next we'll move to section three special matters section A presentation growth data by the city manager so um thank you Mr mayor members of the commission welcome everybody this evening um I I'll be super brief and answer whatever questions you may or may
not have um and Anna if you'll help me anna's over there on the side there to to flip the sides so Anna if you flip the slide so the the first slide is um obviously we're going to we we start out with the with the prime topic of the evening which is the temporary suspension on annexations
um I did speak with a number of our staff and and various other folks and and obviously from the packets that were disseminated on Wednesday uh my office is recommending the commission to vote against the suspension of residential annexations and reszonings and in this
presentation provides some of the backup for that recommendation um there's there's a few reasons that I wanted to highlight one is um I think really that the policy is bad for our economic development efforts um while there is a considerable amount of growth I think
that the feedback that we have from folks that we work with the folks that we recruit with with folks whether it's industry or commercial type of stuff um you know they look for uh movement and advancement of development issues and um
opposed to growth um is not one that that helps us recruit industry or more jobs or commercial or industry to the city um the next um and and perhaps I use the word legal a too loosely um which maybe I'm do some criticism there
but but I think the intent of the resolution while I think everybody understands it I think at the end of the day it it won't have the effect and that's kind of point three that that everybody wants from it um whether it's a moratorum which I do think has some
legal issues ours is a suspension i know and and Grant will point that out to you very quickly ours is a suspension not a moratorum hence the legal you know if we're going to split legal hairs that's that's where we come into issues on the moratorum but more moratorium suspension time spans i think at the end of the day
what this does is it is is it is it sets bad bad precedent for whatever side of the equation you're on if you're in the development sector uh you're going to be upset because you see an area for for capital expansion and the natural
economy to move forward and if you're an opponent of growth what you see you I think you're you will walk out with the anticipation that growth is controlled there's going to be time to do things but I think in in reality that doesn't happen i think in reality there's a
number of things that go into growth that aren't controlled here at city hall um schools is one roads is one um so a number of other things that goes into how we manage growth and a and a simple
suspension from the city would not be that and the big one that I didn't mention is water water is a significant issue that that we can talk about water all night um but there's a number of things that are associated with water that's outside of the city's control so
later on in the presentation I'll touch on that and and I'll touch on how far I think we can get with water um so we'll revisit that as well too so the next thing I hope that the presentation does is at least from a city manager
perspective um obviously we work with other agencies and we work with a number of people here in the city who are professionals who who put pride into their work and their recommendations a lot of times uh you know most of the time you've seen those recommendations from the planning and zoning department
that favor annexations for one reason or another um so so what I hope the takeaway is is is whether uh the folks agree about planning or or the issue of growth what they'll see is that at least from a planning side uh your city staff
has done everything we can to provide good policy and to manage the growth as as best as possible so with that I'll jump into the growth data so Anna if you flip the slide um so the first thing I want to say out of the box is and a PUD
and and and perhaps some of this is repetitive a PUD is not a development order a planned unit development which so I'm going to use the acronym is not a plan is not a development order so if we approve Whispering Hills and that approved 1,700 homes that approved X
number of acres to change from rural protection area in the county to an a zoned PUD in the city that did not give CARP launch development approval to that development a PUD is really a planning tool so that's another reason you don't
want to stop annexations because if you stop annexations you stop planning so when we put all these little bubbles up on the map which which I provided up front all those are are planned units all those give different agencies ways to plan give us avenues to plan for the
future what we're going to need to bring uh and and the the magic question is is is how fast that's going to come so I talk on that too so the biggest thing I can stress is a PUD is not a planned is not an order it's not a development order it doesn't entitle a developer to
build homes um it references back to a big there's there's two paragraphs in particular that I put in there the transportation paragraph you probably can't read it and and the level of service paragraph you can't probably can't read that either but let me tell you what the on the left you see kind
hopefully you see paragraph it's a paragraph a I can't read the number myself i think it's paragraph six it's transportation that's all the general language we put in there the highlighted paragraphs and there are several paragraphs in that portion of a PUD it basically says before you build you have
to get approvals from other governmental agencies so you have to go to the county you have to go to the state you have to get other governmental approvals and most of our peeds as you'll see on the map are not connected to Leburg roads
they're connect to urban collectors or state or county roads internally those roads or neighborhood roads would be city roads so our PUD spell that out so when developers receive that signed PUD or that approved PUD right in that PUD
there we're saying you can't develop you still have to go talk to other other agencies so that we can plan even better for roads and then the level of service paragraph is super important because what that paragraph does and I highlighted it you can't read it but if
you pull up any of our PUDs which you can easily get online you can you can read it so I will paraphrase what that says is this is not a development order this does not give you the right to build you have to go through a system which is spelled out in chapter 25 article 9 of the city's code of
ordinances it's in the zoning section and it's called concurrency and that section of code talks about all the things that have to be done to move from PUD to development order so I I wanted to point that out so uh to hopefully
dispel any misnoting tool anna next slide um so next I wanted to show approved units and when I did this slide I I left out northwest Leburg but northwest Leburg's on the map
um my personal opinion is is that probably you know while we've gotten a lot of complaints about Northwest and when I refer to Northwest Leburg kind of the 441 Silver Lake corridor is northwest Treasure Trove um Liberty Park those subdivisions Northwest i I popped
up this map um so just to to kind of the the final approved units 39,83 approved residential units um of those units 14,185 are the villages so about 35% of
the PUDs are the villages 25,638 units about 64% are nonvillages um and then I I speculate too just from uh conversation from editorials from different articles that some of the the
major concern uh is that Leburg annexed the RPZs or RPAs rural protection areas of the counties so let me let me talk about that briefly and the city did this in two areas and the city did this in two areas with the approval and consent
of the county now we did that back in 2013 under two under basically three agreements the first one was the 2013 ISBA agreement which is the interervice boundary agreement and and what this map shows you is is a couple of things if
you can see the light green is the area of Leburg's what we we refer to ISBA interervice boundary agreement um the light blue is is is Howie the light orange if you will is uh mascot and the
light yellow is Groveland so kind of in that if you will four areas where all the cities meet right there around Dewey Robbins and 27 those are how all the ISBAs interconnect those ISBAs were approved by the county in 2023 and in
that 2023 document the the non-anexation non-ontiguous annexations was contemplated but it speced out different various levels of what you can and what you can't annex with or without the county's approval and then exhibits were provided in that that specked out areas
where the county preapproved non-ontiguous annexations and where the county disagreed with non-ontiguous annexations um the light area represents the inclusive ISBA areas the dark areas
represent what has been annexed and that's the difference the black line if you will on there that is the the r the rural protect RPA that is the Yulaha Apakka RPA so I thought an important
number to put in there was 4,300 units so in that area the city did annex into the RPA we did annex into the the approved area with the county's understanding uh in 2013 um that understanding was made in 2013
the annexation happened afterwards uh so about 30 I about 11% of the approved PUDS is from that RPA we also uh took in some property outside of our R an RPA outside of our ISBA in Orange Bend
orange Bend is kind of very northwest portion of the city i didn't include that map um but uh that area we went back to the county in 2014ish and we got approval from the county to annex in the Esmeralda Island Esmeralda RPA um and
the county approved that annexation as well so everywhere we've annexed in an RPA we've had county approval the second thing that we did though that I think is important to point out with the with the ISBAs and I'm in the middle bullet point there is in 2014 Lake and Leburg and
Lake didn't do this with all the cities maybe some of them but specifically with Leburg they gave us a carblanche annexation to anywhere inside our ISBA and and we did that in exchange for services so it was in exchange for providing fire services it the the the
cities were the Leburg was permitted to annex anywhere in the box um and we did that in the 20134 time frame those annexations did come later um I got another graph that kind of talks to you about that uh because obviously in that
time frame uh the economic and and political climate was significantly different in 2013 than it is now but so those those issues um were were reviewed were talked about were contemplated you
know so Leburg Leber's not out here just annexing all stuff like a cowboy um I know I know you guys don't want to hear that so So next slide please um so I've heard if I've heard it
once I've heard it a million times leburg hasn't planned we have this crazy growth we haven't done anything um I will tell you that that's untrue so here are 10 bullet points that I've brought up that that that depicts what this city
has done to try to manage all the growth that has been uh put upon us at least in in paper form and planning form so the first thing is uh we you know and the first two really I would think are major how how have we dealt with sewer and how
have we dealt with water so the first way is uh we have done plant expansions at the turnpike plant um several years ago the turnpike plant only handled 3 MGD mgd is million gallons a day so we process a certain amount of waste water
every day of that of 3 MGD I think we're hanging out now around 2 and a half to 2.75 MGD the biggest taker of of our capacity at this stage is the villages we contracted with the villages and we sold them a capacity in our plant
several years ago probably back in the 171 18 time frame uh we sold the villages uh three MGD of capacity back when the plant was rated at three and we only had one uh in use so we oversold capacity but we immediately started
putting on an expansion to the plant so we went from the three to the 4.5 at that time frame we kind of thought about whether or not we needed to expand the turnpike plant more and at that time frame which was about 2017
2018 we did not expand the plant uh because obviously we didn't see the the volume of the PUDS and the volume of requests that would come but since we have changed that tune and we have gone back now to explain the plan a second
time so effective June of 25 June of this year that was our $40 million turnpike expansion plant project um that will handle um a a significant amount of capacity all the capacity of 40,000 units absolutely not to plan for 40,000
units to to to grow in a short period of time though I would suggest is unreasonable i have some data that I'll show you about that as well so really we we we've got uh effective in June we have 1.8 8 MGD of capacity in the sewer
plant at Turnpike um Northwest will flow into Canal canal we we have capacity for that growth and we're also in the process of some early planning where we're going to spend some state grant revenues to do some things to expand the canal plant which is to become uh which
is coming here in the future um excuse me so if you break the math down and and and and I've highlighted some numbers on that chart because this is where we can argue um about well that's too high that's too low it's too fast that's too quick um and it's really
anybody's guess but really what we try to do here in Leburg is especially on the budget side which I think in the past decade we've gotten really adept at is we we do we budget we budget our expenses extremely conservatively and we budget our revenues extremely
conservatively um so uh we'll even and and I've actually been ridiculed from commissioners in the past I think in a nice way but to re projecting our revenues too small um which eliminates expenditures so we really do we really
like to miss on the revenue side low and we like to miss on the on the expenditure side even lower and I think what we see in government is some of the inverse of that will will overstate revenues to squeeze in press special projects but so in any case back to to
these growth numbers um the numbers I have highlighted are really dictated on how much are we using and those numbers vary so for planning purposes we estimate that the typical household uses 250 gallons a month so 250 gallons of of
of waste water out and 250 gallons a day of waste water in for the single family residents and some places were high and some places were low um and and why I say that number is a little bit of a bubble is because some of the newer PUDs have different requirements in it for
yard irrigation we've had different issues with reuse and I'm trying to be super brief here so the 250 number I think is probably a little high but in some places it's it's it's again it's it's it's low but overall you know we
could argue about what that number should look like but I think 250 is a good budget so if you if you divide the 250 into the units that that that um that we can do so 250 you divide it by the capacity number you get we got about
7200 units of capacity that can go into the turnpike plant if you divide that by what we're doing not including the villages I'll talk to that about that uh at another time but not including the villages because the the villages is basically standalone we've been getting
about 30 we've our our growth average has been 32 33 units a month um so divide that by 33 now that 33 and and I'm going to talk about that number a little bit later so I'll save that but so that's the formulatic approach so if you put all those numbers together
roughly you have about 18 years of sewer capacity if you grow at 33 units a month and if you discharge 250 gallons a month so that's the number and it's arguable either way um high or low but I think it's it's a good planning number
um same thing on the water side so we have a consumptive use permit we have several consumptive use permits but we kind of have two standalone operations so we have uh plantation so for those of you who may live in plantation you all have your basically your own water
system that the city of Leburg manages you have your own consumptive use permit you are outside the 9mgd so 9 million gallons a day that we talk about all the time you guys are pretty much set um in fact the the report that Al Pervis just received you guys were part of that um
things are going well in plantation as far as consumption and delivery and all that so what's left for the rest of the city is the 9 MGD so how much of the 9 MGD is is left so our average flow is 7 MGD so when we throw these numbers out
at you remember this is a 12 month average from St john's Water Management District so we can so that number can break high and you can go low but as long as the end of the year you're at your average you've operated within your your allowable take uh from the aquifer
ours is seven 7 MGD and we really haven't exceeded that greatly and and you know that's about where we've been hanging here lately so again same math 250 gallons a day divided by the 2 MGD that thou 8,000 units divide that by 33
so if we grow at that 33 unit a month we really have enough water for I I I can't read my number up there it's like another 20ome years um so those are way out numbers but the important number and really when it comes down to growth and
I'm going to leave it at this because the water the water the the water discussion is extremely uh as complex as the one we're about to have and it's another facet of that but on the water side of the equation the city of Leburg I think what folks need to know is two
things the city of Leburg staff along with our contract engineers Deubberry went to the district last year to increase our CUP from 9 MGD to 15 MGD we used all sorts of documentation that map
in front of you the different growth stuff and long story short the the district told us no they would not expand our cup because we did not demonstrate the need that that was their response um agree with it or don't agree with it
that's what the district said the second thing the district said was come back to us in e a when you've hit your capacity or b in 2030 when our cup expires so that's why I put that date out there
because I think probably from 2025 to 2030 we're going to we're going to see and experience a lot of different things that affect growth that's really going to come from the district water and where I think growth is really more of a of a water issue more than anything else
um so on on point one and point two my point here is to demonstrate the city of Leburg has successfully I think got us to 2030 2035 time frame i think a decade of water and sewer planning is pretty reasonable we've done that with limited
bond issues and we've done that without increasing uh significantly your water and sewer rates and we still were still remain one of the the highest quality providers uh from a weight standpoint from a delivery standpoint in that
municipal service um the next thing that we did is uh we did an agreement with NVR homes so NVR Homes is specked out because Bari which is the fir well Blue Cedar is actually the furthest north major PUB which is the one that's now
under construction but Blue but Bar is the next big one so NVR Homes was the developer of the Barke subdivision and we enter into a bypass sewer agreement with them so ostensibly what that means
is NVR Homes is responsible for building the sewer interceptor that will be built up 27 across uh the the Duke transmission easement then up 33 and to to the turnpike plant so that is the major interceptor that will serve pretty
much all of the subdivisions and PUDs that that are developed in South Leburg off of US 27 on the 33 side those developers then would be required to build a a trunk line up 33 to connect in
to where this interceptor would intersect them which is roughly about the roughly about the intersection the Okahumpa intersection for 40 470 3348 area is a is is is about where the 33 would connect in so so the at one two
and three demonstrate that we we have uh our water and sewer issues specked out and up in the north west side of the community kind of the same issues with pioneering agreements and and whatnot we've we've been able to secure paths to
get water it out and collect sewer in uh gas services agreement uh one of the things that you Leburg is unique about is that we do require that subdivisions that go into Leburg are gas reliant for appliances we've we've got all our gas
service agreements in for that um the next issue um the modifications that we've done for PUZ for landscaping for lighting for different types of things for architectural spectures I I would argue that our our PUDs are very comprehensive on all the things they do
um so before you start saying Leburg doesn't plan correctly I would encourage you to read our PUDS because I think what you'll find is that they're more comprehensive than the county PUDs um and I would point to look at the Drake PUD of the county and I would then have
you compare the Drake PUD of the county to Mount Dora North and South to our typical PUD of the county and what I think you see is you see the county metriculating in PUD language closer to Leburg um we also updated our
