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Jesus. [Music] This is the Lake County Board of County Commissioners regular meeting on November 4th, 2025 in Port Chambers Administrative Building Taris, Florida. recording in progress. [Music]
>> Good morning everyone. Welcome to our November 4th, 2025 Lake County Board of County Commissioners meeting. And we're going to start our meeting today with uh our invocation which will given be given by Rabbi Solomon of the traditional congregation of Mount Dora. And then if you'll remain standing, we will have the
pledge of allegiance. You >> Aino Aman, our father, merciful father, who grants salvation to kings and dominion to princes, whose kingdom is eternal and unbounded, who graciously endows man
with knowledge, who teaches mortal man understanding. For with God is wisdom and understanding. Recall for us this day the covenant you made with Noah, that destruction will never come from God's hands. And that
each of us are equally the children of Noah, no one better lineage than his neighbor, equally in the image of God with absolute freedom and the responsibilities thereby. And so may God bless, guard, protect,
and help all the leaders of government, the president of the United States, the governor of Florida, the Lake County manager, and these commissioners. Graciously grant to them knowledge, understanding, and discernment. May the Supreme King of Kings in his mercy
preserve them in life, deliver them from hurt and all trouble. May the Supreme King of Kings and his mercy inspire them and all their counselors with benevolence to do good towards all that is in their charge. May may that this be his will and we say amen.
>> Amen. >> Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Thank you for this opportunity. >> Thank you, Rabbi. >> All right, agenda update. Jennifer Barker, county manager. >> Good morning, Madam Chair. Commissioners, there are no updates to today's agenda. >> All right, then. And moving along to minutes approval. We have September
23rd, 2025 minutes to approve. Um, Mr. Cooney, >> good morning. I have just that one set of minutes for your approval today. >> All right, >> move to approve. >> I'll second. >> All right, we have a first and second. All in favor say I. I I All right, that passes unanimously. Moving on then to
citizen question and comment period. Uh we have zoning cases. So cards that have been received for zoning cases um will come up at that time and then I believe I have two um Katrina um Nicolet's and
then Cindy Newton on public comment and then we'll check what we have on online. Um so um and just to let everyone know it's a threeinut period of time. We ask everyone adhere to that. A buzzer will go off and so we ask that you'll wrap it
up at that point. And if you're online you're going to need to press the star9 button um to virtually raise your hand and then click the raise hand button to let us know you're ready to speak. All right. So let's start with Katrina.
Hi, good morning. Um, I know this isn't on your agenda today, but I really needed to speak up and say something. I live My name is Katrina Knuckles and I live at 30835 Sunnydale Street in Sarrento or Mount Plymouth. Last Sunday,
our house was flooded from the flash floods. We had 4 in of water in our home, 14 in of water in our yard. Back in 2012, we came to you, Leslie, to solve a problem that we were fearing
that was going to happen. And now it has happened. Our road, we live on a non-countymaintained road. And I'm sorry that I'm so emotional about this. We live on a non-countymaintained road. We came to you in 2012. We showed you
pictures. We showed you everything of the damage that the water is doing to our road. We asked for help then for a special assessment to get our roads paved. And you Leslie wanted the community support. We were the only one that got flooded this last weekend. So
now we are having to pick up the pieces and take care of our house. I'm not asking for government help with that. I'm asking for a solution for the drainage in our home or around our house. You have allowed another subdivision to come in and build on the
old Mount Plymouth golf course. They have done nothing but bring truckloads and truckloads and truckloads of dirt out. And it has flowed into other people's property and flooded our home where we sit. you guys last year,
December of 2024, and I understand if a if a ambulance gets stuck or a firetruck gets stuck, so you have to do something, which is what happened, but you're just what the county did was brought in 10 truckloads and just put us back in a
deeper hole. And I am tired of it. Something has to give. So, I encourage you to put this on your agenda and try to find a solution. make everybody pay a special assessment and get the road paved. There is no
reason why we should have any non-county maintained roads in Lake County, Florida at all. >> There's my piece. Thank you. >> You >> and I'm going to at least try to address a few things and first of all tell you that I'm really sorry that you're going
through that. Um, and I can at least try to give a little context to the special assessment process. The reason why my response would have been that we have to have community support is that we're not
allowed by law to assess other people to pay for things if >> Okay, I'm I'm and I just want to I'd just like to set the record straight, but we're not going to go back and forth. Um, we literally can't assess people on a road unless they
participate. And I'll ask if the county attorney could at least talk about that a little bit because it's not a decision I personally made. It's a decision that I have to follow the rules and the procedures and the policies.
>> Correct. In order to do to bring a non countymaintained road into the maintenance system, even if it's publicly dedicated, it has to meet minimum widths. So what has to happen for a special assessment under our current code is that 80% of the property owners who own 80% of the frontage of
the road that's going to be paved has to sign the petition. That petition then comes to the public works department. They verify that there's a minimum 50-ft width. If there's not a minimum 50 foot width, then we have to go back to those property owners and they would have to deed enough width to have 50 feet. 50
feet is necessary in order to do the paving and accommodate for the drainage. Otherwise, when you pave it, all that drainage is going to run off onto the adjoining property owners. Um, this is an old plat. There may be 50 feet there. I'm not sure. But if we can get 80% of
the the owners to sign that petition, it then comes to the board for a public hearing. And at that point, the board would determine how much of the assessment the board is willing to fund. The code allows you to fund up to 50% of the assessment. And then the remaining 50% would then be just um parcled out
usually by um lot frontage on the road to the remaining property owners. If those property owners don't pay that assessment amount within 30 days of being invoiced, it then goes on their tax bill and it becomes part of their tax assessment for a maximum of up to 10 years. Um so that is the process that we
have. We cannot legally just go in and pave a road um if it's not currently in the county maintenance system. And again, we have to make sure it has um sufficient rightway width. Um this has been a problem with these old plats because this is the Mount Plymouth area.
