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ordinance committee meeting today is Tuesday April 8th 2025 um I'll ask the clerk to please call the role councelor Gregor de Rosario present councelor Selena Reyes present councelor
Fidelina Santiago noted absent and chairman Mark Lan present pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2022 this meeting of the ordinance committee is being conducted both in person and via remote participation reminded that persons or people who would like to listen to view this meeting while in
progress may either attend in person uh at the location listed in this ordinance meeting agenda or use any of the following access locations including the Facebook Lawrence City Council page and the YouTube Lauren City Council page we're going to rise here for a second and before that we're going to have a
moment of silence there was a tragedy that took place in Santa Domingo and there's many people in the city council many people who are probably here who have know people who have been directly impacted and affected by that so while we have a moment of silence here in a second please keep those family members and their friends and relatives in mind
as they go through this tragedy thank you will you please join me in the pledge of allegiance i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for
all would you please call the role for councelor Santiago Fidelina Santiago present thank you all right council we have a very full agenda this evening uh we do have uh we
have a lot of cabs uh and liveries that we're going to go through license uh that's going to take a little bit of time i do want to go through and I do but beforehand I do see that Mr ruiz is here as we normally do we go through our we go through um our city officials that are here first because they today's
Tuesday they start at 8:30 in the morning they're here all day we then go to the folks who are listed here i went through the room to see who's available so I wrote them all down so we're going to go through them and then the cabs are going to be and the police department is probably the last thing out of all that
stuff so um I do see on our tabled matters number um 7425 a resolution addressing non-compliant housing within the city of Lawrence if there's no objection I'll ask u director Pat Ruiz of the inspectional services department
together let me set the table counselors so I put this on the agenda the reason why I did was that you know we are we are dealing comprehensively with u with our housing stock uh with our
populations and we're also dealing with um what that all means with parking what that means with schools and and educational facilities um what it deals with um trash pickup etc the list goes on and on but housing is the key part of
this and what we don't know necessarily is how how um many dwelling units that we have that may not comport with our current um ordinances and so I put something on the agenda it's the the
background is in the resolution that I drafted but I also asked uh Director Ruiz to be here today to to kind of start the conversation we're not going to get to a resolution today but the idea behind this is to understand what we have as tools today and then if those
tools are working um let's know about that the tools aren't working what do we need to either change the tools or what do we need to do to provide support to make those tools work so uh Director Ruiz um I asked you to come here today and I thank you for being here hope you're feeling
better and um talk to us a little bit about housing stock and what do we know from your perspective ISD regarding all the housing stock that we have apartments I'm thinking primarily not necessarily single family homes that may have apartments that are um I'm going to
use the right words here um non-compliant housing yeah um good evening counselors uh thank you for inviting me um so in Lawrence um where much of the housing stock is older uh many of the property uh requirements for
maintenance and repairs um um is uh the properties you know has passed uh hasn't passed the required inspections so the the instructional services um department we have a rental registration
um um ordinance that was passed back in uh I think it was maybe 2015 I think it was um so you know in in my opinion I was there then for 4 years um it hasn't it hasn't it hasn't worked um I think um
that we should you know rewrite the ordinance um there's a lot of fees in there it hasn't been really uh it hasn't really been um um uh what do you say the it hasn't been
enforced hasn't been enforced um so um as we know there's a lot of illegal apartments in Lawrence you know the atticss the basements i was a firefighter for 32 years i did fire investigations i I've seen numerous of illegal apartments in the basement the
atticss uh porches um there's a illegal apartments everywhere and with that it brings um a additional parking spaces um that you know that the city can't um you know control you know they're parking everywhere now um and uh so I think we
need to um reook at the rental registration ordinance um in my opinion it's not working um and you know we we should rewrite it and try to make it a little bit simpler and easier to enforce as you know I sent an email to every
everyone all the city councilors the the um the federal government has cut the grant we have five five um five inspectors they're on the grant right now um um as contact tracers and they help out doing inspections uh at the end
of the at the end of June 30 they they're going to be uh laid off um so we're going to be you know less five inspectors um so that's going to you know really decimate the department um so um you know I think we even need
we need all all we need all the parties to sit down together and uh try to figure this thing out i can't do it by myself um and maybe we could uh you know have a seat and talk about this maybe change the regulations maybe change you know the ordinance change it around
there's a lot of different ordinances around that I've looked at um that's basically it so I just what I want to do is I I'm not expecting we're going to solve this problem tonight what I what I I think the time that we're going to take here
even if it's a short amount of time is to to articulate the challenge that we have the problem that we have and I don't think I don't think anybody's going to argue with what you just said that we have a lot of illegal apartments we may not know the number yeah we don't know the number we we know that that's
causing that there's a ripple effect of issues i mean I remember when I was acting mayor in February of a couple years ago there was a Crosby street fire at Easter time there was one apartment complex where there were 60 people in there yes one
and thank goodness thank God nobody was hurt and there was no fatalities it was amazing that nothing I mean it was property damage for sure but what we're trying we're we're we're facing this issue we're facing this issue of trying to provide housing but yet it's there's
not enough and then people are jamming a pe folks in and it's not safe as well and so it's one tool is um the governor signed a uh um uh uh a new law um addressing uh accessory dwelling units they call them ADUs um so anybody that
has a single family home um they are able to uh um uh build a 900 square unit um you know uh dwelling unit um by right so they all they need is a permit and plans and everything so the a single families they they could do that the
only thing is the two and three family uh right now we went in front of planning um for to change uh not yeah the planning board it it passed the planning board for the two and three families and now um um I think we're um just working with Dan McCarthy and we're
going to uh bring uh something in front of the city council soon on the on the ADUs yes so I I want to let give the floor here to Mr del Rosario in a second i we're not going to talk ADUs are a component of course yeah we're going to have a long discussion about AD use when
that comes before us so we're gonna have a very robust discussion about whether or not that's a good idea not a good idea or do we need to amend it so I want to park that right now council Del Rosario through you Chair and I was going to I was going to go after I read your resolution I was going to go through that
before we get to this resolution it have to be some type of communication going out because the community is going to be confused i know it's people right now looking for information to try to make those illegals apartment legal due to the ADU yes uh signage of the government so people are confused out there mhm um
so somehow before we take the resolution something have to come out there and tell the people that I don't know in personal services cuz that's where they going to try to rebuild or make the the the uh the attic legal or the basement legal or those garages that they
converted into apartments right because they they now they could do that basically right yeah so somehow we need to I'm sorry the director but sometimes before we take the resolution we got to tell people that no that's have nothing to do with it this is this is when it comes to illegal apartments it it's it's
going to be confusing and I see we're not going to go anywhere tonight and I'm glad uh the chair said that but before we implement any resolution when it comes to a we need to clarify to people what was signed by the government by the governor mhm and and and it's this I
seen them collapsing all day every day yeah so um so once that passed um you know we created a flyer we've been handing to everybody that comes in to pull a permit um we put it on Facebook um we went in front of planning uh for it we're going to come in front of city council to address that um so we're
doing everything we can to you know to publicize that um that's you know just one solution there you know there's many other solutions um uh yeah and so once you know uh right now we know that you know they're there you know the people are living in the in the basement we've seen it every time we
have a fire um you know we have tons of families um um they they're getting charged i think it's like uh $800 just for a room um so you know they're paying a lot of money for these little rooms and they don't have anything you know we take them we take the owners uh that people that do this we bring them in
front of the the board of health um and make them you know either get rid of the illegal apartments um it you know it's it's a real big issue um you know all over you know the big cities in Massachusetts i council vice chair thank you
uh and also I wanted to see uh when you think you have the next proposal to uh presenting to us to give you the same opportunity to our constituent they have uh multif family to include the basement
or add it illegal so I I I think it's on the I think it's on the agenda already i'm pretty sure it's on the agenda the ADU the ADUs yes i don't believe that it is not on our agenda i I Okay um so so um Dan McCath is driving that yes I know
yeah so yeah he's driving that so actually I think it it may be tabled go ahead okay yeah yeah so yeah I know he's driving that cuz he's a zoning officer right so you know he had to rewrite the zoning ordinances for that so I'm waiting we're waiting on him yeah so the fire department myself and Dan will be
coming down once um once you know once um he you know brings it in front of the the council right there oh okay so so just so my colleagues are sure this is I don't want to get down although it's related the are related to this you're you're
suggesting it might be a part of the solution that's what I'm hearing yes I may not agree with that but I I hear you um it's 52024 it's under tabled matters on November 7th as page three of our agenda so it's been tabled here for a while we've been asked to keep it here
yes we're waiting for Mr mccarthy to to give us whatever other information the administration is looking to provide for us so that we can act on it so we're we're waiting and it's here but the ADU thing is already into law currently and the question is is that this is going to be an expansion of what the governor has
signed into law essentially yes so yeah that's important that we talk about it but we're not going to talk about ADUs tonight because we'll have a whole item on that later yeah okay so I think you know the main thing is you know um we got to um revamp the register
registration um but if we don't have the bodies to do the work then it's not going to go nowhere so one of the challenges that we're facing is is that we don't know the universe we don't know how many and I don't know how we're going to get to
knowing that um and then I'm a bit of a realist and a pra pragmatically we're not going to get rid of illegal apartments like this yes it's going to be a process because you're talking about individuals who are living there and they need to have some sort of notice and the reason why this is
important is because that fire that I saw firsthand that some of us saw firsthand we know how tragic that could have been and that's always out there we're just one this is a city that's had her you know you're a fire department yes you understand the history of fires in this city and how tragic those are
and we don't need anymore as we try to avoid them so we need to figure out what the number is and then what tools do we need to give you so that you can go ahead and I know it's not going to happen overnight i'll repeat myself but what tools do we need to give you so that you can figure out
you know what's out there and how we can how we can work toward fixing this maybe it's a 5year situation yeah I think we have we need to create you know a code enforcement task force um with the the fire department the building department the police department um and go out
there and just hit neighborhoods and and start knocking on doors and and you know find them because there's no other way to know there's no other way to to do it do we have the we have the laws on the books right now the reason 20 The reason why in 2000 I think it was 16 it could have been 15 the reason why we had that
was this was during the Rivera administration yes we had that there because we understood that that we needed to make sure that the housing structure was safe for people and it passed this council yes it did and it was signed into as an ordinance by the mayor yes and but it would never really
got it out so what are we going to do i don't want I whatever we do I don't want it to fall flat in its face again i want it to be successful well right now we have one person um because we have so many other things you know we have uh the food inspectors the housing inspectors um we have you know house the
the we have three housing in I mean three food inspectors that they you know they they need to inspect 500 um restaurants we have all the housing stock that they do people when people move out they you know they're required to get an occupancy permit that's how
you know when we go um and we we do the occupancy permit that the people that do do it that's when we catch a lot of these things um or um just by you know people calling we get we get a lot of calls you know people you know complain and say that you know um that you know there's a lot
of people living there there's a lot of cars um so that's how we find out um you know we could go knock on the doors but if they tell us if they tell us you know we can't go in we can't go in then we we have to go to court get administrative warrant to go in so it makes it complicated how
um how often have we been able to um to determine there's been unlawful apartments and what have we done what I want to do is I want to start a benchmark and then I want us to grow on that so let's say for this quarter the first quarter of this fiscal of this
calendar year 5 2 0 20 how many of the legal apartments have we identified uh I'd say we must have found maybe at least 20 maybe 20 so we found 20 apartments through your work and the fire
department or just the fire department when they do their inspections okay um and then they they find when the fire department goes out and does their uh they call them smoke inspections um when some they when someone sells a house they have to get by law they have to get a a smoke certificate once they do that
then when they find illegal pments they they let us know then we we we send another another agency that's helping out a lot is the gas company the gas company now um um when they go and and do and they're changing the meters and bringing them outside they see illegal apartments in the basement stuff like
that then they let us know the police department you know working with the police department they let us know so you know we're getting a lot of calls from a lot of different agencies what I would like to do is periodically this is the action item that I would like this evening i would like to see us have a
report back um you know what would be really good you do the the quarterly reports that I wasn't all crazy about but let's let's use that to our advantage in the quarterly reports that you issue to us can we get the number each quarter so whenever you're going to do it is it I'm
not sure when the next time you're doing it is it April for I think it's April yeah so you I mean the end of April it's due i think the end of April can we can you put a section in there that talks about that yeah I could put a section in there that talks about that and I give you um we use um you know citizen serve
as a permitting and licensing um platform so um I could you know I could put in there all the units that have been inspected um we don't you know we don't necessarily um track illegal apartments but I can try to figure out with citizen
serve to see how we can attract you know um tracks um illegal apartments um maybe that's a way every time we see one every time somebody reports one maybe you know there's another column that we could add you know and and see to track it i would love that i think that just getting some
attention on that would be very good mhm i think actually writing it down and putting it in there would be really good it starts to make sure that we as a city are putting a focus on that because right now I mean earlier you said about 20 so we know that there's at least 20 yes right and so I would imagine your