comprehensive plan this year which I think is significant and one of the things we did in the comprehensive plan is we did protect Sunnyside the one of the primary reasons at least I think it we protected Sunnyside is because Sunnyside is probably one of the areas in Leburg that is the least connected
most every subdivision you see in in Leburg probably with the major intersection uh PUB of Tiierra Oaks is in one fashion or another connected to a major collector of the county um that's not saying we don't have county road
impacts but that's saying that we are connected to major collectors of the county 48 33 441 uh those those type of roads for the very most part um we've done a tremendous amount of infill
projects and we've really and I think this probably goes unspoken so we we've heard uh that uh that municipalities need to look at other tools in the toolbox to encourage development i will tell you we've done that we've done that through the home grant program where
we've encouraged redevelopment in blighted areas and we've given money we've did the FSL program has also done that um and we've I would also point at the Lee school subdivision the l school was a blighted area in the city and we've done a number of things to try to
encourage a major high density uh PUB in infill areas so when we have opportunities to look at infill I would argue that we're taking those opportunities um in that answer I talked about the seven and eight um electric service I think is actually an
interesting topic to talk about because I would argue that most of our electric as you know we're an electric provider most of our electric service extensions have been in areas not in Leburg they've been more in the Futland Park area uh 466 corridor
um in in that area we have we are starting some ex electric extensions over there to the Silver Lake area but I would say even half of those PUDs are in Duke territory whereas if you go to this map on the south most of the PUDs in
that area is seco territory um so our electric utility I think has managed growth well um we will be talking about the electric utility agnosium I think this budget fiscal year but I see that more of the issues with the electric
utility is associated with inflation and and um and cost of fuel versus growth so I would really say that in the electric department while growth it keep is keeping us busy up in the Futland Park area u the Silver Lake area I would I
would argue that um I lose sleep at night over fuel issues and inflation before growth because I think the electric utilities done a really good job managing growth and then lastly um I would point to this fiscal year's budget this fiscal year budget we brought in
three million new dollars i'll talk about that in a little more detail on coming slides um but we've spent that new growth income on really on on on two major on on two major things on expansion of public safety services and keeping your electric rates
down so that's a snapshot of Leburg's growth plan anna next next slide um I I don't obviously you can't talk about uh growth without roads um and and
you know and I and I think um I think um we will be respectful of whoever speaking to Thank you um because roads are multi-jurisdictional um and so that's that's where communication with the county and probably some of the areas
that if we're going to talk about growth how do we tackle these type of things but you see two maps up there the one on the right is the long plan long range plan and the one on the left is the the short range plan uh from the from the MO uh which the county and the city of
Leburg is a part of and what you see on there is mostly improvements in South Lake the one on the right is really the best uh because what you see is you see kind of a little bit of a red cross there which is the famous Dixie intersection which is the one that continues to be a failing intersection
it's probably been a failing intersection since it's been built and then of course the 441 widening project which has been on the county books for a long time and the city intervened in that and we were actually the ones who stopped that expansioning project when
FDOT uh was ready to do it and now it's been back on the books but has been but continually it it makes the five-year plan but it's the one street that continually gets pushed back i think it's really important at this time to kind of note that unfortunately um that
that roads uh for for both go for most government entities is unfortunately one that is planned in the rears uh because uh the agency it requires impact fees to get it so if you go if you if you take a
look at Lake County we used to have four transportation districts um the the county and the city and then the county then the county plans and spins spends the money accordingly um but but impact fees um in the past were were
coordinated over five districts with five different levels of impact fees um when the county increased uh the impact fees which I think was a which was a a very good move um all the districts were equaled up in terms of uh what they pay
except for the villages which the county created its own impact fee and and I think that also was an interesting move and I also think the correct one um probably not a popular statement uh but really the villages I'm not going to stand before you and say the villages
doesn't have an impact on our roads it certainly does but I think what the okay I'll wait for everybody to stop but I think what really as transportation planners we look at is where's the major impact and what that map on the right reflects is that the
village's primary impact is on the turnpike the major collector because uh pretty much every transportation engineer that works with the villages the villages mode multimodal form of transportation with their carts does
does take an impact off of our roads um that doesn't mean no impact that means they take an impact off of our road and most governmental agencies have seen that impact and the county carving the the villages out and giving them their
own special impact fee reflects that next slide the next thing I want to say is you know the a lot of conversation that we've had in various PUDs that we've reviewed is the the Okaumpa intersection and that is actually on the county's
plan now to improve and so um when we spoke with county staff I think they talked 26 27 time frame for those intersection improvements to be made these are the plans um so when we've talked to county staff that's the information we've got um next
slide the next I wanted to talk about too is is growth so so there there's been a lot of talk I think countywide about who's growing the most where is it happening what's it occurring so so how fast are cities growing and and and what
I would say is individually we're growing slower than the county collectively the cities are growing faster than the county so how let me let me visit some numbers now and talk to you about that phenomenon uh because
growth is not isolated in Lake County to the unincorporate or to the incorporated areas or henceforth I'll call it the cities growth is happening throughout Lake County um so what this chart shows you and what I did is I went back 10
years um and and so what I think the best measure of growth is is actual tax growth for the governmental entity right what is growth based on taxable value for that jurisdiction um so I measured it back all the way to 2015 so that's
about a decade the last 10 years of growth and what you see was about 10 years ago i can't read those numbers we we were we were hanging out around 40% of the county cities now are about 57% of the county in a next slide if
you the data from this slide came from the department from Lake County Board of Education the reason it came from Lake County Board of Education is the board of education is extremely interested in everybody's educational impact fees so
when you pay an an impact fee in Leburg I'd say the average impact fee run right right now for for the typical 1500 foot home runs about $15,000 of that impact fee about nine grand of it goes to the school boards so
the school boards are the lion share of the of the impact fees and that's probably pretty typical for every political subdivision also known as a county uh in the state so they have a vested interest in ensuring uh and double and cross-checking how much
impact fee money they've collected and where it's collected so what do they do is they go back to the the county and as well as the unincorporated building departments to measure what they're collecting versus what the building permits have been issued so I put
together a chart which is that one right there and that chart measures two things on the left side of the column it measures annual permits issued and the bars represents permit issues so what you see is Lake County is you know for
the last three years has run somewhere between 1500 well their low is 1300 their highest 20,000 um and then um then Leburg so Leburg we pop in but I did make an exception because the common the
common debate seems to be all growth is good except you know villages included so we don't count the villages so why is Leburg jumping ahead in this growth debate it's completely related to the villages development the villages be uh
Anna where'd you go it Leburg growth is completely related to the the building permits that were issued in the villages so if you include that over the past the villages built about 3,200 units in the last year
so I put up another chart um which which which brings that number down um and that and and I talked about that a little bit so I really think with the villages you we we you know I'm not saying we can't ignore that growth but we also got to measure it with what the
economy is and and I think that the difference with the villages and typical growth is is the villages has a captured market of a specific demographic that's typically a higher income person that's typically buying a higher value they
typically have more cash and so they they typically work the way you want to see government work they have cash on hand so they typically go out and start putting infrastructure in because they know they control what growth is coming
in behind them in government we don't have that option um and and unfortunately in government what you see is what we see and the extreme example is that is the subdivision that's half done and never gets built so that that's what we deal with so on a on a county
level on an unincorporated level we deal with speculation and what what what what what's fueling the fire in my opinion of all these PUDs is the speculation that the bubble of growth coming up from Orlando through Claremont through
Groveland who if we can get the slides back up I'll show you are still the fastest growers in the county that that growth is now upon us hence the number of PUDs we have so if you take the villages out of our chart and you go
over to the next big circle where I say typical growth that shows you that we are that the city of Leburg is approving less than 500 units a year and so now you can see the chart on the left we've got units per year and then the red line
represents average units a month so that average if you look at that nonvillages growth number is 33 units so that's kind of the big question I pose is when does that 33 unit number start looking like a village number right so the villages
number was like 250 units a month or 300 units a month they they would they absolutely cranked out houses i would argue however that there's um you don't that that's atypical growth for Leburg
our history in our fastest data years maybe we got to 88 90 units for a three-month period and then we've fallen off that that's been our history since I've been here and our history probably even slower than that um before my arrival for the last decade but for the
last decade it's 33 so if you ask me where where do I see that number going in the future maybe was we sustained 50 to 75 and if you take that number and you plug plug it into the equation up front that number still gets us to 2030
so I'll respond back to you what we have on the books versus what we're planning is planned through 2035 so I think that's an important chart the next chart and a flip it is I'm going to shift this number and this is a crazy chart i
apologize and it was I'm and and and I'm trying to make a complex number and put it into a snapshot picture uh so it so it's a little bit more understandable so once a building permit's been issued a house has been built and somebody moves in it now the government starts
collecting revenue on that um and and how do we measure that easily we we measure it by what the total taxable value growth is from year to year so what this chart shows you is a decade of annual growth i put a caveat in it and
I'll explain it for every municipal corporation and Lake County and Lake County for the past decade as long as your total taxable value was over a billion dollars the reason I put that caveat in
there is because we have a couple of slow couple of really super fast growers in Astatoula and uh there's I want to say it's you Matilda but don't hold me to that no it's a Tula sure astatula have been growing at like
50 75% a year but they're still a pretty small number so when you took their numbers and you put this into the chart it skewed it so bad that you couldn't read anything else so I took out the billion dollar cities if you weren't a billion dollar tax assessed value city I took those out so basically but but what
the picture paints though is probably the the the bigger growers where most of the growth is that we're all feeling i think we would all are agree that at this point we're not feeling Astatula growth but in this chart it would not have reflected the point so he took it out so what do we see and what we see is
really in the middle of all this all the it looks like a hurricane preparedness chart right but in the middle of all of that is there's a black line um and that represents the county because the county is their their assessed value is really
reflective of all the cities combined and what you see of the county from 2015 to 2024 is really a steady growth that probably in 2015 and 2015 is a really significant number because 2015 is
really when the economy started growing again after the recession of 2008 to 2010 so from 2008 to 2010 assessed values dropped like a rock you know across the state of Florida we saw 30%
decreases and by 2013 2014 we started coming out of it and and that's probably an important thought I would think too for the ISBAs because that's when those ISBAs were made uh but they were still made um and and and the
city still had those approvals to do what the future brought on but so if you look at who were the fast growers in 2015 up in the up in the chart I wrote those out Groveland Claremont Minnola and Lady Lake interestingly enough Lady
Lake I would argue that was villages growth because what you see on the chart is Lady Lake stabilized i'm gonna come back to Lady Lake i'm gonna come back to Claremont in a middle in a in a second too um and the slow growers the number one slow grower
in Lake County in 2015 was Leburg i want to say 2015 that was a 3% increase that was actually the city's first positive increase in taxable value since 2008 don't hold me to that i have to go back
and look at the data but that was a significant year uh because that was when we saw first growth coming out of the recession and and you see our our red line slowly grow so now let's fast forward through the chart because you can copy everything the one big yellow blip in there um and I cut that off uh
that represents Futland Park in 2017 that was when the villages of Futland Park built out i believe that was about 2500 units that peaked out uh that Futland Park um actually they grew 80% that year um but you see the Futland
Park number fall off so who are the high growers in Leburg or in Leburg I'm sorry in the county in 2024 which is these past numbers by the way all these numbers come from the property appraisers office um so the fast growers
Leburg with the villages um Miniola Groveland Claremont so really but for the villages the past 10 years have remained the same i would I would I would suggest to you that most of the growth that have has occurred has been
in South Lake versus Leburg less the villages and so then again if we if we split the villages out of our growth equation I I will I will capitulate that this is an estimate that that's probably open for discussion but that dotted red line there on the end that represents an
extrapolation of taking the villages taxable value out of our 23 and 24 rolls which is about 750 million this year in 2024 the Leburg's taxable value was about 3.3 billion it was up almost a billion dollars in one year most of that
was accountable to the villages and you can do the math on that 3,200 units at about 400,000 taxable values a year that's where you get those numbers you look up the sales numbers and so these numbers aren't coming you know there these there's some there's some validity behind these numbers and so if you take
that out where you see Leburg is as where that dot bottoms out so then who were the slow growers in Leburg or in the county would be Eustace Mount Dora Lady Lake and Leburg without the grow the villages um so I think some of the
issues that we see here in growth are the massive PUDs that the that the city has improved again not a development order and growth all around us um so I don't think you can singularly sit back and get in an intersection at the Dixie Avenue and say that's because of all the
Leburg PUDs on the books i don't think you can sit at the Oklahoma intersection and say that's because of all the book all the all the books all the all the homes on the village on the city's books um transportation is a collective
network leburg has had a history of being a mecca of employment of commerce and of not just residential growth in Leburg um and and I and I and to the success of Groveland I don't think you can underscore the success that the fee
park that the county worked with with Groveland has had on our economy and while you can't argue that success and its taxable value increase in the job creation and the service economy that's been created you can't argue as well that that traffic has had an impact on
our roads so it's not just residential growth it's all growth in lake that affects our roads and um and this is the last slide and and and they'll sit so what I wanted to to to write down is
is kind of a perception that city growth is hurting the counties we're that that city growth is burdening um county roads and county services um so I I of I would I would argue that and and and frankly I
would argue the inverse i would argue that the cities our tax dollars subsidize county services um so I think h how can you prove that so um
here's how here's how you do that um remember everybody in the county and I'm going to use rough numbers um everybody in the county pays a property tax to the county they have a five a little over five mil uh general fund advalorum tax
that they levy they also levy some MSTUs and they also but but for general fund purposes they levy a little over five mil of property tax everybody in Lake County pays that whether you live in an incorporated area or an unincorporated
area you pay the county property advalorum tax now if you live in an unincorporated area you don't pay a municipal property tax you may pay an MSU an MSU is a municipal tax municipal
service taxing unit frank do you get it mstu or sometimes they use Frank MS MSBU but MSTU for for this purpose so in any case so you may or may not pay an MSU so where do these services go so
first this data came from the fiscal year 25 budget of the county um and here's what I tried to break down our population is 33,344 that's pretty much the latest number um Lake County's population from the county budget is
433,331 divide the two Leburg is 7.69% of the county so I'm going to jump down to the big chart and I'm just going to tell you the numbers collectively the cities all the cities collectively pay 57% of the county's
advalorum taxes okay 57% of the avalorum taxes the county's general fund budget is $316 million the $316 million in the county is paid for basically two ways property taxes and all other taxes
other taxes is a real long list but it includes stuff like shared revenues that like that like like the city gets from the state uh it includes fines and forefeiters and everything else so of of that budget I I I think their number and
it's up in there i can't read it uh but it's roughly 316 about 26 million of the 316 comes from property taxes so that means of the $26 million the county brings in 57% of that comes from the cities can't deny that the next thing is
maybe it's arguable but you know in a fair proration if the population of the unincorporated areas is 54% so add up all the all the city populations divided by the populations all that data was given in the county's fiscical year 25
budget the the cities cooperatively or totally make up 50% of all other ad all other general fund revenue for the county if you massage those numbers together the cities make up 56% of the county's budget so now that