So I think this was a 1912 plat. Roads were typically not brought into county maintenance back in those those time frames. We have a similar issue with Aster as well, which was a 1918 plat. and folks up there that would like their roads brought into the maintenance system. So, that is the process that we currently have available for special
assessments. >> And I can certainly say because a lot of these old plats are in um District 4, um in my perfect world, there would be no unmaintained roads in Lake County. Um but we know what it costs to
pave the roads that and and manage and maintain the roads that are in the maintenance system. So, as we go forward and have discussions about, you know, those roads, I think that we need to continue to look at ways that we can address non-maintained roads. It's just
that it's a it's a monumental financially. It's, you know, we know that like our capital improvement program, if we were to get all of our roads capital needs up to snuff, it would be like somewhere in the $800 million range, and that's in the maintenance system. So if you add all of
the unmaintained roads that are dirt roads and clay roads or any combination of you know semi-paved millings roads, it's you're talking millions and millions of dollars. So I wish it was an easier fix. Um, but I
would ask since we have Bobb's here if Bobby could go out and take a look at this particular location and brainstorm with the hydraologist and the um engineers and just see if there's something other than a full paving of the road, some other drainage um
improvement that could be used to try to convey water so it's not going uh into their home. in this on the special assessment topic. I mean, have we explored that? I mean, that's I'm obviously with me and Tim are new here, so like is that something that comes up once in a while? Because
>> I'm totally I mean, they seem like they're open mind. Maybe the neighbors are obviously with everything that's happened in the last 30 days, there might be a lot of interest in it. Maybe we I mean, I don't >> getting asked a lot about it. >> Yes, there's no funding in it right now
as I understand it. Currently there are um four projects submitted for special assessments. Um they have not completed their petition numbers. Um but even if they were to complete, you know, get the the 80% of the the folks to sign to move it forward, there is no there's
currently no funding for any special assessment program. So it would be up to the board. you would have to allocate some amount of funding whether it and in the past you've talked about maybe adding one project per district per year and some set amount of funding. Um but those are things that you would have to
decide as a policy decision and then if you were to do it that way then you would have to rank those projects and decide which one would get funded. >> And when you say get funded I mean the assessments are future assessments. So you're talking about we have limited dollars now versus the future. >> Correct. So, so the way the assessment
works is the county upfronts the payment to do the work and then whatever percentage gets passed along to the residents usually gets divided on their tax bill for up to 10 years. >> That's 50%. So, we pay 50% up front. >> You you can choose you pay.
>> I mean, but they'll pay 50 over the top. >> Well, that's that's your discretion. You can do up to 50%. So there may be some situations where property owners agree to pay 100% or you pay 25% but you can do per the code up to 50% where you pay
that out of of general fund money. >> I'm very in favor of exploring that option. Uh also you know generally I think I respect the super high 80% threshold but we don't I mean that's our code that none of that is statute right that's all 100% good ordinances. >> Correct. You could change that. It it
>> that was just recently changed. that was recently changed. And the reason for that is because um at the time it was changed there was um the idea that that people did not want to we did not want to force people to pay an assessment if
majority or slightly less than majority did not want the road paved. There are people that do not want to be on county maintained roads. >> Yes. And so it moved to 80 from what number? >> Uh I believe it was 51%. I get why 51's controversial, but 80 is like ridiculously high. I think it should be
like a 60 or something. >> And just because you haven't been in those hearings, um you will get the 20% for example that will come in and they will literally be in tears that they do not want to be forced to pay something that they are, you know, they're being
forced by the government to pay. So it gets very emotional. Um, so you know, the o only other option is you create a priority list and you just start working down the list and you're you're using the rest of all of the taxpayers of Lake
County to to put improvements in areas that people purchased homes that didn't have those improvements to begin with. So that gets extremely controversial. >> I totally agree and I can see that. Uh, I don't want to go way off on a tangent here, but I'm just curious. Is there
anything in the law right now that when somebody buys a home that they have notice other than their own due diligence, just that the road in front of their house has no government entity maintaining it whatsoever? I mean, is that something that anywhere in law >> it's a due diligence issue? You can tell
from the the the road signs that are up. >> If it's county maintained, the road signs are a certain color, have county logo on it. If they're unmaintained, I think they're typically white and will say unmaintained. If you have no road sign, it's probably not countymained. Um, dirt roads such as these are
typically not countymaintained. So, I mean, there are there are things that would give somebody the indication that they're not countymained, but no, there's nothing legally that um requires a seller to disclose whether it's maintained or not. It's a due diligence issue. >> And I don't, you know, is there some
other step the county could go to to make it even more clear? I mean, if somebody doesn't if you get a title search and there's something recorded that says this is a unmaintained plat or something like that. I mean, I
it's just a really um the these are really difficult >> problem, >> but I'm totally openminded to special assessment and and and allowing that to go forward um especially in these really precarious, really dangerous uh situations. So,
>> well, keep keep in mind we also have um how many miles worth of clay roads that our county maintained >> that also need to u at some point. >> Yeah, I've got a bunch up in um Carlton Village area. >> A lot in district 3, too. >> We get complaints about those and that
is a a maintenance cost over the years. It probably would have paid for itself by now if they had been paid. >> Probably that's what part of that 700 million that we were talking about >> that we're behind on. >> And >> no, that's not in there. That's not in there at all. >> No. >> No, it's not even in there.
