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e e e e e e e e e good afternoon and welcome to the greater lebur CRA City Commission
meeting at 505 we'll call the meeting to order if you would stand for the invocation and The Pledge dear heavenly father we come to you this evening give us the best wisdom to make the best decisions on behalf of the city of lebur in your precious name
amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all move to the approval of the minutes
for the September 12th 2024 meeting we need a approval we have approval and we have a second any discussion seeing none roll call commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner Ponder yes commissioner canel yes commissioner bur
yes chairperson rean yes would someone please introduce 3A introduced as be read by title only resolution of the greater leeburg community redevelopment a agency of the city of leeburg Florida authorizing the chairman and secretary to execute a
resolution approving fiscal year 20125 facade sign and Landscape Grant Awards and providing an effective date move for approval please second second any discussion I do have a few things yes sir on the um the Napa
application we only require one bid yes I gu so really we're going to give away taxpayer money based on one bid from a contractor out of Louisiana so that was my comments as well canel's uh the sign Builder out of state so yeah
I mean I can't believe we don't require several bids to make sure before we give money away yeah we we haven't asked for that in the past that was the policy you can you can amend the policy or whatever you all want to do I I'd like to get multiple bids before we start giving money
away what is the average bids two or three that you normally do I did you not ever is Rob back there I well it's up to 25 do you know what the $25,000 is I think it's I think at that stage it still
quotes up to three yeah this is one of the larger ones you know a lot of them have been smaller so it hasn't been as big of an issue you know you know a lot of three five $7,000 contracts I think this one I forget the numbers 19 maybe maybe if we do that at least
chime and say doing on larger amounts I I don't want people having to bid out I don't know I'm just thinking I 10,000 and under 5,000 I can't remember what this one how much was this one for I think it's a total of like 34,000 that's above the requirement I
think that's high I just I didn't like that it was an out of state contractor we're giving money I would prefer to see at least a lesburg or or even just a Lake County Business be able to bid on this so where we yeah say I think we should be getting more than one b on before we start
giving money away hey Rob what's the what's the internal policy for expenditure that's 19,21 does that three verbal quotes it it would be written quotes written quotes not an RFP so so that's yeah so
that's the that's the internal policy for $199,000 for the city spending is three quotes but we have three not on this program so that's what I'm saying if you guys want to amend it we have given out as you know several FSL grants
without the quotes that's so if if you want to add the quotes we can certainly do that I I would like to see multiple quotes myself I would support this one but then I would support amending the policy after that I I I don't really want to
Blindside this applicant but I I will agree with it going forward I mean just not saying I've made my mind made up my mind yet that's just what I'm thinking out loud is it because it's a corporation and they have to get their signs from corporate maybe that's the issue I I
don't I think the issue was we wanted to make it as easy as possible for businesses to improve their facades which helps the city so we tried to make it business friendly um it's never been an issue until this evening if you all want to change it got no issue doing that just give us that direction and
we'll move there we' got multiple sign contractors in town and multip many of them in Lake county is I don't know it's like me went straight to probably Nappa who deals with their signs and probably did even El listed
any other quotes this was submitted in October correct October 18th yeah for nap of Auto and Mr ice I think was after that but okay since both these items are
in the same resolution I'll go and talk any other discussion on Napa I have some questions on Mystic so do I would you like to go ahead sir uh yeah that it appears to be on the rendering it's a mural did this go didn't we put a board together to review murals we did and I
had a conversation with Amanda mclo about that um she saw the mural in a private well no no meeting is private but I had a meeting with Amanda last week um she was okay with the concept um but no I we staff failed to get it to
the art committee okay I mean we can so we can restart that one over as well and make sure it gets to the art committee but we didn't think that that one was going to be of significant concern for the commission but we can certainly go back that way I mean it's a mural the side of a building and so we we had
decided all murals going to go in front of the art board prior to coming to us for their review and recommendations so I had those same comments commissioner canel um as much as I very Pro art we have a board in place and we shouldn't be bypassing this and I'm sure it was
just an oversight sure I I would like to see if we could table both items and send it back to the applicants to go before the board the uh public Arts Advisory Board and then uh the Napa see if they can get at least a local quote I don't know what your guys thoughts are
on that I would I would be good with that that sounds I mean I'd prefer just let this one go on through I'm sure we put him to a lot of work but I'm okay with that I'm not going to vote against it can we get a [Music] motion a motion to uh allow what you
want a motion to table oh okay just the motion to table uh how long indefinite bring it back to you when it's ready sorry about that motion to table you have a motion second second any discussion on the motion um yes ma'am what was the distance just inde definite
and staff will bring it back to us once they get with the applicants no discussion roll call commissioner bar yes excuse me commissioner Ponder yes commissioner canel yes commissioner bur yes commissioner Peterson yes chair
person Reon yes uh roll call commissioner Peterson uh nothing tonight other than are do we want to talk about the the limit right there what we just with j just brought up this one here we talked about a limit on it like
over is it 19,000 we want to mirror the city at 19 or put it at 25 you're talking too different the limit on the FSL Grant is 25,000 correct but the approval for the for two three bids is 19,000 and no your direction to me is 0
to 25,000 in this grant program you want three bids yeah I would think so so if you got a $1,000 sign you want three bids if you got a $25,000 sign is there three local sign sign companies that we can going be able
to get bids from if you're just a local business are there three three signed companies in Leesburg that you can get bids from yes or is there two there's two I know mid flid and SC Crafters right but
who else is Barry Barry not bus J jber he used to be he used to be down south street I mean I don't even care if leburn just saying I I just think we need three bids anytime we we we look at giving away money to make sure we're getting the the
best [Music] price I'm okay with that so and all I was trying to say was you do I want to put the guy who's gonna come in with a five or $10,000 project through that I mean I really I mean if I'd let that one
I'd like to see a limit of something is there an option to put a limit like to make a cut off above my recommendation I don't mean I'm sorry I mean to my recommendation is to leave this how it is the FSL program's been this way since Inception you mean leave it where leave it where it's at you want we're trying
to encourage businesses to get rid of monopole signs non-conforming signs and come up and and and affect the Aesthetics and beauty of our community by proper signage that helps our community look good and helps businesses
so the more requirements you put on that business even though it's to bid even though that makes sense I think you're going to deter businesses from applying for the grant that's my opinion I work for the collective wisdom and and and
the the the less expensive the sign gets or if it's just you know painting are you going to require the the three bids for painting so it's a it's an up to 25,000 you know that's a three quote for us I don't think that the requirements
that we have in the program are horribly or Beyond U unreasonable fiduciary responsibility but if the commission desires to get quotes that what that's what will require and I believe we've been doing we've been doing this entire time I've been on the commission five
six seven eight years have you ever come across anything that was outrageous I mean something that was inappropriate or you had to go back in question I will say that everything's been within the grant prior parameters of up to 25,000 but also say most of them have all been
local businesses that they did business with as well so this is the first non so as a so could we say that we we need a local company or three bids preference for local vendors just a just a bid from
a local company and you could use an out of town but we need a local bid well piggy backing off Al's comments I do like we're overly complicating this and you know these aren't these aren't that big of dollars and and they are putting this is they are putting money into it they have skin in the game so they do I
don't I don't think over complicating I mean they're asking the city for basically free money I don't think it's too much to ask that they they get a couple proposals I mean nobody gets any work done at their house I assure you without getting at least two quotes on
