We are How's it feel to be back? So much money. [laughter] That's right. [laughter] call call the meeting to order. Uh this is the Greater Leburg CRA uh meeting. Uh today is Monday, January 26 uh 2026. If
you would please stand for the invocation and pledge. Heavenly Father, we thank you for your many blessings. We pray that you continue to bless this city and this community. Please guide and direct this commiss this commission as we work to work together to make our city better.
In your name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. So, the first uh business is approval of the minutes from September 22nd. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Second. >> Second. Any comments? >> Uh, roll call. >> Commissioner Reeseman? >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Ponder? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Sel? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bur? >> Yes. >> Chairperson Pro Tim Peterson? Yes. Uh would somebody please introduce 3A? I'll introduce 3A to be read by title only.
Resolution of the Greater Leburg Community Redevelopment Agency of the City of Leburg, Florida, authorizing the chairperson and secretary to execute a resolution approving fiscal year 2026 facade sign and landscape grant awards and providing an effective date. Move
>> for approval. >> Second. uh comments uh from the commission. >> Um is are we talking about the total amounts of the that we're going to approve tonight? >> Yeah, all of them. Unless you want to single one out. >> I did want a single one out. [laughter]
>> Yeah, I think I know which one it is. >> Yeah, I just want a single one out. >> Okay. >> I wanted to single out great Chicago Fire Brew one. Um I did inquire on it and uh they said that, you know, the reason they chose that was the landscaping part because the other may
not make such a impact to the downtown. Oh, sorry. That the other two may not make such an impact to the downtown. And I do understand that the black topping may not, but I do have pictures that I brought of the awnings. And I mean, the
awnings are just absolutely terrible and will make a huge impact if we make them because we did the front one and the other two. I I think the bid was 1,700. would they would come in and they would clean the awnings, redo them, redye them, and uh change the color back to the front, the original one.
>> Okay. Okay. No, thank you for your comments. Um I I did have a question just in regard to the number three, the military, fire, police support association. >> So, uh we're we're looking for a sign, exterior painting, landscaping, all
that. But I I mean did it close or I mean I >> the warehouse itself that own that did close but so the signage we probably they probably won't do but the building and landscaping and everything's still going to do. I mean the building's still
there. The building is still um >> so there's a there's a plan in place for somebody to go in that building. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. I mean Yeah. >> And you're the owner of the building. You're not a tenant. Okay. I thought you owned it. I just want to confirm.
Uh, any other comments? >> Comments from the public? >> Do we have a uh >> Somebody will not be voting maybe. >> Don't we kind of need to >> I can't vote. John should not vote. When when when
when the roll call comes, John just abstain. >> Okay. >> And then there's a form you got to fill out and Andy will get with you on that after the meeting. >> Are you are you questioning a quorum? Yeah. >> No, you have a quorum. >> I have a question. You have six of seven and you need four for approval. >> Yeah, we have.
>> So, you you have enough people. Okay. >> Good point. >> Yes. >> Um call. >> Okay. >> You were talking about the awnings and the shutters. So, what were you wanting to change the amount because of that? >> I wanted to change the amount. Yes. So the they had given us 500 which is about
half of the landscaping and it looks like all these are approximately awarding about half half the amount of the grant. So I believe the um the awnings were about 1,700. So if we went with how we've been doing it that would be great if we could get at least half
of that would be and add it to the 500. >> And looking at staff um it looked to me like the percentages were different. Maybe I'm wrong. >> And yours is one of the smaller. >> Yeah, mine are small. >> So, I'm not trying to make a big deal about it. [laughter] >> Dan Miller, Planning and Zoning. Um, we
went through the process and made the recommendations. Uh, in John, in this case, it was 50%. Was the recommendation. >> Okay. So, you're it's still 50%, but you're saying the amounts have changed. John, >> well, there was only 50. The only part
that they actually put in there was the landscaping which was 1,000. So they according to this the resolution it's 500. >> What was the total grant request Dan? >> 20 >> for Great Chicago. >> Yeah, it was about 8,000. I have it here.
>> 8,78,000 for landscape hardcape improvements 2,000 for awnings and >> it looks like a black top. >> Yeah, the black top repairs. But if we took that out, it was $2,000 for the awnings and having those reconditioned.
>> And our award recommendation was 500. >> What's 500? >> So you're asking for how much? >> I'm asking for >> a grand, thousand on top of that. >> 1,500, 1500. Yes, sir. >> We we took out what would not qualify is how we came up with the 50%. Um >> Okay.
>> 50% of what would qualify is how we >> Okay. Now, thank you for that clarification. That probably explains why the percentages are different on quite a few of them. >> Difference. >> Um, take it as a compliment. I didn't question you on that one. Dan, >> are you okay? >> Well, the on the question, does he
qualify for the his request or not? Dan, >> I believe it was everything but the black top qualifies. >> So, he he can receive the 1,500 bucks. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I need I need a motion to amend. >> Yes. I'll make a motion to amend the
great Chicago fire for an additional thousand dollars. >> Second >> comments commission comments public. If none roll call >> Commissioner Ponder approved. Yes.
