We'll go ahead and call the Monday, September 8th commission meeting to order. If you would please stand for the invocation and pledge. Dear heavenly father, we come to you this evening. We ask that you give us wisdom to make the best decisions for the city of Leburg in your precious name. Amen.
Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Proclamations, we have none.
Presentations, we have their certificates of recognition to the members of the new age runners. I would like to if they would like to go ahead and come in, we can have them come in while I read this and then I'll give them their certificates. Are the new age runners out there?
Hello. They're coming. Okay. While they're coming, I'll read this into the record. The New Age Runners were founded in 2024 by Alante Richardson. The organization is dedicated to inspiring and developing young athletes through track and field while building building discipline, confidence, and a lifelong love of
fitness. Alante grew up in Leburg, ran track at Leburg High School, and went to comp compete at Bethun Cookman University. Today, he uses his passion, experience to mentor and train the next generation of athletes. The team currently has 15 members, ages 5 to 14,
and they train at Leburg High School in Ski Beach. They are coached by Alante Richardson, Doug Our, and Shawn Robertson. In June, the team competed at the AAOU track and field region 9 qualifier in Winter Garden. At that meet, six athletes qualified for the AAOU Junior Olympic Games that were held
in August in Houston, Texas. Those athletes are David Dawson, fifth place 1500 meter run. Mattie Orur, fourth place 400 meter and fourth place 200 meter. Khalib Kaiser, fourth place 200 meter. Jane J. Janla Davis, second place
shot putt. Lyric Robertson, second place, turbo javelin. and Reagan Bullard, second place, long jump. If I could get those young individuals, I have some certificates for you and then we can get a group photo with you guys.
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[Applause] Okay. [Music] Next, we'll move to the employee service award recognitions. Miss Melissa, our HR director. Great. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. It's always a pleasure to have being here with you all to
recognize these milestones along with family and friends joining us today. So, we'll get started with um recognizing our first five-year uh award. It'll be for Miss Alyssa Isaxson. She started in customer service and she recently moved to the building
department. She serves as a permit specialist one. So, congratulations [Applause] Congrats. Next, we're moving on to our tenure awards. We'd like to recognize our risk
manager, Miss Lisa Earl. She started at the library over 10 years ago and moved on to finance and now she serves as our risk manager. [Applause] Next, we'd like to recognize Kimberly
Miller Bryant. Hey, Kimberly. She started as a dispatcher one and recently has promoted to a lead position as dispatcher three in the police department. Congratulations. [Applause]
Congratulations, Kimberly. [Applause] Next, we'd like to recognize a warm and inviting face that we see day in and day out sitting at the front desk of City Hall, Miss Deborah Vines. 10 years as our customer service specialist.
Congratulations. Next, we're moving on to 25 years of service. Our our first 25 year is our gas director, Corey Gophert. He started his career in the gas department and here he is 25 years later. [Applause]
Congratulations. Look that way. There you go. Congrats, Corey. Next 25-year award is for our IT network manager, Mr. David Wilson, who also started his career with the city in IT and recently just became our IT network
manager. Congratulations everyone. Thank you very much. Thank you, Miss Melissa. Thank you to all of our city staff. They make us look good and they are the backbone of what this city is. So, thank you so much. Thank you. Next, we'll move to public comments. This section is reserved for members of
the public to bring up matters of concern or opportunities of praise. Please note that issues raised during this time will not be discussed in detail during the current meeting. They will either be referred to the appropriate staff or scheduled for consideration at a future city commission meeting. Each speaker is allocated three minutes to provide their
comments. kindly adhere to this time limit to ensure equal opportunity for all participants and to support the efficient conduct of the meeting. Thank you. Are there any public comments for anything that's not on the agenda tonight? Seeing none, we'll close public comments and we'll move to the consent agenda.
Routine items are placed on the consent agenda to expedite the meeting. If commission or staff wish to discuss any item, the procedure is as follows. One, pull the items from the consent agenda. Two, vote on the remaining items with one roll call vote. Three, discuss each item pulled and vote by roll call. Are
there any items the commission would like to pull? I I personally would like to pull 5B9. Any other items? Okay. Can I
[Applause] Excuse me. That's the one. That's the one. Okay. No other items being pulled. Can I get a motion to approve the remaining consent agenda? So moved. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Any public comments on those items?
Seeing none, roll call. Commissioner Conell. Yes. Commissioner Bur? Yes. Commissioner Peterson? Yes. Commissioner Barry? Yes. Mayor Reese? Yes. Would someone please introduce 5B9? I'll introduce to be read by title only, please. Resolution
of the city commission of the city of Leburg, Florida, authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a profession services real estate broker services agreement with the three top rank firms, the urban group, NI Realvest and Realy
Capital Advisors and providing an effective date for approve. Second. We have a motion and a second discussion. Um, I would pulled this item and I know the other people wanted to pull it too. So, my my couple concerns are while I respect the process. Um, I
have a little bit of an issue that the three firms that were the top are nowhere near us. One's in Fort Lauderdale and two are in Orlando. And I think there's a there's a I think having a local firm do it would is the best interest of the city. They know our area. They know the people that want to
rent in our area. So, those are my two biggest things. Um while I respect the process, I I wouldn't support this um this agenda item tonight. So that's all I had. My my question was um who was the
evaluation committee? I was uh from Candy Miller from Candy Miller. Ah she might be that's her work name. Uh Candy Harper, Tracy Dean,
and who was I didn't and Dan the third. Okay. And then my next question is it would be all the surplus lots of the city of Leburg or it would be anytime we need a real estate professional. We would go to that list and that list only. No one else could
come through. Correct. And my question would be next question is that would be to control the so many people coming in and out or there the expertise in which you're lining up to do the role. The request for the proposal was from a
commissioner. So I saw to it that we got that executed. Mhm. I So, how does this work with the surplus lots and that we have available? If you needed a real estate
professional, that's who to sell or buy. Then you would need to use the ones that you would appoint from this list. You don't necessarily need a real estate professional for the surplus inventory. Okay? Depending reason I'm asking because
depending on how you dispose it. That's what I'm asking. If you dispose it with the services of a real estate agent, then yeah, you would need to use this process. If you don't adopt this resolution, my assumption would be we go back to the the current method and we prick the real estate
professional that we think will best serve us for that purpose. And the current method was what how is it being done now? Just anyone would come up with the highest bid or the No, we didn't have a current method. We've typically used uh Grisard Realy uh
because of their expertise in commercial real estate in and around these parts. Most of the transactions we do, we don't use a real estate agent. We have from time to time. Uh so let me give you some clear examples. When have we not used a
real estate agent? Pretty much on everything. Um, and the biggest thing that we did, for example, would would be the the the Leburg sale back in the Leburg sale, the villages sale back in 17 when we sold the villages at that time was 1500 acres. Uh, we did not use
a real estate professional on that. We got appraisals and most of the time we really don't need a real estate professional because from our position we're typically selling not often but we're typically buying um when we when we would
potentially need and when we buy we have very clear needs you know we've have an established budget we have we know what parcel we want so we don't need to scour the market um and then when it comes to the contractual portions. Uh we have our
attorneys um and and typically the attorneys are pretty well verssed in real estate law. So they so most of the time we really haven't needed that. So the villages sale is a good example. The surplus lot sales are good examples. From time to time we have used the real
estate services and where we have used real estate services we've used and we've used the commercial side and we've used it uh for sale of parcels. probably the most recently was, don't hold me to it, the seven to nine plus or minus acres uh of the airport property
that we sold to Blue Rock. We did use a real estate agent there. Um from time to time, the airport will use uh an agent when we're trying to market property for rental. Um so, you know, I'm not going to say we never, but typically when it does come
to these, we don't. And typically when we have we've used Grisard because of their expertise in the in the area. Um that's been the process. Um is there a certain um acreage that would be looked at? I mean is it like a
minimum or maximum to say the high? So they can sell from anything to two acres, one acre to 200 acres. We've again we we you know size doesn't really matter in terms of when we would or wouldn't need a
professional. It really comes down to probably probably more the sales because the sales side is when we need to tap into those agents expertise in the field and that's kind of the the grisard side you know uh the grisard side knows us
extremely well and they know the commercial market extremely well. And so I I think you got a pretty good deal, a little bit better than market and your and your and and the work that that agent did showed you multiple offer
situations. So um I I I don't think it's a you know if we want to move forward with the policy that's fine. We recommended for it. If you want to move away from the policy that's fine too. Um and we'll continue SOP is
unless directed otherwise by the majority of the commission. Is it a contractual time frame or indefinite or just whatever? Because I tell did did we put it was a term there. Do you remember what the the term of that was for? Um it's typically three years. So 36 months. Yeah.