what the cost is going to be I'm going to well I don't want to bet I was going to say they probably L got some quotes just brought us to one but who knows I mean well I mean most quotes are in writing I mean they could have submitted them in if they did I I just don't think it's too much to ask they're coming to the city asking for free money that they
give us a couple quotes to make sure that we're not giving money away for something we could have got could have had done for half the price the idea of not putting a number on it but saying at least one quote has to be local makes a lot of sense just want to direct staff to yeah
now you thrown out a couple of Concepts yeah I was say we're definitely overly overly complicating it now everybody got yeah so Robert the representative from nap is here one of the things that we run into in the purchasing side which is what he just said that corporate they
have two vendors that they can use Nationwide for the company so it's the same as we put out to bid if they have a Statewide contract and it's on contract we have to purchase through them whether local or not thank you for saving us on that
one and based on that I'll support this sign just of Napp a sign and I will support the other one going to Art board um I was going to say approve it subject art board but that's not really right [Music]
so there's motion there's a motion to table to table so knowing what we know about the Napa contract do we want to remove the table and he's got the motion take away that's up to you commissioner yeah I will gladly withdraw the motion
do we have a second you need so well you're back to the original motion now to approve the resolution right okay so would you like to make a new motion commissioner okay so I uh make a motion that we approve the nap assign as recommended and we
send the uh mural through the art board first and then back to the city commission I need just I I think we got do them separately what do you mean separately sir two separate votes get two different projects here instead of approving them
both both blanket okay how do you feel about the first how do you feel about the second exactly yes I'll make a motion we approve withdraw my last motion make the motion that we approve the Napa sign as proposed we have a motion on the floor to approve Napa second we have a motion
in a second any discussion roll call on the approval of an appli commission [Music] P yes commissioner conel no commission bur yes commissioner Peterson yes
commission Barry yes yes chair person raceman yes can I get a motion on the Mystic ice cream mural motion to uh send the mural to the uh Arts board for review prior to City commission we have a motion second any
discussion I I know the applicant is here he would like to say something Mr Daryl if you would come up and state your name and address for the record thank you uh good evening to all of you uh my name is darl day I'm the owner of Mystic ice cream and just an observation and I'm so thankful uh that you uh
consider us for the the grant proposal that we we submitted um that this is our third year and applying for the grant the first year we didn't get it in in time uh the second year the building owner had submitted something bigger so
he won and we didn't uh so we're hoping that this year might uh be a little bit different and I think we're looking at $4,000 something like that and we did what was asked of us as far as the the Grant application
submission and all that it it doesn't say in the application process oh and by the way an our board will now take a look at your things or uh you need to have two or three other bids we certainly could have done that had it been asked of us at the time of
application so uh glad to do whatever you ask you know we're just talking about a little mural inside the building it'll make it look awesome I think uh we respect your comments and I think the board just is asking for the process to be fulfilled and I think that was a little bit of an oversight on our part
our staff's part and it just needs to go back to the Arts Advisory board for their recommendation and then it would come back to us Oh I thought they did that okay no they have not done that so and I do we have a date set for the Arts no not yet so we'll get we'll get something set sooner than later okay appreciate you all and FYI this is a new
process for us and you're the first one to come through since we created this art board so that's why it kind of fell through the cracks it it's actually the second second yeah but again and and just on this you know I I'll fall on the sword here and and look I will really
encourage the commission to approve this um because in essence it's a Time issue and we're talking 4,000 bucks and we're talking about putting an applicant through another 30 to 60 days to do the process right which is a new process so hold me accountable this is my fault it
even came on my desk and I was about to yank it until I talked with Amanda and Amanda was like no it looks good so henceforth I would either I would say approve it and move forward don't approve it because it's ugly which I don't think anybody thinks that because
otherwise you'd be saying that uh yell at me and tell me never to do it again um and then henceforth moving forward all murals will go before and I think the petitioner also makes a good argument that in in the applications we don't say it has to go before the art
committee because when the program was contemplated there was no Arts committee and because there was no Arts committee and remember the Arts committee was formed uh back when Maria stanovic was here to do public art and then that immediately crashed due to the circumstances surrounding the Arts
committee so in all honesty my office including myself has not given a whole lot of thought to the Arts committee hence why I continue to forget um but I would encourage the the commission to approve it um or approve it pending the Arts review which will save him one more
step or or do what you have but I can assure the commission that there will never be another instance where I fail to follow the process um I wasn't going to say anything about it the mural because I was going to let
it go to the art board first but um but based on your comments um is I I I really just don't think it fits in with downtown I mean I I just don't think it it fits in with the theme of what you're trying to establish downtown at all um I
um I just don't see how it fits into the historic type of theme you're trying to portray downtown to be uh with a ice cream truck or whatever it is on the side of a building um I just think it I wasn't going to bring that up tonight cuz I thought I was going to go back the
art board and we discuss it when it came back to us but I I I do I I I don't particularly care for the rendering downtown I will say um art is subjective it is AB um I may not like everything but I do think this is a good representation of that business that is
in there if you uh have been in his store this is very much the the style and eclectics of that rest of that store um he is a long-standing um good business in downtown I would be in favor um after what our city manager has said
if someone would make a motion um to approve it pending the Arts board um I think this is a is is a good start for the mural that we want to see in our city um and it's a good representation of that business and it's fun and inviting for kids to come down and see
that I'm sure it represents his building fun I just don't know it represents our downtown as a whole is what I'm saying Alan I mean it probably represents this building perfectly I respect that do I have to withdraw my motion again I don't think we have I don't think you
have yeah you got a second what was the motion to send to miss to the art board indefinitely Or so resend that or vote on that but now make it so resend it and then make it okay so I'll withdraw that motion and make a new motion that we
approve approve the mural tonight subject to review by the Arts board to approval from the Arts board I'll second that any discussion commissioner Barry did you have something I was just G to do the motion that's okay so we have a motion in a second on the floor any
further discussion roll call commissioner conell no commissioner bur yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner Ponder yes chairperson rean
yes roll call okay commissioner Barry um I just no I don't have anything tonight I think commissioner Ponder yes I just wanted to give update that we had a community clean up and I'm excited to um say that we removed um
three and a half tons of crashed on the community clean up on Saturday from our side of town on the east side I know that the other commissioner may want to speak on um what happened um on the other on the other side in the carver height side but it was very successful and uh we had um 10 um adults and
several kids that came out and we worked hard and uh we met at the corner store um commissioner Barry um donated breakfast um my husband our business donated lunch and we had a really a a good time celebrating community and doing some uh improvements in the
neighborhood commissioner conell nothing commissioner bur yeah as long as we're talking murals downtown uh on not sure what street that is the orange that goes down the hill there's a mural on the wall there that I'm not
sure went through our art board but I'd like that investigated yeah what is this it's it's Orange Street orange orange is the one way that goes down the hill uh on the side of the building okay what is the picture of what is it not really
sure tell you can't identify oh um it maybe a bass wings and bass or something yeah not real sure what it is but I I would like the an opinion from the art board regarding that I mean that's what