>> Commissioner SAL. >> I have to abstain. >> Commissioner Bur. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Reeseman. >> Yes. >> Chairperson Pro Tim Peterson. Yes. Now I need u what we already we had a motion to approve on the original item I
believe. So I just need uh roll call on the original motion. >> Correct. >> Commissioner Bur. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Reese Smith. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Ponder. >> Yes. >> Commissioner abstain again. Yes I abstain. Yes.
>> Chairperson Pro Tim Peterson. >> Uh yes. Roll call. Excuse me, Al. >> There was a discussion item on there. >> Um, and we didn't list it. >> Okay. >> But we left it open. So, um, after, um,
our last city commission meeting and CRA meeting, both commissioners Ponder and Soal asked me if we could have an open discussion about budgetary and direction for fiscal year. I I'm going to say 27. you know, you take the discussion where you want um on on on starting plannings
for expenditures in the CRA with that the so that's why we left that open. But if you can give me 30 seconds, um I I think one of the difficult things with the the downtown CRA is that most of the
allocation is prescribed. it it's mandated um by the decree, the NAACP versus the city and the hospital decree. I think that dates back to 95. So that decree is still in effect. And essentially what that decree says, that decree caused the creation of the CRA
and then that decree said you have to pay 50% of the incremental revenue to the CDC. Um so that's the first bill you have to pay. So in rough numbers, we bring in about a million bucks in in the downtown CRA. Half a million of that
goes to the CDC pursuant to the federal decree. A 100,000 of that goes to the debt payment for the Main Street project. I don't know exactly, but that that but that's about to sunset. I think that we got a 10-year note. I want to say that sunsets
in 27 or 28. So fiscal year 27 or 29 because the so that one's about to sunset. So you're left with about a half a million about 400 grand every year. For fiscal year 26 you when we had these
discussions we we left that $400,000 unallocated. By the way I think the 400,000 really shuck out to about 300k for fiscal year 26 coupled with the 300k that you're sitting on. So, we didn't put in money for FSL grants. Okay.
>> Um, we, if you read closely in that packet, you used an an allocation from your reserve account. >> Um, so you're sitting on about 600 grand. >> Okay. >> So, you used about 90 of it this evening. So, now you're sitting on about half a mill. The purpose that you guys
wanted to to leave that cash there was for the parking project. That's what I thought. Okay. So, if we have a remember that project hasn't gone out to bid and so while I got you all here, let me digress while you go into discussions on the city commission meeting. The
commission is going to be considering a lease between or a use agreement rather is a better word for it between the city of Leburg and Lifstream. So, Lifstream is on the precipice of agreeing to allow us to use their parking lot. Their parking lot is roughly Sixth Street to
Fifth Street, Magnolia to the to the trail. Not quite that far, but about the back of the big oak trees. Okay, if if we're going to be more specific, we know where those >> about threequarters of the way to the trail. >> They are they are on the precipice of
allowing us to use that. Uh, so we build the parking lot, we maintain the parking lot, we accept liability, we have this deal in place for 30 years and we pay them $15,000 starting this year prior to April 1, which is kind of a that's kind of a
regeneration of Bikefest. So every year the city does pay live stream for the use of the parking lot during Bikefest. Now we're putting it in writing because we're asking for a larger use. So that so that's important for you guys to know because assuming the commission approves
that later this evening and then live stream signs off on it which we have all indication that we'll do we we'll be out to bid hopefully very shortly and then hopefully construction starts on the project in April Mayish you know sometime after Bikefest. So by the time
we meet for budget year 27 you'll kind of know some of the parameters of of what you have available. My guess is um and where I will recommend you all go is I suspect that that project is going to
be in the two maybe $3 million range and if it if if we need extra c and I can't remember what we have sitting right now. I think we got sitting in there right now about a million. >> No no 2.5 minus the >> 22 250 for design.
>> So we Okay. So we've got about two sitting in there. So, if that starts going over, we're going to I recommend that you use those monies. If it goes over more than that, what we have there, you know, then then I'm going to say go borrow the 27 money and you'll have the
timing to do that if you for the cash management if you understand where I'm so so if you need more than half a million bucks, >> you know, there's going to be a unless the legislature does anything crazy. We'll come back, we'll talk about that in June. So all those discussions will
so you so this fund may be tapped for this fiscal year which we know it is and next which is 27 because we've got to commit to pay the CDC we got to pay the debt and we've prioritized the parking
project. So you guys don't have much money to discuss. So I wanted to put that out there for your discussion. Um and that the big answer where this parking lot's going. We'll have that answer by June. We'll we'll know where the state legislature hopefully by June
has been with regard to taxes and CRAAS and hope will will have been out to bid and we'll know a project number. So some of the question marks that I've thrown at you will be solidified by summer. >> So I wanted to put that out there. >> So actually discussion we're not
necessarily asking for money. It's actually we just kind of want to talk about some things that when we went to the CRA that we wanted to bring to the board that I think that would make our positions a little bit easier. Do you want to talk to them? Do you want me to? >> Yeah, I think we could definitely tag team it. Um I'd like to definitely thank
the city for allowing us to go to the conference. >> Truly, we learned a lot there >> because it was very informational. There were people from um all over um that had some really innovative things that they're doing with the CRA to help improve their communities. And um I think that I I learned definitely a lot.
