discussion seeing none clerk please call the role motion to accept amend cus yes Council Del Rosario yes Council of Santiago yes CH plan yes motion carries now I'm looking for a motion to adjourn motion to Second motion made by councelor Santiago seconded by Council Del Rosario discussion seeing none clerk please call the rule s Rees yes Council Del Rosario yes Council Santiago yes Cher La plant yes motion carries we are adjourned good night everyone good night good night good night council Vice chair