we've made the artboard for so maybe staff can get a hold of that building owner we look into it so cat thank you chairperson raan uh nothing this evening move for adjournment second second moot meeting's
adjourned 527 three minutes you want me to first thing so the audience yeah e e e
e e e e e we'll go ahead and call the February 24th City Commission meeting to order we've already had the invocation in the pledge in the prior meeting I do want to let before we get to the proclamations
that items 6b1 or yeah 6 B1 2 and 3 a 6 A1 2 and 3 have been with withdrawn by the applicant so those will not be heard tonight so if you're here for those items 6 A1 2 and three have been
withdrawn by the applicant yeah just if if I can if I can add to so those those were formally withdrawn by the applicant we have record of that in our office so the case ends here any any modification there to on that project or that parcel
would have to if they if they change or want to do something different it would have to start at the beginning of the process again which would be to formulate an application review by the Planning and Zoning pnz then back to you all so that would anything else on that property uh seeking annexation zoning
petition would start from scratch so it's officially dead until such modification or change or new application would come thank you city manager is the lebur high school girls weightlifting team here if they could if
they could come in and stand up [Music] here Coach B and your team you guys want to come up here and [Music] stand hear all those Metals clanging don't hold them let them clang yeah
yeah you guys can come up here wow yeah we can recognize you guys look at that she's gonna have Nick ache is that everybody for today okay okay all right all right whereas the city of leberg believes that student athletes are an
important part of the leberg community and wishes to recognize the leberg high school lady lifters girls weightlifting team on their extraordinary performances throughout the 2024 2025 season and whereas under the leadership of head coach Coach Josh Boer and assistant
coach Taylor Woods the 2024 and 2025 LHS lady lifters team accomplished the following District runner-up in Olympic Regional runner-up in traditional Regional Championship and Olympic class 2A state runnerup in traditional in class 2A state championship and Olympic
their third FHSAA team state championship including back-to-back titles in the Olympic category and whereas the 2024 2025 FHS AA class 2A state championship meet the following lifters medled in their
respective weight classes Kayla Nord State runner up in traditional in third place in Olympic Navea Wells state champion in traditional with 500 PBS total and Melisa LeBron malissa LeBron escardo state
championship in both Olympic and traditional setting State records and snatch with 125 lbs and Olympic total with 280 PB and whereas the sport of weightlifting is largely an individual effort team spirit and support are essential part of
the lifter successes and the members of the 2024 2025 LHS lady lifter team are as follow milissa LeBron escardo Kayla Nord forgive me if I mispronounced these names Jas perilla Hannah stubs Navea
Wells andren Alexander Alexis Aro Liz Beltran Jasmine Benton Cameron Boer Zia Conley Ariana D Brooke Falen yandar heling Brianna Johnson Savannah Johnson
Zia lockart Danny McCormack McKenzie moer grael peton Genesis Romero Alandra Cerna Payton Sykes lla Vanek Lacy Whitman and zar
right whereas coach boer's tenure of the LHS weightlifting programs girls and boys have had tremendous success including 149 individual state qualifiers 100 individual State medalists with 21 FHSAA individual State
runner-ups and 17 individual fhsa state championships and five team state championships and Coach Boer was selected as the Florida Dairy Farmers coach of the year in 2023 Boys in 4 girls now therefore I Alan reesman mayor
of the city of leeburg do hereby extend heartfelt congratulations to the 2024 2025 leberg High School lady lifters girls weightlifting team urge all citizens to applaud their exemplary sportsmanship and achievements thank them for being positive role models for our youth of our city and wish them
continued success in the upcoming years go jackets [Music] [Music] [Music] proud
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wow very cool all right we'll move on to presentations I will turn this over to the city manager yeah it is Melissa you come come on [Music]
you want to say a few they're right [Music] there the microphone uh as you guys know uh we have uh two long-term employees who are getting ready to retire uh at
the end of this month on the 28th um so let me do actually believe it or not the junior employee first which is uh Tino Anthony who has uh I want to say that Tina was one of the first department heads I appointed
yes under duress well that wasn't my duress but but anyway so Tina we I wanted to present this to you this evening it's a presentation on behalf of the city commission for your 20 years of dedicated service to the city of lebur
thank you and uh the past 10 is is as 11 11 as IT director as as of this Thursday it'll be 21 years you go so I just missed it okay take care you're welcome oh
[Music] [Applause] okay and it might as well be a good time and now uh Mike and Andrews um our network manager is going to be Our IT
director effective March 1st very good um this one also is 20 years of service Jim Williams come on up here I think Jim is probably served the city a little longer to that I think back in the day when
there was an appointed clerk Jim was the the clerk and finance director then left us to Mount Dora was years he was and then he smartened up and came back um and then Jim Jim I think came back uh when Bill Spinelli was our
finance director and then when Bill left uh to to chase the career uh i w i was uh smart enough to hire Jim as our finance director so Jim again this is on behalf of the city commission thanking you for your years of dedicated service to the city appreciate it and I would
like to say it's a pleasure working with a city manager that understands the bud is a real thing some days anyway so and um thank you I don't think Paul's here this evening uh but Paul Austin our
customer service manager uh is going to be replacing Jim effective March 1st as well so very couple couple of changes on the way great things ahead thank you guys for your years in dedicated service to the city uh next we will move to public comments this section is reserved for members of
the public to bring up matters of concern or opportunities of appraise please note that issues raised during this time will not be discussed in detail during the current meeting they will either be referred to appropriate staff or scheduled for consideration at a future city commission meeting each speaker has allocated three minutes to
provide their comments kindly adhere to the time limit to ensure equal opportunity for all participants and to support the efficient conduct of the meeting thank you do we have any public comments this evening if you would please state your name and address for the record I think they were ahead of me
go ahead go ahead Sor okay hi I'm Amanda mcclee I am the board uh chairperson of the Center for the Arts so um just want to thank all of you guys Commissioners and and mayor City staff for the consistent support at this
at the Center for the Arts um we haven't had a great Road the last few years but we are well on track so I wanted to come here today and thank you for your Support also to invite you all out to our art festival which will be March 8th and 9th in downtown leeburg so we have a
great event planned we have some live performances local and Regional artists that are coming and um activities for all ages so again thank you for your support and hope to see you downtown thank you thank you [Music]
I'm all right hello everybody nice to be here uh I do come once in a while to the historic preservation board so I sit in Allen's chair then uh mayor and Commissioners I'm here
today representing the leeburg heritage society and the museum so I'm just going to start off by uh just saying that you all as a commission you've done wonderful things in lesburg since you've
been on the commission I mean you look around and you see all these things and uh with Al's leadership you know you have the swimming comple complex the new center mition Center I mean I could go on and on but it's wonderful I don't
know where we had that we didn't have that kind of money I don't think when I was on the commission but anyway you've just been great and done a lot of things but I want you to think today about our history we do have a Heritage in lesburg
we've been here a long time we weren't just plopped down in the middle of the Earth to be a city we've grown through the years and it's important that we preserve that Heritage and have a nice
building to put it all in uh the where the museum is now was built as the lebur Woman's Club Way Way Back and uh it has been several things since it at some point it
became a city building before that I think it was Lasser Weare insurance and then the city and we paid the electric bills there and stuff before we had a lot of the other stuff and so it's been in the city for a long time and it needs
a lot of work and I got involved because I noticed that it needed work so I called up Al and I said Al it's time we spent some money on the on the museum and our history Our Heritage so he
listened very politely and and said to you know come and make a presentation so that's what I'm doing today there going to be a lot of other people that are speaking that are involved in the Heritage do you all have any questions of me if not we'll just go on to the to
the next people okay thank you nice to be here oh I have 28 seconds left we we didn't have that when I was up here we let people talk a long time
if they wanted to [Music] I think feel I feel like applaud anyway um I'm Jim Miller I'm with the Heritage Society um and I'm here to request that what she said so I'm going to hand these