inspectional services report would say we've identified 20 unlawful apartments and then what happened after you did that did you what happened to the individuals what happened when that happened so the housing code inspectors they follow up they do their inspections um they work with the landlord if the landlord doesn't comply we issue
correction orders which are tickets um and they're at least $300 a day um and you know some of them are way up um and then eventually um if they don't comply then we take them to um housing court
okay so that would I I can only speak for myself maybe others share this i would love to see that in a written document i would love to see that quarterly and then I would also as a as a district counselor I would love to see how many of those are in my district i
would love to know when you got those when you received those 20 over the last three months how many of them are in my district now I I can tell we can tell that there's unlawful apartments when I knock on doors when I when I when I do that i do that every I've been doing
that a lot so when I go into the neighborhoods and I see stuff you know I'm not necessarily ratting them out i'm not reporting it but I can see it and I know it's happening yeah so you know right now it's you know because there's so many it's been let go for so long so you know we're being reactive you know
we we're going to try to be proactive but right now we're just trying to catch up every day you know we you know there every day is an emergency every day we get new things we get you know we get at least 10 15 20 complaints a day so some those sometime those things take priority um so you know we're working on
it you know we're working on it and to make this so that's one action item the second action item is if you can come back to us maybe in a month or two um let's give some space yes give us some suggestions maybe other communities who are similar
to our city have done have done something that's been working for them yes i I would like to if we're not going to implement our current law we need to get rid of it yes having a law on the books that we're not abiding by is it's it's
it's but finding something that works let's let's find out something that works i think it works simplified they it was too complicated too many fees too too much administrative work we don't have the administrative staff to you need some get that and the force prosecutor and you know we could you
know get that going and work together so let's let's make that an action now we we would not so if you bring that to us some of your suggestions as to things that you think should be tweaked mhm uh we wouldn't need to enter that as a new item but I think having the conversation among the four of us here uh would be a
good sounding board you've got you got three district counselors you have an lounge counselor you've got a pretty good breath of of a sounding board north and south good combinations right here so um if you could bring that to our next at another meeting and have that rate let me know when you're ready for
that okay and then we we can have a discussion and then if it works really well we can introduce that as a new item okay and then go through the proper mechanisms to change the ordinances if we think that's the right way to go well I' I've been working on the ordinance okay um with um as you know Michael was
the director before so he he's you know he's well verssed in you know writing ordinances so I'm I'm seeking his help he's helping me we're doing it together so we're still trying to tweak it um once we get it going then I'll I'll send it to you and and the counselors and you could look at it you know and and then
we could bring it up to the next you know uh bring it down to the council sure that sounds like a like an excellent plan uh councilor we're going to table this in a moment but I want anybody else to have a chance to speak if they wish to on this matter seeing none I'm going to so uh we'll we'll look
to invite you again month or two um or give me a call when you you got something ready to go and we can set that in looking for a motion at the table motion made by council Santiago second by Vice Chair Reyes all in favor say I oppos no thank you councilors have a
good night you guys have it director appreciate it i don't think we have any other city officials here this evening uh we're going to go through um through the normal agenda this should not take a long time I don't think uh the first item that for someone that's here is argument
12825 preach the word of God uh various dates um Abner Merced Elgarin good night Con good evening good evening how are you
i'm just That's all right so step number one you want to go in Campion but you're not going you're going to be not in a staging area right no yeah see that okay the city cler she explained to me that they're going to do construction on those days so she said that we can use
like a site on the side so it's not going to be the the same the same uh event that we used to do like last year okay but we're going to try to do something but no no not with chairs not with nothing okay i'm looking the the the most one of
the most important places to go is make sure the place is available did you get okayed by the uh recreation department no because always they said to come here first then after here we go over there okay who said that to you last year they do the same thing they said that to you
they said come here first well you have to come here so that's true but you also Yeah we had the approval then we go over there last year I can I come two two two times like let's says today and then next week I have to come again because the other I don't know is it going to be the same thing this year well just so
you understand the process and for others who may not be familiar the process is um you really should fill out the citizen serve to the best of your ability to try to get the sign offs because what we do is what we look at the signoffs we make the when I say we the council this is the committee of the
council yes so we make a recommendation to the full council which we all serve on and we say to the full council we we have all the signoffs everything seems to be in order we recommend that we provide a permit for this group for this date at this time so you would come
today and then if we p if we move it up the next meeting is next Tuesday which is why you're coming twice yes once to us at the committee and the second time to the full council so what what I want to clear up is that you should have most of the stuff filled
out with the going and it looks like you have you got approved on on some of the stuff so I'm just looking for the recreation you might have gotten approved let me see do is anybody see recreation on here yeah because sorry to interrupt you also we got we got other
dates it's not just that day we got all the days on agenda it says um start on May so there's more more more days around because we go all around like other parks around to preach uh Low Street
with Oxor uh the Rivendo Park i got the list over here too campus Square North Parish Road the the the park that is close to the high the Lawrence High we use that too sure
plansman Park that is around White Street and Ches Street and also we going to we're going to use um around where the the church is our church is located at 46 48 Fix Street all all of the uh the days uh we are
using those places without blocking the uh the sidewalks you are will not be blocking no you're not blocking no no no close no close the roads no nothing just go preach for two hours the only day is the July 19th it's
going to supposed to be from 2 to 6 but uh because the construction we have to change that so it's from 2 to 6 or a different time yeah it's from two to two to six but yeah it's going to be construction around maybe we do it we get the two to
six but maybe we end at maybe four five okay so I I'm going to let my colleagues ask a question here in a second but the one thing that I'm looking for is you got a lot of approvals but the one that I'm looking for is the one from the recreation department if my colleagues see that and I'm not seeing it please
point that out because I'm not seeing it it's empty um everything else is either received or completed except for that one and that's to me the most important one the reason why that's important is what I don't want what we don't want is
we want to make sure that the part there's no conflicts that we already didn't issue a permit for that location or you know we need to make sure they're all on the same page so that we're not duplicating the permission to use that i understand yeah and you have like 10 i
There's a lot here i so I just need to make sure that each one of those days at that time there's no conflict so what I would ask um it's up to my colleagues what they want to do we may send this up to the full council with a favorable recommendation pending we get some sort of correspondent something from the
recreation department saying yeah on 10th planesman park is good 24th lower street and Oxford Street i'm not sure what park there is there but okay uh June 14th Campbell Square so we don't if you're on a see these squares like Campbell Square that's not a park
right no that's that's a corner you know where is uh Lawrence and Park Street right there is a big parking we we do like uh uh twice last year twice and we don't we don't block the the we don't block the sidewalks we So where do you do it if you're not if you're if it's a
corner you're not on a sidewalk where are you there is there's there's there's you know the there is a um a health a health clinic over there there's a big parking around so we just put like a parking lot yeah yeah it's in
that corner is it a city- owned parking lot or is it a privately owned parking lot you know no it's the corner right there it's it's a place that you don't you don't has to block the uh you don't have to block the the sidewalk yeah and so the point here is if it's a privately owned we don't have any control over if
you do it at a privately owned parking lot we have no control that's our jurisdiction does anybody know that one where the satellite is you know where the satellite is i think it's uh Melo Melo uh Bodega supermarket there's a satellite that is right there in
Lawrence and Park where the clinic that corner over there with the satellite right there you see you see right there there is a corner family health center so it's not it's it's privately owned is the point so you're going to be on a privately owned property the parking lot's not owned by the city
we don't think it's the corner close to the but is not inside the parking you know where is the parking right yes I think I know what you're talking about there is a there is a fence and there is a street there is Lawrence Street and Park right there is a corner that we we
u last year we used it and the year before is the same thing always it's it's not if I have to go um on this day to the uh recreational program because like I said if I knew that I come here with that but last year wasn't like that the year before wasn't
like this they we submit the permit and we come here and then um they request me to go over there and and for the next meeting like let's says next week bring the approval from them well that's unfortunately that's what we're going to be doing today only because you don't
have it what I don't think my colleagues want to do I don't we haven't asked them but I don't think what they want to do is delay what you want so I think they want to move this forward the only reason why we're talking like this is we want to make sure that you satisfy the
condition so we're not telling you we're parking it here then come back here i think we may be sending it up to the full council when's your first one may 10th we do have time we do have some time um but I just want you to be clear our
jurisdiction as a council only exists on public property and parks the sidewalks are the police department so but you're not on the sidewalk no you're going to be on a on a park now you're going to be in this one
case you're going to be on a parking lot it sounds like a a corner of a parking lot and that's we don't own that so that's not permission from us if it's a park so Plansman Park yes c uh Rivendo Park yes
campon Park yes sullivan Park yes row Park uh those are all yeses l Street and Oxford Street I is that the handball courts the corner you remember you know now I think it's uh there's a a shelter there they build over there i remember
you know where where the fire I think was a fire fire department place fireplace or firehouse over there yes now it's a shelter we we always do over there but for me it's no problem if I have to you know cancel those because what we want is to preach the word of God there is no you know what I mean
we're not we're not looking to stop that all we're trying to do is I just want to make sure you're clear as to how far our jurisdiction is and so there's no park at that corner there's a building and then there's a there's a square there's a there's a a sidewalk in a corner and a building so that's where you want to
preach we don't control the police does we don't control the the sidewalk and then if you're on the part property of where the shelter is we don't own the when I say we the city we don't own the shelter so that's not a city-owned property so if you do something there we
can't give you permission for something we don't own i understand all we can do is we look at the parks that we can do right so um I got a picture coming which one is that street
okay so there's a little grassy null right there can you all see that i'm going to presume we own that what's that c that square compass square camp that's where and we always go over there and clean we
always found out trash and we bring bags and we clean and in the other place that we are we were talking about in Lawrence low lower street we always ask the person over there even they gave us uh power they let us use the power you know what I mean and yeah we always talk to
them is they with them are good and they you know but there's no problem there going to be a problem with that so so we so in that particular one based on the picture that we just saw so there is a there's there's a there's a parking lot there's a bench with some grass and then there's a sidewalk so yes the bench with
the grass probably owned by the city because we've got a bench we got a marker there we probably own that so yeah we do need to give you permission if you're going to be on the grass section so yes but that still remains the same can you go back to the to back to recreation and just to make sure I'm
pretty sure no one's using that particular square that day but can you on the on all of these that you're looking for if it's if it's just if it's a a grass or a park just make sure it's not being utilized and get something and bring it
to the next city council meeting can you sure that's all we're looking for so I'm looking for council you can make the motion you've heard the discussion so question discussion go ahead question that I had for you and also anybody from churches looking for permission but I
have this question for you speakers are you going to be using speakers yeah two speakers last year we have tons of complaints about how loud how loud the churches would at doing the preaching with which
I'm I'm all for it but when it comes phone calls to us that is too loud around or you using the speakers where the people are not facing you it's it's concerning and what happened last year I'm trying to prevent that this year um
and and I'm a church guy i I mean I love church but when it comes to complaints we got phones that rings 24/7 when people complains and then most of the churches went to the people said "We got permission we give you permission to use the park we didn't give you permission to be so loud as some of you are i'm not
saying you or anybody in particular that's why I say all the churches are here looking for permission keep that in mind um trying to have the speakers facing you not the people and try to be mindful of how loud they are because there's on those places around it like now you're not going to be on the stage
the stage was a chaos last year when the people were on the in and in the stage there was two or three churches on the park and none of them wants to take blame for the noise there was and it was outrageous cuz I went to an activity at the park and the activity that we were doing it was called pattern uh
fatherhood daddy day we couldn't listen to the message that that gentleman was saying to the to the fathers that were there on that day because the church was so loud after that that I went home there was police was called we were called all day so we want to mean we
want to be mindful of that or how noisy it gets also on the streets people crossing by and the speakers facing them it's it's we got to be mindful of the people cuz we gave the permission we love churches we attend churches but we also
don't like complaints yeah and that's uh that's one of the thing that they gave us orientation about the speaker we don't have that big speakers they're not big enough but let's say it's sometimes the same problem because our church is located in a place that sometimes we has to deal with the no church activity
where the speaker are too loud and you know what I mean and we we we have those those concern and we don't do the same thing yeah but right now Yeah and I understand and I respect your comment and that's great but we giving you permission to use it those people they are making noises around your churches
they don't come here to ask permission so what I want you what I want every church or everybody asking for permission to be mindful of that we don't give those people right next to a church permission and and the way that we're going to give it to you or anybody cuz we don't deny those permission it's just to be mindful of how loud it is i
mean you might don't feel it that loud but one phone call is too many and they call us or they call the police and thank God the police are I know what you're saying i understand but thank God in the years that we've been doing this we don't police you know to go over
there and tell us about like shut it off the the the volume or shut it off the equipment because we know about that you know and is for some reason people thinks that they are we do it we we put the volume you know what I mean okay motion to send a phone call with a