It sounds like John is saying that he as well did learn a lot. Um so I wasn't coming necessarily to ask for dollars today, but I do um you know want to say some of the takeaways that we took from our conference and some things that we think that could be beneficial for us in our city um and some possible uh ways
that we may be able to, you know, eliminate slum and blight and improve the community that we're a part of. >> So a couple things we have talked about. We'd like to hold a quarterly CRA meeting instead of just having them, you know, kind of milly. We'd like to have
them scheduled so that we know, hey, you know, I have this meeting on this day. Even if we really don't have anything to talk about, then we'll just say maybe we won't have it, but we'd like to have one scheduled on a regular basis. It can be quarterly just so it's on there. So when you know we're making our calendar,
we're not knowing four days before that we're going to have a CRA meeting. So if that's possible, that's one of the things we're definitely looking at. We would like people don't know who we are. So there is a there is a CRA web page and we had asked if maybe our names could be added to that page. I mean
these are simple things that we're noticed that the other departments we were talking to just so they know hey you know who handles that CR well that's that's you know Miss Samantha or myself and they can ask us questions you know >> a way that they can reach us something where they can have information that they can know how to reach us if there
are things happening in the community. if there are concerns, they can have a a very easy way to reach us other than, you know, happening to see me out or at church or wherever. >> That's important. >> There's we talked about possibly having a CRA boundary map on the website. The the website's kind of vague when it
comes to the CRA. >> The boundary map is there, but um I I think it can be a little tricky to navigate it, but it is it is there. >> It does. >> Um little more. you know, the east side is still part of the CRA. It's kind of
the we kind of overlook that. I don't know if there's any projects. I know that that the the downtown the CRA handles their section, but there's some stuff that they're not even touching that maybe we might want to look at down the line. We're not saying right away.
That's kind of your neck of the woods. Yes, that's something that, you know, I'm observing that there is a lot of the funding really is focused more on the downtown more so than the community area um and where people you know are living. And um I think that there definitely needs to be some, you know, more
attention placed on the community that's surrounding um the downtown area. I think I understand the idea of improving downtown, you know, and hopefully that it's bleeding into the community, but I don't know as a person who lives, you know, in the community surrounding if I'm really seeing that
like the bike fest activities aren't really brought down to the community end of the street. There are some businesses down there. There's people who own businesses down there, but the activities aren't brought, you know, that far. So, being able to focus um some of the attention and the dollars to
make sure that we're able to improve um all those areas with what we have. So I we can't um talk about necessarily funds that like um you were talking about um dollars being mandated to you know a different um group which does improvements but the dollars that we have that we are able to do something
with you know trying to ensure that we're doing it equitably to affect all areas within our reach. One thing that we had learned is, and I I'm I don't know if the city's doing it, is really breaking a project down to the
smallest denominator and going, "Okay, what grant can I use for this part of the project? What grant can I use for this part of the project?" And really start layering grants to really accomplish projects so that we can use more grant money than CRA money together. That was huge. And a lot of
departments were talking about CRA were talking about how they layer grants. look at each part of that project and how they is this water we'll get a grant for water is this park maybe we can get a grant for this and really breaking it down and using a lot of grant dollars another thing that was was brought up with the the brown fields right
>> absolutely >> that that's huge and a lot of you'd be surprised how many CRAAS are getting into that and those are project properties that maybe you know there's contamination maybe you don't know there's contamination and a lot of times maybe you don't want to touch that property yet there's a lot of um state
and federal dollars that that can come through. So, you can have private and city um you know, partnerships to look at properties that you're like, well, I don't know if we want to touch that because we don't know what we're getting ourselves into where those dollars will cover those, you know, and different
things. And even if even if you find out that it's a project you don't want to take to the next level, those dollars are still available. So, that might be a way to get some private people to look at some properties that maybe are just sitting there because nobody wants to touch it. One property that comes to
mind is the corner of um it just seems to always be there, the corner of uh 14th and Main Street [laughter] >> and it they uh I think it's clean now. It was being remedi remediated by the state. Um I I only know this um from my
real estate work. Um but they removed all the equipment. So that that tells me that the >> that it was that it was completed. I think after they complete their help me out. After they complete their work, there's like a one-year holding period where they continue to monitor the wells and then they'll get a >> no further action needed. So, I think
we're almost there. >> That can be with any project. It doesn't matter where it is, you know, that that that can be addressed. And that's just money that we can use instead of just all right, well, this is all the CRA money we have. This is all we got. You think it's when you spend it, it's gone. is maybe just looking at some other
options to partner with the CRA money to take those CRA dollars and maybe make them, you know, more useful and be [snorts] more powerful and be able to do more things with them, >> right? And they were talking a lot about using the funds that you do have available to create more funds to fund the CR to do more good to be able to do
more in the community. um talking about um even Katroli, you know, I don't really know, you know, what all chemicals they may have used in order to create, you know, the the product that they were creating, but you know, um is that something that could be looked at to try to draw in the right brier or
whether or not we want to do something different, you know, depending upon what our community needs, right, with that area. But all these things are um spaces where it's important for our community to look at and to try to use grants and incent and incentivize you know people
to come in and develop. >> At one time I think did we have a part-time CRA director? >> Uh yes >> I don't >> I don't want to be Mr. Negativity here and I don't want to squander you know positive input but these discussions you
guys know I've been here 13 years. Okay. And we've had these discussions agnosium. >> I didn't know that. >> And I know when folks go off to these conferences, they get bunches of ideas and see how other communities do stuff and oh, Leburg sucks because we're not doing it like West Palm Beach. [laughter]
>> I said it. Okay. So, I didn't put those words in your mouth. They came directly from mine, Mr. Soal. Okay. So, let me just bring some reality, okay, to to the conversation. There's some of the things that you guys mentioned tonight that we can certainly take care of that are super easy administrative and we'll
we'll have that fixed be you know before the end of the week. There's other things in here that are extremely difficult. >> The first thing that I would say and if I'm out of line m you know rein me in but but >> you're probably about to say what I'm thinking. >> But but in in my opinion there is no
side of Leburg that's received more investment than the east side of Canal. And and let me do that two ways. The aquatic facility was $6 million. That's a $6 million investment in Pine Street. >> All right. >> The street was $5 million. So that's an
11 million in the east side of Canal on the east side of this district. Some CRA money was used and DST money and there was a cumulative pot there that got those two projects done. So to say that the east side is not getting the city's attention, it's like taking your fingers
across the blackboard. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay. So I I there's always the need to do more. I don't think >> Did someone say that? >> I don't think anybody I don't think I think when we say that we need to do more, there's an aura of we've ignored.
