Okay, we are on. So, >> not yet. Not yet. >> We're not on. >> That's me. Oh, >> thank you. But yes, no, just close it. I don't know what
>> Okay, we're we are now live. So, let me call the ordinance and intergovernmental relations committee to order. Today is Tuesday, November 25th, 2025. Um, I'll ask the clerk to please call the role.
>> Hey, Councelor Gregory Rosario, >> absent. >> Absent. Councelor Selena Reyes, >> present. Councelor uh Frank Miguel
>> present >> and chairman Mark Llan >> present. Pursuant to chapter 20 the act of 2022 this meeting of the ordinance committee is being conducted via remote participation a reminder that persons or people who would like to listen or view this meeting while in progress may use
any of the following access locations including this the zoom link or the Facebook Lauren city council page and the YouTube Lauren City Council page. We have no minutes for approval. Let me just take this opportunity right now to congratulate and welcome our newest city councelor, councelor Franklin Miguel, to
the ordinance committee. Welcome, sir, and congratulations again for being here. It's a lot of hard work. Uh, and you're immediately thrown into this committee and and this is uh you may not be here long tonight, but this is usually one of the committees that does a lot lot of the heavy lifting in the city. So, thank you for being a part of this.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Um, we're just going to go in order. I don't think this police department's here. Uh, so the document 45825 is a request to reszone a parcel of real property at 128 Parker Street. We received a
correspondence from Dan McCarthy who has asked us to table that here. This is being also sent to the I believe the planning board for their review. And so, um, we there's nothing we really should
be doing on this until we let the planning board do their work and they can submit their recommendations over to us and then we can take it take it from there. So, um, looking for a motion to table document 45825. >> Motion by the vice chair Reyes, seconded
by councelor Miguel. A roll call vote. Okay. Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. Councelor um Selen Reyes. >> Yes. Councelor Gary de Rosar absent and
chairman Mark >> Llan chair both present. I was remiss uh for doing our pledge of allegiance. We always do the pledge of allegiance. It's important that we do that. So without if there's no other objection, let's just do that right now. My apologies for being in this out of order.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, >> and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, >> with liberty and justice, >> for all.
>> Thank you, counselor, for that accommodation. >> All right, we do have handicap parking. Uh we have several here. Um uh what we we do here counselors, we send these over to the police department for their review and they bring this
back. I will tell you that uh a couple years ago I started this process. It's dead in the water. What I would like to do to move potentially move this out of the city council's primary jurisdiction and and have a a a um a board that's
made up of just to deal with parking issues, specifically handicap parking or handicap parking committee. Uh what I would like to see happen potentially is we do have um we do have uh the um um
Mr. Rodriguez who is part of the the Council on Disabilities who has been helpful on this. But I would really love to uh with his new enhanced duties uh see if he could help us do the transition. We got a lot of the language in there is just the transition from what we have now to there. I just throw
that onto your radar. Uh because that's that's the sticking point that I'm in right now is just getting from where we are now with the ordinances and how do we transition to a possible new system where we have a potentially a zoning um not a zoning a handicap parking
commission that could take all of these handicap matters and then more quickly uh and expeditiously get to a resolution on them. um and that way freeing up um freeing up our time and quickening their response. So there's nothing we can do
on that tonight. Um but it's not on the agenda, but that's something that um that I I throw that out there. So the first document is 45925 Handicap Parking at 446 Hable Street. Looking for a motion to send that to the police department. >> A move.
>> Motion made by by Vice Chair Reyes. >> Council chair. >> Is there a second? Second by councelor uh Miguel. Um I'm going to call the role. I let the record that council del Rosario is here. Clerk, please call the role. >> I have
Rosario >> present. >> Thank you. >> Is there discussion on this matter on documents? >> The address. >> Go ahead. >> Yes, it's um What is the address once again on it? >> The address on the agenda it says 446
Havil Street. It's 464. If we can do that for the record. >> Yes, >> it's the address is 464, please. If we can uh amend that. >> It actually um let me see what if
there's a >> Yeah, if I'm not mistaken. >> No, you're right. Well, the the memo that was sent uh to from the city clerk to you says 446. However, on the individual's license that I think you're trying to
accommodate, her address is 464. >> Yeah, that's the correct address. If we can amend that and and reflect 464, that would be appreciated. Thank you. >> Sure. So, I'm looking for a motion to amend this request to to uh to 464 Hel Street. Is there a motion?