>> No. So, you have your >> But the 700, but it would free up it would free up money that we could do that. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And Madam Chairman, just again, obviously, I'm not an engineer, but just looking at the plat because it is an old plat, there's no place to put storm water ponds short of buying out
residents and creating storm water ponds. So, that's the other thing the hydraologist hydraologist and public works would have to determine is if they did go in there and they could do something with the drainage, where is the water going to go? because it would have to be pumped or conveyed somewhere. Obviously, we can't convey it to
somebody else's private property. So, that's another another issue with these old plats. It's another issue with Aster as well. >> Yeah. One of the ideas I had in Aster was if we had homes that repeatedly flooded that that maybe we could seek
FEMA grants if they were willing to, you know, have th those properties purchased by the county and then we could use those lots for retention areas. Um, but that would just that would take time to do. you know, that wouldn't be like an
overnight fix, but you'd have to have people that were willing to participate. Okay. All right. Um, let's see. We have Cindy Cindy Newton. And if the Knuckles would want to go out
into the atrium, um would would Bobby perhaps be willing to go or Jordan or someone from engineering that could have a conversation with them and maybe set up a time to go out to the property.
If you're if you're willing to to talk to them, Um Cindy Good morning, Cindy Newton, District 4. Uh I've been looking into some of the flooded areas and I've been mapping some of them. One of the common denominators
in most of these areas is the failure of the retention ponds. and what also appears to be poorly designed systems and unmaintained systems. I was in Leburg when Sunday's rain began. On the drive home, Eustace' streets were
already compromised with water intrusion. Now, elevated development on Orange Avenue was already flooding out an entire intersection. Most retention ponds were already full and fields were holding water.
Um, when I got to Estie's Road, which I live off of, water was across it in one normal spot that always has water holding on it. But there was a new one and it was a new development being built. When I got down to it, the water
was rushing out of that subdivision because it's been elevated quite a bit down the road and flooding out SD road going out in both directions into a county uh unincorporated property and also a
fairly new development that's on the other side of it that's also city. So, since this my property is affected by this one with the retention ponds uh to the northwest, I drove up in there to look at the
retention pond, see how they were doing because it was one that I opposed. The retention pond on the south side wasn't even covered on the bottom. The retention pond on the north had two to three inches of rain in it. When I got
home, I looked at my rain gauge. five inches of rain had fallen. So all this compromise was happening far before we got 19 inches of rain. We need to do better. Um
some agencies you know are changing regulatory requirements. The these appear to fall into three main areas and the rules are more restrictive. Existing ERPs are exempt from the changes. projects will require larger storm water facilities, more land, more robust
filter systems that remove nitrogen and phosphorus. I expect more changes to be coming as well. The counties and the cities can begin to rewrite the regulations for this because some are already coming on board. Some of these changes only go
into effect when the St. John's permits are adopted. So, you've still got time even with some of the the um developments that have been approved to be able to go ahead and make some of these changes on these
properties. But the cities and the counties are going to have to work together on this. And I'm also hoping that we can put more of a better implement of how to maintain these ponds.
So, thank you for your time. Um and we have one more card. Um just be before um we move to the next card. Just a couple comments and we can talk about this later. I was going to bring it up under my report and we it can elaborate more but we have already talked about
the fact that we were going to move forward with some modifications um workshop on drainage and so forth and flood planes even though Senate Bill 180 has not been um amended to allow us to make new regulations. But we would get those in place and then hopefully
the amendment to that Senate bill will be made and then we'll be able to implement. Um but the one thing that keep I keep coming back to is um the idea that storm water management should take into account surrounding conditions
in the entire basin basically and what um if you've got extreme conditions like slopes that that should be a part of a design. And right now it kind of feels like it's a one-sizefits-all. And even though the district, the water management district rules have been
enhanced to the accommodate retention for a 500year storm, it's um it's it's these off-site conditions that seem to be what is ignored under current regulations. And maybe Commissioner Pars can elaborate more on that, but it just
seems like especially in in in like Mount Dora used to serve slopes. I know you have that in South Lake County as well. And if you're not taking into account things like that, the velocity of the water coming off of other properties, properties that are older developed properties that don't have
retention, all of those things go into play. And then the ultimately the cumulative effects um on downstream properties. It just doesn't seem to be what our water management rules in the state of Florida um address now. And I just think Lake County ought to take the lead. And I think this is the perfect
time for the cities to be willing to sign on to a um you know a countywide um ordinance that both cities and county use the same regulations. >> Yeah, I was going to say I I the new the
new storm water criteria which actually takes effect December 28th. Um, some of that's applicable now though to some new some of the new projects that are coming through depending upon when they submitted which is a huge step up for both quantity and quality of of
treatment and storm water systems. But um part of it also is and we're bringing this this has come up at Ford Association of Counties uh as well as um some of the environmental permitting networks is um HOAs uh the failure of HOAs in a lot of cases. Um many HOAs uh
never budget for reserves. Um so they don't have enough money much to take care of the roads much less a a storm water system than that will blow out at some point if it's not maintained properly. So, there's that issue to address, but to your point, I think we could go above and beyond, particularly
in some of the areas uh where you have some of the higher slopes and depends kind of on the soils and how much runoff there is, but um maybe looking at some of those areas to to keep more open um for storage uh and these freak storm events that we seem to be getting more of now. So, yeah, that that's something
we should definitely look at as soon as possible, I think. >> Yeah. Good. Yeah, the whole HOA um maintenance issue is front and center over near my house and Cindy's house where the neighborhood had the bridge that's failed and that was an HOA um you know infrastructure although the county
or the um the the city has their >> has a force main and a water man there um and electricity that is >> runs through that area. Um, so they're having to figure out how to work together. The fact that you've got private infrastructure that's owned by
the HOA and then you've got city uh public infrastructure that's intertwined. So yeah, and I just read some things about you know the maintenance side of it that um it might have been the result of of um you know the fact that it wasn't being maintained. Now, I always thought the
water management district was on top of that was the one the entity that checked to make sure these things were being maintained. >> I mean, not to there's only so many of them. So, no, it's it's I mean, imagine thousands and thousands of HOAs that
have these systems are supposed to maintain. I mean, they may audit I don't know the procedures internally, but maybe they pick a few out, but there's there's only so many of them as well. So um but I tell you what concerns me is you take Treasure Trove for example. I mean we got involved in that and there
is there is an issue there. >> So it you look at St. John's like they they are the ones that are going to bless everything and they've looked at everything. I'm concerned they're not. So, do I I hate to say it, but we need to hire somebody like D.VO to look at
every project that goes on to see if it's if it's done right or wrong because I know we don't have staff and we rely on St. John's to do it. So, that that is a concern of mine >> and that's where I think enhanced um requirements would come into play. >> Totally. >> Um because then you would know that
you've taken it a step beyond what the state of Florida is requiring. >> Yeah, I totally agree with that. the enhanced I know we're going to talk about this at a workshop, but I'm I'm fully supportive of the enhanced criteria flood planes analysis. What areas might flood? Go back to historical
areas. We'll see places that were flooded in the 40s and 50s and are completely dry now. Let's go to, you know, we did this last year. I think we looked at it once, but let's continue to do that and enhance the criteria on top of St. John's. Yeah.