So I'm just clarifying that the east side of Pine has not been ignored. The second thing, grants and we use grants all the time. And whenever we can get a grant and put our hands on it, we do it. Other communities like to brag
about our grants. We brag about our grants. I'll tell you, we've received over a million dollars in legislative projects over the last couple of years. We're tapping into grants whenever we can. >> Awesome. >> Brownfields. Brownfields are tricky and they're a fun buzzword to talk about at
conferences. The trick with brownfields is you need private sector participation. >> That's what we say private. >> So catroli specifically came up >> and the corn >> and I'm not and I'm not bad talking catroli. Catroli is a difficult partner.
Okay. Since catroli stopped juicing there have been numbers of companies who've reached out to the headquarters of Catroli with interest to purchase the property with interest to redevelopment the property or what have you. and Controli has not been sensitive to that.
Controli has done what they need to do to control that site. It hasn't hit a code enforcement issue. Um they're they're managing their site and they're not outgoing in terms of forming partnerships to redevelop that site
offline. I'll tell you why. I think it's inappropriate because it's a it's a it's a it's a non-factual opinion of mine as why I think they're not active in that. But there's been a number of major corporations and local corporations and lead that the Katroli site is on the top
of everybody's bulletin board. Um and and and whether catroli is eligible for brownfield or not, I don't know because I don't know the contamination. We have talked about brownfields about the the infamous Exxon corner lot. Again,
private sector development. So I can you can be rest assured that when we have talked with developers, when we have talked to private parties, we know the tools in the toolbox and and just to date on the brownfield issue, it hasn't germinated. Um brownfields are tricky in
that you need that private developer, you need that partnership and you need that private developer developer to bring in the dollars that's going to help with the remediation where they then can get the tax credits. that has not germinated to date and it's
not for lack of effort. >> We weren't we weren't trying to offend any. We were just trying to present what we had learned and you know that we had brought back. >> I'd like to thank Al for definitely sharing his experiences you know over the last 11 years. I think that that is you know very insightful and um I think I want to echo something that was said
at the meeting that um I was at the other time. I think that it would be beneficial if we did have more people um from our city to attend those conferences because I never heard anything like you know Leburg is bad or Leburg sucks or however you said it a little while ago. I didn't hear anything
of that nature. But I think that we do um you know learn from peers, right? And I think that there are things that are people are doing in places that even if it's not a perfect fit for us, still educating yourself on things that are out there and um seeing what other places do and being a part of those um
spaces are beneficial. So, you know, every city's different. There's nothing cookie cutter. We can't copy and paste, right? But we can definitely glean. So, I think that um that's the idea that, you know, conferences are great. Yes. And there are buzzwords that people like to throw around. Yes, this is true. Um,
and you know, we never want to be those people that say the cute colloquialisms and you know, think that they know a lot, but I think that there is a space for learning and there is a space for seeing what we can do to improve our community. So, with that being said, we did, you all did send us to a conference hopefully to learn something and bring
something back, right? We're not just there uh to, you know, walk around and breathe the fresh air by the sea, you know, we went there to learn something. So, we're coming back with some things that we learned, we picked up, and we're hoping that we can use some of those um things to help our community. So, yes,
definitely Pine Street is a is a space. Pine Street um lots of dollars invested there, the road, the aquatic center. I don't think that anyone said ignored. I think that you did say the air of that type of tone. I didn't hear it in the space. I think that what I'm hearing is
as a resident of that side, I am asking if we can continue to improve that area as well more, right? Not just the business part, but where the homes are. So, I'm talking about, you know, I'm over on East and Maine area, so I'm not
talking about necessarily Pine Street, although I'm grateful for the work that we've done there. It's beautiful. I take my children to that pool. We enjoy it, but there's still work to be done. Any other comments from the commission? Um,
I would just say uh the CRA, the good news is the CRA is working. It's working well. The fact we can pay half a million to the C CDC and and have a half million uh that's being used as it is. Um, personally, you know, the parking, we're so close on the parking. I think that was a good recommendation by city