out these are some plans that Daniel is our um contractor we've hired to put this together to do a a scope of work and and he's got some preliminary plans that he can show you tonight and then hope playing two weeks he'll be doing a full
presentation for you so I'll give him my time do I get three minutes awesome I'll take her 22 seconds too pretty sharp that was a good job if you would just state your name and address for the record oh yes thank you my name is Daniel Devan anzo and I live
at 1310 Crestview Drive monora uh so I'm a general contractor I um actually was trained formerly in architecture at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee I have been in Florida since 1987 uh I have redeveloped quite a number of buildings in the Lake County
area I did most of the Redevelopment for uh Beacon College also downtown mura I've done probably 35 buildings in Eustace I've done four buildings and City Hall in um Umatilla so what you have before you is you have a 5,000 squ
foot building mission style um the structure you've known it as the leeburg Heritage Museum um I've I've in inspected the structure is very well and solidly built uh it's approximately 5,000 square ft and to utilize it to its
best use it actually needs an elevator I've done seven elevators in Lake County um so what and one right here in lesburg so what we're looking at is uh on the building faces South and on the East Elevation there it's adjacent to a
parking lot and what we're proposing is to build a oh South El thank you thank you very much you got me you got me there that's correct and we're going to build about a th000 square foot the anticipated is twostory thousand squ foot uh structure
adjacent to it which will allow for a main entry off the parking lot as well as an elevator and a second stairgate staircase for a secondary means of eress um restrooms first floor and second floor uh ada8 compliant as well as additional and then on the second floor
there will be a basically a kitchen reserve station no no hood and no cooking uh the building will be completely the budget you see before you uh so the building will end up about 6,000 ft uh the budget you see before you is a complete uh Rehabilitation of
the exterior building the addition installing the elevator um I did I have actually quoted this out replacing all of the glass and doors stucking the exterior restoring the um original facad on 6th Street correct 6th Street uh to
its to its original um design as well as renovating the entire uh interior of the building that's new Plumbing Systems complete new electrical systems uh new hva systems um installation package and windows so uh this budget um I can tell
you is probably close of course I'm not necessarily your contractor because what I'm just doing is preparing you for a meeting so that if you decide to go forward I will guide them through the development process of the documents and
then of course it'll go out for bid uh and just so you know I've only lost one bid in 30 years in construction um and that was the city hall of Umatilla and when the contractor that got it fell down they hired me to finish the job so
uh anyway it's a fabulous structure you're going to end up Soup To Nuts a new building less than 200 bucks a foot uh those numbers might be tightened up once you have the documents and I do have an architect to relay his name is David Jazz I don't know if you've heard of him Jazz and ass assciates Adam monor
he's an excellent restoration architect and um of course you you may have to put that out for bid but that's all I got for today this little packet is just so show you some elevations there's a sketch in there of the drawing with the and uh an elevation because what we proposed to do is make the elevation
where the new entry is match or very similar to the other to the other entry and those windows were all there and then they built a drive-thru window thing there that will be torn down so I know I burned up her 22 seconds thank you
Daniels well gentlemen ladies and gentlemen uh uh my name is Frank Styer I'm a fifth generation leberg family um Vander Lee leberg is named after is my second great grand Uncle he had a sister and that would be my great
great grandmother but I have questions to ask of you City commissioners what happened in leeburg 68 years ago this week can anybody in
this room other than you tell me don't put me on this we celebrated leeburg Centennial a weeklong celebration to celebrate the history of
leberg that's why we need the this Museum refurbished did anybody know the answer to that other than you okay I have a second question okay Excuse Me Miss noes that's
not your name now but your maiden name okay a week from today March the 3 1845 can anybody tell me what happened that day I wasn't
around say the March the 3 1845 anybody know Florida became the 27th state of the United States of America that's why we need
history and we have history at the lesburg Heritage Museum and we want to pass it to our generations to Our Generations okay so I ask I know it's a heck of a lot of money it Mak my butt
pple to maybe I shouldn't said it that way to ask for that much money from the city of Leesburg but I think it will be money well spent as we go forward and prep saving
Leber's Heritage and I thank you for your time Mr [Music] stender good evening ladies and gentlemen my name is Roland Nunes uh
1928 County Road 25A proud leberg resident I am here on behalf of the Hispanics of Lake County Association which is a countywide nonprofit that provides that improves Community engagement through Workforce Development humanitarian Outreach and Multicultural awareness uh throughout the county over
the last three years we have provided a lot of opportunities for engagement through everything from breakfast to festivals and fairs through a survey that resulted in a 68 page Community report that provides demographics on our community within Lake County uh the
reason I am here today is while we have quarterly breakfast all throughout the county that where we rotate cities of course as a lebur resident I am especially excited whenever it is in lesburg um we will be having um our first leeburg breakfast next week on
March 4th uh at 8:00 a.m. at the lesburg resource center all of our breakfasts are themed on different areas that are important to the community the theme of this breakfast is entrepreneurship and Small Business Development where local small business uh owners will talk about their Journeys and their experiences to
provide inspiration to others as well as we will have the Lake County small Business Development Center for those who are interested in their own uh entrepreneurship Ventures so I would like to ask for your support by promoting this uh opportunity and if you are available attending yourselves as well as we want to be able to show our
leberg residents the you know the support that we have for them who want to join those entrepreneurial Journeys so it is a great opportunity um again March 4th in the leberg resource center you can find more info on our website haul.net that is hc. NE thank you all so much for your
continued support I know you've supported us a lot including with the Hispanic uh Heritage Month Proclamation back in September so we know everything you do for us and we really appreciated thank you so much thank you uh my name is dman nles I stay at 1081 Bradford Ridge I'm the coach at Leb
high school for boys and girls basketball just want to give a thank you out to the um mayor and commissioner for coming out and support us in a regional game our girls uh finished at the Finish lost in the regional finals and our boys made it to States and we are going to
States March the 5th 3 p.m. we play uh PVA and it's at Lakeland Center we want you guys to come out and support us thank you thank [Music] you good evening I'm Teresa Connor at 910 Georgia Avenue I'm also one of the
CRA Commissioners for Cava Heights area in Mount Clair and I just want to thank um the public works department for Saturday for our cleanup community and the mayor for coming out to assist us uh
with that we did have a great time there and we um I think we picked up about 7 and 1 12 tons was it ah no 5.92 tons so um and so what we're going to do
is plan another big one and just try to get more people involved I did have a presentation for you all and being that I did not get my little um thing in time for it to be checked I am going to uh just email it to all of you all and you
can view it then thank you so much hi my name is Alice Hoffman live in Plantation at lesburg and I was here in December when you all were discussing the fluoride flation of the water and had a vote on that and I I
want to I don't know what happened in between you know for you all but I want to commend you for bringing this back up because it looks like it's going to be under discussion again in a few minutes perhaps but I'm a health coach and a health
Advocate and uh just wanted to urge you again to resist putting fluoride in the water in lesburg it's um Studies have shown that it's a it's clearly a neurotoxin it is
toxic to our health especially to Children lowering the IQ and many other health implications in fact if you looked at the bags of the the fluoride that's put in uh in the water it's got a skull and
a crossbones on it so clearly that's not something that we want to be putting in our water and into our systems it's just not healthy and I'm glad that you're considering suspending your plants to fluoridate our water thank you
thank you for your time any other public comments hello again good evening uh my name is Nicole I reside in sento Florida I also wanted to say thank you for taking um a moment to bring up this topic again regarding fluoride I know everybody's over the