other chart that I provided you is all the general services that are provided by the county to county residents this is where it's a little bit of a mixed bag and perhaps some argument can come to the county's favor indicating that there's there's there's less of a
subsidy than there actually is it's probably up for debate but what I basically did is I did a straight line test three ways there's certain services that absolutely the cities do not receive uh we do not receive planning and zoning services we do there's a
there's a couple others that we absolutely don't receive there's some that we absolutely do receive um like the tax collector we all share in the tax collector um and so we took that as a straight line value if we received it
that that chart says 100% but if it's 100% it's really only 56% because unincorporated folks have to pay for that service as well um but but then there's another one that's in the county budget it's called the increment
financing so the county shares their tax increment on CRAAS which are across the county that number is special because in their budget I'm assuming that the transfer increment payments is that number so the county pays out about $22.9 million to all the cities for our
CRAAS we assume all of that so that number's in there i'll just cut to the chase at the end of the day the city subsidized the county to the tune of about 4 or 50.6 million so $50.6 6 million and 57% of the advalorum taxes
is brought in by cities so when new growth comes in to the county they're receiving a good chunk of that revenue this is not revenue that just goes to cities so with that um I'm gonna end the
presentation former commissioner Elise Chust and I left that part of the presentation out on purpose okay so Commissioner Dennis former commissioner Dennison asked why do mayor and commissioner uh uh asked why don't we see that money back from
the county you know I wanted the numbers to speak for themselves uh but that would be my argument is is so before you before the county is concerned and says that municipal growth is hurting our roads municipal growth is hurting Lake County my response to the county is
where are you spending the uninorporated money i would argue that the unincorporated money goes out to unincorporated services and and and the and the case in point I put it up there is is DST revenue and gas tax revenue is a special airmark revenue and their
formulas and in fact the county pontificated on this at their last meeting and they pontificated about if the cities aren't going to play nice with us then they're going to change the the formulas for how we get road tax money for cities so I understand that but in all but but my point of this
slide without saying it was I would argue that city growth is subsidizing county services to uninorporated residents and incorporated residents aren't getting their value of county taxes perhaps some of that money should be spent on roads mayor former mayor Dennis I wasn't going to say that but
you you you brought it up so so I said it out loud and then the other big two revenue sources that that I think you also need to look at is the DST and the gas tax revenues now there's statutory formulas of how that money is disseminated uh but that money is and
and the statutes say you do it the state way or you do it a joint agreement way in Lake County and in most counties we do it in a joint agreement way and actually the joint agreement way gives the cities more money so even in that way I would still come back to you and argue that the city of Leburg is 7.65%
of Lake County but we still only get 4.5% of their D the penny sales tax is the DST revenue and we still only get 4.7% of the D of the gas tax revenue so in every case on an advalorum level and a special revenue level I would argue
that Leberg is a giver not a taker to Lake County finances so I think those things need to be considered as we talk about the growth equation so with that I really tried to be brief but I think that's important data thank
you Al we will move to section 3B it is a resolution would someone please introduce I'll introduce uh 3B be read by title only please thank you resolution of the city commission of the
city of Leburg Florida expressing its current position regarding residential annexations and resonings and providing an effective date move for approval second we have a move for approval a second city commissioners discussion
i'm I'm I'm going to withhold my discussion until after public comment all right so we'll open the Any other commissioner's discussion at this time okay we will open the floor for public comments if you do have something to say at this time I ask that you form a line over here behind the podium and just
know that each speaker is allocated three minutes to provide their comments kindly adhere to this time limit to ensure equal opportunity for all participants to and to support the efficient conduct of the meeting thank you and when you do come to the mic uh if you would please state your name and
address for the record thank you and if this No no yeah it's not it's not a judicial hearing correct yeah and if I would ask the audience to remain quiet and respectful during all comments thank
you yes sir is this on i'm John Ban the Rotary Club of Leburg President Post Office Box 41 491213 our Honorable Judge Truman Futch founded our club during the roaring 20s which was a time of explosive growth not
unlike what we're experienced today when the club got together every week they had lively discussions about the future of Leburg including conversations about what's happening like what's happening today they didn't resist growth they didn't complain about all those Model
T's going up and down Highway 27 couldn't get our horron carriages across the roads and they didn't think those airplanes had no right to be there a good you know radio wester coming into a house instead judge and other visionaries in this community
embrace the future they saw the future on radios notice threat's opportunities they asked how can we get ahead of the growth how can we get ahead of this wave and for example they helped
champion a school that was of its time with 800 to a,000 student potential at a time when George Rost class of 1923 had only 17 students imagine that 17 students they built a school that was 50
years ahead of its time here's Judge Fush became president of the Florida State Senate he continued working thinking driving back and forth to he saw two kinds of towns he saw towns that tried to avoid the highway okay sir if I
can have the audience please remain quiet it is hard for us to hear just like you so please remain quiet thank you if everyone would remain quiet it would be easier to hear he saw he saw that move closer to the
highway welcoming the energy and the business of it judge Fitch wanted to drive Your microphone's not working all right can I have my time back judge F wanted to drive growth into
this county which is why he proposed Orange Blossom Parkway to direct Highway 27 right into Leburg and across Lake County he spearheaded the 1 cent penny tax to fund what we call today highway 441 now along a lot of you are thinking
"Oh I wish Judge Futch hadn't done that maybe all those millions of cars wouldn't have stay would have stayed on Highway 27 and bypassed us." But those enterprises on Highway 40 today the stores the restaurants the
car dealerships the big box retailers the health care providers the gas thanks to Judge Fush almost half of our lake county's$1.1 billion dollars came because he brought growth into our city not trying to get it away from
us lastly zip code48 faces critical challenges high childhood poverty poverty schools healthare as well as low GDP according to the Florida Chamber of
Commerce new prosperity and economic opportunity they're looking at a new zip code because we're currently in the bottom 10% of Florida's 1,000 zip codes the Florida Chamber this year aims to shine a bright white hot spotlight on
struggling zip codes like 748 because their studies prove that growth is the solution to our critical challenges by generating more wealth and more prosperity if that growth is well managed maybe the issue here isn't the
lack of growth or the need to look at management because visionary leaders like Judge Futch embrace the growth that we are the beneficiaries of today maybe the issue here isn't anti-growth maybe
we just need to learn how to get better management so that we get ahead of the growth instead of feeling like we're victims of the growth thank you greetings commissioners and the city my name is Candace Chapman i'm the founder
and the executive director of Virginia Samuels Cares Incorporated PO Box 492032 in Leburg Florida on a lighter note I'd like to say thank you for the commissioners especially Commissioner Barry and Mayor Riseman for being intentionally inviting i came here today
to present Virginia Samuels Cares Day it is going to be on May 17th at the city of Leburg downtown at city hall virginia Samuels Cares was my grandmother she worked for the city of Leburg for 31 years i am honored to be able to present
her day in the front steps of city hall where she worked hard for 31 years i don't even think she took a sick day i have been backed by Advent Health Wawa Foundation and Publix and I make an appeal to the city of Leburg now to see
if you will back us as well uh we are geared toward education toward stroke prevention and mental health awareness we help those who are incarcerated who are homeless we have touched 950 lives in the last two years we have donated
over 1,200 pounds of food to f um the food distribution in Mount Dora Lake Cares and we have donated over 125 pounds of clothing this is my appeal to the city of Leburg and the community please come out it will be a free event
it's from 4 to 7 on the 17th of May and if I may be considered for future um consideration for a sponsorship from the city of Leburg as well as looking into our 2023 sir plus lot donation request
thank you for your time may I leave please thank you good evening my name is Andy Price 615 South Whitney Road Leburg i'm proud to say I'm one of the newest business owners in the city of Leburg i recently opened a branch of my
company American Safe Utility Corporation right here in town i couldn't be more excited of what lies ahead for my business for the community and for the future of this great city our main office in North Carolina employs over 60 hardworking individuals we've built a strong company there and I
see that same potential here in Leburg in fact our goal is to grow our Leboard location to be as large if not larger than a North Carolina headquarters that means bringing in more jobs more training opportunities and more long-term investment into the local economy and that's exactly why I'm here
today to speak in support of continued annexation and responsible growth because growth is not just a a statistic it's what creates opportunity it's what allows companies like mine to expand to hire to give people meaningful careers
and pull resources back into the community i've heard some concerns about the pace of growth in Leburg and while I understand the need for thoughtful planning I also know that pausing growth can come at a cost without expansion we
risk losing momentum we risk missing out on companies that want to invest here and families that want to live here and work here but I want to be very clear i have full faith in our city leadership to manage the growth wisely i trust city manager
Al Miner Deputy Manager Rob Hicks Mayor Alan Reeseman Commissioner Alan Allison Barry and the entire commission i know you care deeply about the city and the people who call it home you've shown a great and strong commitment to keeping Leburg's unique charm while pushing us
forward in the right direction we're not asking for unchecked development what we're asking for is a chance to grow to create jobs to support family and to strengthen the economy and build a future here in Leburg that benefits everyone leburg welcomed me with open arms and I want to return that trust by
being a long-term partner and a success let's keep building let's keep growing but let's do it responsibly thank you good evening mandy Wetstein and I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of Lake 100 which represents over 100 businesses and
employers in Lake County we are strongly opposed to any resolution placing a moratorum on residential annexations and resonings leburg's future should belong to our working families young professionals job creators and lifelong residents who don't want to see
stagnation this resolution undermines the very process that has guided growth in Florida for decades reviewing each proposal on its own merits through public input staff review and commission judgment a blanket pause removes that case by case approach approach and with
it the legal and practical foundation for how our system is designed to work let's be clear moratoriums do not create smart growth they create uncertainty they tell investors employers developers and yes future taxpayers that Leburg is off limits that message has consequences
not just for those projects but for your long-term economic competitiveness and for your families of the future you want balance between residential and non-residential development as employers so do we but balance is the truth through using our better planning tools not slamming the brakes and walking away
from the table commissioner Canel you already have the tools to say no to bad projects what you're doing here is saying no to everything including the good ones that's not leadership that's retreat this resolution weakens confidence
removes flexibility and ties the city's hands at a time when it should be exercising judgment not deferring it we urge you to reject this policy and return to the case by case process that has served Leburg well thank you good afternoon my name is Terry Gman
27426 Pinesore Road i'm the president of the board for Legacy of Leburg which has 999 homes to say the least our community is concerned with the building of new homes that has grown exponentially over the past four years alone our community which has ingress and egress off of
highways 27 and 48 can no longer enjoy the safety of exiting entering our community without extreme delays are putting our lives in danger the speed limit is a mere suggestion for most drivers there have been several uh there have been severe accidents in front of our community off of 27 including
rollovers and a death of a pedestrian on a bike additionally I came from a small city in Florida where we had to eventually put a moratorum or suspension on building and issued permits and the buildings were based on a lottery system perhaps you heard of it i was born and
raised in Key West Florida i also worked for the Florida Keys Aquatic Authority for 35 years which supplied the water and sewer for the entire Florida Keys in Key West one thing that was extremely evident there was that there and as is here our infrastructure and resources cannot continue to support all the
proposed building we are imploring the city commission to not approve any more developments or allow for reszoning the land presently zoned for agriculture until such time as more critical issues are addressed both highway 27 and 48 need to be widened with the if we're
continuing to grow we feel that it's up to the commission to petition the state and the county to do just that and not in 10 to 20 years but sooner secondly is critical that new developments are required to build their own wastewater treatment plants our current facilities cannot keep up with the new demand which
will be placed on them lastly water is a precious resource that cannot be taken lightly there is so much on the uh to go around and our water is being supplied from Florida aquifer the upper fidian aquifer is the primary source of our water which is replenished by the rain
water filtering through ground to replenish it with climate change we are not guaranteed an abundance of rain to replenish it year after year and with that in mind we need to start limiting the amount of new homes being built which will affect that amount of water being pulled from that aquifer if we
don't and levels become too low due to drought or overusage it is always the possibility that will be limited the amount of water that we can pull from the aquifer gravely affecting current residents we ask the commission to please think responsibly and care for your current residents and not put their
safety or quality of life at risk thank you hi I'm Pamela Favre i live at 34150 Park Lane in Leburg i am not in the city limits she Pamela Favre 34150 Park Lane Leburg i live on the Old
Silver Lake golf course i'm not in the city so I don't get to vote for any of you people that are affecting our lives which after speaking to a lot of these people a lot of them don't get to vote either but when Al Miner was making his presentation all of the data he used for
growth is based solely on after the unit is built after the homes are built because then they're taxable my big concern is the huge amount of already approved PUD property PUD you
areas that have yet to be built because they're already approved that means one day someone's going to come in and build not any other developer has a concrete plant preforming homes and have a line
of flatbed trucks with homes already pre-built with cranes building 800 homes a month except for the villages every other development has to build traditional homes and so they aren't going to be as quick as the villagers but they're already approved for these
areas and so my biggest concern is you're not counting that in the growth and it's not being taken into consideration in regard to the traffic which the mayor and I have discussed and he said none of our roads are at
capacity according to the DOT and um I am also a businesswoman i am a salesperson and I travel all over Central Florida from Lake Panacei to Palatka and I can call on every type of
industry imaginable when you were talking about the water in Leburg you kind of jumped over the canal street saying you have other issues right now we have an empty plant where catral moved out we also lost the big cold
storage distribution center when we want to solicit ourselves for industries we also have to be able to provide water for specific industries and we have to make sure that we've got the resources for those to solicit the additional business thank heavens for Groveland
because they've got all of these huge warehouse and distribution centers which will potentially bring a lot of revenue but I don't see any other big industrial centers being opened up thank God for Ring Power and how many people they're going to bring but there's not a whole
lot of other areas in the city for us to solicit large employers so we have to take that into consideration when we're planning so that we have the assets to be able to get the big employers in town thank you good afternoon i'm Don McGrder i'm the
CEO of Romac Building Supply located at 700 East Main Street in Leburg i'm opposed to the development moratorum being proposed tonight for three fundamental reasons first in this time of economic uncertainty and peril why would the city
of Leburg consider putting a close for business sign up in the last few weeks an estimated 12 trillion dollars of wealth has been wiped out of the American markets the bond markets are wavering and just yesterday Ray Dalio
the leading hedge fund manager in the United States said that he expects us to be in a recession or even worse in 2006 there were meetings that people didn't believe that the markets would turn down
and they did the other reason is traffic i know the traffic is bad but to blame housing for traffic is not the real reason the the pro The problem with traffic the problem with traffic is we're 45 miles from the
world's greatest tourist destination and GP please be respectful thank you and GPS navigation every time there's a slowdown or backup on the turnpike they direct them right through Leburg people
are forgetting ways in this new technology we're getting inundated with people heading to Orlando and south the other fundamental reason is three blocks from here ROMAC Building Supply has been here 80 years we encompass we hire 650
and 615 employees what do I tell our employees about this commission proposing a moratorum and telling these people they don't have work we talk about attracting industry when you put a close for
business sign up a moratorum that's all they're going to listen to and businesses will flee Leburg the other thing what do we tell the thousands of workers in Lake County that depend on the construction industry for work do we
tell them sorry what do we tell all the hardworking families tonight that are working paycheck to paycheck in the construction industry and they're worried about the future and they're trying to make ends meet they're they don't count and then better yet what do
we talk tell the 275 students at the Leburg High Construction Academy who are expecting jobs when they come out of that academy who in turn have made that school a a school that once was felon to one of the top schools
around here i understand the traffic issues but these traffic issues were identified a decade ago by the no and state the meeting tonight should be talking about how do you get resolutions of the traffic area and the problem is this is a failure of government at the