manager to, you know, hold on to the funds till we get through this parking lot downtown, which has been, you know, very important to the downtown for years and years. And excited to wrap that up. Uh and we move after that project's completed, you know, we can talk about, you know, other other projects. But
those are my thoughts. Anything else? >> No, that was pretty much what we wanted to just get just talk about what we had learned there and just present it to the city. >> I don't think you finished our the list of the different takeaways. >> What did I miss? Go ahead. >> Um I think the last one I think was
really important confirming that our CRA follows the latest state CRA regulations. That was like I think the first class that we went to was like CRA 101's just making sure that whatever the you know every year the laws change and all that kind of stuff. So what do you know making sure that we're matching
with what the you know the laws are nowadays >> was a huge change what in 2019 >> stat I assure you staff is on top of that >> but good point good point if there's nothing okay >> the only the other thing I know we just talked about was I know at one time we
had a part-time CRA director and I know that would have to come out of CRA funds if there was but it was just something that a lot of many many many of the departments had or the many cities and had had CRA directors, at least part-time CRA directors,
>> and my reactions are probably much bigger. >> So, on that note, we did Ken Thomas was that part-time CRA director. Um, you know, we eliminated that position when Ken left. We kept the housing portion. Obviously, we we've kind of reassigned
the CRA stuff to to different interests essentially because we didn't want to spend the money on staff. Okay. And B, we had identified projects that were major. So we saw the money being spent on goals so that you know um the 27 budgets
coming up that there again will be you know who knows what CRAAS are going to look like after this legislative session you know so there [laughter] may be no CRAAS come October one. That was the talk and and and so it's not even really worth
talking about other than I mean the state legislature is peeling back the layers of the onions on CRAAS and property taxes this year. So everything is is is will >> maybe brand new >> property taxes that's going to affect CRAAS quite a bit.
>> Personally as your manager I don't see a need for staff right now. >> Okay. >> Um because in in pretty much all the the the CRAAS we do have a defined vision. Um, obviously it's not doing enough, but it's doing what it can. Um, but you
know, when the budget time comes around, you know, enough voices, you you guys will be involved in the in the budget process. So maybe that's something we want to look at for 27. >> We thank you for your guys' input and thank you for letting us give our input. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. No, thank you. Anything else? If nothing else, a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Start the city meeting in one minute. to call. >> Yes, sir. call the meeting to order. Uh, city
commission meeting, uh, today's date, Monday, January 26th. Uh, we had our invocation and pledge in the prior meeting, prior CRA meeting. U moving on, uh, proclamations, none, presentations, none. Public comments. At this time, the
public may bring matters to the attention of the city commission. Please note that issues raised during this time will not be discussed, but your comments will be referred to the appropriate staff or scheduled for consideration at a future city commission meeting. If you are speaking about an item that will be considered later in the meeting, your
comments will be heard during public hearings on that item. Each speaker is allocated three minutes, kindly here to this time limit to ensure equal opportunity for all participants. Uh if you when you come to the podium, please state uh as it says your name and address. Uh any public comments?
Okay. None. >> I got one here. >> Okay. Hello. Yeah, I'm uh uh Gary Baker, 1628 uh Karen Perkins Street, Villages, Florida, 34762. Um, I uh uh wanted to get some
information basically on the [clears throat] uh on the gas Leburg gas company situation. Um um with the with their contract um with the uh South Sutner gas company and I I've been kind
of a squeaky wheel. I talked to um uh Mr. Morgan of my district and also Don Wy. he's the uh he's over um he's he's in uh Sumpner County um uh county head county commissioner over there and they
suggested I I talk to uh Mr. Miner and then I talked to uh Mr. Austin, the the finance director was nice enough to to talk with me and um and he he sent me uh this this contract um for for gas and um and the folks have sort of uh over over
where I am in the villages have told have sort of got want me to come over and just make a statement on here and get information. Um the I looked over the contract and it's the contract is called the natural gas system construction purchase and sale agreement
p construction purchase and sale agreement and it's between the South Sutner Gas Company SSGC and the city of Leburg, Florida. And I noticed in the contract that the South Sutner Gas Company is managed by uh Kelsey Morse Manley and from one of the Morse
families who are the uh originators, the builders of the villages. So, they're the players in there for the SSG, uh, C, South Central Gas Company. Uh, and on the bottom of page nine of of this contract, um, number 10 says a payment of purchase plan.