>> Motion to amend. >> Motion made and seconded by Council Del Rosario. Any further discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the We said police department, please call the role. >> Councelor Greg Del Rosario,
>> yes. >> Councelor Selena Reyes, >> yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel, >> yes. >> And Chairman Mlan, >> yes. Motion carries. Next document is
document 46025, handicap parking at 41 Juniper Street. Looking for a motion to send him to the police department for recommendations. >> Move. >> Motion made by the vice chair. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by council del Rosario.
Discussion. Seeing none. Clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Councelor Gregory Del Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. and chair member at the plan.
>> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is 46125 handicap parking 15 Brook Street. >> Motion to send to the police department for the review. >> Motion made >> and seconded by Vice Chair Reyes. Discussion.
See no discussion. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Selena Reyes. Yes. >> Councelor G Rosario. >> Yes. >> And chairman Miracul.
>> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is 46225 handicap parking at 8789 Greenfield Street. >> Motion to send the police department for review. >> Motion made. Is there a second? Seconded
by Vice Chair Reyes. Discussion. See no discussion. I'll call the I'll ask the clerk to call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Councelor Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Greg Del Rosario. >> Yes.
>> And chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Motion carries. Next document is 4 I'm sorry 46325 handicap parking to May Street. Looking for a motion. >> Motion center.
Motion made by coun council Miguel to send to the to the police department. Seconded by uh councelor vice councelor delario. Discussion. >> See no discussion. Clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Selena Reyes.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Gre Rosario. >> Yes. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Llan. >> Yes. Chair votes yes. Motion carries. Um
the next one is 46425. Um install a J pole on Beacon Street uh near Andover Street. I'd like to get a motion. Uh any kind of motion will do for discussion on this matter. I do have an update for the committee.
Motion favor motion is extended committee report. I don't care. Some sort of motion. Anything. >> Oh motion to send committee report. Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second by councelor Miguel. Uh discussion. So, uh councelor, I just
want to bring you up to speed. I had a chance to meet with the with the uh national grid last week with three of their members. I'm surprised that one of them is not here, but it's okay. Um I wanted to get a better handle and report back to you. What are we looking at for
double polls in the city? Um, what I learned in our discussion was as of that date, this is about a week or so ago, we had about 226, they're called open tickets for uh for that, which I think is interpreted to double polls. Um, we
at the time, again, this things are fluid, but at the time there was Verizon, Comcast, and there was another organization that's kind of an offshoot of AT&T. I forget the entire name, but I'm going to go with AT&T, although although that's not completely accurate. Uh what is fascinating in addition to
that is that there were three uh city agencies that also uh had open tickets with meaning double polls but open tickets. DPW, the IT department and the fire department. Um so before what I
wanted to do that that caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting to hear that and so I quickly scheduled a meeting with uh representatives from each of those city departments. So, I met with them yesterday and uh what I wanted to
report back is that um as of last week, DPW had 62 open tickets. Uh there was a matter of they did a lot of work, but needed to update their um the spreadsheet and their computer code. So, now they're down to 11. It has 38 and
the fire department has 16. So the the action items that came from our my meeting with the city officials yesterday was this. The action item was what I learned from from Chief Pat Delaney. There's actually is an ordinance uh that um that states that
any uh telecommunication company um I should actually pull it up. I don't have my witness book here, but um there's essentially I think I think 90 90 days for them to go ahead or six months to go ahead and with and take down the
secondary poll. So, we have an ordinance that's already on the books that deals with it. Maybe I can find it real quick. And I'm going to do that as we speak. Um I think I can get this quickly. Bear with me.