conversation but I am hoping that with it being brought up again this time that we can have a better resolution on potentially removing it and keeping it out of the water um our most vulnerable communities depend on this conversation and I know that there were some comments
made um by the city manager a few weeks ago and it went on public record that there were some concerns that people were bringing these to you guys needlessly and that regardless of the concerns of fluide it was being con seen as a conspiracy theory um even tying in
at the time that maybe this was occurring during um the time that RFK Jr was potentially going to be appointed um I cannot in good faith believe that anyone would want to think that it is a conspiracy theory to want want to have informed consent protected if you guys
remember I'm a registered nurse in this community and I take that very seriously um as this is a fundamental right to all of human beings um that are in the community of lesburg that in 2006 the national research Council deemed fluoride as a neurotoxin but it was a
federal court ruling last year that just confirmed this based on evidence that was presented to them during that time that fluoride is considered still a medical intervention prescribed by a physician that unregulated amounts of fluoride can cause fosis and that it's a toxo kinetic evidence has shown that
fluoride can pass through the brain during invitro analysis it's just really disappointing that despite all the overwhelming evidence based on literature federal and state guidance of Florida's potential of fluoride's potential harm that we are
here today because of potentially a business decision that it took a financial decision to remove the unreasonable risk to pregnant women and children from fluoride being put in the water I'm here respectfully I just want to make sure we stress the importance of
this we are um instead of airing on the side of caution months ago I can only assume that there was pressure by potentially some of our local dentists and others that were deciding factors that pushed medicating uh lebur communities with fluoride and why this
decision continued if fluoride was such an important need there could have been business decisions made to take that 600,000 and use it to find ways to make fluoride products more available to those who want it we keep showing up because these decisions continue to be made despite
federal and state guidance coming back and saying that it was a health hazard to continue leaving fluoride in the public water systems respectfully this committee's job is just to ensure that the community has access to Safe Drinking Water it is not our decision as
a panel to take away that right of informed consent please once again we are hoping that you will decide to do the right thing regardless of it being a health or financial decision to shut down any evid any efforts to move forward with adding fluoride to leesburg's drinking water thank you
thank you yes sir yes ma'am hi my name is Karen Motley I'm at 2445 fairing in drive into fairies Florida I'm also a registered nurse in the area and uh I know being with the the
FDA deeming the fluoride as a uh drug because it's a treatment being a nurse we come in contact with medications that many times are pulled off the market because they found that there are problems with the meds that it
causes problems for the community for those that take it so I feel like with the fluoride we do have new research studies coming available we do have the uh Federal ruling that was in September of
2024 that also said that the amounts of fluoride that some are putting in their water is causing neurotoxic and IQ problems there's also the fact that
you the more you drink of your water you don't excrete it all out so over years and years and years of consuming the fluoride it will accumulate in your body so I'm an older individual and I would really hope that
you would consider uh not moving forward with the fluoride in the water and uh I know that when it's in the water I know with the vaccine we were given the ability to opt out with a medical or religious exemption if we chose not to
take it but with this particular drug we're really don't have the capability to opt out without putting some kind of filtration system on your house or either having to you know filter the water period so I just would like for
you to consider uh not moving forward with it please thank you guess we're doing this now I thought maybe everybody would talk when you got to the the bullet the point but um Caroline van dyin 120 pound more
Boulevard um I've been up here before talking about it um and I just want to say I respect opinions on both sides I'm I'm not a scientist I'm not a doctor so I'm not here to to go on about the fluoride but what I'm ultimately here what it boils down to is freedom and the
freedom to choose what goes into our bodies and while the intentions of the program might have been uh the best of intentions it's ultimately up to us what we consume um I ask this commission to side on uh on the side of Freedom uh and
to allow uh us to choose whether or not we want to consume the fluoride naturally or from toothpaste um so uh thank you miss m thank you any other public comments seeing none public comments are
closed we're going to move to the consent agenda routine items are placed on the consent agenda to expedite the meeting if the commissioner staff wish to discuss any item the procedure is as follows one pull the items from the consent agenda two vote on the remaining items with a roll call vote three discuss each item
pulled and then votee by roll call are there any items the Commissioners would like to pull this evening I'd like to pull 5c4 I believe yes 5c4 any other items seeing none I do have one under the uh meeting minutes
it's uh under the um airport identification for the road it just changed environmental assessment to Experimental Aircraft Association so and that was it so we're pulling only 5c4 yeah so so
motion to approve all remaining items on consent agenda we have a motion second and we have a second any discussion any public comments sing done roll call commissioner conell yes commissioner bur yes yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes mayor rean yes
would someone please introduce 5c4 introduced as be read by title lley resolution of the city Commission of the city of leasburg Florida authorizing mayor and city clerk to execute a renewal lease agreement with the West leeburg Community Development Corporation for office space at the
lesburg resource center and providing an effective date motion to approve second second all right discussion from the Commissioners um yes I just had a question please for um city manager is
there a reason for just a three-year lease here we go with the leases again so part two I'm just concerned um the organization has been established since their 19 years what does every three years I mean is there a reason to renew
because of organization structure or I'm just commissioner again I don't have a good answer for you you know it's what we've done in the past I know that's not a great answer but typically we did the three-year leases with W CDC M so we can make we can put in whatever number you
like there is there I was going to ask is there any way we can modify just to do the at least 10 years you can stick 10 in there now if you would like to amend it so the staff doesn't have preference on lease issues there and I mean we've partnered with them for some
time so it's really the pleasure of the commission okay um May I can we discuss before we put a motion that's yep can I ask if anybody else has any objections as I've spoke before I just do not think the city needs to get in these long-term
leases oh 10 years is too long I think so I think three years is more than sufficient I me I think 10 years is extremely long for a lease well I just wanted to add for the notation of the West lebur
CDC building the resource building was the housing for the West leeburg CDC so for them to have to keep doing threeyear lease is question I mean it's I mean is it really necessary I'm just is it that big a deal for him to come back and ask for an extension to the lease I think
it's unnecessary because it's hard to kind of do longevity of planning if you have to come back every 3 years to determine okay this is our cut off time can we look at future and and as the commissioner it's hard to say well will
they be in this building or not before doing any future planning I read this and I thought about it and then based on our conversations before last just last month that's why I thought I would bring it up to just ask well I I understand I said I just have I just have concern
with us entering these long-term leases I I think three three to five year lease is is the longest we should ever go in the lease well are there any other comments from anyone else or just J and a i would support a [Music] tenure we built the building for them we
we customized it for them I've fully supported everything um but I I'm not crazy about 10e leases I me we're I know we're not going to pull the rug out from of the organization but I think the basis originally for three years was just to be sure at least in the early years that they there was there were some requirements with them you know
Community requirements and so forth so I mean I mean I might go to five going to support 10 but I you know five is not a big deal well I'm thinking about the stability um as I stated and the fact
that to continue to do it but um I'd like this still move forward I guess I don't have the vote though I just think I don't know J didn't give anything can I go ahead and put a motion
out then or what do we have public com comments I can't okay oh didn't know we're not a public comments yet can I go ahead and I'd like to move I'd like to make a motion to
request that the West Leesburg CDC um lease with the resource center be extended to a 10-year term um instead of a three-year term okay we have a motion on the floor do we have a