And then when it said as needed I just wasn't clear. Meaning Yeah. You don't I wouldn't spec I would not recommend to go outside as needed. I mean it's it's as needed. Mhm. Yeah. And the airport parcel is a little bit unique as well because there's some
FAA regulations and it's a little bit trickier, I think, probably to find uh a buyer under that situation than than a lot of other parcels that the city deals with. So, that one, you know, again, was one example. It was a little bit tricky. We had to develop some covenants to put
some restrictions on the property and there were a lot of things you couldn't do on that land. So, I think that one, you know, is probably a good example of where you would typically use a realtor when you've got a challenging parcel with some heavy restrictions and government regulations on it.
I am a commercial realtor. In my day job, I I do sales and leasing. I work for Grisard, but uh I have no involvement in uh any of the city business uh due to being on the city commission. Um but I agree with Reeseman's comments. There is value in in local. You know, I help me out. I
think Tetro got us more than list price on the airport if I'm not mistaken. I think it's about 200 grand. Okay. So, 200,000 above list price. It's hard to criticize him on that one. Um, but I I I don't think we're going to use them that much. Um, you know, but, uh, I
would prefer to keep it local. Uh, and and I don't see us need any help on the lots. We I don't I've been on the commission six and a half years. I've never seen us use a realtor on the lots you're referring to. in the CRA. I'm talking in general, not just in district. I'm just talking in Leburg lot. That's how it's referred to. Okay.
I I'm I'm open. I mean, I don't have any My question is I don't have any grief or questions of the decisions that was made. I was just trying to understand how it was determined and if it is to for three years, then do we go back again and open again or do we
extend them? I mean, renewal or cancel. I think that's how the contracts. That's what I thought. Okay. So, that you know, those are my comments. I I I'll just say in summary, I think there's value using local people. How many times have we used realtor services,
you know, since I've been on the commission? I can only think of the airport. I guess in my 12 years, I can think of one other time when we bought that site for the electric company for um Yes. for a substation. Those only I've been
on the commission six and a half years. Those are the only two I can think of. Actually, I don't think we I think that was a a a buyer broker. I don't think we I don't think we used it in that case. So, I know of one the airport. Yeah. And and that for the for the audience benefit, that was a $2.5
million property or or plus. Yeah. And it was a complex property. I think it was half a mill. I think we bought that property for half a mill. Okay. I think it was two acres for half a mill for the substation. Yeah. But don't quote me. Look, I mean, I I I got a couple things.
I mean, I I understand the local vendor thing, but you've got all kind of other vendors on here tonight that none of them are local. We we put things out for bid to give us the best bang for our buck. That's why we put things out for bid. I trust staff's recommendation that
these are the top three firms that actually bid this thing. I didn't even see was already been on the list. Um, so I I think you know we have we use vendors from all over the state. Like I said, there's probably two or three tonight on engineering firms that are
not local, but they gave us the best options for what we were looking for. So I think we trust the bid process, we trust our staff, and we go along with their recommendation on this. It's not just um we'll just pick up the phone and call whoever on this particular one and
u take take a guess that they're going to give us the best deal for what we want them to do. I mean these people have bid it. They've went through the process. Staff has recommend them and I think we we go with them. I mean we do with any other projects you're going to do it with three other ones. In fact
already did them. I believe there was other ones on the consent agenda tonight. You just approved engineering firms that weren't local. So, I don't know why this one was pulled out of the bunch of firms we were in contract with just because it's real estate. Well, my concern again, I'll state I'm
open to opening opportunities for others to come in. I like the variety and what others might be able to expose. I trust the staff. I'm not questioning them. I just wanted to understand the process. I wasn't aware. I said staff recommended three. We've optioned a three. I I think you know
like I said you've already proved other engineering firms tonight already in the consent that weren't local. So I I don't think you can say well we we're not going with any of these street cuz they're not local. You just proved a hand of engineering. I I understand that. I I'm just making a point of what some of the comments I've heard. Not not
necessarily you. Okay. I just want to make sure that um um we keep our all options open and like I said I do trust the staff and I know that their recommendations would be in our best interest of the city but I also
want to make sure that we're not holding to just this one area and not you know being open but I'm good with my answers. Thank you for clearing clarification. Any other commission comments? My only comment is it just seems we've
used in in my five years one time and this seems like we're making making rules about who can do this for us uh for something we've done once and uh I I would just prefer it to be a local thing. It's just a policy that's being put in
place if we need them. The policies in place and who has Yeah, but they're from Fort Lauderdale and Orlando. Well, you just approved engineering firms from all over the state, too. And evaluating a piece of property across the street is two different things. I don't see it that way. Is engineering. I mean, you think you're going to get
better engineering locally here than somewhere from out of out of the the county? I mean, they're all these are all professionals, Jimmy. I mean, they're not they're not fly by night companies. I mean, you you need a policy in place on who we're going to use and not just flipping the coin or who we who
we're calling today. I mean the the apparently these firms met the criteria the staff put together and these are the top three firms that bid it. Any other commission comments? All right. Any public comments on this item? Seeing none, we'll close public
comments. If there's no further commission comments, we'll go to roll call on 5B9. Commissioner Bur? No. Commissioner Peterson? No. Commissioner Barry? No. Commissioner Ko. Yes. Mayor Smith.
No. Macy. Move into six public hearings. Non-reentine items. During public hearings and non-reaching items, the commission will request that those in attendance respect the process and maintain order. As such, in accordance with Robert's rules of order, please refrain from speaking out, cheering, or applauding during these proceedings.
Your cooperation helps ensure a fair and respectful hearing. And I would ask that our attorney, if would swear in anyone who would be speaking this evening. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If anyone here is present tonight to speak on item 6B3, which is the SPUD
Royal Highlands Reszoning, if you would please stand and raise your right hand so you can be sworn in. [Music] Look at you all. You guys would rem come remain quiet so the city attorney can talk. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. Uh do you do you all swear or affirm that all testimony you give tonight will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? All right. Thank you all. All right, Mr. Mayor. All set. Would someone please introduce 6A1?
Has to be read by title only, please. Can the audience remain quiet, please? Thank you. An ordinance of the city of Leburg, Florida, amending chapter 17, pensions and retirement, article 4, police officers retirement fund of the code of
Ordinances of the city of Leburg, by amending section six, benefit amounts and eligibility, and section 28, deferred retirement option plan, providing for codification, providing for severability of provisions, repealing all ordinances in conflict
herewith, and providing an effective date. Motion to approve. We have a motion and a second. Any commission discussion? Seeing none, any public comments on this item? Seeing none, roll call. Commissioner Peterson,
yes. Commissioner Barry, yes. Commissioner Conell, yes. Commissioner Bur, yes. Mayor Reeseman, yes. Would someone please introduce 62? I'll introduce. As be read by title only. Thank you. An ordinance of the city of Leburg, Florida, amending chapter 17,
pensions and retirement, article 3, municipal firefighters pension of the code of Ordinances of the city of Leburg, by amending section 1.1, definitions, section 1.3, participants contribution account. Section 2.2,
normal retirement and retirement income. providing for inclusion in the city codes ordinances providing for severability repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith and providing for an effective date. Motion to approve. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any
commission discussion? I just want the audience to know we had two workshops on this and a first reading. Correct. Probably more than that. Okay. I just wanted I just want I mean we're just going through it fast. I want them to know we spent some time on this is my point.