county level state level and federal level for not addressing these road issues from a decade ago thank you so much thank you good evening mayor and commissioners my name is Sandy Moore and I'm here on behalf of the Leburg Area Chamber of
Commerce thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight regarding the proposed suspension on residential development in the city of Leburg as an organization that represents local businesses and supports economic vitality we want to respectfully express our concern about
putting a blanket pause on residential growth while we fully understand the importance of managing infrastructure traffic and city services we believe a full suspension may unintentionally slow Leburg's long-term progress and put us
at a disadvantage compared to neighboring communities that continue to grow and attract investment residential development when managed responsibly is a key part of a healthy local economy it brings news new new residents who support small businesses help build a
strong workforce and attracts employers who want to locate in a vibrant growing areas instead of a broad stop we encourage the city to evaluate proposed developments individually taking into account things like infrastructure
readiness traffic impacts and alignment with the comprehensive plan this kind of thoughtful case-byase approach allows us to plan smartly without missing out on valuable opportunities we also encourage the commission to work closely with Lake
County and the state of Florida on infrastructure and road rate and roadway improvements regional collaboration will be essential in making sure Leburg can grow sustainably while still offering high quality of life for both current
and future residents the chamber supports growth that enhances our community expands the tax base and aligns with the long-term vision of Leburg we believe this can be achieved through balanced cooperative planning not restrictive pauses that may hold us
back thank you for your leadership and considering the voice of the business community we look forward to being a part of the conversation and working together toward a strong sustainable future for our city uh Larry Crook uh 26916 Honeymoon Avenue
in Leburg Legacy u now now I'm I'm from Texas you may not fully understand what I'm saying in some cases but tell the new people buy one of the 30,000 homes you got permits for okay
the the thing is it's not a permanent situation where you're going to stop things all we're asking is for maybe a delay and you do have statute 166.041 paragraph C that gives you the latitude provided you do two public
hearings and adopt a resolution stating that we're going to delay it for nine months okay that's one thing to consider now let me just point out one thing about South Leburg you got five
communities legacy yeah arlington Ridge you've got the plantation you got Hawthorne and you got Highland Lakes well that accounts for about u 7
7,322 homes roughly 11,000 voters okay so the thing is we can make some influence in terms of what we're trying to do in this city it's a great city you guys got some wonderful services now what I'm looking at right
now if assuming that 30,000 homes is probably going to be 60,000 people okay two two and a half their professionals are probably going to have kids as well as the cars which could be up to 60,000 you can't do anything about
the roads understand that the only thing we can do is just maybe petition the state federal and and uh try to do something in the future for the roads al I appreciate what you what you presented i would recommend maybe going one step
further maybe looking at a a like a Gant chart or something that looks in the next 15 to 20 years and I've got this and I'll pass this around for you that you take that and look at all the fire utilities police roads traffic
ambulances school healthc care energy grid environmental impact single multi-ousing units economic development and revenue and try to project that out the thing is I think most people would just like to be assured and have
information about what the future holds now thank you for your time can you hear me okay so good evening Mayor Reeseman commissioners and fellow residents my name is Beth Williams i'm at 5500 Eladobe Drive Leburg i'm in that
South Leburg area but I come to you today as both a citizen of Leburg and a dedicated HR business professional i'm concerned in the overall the prosperity of our community having chosen to live and grow
in small to midsize towns and with over 30 years in locally affiliated manufacturing I have seen the unintended consequences of anti-growth initiatives and how they can damage the future of a community long term
i have through the experience of working in local manufacturing and have observed the concerns surrounding rapid growth such as traffic congestion infrastructure strain and school capacity halting development though is not the solution i re respectfully
submit Leburg should focus on strategic planning and specific investment to accommodate needed future growth responsibly the director of the DVA Morris Center in the College of Social Science and Public Policy at
Florida State University Sam Stanley states that a moratorum pause suspension whatever you want to call it on building may inadvertently harm our local economy increase housing
shortages and job losses suddenly ceasing new construction will damage future success and hinder economic development at some future point we will have to restart what is occurring now ultimately affecting our
community's well-being new business will find the path of least resistance but Leburg has the potential and should pay play a vital role in the Florida and the US manufacturing re resurgence although we may not have the
land to host large manufacturing facilities we can attract the skilled workforce these industries require by continuing to develop workforce housing enhance our community's quaint appeal we must position ourselves as the ideal
residential hub for workers employed in these nearby manufacturing centers i also call on you to support for the the call on your support for the manufacturing bills currently under consideration in Tallahassee senate Bill
600 and House Bill 561 sponsored by Senator Truno and Representative Cobb respectively these bills aim to bolster Florida's manufacturing sector creating jobs and stimulating economic growth in conclusion let's encourage growth with
thoughtful planning rather than halting it thank you hi I'm Jeff Haynes i moved here a year and a half ago to I live on Dewey Robbins i moved here because of the rural feel of the community and now I
see the villages coming across the road and encompassing me if I wanted to live in the villages I would have moved there there's no affordable housing in there if you look at the average income in Leburg they cannot afford a house in the villages so they're not building houses
for the people that live and work here they're they're building their own stuff they're going communities that are you know way more rich and they can afford to do it and they can stamp out those houses i watch them build hundreds of them just driving back and forth to my
friend's house in Panace and it's just astounding how fast they build them i don't know what to do you know and they've cleared all the ro the both sides of Dewey Robbins to make way for
these places they've ripped out all of the vegetation completely and they're putting in fire hydrants that shows me they're building houses they're not just waiting they're going to happen and they're going to happen fast and if the villages are doing it it's going to be
very fast they can knock those out they're not prefabbed they build them from the ground up but they do them fast and I don't know i just I want you to think twice about allowing them to do such
expansion because that's why I moved here because I wanted the rural field okay that's all I got to say all right that's one second there could you state your address one we missed we missed your address if you could state your address i live on 8601 Dewey Robbins
thank you sir good evening i'm Lesley Champion um the chair of the Lake County Commission and we definitely need to have a much bigger discussion about some of the information that was discussed tonight our big issues and I think you know this already transportation funding um the protection
of rural areas um protection of the character of Lake County and the quality of life of Lake County over the past 10 years 1600 um 16,000 acres have been annexed into a municipality leburg has the highest
number of acres annexed at 4568 acres of the 16,000 acres annexed approximately 1,700 were annexed in rural protection areas that doesn't include also rural areas and rural transition areas on the county future land use map so I think
that's one of the big discussions that we really would like to have with the city of Leburg um is to honor the county's future land use map and not annex the rural rural protection areas and rural transitional areas i think there's a misunderstanding as well about
some of the things that were said tonight about uh there being some sort of windfall um because city residents are subsidizing county residents the reality is that we all all count all residents of Lake County whether you live in the city you live in uh the
unincorporated area the list of services that are covered um by our taxes for the general fund the clerk of court the courts administration the guardian program legal aid medical examiner tax collector property appraiser state
attorney supervisor of elections public defender animal shelter aquatic plant management countywide emergency radio programs countywide emergency management which were required by state to manage the sheriff's services court services corrections our jail 30% of road
operations for the sheriff probation services landfill and convenience centers libraries transit parks public lands veteran services Medicaid hospital that we as a county have to pick up per state law lifestream services extension services the water lab road reservicing
um and a lot of administr administrative costs that go to serve um the constitutional officers cra revenues that come back to cities 122.6 million $2.7 million of that comes back to the city of Leburg um I think it's important
to know that Leburg does contribute 8.7% of the county's general fund that revenue brings in 16.7 million but if we divide the services uh per capita you're actually coming we're coming up short so
it it's not a surplus we're actually in the hole so I think it's these are discussions that we probably should have in greater detail because I think there really is a gross misunderstanding there is no money to fund big capital transportation projects a lot of the
rural development that's happened in Leburg has happened on two-lane roads that are 12 feet and in in each aisle the these are some of the specific things that we really need to be working on a completely new transportation funding paradigm and just ask if you
would just honor the county's rural land uses thank you Commissioner hello my name is Kevin Baker i reside right across the street at 425 South 9th Street i'm a Leburg resident of three years and I'm a small business owner in
downtown i'm a music teacher with my own shop my wife works for a restaurant in downtown that's also husband and wife owned i'm a member of the downtown Leburg Business Association the Leburg Chamber of Commerce i'm a u worship arts director for a local church and we have
our own nonprofit that does a lot of work in the community and all of these things require growth so I'm just here to state that I'm against the suspension anything that will affect growth i agree with uh a lot of the people that say that we just need to trust you to
develop wisely but I'm not against development and I would argue that the things that we worry about with growth with if we put a a cap on growth we'll put a cap on future funding which
then can create more problems than we already have now and that's just my opinion thank you hi my name is Mario Nappa i live on Stony Brook Drive in Leburg Florida uh Leburg is experiencing rapid growth an
encouraging sign of economic vitality but this growth is putting increasing pressure on the city's infrastructure particularly its roadways development has outpaced the capacity of key transportation corridors like County Road 33 48 44 470 and State Road 27
resulting in worsening traffic congestion longer commute times and rising safety concerns implementing a temporary moratorium on resoning and annexation would allow the city a much needed pause this would give planners and commission commissioners the opportunity to work with the
Metropolitan Planning Organization or the MOO to assess and upgrade critical infrastructure by temporarily slowing the pace of new development Leburg can better align growth with the necessary improvements to roads public transit transit and pedestrian access ensuring
infrastructure keeps pace without diminishing residents quality of life as Frank Stanfield noted in a recent article commissioner commissioners even those opposed to a moratorum agree that there is a need for road improvements but that is a county and state issue
while true this issue cannot be pushed aside state funding for road improvements has dropped by 127 million dollars over the next five years compared to the previous cycle to make matters worse Washington just repealed the Carbon Reduction Act pulling $50
million in funding from District 5 and reclaiming funds from 2023 for projects that were completed but not yet paid for local municipalities and counties now face a financial shortfall worsening budget constraints it's crucial for this
commission to act responsibly in the new era of infrastructure funding uncontrolled development also risks eroding the very qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qu qualities that make Leburg dei des desirable to both residents and businesses without a thoughtful measured approach new
developments may be approved without fully understanding their long-term impacts on schools emergency services water systems and other other essential infrastructure a moratorum offers the city a chance to use real data to inform decisions and ensure future growth is
both responsible and in sustained by prioritizing infrastructure first Leburg can support smart wellplanned development that strengthens the community instead of overwhelming it i hope your decisions tonight reflect a commitment to the quality of life and
safety of current residents who voted you into office and not the financial interest of developers shortly we'll see with whom you stand thank you good evening my name is Bill Pulk i'm residing at 600 Cascade Avenue in Leburg
Florida i've been here for 71 years that's how old I am despite the fact that I was in the military for several years uh I've been here all my life uh when I grew up as a kid there was about 4,000 people in the
city of Leburg uh I ran for city commissioner i felt like I'd do some help sometime when I did 1993 I was on the board for 93 to 96 uh and for the commissioners here
today the first year I didn't say anything i listened because I listen to the people that vote for you i I listen to them and let them tell me what they want not what the developers the real estate people and all these
other people want to do it's what the citizens of Leburg want the quality of life the good good times here we've got a beautiful place here speakers don't work too well but uh other than that you know it's a beautiful place it's a beautiful city i love I love the city of
Leburg like I said I've been here my whole life but you know I don't think uh Al getting up here saying showing us a million charts was what 85% of these people even came here for tonight you know they didn't want to they didn't want to look at charts they didn't even understand what the heck they were
looking at and so um Leberg has grown and one thing that I I learned in uh my 9396 episode as a commissioner Rex Taylor was our city manager and we had a
moratorum on building at that time i don't know what year but it was one of those years we had a moratorum on building that year so we stopped building for a while but we're not a the commissioner Connell is not asking for anyone to stop building
because they can still build under the county regulations it's not asking that they're just asking them to take a break and and you know here's Al arguing about the county getting this and getting that and then the no and this and that why aren't these people getting together and and
wondering why the roads are so screwed up you know because like Al said 27 and Dixie Avenue and South Street there hadn't been anything done since I was a kid there hardly they did fourlane it in 1973 but uh you know there hasn't been
anything done since 1973 that I can tell you about but as commissioners y'all need to listen to the public and try to understand that our needs these people didn't move here to uh have traffic jams at 5:00 in the dag gum morning and and
I'm from 5:00 till about noon you're going to have a traffic jam on that corner and nobody's done anything about it i I'm my office is one and a half miles from the United States Post Office it takes me 30 minutes to get there
and it takes me it takes me 30 minutes to get back so I'm asking y'all as commissioners to listen to the public they are the ones that have to live here and want to live here moved here to have a better life thank you Mr paul give give them the
chance thank you Mr p and and u the school I have friends that are at your time are teachers in school mr paul they can't yes your time is up sir one second no they have uh uh they have they can't get the school buses to the school on
time so what does that do to the school system it it confuses everything the teachers cannot teach the kids that are not there that are still on the school bus trying to get to school please listen to the public thank you thank you uh good evening i'd like to thank the
commissioners for their time and the open discussion tonight my name is Adam Edgington um at 11520 Osprey Point i'm speaking on behalf of the Lake and Sumpter Home Builders Association uh we have quite a few uh board members here
tonight as well we are uh as an association against the moratorium or suspension of annexation into the city uh many people around seem surprised that uh people that there's growth here i'm not i'm a Lake County resident for
46 years and I'm not surprised at all it's a beautiful area um and that is what makes us a viable destination to move to my concern and our association's concern is that a moratorum or a suspension is just stopping future
planning um it's it's the um it's the same logic as sticking your hand head in the sand and hoping that the problem goes away i now more than ever I would tell you that city planners along with the county should coordinate planning on new construction in communities the
moratorum uh does not move us forward as far as planning goes it actually uh exasperates the problem and I would ask that the commission um not vote for a moratorum i believe that the commission sees that
planning is uh critical to virtually every entity i can't think of a single business or entity who says that their plan will be just to wing it not a successful one so that being said I would ask that the city um uh not
institute the moratorium on annexation thank you good evening commissioners my name is Tony Uriel i'm with Hanover Capital and Hanover Land Development Company i've been developing central in Central Florida for the last 35 years and last
10 years with Handover i'm here tonight to thank you for your time and to listen to some of the concerns we have about a potential moratorum and with that I'd like to turn it over to uh the rest of our team uh Matt Oris thank you very
much evening uh also would like to thank you guys for your time my name is Matt Oris i'm one of the owners of Hanover Capital Partners and also Trinity Family Builders obviously this is an important issue for all of us uh and I'm also going to turn yield my time to Ben Snider
good evening commissioners and thank you Ben Snider 10224 Savannah Ridge Lane Winter Garden 34787 uh good evening commissioners and thank you for the opportunity to speak with respect to growth in Leburg and the
implications regarding this moratorum in order to respect the commission's time and not repeat ourselves I'm going to speak on behalf of the whole Hanover Land and Trinity family builder teams first and foremost we have been operating in Leburg and Lake County for
over 20 years as a locally family-owned business we have raised communities from distressed positions like Windsong and White Marsh and have done commercial activities to enhance the attractiveness of the area overall we have been and desire to continue to be a partner in
the overall community these partnerships require consistency transparency and thoughtful discussions around growth which we are fully supportive of conversations like the one we're having tonight many of the residents have concerns surrounding additional services
transportation school improvements and overall activities which are all actually solved by responsible growth in the community services such as high-end restaurants grocery stores salons and