federal recommendation pending um recreation department um availability second motion made by council del Rosario second by vice chair Reyes any discussion see none I'll call the question all in favor say I i oppose no the eyes have it next Tuesday 7:00
please come here and please make sure you get that so two things get an email send it an email to us send it to those of us on the committee andor the clerk or to Teresa our our confidential secretary just get it there and when you
show up have a hard copy so that's something for someone that doesn't have it we can say "Oh yeah I see that you got the permissions you're clear on all those dates and all those locations." Okay thank you very much have a good night you got it next um on the docket is
1:30 25 one voice walking celebration June 21st at Okonnell Park good evening good evening sir um I don't expect too much angry can I uh call my my friend and he can Okay
pleasure thank you well so we are here because we want to how the the child as the title says where he has one voice so what we want to do is a walk in favor
of the youth in Lawrence um so this will start at 773 Essex Street 774 Street we'll go all the way down Exit Street
then we'll take Union Street go across um the bridgeto corner and this will finish with a concert um type like event at um Okconor Park we don't just want to do an activity but call the attention to all
the youth in Lawrence and as youth leaders we have a big team and what we want to do um uh youth leaders in Lawrence gather um see what everything that is happening in the city and the issues we want to
gather everyone together so there's a lot of need in the city um emotionally um we see it all the time and sorry about my translation um she speaks so fast but um we see a lot of need in the city and what we want to do is just bring this event um and bring
awareness of what's happening so it's not just an advanced initiative um for us to catch their attention and plant a seed in their hearts okay so just so we're just so we're clear uh the police department has
jurisdiction over the parade route so the streets the sidewalks you may have heard a little bit of the conversation so we all we are going to be discussing tonight is the end of your um end of the um the parade march which is at Okonnell
Park okay my colleague wants to say something no it was about that it was about it was about crossing the streets directing traffic how's that going to happen that's that's But we don't have nothing to do with the march so it's So
we have nothing to do with the march mhm does that make sense so you we have some they're here for a different reason tonight but you might be able to get some attention from them if you ask and they can might be able to help you out a little bit get give you some direction who to talk to how to do that they might have you have so they might be able to
help you out but So we're not going to help you on that but we can try to work with you on the on Okonnell so on Okonnell Park the same question you may have asked before have you gone to the recreation department is there did they give I I
don't see an okay from them did you talk to the recreation yeah um we submitted the application and we're um we waited for the call to be here so part of the team is looking to see if that came up um but they don't see
anything as of yet what is this this is June we have We got again we got a little bit of time you're You're good because we got some time here so colleagues we have a couple things we can we can table it here uh we can move it up we can wait i want to get recre we should all get recreation department's
approval force first um so I'll enter I'm I'm good either way council we can through your chair so we can move it up so why is the process the way it is now why they come in here and then they go over there when they when they should be
getting the okay from the recreation and then getting it over here but that's okay um 774 Ex are you guys part of the church of um We have a lot of friends that go to that church yes okay and why
is that why is getting out of there just a question cuz I I belong to the church so that's what the church that I just said so I just want to know cuz I don't know nothing about it but maybe because I'm not you I'm one of the youth you know so but I want to know Pastor Tas is involved who's involved in all of that
even though he's not he's not part of the youth either but yeah i hate the council my name is Graciella and I represent Aal it's uh also back in this over here you got to speak into the mic this is a
public meeting once again my name is Graciella i was a pastor of do the translation please um so she's part of Ahmedal and she um basically Amedal is working now with this with the youth in the city um and I
was a pastor here in Lawrence as well um I'm sorry I I forgot uh Mr la Plant yeah my name is Gracilla once again I was a pastor of the ch uh churchio deuiva here in Lawrence and tonight I represent
Amidal amid have an extension which is called committee of uh Amidal juvenile ju juvenile youth and uh we are requesting this uh time to be
specifically oriented to the to the youth and we are trying to unify all the the juveniles in order to provide them more uh more services let's said more
services so they can prepare they uh are suffering many emotions situations and we are trying to provide them counseling services we are providing between the counseling service also of spiritual guidance that's what
we are trying to do with the Jew here in Lawrence amen and I and I love that the only thing is that I didn't know anything about it but that's okay um so we send it up so you want to so
you want to make So So Uh yeah so maybe part of the reason why you don't a lot of people still don't know about this event is because we don't want to tell anyone before it's approved by the city that this is actually happening um we want to be mindful of the things that are happening in the city before because
it's going to be something big and we at the moment we just talking about it among the some of the youth leaders in the church before we present it to everyone because we do want this to be a very impactful event thank you looking for a motion motion
center full council of f recommendation pending recreation department availar second by councelor Santiago and as an aside I've been speaking an awful lot i'm sorry I'm awful like the conversation kudos to you folks for that was like the A+ response do you know how
often we have people who already print the flyers out and say we're doing stuff and then they come before us and ask for permission and they say "Oh no we've already printed the flyers out we already have the stuff on the streets and before." And so thank you for not taking us for granted and for doing things the right way kudos to you motion
have been made properly second all in favor say I i no the eyes have it see you see you on Tuesday thank you so much all right uh next one is document 13125 fiesta shows Saman Hespana at Capernon common
speaking hello welcome hello jeremy Nuri Lopez 98 Cambridge Street Lawrence Mas43 okay so are you're looking to have a carnival on the common yes sir okay
did you go to a recreation department i I I loaded the question up because I already talked to them so I know the answer the answer is no they told me that you have not talked with them so I'm not going to lead you into a bad place so recreation department has not talked to you about having a carnival on
the common yes we have okay and what was the response from them i texted Marta and she said that um the papers were signed last time I spoke with her what papers were signed the
application that was sent to her i asked her "Did you see the application?" And she answered to me "Yes." "Did you sign it?" "Yes." So what did she sign the application form that's what she said do you have a
copy of it i don't have a copy of it no and this is not So what's the difference between this year and last year when it comes to the carnivals on the common there was no carnival rides last year and it was perfectly known that there
was not going to be any and not this year either but yet I'm surprised to see that we have another application for carnivals rides on the common especially this year we got a lot of stuff going on in the comics with the rec with the new Yes uh I was told that
the park was going to be remodeled in July and we were supposed to do the carnival in um August so we were told to do it back in the same day that we had okay and so when I when we spoke
everything was uh sent set to be sent in um and I was told only the city councils are the ones that approved the park that is 100% correct so as we you may have heard we talked about jurisdiction and
we do have jurisdiction over the parks um and so um we didn't do the fiesta shows at the common last year is Fiesta here this evening are they still doing your show are they here is John here mr flynn knew that he was supposed to be here he told
me that he was supposed to be here okay cuz I'm just Anyway so we're not supposed to be having any carnivals on the park and the reason why I think it's important to be to talk to recreation department is to find an alternative location um and have you had that
conversation if it's not the common where where will you have it uh no we did not have that conversation martha asked me so where are we going to do the rights if it gets approved and uh
the answer was where there's no plants um because of the I know the trees that were planted and then her answer was "Oh okay." That was the last of when we had the meeting and so it's okay meaning I'm
not sure i mean again you're 100% right i mean having these discussions with department heads are a good thing but ultimately the decision makers are the four that are here and the five that are not with us the entire council so it's not while it's good to get input they don't make the decision um as much as we
respect our department heads um I don't think I think my colleagues know how I feel about this for a number of years now this is not the first time so I'm I'm Anybody have any comments questions um on this matter or a motion
if not if you want to say something no okay i want to to to double check with recreation department because last year was denied and also I want to know I if the K for this year you have another
plan to use another place no there's no other places in our community we can figure out we don't we don't have any other places remember last year what happened well last year we were told oh you didn't go on time that's why was this year we were trying to go on time and
then even the mayor told us I don't give permission for the park the park the ones that give permission for the park is the city council so that's why we were trying to do everything on time there's no other I mentioned because I passing by for activity I saw in one
Canada street I think was there they had carnival and and something like that i need to double check no confused that was uh where the COVID test was supposed to be done that place that's the one you're talking about in this area i saw a wonderful We were told that's MEA
right uh we were told uh for the May carnival we could do it there once Mr flynn put his rides there Ma came and said that they never said that and so he had to pay $10,000 to move them back to the cinema so we went back to square one
okay through your chair council govern and and one conversation that I don't like when we come here to ask for permission and I mentioned you that is money um money and that's we trying to you
know bring it to the people have fun but the the bottom line always comes up and that's a conversation I don't like to have here let's let's bring up the good things that we're going to bring why it have to be always money and Mr flynn Mr flynn is making money regardless how much he pays and you guys defend him and
and you guys defend him as much as it is uh but again the conversation should be with Marta marta should have sent us something here and said this is what happened and we don't have anything from the recreation department and then from there we make a decision i'm all for it
if it comes to that point but you also have to come up with a plan B if company on park is somehow is not available where you going to take the rides and like in Mr flynn dead he brought it from Canal Street and he brought it to the Jeopard site over there by the Cinemax
sean Spana needs to have a plan B just in case and right now it's like this is the only place that we have and that's the only is that that place or no other the Yeah so so let's go back to Martha and say Martha send the city council
something in writing don't send me Don't text me and give me an okay send them something in writing make them have have them make the decision on it okay yes um the the carnival well the festivals is in the park so we what we
were trying to do was to have the rights as we were supposed to last year and yet it's not only about the money that we would be making or the money that Mr flynn is bringing to the city no this is and it has always been about the community and as you guys remember what
happened last year everybody well most of the community didn't go to the festival and it was because of the rights were not there and the attraction for that community and the families were not there that's all but last year we had the same conversation i'm going to lose $10,000 mr flynn is No it was Mr
flynn is not going to make $20,000 now Mr flynn put the machine somewhere but he have to pay $10,000 no no no that was the problem with MEA but yeah what you mentioned but I'm saying I mean at the end of the day that's all I'm hearing what I'm hearing is what I don't like to hear i mean it's you know but that's
what happened mr mr flynn also should have a plan B just in case things don't go as planned oh no he does i mean you know and he has to have extra an extra $10,000 just in case he needs to remove his right cuz he's made 40 67 100 something,000 that's why he keep coming
into the city two and three times a year to make his money but I mean I think Martha's the one that should sending something in writing um and and just in case also have a plan B and and a recommendation just in case
if you guys want to stay with with the park depends on Mara recommendation we can have the conversation and go from there but we don't we don't have anything from the recreation department and writing which we also had a meeting so that's why to my surprise when Teresa called me and told me so I called Ederly
and I left the message because to me everything was fine and everything was all set no it's also in the agenda when No no no no i'm not talking about the agenda i'm talking about Teresa calls you when your item is in the agenda for you to be No no besides that because she told me there's something that is not
approved from one department so call Ely and I did uh when I when we met with uh um s with Jay we met at the center and everything was said and that's what I'm saying so to me this is all new and what
I and to you guys and what I recommend and they never do and if you have seen me here what I recommend to people not just manipana even the church I say when you go to recreation tell them the email something and have a copy on your hand this is what we talked about if we don't get the email you have it on your hands
cuz right now like you said there's there's nothing here that you had a conversation with Martha when when also I'm going to assume Martha is instructed not to have any machines on the All right so I don't know why she gave you the okay and that's why we needed it in writing
okay okay you want to speak councelor Santiago good evening and welcome thank you and I think you have to show us like proof you
have to bring the paper if she says something you have to show us because we need to to make the decision with with with the proof i am unfavor manage but we need the the
proof and another thing we need to to say is about we remember how everything was last year but now that's another another
year another opportunity to do the the activity um calm and we need to learn about the issue we have the last year just we I
would like to ask you if you can bring the the proof Marta say you but you don't have the pro and if you can bring for the full console maybe we can make some decision
i would like to see that okay so my understanding now is that Marta is the one that approved the park it's not you guys is that what you're saying marta does through Marta doesn't approve we approve the park but we also follow the recommendation of the recreation department we have none
okay got it availability and recommendation from the from the from the uh recreation department you heard me talking to the church and also asking the chair why think is backwards why they don't go to recreation department bring proof of what the conversation or whatever paperworks you have more than
more than the stuff ready approved here on your application but we don't have anything from the recreation department interesting okay uh are we looking for a motion to table motion to table second motion made by
council vice chair seconded by council Santiago all in favor say I i didn't second i'm sorry i second it i'm sorry you second who' I say i second i Let's try that let's rewind pretend it didn't even happen motion was made by
Council Vice Chair Re seconded by Council Del Rosario all in favor say I i no uh roll call vote please council Reyes yes council G Rosario yes fulfilling the
no markup plan yes motion to table carries okay next item say stick around you got one more here I think don't you you have one more document 132 this is again the use of sana hispan
the campon comment excuse me on June 14th and 15th this is everything but the carnival rides right this is the just the festival portion of it okay motion to send full council with a favorable recommendation second uh could you put a pending by the recreation department because pending
pending the availability of recreation department motion made by councilor del Rosario with a favorable recommendation pending a recreation department um approval approval but recommendation seconded by vice chair Reyes discussion just as a reminder you can send that to
us or you can bring it next Tuesday either way preferably both would be awesome belt and suspenders oh no i'll get it tomorrow okay but we want to get it so the question is can you get it either you can either bring it to us next Tuesday or preferably email it to us as well yeah prior to Not a problem