Yeah. So, and just for the audience, these are both ordinances obviously amending the pension funds for negotiated benefits that we did during the collective bargaining process and the budget process. So, the first one uh that you just passed was for some police officer modifications and this one is
for firefighter modifications. They were sailing right through. I wanted the audience to know this is the fourth fourth time we have looked at this. Thank you. Any other commission comments? Any public comments? Seeing none. Roll call. Commissioner Barry, yes. Commissioner Connell,
yes. Commissioner Bur, yes. Commissioner Peterson, yes. Mayor Reese, yes. Moving along to first reading of ordinances. Would someone please introduce 6B 1 2 and three to be read by title only? Introduced as be read by title only. Thank you.
6B1, an ordinance of the city of Leburg, Florida, annexing certain real property consisting of approximately 7.53 plus minus acres being generally located west of US Highway 27 and south of Florida Turnpike lying in section 18, Township
21 South, range 25 East, Lake County, Florida. provided that said property so annex shall be liable for its proportionate share of the existing and future indebtedness of said city. Providing that such annex property shall be subject to all laws and ordinances of said city as if all such territory had
been a part of the city of Leburg at the time of passage and approval of said laws and ordinances provided that such annex territory shall be placed in city commission district 3 and providing an effective date. 6B2, an ordinance amending the future land
use map of the comprehensive plan of the city of Leburg, changing the future land use map designation of certain property containing 7.53 plus minus acres from Lake County urban low density to city of Leburg low density residential for
property generally located west of US highway 27 and south of Florida turnpike lying in section 18 township 21 south range 25 east lake County, Florida, and providing an effective date 6B3, an ordinance of the city of Leburg,
Florida, changing the zoning on approximately 7.53 plus minus acres from Lake County PUB planned unit development to city of Leburg Spud small planned unit development to allow for a town home community for property generally
located west of US Highway 27 and south of the Florida Turnpike, lying section 18, Township 21 South, range 25 East Lake County, Florida and providing an effective date. Thank you, Andy. These are first readings.
Mr. Miller. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Dan Miller, planning and zoning. This is the Royal Highlands Annexation smallcale comp plan and small PUD project. Um, it's it's 7.53 plus or minus undeveloped acres. The general location, of course, is
there on the west side of US Highway 27. It's south of uh Royal Highlands Avenue and the Florida Turnpike. The request is for the future development of 48 town home units, single family residential attached as it's noted, and the
associated amenities. Again, at 7.5 acres, the comp plan is requesting the future land use amendment from Lake County urban low density to city of Leburg low density. And the zoning is currently PUD and Lake County. and they
are requesting a zoning of small PUD in the city of Leburg. Under the proposed PUD requirements, the proposal will consist of again the 48 single family attached town home units. And just for clarification, a town home is where you purchase the constructed unit and the
land beneath the unit. So, their town homes are not condominiums or apartments. There are no commercial uses permitted under this proposal, and I have some information about that I'd like to talk about in a moment. The lots for these town houses would be the standard 20 foot width, minimum living
area, 1100 square f feet, two floors as the maximum height, minimum two off streetet parking spaces for each unit. The project proposal also includes design and architectural standards as shown in the PUB wording and exhibits
along with the minimum of 35% of the the property must be an open space. We'll have dark sky lighting requirements in effect. There's trees required between each driveway and a 25- foot landscape buffer is required except where it's not needed due to existing wetland areas in
this area. There would be no uh St. Augustine grass peritted. The city does permit Bermuda and be B bea because of the water use. There's also additional parking provided on the site plan that was proposed within the development
on site access. the access shown on the site plan. Because US27 is under FDOT authority, the developer will be required to provide any and all expansions or upgrades to the entryways and roadways as requested by FDOT.
There's also a right in right out access point provided on the plan for a second access which would allow the regular traffic in and allow an emergency access point for police, fire, and ambulance as well. Uh
signage would be based on the standard city code if any was needed. Um and I'd like to point out there's no interconnectivity for this property with the Royal Highlands property back to the west. The recreation improvements would
be uh consist of 18,000 square feet of items such as pavilion dog park, outdoor cooking facilities, child's tot lot and other similar uses. Of course, all the utilities have to be on city of Leburg uh systems for water and wastewater. And
our utility service providers in the city have indicated through the review process that there is capacity to serve this development. There is a phasing clause as you're familiar with that would require the development to move forward within 48 months or it would
default back to the RE1 zoning standards which is one unit one acre per unit. Um there's some additional information that that I wanted to share with you tonight about this particular project. As you can see we we received a
significant amount of public response to the project. A brief summary, I want to get their their issues out on the record for you. A brief summary of those responses includes concerns about traffic, project density, property
values, the security issues of living there, compatibility with neighborhood single family homes, wildlife and environmental concerns, crime, inconsistency with the city's comp plan, concerning concerns regarding infrastructure capacity for water and wastewater, storm water runoff, and many
others. This is just a summary. Again, we collected as many of those comments as we could and put them in your packet. I tried to get all of them. Um, moment ago mentioned that we'd come back to the commercial. We wanted to point out that the Royal Highlands development itself,
the entire development, excuse me, here it consists of property that is covered the the current ordinance covers this property and this property in Lake County. So, it covers a mixeduse
development, allows 1,500 single family units. Uh, those units are all built out at this time. Um, the Royal Highlands type development is similar to and consistent with what we have approved up and down US 27. The concern under Lake
County Ordinance 2005-45, which is what this property is under at this moment, it will allow commercial development of 49,500 square ft. That includes, and the list is extensive, but offices,
uh, ice cream shops, drugstores, sit down restaurants up to 5,000 ft, florists, bakeries, gift cards, dry cleaners, coffee shops, delicatessans, computer stores, banks, beauty salon, clothing store, sports bar, takeout delivery, food service, video rentals.
It's extensive on the commercial side. So, I wanted to ask everyone to pay particular attention to the following comments. What this case brings to light is the fact that the property is zoned for commercial uses in Lake County as we sit right now. The proposal for
annexation, zoning, and comp plan would change what would be permitted and would remove that ability to have commercial uses and go to strictly residential uses. So, if the uses are changed from just under 50,000 square feet of
commercial uses to 48 town homes, that would significantly lower the potential amount of traffic coming in and out of this area. Um, the issue as staff sees it is that over time property becomes more and more
valuable for development. as Orlando and the surrounding counties and cities expand development of properties such as this prime properties uh does occur. Uh we do understand it's not easy easy decisions and that neighbors in any given case including this one may or may
not like uh be happy about those proposals. But the larger concern that staff has is want to get on the record make sure everyone is aware that there really only two options here. one, if it stays in the county, it could easily go
to 50,000 square feet of commercial. If it comes into the city, it will have 48 town homes. Um, as long as the commission is happy with the PUD. So, technically, it would have a lower impact coming in to the city in staff's
view, but that is question that we place before you um tonight, Mr. Tom Daly, Mr. Bill Mackey of the Daily Design Group is here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Dan. Before we get to the developer, uh would any of the
commissioners like to have anything to say? Yes, I do. All right. Dan, you said if it stayed in the county could develop up to 50 up to 50,000? Just under 50? Yes, sir. But if it stays in the county, could they really develop it from 50,000 without water and wastewater? They would have to request the water and wastewater and the nearest provider is
the city of Leburg. Okay. So they would they could they could request our utilities and stay in the county. Yes, sir. That potentially I thought we had some type of requirement that if we supplied utilities they had to they had to annex. Generally that is the case. Let let me let me jump in on that
because because that used to be the case. So and it used to be the case up into the ISBA. And so so in the past what would occur was um and and the classic example is probably out 44 we did this more often.