second seeing the motion fails all right so we're back to the original motion of 3 years any further discussion public comments Fred yes yes for for the record Fred Griffin Jr uh president of West lebur um I'm
glad commissioner Barry brought that up because I have um sat down with the board and they question me why do we have a short term when the resource center was built around West leberg to help the community and um just out of
curiosity why is it the three years and I Al did mentioned that he didn't really know um I think the longevity of which we have done before and which I know commissioner Canal say he's not a big fan of but um when you look around on the landscape of other organization it's
all you know 20 30 40 but the building was built for us and it's very difficult to operate and uh plan for the future with CRA when we have a short-term lease knowing that it was built for that purpose we don't have any intentions of going anywhere um but I think um being
in the office and see the everyday operation we have movement and would like to see more movement um within the building to help our residents to be more effective from everyday life thank you Mr Griffin any other public comments on this item so we have a motion and a
second for the three years any further discussion from the Commissioners seeing done roll call commissioner Bur yes commission Peterson yes commission Barry um yes because three years has to be the lease of contract agreement
correct it's see that's three or zero correct that's correct three years please commissioner canell yes mayor rean yes all right we're going to move to public hearings and non- routine items if our City attorney Mr Grant if you
would do the swearing and sir yes sir thank you Mr Mayor if anyone here is present tonight to speak on item 6 A4 which would be the lease School 2025 Spud rezoning if you would please stand and raise your right hand
so we can get you sworn in all right do you swear or affirm that all testimony you'll give tonight will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth all right thank you all Mr Mayor all set mayor would someone please introduce [Music]
684 I'll introduce s be R by title only an ordinance of the city of Leesburg Florida resoning approximately 4.87 plus minus Acres from Spud to Spud small plan unit development for property generally located west of Lee Street
north of hearnen Street East of Perkins Street and South of West Line Street as legally described in section 26 Township 19 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date
motion to approve second have a motion a second thank you Mr Mayor Dan Miller Planning and Zoning this is a request for rezoning of the old Lee school property of 5 Acres as our city clerk indicated bounded on the North by hearnen South on westline East on
Perkins Street and West of Lee Street request is for feuture development of a 102 unit multifam apartment complex um just a real brief history the school was abandoned as a school use sometime in the early 2000s no developers were found
in the mean time just Tire kickers but nothing serious so the property did sit vacant in 2015 the property was sold by the school board to an investor and in 2016 that investor under ordinance 16001 did rezone the property to allow for assisted living Independent Living
memory care and medical offices again we there were no developers found to be interested in the property so in 201 18 the property was sold and to another investor and in 2021 this investor under ordinance 2119 did reone to allow for 49 town
homes and 14 apartment units over the time period since 2021 again no developers were found to be interested in the property so in 2024 the historic preservation board did vote to allow the buildings to be demolished so essentially what we had was over 20
years of nothing happen on the property and in working with the city commission and Planning Commission um it was simply no way to end up saving the buildings and still have a positive economic use out of it so the request before you today is for an apartment complex to be
considered for the site um under the Pud requirements for this proposal it's 102 multif family units four floors which is seen in the attachments I do have to remind you that the Planning Commission did vote asking for three floors in
their motion uh no other uses were permitted in The Proposal there's a 50-ft setback from the roads the unit sizes are varied and they are planned for one and two bedrooms only is that correct still correct um parking will be
per city of leeburg code requirements there are design and Architectural standards which are shown in the exhibits dark sky lighting will be required 35% of the property will be in open space there's a 20 foot 25 foot buffer going around the entirety of the
property in Green Space a fence is required which to be rot iron or brick or stone columns uh B Bea or Bermuda grass no St Augustine because it uses a lot of water there'll be an access point on Lee Street and one on hearnen signage
will be decorative entry features of concrete brick or stucco with a maximum height I believe of 5T uh there's a recreational requirement of 10,000 sare ft to be devoted to a separate recreation area which could be a swimming pool playground dog parks Etc
uh there's also by way of uh requirement in the Pud uh monumentation memorializing the leas school which is required on the site and that is some examples of that samples of that are shown in the exhibits then there is our standard phasing clause which will
revert this property to re1 which is one acre per unit if substantial commencements does substantial commencement does not occur within 48 months uh Mr Michael ranking of the land Planning Group in Mount Dora is here to
represent the case and any questions Mr chairman Mr Mayor any questions for Dan from the commission one there was some verbage in there about revised conditions is there Chang with regard to original proposal yes sir the um the Pud
we're referring to is the current PUD which allows the 49 and that's the revision to what's current I just want to make sure yes sir any questions from the commission from the applicant seeing any public comments on these
items seeing none any last minute comments seeing none roll call uh no oh that's okay I it's being proposed for four story I I I think four story is too high for this area I I would I would agree with our Planning Commission I wouldn't I wouldn't go along with
anything more than th I think the four story in in the middle of this neighborhood is just is way too high I went up to Okala and drove the project they they did in Okala uh saw numerous four-story buildings um at that point you know to me that was the
solution I'm the one who said we put this developer through a lot I'm the one who we had a big debate on parking and I did make the comment yet I would support going for floors if they would you know just get the parking satisfactory and I'm excited about this project I appreciate the developers Pat through this whole process this is big for
downtown this is good for our city I'm excited I mean I I I do I mean I mean maybe Mike can answer this better but I believe they can do three story and still get the same amount of units they'll just eat up a little bit more the the open green space but I just think four story is way too way too high
for for this area for this neighborhood I mean it doesn't really change the number of units it's going to change the amount of open Green Space they would be left just make the footprint a little bigger the building yeah Dan I had a question uh when we
talked last time about this we had uh we were going to try to find some elevations because Lee school was kind of built up and then the first and second floor were taller floors than what a normal like what was what's the
difference in the four and what right the Lee school was kind of deceptive because it's only a two-story building but it functioned as a three floor because it was a basement down there and then you had to go up eight or 10 steps to get to the first floor right and it had high ceilings higher than much
higher than what's in this building we were in there several times so functionally the Lee School building was actually a three-story I should say visually it was a three-story building functionally it was two so the net
result of what you'll see would be one additional Story versus two additional so um and I wish we knew the height of that building I asked that question last time because from perception standpoint the prior School looked over three floors I I just where
you're going with this comment and we talked about it a bit last time if you took the standard floors in an office building um you would you would end up with three in the old Lee school but because it had such high ceilings and an elevated first floor that's why it only
had two I think you I think you hear what you know commissioner B and I are trying to say we're trying to say we're saying the net difference could be 6 or eight feet not your 10 12 15t I yes any other further discussion yeah I
I mean uh it is my opinion uh as we receive more people not wanting us to have urban sprawl that we have a ideal location to have units close to our
downtown and I think that uh you know having four stories there uh where we're going up instead of sprawling out is a good idea I mean I I I I mean I'm not opposed
to the development of the property I'm opposed to the overall height of the building I mean it's four-story building I mean it's plus or minus going to be at least 40 foot high I mean plus or minus when you figure for construction everything else you're going to have 10 10 foot per floor I mean you're talking
about 40 foot up in the air I think that's too high for the area and they can get the same amount of units out of three I personally would like to see more green space rather than the hike we got to park down the street yeah so any