And we got to remember that we have the Lake County Water Authority who is also now over our storm water. So maybe they can pitch in and use some of their funding to take care of some of this and maybe even use their uh personnel to
check and make sure that our um retention ponds are up to snuff. >> That's a good source. That's countywide. >> Okay. Um Charlie um Wooloft Wool. >> There you go.
>> You're up. Is this for the zoning case though or Okay. Um we'll have to wait till we get to zoning. Um All right. Um but it doesn't say which one, but I'm thinking it's got to be number four. Number four. Okay. All
right. Do we have anyone online? Okay. Moving along then. Um, we have our clerk of courts consent agenda. >> Good morning again. I have three items in my consent agenda for your approval. >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I.
>> All right. Passes 50. Moving then to the county commission consent agenda tab 3 through six. Do we have a motion for approval? >> Move to approve. Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. That passes unanimously. Moving then
to our public hearings and resonings. Um when we get to each case, I'll ask whether anyone has had exparte communications that they need to disclose for purposes of the record.
>> Do you want to do that on each case or on all of them? Um if I guess we can just we can go ahead and do disclosures right now if because we don't have we don't have anything on consent. Everything looks to be on regular agenda.
So do you want to go through them? >> I I haven't had any exparte with it with with any of these cases. >> I've had some um exparte contact uh via email on um opposition. >> All right. I have not had any
>> I have not had any Crescent Pines. I've received some emails and respond to one or two. I got um a handful last night that I didn't get a chance to respond to yet, but um that's been my only communication on that case. >> Well, I think we're all getting emails. >> Yeah,
>> that's those are in the record. Um Commissioner, >> nothing outside the record. >> Okay. All right. Mike Fitzgerald. >> Thank you, Chairman, commissioners. Good morning. For the record, Mike Fitzgerald, the office of planning and zoning director. We have four items on our agenda today. We have future land
use resoning, conditional use permit, and in an additional reasonzoning. These items have been advertised in accordance uh with Florida statute. And I'm happy to open the meeting with the first agenda item. This is >> say one thing at the beginning of this.
I'm I remember this one quite well. I'm thinking maybe if we just say what what's changed or whatever it would probably be quicker. >> Yes. >> Okay. I don't know if you guys the same way. Feel like this was ju this just was in front of us. That's why I feel like we don't need a full full bird's eye versus you know what changed between now
and last meeting two meetings ago. >> So in the interest of speed uh agenda items one and two are companion ordinances for a future land use change and reszoning. Uh this is to first agenda item is to amend the future land use on approximately 12 acres from rural
to industrial. This item was approved unanimously by the planning and zoning board. The location is 26034 County Road 448. Uh this is to facilitate a development of a 40,000t warehouse, 8,000t truck
shop, 2,000t office, and a trucky yard. Uh the board may recall that this is was before the board uh previously and a request was made for the applicant to verify that uh the traffic assessment was correct. They have submitted a
traffic analysis stating that is a de that there is a dimminimous impact. That's the change. They they're saying 34 trips AM peak, 30 trips PM peak hour and the reasonzoning is a reszoning of 12 acres from agriculture to planned
industrial district to facilitate this development. >> So I'm the one that was harping on the traffic impact for a um stage one traffic uh traffic impact study on it. Um I'm
I'm glad that they they went ahead and did it. I know that this area is all um slated for industrial even even down Jones Road. It's all industrial up and down the area. So with that, I'll make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. And I don't see any cards.