Um, so we would annex um um there was one that's on the tip of my tongue like Iron Gate or Stone Gate. Stonegate's a good example of that. So we did those deals in the in the preISBA deals where we would provide you water
and sewer in an agreement that you you would come in and annex at the time the city could annex you. So that so that's the 163 rule. So annexation per statute says you have to be compact and
contiguous. So in the old days we would bring the water and sewer out to you and say basically when you're compact and contiguous you then have to petition for annex in exchange for our water sewer services. The ISBA now kind of replaces that
system where it says we will provide you or you will annex. So using the utilities as a carrot to annexation I don't think really exists these days because we have the ISBA
is I have a question. Is this the last area of the ISBA? As far south as it goes. It's as far south as it goes. Yeah. And then my next question is Dan, could you explain the Royal Commerce Drive closed? Am I reading that
right on 63? No, ma'am. We're not closing. No. And it says Royal Commerce Drive close up. I'm not sure where you That's what That's what I was trying to figure out on 683. Where's that written?
It's on um It's 6 A3. 6B3. I think it's a zoom in shot, but in the title it says Royal Commerce Drive closeup. I'm just curious if where do you see that?
Where is this? This is what I was questioning. [Music] I can't see. Okay. Yeah. For the audience, that's what she not closed up. Thank you. For the audience benefit, basically it shows this without the road. The road is
gone. It's gone. Thank you. Got it. Thank you. C. Can I ask one question? Yes, sir. Uh for clarification, uh did you say these are for sale only or would they be allowed to rent them? The as a government we are not allowed to say you Okay, I misunderstood. I thought they
were rental or sale. I thought I heard you say sale. I have no authority as a planning person to tell them they can or can't. The cities and governments can't do that. No, thank you for the clarification. Separate parcels though, so they could be sold separately. So they're, you
know, separate somewhere in a packet, you know, with in the PUD instead of 55 plus at one at one point I think it did. We were we meant to take that language out because that's an that's a statement of
intent. That's in the background. Is that in the background portion? Uh, I have to I think I think it's in the background portion of the PD just said, you know, and that's a statement of intent on page 349. I wrote it down. Yeah. Okay. I need to find that because that was supposed to come out.
If it didn't, I apologize. But yeah, I we can't tell them 55 plus or not. Would you guys be open to having the developer do his presentation? It's fine with me. All right, sir. All right. Thank you.
Good evening. My name is uh Tom Daly. I'm with Daily Design Group, 913 North Pennsylvania Avenue, Winter Park, Florida. Um, we're here on behalf of GPK U Real Estate Development. They are the owners of this property. Will my clicker
work or do I All right, next slide, please. Um, like Dan said, you know, we have a a 7.5 acre uh site we're requesting to be annexed into the city. Uh we're requesting to amend the future land use
to be consistent with the city and then to also amend the uh zoning from Lake County uh commercial to the city of Leburg PUD. Um next just a broader picture of this you can see that dash line that runs around
there that is your ISBA. Okay. Uh in uh response miss I think commissioner Barry had that question. This was this is sitting down there that the road that uh is up in the over right hand corner. That's the turnpike and then um US 27
kind of runs down and just off the screen is the intersection of uh highway 19 and the turnpike back in that area. Can you go to the next slide please? This has a long history. This property was uh originally approved along with
the Royal Highlands development as a development of regional impact which used to be these very largecale projects required much off-site uh considerations. This was 1994 when this was approved. Um the master plan was
amended back in 2005. when it was amended, the uh commercial property, and I'll show you an exhibit in a second, but the commercial property was actually relocated to a different portion of the site. Um the it was
originally uh right at the corner of uh Monarch Boulevard and 27 where the traffic light is. But at that time in 2005, the master developer deed the property to the HOA for the purposes of the uh softball field that they have
there now and pickleball courts. The commercial then was moved south to the site that we're talking about now. Um there was also a number of agreements that were uh recorded and agreed to with regards to the access. As um I think Dan
said, all of these Monarch and Royal Commerce are private roads and the access agreements um are in place for the benefit of this particular 7.5 acre property. So this was all done back in
20 years ago uh or less than 20 years ago. And then the pickle ball was decor uh obviously uh deed another deed and then it was purchased in 2023 by my client uh GPK uh development. Can we slide up to the next one please? Just to
give you a a Royal Highlands is a very big community, 1,500 homes. Uh there's a provision for allowing 300 RV storage and then originally it was 5,000 square feet. And if you look at this this diagram, the commercial is at the
intersection. This is the original 94 approval was originally um up there at the intersection of Monarch and um 27. The area to the that's in purple, what we call the site that was actually
residential at the time back in 1994 with the original uh DRRI, state and county approvals. We go to the next one. This is in 2005. this 20 years ago or 200 yeah five 20 years ago. This is when the the commercial uh was shifted from
that intersection down to um the property that we're talking about here the um 7 and 12 acres and through that process it was approved for 49,500 square ft of retail. the uh the former
retail was converted to recreation for the uh Royal Highlands uh HOA. If we can go to the next one, please. This is the field or this is the property. It um enco it encumbers the frontage that goes all the way along uh 27. There is an
existing pond that is located um uh adjacent to uh some existing family homes in Royal Highlands. There's a burm that was installed. I can't find when, but the trees are huge on it. So, it had
to be at least 20 years or so ago as uh the master developer put that burm in place to buffer the community from the commercial and that's, you know, and so that provided the physical separation between the two of them. Um, fairly
cleared site. There was a few trees uh out there that are shown on this. Uh we went out and uh our client had an arburist go out take a look. Property had not been um the trees had not been maintained for years. So they went and trimmed up. They removed some dead trees
um and identified trees that were valuable to save. We go to the next slide please. This is an example of the 49,500 square ft of commercial. You can see that by doing that commercial there. Um, and this probably
isn't uh show as much parking as that may be required, but just the depth of commercial strip center as we're all familiar with would require encroachment into that burm. It would require a readjustment of the existing retention pond that folks live on right now.