thank you all in favor say I i no the eyes have it see you next Tuesday thank you all right good night okay we have a lot of folks that are here for cabs and liveries thank you for staying away for the whole time um it's
not easy i'm going to ask the police department if they can kind of be the MC on this i we have um I'm just looking for Here they are i think they're all on here so um Good evening ladies and gentlemen good
evening i guess we'll just go in order um it makes sense right so is there uh we're going to go in order this is your on page two of the agenda um there's no objection we'll go with start with 10225 american taxi renewal uh of taxi liberty
is American taxi represented here this evening yes they are yes okay let me just pull up the document real quick and if they can if they can come up to the mic that'd be awesome 103 so just just so we're clear uh offic
Sergeant we're they they've everything is signed off on here yes everything uh they're in compliance with everything there's no issues with the police department uh and so on this one right here the certificate of inspection there was a sign here that says if they have a occupancy permit is that did you include
that as part of the packet this is American uh yes sir i have them at 49 Blanchard Street it says here I'm just looking at the cover page and it has the application and it has check marks next to them and then it says certificate of inspection as an asterisk and it says if your company has had an
up-to-date occupancy permit please make a photo copy and attach it to this application and ignore i'm not it's kind of conflicting but yes they uh they have to have it inspected every few years so if it's expired they have to have it reinspected it's not a yearly thing
but I guess it was just a question of whether or not they've attached it to this thing do they have I'm I'm looking through it now for uh certificate of inspection is that the same thing yes as an occupancy permit yes okay so they do have it
okay every 5 years okay um thank you so uh who's here from the the the company pasquali mr pasquali okay so I'll direct my comments to both of you but to you specifically so thank you for being here
this evening as you know uh this is for all the we're probably going to take a little more time with you than others you're the first one so we appreciate you being here today we appreciate what you bring to the city we appreciate the fact that you have a business that provides a service uh especially in our
city where there is a lot of cars and if we can get people driving less cars and utilize your service uh that actually reduces uh some of the some of the struggles that we're facing as a as a city with parking and with congestion so your service is important so thank you
um I'm going to start off with that i haven't heard anything specifically about your company nor about anybody's specific companies i usually get information about there's a tag company and they're doing something they don't tell me what the cab company is necessarily so I sometimes I don't have that at my fingertips but what I wanted
and my colleagues will have their piece of the concern as well but I just want you to hear from us well at least for me um one of the things is the honking of the horns uh I'm sorry i apologize is the we don't do the horns because um we use an
application so you have an app that you have kind of like I would be familiar with Uber or Lyft where they so you don't honk horns you just go ahead and you text the person or whatever exactly that's brilliant so that's awesome all right so
so this is less of a thing to you thank you for taking the 21st century leap in texting that's awesome um so that that's a big one the second thing that that I'm hearing a lot or when I drive is double parking now the police aren't always around for that but
sometimes you'll have cars and cabs who are parked along the side and it's a narrow street and now nobody else can get by and sometimes they're there for a while maybe it's less because of your company and you've been the text and maybe they come out real quick but that's a a common concern or complaint
that I've heard over some time so I want to bring that to your attention so I just um I would encourage you you know as we go through this process and this is for all the the companies frankly um I'm going to repeat myself maybe eight times tonight because I don't want him to feel like I'm the only
one picking on him so um I'd be more mindful please that that that we're all drivers in the city and we have to be respectful of other people who are also trying to drive to get where they want to go and I realize your service is important but it's also be mindful that you got traffic and flow
issues and if people aren't there in a timely manner you've got to move on circle the block or do something because people have got to continue doing whatever we need get during the day i'm not sure if you want to comment on that you're welcome to if you'd like to
no D no comments colleagues any comments or questions okay all right all right um I'm looking for a motion that we send this up to the full council with a favorable recommendation to approve their uh license so move second motion made by
Vice Chair Re seconded by councelor Santiago discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I i post no the eyes have it our full council meeting is next Tuesday i invite you to come to next Tuesday's meeting in case another counselor may have a question i think it'll be an answer for question okay thank you thank you very
much sir thank you very much can I address the Can I address the Yeah yeah go ahead as far as uh double parking goes it's a uh it's everywhere as you can see it's the public and the taxis yes and
it's out of control it's out of control in every city I go to how we solve that every day is it's tough but I do have an an agreement with the cab companies I I made uh when in one of the meetings I said listen you if you if you can stay there for about 30 seconds or so maybe
45 seconds but after that you have to move and and I mentioned that to them before and they all come to agreement with that it's like a okay a gentleman's agreement sergeant go ahead sergeant how about picking up people on the street and flag them down and and and that's an
issue so I I back in the days I used to I used to know the liberties and taxi license plate was a different procedure to pick up people but you see it on the city they flag them down they regardless of where they are they stop right in the middle of the street to pick up people drop off people anywhere so how do we
addressing those those issues uh liveries are not supposed to do that liveries are are call based only as far as taxis go I'd have to look at the ordinance i still believe they can pick up being flagged down but I'm not 100% sure on that uh but a livery though unfortunately in the city we're getting
liveries from all over the place uh liveries out of Mthuan liveries out of Wilmington liveries out of Andover they're all coming here and they're supposed to leave immediately after they do their service and then if you stop and they say "Oh I'm just returning
back." You know but I mean we don't have a unit they enforce those i never seen it if it happens I I might be wrong we do we we did some undercover stuff i did back in the days i remember now that in chef you used to used to be you still
have also those I call it pirates on market basket and all that stuff which it hurts their business in a way sure and also those that come from out of city that maybe maybe they maybe our taxi do it but they maybe
are those they want to do and we don't people when the people call you like like chair of plan says they don't tell you it's it's Liberty or it's Marramac they tell you it's a taxi out here it honking the horn at 3:00 in the morning they don't they don't call you and tell you yeah which company is
um I have people that go out and encounter those those cab drivers also and they have a pretty bad mouth hole i can address that issue and and somehow I don't know we need to have some customer service training because they provide a service to the customers but also me I encounter with some cab
driver none of them that I see here because all of them I know them but if you tell them something they tell you big words they you never heard in your life and and and they get out i mean but what I'm concerned is it's on the street picking up dropping off and all that
stuff and and and again you're going to hear all night i I live in Juniper Street 46 and I have I don't I don't use my alarm clock cuz at 4:30 in the morning there's a cab driver that beeping the horn from Arlington from Arlington 4:30 in the morning from Arlington he come beeping
the horn until he gets there 46 he picked up somebody across the street from my house i think it's it's I want to say 47 or 49 and 4:30 in the morning but they beep the horn this guy is beeping the horn all the way from Alington Street into the middle of the
street through this 4:30 in the morning on an everyday basis i'm I'm going to bring my I should have bring the video on my camera so they can they can see it and it's concerning when it comes I mean not for me but it could be somebody sick it could be a kid that was a newborn it could be somebody that came in from the
hospital and they mo some of them I'm not saying all of them are not conscientious and and and gentleman said they had an app but this taxi company here they've been here as long as I've been here maybe longer because I've been in the city for 30 something years and it was when I got to the city was three
company three three taxi company Marramck Binkan Taxi and Diamond Taxi when I got to the city and and one of them that we all know is still there they haven't updated it at all and they still beep the horn there's
no tomorrow so we those are concerning that people bring to us and also we live in the city sure it's not just people complaining we live in the city and I live on an everyday basis i might don't complain to them or whatever but I'm glad the chair brought them in to to address all these issues so hopefully we
can get out of here with with something better hopefully tomorrow I wake up and at 4:30 in the morning I don't get I don't I wake up late because it's not going to go out i'll look into that uh that issue as far as Marabasi goes we uh Detective He's been in uh in
consultation with him we got the plates of the uh pirate taxis i was there the other day and saw three guys standing there they were just standing off to the side but they were definitely working so I took pictures of their plates we ran another plates so we're we're in the first stages of an investigation to uh
to see what we can do with that okay uh just as a I was looking up the ordinances so you uh 5.48.720 you can accept a hail of a cap in the city of Orange so that that is permissible so yeah so thank you sir
great thank you uh the next one is Liberty Taxi mr pas you're you're back you own both companies yeah yeah yeah he owns two companies
okay so just to reiterate you also so um So with Liberty you also have a you also text yes same thing yes okay and there's no uh double parking we already gone through all the stuff okay i have a complaint for Liberty through you
there's a small Buick Liberty taxi small Buick seems like a new vehicle and that gentleman flies all over the city it's a little Buick like a little SUV okay okay what he said okay he said that
have to do with the police but you should know the driver but you should know the driver it's a little Buick it should be That's the only Buick in the city what color it's Well it's Liberty is but it's the color of the taxi okay I'm going I'm going to take the picture of the plate no worries but
that's that should be the answer i mean how many Buicks do you have i'm going to I'm going to I'm going to talk to the drivers to drive i'm sorry it's the English I want to hear okay i'll bring it to you simply I'm not telling them that I mean if you have because he he went off he
said well that's not my issue it's a police issue I'm I'm not driving that's fine but if you have 10 Buicks you should talk to the 10 Buick drivers and tell them guess what I have a complaint of one Buick going I saw him you know what passing a school buses oh wow
that's passing a school buses flying on the school house okay good he says he understands you want to check he's going to check so please please check i mean if So so it's like to this this council is going to be voting whether or not he's going to vote in
favor of permitting the license or not permit the license if I was in your position I would at least try to check in and see what's going on with that and tell the counselor that I've checked in and I think we know who it is we've had a conversation with who we think the offensive driver is and I think we I think you're going to see some
improvement and you I mean it should be addressed to every driver on on every and every driver in every cab company i mean from 7 listen from 7 to 10 their school's going to school in the morning from 2 to 4 there's school their school
releasing kids and every cab company should be addressing those issues with every drivers not just the one on the Buick also respecting the school buses respecting the school zone and I know you guys make money by picking up passengers and that's why you want to
cut you want to fly pick that one fly drop them and then fly to get the other ones but you're putting a lot of kids and people on risk out there so it's not just to you don't take it on a personal to you it should be addressed to every cab driver out there everyone in every
company that the next project that he wants to add on to um the modernization of the company is to add on cameras and also um to update uh the speed uh on the app to check on the speed limit oh you can
check the speed on the app you can see how fast they're going yeah you can do that oh wow so um so what's the what's the rate of uh how often do you check twice a week twice a week yes and And
what's what's the So what's what's that so what's the what's the rate i mean how many drivers do you have he is he can't recount because sometimes they go 75 like 75 drivers you have 75 drivers and so twice a week you check on
their driving so how many out of the 75 how many of them are actually in your tracking kind of take some liberties know if pun intended um okay how Okay repeat the question again because he Sure so the question is is that since you look at it twice a
week how often I mean out of the 75 driversish right how often are you noticing that you got some drivers that are that are driving excessively fast there's a few and he immediately um calls the attention to the driver and
sometimes uh passengers report uh the drivers to to the station and um he will make a meeting with them okay okay and you know through you and you know the answer that I get when I call and report it right what's that call the police
right you go complain and they tell you call the police boom we busy we're too busy here call the police no when I when you call When you call the base when you call the base one person at a time when you call the base to complain
by any cap they send you to call the police they don't have no manners to tell you I'm going to take care of the issue that's Joe Mo that vehicle i'll take care of it they don't they tell you they give you the big words that they know how to say which they they tell you to go suck something right and they tell
you they're going to call the cops cuz I call I call to try to prevent or try to report cuz I I don't have no restriction to pull them over so I call the base most of the time or when I can when I have this driver in this address is this and this and they sell me to call the
cops instead of calling me you should be calling the cops so I stopped calling so and once again I thank you for bringing them okay so are we all we're all set here anybody else okay looking for a motion
motion to say do we favor recommendation with the full council second motion made by Vice Chair Reyes second by councelor Del Rosario discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I i no the eyes have it thank you Mr pas have a good night stick around you going
to You have any more companies is that it for you thank you all right thank you i do have a one Mr mr pascal Pascal you you may want to actually I wanted I want you to be here when I ask this question it's not to you i have a question for
the police department so I've had some conversations with some folks i was going to wait until some of our livery friends came up and and asked them but I I didn't want some of our cab folks to leave what I'm hearing or what I'm seeing to go back to the liveries we're going to talk to them shortly but there
seems to be a lot more liies in the city and maybe the part of the answer is that they're coming from out of town they come from out of town but I'm but it looks like they're parked in our city as well like overnight well I'm walking I'm knocking and talking and meeting people around my district i'm seeing liveries
uh there and I'm also seeing as a side note is Global here tonight global no are they one of ours is they delivery they there's a global transportation company isn't there is it they're not registered with us they're I mean there's a bunch of them in in on a
street in my district and they're parked and they're taking several parking spots i actually took a picture the other day so I I'll look it up on as we're going through this but the concern that I'm having is I'm trying to figure out what's the role I think I understand but I want to hear this from you what's the
role of a cab mhm and what's the role of a livery i'm understanding that there's more regulations on a cab company there's they have to change their cars more frequently there's other things they have to do and there's more expenses and it seems
easier or less uh less regulations for a livery company than a cab company so it may cost less money to be a livery than a cab maybe people are being more liveries than cabs so I'm hearing that kind of stuff but I want you to kind of sort this through for me and tell me are
you hearing the same thing can you sort that out is there a problem that you're seeing the problem I'm seeing is like I addressed before is is deliveries in the city uh and I don't believe I believe they're acting like a taxi service okay and they're they're registered out of