Just making sure that we don't have anyone on this tab one and tab two here. If you're here for that, would you raise your hand? >> Okay. All right. >> Discussion. This is this is a perfect example of with the wetlands on here that we really need to make sure that
they have the storage capacity that they need and they I mean at this point they will have to comply with the St. John's River water management rules and as of December those will be enhanced a 500year storm. Not sure if they're moving how quickly they're moving along
but I agree couldn't agree with you more. All right. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? All right. Moving then to tab three. This is the tower case. >> Did we do one and two together? Is that what >> I thought we did. Did we not do one and
two together? >> One and two together. >> Perfect. Just making sure. >> Yeah, that's the way I understood the motion in the second. >> Thanks. >> Uh, next agenda item is uh FL1878 Leburg Tower conditional use permit. The
requested action is a conditional use permit on approximately 12.62 acres for 154 foot monopine communication tower with a waiver request to the land development regulations to allow the proposed tower to be constructed off center within the boundaries of the
parent parcel. The planning and zoning board voted unanimously to recommend approval. The location is southwest of Forest Lake Road and Eagle Point Court in the unincorporated Leburg area. The concept plan depicts the placement of the lease
area compound to be located approximately 59 ft from the western boundary line with the tower itself to be a minimum of 100 ft from the western boundary line. 6,400 square foot lease area uh will require an access utility easement and a 20 foot wide uh gravel
access drive. and the access will need some uh enhancement to the easement that is existing. Proposed construction will be outside of the the flood hazard area. The fire department had no objection to this proposal. The proposal is consistent
with setbacks and separation between towers. Lake County Fire Station is located 1 uh7 miles from the subject property. I'm happy to answer any questions and I believe the applicant is here as well. >> All right. is the any questions for
staff? Um, and I believe this is the applicant applicant's representative. Good morning. I'm Maniah John, 935 Main Street, Sweet C4, Safety Harbor, Florida 34695. And just as a bit of housekeeping, I did
submit a PowerPoint presentation over before and I also have a copy on hand if that's not handy. >> I don't I don't believe we have a PowerPoint. Do you have a USB? >> I do have a copy on USB. >> Okay, we can load it up for you, but I
apologize. All right, commissioners. I apologize for the delay. If I do sound rushed today, it's because I know that you do have a full agenda. So, I will try to move as quickly as possible. while covering all my bases. Um, so as you heard, I come before you today with uh
planning and zoning board recommendation of approval for a conditional use uh to construct 150t tall monopine style communication tower. And that's on parcel 121925001 000045
or 47500. And this property is wooded lands. The actual conditional use is fairly bread and butter because we're not asking for any variances. We are asking for one waiver though that is to move the tower
to the northwest portion of the property which moves it away from existing homes. So your future land use designation or your zoning is R6 and I've applied a purple arrow to where the communication
tower would be. You can see to the north there is a future uh subdivision that would be constructed. There are no existing houses in that direction for quite some distance. It's to the east um towards the lake where there's existing houses that we're being sensitive to.
Um even once constructed this will take and meet the required separation that would be applicable to non-camouflage communication towers. So we are observing a higher standard than is actually applicable to this project. Future land use designation is urban
low. This is a monopine style communication tower. Some of you may have seen this before. This is a structure that is engineered to support a canopy of branches. Um and then within that branches within those branches you have a headframe supporting antennas. Um
those antennas are painted green and covered with socks. Once upon a time, we used to do flag poles, but unfortunately those are so small, there's no air flow and the antennas can't operate anymore. Uh, this is an aerial just showing the parent parcel. You can see it is wooded
and I'll be zooming in closer. You can also see the existing development. Uh, to the west is water authority owned land. This is as we get in closer and then closer. We're actually in the clearing. That small clearing on the western side
uh next to what appears to have been an old cattle pond. As you can see to the south from the canopy changes. I keep wanting to use this pointer and you would never be able to see it. I apologize for that, but you can see that it moves to wetlands as you move further south and center.
This is just sheet Z1A from the plan showing the overlay and it just shows um the site. It shows the tower in the northwest corner of the parent parcel. The monopine will be designed per your code to be shared. That prevents um that
limits the overall number of towers in the community and in the county because that way you don't end up with something where you have a T-Mobile tower, a Verizon tower, an AT&T tower. Uh similarly your code requires us to show that there are no existing towers that
can that currently exist that we can colllocate upon that can be shared. We've submitted an RF record or RF packet in the record showing that there are no tall structures or communication towers available. And as you can see the purple arrow is
where T-Mobile will be. They're colllocated at the top. There's um three teal uh arrows below. Those are the um those are the collocations they'll be designed for. The base will be fenced and secured. I have photo simulations. Uh my first
one is from Goose Creek looking south. You can see that the monopine takes contextual cues from the surrounding canopy and works quite well with that. Then we have Tropical Islands looking southwest. You can see it's completely obscured. Eagle Point Court looking west about 15
almost 1,600 feet away completely obscured by the pine canopy and then Golden Tree Drive looking west and you can see it's tucked into that pine canopy. This is the RF package on file and this shows T-Mobile's coverage. Green is reliable and yellow is unreliable. And
basically this is just like building out uh the cellular industry faces the same challenge that our local governments face as more people move to Florida. We need more cellular network to support the traffic just like how we're always struggling with uh road networks and
such and that's what this is. So you can see that it provides coverage uh down along primarily to our residential areas to the east. This is also uh your planning and zoning board. We had some members of the public
who commented about um experienced connection strength. Uh so we thought this would be helpful just for the public certification and for everyone. Um this is a measured signal map showing the actual strength from the devices
connecting to T-Mobile's network uh in the area. And this actually includes a tower that was added in the Grand Island area recently. and we didn't have that data in time for the October meeting. You can see that in the northeast corner and you can see we still don't have um
that green reliable signal strength. The red is unreliable and that just shows traffic density. Um I would remind everyone that the cellular network is part of Florida's E911 system. So, this serves an important public purpose um as an
essential service. Um down in um Orange County, roughly 89% of all 911 calls, I might be thinking Hillsboro County, uh come from wireless numbers. So, with that, I am available for any questions
that you may have. I also have Jason Pauly with T-Mobile available should you have any questions about T-Mobile's need. And um I reserve time for rebuttal. Thank you. >> All right. Anybody have questions at this point? Um we just have one speaker
card and this is uh Gary Weep King. >> Good morning. My name is Gary Weepking. I live at 160 Formos Island Road, Leburg, Florida 34788. I have one question to the applicant. is I was I googled recently and I've talked
to a few people in regards to the distance that a tower should be from a residents. I heard maybe 1,600 ft. I'm not sure that she had mentioned, but 1640 ft if you Google it is what they recommend as a safe distance. That's been a concern a lot of the neighbors in
the community itself is the distance and I think that should be taken in consideration. Most of these towers that I've seen in the past are usually on a main highway or not necessarily right into a community itself. That's a pretty rural area as you could see on the map. And that was another point. I'm not sure