other further discussion from the Commissioners seeing none roll call commission Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner conel no commissioner bur yes mayor rean yes
we have no first readings we'll move on to non- routines would someone please introduce 6A or 6 C1 I'll introduce has be read by title only resolution of the city Commission of the city of leeburg Florida suspending the fluoride injection system
to the water distribution system and providing an effective date motion to approve second second discussions city manager I will turn this over to you yeah um I don't know how much there is to say about this topic obviously we've
talked about it useum um I don't know about controversies or conspiracy theories um but I you know I I won't back off from at least my commentary that I do think there's political and financial factors that I bring this before you this
evening um that have at least changed my mind about the the project def fluoridating the water um and those are obviously a and Senate Bill 700 uh from Senator trunow um who's introduced a bill into this year's legislative session that requires no additives other
than disinfecting additives that go into the drinking water um obviously that bill has a long way to go um but in that regard I did reach out to our lobbyist uh Ryan Matthews um and um most people's
interpretation who follow legislation thinks at with any bill you know it's at a certain level but this bill Bill certainly does have a better than average chance of passing in its form um and then I think as well too on the federal level uh with the appointment of
Robert Kennedy Jr I think Health and Human Services is definitely going to have some different um Concepts about how we move forward with public health and I I think as a matter of timing while there's been no official state or federal directives to change uh public
water drinking uh formulas if you will uh probably with our luck by the time we get the project finished there there will be um so with that I would I would recommend and I did administratively stop the project last week uh to be able
to save as much as we could I updated the commission via an email I believe on Friday that uh updated the presentation that Cliff provided you and I'll cut to the chase it's about 225,000 uh finance that we Financial dollars
that we save there out of about a $600,000 project um and about $100,000 of equipment that we think we can use in different Fashions um so with that our recommendation is that you terminate the project commissioner
discussion we all know this has been a controversial issue subject um I uh you know I flipped my vote on it so why do I say only time I flip my vote in six years um but in light of and I don't regret my vote supporting it uh a year
ago but in light of the change in the political landscape uh I will not support it going forward and I will vote to terminate it I'd like to add that I originally had agreed to vote for um fluide as well um originally it was presented as for
children and the harm the harms the different things that could harm children but for my vote of being um focusing on the district in which I serve I was Focus I was thinking of most of the kids that do not have dental
plans and that fluoride in the water was something that was we had years ago and it was very I mean helpful no one had any problems in but based on all the information that has been presented now and with the votes that will be coming
through I definitely will have to agree um that we're being pretty much forced with the political Arena that that fluoride isn't good for you and it's not just children now it's adults and um
commissioner Connell I want to say thank you for your comments for bringing it up back in I think December's meeting that you bought light to this suggesting and I was still like well nothing proven yet nothing stated so I'm going to stick with it but now I have a change of heart
as well so I don't want to qualify my comments on political landscape I'm not getting into debating the science and different studies I'm referring to the change in Tallahassee and in DC I'm referencing that as well yeah any other commissioner
comments no need seeing none we will go to roll call commissioner Barry yes commission conell yes commissioner bur no commissioner Peterson yes mayor reesman
yes all right we're going to move to informational reports the following reports are provided to the Commission in accordance with the Charter and ordinances any questions on those tonight I have a couple let me get to it real quick uh again I see three working with
police department for I'm assuming Alcohol Services um I'm sure I'm not sure why we're still seeing this when we change that policy um and then also we have a person on there working with electric Department I'm assuming it was I don't want to say his name even though
it's public record he was an apprentice reimbursement that total has not changed in over a year so apparently they aren't working with the electric department and he owes us $2,500 so is there any legal action that we can go and go after these people who owe us
money yeah there certainly could be legal action to go after people that owe money to the city you know I'm happy to review whatever records there are for the situation evaluated and uh talk to the city manager about moving forward if
if it you know there there could be circumstances where well um you know it it every Situation's unique a little bit with um amount c a road and and the actions you want to take to pursue those
but I'm absolutely happy to review that and and there likely is action that we can take I just I see these things from way back when that says working with apparently they're not working with us if they still owe us thousands and thousands of dollars and I thought we as a commission changed our policy on
all people who need Al who have police for alcohol events are to pay that in advance so why are we still seeing well this it's cumulative report mayor but I I'll get you a better answer and then move and then why are we also choosing which events have police and which
events don't those are chosen for us so folks come in and you have a policy that's based on I think that what's the 100 people or something that require Chief you want to help me out here I think there's a so a people do
prepay okay B it's a cumulative list and C code requires that you have police protection or police force for if you have alcohol and a certain amount of people okay so remember remember that correctly I don't know that I don't recall specifically about a number of
people but I do know alcohol events do require an officer to be present there's a different detail rate for alcohol versus a standard detail so so we had two events over the weekend that had no officers so one more detail there we had two
events especially there those events were sponsored by the city or we are sponsors of those events or put on those events so why do we not have officers at those events is what I'm trying to get at but we require people who have other outset entities who have alcohol to have
officers is what I'm getting at so the there's a special event policy and a ventian Center policy so anything in the Venetian Center is in the is in um commission mandated that they have to have alcohol or have to have an officer there anything for special events it's written in the code that it's up to
police's discretion on which events that they have there so that is in the um the special events code chapter 26 is is the one about special events and then the the one at the venan center was just a a directive from the commission so there was an event at the
venan on Friday night that had no officer so I'm not sure why we're approving applications that don't have an officer on there that's where I'm getting at so I think it's are you talking about taste a leg taste to Lake and there's been other events that have not had an officer so if we're going to pick and
choose I think it needs to be all of them or none of them okay just my opinion we'll have an officer at the chamber yeah I give I give the police discretion on what group it is and so forth I um but if I rent the facility and I have alcohol commissioner I have
to have an officer there and I have to pay them so why do certain of if if an officer is required per the Venetian Center why are we picking and choosing and I'm not saying they you know they should we should they should charge we can eat the cost because it's a city sponsored event I'm just saying we
should have an officer at those events may I ask what events officer wasn't there other than the taste I mean whatever it was City sponsored events just certain city sponsored events I thought when you were in you had to have a policeman so so that's that's
so that's your issue with you're saying because it was City sponsored you still want police there yeah if we're SP well every other organizations required I'm not sure why we're we're sponsoring these events I was at that event I I didn't even think about it it's a non issue to me I mean I'm not worried about
it well then I think if we're not going to force it for everybody we need to change our policy I don't agree with that we had some trouble there for a while but this was a City Event if if the city event went bad we'll just we won't do it again you know that I respect your comments commissioner but
Ahad I guess we I guess I just like we tonight we've over overly complicated three different subjects uh two a sign and now we're talking about events at the Venetian we had we had an incident a year or so ago we had some trouble in the parking lot or something that was a rather large party I think in fact if I
remember all four venues were full that night so it was a chaotic night you know he had um but I mean I have nothing against the organ the organizations I just think if there's alcohol being served served they should have an officer there especially since it's a city