state i mean out of the city i don't know what their regulations are as far as their cars as far as liveries in our ordinance they're uh uh taxi for hire to say it's not you can't just call and say "Hey I need a taxi." At this point in time it's a
scheduled pickup where they have to uh they have to pick up that party make the wherever they are drop them off wherever they and they're to return back to the city they originated from uh there is no money involved all the money is done through credit cards or or
prepayments and that's our rules on liveries they have to register every year with us i noticed the other day I looked into a quality transportation uh I found them what was it bronfield Street bronfield Street and I addressed it with who'd you go to
peter Blanchard peter Blanchett and he said for some reason he said they don't need to register with us and I I told him to read the ordinance cuz right the ordinance says they do so there's a livery company I not saying they're unlawful so
if if folks are watching this and they're saying but I want to be very careful how I say this there's a company called Global Transportation okay that has livery that has livery tags on it that are parked and taken several
parking spaces in a very congested part of the district that I represent okay and um they're not bad people but parking is a premium are they in Colonial Heights or They're not No I didn't say that no they're not in Colonial Heights i mean I can I mean uh
they are in the I can tell you the rough neighborhood they are in the Cambridge Garfield Street area okay on that side that area yeah okay so um I'll have Detective Peggy look a research into it and we'll try to get some plates and see where they're from so there's there's three or four i got
pictures of three or four of their vehicles i just I I they may be doing everything right i don't want you know I I don't want to say that they're doing anything wrong but when I when I see a livery tag on their plate and they're not here this evening and you're telling me that liveries have got to be approved
by the council my question is why aren't they here yeah i don't I didn't know they existed in the city okay the only reason I found quality the other day I was I drive it once I see a livery plate I'll run it and see if it's out of Lawrence and then I we'll investigate it okay if it's from out of town Well
there's uh there's several of of these vehicles with the same company logo on the thing so if they're out of town they're very very They're supposed to not sit in one spot let's see yeah they're not supposed to be there okay anyway all right we can talk more about that if you need more info I can help
you with that and just for the for the neighbors who are struggling to find parking that's a problem for them sure they shouldn't be here anyways if that's the if that's the fact okay all right we'll continue on i just wanted Mr pascal to hear that because I you I have heard from the cab companies about the concerns i just want to make sure you
were aware that I heard that you're free to leave it anytime now i didn't want to this is not a hostage situation okay all right next is 10425 Popular Taxi Company popular Bingo good evening gentlemen good evening
according to the police department all your Well except for this um I was about to say all your paperwork looks like it's here and there's one page here that nothing is checked off um so I'm just never council they sometimes
the the top page isn't always filled out it's just Okay it's just the paper is in order okay so I should I should rely on that is what you're telling me okay do me a favor in the future so I don't have the heart attack if you can just make a little check mark if they're there it' be easier okay thank you
but uh everything's in order right so you've heard the disc everything's in order okay you've heard the discussion we've had we're not going to go into as much detail the issue let me ask you the question do you do you have a horn or do you are you texting people how do you
when you how do you pick up your fair you're old fashioned i use um base no no application no app if the person isn't available you
beep the horn if the person isn't available and you beep the horn does the base call that person no we usually wait okay yeah we usually wait do you ever call them back you know what I'm saying there's your problem there's your problem we wait for certain time or just we just leave so then they call them
back and come back so h how so let let's go through this because this is some this is a quality of life issue and I just want to figure out how you deal with this so somebody calls "I need a cab." You say "Yes." They say "We need you to be here." You ask them what time
or how often yeah they usually Yeah usually take like a minute to because we park in the city different time different part of the city right sure let's say like uh with different like for the people for the um this part of the city we park nearby the
people in South Florence we park there so when people call let's say from um Vernon we already close by we we by by uh by Broadway but South Broadway so we take like let's say for if I call like a minute minute and a half to get there
depends sure so it's pretty quick so so if someone calls you you're going to I need a cab you're going to be there within a minute and a half whatever within five minutes you'll be there something like that got it okay and so you go to the house they've already called you you're there within five minutes they're not there waiting for you they're inside the house
you You're there now what are you going to do you're going to honk your horn and Yes we do it once honk the horn honk it once just once one honk okay and then you wait now first of all let's talk about the honking for one thing now there's been some This is more of a
police issue according to the registry of motor vehicles at least the stuff that I've been able to pick up being on the council for this long the horn is supposed to be a device that's supposed to be used like for like an emergency purpose like if you're if someone is about to hit you or there or a pedestrian is walking in front of you
you want to call attention you beep the horn uh I'm told that the horn is not supposed to be you know a vehicular doorbell so you're not supposed to be honking the horn bringing people out that's not an emergency so I don't know if our police department follows that
guideline you got a lot of stuff to deal with but that's my understanding with regarding the registry of motor vehicles and their guidelines i'm not sure if it's a law but it's a guideline if they don't come out after you honk once how long do you wait and do honk again maybe like 30 minutes there'll be 30 seconds
okay well 30 seconds yeah you wait 30 seconds and then and then what happens we just report that the person is still coming out and they just just leave you just take off after 30 secondsish okay okay
have you again where we we we do not govern your business practices have you So I'm asking you a question have you considered using u the new technology yeah we're looking into that yeah yeah of course that's what we do we know we
checking all you know the pros and cons and we we're thinking about it that's a new a new project that we're looking into i I I mean I this is this this license will not rest on your answer on this because it's it's uh but I would recommend that we find ways to be less intrusive whatever those ways are to the
people who are like Mr del Rosario here is trying to sleep at 4:30 in the morning i'm not saying it's your cab company but we have families we have young parents we have babies we have people working different hours and just being startled at whether it's 4:30 or 6:30 and even in the middle of the day
even if it's 2:00 and you're laying not laying it but if you're pressing the horn there could be some quiet solitude we already have a lot of noise from radios going through the cars we've got tons of pe you know there's lots of crazy stuff going on i mean we talk about the wheelies that doesn't cause a
lot of noise but it's just one more vehicular thing that's out there that really disrupts the quality of life of our residents so I would just encourage you to Yeah of course yeah the home beeping is just more like during the day
at night we encourage other drivers not to do that because we understand that do you also like the other Mr pascal do you also track your driver's speed well there's no way we can do that we don't have the app okay so you know people complain what we do we call the
uh the driver we adise them not to do that you know how many drivers do you have we have like 56 taxi we have like a 100 drivers 100 drivers and 56 so where are the cars where are the cars parked you said
they're parked in different locations for Well that's for waiting for the car when everybody's out uh uh working sure and so does everybody own their is it I'm learning help me understand this so if you're a taxi cab driver is that your
vehicle that you're driving or is it the cab company's vehicle and where do they park the vehicle when they're not working no most of the most of the uh the taxi that by the people by the by the person okay so they they they manage some of them they take home some of them
we park it this uh on 621 common that's where we park in that in that area okay we had a parking lot in there okay i'm going to stop because you may have some questions mr council anybody wants to ask a question or No I just wanted I just want them to
realize once again that chapter 90 is a Hawai is a violation of chapter 90 law it's not enforced any laws at all but it's a violation there you go just keep it in mind it's we not here to I'm all for it for the business you guys work hard but we need to somehow
again I've been in the city for 32 years and I haven't seen what I what I'm seeing is getting worse we don't we don't we don't make it better and and the drivers are more aggressive the drivers are more feisty and what we what we love to do what what we love to see with you guys
and I sit down with some of you guys what I would love to see is get a better I mean better language better way to drive and I I believe the taxi driver should be respecting the traffic more than the regular driver because that's your business and besides putting people at
risk you also put a new business at risk uh violating the law once again going back to chapter 90 is with the horns regardless if it's one every 30 seconds for one side it's it doesn't happen if if if 355 Broadway is not coming out we we honking until we see him out but
chapter 90 and again my police department is great but nobody is enforcing none of those laws regardless of ordinance that we place regardless of state laws nobody is enforcing anything which is great it it's a great city to live in Lawrence that we can we can do
it's Lawrence that's what people say but all I want the cops is to be I mean mindful all I want the cap is to have conversation i used to work in a company that we will go through the production on a day what do we do what do we do wrong so let's try not to do it tomorrow how many calls or complaints do we have
when anybody call the base to complain we get yelled at i've been yelled at i've been sent to call the police and and it should be calling the drivers drivers listen we got 10 calls for this there's an issue let's fixing
this is this is where we have our business we want to continue to have business it's going to come a time that this council is going to change and they're not going to put up with all of that and they're not going to renew no licenses because all the complaints that we get from people and we also again we
live in the city it's not that some most of the complaints we get through the phone but we also live with you guys what you guys do to us while we on the streets what do you guys do to my kids when they trying to cross the street when I'm trying to get some places and you guys double park or you guys pick up
somebody here you drop it off without I don't know what's worse if driving in front of a of a cap cuz the cap is it's it's dying to get to the client i don't know what's worse driving in front or driving behind them because you don't know when they going to stop to pick up somebody or when they going to stop to
drop off somebody so I don't know what's worse and and officers and try to beep the horn on a cab driver try it once you and your regular clothes not as a cop beep the horn when you're behind them and you see the
reaction most of them but if you're in front of them they'll beep in the horn on you for you to rush because they have to pick up and I know that's the matter of the business but at the end of the day we need to have a safety city and we always going to vouch for you guys cuz I mean you
guys are hardworking but we needs to make it better more people coming in there's more people in the city there's more cars in the city so there's more risk so you guys are the seniors here most of you like this gentleman it's he's been in the city for the longest and taxi right we should create some
type of a habit of of better driving and better way to drive the taxis on the streets that's all I'm asking for one thing I can advise you like when something like that happen every every taxi cab in the city has a medallion so if you get like the number and and that
usually you can report it to the police officer so he will know which company and get the complaint to you know what I mean that's it would be easier for anybody all right looking for a motion motion to send the full council with a favorable
recommendation second motion made by council Dell Rosario second by vice chair Ray is discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I i oppose no the eyes have it thank you gentlemen next Tuesday please come back okay thank you thank you uh next is Marramac Taxi Corporation document
number 105 yes can I address this sure no uh oh as for the medallions if you get that number we have the list at the station the license plate everything about it so if you can just email us the number okay
you get from your constituent or however you want to do it and we'll be we'll address the issue right away with the company through your chair yeah yeah when the medallions come back to us cuz I if they're going to retire or whatever when it's like 100 medallions right so
it's 150 150 so when do they come back to the city and the city will place them on it they never come back to the city i never seen some that there are some that avoid it uh but usually typically like Marramac will own some medallions about and give them to their drivers and they put them on the back so they'll swap out
the car a lot of times and they have to register uh report that to us when they make the change is that what you're getting at as far as medallions coming back I've never seen one come back and we we we have a full compliment other than maybe and again it it and again there's there's medallions owners that that they
don't own a taxi company but they died and somehow that medallions end up somewhere else oh that's a good there's there's there's I heard back in the day that's me assuming that whoever whoever who whoever owns the medallions need to drive and and there's people that owns medallions that they don't even have a driver's license so I don't know if
that's true but but those are the complaints also the some cap driver they're waiting on a waiting list for medallions I saying and and and and so how do we revise all that and how long a medallions can be in somebody how long can you own a medallion they own it for as long as they can in the ordinance
okay so that's a great point I've been around for a little while on this council I I can't remember no uh the most I've done being returned and this and this issuing it a new one which is the point that I think my colleague public is looking to make it's rare and
I don't I mean of all the stuff you're dealing with add that to the list right so it Yeah as far as that goes like me and Detective Haggy just got this thrown on our laps uh when uh Chief Bonia became chief he was doing his taxes before that and uh I usually go to him with
questions and so I'll find out the answers and that's great let me put this out there for the drivers or cab owners they're still there it's still here one day I went to a park and a market basket right and somehow they I don't say I don't think
it's a taxi driver i think somebody built something that says taxi on it right and they put it in there so I was going to grab something pretty quick so I parked there and this taxi driver came after me that that's a that's a that's a that's a taxi parking lot i said it on the radio one time that that's a parking
spot i said "Well I'm going to go pretty quick." I didn't say who it was right i'm going to go pretty quick but if Market Basket wants to tow me they can tow me and you know what he said i'm on it i'm You know how much money I pay for my medallion and I turn around and say I know how I know how much a medallion
cost if you pay more than what it cost it's on you so that's another thing you got to the cab drivers got to tell the the the whoever is driving that it's they be careful when they talk to people about how much a medallion cost cuz I know exactly how much a
medallion cost and I couldn't bring hail to that company or whoever the driver was but I'm again I'm not against them i'm not against them so it's a business let's bring Marramac up are they here marramck nermach
and uh one more thing we did a uh cab inspection in October yes with the state and they said it was probably the Lawrence cabs are one of the finest cabs they've seen in the area condition wise oh really well we'll take that they said it was a well it was a well-run uh
operation and it was due to uh Detective Hag and my team along with all the cab own bonus and liveries it's it's it's rare that we get that kind of compliment we take it where we can they had just come from limp they came here and they
taxi down there are horrible they're okay u Marramac so I think you guys are all of these the count the the police department have said that all the paperwork is in except this one right here I don't see a
signature is there a signature for you guys on I think it's missing a signature Sergeant we can cure that yes okay we can now okay he is owner all right we we will we are
not going to do that so that is important that they're vouching for that but we we could send this up to the full council and waiting for that signature would be my recommendation but um when does he come back