And, um, it and it says there, the city shall calculate and pay the purchase price to SSGC on a monthly basis throughout the term. And, and then, uh, again, SSGC is South Central Gas Company. And then uh page
eight says for each residential customer served by by the city under this agreement in other words each villager customer I think under this agreement there will be a uh purchase price customer charge per month of 6.93. Um and there will also be a per therm
charge of 0.53988. Um and this contract was uh was made in uh uh 2018. It's like six years old. So my question is when will this purchase by the city of Leburg from the South Gas Company be completed because that's the
whole idea of the contract is the purchase and sale agreement. Um because it's all built now as far as far as I can see. Uh the uh where I am all the infrastructure those those big pipes that are usually colored bright colors those pipes are all in everything's running and it's all brand new equipment
nicely. So I'm just wondering when when that timeline when that the purchase and sale from SSG to the city is going to happen to the city of Leburg. So that's that's all I had to and I guess >> okay I I'll have our city manager follow
up with you. >> Yeah. Just just give me a timeline timeline. Huh? >> It's very ambiguous question because the contract is ambiguous in that regard. >> Yeah. I was afraid of Yeah. So is essentially with with I'm happy to talk to you offline. Um and I know I I don't
remember your name, but I I know you got transferred to Paul because I couldn't take your message. So Paul manages that contract for us. >> In short, the the the agreement with SSGC is that the city and the city of Leburg and SSGC partnered to build gas
services to the village's customers. the villages customers have a separate rate than the city than than what we call in that contract if you you've gone through it obviously so almost so you should know it so we separated village customers and native customers
so we have a two-tiered pricing system >> the the pricing structure is two-tiered because it required construction significant construction of infrastructure that the villages took on when when they built the infrastructure so the payment payment to the villages
which you're saying which is called a dedication is really a payment to the villages uh for and eventually transfer and ownership. So we own the system. Okay, we own the system because it's dedicated to us but we continually pay
the villages a share of the revenues to cover their cost in construction. >> Then we tied the rates to a different structure so that the the system would recover costs. >> Okay. So Leburg Village customers and native customers, they're just managed
differently and there are there is a different price structure, but it's rooted back into how that system was constructed. I go that to you agnosium at another time. Okay. Um if you give your again, I'll get your name from Paul. I'll reach out to you and I'm happy to sit down with you. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just was the title of
the contract is purchase and sale agreement. So just wondering the timeline when that's going to get going. That's our when completing. Okay. Thanks a lot. Any other public comments? If none, I'll move on to the consent agenda. Routine items are placed on the
consent agenda to expedite the meeting. If the commission staff wish to discuss any item, the procedure is as follows. Pull the item items from the consent agenda. Number vote on remaining items with one roll call vote and then discuss each pulled item and vote by roll call.
Are there any items the commission would like to pull for C4? Five. Which one? 5C4. You mean? >> Uh, yes. 5C4. Sorry. >> A, B, or C? >> All three. >> Say it again.
>> 5 C 4 A, B, and C. >> Oh, okay. Okay, I got you. Okay. >> Any other items? If none motion to approve remaining items on consent agenda. >> I'll make a motion to approve the remaining consent agenda. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. >> Commissioner Kell.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Bur? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Reeseman? >> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson? >> Yes. Someone please introduced introduce 5C4 A. I'll introduce 5C4 to be rabbi title only. Resolution of the city commission
of the city of Leburg, Florida, authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a leaser consent to subleasase agreement between the city of Leburg and Aristat, Inc. for a subleasase agreement between Aristat, Inc. and Javeir Mores and providing an effective date for
>> approval. Second comments from the commission. Let me ask one question. Do we want to read all three right now? >> Yeah, let's don't do them individually. >> Okay. Individually. Okay. I don't mean to let me let me tee it up for the commission. Read them individually. >> Let me let me tee it up for the
commission and then deal with A, B, and C. Um, so the airport is dealing with an expiring umbrella lease agreement um with Aerostat. This is one of probably the last remaining agreements that the city
has in place uh where the terms for the city aren't very good. Um uh we've spent the last decade going through the airport trying to get a a fair market price into our leases and airport leases agnosium and we've been very successful
at that and most of the leases now at the airport are market value for and I'm not talking about facilities just land prices somewhere in the 16 to 20 cents uh a square uh per year. Um this lease I think is still down there in the in the
seller like one or two cents. So it it it I I I think in total maybe we get $3,500 a year off the we [clears throat] don't even get that. Is is it lower than that? >> $10 a year. >> $10 a year. So it it's a it's a stinker
of a lease. It's set to automatically renew, I believe, for two fiveyear terms. So one five-year term and then a second five-year term. automatic renewals barring them being barring Aerostat being in default. So, as much
as you want to get rid of this lease, you really can't unless Aerostat is in default. I believe their term ends in March of this year. So, we're almost to the end of this term. As it happens, the
Aerostat lease is in default. The Aerostat lease is in default because Aerostat subleasases their facility to three different entities. That's 5C, 4, A, and B, and C. Um, so we have let
Aerostat know that they're in default because they didn't seek our approval to get subleasases. The umbrella lease allows them to get subleasases and the city commission cannot unreasonably
deny a sub lease. So just because Aerostat's got a great lease and they're making money off their subleasases, that's not reason for you to say no sub lease. There has to be a bonafide reason to reject a sub lease.
In this particular case, um, we think it's best to deal with the subleas leases. We as staff believes it's best to deal with the subleas leases before you deal with the main umbrella aerostat lease in about 90 days. Pursuant to, you know, pretty much
everything, somebody has the right to cure before you can take any type of action. So I would consider your consideration of these subleasases as a cure method.
You are now being asked to approve subleasases and if you approve these subleasases, you will cure the main aerostat lease. However, I think you you need to consider the subleasases before
you approve them. The sub lease that's 5C4A is a lease where there's no reason to deny a sub lease to that entity.