other small businesses are justified almost exclusively by population growth and density the first component of site that site analysts look for for future commercial opportunities is the number of surrounding rooftops and the average
income of those rooftops all of the marketing money in the world will not convince businesses to invest in an area that does not have the rooftops and income to support the prospective businesses put simply stagnant rooftops also forces stagnant community
investment with respect to infrastructure each new home in Leburg yields over $16,000 towards improvements in new roads schools libraries emergency services and recreation school impact fees alone
exceed $10,000 which means for each 100 unit subdivision it creates a an additional $1 million of additional revenue for the school board which is why most of the high growth areas you will see generally see the highest rated
and most advanced schools road and transportation networks receive $3,000 per per new home road and school impact fees are invested by the county in areas that justify those investments through uh current and
planned growth similarly the recreation fees are used to fund facilities like the uh recently announced Susan Street Sports Complex that was uh is coming soon according to a study by the National Association of Homebuilders a
100 unit subdivision creates 419 statewide jobs and over $30 million in economic impact new residents support and sustain the local businesses your time is up sorry even with the we don't we don't yield time to anyone it's okay
we appreciate your time thank you hello Alan Chen 8010 Treasure Island Road um most of the the people who you hear are against this um moratorum um I don't think they realize it's kind of like fake news i don't
think they realize that 30,000 homes times or divided by 33 per month means it goes well beyond the moratorum period so it really doesn't affect anyone uh in terms of what they're they're stating here anyways I want to briefly mention a
few points regarding the rampant rampant over annexation and development that Leburg has been doing the past decade and more recently the last few years first and foremost I want to thank Commissioner Canel for this proposal and being the voice of reason second I live
off CR44 by Treasure Island as other has said the traffic is horrendous especially during morning and evening rush hour takes a long time sometimes 5 to 10 minutes just to exit onto CR44 as a result third regarding traffic every
traffic study we have seen indicates no issues with CR44 and as stated anywhere in the county uh similar to sound studies whose requirements are very poorly specified significant amount of time averaging takes place this makes
traffic issues seem much less of a problem than they actually are fourth regarding traffic studies in particular along 44 and CR473 all the way to CR473 annexations high density 17th acre per home developments are popping up all
over the place and that's actually actually on this chart here along this north section here um shouldn't traffic studies plan and build in as mentioned before uh the expected growth from the thousands of
additional vehicles per day to due to this growth fifth regarding CR44 the MO Metropolitan Planning Or which was mentioned by Mr miner lists this road as number 19 on the priority list not to be improved but just to be studied the
residents along CR44 will pay the price for many years to come six if CR44 were to expand you are allowing these developments for example plans for Treasure Trove to build close to the current roadway it's in this book
uh all of these would have to be moved uh including those lines laid for water sewer utilities which are also against the side of the road uh including the power poles for Duke and Leburg Electric would have to be moved if CR44 is widened seventh it looks like the intent
is to eventually line the entire CR44 to CR473 with the city of Leburg the county may then force that section of CR44 to be city road in which case you may be responsible cost of expansion and maintenance eighth there is something called smart city planning which looks
at infrastructure of the era before considering expansion and development this is sorely lacking here as this is much a bill first worry second approach you should hire a city planner who is better qualified has the background for growth for the future thank you i have a
ninth and a 10th too thank you mine is going to be about the environment but I'll take over the rest of nine regarding Oh my name is Louise Chan i live at 8010 Treasure Island Road
i love Leburg by the way I only want the best of it i want to give a shout out to um Commissioner Canel i think that he's been poorly maligned today i don't think that his
proposal was fairly represented okay i think that Mr miner did a disservice to him by not telling everyone the Mormon is only for residential to look at residential it's nothing about stopping
businesses this gives the county a chance to look at bringing in better businesses such as semiconductors you know foundaries that's what we need highpaying jobs for our community to build around them this has nothing to do with stopping
businesses only halting and we already have as you see on Alen's map there are already many unused already approved annex properties for the builders to build on there is nothing stopping the
builders this been misrepresented all night i really think that Miss Canel Commissioner Canel sorry should have had a chance to present his own presentation tonight yes ninth regarding a smart city approach
the city of Leburg should develop and hash out a joint plan agreement or J with the county per Commissioner Sean Parks he has been trying to get a JPA going with the city for the past three years it is time to do it so
things can be done as a cooperation enough fingerpointings like second graders tense we realize that developers represent big money in what you charge for basic utilities and that's a lot of what this is about just remember midterms for summer you are less than
two years away and people have long memories so did I forget anything or did Alan forget anything a shout out to Commissioner Canoff for this proposal and I really would like to suggest that this be tabled until the
next meeting so that we can have a thorough discussion on what this mormontor really means and what can be built and I know that Al and I be willing to help with the business aspect we're bringing in high-tech businesses that we really need and lastly I wanted
to talk about the snail kite which is a resident of Emeralda Marsh it is a federal designated endangered bird and we are so honored to have them growing here um we are Leburg has got Emerald Marsh it's so beautiful up there and
we're not really making the full usage of what we should be doing it could be a tourism thing that was badly lacking business here too anyway thank you very much we appreciate you all for your work hi good evening commissioners and Mayor Reeseman thank you so much for listening
to us this evening it's been a long night already um I just wanted to say Louise said a lot of the things that I wanted to say which this is not a stopping on building oh my my name Lisa Hayden 35121 Dennis Road Leburg um this
is what is um Commissioner Canel's um proposing is not to stop building we're not going to stop issuing building permits we're not going to stop issuing certificates of occupancy this is just a moratorum on more
annexations for residential developments or um going from reszoning from non-residentidential to residential as Louise so eloquently put it is a way for us to focus on commerce on industry and
my pet peeve the schools i really think we have great schools that have I see these awards that are given out at almost every meeting to Leburg schools it's tremendous and you know bless these students for working so hard but we can we know that there are thousands of more
students on their way into these schools and if we can get them prepared we maybe have 21 months with this pause on annexations thank you so much for your time have a great night hi Ray Hayden 35121 Dennis Road uh Leburg everybody else pretty much took
out what I had to say but it's kind of peacemail and everything else but what Lisa just said it's a moratorum on annexation it's not stopping anything there's a whole bunch of stuff that's approved this you guys know this it's more for everybody else anybody who might not understand that especially
builders it's not stopping anything if you already have properties that you own or manage or approve to start building in the properties that doesn't stop you got 60 years i guarantee I'll be long dead and gone before these things are even done there's no need to annex
anything as far as these pocket housing things go there is a development on 473 or 37 is it 473 they looks like a trailer park nothing against the trailer park the manufactured homes are fine but this is individual houses they're so
close together you can reach your hand out and shake your neighbor's hand i hope you're on good terms because they're packed in i could show you a picture of them i don't have it but Allan showed me a space shot of it i was like that is insane we watched it be built and they're like on top of each
other it's insane there's 50 foot uh uh lots they look like they're less i'm ass sure they're 50 foot lots but they're they're look like they're less they're on top of each other it's ridiculous and not not just another half a block over there's houses with at least some
property around their house it's just it's insane coming here tonight today on 4:41 it was like a death trap to try to make the left turn to come down to this and we know where we're going we know where we're what we're doing lisa drives
down that exact same route every single morning is stuck in the traffic i've been told and I understand that the traffic is from somewhere else it's going from somewhere else through Leburg and then it's somewhere else okay great so a stranger is going to kill me on the road that's ridiculous i just got a nice
grand central tour of the hospital area trying to get back to over to here tonight okay i knew that there was a helellipad yeah like that there's a helellipad at the airport i know that there's a a road around the I had to use that to end up being able to make my turn to get on to the right to come over
here it took me an extra 10 15 minutes just to get here and we had they started out early the traffic here may not be being built here but they are the people coming through here and there's more of that from the villages there's more of
that on on every direction it's when I moved up here when I saw that electric grid from the villages being put in I was like told my wife I said "They're coming at us we just brought a 20 acre lot and they're coming at us the Villages is coming at us tampa's coming
up this way orlando's coming up this way." And the people over on the Space Coast are like "We're sick and tired of this." And we're leaving and they're coming this way don't get us stuck with this that the Broward County Dade County and Penllis County check them out okay
thank you very much the moratorium's good it's not a cancellation good evening my name is Stephanie Stokes Wrinkle i am a sixth generation Floridaian a Lake County native a Leburg i was born and raised in Leburg graduated from Leburg High School so I
am here i currently reside in Lady Lake 39601 French Road Lady Lake you want um Mr miner had just real quick I'm getting sidetracked because I want to bring this up one of his little charts he showed showed the highest growth the lowest growth over the past I don't know
handful of years and Lady Lake was mentioned so I took note of that highest growth in 2015 for Lady Lake that's when villages were going heavy strong everything's getting built out lowest growth in 2024 for Lady Lake there's
nothing left to build on lady Lakes's gone there is a little tiny sliver of rural land in Lady Lake that I fight hard to try to save that's it everything else is gone lady Lake is gone i desperately don't want to see this
happen to Leburg i grew up South Leburg all that y'all being in can't tell you how many hours I've spent on my horse riding those beautiful rolling hills and those cow pastures the traffic now I have an organic farm in Lady Lake i'm a
dirt farmer and my aunt drives from Webster to come work for me you know how long it takes her to get from Webster to my farm in Lady Lake an hour and 15 minutes on good days that's insane my people that's
insane so I am here i don't hear anybody mentioning the environment haven't heard one person speak up about the environment here i've watched the villages sorry i've watched the villages fill in springs sink holes with springs i've
watched them rape and pillage central Florida to the point that I'm almost ready to leave but I love my state so I told myself Stephanie Lynn you can no longer complain if you are not willing to stand up and fight so that's what I do now i stand up and fight for my state
somebody has to somebody has to 53 seconds let me throw this out here to you florida panther our state mammal is in peril in this state i didn't even realize it until I started doing research fighting another development on
a piece of land and our RPA Emmeralda RPA y'all like to annex into the RPA down here we're fighting to save our rural protection area up there in Lady Lake that is the last of our rural land we have it's what the county put aside in the rural protection area the
RPA but the panther we're cutting off for the panther to survive in this state we're cutting off currently cutting off every corridor path we're saving some farmers and ranchers are given little slivers of land but we're allowing these developers to come in is anyone given a forethought to the extinction of this
precious animal thank you very much for your time Jay Carell i support you Jay Carnell i support you Jay Carnell hello Cindy Newton i live in unincorporated Lake County on Lake Sautra thank you for the opportunity to
speak first I do commend the commission for launching an incentive and rebate program to reduce unwater unnecessary water usage we need these pro proactive steps towards sustainability i also apply your goal
for achieving a monthly residential use target of 100 gallons per capita it's a vital benchmark that aligns with both environmental responsibility and long-term water security how close are you to reaching that goal according to
the St john's River Water Management District Central Springs East Coast Regional Water Supply Plan our region will see a 30% population increase by 2040 even with conservation water use is
still expected to increase by at least 21% indicating that more aggressive action is needed the water resource assessment determined that determined that traditional water sources like the upper flidian aquifer will not be able
to meet our demand without causing harm to our water resources and ecosystems that depend on them if we continue on our current path we risk failing to even meet our minimum flow levels known as
our MFLs these are critical thresholds to sustain our springs rivers and aquifers projects are in the works for recharge but these could take decades to implement with this protected projected
growth we are looking not only at a huge increase in pumping from the aquifer but also near future water use restrictions that will only increase for current and future residents overpumping already
reduces the flows and increases pollution in our rivers and springs if left unchecked the aquifer could eventually be depleted to the point where we're forced to relay rely greatly on the lower flidian aquifer bringing
significant higher infrastructure and treatment costs making your expansion into rural areas even more expensive the MFLs are not just technical benchmarks they're the line between sustainable water use and
irreversible ecological damage let's continue to pursue policies that encourage conservation discourage all the excessive growth and pumping and ensure our water systems maintain healthy resilient for
generations to come thank you for your time wow you guys got a job uh I feel sorry for you having to be picked on like you do but um my name is Jack Williams i'm from 4142 Cory Allen Road and uh my
family has been in this city of Leburg for over 100 years i've been 71 years bill Pulk and I uh school together in class of 72 and uh I've had three businesses that I did communications but uh let's talk about some of the things
I've got i'm going to be here before your board on the 24th with another issue but um here's what we need to look at the integrity of Leburg from a standpoint long time ago see uh Leburg
High School called me up and says "Jack you got you you have a business that can bring our youth along how can you teach him to be a communications technician and uh so I said "Well let me go over there and look at it." We had a DE program back at Leburg High School
that motivated a lot of people to be successful leaders in this community but when I ride around here these days I would say for the youth coming out of Leburg High School you better be looking for the best hamburger flippers there are that you can do there is no job here
start in in 72 I guess where are you going to school university of Florida where you going to go different ones the jobs but you know what was sad nobody wanted to stay here in Leburg now I didn't mention that I was in citrus you
guys this town and area was formulated way before you guys came to town it was cattle king it was citrus king and there are some bad things that happened in those days that caused Leburg to be as small as this we were 4,000 people I
haven't grown much considering the the other areas around but let me jump to something that's bothering me 27 this is what I get up to quite a few mornings of the week you can't It takes 20 minutes to get into
Leburg and I'm only a mile and a half south of Leburg i'm Corley Island Road thanks to the interstate let's look at where it is a lot of people complaining about the roads around here but we needed a a system that went around starting with around stock
subdivision out on the other end of town let's bypass a lot of this area and I got 30 seconds i'm going to try to make it quick but um stock subdivision just bringing it up right down 27 uh coming into town what
is a statement that you see it's run down city of Leburg please help some of the people around here to bring our community up start in stock subdivision and put some money and develop in there and help people come to this town and uh
I'm going to yield to that but anyway I appreciate all of you mr connell you did a great job appreciate it hi my name is Vance Yokum i write a blog called fiscal rangers.com i've been going to city meetings in this county and the county and the school district
for 18 years now and I haven't been here for about three years but uh now it seems I have to come back here last time I was here is when you had a joint meeting with Leslie Campion and people from the county talking about this same issue of bad traffic and at this meeting
one of the people at the big table up there uh said "Well we don't care about the traffic because that's a state and a county issue." And that is exactly I I probably if I go back I can find it in a video
and who said it um but the the thing is that I moved here from Southern California 20 years ago um and to get away from traffic and so I've seen what really bad
traffic is but back in California they had master planning where they had grids and they they allocated the land beforehand for three lanes each way on the major collector roads here we got you know one lane each way or two lanes
each way and you've got a problem with lakes in the way you've got agriculture you got parks that make it impossible to have straight roads and a grid which makes it very efficient so I think you need to accept that uh one of the things I've observed at a number of these
planning and zoning issues is that the developer is always the one that finds and pays for the expert that does the traffic study okay [Music] and I I didn't say that but I I was a
corporate internal auditor and anti-corruption manager and certified fraud examiner for many years and I'm used to dealing with data and I've looked through a number of these traffic studies and I can tell you that these firms are shopping for the best opinion
they can get which I think other people have said here magically it comes out and says there's no problem with this intersection okay and I think that you you and the rest of the cities and the county need to get away from that process you need to
um change the rules so that you hire an objective traffic analyst okay because I've even talked to the people NPO that set the rules and the rules come from a higher group a national group and I really question as
an auditor would the the validation of that data i don't think I think a lot of it is cooked personally um and so the the other thing is I don't know whether you've ever had a study done by urban3.com it's a planning and regional
company that does studies of the cost of expanding your neighborhoods thank you sir and that every home loses money and you should get one of those studies thank you thank you gene Everson 27409 Pine Straw Road in