Again, this is all within our property, but that the the commercial itself would require a lot of re redoing of the property itself. And um so but that's just an example of uh what that 49,500
square ft would uh entail. As I think uh I can't remember if Dan or somebody else on the commission, we had a traffic our traffic engineer, excuse me, um evaluate the difference between the town homes we're proposing
and that. And obviously the traffic is five, six times more at least on a daily basis, not on a peak hour, which is a lot of times the way that that traffic's evaluated in commercial um than the 48
town homes. And so um anyways, can we go to the next slide, please? This is just a kind of a in context. You can see that we've the uh we have Royal Commerce Drive. We have Monarch and then the the big green space that's kind of around
that loop of of Royal uh Commerce is the uh existing softball courts. Uh there's the pickle ball courts and then there's a vacant piece of property that's still owned by the homeowners association right there at the intersection. Now, as part of all of this, because as
things 20 years go by, um there are some improvements that the HOA has installed that kind of creep into the property that we're talking about. There's some signage and some uh I'll call it hardscape uh elements at the
intersection of Royal Commerce and 27. There's a a a screen wall that was constructed that, you know, kind of pushes into the property a little bit. We have been in discussions with the uh Royal Highlands uh board about keeping
all of that in place. Um we've been in contact with them about the existing retention pond, uh maintenance agreements, the agreements that were in place back in in 2005. you know, they were all between the developer and kind of the developer
himself because he was still the master developer of the HOA. So, we're working real hard with the board to kind of provide a little more specificity about drainage easements um you know, maintenance responsibilities and all that. If if
this uh if this group um recommends approval for it, then we're going to go full board into um discussing all of the the minutia, but minutia is important. uh to to ensure that we're protecting everybody around the property. But this
is just an example. One thing you can't really see very clearly, but if you go from the intersection of uh Monarch down that frontage to that loop road, there's a turn lane there that was installed by DOT. Now, I don't
know when, okay, I didn't had a chance to research, but that turn lane, which is a pulloff lane, they call it a deceleration lane, excuse me, is about 400 ft long, obviously was put
in for a commercial development. That's 20 cars that can get off the road and make a right-hand turn into Royal Commerce to access this commercial site. So obviously there was a lot of planning that went in place when this this property was being master planned and
permitted. Again, I don't know if the master developer constructed it or whether they paid into the DOT to do it, but it's there. It exists. And like I said, turn lanes that are 400 ft long definitely anticipate a lot of cars
going to be going in there and moving around. So if you can go to the next slide, please. This is the site. Like I said, it's it's fair fairly cleared. Fairly cleared. Um there's a handful of trees. If you look at the back horizon there, that's that landscape burm. And
you can see all those mature trees there. That that is what's on the landscape burm today. Other than that, the site's been cleared, been mowed and maintained for a number of years. If you can go to the next slide, please. This is looking at it from Royal Highlands
perspective. Uh you can see that it's kind of a grainy picture, but you can definitely see that that the the vegetation on this burm that we're uh agreeing to maintain is pretty significant. It it acts as a as a as a perfect buffer between this property and
the single family homes adjacent to it. If you can go to the next one, please. And this is our proposal. It's very straightforward. Uh 49 town homes. Uh you can see that the existing burm will stay in its location and will remain
heavily vegetated. Um it's basically it's just one culde-sac that comes down to to serve this community. 48 town homes is not um you know a significant amount of uh cars and traffic coming in and out. Uh there is a small recreation area that we're proposing to have a
pickle ball court um dog park things that would better suit the the residents of this community. And like Dan pointed out, we are uh requesting a maximum of 48 town homes. I believe that the comprehensive plan that we're looking at
uh designation goes up to eight, but we've capped it at below seven for the total number of of units. Um I think Commissioner Burr or somebody had asked a question about the the character of the the residents. Our goal
has always been to provide for a 55 and up and to provide them as rental units. And the reason that we've the market that we're we're considering and we're doing market studies on it right now is that when folks move from anywhere in
the country down here to Leburg looking for a house in, you know, the villages or anywhere, there's a real lack of of places to stay while you're looking or while your house is getting built. And so part of what we we see is this
demographic going in here would be for that. you come down, you you got to sell your house first before when you when you know you come down here. There's a time frame that goes through that. Um, you know, we're saying that the minimum
uh rental period would be one year for any of these units. And um but that's basically the program. Um uh we have uh a mixture of uh resident parking and visitor parking which is always important. I think a total of 78 uh
total spaces for the 48 town homes. And then if we can go to that next slide, please. That's the architecture. Uh this is not your cookie cutter um national home builder uh style. Got metal roofs. You can see the the architecture that
they're proposing. U GPK hired a Winter Park architect um very high-end winter park architect to develop the plans for here. Um, I think Dan said that, you know, 1100 square feet and I can't remember the the the maximum square feet, but you can see we got everything.
Everybody's got a garage, two twocar garage on the ends, onecar garage in the middle. This is a typical sixunit building, but much more than than what you might normally see. This is not a start home market. This is this is definitely something uh above all of
that. And so uh we have like I said we have met with the board uh early on when we were considering making this application which back March April. Uh we met with the board again uh as we were started
moving through the process and then we had a community meeting about three weeks ago and that community meeting was well attended and um we explained exactly the same thing that we're explaining to you tonight. our our program hasn't changed.
Uh we've been very forthright and open. Uh the concerns, and I'm not going to put concerns into people's mouths, but in general, it was like you said, it was traffic. There was uh concerns about security, meaning the rent. You know,
right now they they live in a gated community. We're not part of that gated community. We're not part of their recreation areas. we could residents that that live here, they could get a membership at the golf club and we were approached by the the folks that that uh
run the golf club about that. But, you know, we've agreed to along that burm in gaps at the ends of that burm to put some kind of fencing or physical barrier so that there's not I hate to say co-mingling because it's we're all people but you know to provide that
level of assurance to the folks that live in Royal Highlands that we actually have a physical barrier between between them and this community. Um, so anyways, um, you know, I'm here to ask for your support. Uh, like I said, I, and I think
Dan even reiterated it, the impact of 49,500 square ft of commercial is much greater than what you're looking at here. I realize that, you know, there are we've heard some folks at the community meeting that said they wanted the
commercial versus this, but I think, you know, I think this is a a better fit when it comes down to compatibility with the original goals of the the PUD and where everything sits now, 30 years
later. So, I'm here to answer any questions. And of course, I'd like to have an opportunity to respond to any comments that the uh community may have. Thank you. Any questions for the developer from the commission? Just two quick ones. Um I was trying to find it in the PUD, but I just asked.
You said 78 parking spaces. I assume that's on top of the the garage. No, that's including the garage. Okay. So, for example, I thought I heard two per unit. That would be 96. That's 1.62 sticks two parking spots per
spot for home. Yeah, it we have we have both garage, driveway, and then we have parking spaces in between the units for visitor parking, additional visitor parking. But again, that'll all be part of the site plan process. I'm just telling you
that's our goal. That's where we're at. We still need to do our civil engineering design on it. Okay. Um, I would think the state would push you to that lighted intersection, but I guess that that's is that are they gonna or are they going to mandate that?
Not that. Okay, sir. I guess I was trying to learn something there. Okay. No, that's all I have. Thank you. I'd just like to go back. You know, in the PUD, what it says is uh it's consisting of a maximum 48 units, single
family residential units, which may be a 55 plus. So that's just a maybe maybe not kind of thing. If the audience would remain quiet, the commission is discussing. I know. Thank you.
Any other commission comments before we open up to public comments? All right, we'll open up for public comments. If you would please form a line at the podium. You have to come up to the podium. Please state your name and address for the record. You do have three minutes. Uh and we have a clock here that will help you with your time.
And again, please state your name and address for the record. Thank you. Um, I'm Mary Hitchcock. I live at 6320 Birkshshire Pass, um, within 200 ft of this, uh, zone, Leburg. Um, I've lived there 21 years. Um, please don't ignore
the fact that this site is in the area that has always been Royal Highlands future development expansion. Okay? We've always counted on it as being uh a service area to our our community. We deliberate it was deliberately not
residential. Commerce Drive was built 29 years ago and and is owned by Royal Highlands. Access was granted to this lot this lot um in 2009 in anticipation of future
light commercial traffic that was going to serve our development. If the zoning changes, that will cause the access agreement to be revisited. North and South portion of Commerce Drive might even be closed for the
safety of our residents, uh, requiring site access to Highway 27 only. Um, this is because we have a pickle ball court as well as a softball field there. People go mostly our traffic is not by
car but by golf cart and scooter to see pickle ball or whatever. Um car traffic is going to be a a problem. The development at the current zoning is going to eliminate hundreds of daily
trips to Leburg or Claremont on highway 27 and increase the safety both there and on on the highway 27 because if we have light commercial there, we won't
have to go eight or 10 miles in either direction to the beauty parlor, to the whatever that we do now. Maybe even we would get a pet service there. The city has the ability to service this site only because Royal Highlands built
the plant and we gave it to the city in exchange for maintenance many years ago. Hundreds of residential units have already been approved or are under construction on parcels within a
mile of this site already. You you've already done that. So more aren't needed. The residential track traffic from this development will require some kind of improvements on the on commercial uh commerce drive if you are to allow it.
Um if we don't because we'll need a golf cart lane or something for those scooters and golf carts to go back and forth. And I'm it would be a terrible burden on the residents who are all retired of Royal Highlands if they had
to uh improve this road. I think the the project is inconsistent not only with the character of Royal Highlands community, but with what we have all counted on for maybe 20 years or more since we moved there. We knew what was going to be there. You like it?