if they did a wildlife survey or study um or an environmental to find out because there's a lot of wildlife in that area. Not only bears, but there's been a Florida panther that's been seen and we've got plenty of gopher turtles. I'm not sure if they've done anything
with the wildlife. I looked at their package and I didn't see anything. So, that's a good concern. I did talk to a biologist with WF FWC that handles the uh gopher tortoises and he said he's not heard from them. So, those are questions that I have that I hope you folks would
consider as well. Thank you. >> All right. Um, you want to make any responses and answer any other questions? >> Absolutely. Matt and I John again um just to start off as a point of housekeeping I would be remiss if I did
not put into the record the Telecom Act of 1996 um which basically says that decisions upon about communication towers cannot be made based on any perceived environmental effects of RF emissions. Uh our questions at the local government
level is um does T-Mobile comply with the FCC which Mr. Pauly um Mr. Pauly um I apologize I could use more coffee at this point. He testified back in October
that uh T-Mobile does comply with FCC requirements. He also testified for the purpose of the public's edification that the public is safe at the compound fence. Um anyways, moving on to other items such as environmental impacts. Of
course, this land is uh zoned R six. So, it's not conservation land. It could be developed, but getting to things like gopher tortoises. That's something that will come up in your site plan review. Your environmental staff will go through. Um, and I'm currently working
with them on a site plan for a tower off of Hall Road. And your staff has been very zealous over the past year and a half that we've been going through your site plan review. So, I'd respectfully submit that's a question that's proper for um for site plan review. At our
level, I would respectfully submit that we do meet all the requirements of your land development code and that the use is proper to vest upon the property. And I would ask you to approve this. I am available for any questions you may have and again Mr. Paulie is available for any questions.
>> Um just one question you had mentioned before about um the waiver location was to get it further away from homes or was it because our rule would be center of the property or is is the reason you're doing that because that's where your uplands are located or is what's what's
the basis for that location? um match John again and it is a mix of trying to stay away from existing houses, right? Because they were there first, so trying to show sensitivity, but it also avoids
wetlands. So, and this particular spot has the additional benefit of being an already cleared spot. We can go cut down trees if there's a different location that the county would prefer, but it just happens to all work together. where we're being. >> Yeah, I was impressed with those
pictures that show it in relation to the trees and it's probably the first time I've ever seen a tower >> blended, right? >> Blended. Yeah. That it actually blended and it >> Yeah, it looks like a real tree. Um so I thought that was, you know, that's
certainly beneficial in this context. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um we don't >> What's that? Do Oh, we have someone online. Thank Yes, we do have one online. Uh, last name is Jensen. You should be able to unmute your mic. Please state your name for the record and then give your comments to the
board. >> Hi, can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. Um, this my name is Lette Jensen. I'm in District 3. I apologize for not being there in person. I'm actually currently in bed sick. Um, but this was very important to me, so I
still was able to log in. Um, I was also in opposition for this tower along with Mr. Gary. Uh there's some things that the applicant uh mentioned but didn't continue to mention fully. Um the FCC law that she mentioned was based on 1996
based on a study that was done in 1982. So the safety standards that were imposed from 1982. You would have to uh think that our technology has come a long way. So those are outdated and should not um while they do
say that we cannot um regulate bus and environmental there is a small stipulation there that does allow local government uh to be able to dictate the distance where it is built the location and the like. So we are not
or you all are not powerless and your hands are not bound. Um you can dictate third certain things uh to regulate the placement, construction and modification of the proposed tower and to demand compliance with regulations related to historic preservation, endangered
species and natural resource protection. Um I am quite disappointed that the applicant did not pursue the wildlife uh thing because that is a big concern. One endangered species or protected species that has not been mentioned is bald
eagles. We have bald eagles in the vicinity and bald eagles as you all know are a protected species um and we have regulations, sorry I sound all funny. Um that state that um
bald eagles or gold eagles cannot be taken. Um and by taken they mean pursue, shoot, shoot at, poison, wound, kill, capture, trap, collect, molest or disturb. And disturb is further defined as agitated or bother a bald or golden eagle to a degree that causes or is
likely to cause based on the best scientific information available injury to an eagle. Decrease in its productivity by substantially interfering with normal breeding, feeding and sheltering behavior or nest abandonment by substantially interfering with normal breeding, feeding or sheltering behavior. Uh the definition
also covers the effects that results from humaninduced alterations like this initiated around a previously used nest site. So for example, if the bald eagles aren't there right now, but it could cause them to not come back to their nest. That is not allowed. It would be a violation of the act. On top of that,
the safety um I I don't know if you guys remember me, I was there to oppose the R2 to R six. um our water supply, even though it says that the firefighters have uh not opposed this, our fire hydrants because US water is is actually
not in compliance by the Department of Environmental Protection with upkeeping the water uh source resources to us. The closest fire hydrant uh would be on Eagle Court. Um but they do not have a backup generator. they they do not have
all the necessary things that uh needs to be done to properly service that. So if this were to fall and go into flames because it is surrounded by forested area, it would impose a lot of danger to the residents of Golden Tree and Eagle Court because like I mentioned before, we haven't won in and one out to our
neighborhood. If this were to caught fire um and it were to block us off, that could be very dangerous. And we have a chief, a fire chief, retired fire chief in our neighborhood that has stated this because especially with the wild uh wildfires that we had in um in
California and we've had throughout here in Florida. I know this year there was some drought. That is something to consider because we want to make sure that our safety is insured. We have children, we have elderly people here. It's not a 55 plus residential community
in Golden Tree and Eagle Court. We have young families with young children. Um, on top of the health concerns, uh, the World Health Organization and multiple safety things have recommended the 500 meter distance from homes or 1,640
ft. Um, I know that also uh, property values can be altered and there's all these things that need to be taken into consideration. So, I would call for you guys to please um postpone this so that those studies can
be done so we can have more reassurance. From the location where uh T-Mobile was specifying, the closest house is >> Okay, I'm going to need to cut you off. The buzzard went off and I was we were trying to ring it one more time, but um we appreciate your comments. We've just
got to adhere to our rule consistently. >> So, Madam Chairman, if I can just interject for a minute. Um I I know the issue of wildlife permits, environmental permits, those things have come up by the residents today, but I just want to remind the board that under 125.022,
the county cannot require as a condition of processing or issuing a development permit or order that an applicant obtain a permit or approval from any state or federal agency. So that is not something you can take into consideration today. >> It doesn't say they won't have to get their permits. It just means that we can't
>> we cannot make them get it before we issue an order. Correct. Okay. >> Okay. All right. Any any rebuttal and then we'll wrap it up. >> Um, so Matt, John, again, of course, I would draw your attention back to the
Telecom Act. Um, the FCC did re-evaluate its safety guidelines in 2020. Um, I don't have the rule number memorized, but they sustained their uh safety standards because underneath all of
this, these are FM walkie-talkies. They just have computers strapped to them. Uh, water supply. The monopine is designed with fall zone technology. So, it's a steel structure. There's not a whole lot of flammable going on there.