maybe next week okay all right i there's no doubt it's it's it's a but it's important legally that that they that they verify and certify that everything on there is true and factual okay so um Marramac we're going to go through anyway since they're here i
don't want you know I you made a you spend an two hours here so we're going to take advantage of your time what kind of cap in your in your do you have a horn or do you have a text or an app that's my first question now cuz I just learned that so when we going to pick up somebody what's your name i'm sorry sir
excuse me your name danelloo Henriquez mr henriquez yes go right ahead sir so when we going to pick up somebody we hit one time horn then we wait if the people don't come down we go to the base from the base that departure they call to the
people and the people come that's the way we do so you have an extra so unlike the previous one you have the base calling back and saying we've got somebody your our cab is waiting for you that's what you just said if I heard you correctly yes i'm letting I'm letting know to the base the people don't come
down we have like maybe two or three minute two or three possible five minute and we wait a long time nobody come down we go to the base and they call the people because the the numbers is on their screen sure and they call back and they come so the challenge that I'm that
I'm hearing I I like that approach as long as if five minutes sounds like not a lot of time but that's like many like depending on where you are if it's a busy place and you're there for five minutes hypothetically that's a long time for cars to go around and five
minutes is a long time yeah that's a long time but sometime we can wait five time five five minute we can't but that's I think the point that I'm you're making the point that I agree to which is yeah you can't stay there for five minutes you we depending on where you
are if it's a very sleepy dead end street and you want to wait five minutes and there's no traffic implications go for it right five I don't care but if it's a busy street it's morning rush hour people trying to get to school and work and whatever you're there for five minutes on a busy street that's not good
now in a special time if we get somebody out to pick up we can't wait that long because maybe we have somebody out in the back and they they say "No no I had to go i had to go." So we had to leave but we call to the dispatcher the
dispatcher maybe sending somebody out because the other people he we have they had to go to work right so you heard about the horns you heard with my my colleague who had more information than I did he actually he cited chapter 90 as the basis for the anti-hawking law i
haven't verified it i'm going to go at his word that there's a law that says that um the police department clearly you know we talked about the double parking in the city and how crazy that is and especially during busy times it's hard it's hard in the busy time
especially talk to me a little bit i haven't asked anybody else because you brought it up you said that there's going to be people other people in the car so if you pick me up if I need a ride somewhere is there going to be somebody else in that car as well that you're driving or you just taking me
back to the wherever I need to go no we usually take it more than one because you know especially if the the SP is a little busy they get two people a lot of time it's only one but the most of the time we try to get two
people because we go too far away with one people it's not it's not easy and go back empty it's not easy colleagues any questions comments thank you to Chair Rosario barry McTaz if I'm not if I'm not
mistaken is is the oldest of all the companies they're they're here right now very old they are the oldest if I'm not mistaken so again I mentioned three taxi company when I came to to Lawrence which it was Marramac Binkantasi which it was a green cap and a yellow and the white
diamond they was the only one they was the only one got to recognize like somebody here one of my colleagues says "I got better recognize that Diamond Taxi was the only company that worked 24 hours." Yeah only one the only company that work 24 hours but again you guys
should put this sample or or how the other companies should be in the city but we still have the speeding the speeding in every car company we still have some cab drivers with the dirty mouth to anybody to honk the horn on
them or tell them to move or whatever so we need to address those issues to have a better city and a better service i mean again I give it up to you guys it It's not easy to work out there also you don't you don't deal with easy people on an everyday basis
and I give it that to you but we got to create a safer city and also any drivers that come in we need to address them with this is who we are and you guys should set the sample cuz you guys are the oldest in the company in the city you guys the oldest and you're still on
on Newberry Street right if I'm not mistaken they've been there for over 30 years so but I mean we need to address all those issues are speeding i mean in the morning is when you and in the morning when the kids are out in the afternoon when the kids are out is when
they most speed cuz they need to get from point A to point B cuz somebody is waiting for them but they don't realize that it's kids out there there's school buses out there it's hard so we just need to we just need to address those issues so uh I've got the uh ordinance open and
so I was curious as to the to the my question regarding having previous people in the car so uh there is an ordinance that says uh 5.48.760 taxi cabs previously engaged no driver of any licensed taxi cab shall
pick up or carry any passenger after the taxi cab has been occupied until the first passenger is discharged unless the first passenger consents such prior passenger shall not be obligated or requested to pay extra
fair for refusing such consent so our laws here say that if you're going to do what you did you have to ask the other person is it okay if I pick up somebody else that's what our law says yeah we do it that way you do it that way yeah we do that way okay you didn't say that in the explanation speak to the people and
they say "Yeah yeah okay i'm not too hurry." Okay that's the law okay so you are doing that okay yep good to know all right motion to send full council with a favorable recommendation motion made by council del Rosario pendon pending Mr villio's signature seconded by by by
vice chair Reyes uh and the it is pending a signature above the of the owner all in favor say I i oppos no the eyes have it now if if he doesn't come back in time I'm going to be making one of us if I forget please help me we should be making a motion if he doesn't
show up in time to table at the full council level please so if I don't remember somebody else can help me with that thank you so please show have you or somebody else show up with the document question with that through you do they can can he authorize anybody is anybody on on your guys part
of the police or has to be him good i'll look into that i'll I'll review the uh ordinance and the paperwork here see if he has any coke people that are with Okay that works great thank you sir appreciate it we'll see you next Tuesday uh it's next fivear the next are all
liveries uh okay per they're not taxis they're all hired for reasons like fivestar is the buses and and and stuff like that that's excellent let's let's let's do a fivestar fivestar express transportation fivestar here we go you speak English
i'm trying yes I'm trying good evening sir your name hector Cordero cordero yes nice to meet you sir nice to meet you okay so uh you have a livery license so you're the first livery that we're going to be approving this evening or at least reviewing so
where the cabs it sounds like they have a centralized location where they park and then often times they'll park a driver will take the cab home in a livery what's what's where are your vehicles where are you where do you house your vehicles uh we transport
people from Lawrence and another city to New York City we use um 15 passenger van and 38 passenger vans and 56
big where are they housed they are based out of the old giant glass at the corner of LOL and Ames okay yeah yeah yeah all right all your vehicles are there yes so no one's taking their vehicle home they stay in that location they stay in the location okay how many drivers do you
have valve 16 16 yes sir and how many I mean I'm just How many vehicles do you have it should be It should be in this application shouldn't it the number of vehicles i can look it up 12 I think
this 12 or 13 something okay um when you're picking up a fair is that the right terminology even for a delivery company yes fair when you're picking up a fair is is that is is it one of those things where you're is it a horn and is is that
an operational or or are they expecting in your case they're waiting to be travel to New York City so I don't think they're going to need a horn but I think they all leave out of uh the location they don't pick them up through Yeah they get picked up at home too right yes
yeah sometimes yeah yes they get picked up at home but but they but they do differently i they call you an hour or two to be ready we're going to be there in 15 minutes and I mean they still beep the horn if you don't come out but but not as bad as as the regular cab or
Liberty um this is this is more exclusive transportation from far away so they don't they drive from here to New York most of the time okay and from New York back so it's it's it's kind of different so that's kind of difference they're not rolling on the on this on on
the city all day long okay okay so the Yeah so the often times people aren't the the residents aren't differentiating between delivery and a cab agency for hire vehicle and they're not distinguishing between one or the
other so I'm I'm asking these questions because I'm learning a little as well so um okay so I mean I don't really have any my earlier question was the one regarding other the folks that aren't here you're doing it the right way and
my concern is other companies whether they're based somewhere else and then they're just making Lawrence their place of operations and they're given the right answer to the police department who now can't do anything because they're dropping somebody off and heading out but they may be circling who
knows what they're doing i have no idea you know uh maybe circumventing having operations here i don't know why they would do that is there a money reason why they would do that do we know why someone would rather be in Medford or Waltham or someplace
else we investigated a company out of Wilmington and they didn't Wilington wouldn't cooperate with us the town of Wilmington would not cooperate they wouldn't tell you i mean that's they they just said "Okay." And
no professional courtesy no really i was not there but there was a It was when Chief Bono was running the uh tax service that's bizarre okay all right i don't I have any questions really motion to send a full council to federal recommendation second motion
made by council Rosario seconded by Vice Chair Reyes discussion see no discussion i'll call the question all in favor say I i no the eyes have it please come again on Tuesday night sir thank you thank you very much we did uh contact the TNC
transportation uh we contacted the mass uh agency that handles that and they were able to uh they were using like an Uber type of thing and they were able to shut them down as for that part do you I'm since we're talking cabs do you see
them interacting is is a cab also an Uber that's also a lift that's also a liberty do you see like them cross uh they if they if they cross that line it's it's uh several uh it's a heavy fines by the state okay uh Uber is taking a lot away from the taxis i would
think so out of the That's why that one guy with the with the with the texting he's like closer to an Uber yeah exactly but he's he's not he's not uh he's not doing everything that makes
him be an Uber you know what I And there is a he's still acting as a taxi if I'm if that sounds right i I I again he's not I'm learning I can tell you chair that that I have conversation with the cab drivers they had tons of complaints about Pasqual and
none of them raise it up here none of them said anything about Pasqual but they call you on the phone and they want to complain the way the way Pasqual is doing business but today it was a great opportunity to put him on the spot and none of them said anything about it we didn't ask them either Heather we didn't ask him no but that's okay i mean the
way they do business I I hear hear everything but the way that this is the opportunity to say my businesses I talked about pirates cap on market baskets and none of them said anything you know it's it's this is the
opportunity for them exactly this is the this is a scenario for them to bring up all the complaints against anything and everything they have to do with the roads out there but I know what the what the sergeant is saying we do have a meeting every four months or so with the caps to address the issues the the and
they're most of them are all gone now but the the idea behind we number one I think we as a council want to see the people we're granting permits to it's we don't want to be like this we there's got to be a relationship between us the perimeters and the permites and so we
want to see people okay not to grill them but it we will ask them questions we saw but we also want feedbacks so like council my colleague just said if there's if somebody has an issue we would want to hear that if he says there's unjust practices that are going on or if there's inequities or
unfairness in and in and the way that the police no offense are targeting certain cabs well I want to hear that i may not it may not be true but if that's an issue they really believe that I want to find out what that is so I can say to "Hey what's up with that what's what's your side of the story on that we want
to have that thing." Or someone saying "We're being undercut by the liveries." You know something we're trying to do cabs we do this all we're doing it the right way but we have all these liveries coming in taking business away from us and they're not being checked they're not being blah blah blah we're not you know we should be hearing that and we're
not you know and this is the opportunity this year there'll be another opportunity next year and if they're listening again I hope that they take this to heart they should this is the not not to make this a but rather we this is the form they should bring it up in this is a form where we
were trying to fix problems if we can i'm sorry great point counselor that's that's where I like to bring the conversation that's I mean I thought you inviting the man in I'm going to keep saying it was a great idea i thought they were all going to vent somehow and if you go back and I said if you go back
do you remember the numbers of vehicles that he told you he has and the number of vehicles of the other companies what they have so keep that in mind i don't know if you remember what the answer I don't know if you remember the answer that he gave you how many he has and how many they have so so that'll give you a
little thing but none of them everybody's okay then I'm okay if everybody's okay I'm okay okay um the rest of them are liies they have nothing to do with all so if we can get them out of Rio Rio Honda sorry about that folks um this could be going faster we'll get you out
of here soon good evening good evening good evening good evening uh Rio Hondo let's make sure the signatures are in here i see a signature that's good is there anything you want to bring to our attention where you based where
you based um out of Blanchard 49 Blanchard Street blanchard thank you all your How many vehicles do you have how many drivers do you have i have six and uh six drivers and and are you all your vehicles are are based at that location or they spread throughout the city um so I do bring mine home i live in Draket
but the other ones are stationed on um Marramac Street in the garage where the bus station is okay the spot there okay um are you are people I'm so confused by this are are you picking up people at their homes or are they going to your location and you're driving no I pick
them up um at their homes i have a contract with insurance companies where we use an app and we get the client's information there we call them before Yeah we get there and I should have asked your name what is your name ma'am oh I'm sorry rosemary Rodriguez i'm Miss
Rodriguez um okay um am I asking all the questions that I asked i don't want to I think I've asked all the same questions right okay good any other questions by colleagues all right looking for a motion motion to send a full council
with federal recommendation motion made by council del Rosario second by vice uh I'm sorry not yet council Santiago maybe you never know all in favor say I i know the eyes have it thank you ma'am come back on Tuesday thank you you only speak Spanish speak
Spanish is there anybody here to help translate for you it's the same company we do the same thing good evening good night good evening uh where are you based she's in Lawrence in Lawrence where what address where 56
Berkeley Street in Lawrence berkeley berkeley berkeley thank you um there's no signature on the certificate of inspection is that important um this is the building official
i'm sorry the same one the yellow uh yellow holy cow there's more sheets on this one than in the other one we'll wait in working on that these are the ones that were I don't have yellow i do have a certificate of inspection i just there was a sheet earlier was an
application sheet that was not signed but I guess that's not as important as we only had a different color yeah so it's the same thing yeah it's the same thing okay you're on Cutler Street okay it's neighbor okay
um how many So that asked that question how many how many do you have how many how many vehicles how many vehicles yes seven seven and how many drivers uh eight eight okay is where is most of your business is it is it local or is it like going to New York like uh out of
state um lower Boston uh Newberry Por Uber all right so you're driving all over the place you want you want to help me out here yeah what they what they what they do according to what