I mean, I I would have been happier if it had already been in existence, but it it wasn't. And we've been looking forward to it for a long time. And right now is the time when people are coming and wanting to provide those services nearest it. It it soon we will get what
we want if this goes away. So building land in Royal Highlands in lake in the lake county is a scarce resource and you must choose to use it wisely. Please respect our future development area and deny this annexation and zoning request. And
thank you very much, Miss Hitchcock. I have a question for you, Miss Hitchcock. Yes. So, you would prefer to see it commercial versus Yes, I would. Okay. Uh we we had counted on a bank actually owned that site on the corner before we bought it of Monarch Drive. Uh United
Southern owned that owned that that site. Thank you. And when I moved there, United had that. They also have our ATM inside our community. You're good. I was just curious if you would rather see it commercial versus residential. Definitely. All right. Thank you.
Hello. Uh Debbie Orchuk 47. Can I put this down? Sure people. Uh 473A Gleno Street. My concern is in relation to the two empty lots which connect to Royal Highlands. I don't have a clicker, but I can show you the property afterwards if
you'd like. This property is mainly cut off by a burm which separates Royal Highland from the proposed new town homes. But there's a problem for both us and the builder. The problem this burm creates for the builder is it presents prevents them from putting any large
building on the two lots which are in basically in Royal Highlands. The reason that they can't build there is because they'd have to take the burm down to get in heavy equipment or they'd have to go across Royal Highlands property to get any equipment in there
to build anything on those two lots. Their only other Okay. For that reason, there's been a discussion that the builder would deem those lots as green space and pro possibly offer them to Royal Highlands in exchange for our continued maintenance of the pond and
the burm. By doing this, the builder would get a nice tax deduction and would not be burdened with maintenance. The problem for Royal Highlands is there's no formal barrier between these two properties. The renters of the new property would have foot access directly
into Royal Highlands and Royal Highlands cannot build a fence as this gentleman suggested because the property goes directly onto King Henry Street Drive. Now, according to Leburg zoning laws, any non-permanent structure could be
placed on that green space that would enable the developer to turn those lots into a gathering spot for his new community. If he so chooses, he could have swing sets put in, park benches, picnic tables, any non-permanent structure. Great for them. It's another
selling feature for them. But if approved, the city is essentially allowing a new community of 48 town homes with people of varying ages to meet and party within our community. This would completely change the dynamics of our community. It now
becomes a security issue as well as a noise and privacy problem. I respectfully request the board consider what they would be authorizing if they decide to go forward with the resoning. Thank you. Well, thanks for listening to us. As you can see, we're very concerned about it
and we've got it right. I'm Terry Van Winkle, Roy Highlands, 5340 Sir Churchill Drive. The There's so many things to talk about here. Tom has changed. If you'd have been at the three meetings we've been with him, he's changed what he is saying every time.
Number one, that burm doesn't protect anybody from anything. He says it separates you. I've driven my golf cart over that burm. That's what kind of a safety thing you've got there. You need a fence up there. They want us to maintain the overflow pond.
That pond right now needs maintenance. It's on their property, but they want us to maintain it or share in it because water runs in it. You got 50,000 square feet of homes and cement. They're going to flow into that retention pond. It
can't handle it. That retention pond is going to need expanded. That is going to be an argument between him and us. And who's going to pay for it and when is it going to get done? The other thing about that retention pond is you're going to have 48 apartments, 90
people over there and a bunch of kids. We have alligators in that pond, they better fence it and they better maintain it. Big safety thing. But let's go back on to traffic. I just listened to one Congress for Florida Congress. Number
one concern of people is traffic. We own the road. They can't get in. They can't get out without using our road and not improving it. Number one, all that traffic going south, they go they can go out, but to go north, they
come over onto Monarch Boulevard and go to the light, which you know is there. We already have lines in front of that. Today, we had lines in front of that with us using it and all the contractors and delivery people. Now, you want to add 96 people using that road, too.
We're going to play hell getting in and out of there. You've already got Kaos building right next to us over at the Chainlink fence from us. You've got what is the name of the on the other side of the turnpike. They also own that. 300 apartments going in over there
and a gas station. We are not going to be able to get out of Royal Highlands. We're already in line. So, you really need to consider the traffic. It's going to be a big big problem. The other thing I had a concern about,
I hope somebody talked to DOT. If they want to expand 27, which they need to do, this is going to block the expansion of 27 to the west. Everything would have to go to the east. Something else that they need to consider.
There's so many problems with this. It needs a whole lot more discussion or something changed. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. [Applause] Hi there. I'm Katherine BBE. I live at
21514 King Henry Avenue in Leburg, Florida, Royal Highlands. I have been an owner in Royal Highlands since November of 1995 and a resident since 1999. Thank you for taking the time this afternoon to hear my objections to
reszoning and annexing to Leburg the 7.53 acres that is contiguous to Royal Highlands. First, the parcel has been zoned commercial by Lake County since Pringle Communities developed Royal Highlands in 1994.
Second, PKG developers wants to put 48 town homes on only the usable five acres. That becomes 9.6 town homes per acre. And on that same five acres, they plan a pickle ball court and a dog park.
The pond, burm, and property on the other side of the burm, which is about two and a half acres, would not be built on. At a Royal Highlands meeting on August 19th, the audience was told that it would be rentals of a one plus plus
years. Uh at the commission meeting on August 21st, you were told that it would be six-month rentals. First they said it would be a 55 plus community at our meeting and then that was changed. They seem to change directions to whatever
audience they are talking to. Third, there are many developers building large subdivisions just north of Royal Highlands. The approval of Dilly Lake, 304 multifamily units, development near Lake Emergency Center
of several hundred homes. These two subdivisions, just a short two miles north of Royal Highlands, would house over 600 families and over 600 vehicles, which would further impact the the
traffic on Highway 27, an already overcrowded stretch of road because of all the truck traffic trying to get onto the northbound uh entrance to the turnpike. Fourth, the PKG plan is to use Royal Highlands Commerce Drive for ingress and
egress to their planned development. The agreement agreement, not a contract, to use Royal Highlands private road was for any commercial development of the 7.5 acres, not for residential. Finally, I trust that you will evaluate
all the data that's been provided and recommend that this property continue to be zoned for commercial use. Thank you very much. Thank you, Miss Bie. Just for clarification, the prior meeting you spoke about was the planning and zoning. It wasn't this commission. Oh, sorry. Just for clarification. Thank you.
That's where he spoke to that. You're fine. Thank you. Just for clarification. Yes, sir. My name is Richard Ellik. I live at 20805 Queen Alexander Drive. I've been a resident there for 19 years. A little background, I sold real estate for almost 18 years. And when he talks about
commercial property and the people, if you go to any small commercial development, if you get 10, 15 cars in there a day, you got a lot. He's making it sound like you're going to get hundreds of cars in there. Not so. And then about a road commerce drive, go there and spend a day and see how many
Royal Highlands cars actually ride down it. It's few and far between. not what he's saying. 1500 people are going to be riding down that road. They don't use that road. They use it for pickle ball and they use it for uh softball. That's it. And that's when those roads are
used. And most of the time they're used with golf carts. And now they're going to have 96 cars running up and down that road because that's the only way they can get in there. It's not very feasible safety for the people living in those front homes. With the traffic moving in there the way it is, it's not going to
be safe for senior citizens when there anybody can walk over that burm. it will not be safe. And that's all I have to say. Thank you for hearing me. [Applause] Okay. Uh thank you for giving us the opportunity to speak. Um my name is
Michael Delay. I live in uh Royal Highlands. I've been there for 24 years. Um my address is 4945 St. Andrews Arc. Um, you're hearing all the issues that we have and I think you can tell by the
turnout that, you know, we're not for this type of a development, but we I think most of us would accept commercial a commercial development uh but not a residential because from what I'm understanding is there will be no
property management on that on that property. um you know, who knows with all the um Amazon and uh uh places that have built down there, there's a lot of people that are working down there and
these are younger people, you know, and it's going to affect our property values. It's going to affect our our living standards, you know, like our quietness and all that, especially the people that are near that
community. Um, so you know, we ask you, you know, I think a good compromise would be to go ahead with the the commercial but not the residential. Thank you. Hi, my name is Debbie Dwayne. I live at
20720 Prince Reneer Place. Um, thank you for letting us have the time to speak to you. Um, I prayfully um wish you uh consider denying this request for zoning. Everybody's right. He's changed his tune so many times. We don't know
what's going to be built there. They might end up being used for ver verbos. Who knows? Um uh as far as this joint access agreement, a couple of us in our community have read this. It was meant for residential only.