There it is. The ordinance is 8.24.020. It's entitled double utility and telephone poles prohibited after statutory time limits. A distribution company, I think National Grid is a distribution company. A distribution
company or telephone company engaging in the removal of an existing pole and the installation of a new pole in place thereof shall complete the transfer all wires all repairs and the removal of the exist existing pole from the site within 90 days from the date of installation of
the new pole provided that any approved commercial industrial construction project the completion of which is expected to take longer than one year said company shall be required to remove the pole within six months from the date of the installation. So, um, it goes on a little bit further, but there was a there's already an ordinance in the
book. This was adopted back in 2008. This is I wasn't on the council at that time. In 2008, um, so I sent an an action item was to send an email to the city attorney, which I did, uh, which I did I think yesterday or today. I forget, maybe it
was today. Um, asking for some clarification. Well, we also what I also found out there may be that there's an understanding that the city owns the polls. And so now the question that I had for the city attorney that I sent by email was,
is it true that we own the polls by contract? Um, so that's number one. Number two, how does this ordinance fit into what we're dealing with right now? So, I'm waiting to hear back from him, but that was um pretty pretty important
bit of information that I said to the group that I would relay to you tonight. So, that's so I don't have an answer yet from the city attorney. Uh that was I probably I think they sent it lunchtime today. So, I haven't heard back from him. Um that's one. The other action
items is that there was going to that both the fire and it were going to get the list of their remaining polls so that they can do an ID and quickly look at it and see what they can do to either get that off the list so that we can move or we whoever the Wii is national
grid can move on that um on the removal of the polls. The third thing and this is a national that I did not discuss. What I'm curious in now is I'm going to be asking and if a national grid is watching our this deliberations tonight, if they were here, I would ask him this
question. Can within the last year, how many double polls have been removed? Because what's happening to to the city's credit, the city is meeting once a month with National Grid to talk about the double polls. I just want to see and I think you all do. We want to see what
the progress is on it. tonight. We have one more that we're going to be that that's that's before us right now, but we have several others. Um, I get what they're gonna what they've said. This is important that we move on this because there are constituents of ours rateayers
who need to have updated systems in place uh so that they can get uh the the the what whether it's Comcast or Verizon whatever their whatever their service provider is the service upgraded service speeds because everybody wants
faster service. So, I get all that, but there's a tug, right, between what are we doing with respect to the double polls versus getting these things up as quickly as possible. So, I didn't I I wanted to report back to the committee. I don't necessarily have an answer except that we're still getting more
information. I don't want I I don't I I'm I'm kind of torn. I I would like to see us move even though we don't have the answers for all. I don't want to see us move on all of them, but I like to see us maybe maybe move on a few of the older ones that are outstanding so that
they're the National Grid's getting the message that we want to move on this quickly. That message is being sent and received. Um but I but while they're working on it with us, maybe we can release a few of them. Just a thought. um some of the older ones that are here.
I'm looking back to I think at the October 7th meeting. There was um there's a bunch there that maybe we could maybe we can throw those up. But that's just I I throw that out to the committee as a possible action item while we're wait not not all of them
while we're waiting to get more answers. Anybody have any questions or discussions or thoughts on this? All right. Um >> do we have I do have a question. >> Yeah, sure. >> Um do we know how many polls like we
have to do for the fire alarm and the it? >> Sure. So the number that was given to me last week was it has got 38 and fire has 16. And talking to the fire chief, he was afraid that we he had over a hundred, but the number is actually 16.
Um, and so but but but like I'll repeat what they're going to do is that if they haven't gotten it already, they're getting them soon. They're getting the list so they can actually go and look at the polls. disturbing thing is that there seems to be an an unnecessary step where we're taking the light the light
fixtures off and then or they're taking it off and they're leaving it there and then we've got to pick it up and and it just seems very >> it's rather than putting a a new pole in, putting a new light fixture up, taking the old pole off, we're doing something that leaves the second the second pole there, which is like why
what are we doing? So, um we're looking to see if we can figure out a way to make that happen faster. All right. So, um, what I would recommend, here's my recommendation. I' love to hear what your thoughts are. My recommendation is
that on this item that's before us right now, that we table this item. Number one. Number two, we go back into the uh the October 7th meeting, there's one, two, three, four. There's five that are there, right? Sorry. Excellent point.
Six. Six. the six that we can possibly release. We do have I want to make sure we have enough here. We've got two, three, more than that. I would just because I see there's other two I think there's three others alto
together. So I I'd like to keep a small number there just so we have that there and see you know with the hope that we can move toward removing some of the double polls more quickly but I don't want to stall all of them. So my thought would be we take three from the October
7, 2025 and and move those up to the full council as a committee report to order a public hearing. That would be my recommendation. I know several of them are in my district. >> Yes, ma'am. I'm listening. >> I'm sorry, it's Maria. Um
>> Maria, >> there's um also in July. >> Yes, >> July 7th. There's two more there from >> Thank you. >> I think they brought it up the last time. Oh, >> I do see that. Thank you.
>> On top of the page. >> I see it. Yeah. >> Okay. Sorry. >> You know, I would be just happy with just I mean, honestly, just those two. Uh those have been there since July. We move on those two. At least we show that we're moving on some of them while we're
still waiting for answers. So, it's not like we're playing hard ball completely. We do want answers. uh we're slowing things down a little bit till we get some answers, but we are still releasing some things. So, that's uh a recommendation that I would have to the committee. >> Yeah.
>> Yes, sir. >> Uh first of all, thank you for going above and beyond and trying to get that for us. And I believe that yes, we can move with whatever is holding and and maybe connect again with national grid
eventually to get an update for I mean what they planning to do with with PS that maybe needed to be removed six months ago and we know those services are needed. So we can move on with those that been there sitting since July.
>> All right. So we do have unless anybody else wants to speak on this matter. There is one matter before us right now. I would I would look for at this point a motion to table item 46425, the one that's this week's one. Is there a motion to table that item?