sponsored event I'd like to ask just to be clear the venician center when renting does not require are you saying it it's up to the police to decide if they have to go and alcohol has to be a part of it so what if there's no alcohol
I mean if there's no alcohol no officer required if there is alcohol an officer is required okay so what about the other buildings that we rent Resource Center is is their uh officer there I don't think those are allowed to have alcohol oh wait without alcohol I'm just saying
so alcohol is determining factor that a police has to be present so that that's one of the um triggers that set whether you're going to have a police officer there we also when the Venetian Center came together kind of put together the the best policy that we could to fit all
the nuances that were occurring then we kind of started leaning towards if it's an outside event that's not sponsored by the city because of liability reasons if it's sponsored by the city were covered there but if you're uh especially if it has alcohol and you're selling tickets to the general public um or charging
them to come in for a donation for a cup of alcohol because the state uses that as as whether or not you need a liquor license kind of thing so that's kind of where that started and then the Nuance came in well what if it's a charity event by the chamber or somebody and you
know it's a $25 ticket but so that's you know that's kind of where that came in so uh we'll certainly do review of that to kind of get best practices um what other cities are doing but it is a it's a nightmare to come up with an exact policy to say this is what we're going
to do what about the safety concerns of someone walking to and from their car um being robbed or someone standing at a car or a break in at a car I mean why does it have to pertain to alcohol versus just having you rent a building
you have a a policeman there for security you have a a janitor there for locking and closing and putting things back I mean that should be standard that we offer when someone comes to pay for a rental of city property I would think because I
think two things come into play on that commission one is um I mean we have there's restaurants and bars all around the city that have parking lots where they're not they're not having anyone there um but we have quite a few events there and with limited staff and police department side for now um having
somebody fill that every time for a 2hour detail or 4our detail can become a little little problematic um and so there's a couple of issues to look at there but like I said we'll go back and I'll work with the chief and and with Travis and uh try to look at some other
places that are it's the venti Center's a a very successful venue and so as it grows we're going to have to look into that so far I'm only aware of one event that was just you know got a little out of hand um and that was what you know had led to this change policy but other than that I'm not aware of any any
incidents at all we've had some events that got spicy okay okay all those were non- City events all and that's the difference all serving alcohol and ticket outside again we work we work look again we work at your direction this has been a policy that we've had
since the Venetian Center happened and it it chamber City event for Taste of lake so we didn't require that we have a police protection there if you want police protection at any event that has alcohol will do that I think it it
should take a motion to the commission to direct that an informal motion is fine but again there's a significant delineation between a city sponsored event and a private event that uses public facilities that come to liability uh frankly clientele that
participates in the event that that may need more policing than others frankly um so but if if we want to one standard so everybody follows the same rules I certainly understand that and at the end of the day you're basically increasing
our cost by a thousand bucks is I would say um maybe not that much perent I mean you see the old numbers on the chart there so it's not a it's not a big it's not a big number so if that's the commission's desire we'll see to it in the future have we ever had security ver
say this the policeman I mean someone who actually worked for the city as a security person to my recollection a city sponsored of a regardless of bike fest is a city sponsored event so that's that's another animal so let's just so let's talk about
the you know the typical City Event uh is you know a smaller event that's a couple hundred people that typically know we have not had police coverage there I'm thinking like when you ever you re rent a building Resource Center venician Center
teen center things like that where it would cause if there's alcoh yes okay if it's been a city event we have not required the police to be there at any of the facilities excluding bike fest um is this something that we could
Circle back and discuss because I too have I mean I'm just thinking that's when you bought this up I didn't know I mean I was at the chamber event I didn't feel threatened or anything but I walked to behind the baseball field to get to my car but I had someone to walk with me
but I'm just saying for safety reason if something were to happen and I would not want to have a situation where we wait until something happens and then we react let's be proactive for just saying because it's it's not safe all the time not just with alcohol and non-alcohol just people in general I just don't
think we should take chances and I know at the resource center in the back of the parking area it's very dark for when they have meetings walking around um people usually walk with a group to get to their car from leaving out and I've experienced that as well and I was like
M so I mean I'm listening to you but I had no idea I KN I had no problems at the event on Friday night but I did have to walk behind to the baseball field but I had someone to walk with me so I'm fine with the staff bringing us something in the future but I think it's something we should discuss I'd like to
I just want to clarify that I'm okay with the current policy and I would just i' just like to give the police more discretion your example I mean any group can hire police anytime they want for an event I just don't like all the all the mandating and all that uh I think the policies worked fine so is that would
would that be a fee that you would when when you will pay for renting you sign and pay for it yourself and it stated that if you need police there you pay okay and that's what started his comment he thought they were supposed to prepay it I think that's what started all this
so all right that was all I have for the financial reports um any City attorney items uh no sir nothing this evening Mr Mar thank you city manager items nothing roll call commissioner conell nothing commissioner
bur yeah one thing uh just in light of the vote tonight regarding fluide I'd like everyone to consider uh that uh once again our city rights to choose you know what we W to want to do
are being eroded by Tallahassee and we've talked about this in the past uh on different subjects and everyone to just think long and hard uh about what's going on that's
it commissioner Peterson nothing tonight commissioner Barry um yes I'd like to just remind everyone of the events that are coming up um the men of Distinction presents the black Heritage on um the black Tai Gale on February
28th at 700 p.m. and then we have Saturday March 1st there's parade I think that we are participating in as a group and then it's the um stopping the kickoff parade ends at Pine Street where they kick off the black Heritage
Festival and then we have the um Vmax production in which we are all participating in the modeling um at what aition Center at 700 p.m. and after that if I'm not mistaken it's a all night I
mean EXC not all night 8 to 12 um fight party that's open to public for everyone to come and watch the boxing match afterwards and I think that's um being presented by the rec department if I'm not mistaken so yeah okay so just a reminder to say please come out and
support a busy day busy weekend and I think that's it for me thank you mayor rean just one event the uh just a reminder of the lebur arts festival downtown and then lastly um commissioner uh with the county commissioner satini reached out to me and I reached out to
the city manager about this the boys basketball team is going to States and um he asked if the city would be willing to put up some money to help the team with lodging food and they would match those funds um I did reach out to the school it's a little over five grand for
all the expenses in airbnbs transportation and food and I wanted to see if the city commission would be willing to help uh cover some of those costs for the boys basketball team to go to state [Music] do you have an amount amount in your mind 2 200 and this County would also am
up to up to 2500 um pending final expenses but the county would match that as well from my understanding it it's really a Schoolboard expense but I would support it I'm excited about leberg uh in this uh trip to Lakeland I would support it do need a motion yeah and
I yeah and I think there was some matching in there too right so whatever I think the city used just got involved there potentially the county so I I think the concept was is if everybody kicks in then it you know we we'll match equally so it was up to 2500
bucks the city commission okay with that okay um think we've done that in the past before yeah I talked to the city manager he sent me a list we've done that in the pastl yeah we we we did the ban going to the Macy's day parade you know special things like
that with that um with that I am finished Motion to adjourn motion to adjourn so 643 thank you e e e
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