Leburg we're not talking about a moratorum because that's you know that's the Mword everyone wants to stay away from so what we're really talking about is a stay a stay for uh roughly 18 months on any new
annexations now you may ask why to do a stay well first before I get to that um what's going to happen during those 18 18 months you you'll have roughly 600 houses that's going to be built using
the the current um monthly average of new permits so that would bring us down to 25,000 houses waiting to be built by the beginning of 20 of 2027 so you may ask why to do a stay in
the first place because once the annex the annexation of the uh of the property is done that property is gone and you'll you'll never get that back again
or what you could do if uh is consider changing the seal the city seal to add a image of Pac-Man and superimpose it over the city seal because that's just what you're doing you're just eating up more
and more of of the land and I yield back wayne Ray 950 Boilston Street right here in Palmar Park um I think what my concern is and a lot of my neighbors
is the lack of being able to take care of our communities and what we have i'm going to give you all a good example i have a neighbor that lives two houses north of me whose yard floods every time we get
rain never happened and I've lived there for 25 years it never used to happen till the street got repaved which is only once in 25 years you all put a water box in to help for drainage but never hooked it up
so the last hurricane he sat out there for five days pumping water from the box that's not connected down the street to the box that is the reason why the box isn't connected is we don't have any money in
our budget because of the trees in your easement the other thing that's crazy if you drive around the city to some of the old older neighborhoods the trees that are hanging over the streets that the garbage trucks bounce off of is terrible and we don't
have a bucket truck and a wood chipper and a tree crew to go out and maintain what we have within our city limits it's crazy i sold to utility companies for 30 years of my career all over North America duke
Power Florida Power and Light Los Angeles Water and Power and a bunch of little small municipalities one of my best customers was City of More Haven Florida they have a tree truck and a
wood chipper so I ask you all just to go drive around some of the older neighborhoods and look at the branches hanging over that the garbage trucks are bouncing off of that we can't maintain also I don't know if he's still parked over at the park but we have a
white van that hooks up to City Electric runs his AC unit and whatever else he has in this custom van all day long where I'm from that's stealing power from our own city i ask you to go to the
pavilion right over here at the bridge look at all the garbage in the grills that are there for people to use to grill hamburgers and hot dogs we need to start thinking about those kind of things within our city and
uh I'll just leave it at that gary Kuster 8909 East Treasure Island Avenue i've spoken to most of you you've all seen me at your meetings i've always spoke about the same thing the traffic the traffic the congestion and every one
of you that I've spoken to personally has said "It's not our problem it's counties county problem." I've spoke to the county county says you won't deal with them you don't meet with them you don't do anything to help that situation it's called
cooperation you got to cooperate with people that's all it takes leslie was up here and and she said the same thing come meeting let's have let's talk but you don't do it why is that why won't anybody meet with them
why don't you do what you're supposed to do these people out here are your voters i'm not i can't vote for you but they can you're You're burning it up man i mean you can make numbers say anything
you want i live in reality you can't get from one place to another in this town anymore it's ridiculous and it's traffic and you don't do anything to fix it you fix what's going to the villages yeah you made that better you improved all
that but you ain't improved Highway 44 you ain't You You improved 441 trying to move them through you know the one guy said that it's just traffic going through no it's not you I know two people that moved down here from
Illinois that said "I got to get out of here." And they went back they were here for one year and said "Man this is crazy i can't I can't deal with this." And it's all because you won't meet with the county you won't plan things out and
this is not a moratorum on building it's not a moratorum on building they're not saying you can't build you got more property already annexed than you could ever build on in the next 20 years why why annex more plan you can
plan things you can plan out roads you can plan out a lot of things but do something better than what you're doing hello my name is David Chamblas i live at 33144 Irongate
Drive Leburg 34788 so I don't vote for y'all either i'm in unincorporated however my backyard is city i have a Taris phone exchange a Leburg
address and uh my daughter went to Leburg High School i went to Taris because at the time I lived half a mile in the opposite direction but I've lived in Leburg all of my life and uh the problem that we're having is not about
the annexing It's about what Commissioner Campion was talking about the reszoning my backyard is a wetland it's a marsh and there's a developer right now that wants to put a subdivision behind our subdivision but
there's no access to it so they want the city of Leburg to reszone the wetland into PUD so they can put a road through the zoning board approved already
done you see who I work for so I don't get to make these meetings i didn't get to be at the the zoning meeting so I didn't get to speak but from what I understand it's already been approved to be reszoned and so now I'm going to have a
road going through my backyard literally I have a retaining wall which is my backyard and then my view was the marsh i live right behind the Lake Square Mall we've been there 16 years we built but we didn't build it we bought that house
as like a forever home to retire there because of the view it's peaceful it's quiet with the exception of the traffic on Radio which is going to get worse because of all the development in the area the thing with it is we don't
really have a say i can't fight the developer i don't have millions of dollars in my back pocket the developers are going to do what they're going to do so what I'm asking is consider the reasonzoning part if it's a wet land let
it be a wet land it was a wet land to begin with and when it starts raining again it's going to be a wet land again i feel bad for the developers actually I don't care how big a road they put through when we get our rains back and if we get a hurricane their road will be
underwater and so with that I thank you for listening and I'm not going to say anything about traffic because again you see who I work for i'm in it every day so thank you hello uh my name is John Preston i live
at 30329 Red Tree Drive over in the Sunnyside area i also can't vote for you guys because I'm in unincorporated uh county area um and I guess I might be the last one speaking i don't know but I I've only been here two years um and I came up from Broward County which is
crowded as heck one of the things first thing I want to say is we got to think of a community right the biggest thing I keep hearing over and over again is the word subdivision subdivision isn't a neighborhood right we want to just grab land build these little things they're not connected they're all separated
they're all highly dense you can't see these houses that are close together somebody already mentioned there isn't going to be like trees or anything growing up in those things like in an older neighborhood you know even plantation where I came from they had larger lots the city would put in trees
along the swale for people you had to have a certain number of trees and stuff in your lot but the trick is building a community the problem they have down there with all the canals and everything is every one of those little subdivisions are all separate they're not neighborhoods we need to think about
Leburg and the surrounding areas around Leburg how are we going to connect all this stuff together you know we do need the tech jobs we got lots and lots of regular shops and this kind of stuff but you got to have ways for people to interact with each other you know live together and not be separated out and
not just have a developer come in mow down a bunch of trees throw in this subdivision that's not connected to anything and then have to think about later us as taxpayers are going to come back and say "Oh that widen the road we're going to put in crappy sidewalks
we're not going to think about having multi-use paths or any people to get around other than cars and more cars and more cars it's just going to get more and more dense if you just let it fill up the problem you're going to have is you're going to have to go back and figure how to get rid of stuff to make it more
livable and it's my first time speaking to you guys so I'll stop there thanks any other public comments before we close public comments seeing none I'll close public comments and I'll take it back to the
commissioners commissioner yes sir we we've heard a lot of things tonight and there is a lot of rumors that are going around concerning this resolution that are just flat not true some of them have been dispelled tonight
but I I want to go back over them again this resolution does not stop growth in the city uh the city of Leburg would still issue permits for new homes um it doesn't um it doesn't stop any
annexations into the city of if that property is being proposed to be developed for commercial purposes um I do promote commercial development we need economic development we need more jobs i don't necessarily know right now
we need more houses um um so that resolution does not stop the annexation of commercial and it would not stop the building of homes um I the people that got up here tonight and wanted to express concern about this is going to
put people out of business it's going to put people on the employment line well We we have based on the numbers spoke to tonight as of 2024 there's over 25,000
25,638 to be exact as of 24 lots that have been approved on that could be developed and be built on that number I'll assure you tonight is higher than the 25,000 number that was almost a year ago probably getting closer to 30
so those people that get up here tonight and want to want to say these things they're trying to gaslight everybody and scare everybody it's just absolutely not true there's plenty of lots to be built on in the city over 25,000 it's not putting anybody out of
business and like I said it still allows for commercial development which I do um agree with presently to give you an example of the 25,000 plus lots that's already been approved in the city that have not been
built on Leburg currently only has 16,281 existing homes in it if that kind of sheds a little light on how much 25,000 plus lots are the existing Leburg only has 16,000 homes in
it uh I think that's I think that's quite a bit of lots to have on the books um again how much how much more do we need and keep in mind now this this resolution is a temporary stay this isn't a permanent thing it doesn't stop
construction of what's already been approved it's just saying hey we're going to take a break we're going to take a step back let us regroup and let us look at what we have on the books and we're going to get to what that would look like in just a
minute our city utilities our water and wastewater system um based on our presentation tonight and we'll use those numbers our wastewater plant can only
accommodate 7,200 more homes before we would have to look at spending tens of millions of dollars in expansions of a wastewater plant so 7,200 more lots but we we've already
approved over 25,000 lots and we only have a wastewater system to accommodate 7,200 of them our water based on our conceptive use permit that's permitted through St john's would only allow 8,000 more homes before we would have to go
back to the state and ask them to allow us to pump more water so our our city utilities presently water and wastewater could only accommodate about 25% of the 25 to 30,000 lots that have already are approved on the books
without major expansions to wastewater systems and getting a cons a con consumptive use permit increased uh so I don't know that we need to continue to annex more property presently when our utilities can only handle 25% of what's
already been approved in this city without millions tens of millions of dollars in expansions of of services the latest school concurrency report I've seen is our high schools at 90%
capacity i think that needs to be taken consideration as we look at bringing more property into the city um where are these kids going to school at the road system well the roads are
simply not adequate to handle even what we have now much less the 25,000 plus lots have already been approved can if we continue to annex more um so we we need to take that in consideration also and put a temporary
pause on some annexation until some of these issues can be addressed with the with the 25,000 plus lots that are approved and keep in mind that 25,000 is a low number because that was over that was a year ago but just we'll use that number the 25,000 if you
use the latest census report at 2.8 8 per household that 25,638 if you really want to get down to it the 2.8 equates to over 71,000 new residents which would equate to about 142,000 more vehicles on our
road uh that's impossible it just cannot happen perspective the 71,786 new residents that the the approved lots would would accommodate leburg's present population
as of 2024 is around 33,000 so you're talking about over double the population of just the lots of people that's been approved that haven't been built yet the numbers used tonight in the
presentation were 396 new units per year now keep in mind that number that number can majorly fluctuate i I think 396 right now is probably a low number because I think the housing market is in a downturn and interest rates are still
high we get a booming market back and the interest rates drop that number could jump from 396 to 1,200 in any given year in my opinion so based on the slide presentation tonight I think you need to take that in consideration th those numbers that some that were
proposed on the slides presentation were on the low end very conservative not taken in consideration that we could have a housing spike and that's a real possibility but just using the 396 number and using the 25,000 and change
of lots we've already got approved that gives us enough growth for building houses for the next 65 years i don't know we need have a need to continue to annex more property and when you're sitting on
65,000 lots of surplus to build on uh I just don't see it so I again I don't see why we need to keep annexing property into this city when we're sitting on on that so in closing I want to I want to
just recap on a few things this resolution does not stop permitting for new homes it's not put nobody out of business it's not going to hurt anybody's business we have 25,000 lots
you only have 16,000 homes in the city there's plenty of land to build on this is a temporary stay and what this temporary stay would allow us to do and it's a 21 months temporary stay which will be imposed what it would allow us to do is is take a step back and let's
evaluate what's on the books let's evaluate our utility systems let's evaluate our road systems let's evaluate our school systems and let's get with the county and what we can do with the roads let's get with the school system and see what we can do with the school
system let's evaluate our own utility system i I think you know I've heard this for years up here i I I'm tired of hearing blaming the county for our road system well yes our road system the majority of them does belong to the
county but that's an easy way out for this city we're contributing to the problem by continuing to annex and reszone these properties by putting this traffic on these roads we can't continue just to blame the county for our road
system we have to take and you know I mean we we we have to take responsibility for our own action and by annexing all this stuff we are creating the problem on these roads too it's not
just a county issue so I will say tonight in closing a yes vote tonight is a vote for the residents a no vote tonight is a vote for big business that's all I
have any other commissioner comments i'll start I'll start the phone here um let's see um first of all I would Sorry I feel like I'm yelling this thing can you hear me um first of all um we would be here till midnight if I had
to rebut every all the inaccurate statements I heard uh tonight but uh I want to keep my comments positive um people are moving to our state whether I like it whether you like it it's a great state um for all the right reasons you know um people are moving to
Leburg um I'm I'm happy people want to move to Leburg um the frustration is roads i'm not going to touch a lot of other subjects the roads are the issue i I drive these roads uh I have my own frustrations um I think the best thing that that can come out of this meeting
is you know we do need to meet with the county and state i'm not going to sit here and blame this city entirely that's not an accurate statement um but we need to talk about things that people don't want to talk about um developers number one developers may need to pay more u
nobody wants to raise impact fees we probably need to talk about raising road or traffic impact fees i forget the exact name um and that dirty word we may need to raise taxes um when people talk to me on the street and they finally aggravate me I say "I can build your roads you want to pay more taxes?" And
they you know they get they're annoyed they don't want to pay more taxes but we're gonna have to sit down with the county uh we're going to have to talk to the state um I'm going to may have Commissioner Bur help me out on this one but but the MO um is a five-year plan
for Central Florida we have no roads on that project right now which is crazy and Commissioner Bur can probably help me out on this one it tells me there are bigger needs in Central Florida uh because I believe it's based on data um so you know that's concerning but once
again that's a funding issue so people are pouring into state and we're going to have to deal with it you know at multiple levels um as far as this let's just call it a moratorium which you know I think we're going to have some legal liability there but that's another subject um the commercial development
follows residential So our city will be tainted by a moratorum uh it will bring commercial development to a halt maybe not a halt but it'll definitely slow it down and I don't think people want that but that's that's what happens with moratoriums
um as far as you you Well I'm not going to go about that um I'll stop right there um yeah yeah thank you we're going to be respectful thank you good evening hope you can hear me i have
some comments please and I've listened to everyone and have made notes as well so the question I pose is what comes first the horse or the cart do we move forward with development and hope that infrastructure catches up or do we
prioritize infrastructure before allowing more growth a better question might be who even has the horse right now we all recognize the critical need for infrastructure but should we ignore that the need and continue development
anyway this is the the dilemma that we're that's frustrating our residents and stretching stressing our city leadership then it is not an ideal situation for the city but I do believe we're doing better and continuing our due
diligence the state of Florida has already indicated that we are not ready to address the roads in these areas this further complicates our ability to move forward effectively i'm looking back in earlier leadership with the commission it I've learned that towards the residential
development we was chosen to do rooftops not industry now we're seeing the long-term impact of that choice we've lost our we've lost one of our key industries which was discussed earlier which will probably affect our utilities
revenues and while halting more construction might seem to be a quick fix but doing so would economically set us back even further it would take much longer to recover my concerns are in this year's
legislation there was 1,900 bills filed and 500 will impact our cities most of them were issues that haven't even been addressed yet the Live Love Act that resoning will be taking place and doing whatever whoever wants to do with
developers wherever the no longer having a CRA will be greatly affected for the city we have three CRAAS that we highly rely on far as to doing our development and helping to rid the ble in our city if we wait a year or 12 months or
however this will set us back even further for um the district I represent because they won't have a CRA later on in 2027 we might not ever have this opportunity again so there's a lot of