commercial, I mean sorry, commercial only. And um we are going to do some more research on it, but I don't think um he can use Commerce Boulevard according to this easement agreement. So, he'd have to get
uh uh a road somewhere else and I don't think anybody else is going to give it to him. I just really wish you'd deny this project. Thank you. Are there any other public comments? Seeing none, we're going to close the public comment section and we will be go back to the developer for his rebuttal
or any final comments. Thank you. Um I'll just be brief. It it does seem like folks uh some folks would prefer commercial. I think what a lot of folks don't understand is you can't pick the kind of restaurant that's going to
go in. You can't pick the pizza place. when you have commercial, Dan was very uh good about stating it's all those commercial uses, those C1 uses. And so any promise to be a support commercial site for this uh for the Royal
Highlands, you know, that that just doesn't exist, you know, relative, you know, I like Papa John's, you like Pizza Hut, right? You know, you can't pick. So that the commercial, you know, was a component of
the 1994 approvals, but certainly uh not something where it was designed to serve just the Royal Highlands because, as you know, a commercial site needs a lot of traffic and a lot of visibility. So, you
know, what we're seeing out there now is that like I think someone said, there's a lot of commercial coming on out there, you know, from other developments in the Groveland uh JPA or ISBA. And so, there are going to be commercial opportunities. We just don't think that this is the appropriate site for it. Um
just a couple other things. The we believe that the easement that provides us access is locked is solid legally solid to both Monarch and to Royal Commerce. We've had our attorneys review it. It was done with
the with both the uh the HOA and that granting those those physical rights. that also granted utility agreements or utility access uh so that we can access the city utilities that are built within that that area. So I I I completely
disagree that we don't have rights to access over those two roads. Uh I wouldn't be stand here if I thought that we could or could not. Um you know the security issues and things like that for sure you know and you know you know we
can make statements here. This is the PUD, right? And so if you wanted to add any conditions that would say that, you know, open areas within the um, you know, within the common property line need to be fenced, that's a, you know, perfectly something that's within the
purview of the city council because it's a PUD and we have specific performance requirements within there. So the part of the PUD process allows that to to happen. I don't know who's driving golf carts over it. I don't know, you know,
but certainly everything I've seen out there, that that burm that you're looking at right there, that's pretty heavily vegetated. And I certainly don't think that we would, you know, want to have that. Nor would we want uh anybody that lived in the the town home
community to be driving over across that. It's a pretty steep pretty steep BM. regarding what I've said and what I'm saying to you tonight. I apologize if there was any misunderstandings, but I've been saying the same thing since we
first had our community meeting, since we've met with the board. We're doing a a town home community. We're wanting the ability to do a 55 and up if you know if if that's allowed, you
know, and that's why it says maybe in the in the the ordinance so that it gives us the opportunity to do that. Um, but I haven't changed my story, you know, relative to what we're doing, how we're approaching it, and what
representations we've made to the this group and to their board and to your staff. Even if I was, you have a a development agreement in your PUD that lays out exactly what we're required to do, what
we can't do and what we can do. And so the shity take, you know, me out of it is in that document. And that P that's the thing with a PUD, the C1 that we currently have in the county, anything goes as long as you meet that
C1 code. We're doing a PUD specifically so the conditions and the restrictions on the uses of the land is codified in in this approval. And so um with that, you know, if there's any further
questions that the board may have, I'm happy to answer them. I'd seek your support to annex the property. We're we're in the ISBA. We're using your utilities. um because of that annexation, then we are obligated to do
the um comprehensive plan and the zoning to be consistent with your code. Again, we're going for a future land use that allows for up to eight homes per acre. We've agreed to less than seven. And I think in your your development agreement
here, it all it says 6.54 or something like that. So, we've already agreed to reduce the amount of of um residential density on the site. The other last thing I want to bring up is that grass area there.
That's I think one of the the the folks was saying, "What about that? They can build something on it. They can, you know, um improve it." This is the other side of the burm you're standing on. There's a that house right there is uh within the Royal Highlands community.
We've presented to the the board, we've presented to this group that we plan to leave it as open space and we'd plan not to have access to it. Again, your PUD document can state that that it will be open space, that it will be unimproved,
that it will not allow for pedestrian access from this community. These are things that can be incorporated directly into the document that's sitting in front of you. That grass there, they've been mowing that for 20 years. The pond that's
there, they've been mowing it for that many years. It's right around the corner from that house. There's irrigation systems that the HOA has installed. We don't want to mess with their stuff and we're agreeable to keep everything
behind that burm and to secure for the access between the two properties. So, with that, I'd ask for your support uh to move this forward to the second reading and uh for the annexation comp plan and and reszoning. Thank you. Any questions for the
developer? I had a couple questions for Dan. Dan, um if this does get approved, some things I would like to see. Okay. Uh the east border along 27, uh can we put a b some kind of small burm with some kind of fencing on there just so there's some kind of separation from the
front door and the road? And then on the west side along Royal Highlands, I'll leave this up to maybe the HOA and you guys to discuss, but some kind of uh if they're worried about security, some kind of decorative fencing that's in the PUD along the property, maybe excluding
the water feature area. And then lastly, um I know our new PU or exist new ponds, we require this, but if since this is coming, if this comes in, I would like to see uh that pond fall within our uh area or the fountain feature as well. So, those are some of the things I would
like to see. Anything else for Dan? Just just for clarification. Um I I can't see the wall there. Looks like it ends. Is that a fair statement? I'm not really I'm trying to get my bearings here. I see it's right here.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. um like behind the scenes and I I I hear the residents complaints about you know security are talking about fencing but if I go back to the the the site plan it looks like you're expanding the retention almost
encompasses the whole back of the property right there commercial that's commercial okay okay my bad okay I ran the two together the commercial would encroach onto that green space that we're talking Oh yeah.
Okay. Um, Royal Highlands is using this retention pond as well. Yes. Okay. Okay. Now, I asked earlier, I guess I guess I'm still confused on roads. I If you're going to go northbound, you're
going to cross. You're going to have a shared access agree. I have an access agreement to go to the light to turn. Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. Thank you. So speaking with Mike on that uh we we've heard two different things. They have access they don't have access. Do
we know you know where does approval of this is kind of contingent on having access? We will have a full answer on that at the next October 13 meeting. I mean before anything short answer is staff's not prepared to answer the
access question. This evening council has heard both sides of the story. You've heard from the residents that says they don't have access and you've heard from the developer that says they do. The appraiser site clearly shows that that is a private road. So, we need
to dig into the Was it approved by a PUD in the county back in the day? Yes, it was approved by a PUD and there is an agreement. So, yeah. So, we'll dig into the county PUB definitely dig into the access and we'll get our own legal opinion from our beloved Mr. Watson when we get that and
we'll have an answer for you when this comes back and just and and I don't mean to belver the point I'm sure the mayor will want you guys to know this as well but again this is first reading so on all these type items they lay over I think this one is due to come back October 13th so we'll have we'll we'll
get you a road opinion from staff and we'll get that out via email prior to the 13th Oh yeah because obvious Obviously, I think we do have conflicting um public comment on that. We do. Any other commission comments?