>> So move. >> Motion made by the vice chair. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second by councelor Del Rosario. Discussion. No discussion. Uh clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Um councelor Franklin Mal.
>> Yes. Councelor Gregor de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Plan. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you. >> If there is no objection, I'd like to go
to number 29825. Uh install 1J pole at the midspan pole on Mount Vernon and Crawford Circle. I'm looking for a motion. It go either way. I'm looking for a motion that we send this up with a fable recommendation. It could be a committee report. item doesn't make a difference. Um looking
for any motion to send that up. >> Motion to full council with a favorable recommendation. >> Motion made by councelor Del Rosario. Is there a second? >> Second by second by councelor um council Miguel. Uh discussion and this order
public to order a public hearing. >> Public hearing. Right. >> Order of public hearing. Correct. Motion has been made and properly second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Sure. Um, councelor Franklin Miguel.
>> Yes. >> Councelor Rego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> And Chairman Mark Llan. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Um, the next item, if there's no objection, is 2992 install JO
pole with a midspan pole P74650 on Mount Vernon Street near James Street. Looking for a motion to send this up with the fa favor recommendation to order a public hearing. Is there a motion? >> Motion to send a full council with a favor recommendation to order a public hearing. >> Motion made motion made by councelor Del
Rosar, second by vice chair Reyes. Discussion. >> Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Gregor Rosario.
>> Yes. >> And Chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Motion carries. We do have some police reports that I'd like to take up if we could uh in the order that I have them. I
don't think the police department is with us. So, um the first one that I have is document 39925. 39525 is in our agenda on the October 7th meeting. Um if there's no objection, I'll go forward
with this one. Uh this is an request for handicap parking in front of 288 Lawrence Street. Uh the police department has a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at that address. Looking for a motion to send this up to the full council with a favorable recommendation order a public hearing.
>> I'll move. >> Motion made by vice chair. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second by council Gazario. Discussion. See now clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Frankie Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Councelor Greg de Rosario. Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Land. >> Yes. Motion carries. >> Next document is 401
25 handicap parking at 25 Belmont Street. The police department has a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address. Looking for a motion to send this up to the full council with a favorable recommendation order public hearing. >> Motion to send a full council favor recommendation order.
Motion made and seconded by Vice Chair Reyes. Discussion. See none. I'll clerk please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes.
>> Councelor Gre Rosario. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. Next item is >> if there's no objection 40225 handicap parking at 81 Bunker Hill Street Police Department has a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at
this address. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to senator full council with a favor recommendation to order a public hearing. >> Motion made. >> Second. >> Seconded by vice chair Reyes. Discussion. >> Seeing none clerk please call the role.
>> Councelor Frank Miguel. >> Yes. Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. >> Councelor Grego Rosario. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Lan. >> Yes. >> Two more document. There no objection
for 325. Uh this is for 94 Draco Street. Police Department has a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address. Looking for a motion. >> Motion to senator full counsel to favor recommendation to order a public hearing. Motion made and seconded by Vice Chair
Reyes. Discussion. Seeing none, clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Frankly Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Selena Reyes, >> yes. Councelor Grigo de Rosario, >> yes. >> And chairman Mark Lant.
>> Yes. Motion carries. >> Thank you. >> Last document uh from the police department is 40425. This is for 52 Basswood Street. This was um police department has a favorable recommendation for handicap parking at this address. Looking for a motion.
>> Motion to Senator full council with a favor recommendation to order a public hearing. >> Motion made and seconded by Vice Chair Reyes. Discussion. >> See no discussion. Clerk, please call the role. >> Councelor Franklin Miguel. >> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Selena Reyes. >> Yes. Councelor Grego de Rosario. >> Yes. >> And chairman Mark Lant. >> Yes. Motion carries councilors. That's it for our expected item. Is there any
other items anybody wishes to take off the table? Thank you. Um what I would recommend not tonight. What I would recommend is that our next meeting uh that we do a little more house cleaning as we get to the end of the year. Uh going to the very end of the page. Again, not tonight. Uh, but
we're going to go back and see what items we can we can move off of this off of the agenda. >> Thank you, Chair. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion made. Is there a second? >> Second. Councelor Miguel. Uh, discussion. Seeing none, clerk,
please call the role. >> Councelor Frank Miguel, >> yes. >> Councelor Greg Rosario, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Selena Reyes, >> yes. and chairman Mark Lan >> votes yes. I wish you all a very good
Thanksgiving with you and your family and we come back again next week and looking forward to meeting with all of you. Motion to adjourn has been made. Thank you everyone. Have a good night. >> Thank you. Have a good night. I