Sub lease 4B and subleasase 4 C, both of those entities who are trying to subleasase from Aerostat have leased directly with the city and they have been in default. >> Yeah. So therefore you have reason to
not approve a sub lease for B and C and your reasons for denying those subleasases would be they defaulted with us directly and that would give you reason not to default with them. So should you approve all of these sub
leases, the aerostat lease main lease will then be cured and then eligible for renewal come March or April. Should you decide not to approve one or all of these subleas leases, they will still be
in default, but we will notify them that they are in default and then they will have option to cure themselves before the subleasase or the not the subleas sorry Aerosat would then have opportunity to cure their problem of
subleasasing to come in compliance and presumably they may or may not do that. So I would ask you just to consider the sub lease options. Um we did not give a definitive staff recommendation on this. So I will change
that. Now um and the the reason that we didn't was there was just a lot of information uh going on. The airport advisory board did recommend 4 to one to approve all three subleasases. Um I was not at the meeting uh but did speak with
Tracy Dean about the the meeting. Um, and there was a lot of discussion before they reached that 4:1 uh, vote. Um, but my recommendation for you this evening is going to be to uh, approve subleasase 5C4A
and then I'll recommend to you to deny subleas 5C 4B and C because those entities have been in default with the city in the past. >> No, thank thank you, city manager. and and and so that's why I really think you
probably should read each ABC resolution separately so that you vote on each item differently can have a different vote count on each. >> Could you expand a little bit? You mentioned that Aerostat it 90 days something's coming to a head the term of
their lease expires >> but they go now into the renewals of their lease and the and the and the lease is automatic renewal. So, is Aerostat still a viable company just [laughter]
that works out of our airport or I mean >> Aerosterostat is a viable entity that is rightly leasing property from the city >> and then some fun someplace. >> Do you know who the principal was of that? Okay. >> Lewis. >> Yes. Okay. >> I thought that went away.
>> Yes. And no it it was transferred. His wife now manages aerostat. >> I can't speak to the company. I think the building transferred assets to the wife, >> but I think the company was bought out by another company. I'm not 100% sure on that. >> There's still a bonafideed lease. >> Yeah, there's still a lease.
>> The company that was operating in there still I think was sold, but the the entity that owns the building, I think, is still, as the city manager said, bonafideed. I'm their hanger neighbor. There's no activity at that hanger. And I don't I'll I'll refrain from saying
what I was going to say. Any other comments from the commission? >> Excuse me. >> We'll get we'll get we we'll get to public comments in a minute. You'll have a chance to speak. >> has to do with aeros. >> Okay. Yeah. Let let
just give me one minute. I'm gonna let you speak in a minute. You have to come to the podium. Give me just a minute. >> Is commission finished? Okay. Ma'am, just you can come forward. I need you to come to the podium and and give me your name and address. broken back.
My name is Mary Cochran. My address is 818 Palm Harbor Court, Leburg, Florida 34748. And I am the proprietor of Aerostat. And I It is not sold. The company is not sold.
A portion of the company which was a separate entity has been sold but Aerostat is still running as Aerostat. >> Thank you for that clarification. Um but I think the >> I mean at the end of the day you have a
bonafideed lease that's true and valid with Aerostat. They're in default right now because potentially they have three subleas leases that have not been approved by you and you are are responsible to review those sub leases and that's what you're doing. Um and so
you need to deal with the subleasases first. Of the three subleasases that you need to consider, two have been in default directly with the city and I would recommend to the commission not to approve subleasases for people or entities that have been in default with
the city. >> Excuse me, not to interrupt. Sorry, but I had no idea that those two were in default of the city. >> Understood. So let the commission let the commission act and if they choose not to approve these subleasases, we'll
be in touch with you. >> Okay. Well, I will take care of it so that there's nobody >> Well, so before you take care of it, you should hear how the commission acts. >> Yeah. And just and for clarification to the audience, uh we have been aggressive in every situation to get the airport
lease rates up to market rates. So this is not like one party's being singled out. It's been consistent across the board in an effort to get the airport properties leased at a fair market rate. >> And again, I think it's critical that this body understand that you can't make
it or shouldn't or as Fred Morrison would always say, you ought not to make a decision based on a bad lease. You have to make a decision based on the legal principles around that lease. Grant will tell you that. So, and everything I've just spewed to you this
evening has basically come from Grant. >> Yeah, I was just going to basically echo what Al had said. We we've talked about this and I think that his summary of everything was was pretty spot on with all of that. >> If there are no other comments from the
commission, uh, roll call on 5C4A. I >> think you got Did you read it? >> We did read a second. Yes. Thank you, >> Commissioner Bur. Yes. >> Commissioner Reeseman. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Connell. >> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson.
>> Yes. >> Would someone please introduce 5C4B? >> I'll introduce 5C4B to be read by title only. >> Resolution of the city commission of the city of Leburg, Florida, authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a lesser
consent to subleasase agreement between the city of Leburg and Aristat, Inc. for a subleasase agreement between Aristat, Inc. and David Chris Curry and providing an effective date >> for approval. Second comments from the commission.