I read what they do is mostly medical appointments yes and they work through the insurance they have a contract through the insurance the insurance says Mark Lan needs to go to Boston Medical Center so they set them up information they go pick you up and the insurance is the one that pay them to contract yeah
okay so everything's in order so I I'm good any other questions or motion to send full council with a favor recommendation motion made by council del Rosario seconded by vice chair rais discussion see that I'll call the question all in favor say I i post no the eyes have it thank you thank you
nyc New York City United Express the very first question I have to ask these guys are are you Red Sox fans i mean that's going to weigh heavily on my decision Yankee fans
that's all right um where you where's your base where you located lawrence Massachusetts where what street um 154 Broadway are all your vehicles there or you are they throughout no it's right there how many vehicles do you have six six and same number of drivers uh we got
six drivers six drivers okay uh where's your business model what do you We do interstate from here to New York so what we do you make a reservation um we pick you up an hour before sure and the way we usually do is
I call my dispatch and I told my dispatch to give you a call to come downstairs okay okay and I don't wait 10 minutes you're not out within a minute and a half or you're not at the door when I go pick you up you stay i like that i like your hat too although you really shouldn't although you really shouldn't be wearing inside the building
I do like your hat um any other questions by my colleagues no it's also I'm taking my my colleague Moto great to recognize that also United it's it's one of the oldest transporting people from Lawrence to New York so they've been based out of Broadway Street for for the
longest that they've been in the city so you say Broadway Street Broadway Street right in front of Broadway Broadway yeah sorry sorry chair motion to send a full council with a favorable recommendation motion made by council del Rosaro second by vice chair discussion see no discussion i'll call
the question all in favor say I no the eyes have it see you on Tuesday all right thank you thank you oh one thing yes sir you guys got to look into Uber because it's a lot of things going on here what do you got talk to us well I mean how's your time i've been in transportation like he says
long enough i've been doing I've been on his side since I was 17 i own limousine company myself i do Uber Black we're fighting with the state trying to chase Uber because Uber is taking a lot of business sure and the
first thing Uber does I guarantee you is not paying what they're supposed to be paying to the city what does that mean what are they supposed to do they got to pay some dues like every other taxi is that right they have to have a license is that true well I'm telling you what I went through on Boston oh we got we got
money okay that's what Boston does so no no because for me to pick up a person I have to go through passport and every m every passenger that Well I pay $32 for every month the first passengers are free or not free but you you had you got
to pay that regardless and then after that you got to pay 3 322 for each passenger and with Uber there is no control so how do they know because my car has a the tag as soon as I go into
the parking lot they know I'm there so that permit is already running so I got 45 minutes to turn around pick up the passenger leave and when my when I do that 10 time after that every time I go I got to pay that's the airport that's the airport but that's just a sample i
just giving you an example and if we pay for licensing you know to pick up a passenger here why are they allowed to come and just because anybody could just open up the app and and pick up a car who's controlling that i think it's what the officer sergeant was mentioning i
think that's your point earlier or at least part of your point if I'm understanding it correctly it's state regulated by the Department of Utilities uber it Uber it's called TNC Transportation Network uh okay i don't know what the C stands for but any complaints they they regulate all that
we have no regulation over Uber or Lyft it all goes through them if we have a complaint like a certain taxi company was using their company as like an Uber they were able to cease and desist that type of business for us they send them all the all the paperwork and stuff we're just giving them uh some
information okay so I I don't want What's your name sir i'm sorry random last name is what deleon Deleó what I what I don't want Mr deleó to think is that we're that the city is playing favorites in No no it's not the city we
we we we up against a giant worldwide we just we just got into a fight with them for $175 million so New York got him for $230 so I mean I I could talk about I mean we I could come back some other time cuz I'm I sit down at the city with
with all of the counselors i mean at the state I was part of the committee because now the the what they're trying to do they're trying to they're trying to what we're trying to do is we're trying to affiliate to a union so we put pressure on them it's the union i know that's the only way to do it all right i
know that they and they could shut you off anytime they want and and it's like they go everywhere but it's not they they're not regulated what what they usually do in Boston is like we only paying you got after 15,000 cars or 15,000 drivers x amount of money and they're not paying what each driver
should be you know it's not just Lawrence i'm saying as a community you know statewise is just and and it's and there's a lot of over here it's a lot of overtaking you know their business just you know what I mean it's a lot of it's
a lot of issues going on with that so Okay well thank you Mr deion uh next Tuesday hope to see you again all right thank you sir have a good night guys good night thank you uh town livery now this guy I know this guy I I know and I know you you you
have an amazing reputation in the city i know the great work i know the great work that you do uh and contributing in so many different places and doing a lot of different things and so I'm you have my deep respect let's talk but let's talk about business there so so where are you based where are your vehicles
iowa Street 60 Island Street island Street okay that's our home base yep uh our employees get to base to start time when they end their shift they go right back to base before they prep their vehicles yep every reservation is done either months in advance or at the
minimum 24 hours in advance i have a 247 dispatch office and I've been running an app base since 2013 so there's no honking in my platform uh it's strictly professionalism customer service reliability there's a 15-minute spot
time these clients are paying for their time that's what quality service is about so uh we're on the client's time so we're not pressing them but they are paying for the extra time if they go
over their time it's a great meal how many cars you have vehicles uh with Lawrence is only two last year we had six but we're in the process of acquiring more vehicles so we'll be growing with the city as well okay okay uh and what's your what's your
business model where do you I I know the answer but Strictly private car limousine or shuttle service so we do college tours we do corporate outings airport transfers weddings proms nights out concerts sporting events yep as
directed services multi-state Super Bowl NBA NFL so Super Bowl correct oh stop where's the closest Super Bowl from here i was just flown out to work the Super Bowl in New Orleans in New Orleans
correct so all expenses paid triple the charges that's what happens when you grow a reputable company you know we're now a global based platform and we're blessed to be able to provide that
level of service coming from this type of community so we're trying to lead by example and I and and and I don't want to shower you with too much praise u but I happen to know you a little bit and I know your work ethic and I know the stuff that you do and and you're very reputable and u and you are a leader I
think in transportation thank you not only inner city but I think regionally and apparently nationally because if you're going all over the place like that then you're more of a national presence than just a local presence so it sounds like everything seems to be in order I think here I'll let my colleague speak or ask questions or make a motion
if they so choose motion to send for favor recommendation motion made by councelor D Rosario second by councelor Sant Santiago discussion see no discussion I'll call the question all in favor say I no the eyes have it see you on Tuesday yes okay
thank you thank you uh yes Mr del Rosario there's no objection i would like to take items 6625 out of Oh oh sorry can I just uh make a recommendation go ahead when this goes up to the city council can you do the liveries first because there'll be the
least amount of questions is that if uh you know something I if if granted if granted that leeway I will certainly will okay thank you and if if I don't you'll give me the sideway glance yeah and say "What are you doing Lant i thought we had an agreement patient enough to wait all that time for you
know we appreciate it thank you guys so much thank you thank you thank Thank you is there anything else uh 66 you said 66.5 out of the table if there's no objection uh seeing no objection go ahead council Rosario that's the only July 316
um yeah is it our packet too i asked them to put it there i have mine oh yeah yeah yeah yeah got it so what do you want to do here i just wanted uh I mean we required them a couple of things which I I believe they did even if we don't have
it here i mean they they got the okay from the recreational department they talked to DPW with DPW tell them that there will be no equipment um the cut off time to be on the park is a day after their event so okay so I believe
that we should I want to make a motion that send full council with a favorable recommendation motion made by council de Rosario second by vice chair raise discussion see none I'll call the question all in favor say I i oppos no the eyes have it good night
the good news is out of our committee favor recommendation we're going to have a final vote on Tuesday all right appreciate see you thank you all right thank you so much all right do you want to say anything no just you know I was fading to teaching the you know that's a big celebration everybody was waiting
for we've been doing for 16 years so save it for Tuesday so you can talk to everybody here i will do all right have a good night thank you all right let's go to the top go to the
top uh 11925 resident parking at Jackson Court i'm looking for a motion to send this to the police department some motion made by councelor Santiago seconded by Vice Chair Reyes this is for
review all in favor say I i post no the eyes have it uh 120 hold on for one second um which is the one that of the cabs that did not have the signature was it New York City no no no it was a cab right uh
Marramax so need signature no ma'am yes mar so they're the one that needed the signature right okay uh Okay next is 15minute parking on Holly Street in front of Okay on in front of Wilson Auto Service looking for
a motion to send us to the police department and DP i'm always getting these confused why am I having a blank blank just just the police on this just the police and also DPW and that's my question and DPW so move motion made by council del Rosario second by council
Santiago discussion seeing none all in favor say I i the eyes have it dpw dpw yes and DPW and please yep okay uh document number 12125 which I do we have anything for
that we have nothing i don't Does anybody have anything i've got some resolutions here uh I don't have that one though and you know we're going to table cuz sometimes she likes to bring them here so um looking for a motion to table
document 12125 so much there's no I mean if if we had the document that' be one thing we have nothing motion made by councelor Santiago is there a second second second by councelor Del Rosario all in favor say I i post no you guys have it
the next is I think we have this one right nope uh resolution honoring Marisol Alman almansar how do I pronounce that almansar i say it right palanco um we have no
documentation i have nothing on that i'm looking for a motion to table and and and inform counselor the vice president that she should at least give us something is there a motion motion to table item 1225 motion to table made by
councelor Santiago is there a second second by councelor Del Rosario all in favor say I post no the eyes have it uh childc care parking 336 Walnut Street council you want to make this motion you want to make Who's going to make the
motion i don't care yeah I can do the motion well let's hear it somebody Someone make a motion motion to send for the the police department and DPW motion to send the document to DP the
item 12325 gotcha and that's a childcare parking at 336 Walnut Street second motion has been made by councelor Santiago second by vice chair I'm sorry by councelor Dela Rosario discussion see none i'll call the question all in favor say I i the eyes
have it post no the eyes have it 12425 handicap parking 343 South Broadway you want to make the motion yeah second by DPW motion to send the police department to DPW by the vice chair is there a second
second by council del Rosario discussion see none i'll call the question all in favor say I i oppose no the eyes have it uh no parking on uh 50 Willow Street looking for a motion to send for the DPW and police
department item 12525 do we do we want to go no parking do we send those to the DPW or just the police on that one it's it's it's a one of those corner things again i'm reading the letter i think uh
it's No it's it's it's near the her near their driveway she has a picture of a vehicle that is somewhat impeding getting out of the her driveway she to her credit
uh she says the yellow markings on the corner of the lot do not seem to be effective in preventing improper parking or maintaining sufficient clearance for maneuvering the only thing that I would add to that and I I don't want to see another law on this is I would love to see before we get to that law is to for
the DPA to put a sign i find a sign that says no parking from here to the driveway far more effective in my experience far more effective and we don't need to pass a law for that and do a public hearing and yada yada so I that's what I would would like to see
happen here rather than a law cuz that once we start doing this we're going to have driveways all over the city people are going to it's I'd rather have a sign and we don't need a we don't need an ordinance we can just DPW just do it that's my re that's my
thought so I'll I'll wait for a motion for what purpose for what purpose to review the to review the the feed because they supposed to have the feed no parking here to corner
do you want to did you want to put a sign you want to go with an ordinance and just to put it the sign but review the the the feet because they are the northern to put it the DPW have the the the yeah the authority and they say how
many feet the no parking have to be to the corner or to the driveway so my question I'm not I'm I'm having this is a conversation so my question is I think there's already um an ordinance or there's already language that says
that you you cannot impede and there needs to be some sort of space i forget the amount of feet uh between the it is 9 ft you've done this research so is it 9 ft so we know the answer right so wouldn't it be better if we just asked them to put the sign up at the proper
proper place wouldn't that be the proper motion then so is your motion then to to ask DPW to to put a proper signage next to Yeah the proper language with the feet okay so there's a motion to send correspondence
to the DPW requesting that they place proper signage at this driveway intersection and we can send them the packet can we give this to them do you need this or do you have it you have it and then we can send it up to the
full council with a recommendation to withdraw so so there's so we get it's a big motion all right it's a motion to instruct DPW and then withdraw it is there a second to the motion second seconded by council and vice chair Reyes discussion see no discussion
i'll call the question all in favor say I post no the eyes have it let me write that down dpw instruction document 12625 removal handicap park in a 108x Lexington Street is there a motion
motion to what to remove so you want to send this up to full council order public hearing this is removing why do they This is weird why do they give us a license driver's
license if they're looking to remove it hold on okay maybe she's giving us a new address so where is this look this is at 108 Lexington Street okay so this uh resident is no longer
there so we're looking for a motion to order to to order a public hearing at the full council level so motion made by councelor Delh Santiago is there a second second by council del Rosario discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I no the eyes have it order of
public hearing public hearing correct that was very infully said but yeah that's exactly the idea resident parking at Havil Street between Jackson and Newberry oh boy on something like this counselors there
was a time where we actually had the residents show up and the reason why that is is it's good to get an idea of who supports this because not everybody on the street wants this and it can get kind of
ugly i've been in the middle of ugliness it's not pleasant um so I throw that out there to two and I don't know eventually we're going to a public hearing so people can have a chance to speak but no one's going to read the
public hearing notice so I'm looking for a motion we can table and invite them here or we can send this up the cat's out of the whatever motion to send correspondent to the proponent and motion to table that second motion made by councilar second sign by vice chair we and Teresa I think is probably
everybody to invite to invite her to the next ordinance meeting right all in favor say I opposed no the eyes have it that's also tabled uh invite next one is one year anniversary of the
celebration of campaign in common they're not here motion oh what do you She had the largest okay when is when is the um when is it july we do have time we have time it's July