And it's also within a compound that is traffic cabinet sized uh traffic signal sized cabinets on concrete pads. Um but the monopole or the monop pine would fold over upon itself and be contained almost exclusively within the compound.
Um you've seen this type of technology before. It's used on the interstate system. I usually pull a memory from 2004 when Hurricane Charlie came through. I grew up in Sarasota and along I75, it came right up Kings Highway. All
those lamp posts were folded over at the same height um at the interstate exit and that was to keep the travel lanes clear. So, you're not looking at a situation where this would fall over into the woods and cause a calamity or anything like that. Um
property values, you know, that's we've gone over and above the objective standards of your code. Uh if you do feel it's necessary, I do have a property value study letter for another APC site, but I would draw you back to the fact that we have the
safeguards that you have put in place to ensure compatibility and in turn ensure property values are protected have been exceeded in this situation. So I would respectfully request that you um grant approval. Um and I'm available for any
questions that you may have. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, yeah, just one observation I made in relation to the um, concerns over wildlife is that actually that location that they selected would is far less impactful from the standpoint of not having clear
other wooded areas and and impact potentially wetlands. So, it's just one thing to an observation is that it actually does probably mitigate impacts on wildlife and on natural resources. Yeah, I know there's concern over the uh
the bald eagles nest. So, I just checked online. You can go to Autobon or Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. They both have GIS mappers and keep track of active nest. LA 144 is more than 666 feet 660 ft further away. So, I
really appreciate the concern over the eagles. We want to make sure that's done right. That's quite a distance. the facts, it looks like it's probably more like a thousand feet away at least from that. So, um to the gentleman that was and the lady that was um concerned about
bald eagles. So, um that should be addressed, should be taken care of. Yeah. >> Could Mike, could I have you back up here, please? >> If I'm understanding right, we're moving from the uh center of the property to the edge of the property, but we're still maintaining all the current
setbacks. >> That's correct. >> Okay. I must also remind um the commission that um you know some of the conversation today was about how close the tower is to residences. Um right now currently we two blocks to the north of
us there's a communication tower on Alfred Street and Texas Avenue. Um four miles to the east there's another communication tower um with no adverse effect. So, um
seeing that it meets all the setbacks by planning and zoning and that we're going to um do a monopole that frankly I'm not sure. I've never seen a do depiction like that before.
It almost looked like you took a picture of a pine tree and just put it into pine trees. So, good job on that. Um, and with that, I'd like to make a motion to approve. Second. >> All right. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. Any oppose? All right. That passes unanimously. Thank you for that
information. Um, all right. Moving ahead then to our last case, which is um tab four. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you, chairman. For the record, Mike Fitzgerald, Office of Planning and Zoning Director. Agenda item number four is entitled Crescent
Pines Reszoning. The requested action is to reszone approximately 40 acres from urban residential R six to planned unit development to facilitate a residential subdivision consisting of 85 dwelling units. The planning and zoning board uh voted unanimously to recommend approval
of this item. The location is the northwest corner of PB Road and Log House Road in the unincorporated Claremont area. The applicant is requesting a resoning to PUD with a density of 2.22 22 dwelling units per acre and a maximum
impervious surface of 60% and a minimum open space of 25%. There is a required right ofway dedication of 1.65 acres along log house and pre road uh which will take place as part of the site plan approval if we get
that far. The lots have a minimum minimum area of 7500 square feet with a minimum width of 75 feet. The city of Claremont has reviewed this and approved it for uh consistency with
the JPA regulations. Sunshine Utilities has provided a letter as verification that they can serve the water utility needs and the applicant has stated that they will construct a distributed wastewater system for the sewer capacity.
school system has uh Lake County schools has reviewed this for the capacity determination and they have determined that capacity is available. Lake County Fire Station number 109 is 1.4 miles from the subject property. Transportation review has has been done
and it has been determined that the impact for surrounding roadways is dimminimous. An environmental assessment will be submitted with any uh subdivision construction plan and we will review it at that time. The applicant is here to answer any questions and I am happy to answer any
questions. >> All right. Any questions before we hear from the applicant? Um, let me just double check on something though. The land use on the comprehensive plan on the future land use map is that that's urban low.