All right. This item will lay over till October 13th. We'll move along to non-rine items. We have none. Informational reports. We have none. City attorney items. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've got one thing. Uh we've been working uh I think as we had mentioned a little while back, the
I would ask that the audience remain quiet, please. We're still in session. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. uh the Venice at Lake Harris uh had commenced that uh special magistrate process in regards to the denial of their annexation. Uh so we've been uh I've been communicating
with the attorney for the developer there. We've been trying to get our special magistrate set. We finally have settled on somebody. Uh he's out of the country right now uh last week and this week. So, we anticipate him being back uh Monday of next week and trying to get
signed up and moving forward with that. So, the trouble, not really trouble, but the one issue that we've kind of run into is that there's some statutory time frames as far as when he's supposed to receive uh every all the information, when he's supposed to schedule a
hearing. We're not able to meet those time frames because just sort of logistically trying to get him into the fold here. And so really my request is a um essentially approval of moving forward. His name is Ed Pantalone. He's
in uh Windermir wellversed in this type of stuff. I don't know him personally. Um he was recommended by the other attorney, but I've looked into him and he seems like he's fine. Uh the rates, I think 325 an hour is is very reasonable all things
considered, particularly out of Windermir. uh you you might expect to see higher numbers. So I think all things considered he seems uh you know like somebody who's very wellversed in this area of the law. Uh the rate I understand uh is is uh a little bit
shocking but in terms of attorneys fee rates it's not not crazy particularly in uh areas like this that are a little bit complicated to try and navigate. Um, so, you know, all of that said, I I think he's probably a pretty good one that we've honed in on, but we need a little
bit of flexibility on some of the time frames. So, the request is uh to allow me to sign up on the agreement to move forward with him as the special magistrate and also for a waiver of those uh time frames as far as getting our response to the special magistrate
and then getting hearings scheduled uh and mediation scheduled once we get everything to the special magistrate. Which development is this? I think I know what you want to do. I want to be sure I'm clear. Corey Island. Okay. Okay. That's what I thought. So, I'll be sure. Thank you. Yes, sir.
How's the commission feel? I'm good with that. Okay. All right. So, everybody's good with that? All right. Well, I'll get it signed up and uh we'll get our response over. I'll get copies out to all of you all so that you'll see that and uh we'll start working on scheduling as we move forward
with that. All right. Thank you, Grant. Yes, sir. Thank you. That's all I've got this evening. Thank you, sir. Uh city manager items. So, we're officially in the home stretch of the fiscal year 26 budget process. So remember, Thursday at 5:00 pm here in city hall, we start our first uh of our
budget and mill rate resolution public hearings. So 5:00 pm sharp everybody on Thursday and we start with I believe the Carver Heights CRA. Yes. Thank you. Uh roll call. Commissioner Bur,
nothing tonight. Commission Peterson. Al, you said 5 or 5:30. 5 p.m. 501. That's the first one. And then 510. You get an extra minute. 501. Okay. Um, I have one other thing, and I'm not going to make a motion tonight. This is just to kind of get the
the pulse of the commission. This has been on my to-do list for a couple months, but I would like to propose to the commission that we consider going to a special magistrate process for planning and zoning. Uh, and let me let me clarify that. Um it is kind of the a
wave right now, but basically a special magistrate would be an attorney uh who would replace the PNZ commission. So you know um I I think you're adding a legal layer to the process, which I think there's value there. Uh the process is identical. I mean, so instead of a PZ
commission sitting up here at this table, the meeting will be run by an attorney. Uh staff would be present, but the city attorney, not city attorney, the special special magistrate would run the meeting. Um I have been before special magistrate in Sumpter County. Um
it I like the process. Um Wildwood has a has gone to a special magistrate. Futin Park just approved going to a special magistrate and I can maybe use you can help me out Grant. There's a few others but there is a wave of activity. I at one time was Wildwood special magistrate.
I do. Yeah I am. Maybe you can help me out here. I think it's it's the way of the future and I I look at it as a a legal layer um compared to what we currently have. And no disrespect to the current PNZ commission. You know, I know it's been around a long time and I'm going to ruffle a few feathers, but things, you
know, times are changing. Um I think I covered all my notes. Um but yeah, just just on that, if if any of you have any questions about that process or you want to talk more about it, I I do have we need would we need an ordinance type of process to amend that?
probably. So I' I'd look at the code, but that would be my guess because right now we've got a planning and zoning board that's established by code, so we'd need to change that. Okay. So let let we'll do some staff report on that if you would let let So obviously that that request brings up a
bunch of questions. So, let us put together a staff report and kind of we'll give you the pluses and minuses of going to special magistrate and we'll roll out and give you some procedural stuff uh on how how on how potentially you do get there.
Maybe if it's not the next meeting would be first October meeting. That's fine. You know, within a month or so, give us give us some time to do some homework. But um yeah, I just want to get back out here for discussion and and let the commission know that I'd like to see it on the agenda. So that's perfect.
Okay. Just to comment on Go ahead. on Mike. I have had members of the community uh talk to me about uh moving to a magistrate forum also. So it's not just uh Mike's Mike's here. It's it's my
and I'm far from an expert on it. Uh but you know, it it's very very similar process. It actually take a lot of uh pressure off the staff in my opinion. It's essentially the same process. It's just one person that's ultimately making the decision versus the right who is a lawyer who
to sort through there and and all that. Yes. I have I have one question. What is the um what is the benefit from that? because I always thought the planning and zoning was to bring in historical people who have lived in the area for
significant years who could actually tell um history of what's going on in the area. Um be it give a little insert of far as um what was there before. I mean you got to consider all of that and I do know that um I mean I know there's
a change of times. I know that there is a goal to um move the process along I would say but you do have to consider um people who are in the community who value where they are and can share their
ideas and share some of the areas they can still participate in the meeting. Um my my pitch on this is I didn't finish. Oh go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's okay. I'll just say I want to add to say that the importance of the
planning and zoning I always thought was to be able to have input from community members and with an attorney that would be determined by whom to bring in an attorney. I'm just question don't want to ask. It's a great comment question. Al and
city city city attorney can help me out anytime but to you know my simple view is okay I've been I already said once I've been on the commission six and a half years. I've heard a lot of commissioners been in frustration about you know the votes. We we contradict the PMZ commission all the time. I mean I'm
looking at you Grant. I think if special magistrate votes it down, we I guess we can still approve, but it they're if they vote it down, it's really over more of a legal legal argument versus the emotions we see at uh PNZ commission. Yeah, I think that the you know, with a
lawyer acting as the special magistrate, they're obviously going to take a more legal view of things as opposed to um you know, maybe more practical issues. I think they certainly can see those too, but I think they're going to be particularly concerned about some of the
more legal issues and look at those and um you know sort of use their field of of knowledge and expertise to kind of navigate whatever issues come up in that arena. Um you know I think I don't want to get too deep into this to the discussion. I think there's there's pros
and sides on on both sides of that. Um, but like I said, I'm I'm happy to to go over my experiences with any of you and and discuss that in greater detail. Yeah, that's all I'm looking for. Thank you. Sorry to talk over you, Commissioner Barry.
Nothing tonight. Thank you, Mayor Reeseman. Couple things. I attended the opening night of the Melon Patch's new play at uh Nana Vegas. They have of their eight shows, I think four or five of them are already sold out. It was packed that night. It was hilarious. So, if you
haven't gone, I would encourage you to do that. Um, this Friday is Discover Leburg downtown as long as well as a new art reception at the art center. And then, um, I don't know if any of you guys are going to the Leburg Chambers event, the swashbucklers and siren sor.
Um, and then on the September 20th, the city beautifification board along with our public works is teaming up with Keep Lake Beautiful for a Lake County waterways cleanup. So, we'll be out at uh, Venetian Gardens and Ski Beach. Uh Leburg Recreation is providing kayaks and canoes for anyone who wants to clean
up from the water side or and then you can also clean up from the landside. So hopefully everyone can come out to that. Uh with that I'll take a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Second. Meeting adjourned.