we're in April right motion to invite her to the next uh ordinance meeting motion made is there a motion to table second by councelor Del a motion by Delar second by vice chair Reyes to motion the table all in favor say I oppos none of the
eyes have it document number 133 stop sign at Crescent Street Rosari this is yours what's your What's your motion motion of Senator Police and also DPW for review second motion made by council del Rosar second
by vice chair Reyes discussion seeing none I'll call the question all in favor say I i pos no the eyes have it 134 where's our national grid people they're not here i I don't see them on
here um do you want to table 13425 to table second motion to table is made by councelor Santiago second by Vice Chair Reyes all in favor say I i post no the eyes have it 13525 relocate two JO poles on Aspbury Street motion to motion
to table council Santiago second by by Council Lel Rosario all in favor say I i post no the eyes have it 13625 handicap parking at 49 Bradford Street
motion to send the police and DPW for review uh there is a motion and seconded on this one right here there's um usually we get like more stuff like the handicap placard there's nothing in here yeah she don't have anything you know
she does it's not in our packet if it is 136 right so she just needs to make sure we will send it to the police department but she needs to get that stuff over okay motion's been made and properly second all in favor say I i post no the
eyes have that was just the police department or police and DPW dpw got it all right 139 25 we have documents with us 137 did
I miss 137 i'm sorry i'm That's the one sorry council 13725 ordinance proposal to prohibit school buses from parking on residential street council Rosario go ahead thank you Tusha i know you you want to avoid that because we had a
conversation about it but I know there's there's an ordinance already in place but we need to to do some type of update uh to that ordinance what I read the ordinance it says certain streets can we talk a little bit about what it is my colleagues may not know what you're trying to do here yeah i mean I'm trying
to We already have an ordinance that prohibit school buses to park on the street when they not in service basically when they not picking up kids or dropping off kids at what I see drivers do for their own convenience they not I mean they not mandate to take
those vehicles home but they do they take it home for their own convenience and when they park on the streets with all this parking chaos that we have they'll take parking spot for our constituents and our residents um when they can just drop off the bus pick up the car and then go and pick up and grab
the buses so what I'm trying to what I'm trying to do is even though we have an ordinance is to update the ordinance that prohibit those vehicles to park uh because right now it says in certain street and when you go into into the ordinance uh most of the street or none of the street are listed on on the
ordinance so that ordinance should read that they shouldn't park on our street uh because it's also like I said an ordinance of 10,000bs but I want to go further into that i would like to prohibit school buses plates and also pupils uh pupils plates which it's it's
part of that um it's if you seen on if you go to places near where the elderly lives there's there's buses parked um and those the elderly's have an issue to cross i mean they can see around it is is dangerous also when you
see two buses parked side to side they narrow our streets besides also uh I mean you lose like when two buses are parked you lose 10 almost 10 uh cars parking spot for two buses that you park there so there's an ordinance in place
we just need to update the ordinance and prohibit them to park when they not in service if they picking up kids that's fine they drop enough kids on those schools hours or or special field trips that's fine but when they not in service they shouldn't be parked on our streets
and and and again if you go to the small pop and mop shops which they have a small buses and and the little little companies they all have parking spots is this big huge company that we all know the name is they allowing the drivers to park the cars on the streets or they
take the buses to the streets i can name you a couple of bus companies they small from our city and they have parking and they bring the buses back to their parking spot charter school have Ramon transportation ramon pick up the kids drop them off and go and park on the
charter school premises i roof transportation that that lady has a parking spot on her house she take the bus back to her house um I can name the company if that's okay uh the huge company around the area is NRT when you drive around you have all those buses parked nothing against the company it's
just the issue that we have with parking and also the dangers that that bring to our city so we need to take that in consideration it's already an ordinance in place again it's not being enforced so we need to bring that to their attention either if it's to the company and also recheck that ordinance and make
the name of the streets or make all our streets for them not to park on the streets uh we struggling with parking and every time you park a bus you you lose two or three parking spot and those buses are park in residentials area so counselor yeah i thought you did you
I thought I saw something where the city attorney drafted something did do you I did draft it i sent it to him and then what he sent when he sent me back was was the ordinance so I I wanted to have Okay i wanted to have to see if that language was proper to what I like to do i do have it they they didn't include it
in the package i think because I sent it to the city attorney to make sure that that language was okay but that's what I want to see i mean if we want to table this and bring and I can bring copy of what what I'm looking to see but because there's an ordinance in place what we am
looking now to do is just to update that ordinance not create a new one no I'm I'm looking for the ordinance which is I'm not finding do you know what do you remember the number on that commercial vehicles are prohibited at all times there's an ordinance for that
only on Mason Street that's weird and on Temple Street that's commercial vehicles uh I thought it the other day real quick and I'm not finding it real quick today i was I'm trying to think of is it
trucks commercial commercial vehicles i remember that i just what I'm trying to pull that up because I I just want to I want to help and just put a um No reason that's weird
10 32 020 102 020 10 3220 Y got it 103220 got it okay um commercial parking prohibited on certain streets and also what I want to bring to your attention is that these
companies tell the insurance company that those buses are parked in a parking spot that they have shelter for those buses but those buses are all over our streets so uh so here's the law and you already have this this is just to read it for the rest no person shall park or
leave standing on any street or portion of the street any commercial vehicle having a manufacturers's gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 lbs or more or any fully sized bus including school buses um doesn't Okay that's that's the
crux of it when you me when you mentioned NRT I don't I think you're using as an example you you weren't targeting them you're talking about any school bus any school bus right that cuz that ordinance is also not cover this is that's the big ones that's the one you
see everywhere basically I just don't want I don't want the watching to think that you're No no no I'm not no it's just every school bus 10,000 pound even I mean if we can somehow update the audience to a school bus's license plate which cuz I know they go into that now
you see school buses back in the days you say pupils I think it is um and they pupils license plates on school buses and also regular school buses license plates so we should bring the the the ordinance or update the ordinance to set those so that way none
of the school buses regardless of what company or what size are parked or what weight or you don't make it if it's No I mean those are commercial what about a van that's at the end of the day that's a commercial vehicle you're right and and it violate the ordinance regardless how small the van is it's a commercial
vehicle so we need to look into that i mean if we need to table it and and and bring it back to the city attorney but again those also that ordinance also is not being enforced at all in the city or or let me let me let me let me help the
bus companies or they don't know that is that they they don't know that there is a ordinance in place and they allowing the employees to take the buses home or to park it on the streets so unless we enforce the ordinance that we
have and send the message back to those companies that they cannot park those vehicles on the street when they're not in service because I I I mean I'm going to play devil avocado and I'm and I'm going to believe that the bus companies don't know that we have an ordinance because
it's not being enforced so uh I just want to make sure I'm clear are are you looking at what about what about vans um and many school buses cuz I often times I will see like minivans that are acting as school buses
they have the school bus lights and all that is this part of what you're looking at as well um so your your concern is the the commercial vehicles it's it's commercial vehicles in general what it is is none of the drivers because again none of the
drivers are mandate to take those vehicles and park it on our on our streets and our cities i used to be a bus driver i used to be a school bus driver i still held my license and I used to go to a parking lot park my vehicle with the company and pick up my bus and go and do my work and if I
wanted to keep the bus they will allow me to i didn't have to but they will allow me to so but right now it wasn't back in those days it wasn't the chaos of parking that we have now right and I mean and now not just that they also
park careless they I mean they park in the corner people cannot see to cross right congestion down streets it's I mean it's we need to reinforce this we need to revise the ordinance is your intention as well to have it
citywide or certain streets it should be citywide because what's going to happen is I'm going to restrict my my district and they're going to move to your district and then you have the same issue so and that's why it should be citywide are you uh one more I'm sorry I'm asking
lots of questions so So would it make a difference to you if the school bus was parked in an industrial or business zone as opposed to a residential zone yeah if they can park in a business zone but also that I mean there's business zone here they have tons of residential well
there's like right like a B1 or B2 they're they're grandfathered with with residential mixed use right so So that's why our zoning is so cool it's Yeah so I mean if it's spot zone and I mean it they should be they should be
not well they not allowed to park again the ordinance is not being enforced so we need to revise the ordinance make it a little stronger and send the message to the bus companies that they shouldn't be in our streets when they're not in service
i drove a school bus and I go to city for field trips i back in the days and I remember that I used to go to to a mall cuz I wasn't allowed to park on the streets while the school bus was not in service city nearby and I used to drop the kids they go to the field trip and I
have to find parking spot where I was allowed to park which most of the most of the time was going to a mall or store near there to park and the drivers the school bus drivers know that when they go to field trip in some cities that they cannot just park on the city this
is the only city they allow them to do that even though we have an ordinance so what do you want us to do what's our next step well the next step it's it's it's draft whatever we going to change i think again I think the ordinance should change and says north certain street not
citywide they shouldn't park citywide and we need to enforce it uh it also send correspondence to whoever has a I mean I don't know how we're going to do it to the bus company that there's there's an ordinance there and they need to comply with the ordinance in the meantime while we
adjust this ordinance so I I did talk to our city assessor about this months and months ago because we're thinking the same thing and um what I was told this is months ago now that um because I I was thinking I I what I
don't want to do is target the drivers i it's the company that's not the company you mentioned but any company the companies that's they should be knowing better that's where I think we our focus should be
um but there's nothing as you said unlawful right now for them if it's under 10,000 and so I said why would they why would they why would the bus why would the any of those companies allow for that to take place because the insurance cost in in
Lawrence is is pretty it's higher than oftent times someplace else but I guess the registration costs for vehicles are less in our city so that maybe they find it advantageous that maybe it's a wash and they just let it out of convenience
for the resident who doesn't have to drive to the mall or drive to the other community and they find it easier that's the reason why but they don't threw you but I don't argue with him just yeah they all they all have one address on a registration they not as a driver they
not allow you to register on your street and then they put insurance somewhere else so they have a spot for those buses they have a spot as you see when you go to your district you see that the Cinemax is full of buses they have some
type of contract there that they park there for their own convenience so that's a great spot for them to put the the buses in there do you go ahead we can either part of the conversation uh when we receive when we receive some
some uh complaint when when they our constituency a lot of school buses around and they call to police department and also they call us uh when they review the ordinance they say okay
we don't have any direction what we can do to the next task so that's really great to to have today and having this conversation okay so I'm looking for a motion what do you want to do you want to you want us to refine so we
need something to work off of yep i I I did send their fin I still have it i I did send it to the city attorney okay um and also we need to change or revise the ordinance and it stated that it's not certain streets citywide should be the
ban um for the school buses and also we need to send correspondence to I don't know how we're going to do it but we need to send correspondence to every school bus out there to let them know that is ordinance in place right now that they violated by allowing these people to park on the streets
if it's over £10,000 if it's right now if it's over Yeah those over 10,000 if we start that they violating that i mean they park all over the street £10,000 and more we got trucks parked on the streets right i'm just trying I'm trying to move this
along i I want to get to your end point but I'm trying to figure out how how are you envisioning us getting to where you want to get so what we how are we getting there what's our first step what are we doing tonight what we vote are we voting on anything what are we doing i mean I think again we need to have a
conversation with the city attorney to revise the ordinance and change that word in the say in certain street and put a citywide and implement that ordinance and enforce it here's my recommendation counselor my recommendation to you would be to do that it's your proposal work however you
want to work it give us something we're working off of give us a template you want to have it all streets you wanted to have it in certain zoned areas you wanted to have it um you wanted to remove the 10,000 foot requirement 10,000 foot the 10,000 pound requirement
what whatever it is you're looking for if you can bring to us whatever it is that you're looking for however if it's a city whoever you're working with and then we can have a document here then we could then we can have a conversation we like this whatever or we can make this stronger whatever it is that we all
agree to that might be a good thing so would you be willing to to take that first stab sure okay all right okay so in in that case why don't we make a motion we'll take it up whenever you're ready we'll make a motion to table tonight and then whenever you bring it up we'll have a conversation motion to the table second motion made by council
del Rosario second by vice chair Reyes all in favor say I i oppos no the eyes have it okay next now these items document 139 is a resolution uh oh this is a template resolution let me see here okay
so um this is pretty self-explanatory i I I feel comfortable sending this up as is uh we don't have the students names but I think we all know whoever it is that they're going to get somebody's got these names so motion to send dock 13925 to full council referral recommendation
motion made by council del Rosaro second by vice uh second jeez Louise second I'm getting tired seconded by councelor Santiago discussion see no discussion and by the way this is a great idea all in favor say I i no the eyes have it favor recommendation and the next one is
similar I think right yep motion to send document 14025 the full con of federal recommendation so this is actually let's write we can read this person this is a this is for the varsity wrestler Hillary McDonald the previous one was for the school's theater program i didn't say that this
is for um and this this young lady is impressive i just want to make sure we have the proper spelling because what's on the agenda and what's on this sample document are two different spellings of her first name so if we could uh just make sure that's correct because that's
embarrassing if it's not uh motion has been properly made by who by council Rosaro seconded by who council vice chair Reyes uh no discussion all in favor say I i oppos no the eyes have
it anything else on the agenda motion to adjurnn second motion made by uh council del Rosaro second by vice chair Reyes discussion see none all in favor say I no the eyes have it thank you oh my god yeah this is way too