things to consider and believe me I know how um difficult it is because I've been listening to each person and really trying to um one empathize but really try to understand do you really know what's coming down later on everyone
wants to make sure you pay property taxes there might not be any property taxes if you've been listening and watching the legislative what's coming up it'll be a whole deal a whole different ordeal so there's lots of things to um consider i'd also like to
um put in another critical component is that our ISB Oh excuse me my time is up do I allow it that another critical point to that we must recognize is our ISBA we have definitely I know for a fact from me coming on board we are
definitely doing what was proposed back from 2004 with the earlier commissioners and we're here now so what everything what I'm trying to say is everything that we have been working for to bring rooftops we're here to deal with it and we're welcoming that because that's more
in our city that's more in our downtown area we have we have no industry but that's not to say it won't come the commercial will come once the rooftops are in place and that is basically what we're seeing and experiencing whether we
like it or not so we can work collaboratively and that's what I would like to get on as my main focus and my my main focus and my main point so why can't we work more collaborative collaboratively with the county to both
widen the roads and begin phase development for our 30,000 homes which we've already approved realistically that kind of buildout will take at least 5 to seven years 10 or 12 years or even more who
knows lastly I just want to address public perception each annexation requests pre each annexation requests presented by planning and zoning comes with detailed documentation that is um public information one is
including a traffic study which always is listed stating that with this development this these homes will not cause any effect on the roadway which often state there are no issues with the proposed
developments i would like to request representation from both traffic studies whoever is doing it and a person from the county to be at our meetings to address your concerns when you have questions where when when we are unable to ask the details that you're asking i
think this is a start for where we need to work together but stopping for is already in place what we've been hoping for and been put in place from previous commissioners I don't think that's the idol thing so these are my comments and I thank you for listening
commissioner Commissioner Barry I just I I Commissioner Barry I just like to say a couple things um this isn't stopping growth um this just stopping a temporary pause on annexations we still have over 25,000 lots that people can build on and you
still it does not stop commercial annexation it only stops temporarily for 21 months annexations of property into the city that are being proposed to be developed for residential purposes this has nothing to do with stopping
commercial development and it does not stop any type of development as far as residential property they can develop all 25,000 acres in the next 20 21 months if that's what they want to do they've got plenty of property to
develop on this well this is a temporary stay for us to get a handle on our water our wastewater system our road system and our school system it's just a temporary stay it does not stop building it all and they have like I said over 25,000 lots to build on and we only have
16,000 existing homes in the city so by comparison they've got plenty to to to build but I just want to clarify that but commissioner by making by making the 21 months how do we know that will be enough time to do what's better and we
don't I would say as you get closer towards the end of 2026 we would have this discussion again to see are we at that point now where we want to release this temporary stay do
we have a handle on our water wastewater school and road system and if we don't if we need more time we can always ask or we can ask we can vote for a continuous to add a little bit more time to it but if we feel like we have a good handle on at that point then we just let
it sunset in January of 27 it's like I said just temporary stay so uh to touch on uh the question that Mike had uh with regards to it was uh because I know you serve on that board
or you're a rep or liazison to the NPO so I was going to let you speak to that more than me yeah so um currently in Leburg uh the section of 441 from Perkins to New Hill is the only section
of 441 that's still two lane uh from north of the villages to Mount Dora so that project rates pretty high on the no list but never high enough for
it actually to occur so that's the only major project that we are currently in line for um with regard to residential development
uh that is and will continue to be the chief e economic driver for our community it's just the way it is 1,200 people a day move to
Florida when you look at the statistics for where are they moving what are the fastest growing counties in the state okay number one is Sumpter
County okay uh number six is Pulk County number 11 is Lake County and number 13 is Marian County so if if you just do the numbers there's 67
counties in Florida so if you look at those numbers it means we are in the the upper what is that one out of six something you know so 20% or better you could say 15% somewhere around there is
the number so the people are coming we have done a re real reignment a re re-evaluation of our comprehensive plan to try to deal with it you know when people get up and say "We're not looking at things." We just completed that we
were open for business wanting we had several meetings here wanting the public to come and give us their input on those things and then part of that comprehensive plan and part of what's the most important is that it's a uh
introspective look the departments themselves look at where they are where they need to be what are the things we're going to need so So we've just gone through this to act like we've got our head heads in the sand and we're not looking at this growth is just not
correct it's it's false information that people are pedalling currently we have the ability to say yes or say no on any
annexation for any type of PUD be it commercial be it residential we have that ability as commissioners so I'm listening to the people the people are telling me "Hey listen to the people." Okay half the
people are saying it's not good for your businesses you know it's not good for business not Well everybody that's in business would seem to be saying that the rest of the folks that are have moved here and live here
now listen we listen to what you guys have to say can you please give us the same Okay why don't you stand up and identify yourself you going to talk talk like that you
know we have the ability to say yes or to say no to any annexation and I'm not willing to give that up because some people think it's a good idea and others don't
we can say yes or no and we have both as a collective group said yes and we've collectively said no to annexations so I'm not in favor of this
have one question for the attorney grant is this a legally binding document well there's flexibility in this document that would not make it uh binding necessarily so there is a statement if you look towards the bottom
of the recital there it says that uh let's see just give me one second here it says the city commission will consider any application for residential annexation or resoning during this period however outside of extremely compelling circumstances the city
commission wishes to notify applicants of its current position so as to potentially save them time resources and expenses uh so again it's not uh binding this would not uh handcuff the commissioners so the commissioners if this were to be approved could still uh
approve a residential annexation if you want to this is more um the way I view it is more of a statement uh to people who would be looking to annex in that if this were to be approved that the city is not particularly interested in a
purely residential annexation um and as much as anything is sort of broadcasting that information out to those who might uh incur expenses or time or pour a lot of resources into potentially trying to annex into the city for residential
development to let them know sort of what the the current commission's position or perspective is on that uh to you know again potentially save them the time and resources uh and and not bringing something
forward that the city is not particularly interested in but it doesn't bind the city to uh deny every resident so a developer could still bring an application before the commission that's correct okay so it just goes back we already have a legal
process in place what's the point of this so um thank you Grant i respect Commissioner uh Barry Commissioner Peterson and Bur's comments i won't they echoed a lot of what I was going to say um so I won't for the sake of time go
into that but I appreciate those comments any other commission comments seeing none we will have a roll call commissioner Conell yes commissioner Bur no commissioner Peterson no commissioner
Barry no mayor Reeseman no we're going to move on to section four this section is public comments this section is reserve reserved for members of the public to bring up matters of concern or opportunities appraised please note that this this section is this note that issues raised during this
time will not be discussed in detail during the current meeting they will either be referred to the appropriate staff or scheduled for consideration at a future city commission meeting each speaker is allocated three minutes to provide their comments kindly adhere to this time limit to ensure equal opportunity for all participants and to
support the efficient conduct of the meeting thank you any public comments on any of the agenda items tonight seeing none I'll close public comments we're going to move to the consent agenda the routine items are placed on the consent agenda to expedite the
meeting if the commission or staff wish to discuss any item the procedure is as follows one pull the items for the consent agenda two vote on remaining items with one roll call vote three discuss each item pulled and then vote by roll call are there any items the commission would like to pull to this
evening seeing none can we make a motion can I get a motion to approve all the to approve the consent agenda yeah yeah motion to approve all items on consent agenda second we have a motion and a second second roll call are any further
discussion public comments seeing none roll call bur yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes mayor Eastman yes say it again take a break yeah so right
so we'll before we move into second public hearings we'll take a a short recess five minutes you didn't know the other lady was helping her we're going to call the commission meeting back to order we're going to
move to public hearings and non-rine items 6a second readings if someone would please introduce 6A1 2 3 to be read by title only
i'll introduce be read by title only thank you sir 6a1 an ordinance of the city of Leburg Florida annexing certain real property consisting of approximately 77.5 plus minus acres being journey located south
of county road 33 west of US Highway 27 and north of County Road 48 lying in sections 14 and 15 township 20 south range 24 east Lake County Florida provided that said property so annex shall be liable for its proportionate
share of the existing and future indebtedness of said city providing that such annex property shall be subject to all laws and ordinances of said city as of all such territory had been a part of the city of Leburg at the time of passage and approval of said laws and
ordinances providing that such annex territory shall be placed in city commission district 3 and providing an effective date 62 an ordinance It's amending the future land use map of a comprehensive plan of the city of Leburg
changing the future land use map designation of certain real property consisting of approximately 77.5 plus minus acres being generally located south of county road 33 west of US highway 27 and north of County Road 48
lying in sections 14 and 15 township 20 south range 24 east lake county Florida and providing an effective date 68 A3 an ordinance of the city of Leburg Florida changing the zoning on approximately 77.5 plus minus
acres from Lake County Agriculture to City of Leburg PUB planned unit development to allow for 235 detached single family residents 48 paired villas plus 120,000 square feet of amenities
medical office office and retail sales and service for property generally located South of County Road 33 west of US Highway 27 and north of County Road 48 lying in sections 14 and 15 Township 20 South range 24 East Lake County
Florida and providing an effective date motion to approve second before we move on I grant if you wouldn't mind swearing in any who will be speaking this evening mayor happy to do that if all members in the audience and city staff would please stand and raise your right hand if you
plan to provide any testimony on item 63 which is the Leather Leaf PUD resoning please stand raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that all testimony you'll give tonight will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth all right thank you all ready to go Mr mayor
any commission comments or discussions on these dan for turn this over to Oh did you have a question you want to turn it over to Dan yeah i mean I got a question for Dan but Dan can tell us about it first thank you Mr mayor dan Miller Planning and Zoning this is for the
Leather Leaf project the overall proposal as Andy stated 77 acres plus or minus located north of 48 and south of County Road 33 um there's also a large scale comprehensive plan amendment being
requested to change future land use designation from Lake County Regional Commercial to City of Leburg general commercial and a resoning requesting to amend the current zoning from Lake County a reculture to city of Leburg planned unit development u this is
outside the city's electric service area under the PUD requirements there would be 235 detached single family residences with 48 paired villas so plus 120,000 square feet of commercial uses there are no other uses
permitted in this proposal lot sizes 50 and 60 ft for the single family units 60 ft for the duplex units front setbacks 25 ft um lot depths 120 ft these are our standards that we've been using for some time house sizes are 1,600 and,700
square feet for each respective lot size and 1300 square feet on the duplex units that's 1300 square f feet for each side um minimum two off- streetet parking spaces for each unit and two floors of maximum height there would be approximately six acres devoted to
commercial enterprises along County Road 48 which would include space for a restaurant offices and basically a maximum of 120,000 square feet of those types of uses which would be adjacent to the main entrance on County Road 48 there are design and architectural
standards um I believe there's some facads in the packet dark sky lighting is required trees required in each individual yard 35% open space the usual standards we use in our planned unit developments there is also 25 foot landscape buffer all the way around the
entirety of the property boundaries with a fence required on any area not adjacent to an existing wetland or preserved area there are sidewalks required bea Bermuda grass is permitted um there are main access
points that all have to be boulevard type roadways which has a landscape median of 8 feet in the middle um with enough Wayne lane width area to allow for emergency vehicles to maneuver around if one side is blocked there' be 1.3 acres of recreation space which be
would allow for a swimming pool playground dog parks gazebo etc and finally there is the phasing clause which is in each PUD which if substantial commencement does not occur within 48 months four years u then the property would have an automatic
reversion to the RE1 zoning standards which is one acre per unit i believe Mr michael Ranken of LPG and Mount Dora is here and Mr logan Opsel from Louns Dos Caner and Reed as well
yes sir thank you um I'm on page 320 with the the comments from Lake County uh the Department of Public Works Engineering Division okay and uh they're saying that um that they have to do something with
Haywood Worm Farm Road that northern section of it but this this doesn't they just butt up to it they don't they're not going to be using that road for for any other purpose is
that correct they but up to Haywood Worm Farm Road but I believe there would be an emergency access or either emergency or full access at that point it depends on the final design so they did have requirements i mean they're asking for an upgrade to that road to meet the the
road standards of Leburg yes sir i I was just curious about that and then um they also the turn lanes uh but they did say they would like to see a traffic impact analysis is recommended to be provided
and reviewed prior to the PUD hearing did we get it occur yes we had that that is done um we coordinate with Lake County extensively particularly with their public works department um Lake County Public Works did have some significant
uh comments in regard to County Road 48 and 33 in each of those cases they were talking about left and right turn lanes additional right ofway additional area for the trail the Lake County Trail I forget the exact name that goes through there so um there is a significant
amount of coordination that goes on with them and Lake County did ask for quite a bit of extra land in order to make four lane 48 and they're they are aware is that both for 33 and for 48 i only know that about that for 48 i do not see that
in here for 33 okay and then the traffic study said the road's fine yes sir there's always a lot of confusion on that basically what a traffic study is is saying is does this development degrade a a roadway to a lower level of
service and what I mean by level of service levels of service in in transportation planning and keep in mind I'm not a transportation planner that's the whole science but um it's basically A through E a B CDE E F excuse me A through F and it's like grades in school
so if you have a level of service C on a road and that new development does not degrade it to a D that's what they mean by no impact okay but Dan the the the just going to what they're
proposing is just a a a turn delane they're not they're not talking about they're not going to widen here it says something they're going to widen the whole road that 1.1 mile strip no I didn't I didn't think that leave property for a re they're talking
about well for that for that portion of that subdivision yes sir but you you've already got um major problems already i don't think just that one portion of that road we Why then why didn't the county this is this will be the third development that's been approved on this
1.1 mile stretch in the last six or eight months did the county get right away on these other two developments yes sir they did yes sir so so but but they still don't have it from one end to the other they got enough they got enough rightway to put del lanes or turn lanes
in to these developments but not to made not to make the road a four-lane road you cannot request from a development anything that's outside the contiguous property line well exactly yes I understand the develop I understand you couldn't require a development to go out and acquire property from somebody else
but did they give enough property to the county to your knowledge to make to make this a fourlane road across the front of their property or just enough to make it a turn lane delane into their property to my knowledge the county had very
similar comments on every development along that roadway so that they would widen it in that in that same manner as this one in here it says uh County Road 48 additional rightway for County Road 48 to accommodate sight road and rideway
improvements and accommodate future fourlane of County Road 48 along with the trail so even Yes sir that also the county's the county's been very specific on on these and which is good that's that's Well I I understand
that and it is a good thing but when you've got three developments or potentially third development being approved tonight on this 1.1 mile stretch and you only have enough rightway that front on those three pieces of property what good does it really do you um you you you can't make
it four lane two lane four lane two lane uh you still got a two-lane road run through there for years until the county gets the rest of that right away it doesn't really it doesn't help the the the situation presently with um these potentially third development on that
road yes sir anytime in the future understand i have a question please so when they do the traffic study um is it considered what's already been approved before i guess that's what you're asking as well so is it not it's not just this
development what about the previous development that we've correct and and again I am not a traffic expert okay okay but but they are taking into account everything that's been approved up to that point so if something came in after this one yeah they they wouldn't