>> If if none are any public comments? >> If none, roll call. >> Commissioner Reeseman, >> no. >> Commissioner Cono, >> no. >> Commissioner Bur, >> no. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson, >> no. >> Will someone please introduce 5C4C?
intro introduced to be by title only 5C4C. That's a tongue twister. >> Yeah. Resolution of the city commission of the city of Leburg, Florida, authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a lesser consent to subleasase agreement between the city of Leburg and
Aristat, Inc. for a sub lease agreement between Aristat, Inc. and Bryce Bach and providing an effective date. >> Move for approval. >> Second. >> Comments from the commission. Public comments. Roll call. >> Commissioner Connell,
>> no. >> Commissioner Bur, >> no. >> Commissioner Eastman, >> no. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson, >> no. >> Moving on to public hearings and non-routine items. We have no second readings. Uh, we do have a first reading. Would someone please introduce
6B1? I'll introduce as be read by title only. An ordinance of the city of Leburg, Florida, changing the zoning on approximately 2.98 plus minus acres from city of Leburg SPUD to SPUD small plan
unit development to allow for light industrial uses for a property generally located north of Castine Road and west of South Street, lying in section 28, Township 19 South, range 24 East, Lake County, Florida, and providing an effective date.
>> So, this item will lay over as it's a first reading. Um if if we're going to have discussion on it, Grant, do you want to swear people in? >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Uh if anybody here tonight is uh present to speak on item 6B1, the Petrolanda SPUD resoning. If
you would please stand, raise your right hand so we can swear you in. All right. Do you swear affirm that all testimony you'll give tonight will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> All right. Thank you. >> Go ahead. Thank you, Dan. >> Thank you, Commissioner. This is the
project uh called Petroland. It consists of reszoning only. It's on a site of 2.98 plus or minus undeveloped acres, mostly undeveloped acres. Uh generally located on the north side of of Castine Road and just um west of South Street. You can see the Citadel of Hope property
up there just north of this. Um the request is to change the zoning from small plan unit development to small plan unit development with revised conditions. Uh the request is for a future development consisting of warehouse and storage. Um
no department comments here. The Lake County Public Works just wanted them to get a commercial driveway permit which is standard comments and some additional right away. Um no public responses under the terms of the PUD agreement. It's what the uses they're proposing are
office warehouse distribution logics light logistics light manufacturing contractor and trades indoor storage technology services like computers. So we put enough in there that that hopefully they won't have to come back if they build and then need to sell later. Uh we did add design standards
for minimal uh excuse me screening for um mechanical equipment and of course the usual dark sky lighting 35% open space. There's a two-floor maximum. Uh if there are any roadway improvements required, the developer has to make those. That will come from Lake County.
Everything will be on city water and wastewater. And there's a four-year phasing uh requirement in there as you are familiar. >> Okay. Thank you, Dan. >> Thank you, sir. >> Uh Dan, could I ask you? >> Yes, sir. >> Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> What was the PUD before? >> Um I haven't looked at that in so long.
I believe it was residential. >> Okay. Okay. >> And I believe Jones is here to speak if you need any further questions. >> Good evening, Mayor, City Council, staff. Uh Brett Jones, 700 Almond Street. Uh first off, thanks to staff. I don't have anything to add beyond what
Mr. Miller said. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. >> Commissioners, I mean, I'm good. >> I think we're good. Thank you, Brett. >> Thank you. >> So, this item will lay over. Do we know have a date yet? >> February 23rd. >> February. So second reading will be
February 23rd. >> Not first reading. Okay. Moving on to non-rine items. We have none. Uh would someone please introduce 6D1? I'll introduce 6D1 to be by title only. >> Resolution of the US Highway 44127
community redevelopment agency of the city of Leburg, Florida. Authorizing the chairperson and secretary to execute a resolution approving fiscal year 2026 facade sign and landscape grant awards and providing an effective date. >> Motion to approve.
>> Move for approval. >> Second comments if any from the commission. >> I just want to say thank you to staff. I know this was part of a big push and I did appreciate Miss Diane and all your hard work on this. Any other comments? U if none any public
comments? Okay. None. Roll call. >> Commissioner Burray. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Eastman. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Connell. >> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson. >> Yes. Informational reports. We have none. City attorney items.
>> Briefly on Wednesday morning, we've got our motion to dismiss hearing in the shuffleboard case. So, we'll see how that goes and I'll let everybody know how that shakes out afterwards. Again, just uh very quickly, the most likely outcomes would either be they get an
opportunity to file an amended complaint, maybe 20 days to do that, um or we are asked to file an answer in response to their petition. So, that's most likely what will happen uh after that hearing. And like I said, I'll let everybody know how that comes out after
it's over. And what's the date of that hearing? You said >> Wednesday morning. >> This Wednesday. Okay. Thank you. >> I think it's maybe 9 or 10. I I don't remember offh hand. >> Uh but it is in the morning. So we'll have that wrapped up and like I said, I'll I'll update everybody afterwards. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> City manager items. >> None. >> None. Roll call. >> Commissioner Reeseman. >> Couple things. Uh we won't have a commission meeting before it. So I wanted to let everyone know on February 7th at the airport, Tracy's doing a great job. We're going to have the third annual food truck flyin with a whole bunch of food trucks and a lot of
aircraft out there. And then also over the weekend we did our first um the community garden took off. We had a ton of volunteers out there and that's taken off. And also the business planter program is well underway. So just want to say thank you guys for your support on that. That's it. >> Commissioner Con? >> Nothing [clears throat] tonight.
>> Commissioner Burray, >> nothing tonight. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peterson, >> nothing tonight. Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. >> Second.