know about it once this one came in um they would have the the work done on the traffic study for every development up to the point of this one so if anything else were to come in I wouldn't include it if this is the last development on
this stretch of the land it's already including all of the other unless something comes in tomorrow no I mean from the others that have been approved this ma'am particular study is including those that have been approved
in the stretch yes ma'am okay that's what I want to mention thank you commit to the commission we'll open up for public comments you would please state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes mr nappa it's looks like it's turned off
there you go all right okay we'll restart your time real quick sorry yeah I'm going to need it all as a resident of Leburg who lives close to this section of road I suggest you do not approve this PUD which would add to an already overburdened stretch of road a year and a half ago I published my first
video about the dangers of this mile stretch of road and it has gotten only worse since i counted I took a photo at two o'clock in the afternoon under 22 cars backed up at the 27 light with the other two developments you approved last year on this road the three would add
750 residences with about 1500 new vehicles and 7,500 car trips per day in addition you also approved an apartment complex just east of the turnpike on Route 470 which is also going to add traffic to this area you invited the villages to build thousands of homes in
Leburg and you do nothing to facilitate these residents coming into Leburg and becoming part of a community the villager posted these exact words in one of my videos about the stretch of road thank you for the update and for your efforts to get as much information as possible those of us in New Lake Denim
and Dabney and of course the Enclave which are all part of Villages of Westlake have a vested interest in what will be done with 470 especially access to Leburg al you need to get your checkbook ready in an email on February 4th by
Kirby Smith to Fred Schneider assistant county manager he he asked "Is there anything we can do to make Leburg redo this road at their cost if they're taking a road from a C to an F grade would that trigger something the widening of this road is
on the NO list of on their website in 2024 it was ranked 13th this year 2025 it's dropping to 15th so nothing's going to ever happen with this section of road i asked why it's dropping to 15th because they they shoved in two projects
in Sumpre County ahead of it it is not yet funded and the likelihood that it will be funded is about five years if we're lucky we can't not deal with the consequences for that long the cost of widening this stretch of 1.1 mile stretch of road is estimated to be
between 15 and $20 million i recently learned that county road 470 will be widened to four lanes by the villages up to Megas Road is being paid for by using transportation impact fee credits this has already begun so there's going to be more traffic coming into this area if
this is like 466A in Fruitland Park it could take many years for this expansion to be extended to Route 27 at last at the last NPO meeting I mentioned this before we're $127 million short for the five next fiveyear period versus the
last five years this annexation needs to be delayed until the county road 48 can handle it so that not even more dangerous situations not created by careless and unbridled development moreover your own planning commission rejected the annexation four to
two you need to listen to the people you appoint to that commission or else what is its purpose you need to do what is right for the existing residents of Leburg who voted you into office not what is right for developers thank you thank you sir
any other public comments seeing none Dan I do have a question do we know when um they're going to be upgrading that intersection at 48 and 33 is do we have a timeline on that 26 27th the plans that you're
looking at okay and and that would be with county i think they were looking at general fun thank you developer like to state anything this evening
good evening mayor members of the commission audience uh for the record Mike Ranken representing uh Holiday Foliage Inc with me tonight is Chris Walsh with the uh walls traffic engineers loaden's
law uh be loan ops of council and I'm asking tonight for the uh approval of what staff's recommendations are we do agree with the uh items within the PUD the uh there are several items and
and due to the length of the evening I'll be brief with my comments and yield any time that uh uh you may need to ask either a traffic engineer or or attorney uh and I do know that uh the county does
seek right away for new developments especially along this corridor so um respectfully how we're going to get that road widen is to see additional development along that along that road that I'll end my comments there
any more public comments seeing none we'll close it turn it back to the commission oh you had a comment sorry very briefly i appreciate the introduction logan Obsol Law Firm uh just want to point out a couple quick things and and again we'll stand for specific questions thanks to the applicant team for being
here um what's being proposed of course for the annexation and comp plan and and reszoning um the properties located within the interlocal service boundary areas the ISBA um your staff report notes the request
for annexation deals with wanting to uh avail this property to the process procedures uh and requirements of the city uh it's this project offers about 35% of open space um we appreciate your
staff this has been a collaborative effort dan mentioned you know working with us also working with the county on these issues that you bring up um we've redesigned this project to allow for wider lot sizes but I think what's important to note here is this is a mixeduse project being proposed um I
have heard noted several times uh both in public comment from planning commission and other meetings as well from this body uh the need for commercial in the city and in this area uh six plus acres of commercial component being proposed with supporting
residential um on the back um and again I I just wanted to point out the collaborative effort uh that's gone into this plan uh again noting those wider lot sizes of the 77 acres um just about
half is actually going to be developed that's okay so that's accounting for open space uh green area wetlands things like that so so all of that the of the 77 and a half acres only about half is being developed of which six plus acres
for the commercial again a needed needed use within the city in this area so I wanted to point those things out um and I'm happy to answer any specific questions all of the applicant team is Thank you for your time any questions for the
applicants seeing none all right we'll close public comments we'll turn it back to the commission any Yeah I do have a couple yes sir as I said this would be if this gets approved and not this would be the third development that's been approved on that 1.1 stretch of road
probably in the last nine months um yeah I know I've heard some discussion tonight the county is going to put a turn lane or two into 33 and 48 and the developers are I guess volunteering and giving the county some right away along
the frontage of their property but none of that's happening overnight and the county doesn't have the rightway down that 1.1 to widen this road i just don't I I I would say once the improvements are made to this road absolutely bring this project on i just
think it's not it's premature to bring it online now on this two-lane road and still with a bad intersection and the commercial development i think everybody on this commission knows I I strongly support commercial development but to be
quite honest with you this is not a great location for six acres of commercial development on a two-lane road that's already congested and then we're going to put six acres of of commercial development onto it um it's it's absolutely horrible i I I just think it's a terrible location for
commercial development and I support major commercial development so I think that this project I think ought to be turned down tonight for annexation until that road system's improved and it can handle the additional residential lots
and it can handle the six acres of commercial development that's going to bring additional traffic already onto an existing bad road we have now any comm other commissioner comments i've been under the weather so I apologize um Al as I look at one of
your maps it looked like this road is to be widened am I Is that just air or I'm misreading the map here i'm looking at 470 coming across looks like it goes It goes on this map all the way to 27 am I wrong i'm not sure Dan
on page 11 okay okay okay i thought earlier earlier someone said it was not even on the five-year plan i thought somewhere I heard like 25 26 or 26 27 i'm fine okay at least on the radar at least
so there's no further comments we'll go to roll call on 6A1 commissioner Peterson commissioner Barry yes commissioner Conell no commissioner Bur yes mayor
Reeseman yes roll call on 62 oh we need a motion to approve sorry motion to approve 6 A2 we have a motion and a second discussion public comments seeing none
roll call commissioner Barry yes commissioner Conell no the density is too uh Commissioner Bur yes commissioner Peterson yes mayor Reeseman yes would someone please make a a motion for 683
motion to approve 63 we need a second second we have a motion and a second discussion seeing none public comments seeing none roll call commissioner No commissioner Bur yes commissioner
Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes mayor Re yes would someone please introduce 684 i'll introduce as be read by Titan an ordinance of the city of Leburg Florida establishing new district boundaries based on the American Census
Survey produced by the US Census Bureau and other information in order to create districts which are reasonably compact and roughly equivalent in population establishing a schedule for the election of commissioners from the various new
districts providing a savings of clause providing conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date motion to approve seeing none roll call commissioner Bur yes commissioner Peterson yes
commissioner Barry yes commissioner Kell yes mayor Reese yes would someone please introduce 6B1 i'll introduce and ask to be read by title an ordinance of the city of Leburg Florida adding PDO planned development
overlay to the existing R1A single family residential zoning on approximately 16.22 plus minus acres to allow for agricultural uses for property generally located east of north east of number two road sorry and south of
county road 48 lying in section 17 township 20 south range 25 east lake county Florida and providing an effective date this is first reading so it will lay over till April 28th april 28th any Dan do you want to give a quick
overview thank you mayor um this is a plan development overlay remember that's just an overlay that adds a use or two to an existing zoning um 16.2 acres it's located on the south side of County Road
48 and east side of number two road in this particular location in this particular circumstance agricultural uses are compatible with the surrounding uses and do not propose a detriment or create a nuisance for the surrounding properties um Mr john McGee is here if
you have any questions it's simply to allow simple agricultural use to growing hay growing chickens uh fowl animals whatever not a problem for us any questions for Dan from the commission any questions for the
applicant would the applicant like to say anything you're good okay any public comments seeing none this will lay over till April 28 we'll move on to 6C non-rine items we have none seven,formational reports we have none city attorney items
no items this evening Mr mayor thank you thank you Grant item nine city manager items no items no items tonight all right roll call tonight mr mary um actually I have one that's pretty short please it's just my
summary from at the Florida League of Cities at legislation days if I could have you if if I could have um the city clerk to record these as amendments it's just the actual statements of the bills that were concerned and I'm just saying
I can read it it just says "Attending this year's legislative action days was incredibly important for me as a first term commissioner especially as I approached my final year before considering the next election next election cycle it was essential to understand the legislative priorities
under the new administration and understand the results of how our community will be impacted one of the most valuable aspects of my attendance was the opportunity to engage directly with legislators and discuss the potential of these bills with several
proposals aimed at eliminating critical services that entire cities rely on I found it alarming to consider the long-term consequences for the for our residents having these conversations enable me to advocate for policies that genuinely serve our communities and
ensure that local governments have the necessary resources to function effectively overall this experience reinforced the importance of staying informed and involved in the legislative process it was a privilege to represent my community and work toward solutions
that support the well-being of all of our citizens in Leburg respectfully submitted Commissioner Allison Berry and it's just a list of the proposed um a few of the ones that really affect our area which was on our agenda um two
weeks two meetings before yeah so just the listing I can pass out to each one of you thank you Commissioner Barry for going up there and representing us that's it for me yeah she's done commissioner Canal
yes i have one thing um there was a a statement uh released middle part last week uh from the city manager concerning um the city stance on this resolution that was proposed and and voted on
earlier tonight and the stance was recommended a denial i I wasn't sure why the city manager felt like he needed to weigh in on such a controversial decision in the middle of the week uh so I did speak with him um the conversation
was that he was basically given a directive from the commission to release a statement my question was how are you given a statement or directive when we have not had a commission meeting um he
uh I'm going to assume he's pulled commissioners and got three votes to go on record to make a a a public statement which I find to be completely out of line unprofessional and borderline unethical um I'd like to know tonight
what commissioners did he uh speak with and get a a um positive vote if you will to move forward to release a public statement on the city's stance on this resolution uh can I see a raise of hands on what commissioners were were spoke to
about this i think that response is I think a city manager talks to all of us yeah uh he well I will I'll tell you he did he did not include me in this uh conversation m uh Commissioner Barry were you included i'm not sure what you asked did did the city manager call you
last week and ask you where you stood on this resolution and before he released a public comment on the city's stance on him recommending a denial on this on the vote did did he speak to you okay so he
didn't speak to me he didn't speak to you uh he spoke to Commissioner um Bur here what other commissioners he speak to i speak to Al about some of the issues okay so he spoke to you too Commissioner i I said I don't know i don't know you don't recall don't recall sorry really
from five days ago i talked to Al quite a bit about a lot of matters city manager about this multiple times okay so Okay so he spoke to two and I'm going to guess he spoke to Commissioner Peterson about it he left myself and your yourself
Commissioner uh Barry out of the conversation did Did he Did he call you last week and ask you which way you stood on the resolution Commissioner Barry okay so he didn't call me and he didn't call you he he called these three commissioners and
and and formed a consensus to go on record now I don't know about you Commissioner Barry i find it extremely unoffensive unprofessional and lack of respect that me or you were not involved in this conversation um he only
consulted three of the commissioners and not myself or you um to go on record i'm not sure why even felt like he needed to go on record but I I think you ought to take a think take a look at this too because he left you out of the conversation also
sorry I'm not even sure what the conversation you're referencing so I'm going to say no okay he he he he he went on record and made a statement publicly to the Daily Commercial that he was proposing to vote against this
resolution tonight i question why he felt the need to go on record to make that statement publicly i was informed by him that he was given a directive by the commission i question how he was given a directive when we had no meeting
so I'm polling if you will tonight in a public meeting which is okay to poll in a public meeting um to find out what commissioners gave him this directive he did not speak to me and I'm getting it he did not speak to you he spoke to the other three commissioners left me and you out of that conversation just I want
to for an FYI I want you to know that me and you were apparently out of the loop when it comes to decisions the city manager wants to make he's not he's not consulting with us so I think that's his professional opinion and I I could say the same thing about you Commissioner Canel you asked for a resolution to be
put on the table without having any prior discussion with the commissioners i I I don't have to get permission from there there should have been public there should not have Alan there should have not been this it was on it went on to the agenda for
discussion what what the city manager did was without discussion there's a difference there mr commissioner would we be having this discussion if I made a recommendation to vote for Yes i I I I strongly I strongly believe that you
before you make any recommendation all the all the commissioners should be consulted before you go on record to make a public announcement of one way or the other is there a staff recommendation on every issue that comes i I don't I I on something like this out
the staff recommendation you're not you're not Dan's not going to Dan's not going to commercial to make a statement he's putting a staff memo out you could have put a staff memo out you chose to go to the daily commercial there is a difference when did you talk to the
daily commercial i read it in the daily commercial friday when did my staff report come out i don't know because you didn't read the package comes out on Wednesday no I know when the the packet came out you actually emailed the thing out Friday night actually it was 30 minutes after the conversation I had
with you i nailed out my presentation the presentation yeah exactly exactly the presentation come out 30 minutes after I had this conversation with you the staff recommendation came out which I thought was coincidental Wednesday when the I made my point okay let can I make my point Mr mayor so the the
commissioner accused me of polling the commission which I think needs to be responded to as your city manager I have a responsibility to make recommendations on things that are controversial and non-controversial and that's what I did
did I consult the Commissioner Canel prior to making my recommendation no did I talk with Commissioner Canel yeah I obviously did because he asked me to put the item on the agenda as news came out each and every
one of you talked to me about this topic each and every one of you expressed opinions to me about where you stood or had questions about this matter two of you directly told me to have a presentation about data on growth that I
did that's what I did i did not pull the city commission i was not a conduit to the sunshine i did my job i'm sorry that the commissioner didn't like how I did my job i I'm sorry that the commissioner
didn't like my recommendation i find it ironic and would bet that we would have never had this conversation had I made a recommendation the other way don't don't don't assume you know what that what that means um and I would also again
Commissioner Barry you were not involved or privy to any conversation with the city manager concerning before he did that either so I just want to make sure you're aware me and you were outside the loop here um apparently there's three commissioners running the show and me and you are just here for for just
purposes to have a quorum commissioner I don't have anything tonight mayor couple things just wanted to make sure you guys know that the chamber breakfast is on April 24th here at 7 a.m and then obviously the end of the month is Bikefest April 25th and 26th and 27th i
want to say a huge shout out to all of our staff and the different departments who will assist with prepping and the aftermaths uh of BikeFest and all the other agencies from around the county and surrounding counties who come in and assist us i know that's we're greatly appreciated to that so with that I'll
take a motion to adjurnn turn