>> The land use is urban low. That is correct. >> And what is the maximum density on urban low? >> That is four up to four units per acre in urban low. >> Okay. The current zoning is R six. What is the maximum zoning on R six or the
maximum >> R sixensity? >> R six allows up to six units per acre, but in this case they would be limit limited to the four because of the land use. >> Okay. And just one more question. And the reason that they're not just filing
a plat is because the lot number exceeds the minimum. >> The lot number exceeds 50 units. It has to come in as a planned unit development. Yes. >> Okay. All right. But if they were staying under that number, it wouldn't come before us. It would just
automatically be could be platted. >> According to our regulations, if they built 49 homes, they could move forward with a preliminary plat subdivision construction final plat without a public hearing. >> Okay. All right. Um the applicant, any
any other questions? Um, and now we'll call on the applicant. >> Good morning. Chuck Hayyatt, 902 North Sinclair Avenue, Tavaris with Half Engineering. Um, I'm glad you just brought that up because that's really
all I was going to say is is we we agree with planning and zoning. We want your support for this. This is kind of a infill as we see it. It's already zoned. It's already got land use. And the only reason we're here is because
we're over 50 lots. And the minimum lot size, we did 75 ft because that's Claremont's JPA. So, we kind of met everything that Claremont requires in their code, which exceeds your code. For instance, road widths 24 feet with two
feet curb gutter. That's Claremont. Yours is only 20 feet. With that, I'll answer any questions you may have. Um would your client be willing to go to the enhanced rate uh storm water rules that go into effect in December of this year per the water
management district? >> We cannot have permits by the end of December. Uh so yes, whatever rules are in place come the end of the year we have to meet. Another thought I had after our prior discussion is would your client be willing to allow language to be added to this ordinance that would
require maintenance of that storm water system and impose you know in enforcement uh should they not do so. >> That language is usually included in your St. John's permit for HOA you know type thing. So I mean
>> but I don't think it gives the county I mean and I know that's a it's a policy decision but it doesn't give the county authority. I don't think it just gives the water management district authority to >> Well, they're going to be they're going to be um when St. John uses the permit
um the HOA goes now would be the one that's um on the hook to maintain it. The problem is is what happens before what we talked about before a lot of them aren't they they're never checked. I mean, what you might want to do is is if um, you know, it it'd be like a way
of um sort of making the HOA uh put reserves or some kind of a bond in place that so we're not on the hook because it's hard for us in an HOA, something blows out 10 years from now to say no, no, no, when you've got an audience, a room full of people saying, "Please help
us." Even though it's technically the HOA's fault. So, that might that might be the recommendation if you put that in um in the PUB uh ordinance language. And I don't know how the attorney would want to structure that, but
>> did you hear that, Melanie? I mean, our concern is about the HOA um maintenance that they're capable, that they do the things that they need to do in order to be able to maintain their storm water infrastructure. Um, we we could add language in here
that requires the HOA to maintain the storm water. Um, I think there is already language in here about the HOA, but we could double check that. >> Well, they will have to maintain it anyway. It's but the issue is like, will they have the money available when the if it blows out? >> I mean, I don't I don't know how we
govern that. I mean, the HOA would have to determine what that amount would be and assess appropriately. I could add general language to that effect >> just so that if they're not doing I mean if it came up and you had a homeowner that came in and said I know our HOA
isn't doing what they're supposed to do we could point to the ordinance and we could I I'm just trying to think through practically how you >> I mean practically if we had some language in there like that you could take it to code enforcement but if they don't have the money to fix the storm
water all code enforcement is going to do is levy fine. So, they're not going to have the money to pay the fines either. >> What about the bond? >> Wait, wait, >> ma'am. I'm sorry. You can't speak from there. >> We have speaker cards, so we have a
chance. We're not making a decision until we hear from residents. >> Can Can you do um could there be a performance bond that's in perpetuity? I mean, they they just have to maintain the bond every year. I I'm just throwing out ideas, but >> it's a conditional zoning. You can add that. And I guess if at some point they
can't meet it, then they'd have to bring back an amendment to it, but you could add some type of performance bond. >> Maybe basically like having insurance, you know, the HOA has to maintain they have financial obligations anyway of things. So that might be the thing to
do until I just think long term the state is going to have to come up with a way kind of like they did with condo associations where they make sure that there are reserves in place to take care of infrastructure. That's the responsibility of that neighborhood. Yeah, but until then maybe this is our SC stop gap, you know, measure that we
would require a bond stay in place for >> on the on the DWTS. The HOA is going to be responsible for collecting the money and paying. >> Is that how the DWTS is going to be set up? >> It's either going to be the HOA or Sunshine or the county.
>> The MSBU. Yeah. >> Yeah. We're not we're not going to be collecting money on their Avalor. So currently our code does not allow us to use the MSBU for new subdivisions. It's only to be used for the replacement under our grant. The board would have to change the code if you wanted to collect
on behalf of new subdivisions. >> Well, how did Lake Nelly get done? >> They're doing it in house. >> They're doing it and this is an issue because it's it's some of some of the same things coming up with that and the D would prefer talk to them personally. they would prefer the MSPU be done by
the by the county because it's the same issue of HOAs. You know what happens turning systems off doing the regular maintenance that kind of thing. So they prefer the MSBU which is a pass through for us. We don't have additional staff or anything that just passes through.
>> Yeah. We still have to m we still have to have staff to >> just Yeah. Just to correct that at some point if we continue to add every new subdivision the county manager would have to have additional staff because you have to do resolutions and things every year. >> Understood. But we have a fee for that that's built into the MS. >> Correct. And for Lake Nelly, they would
have contracted directly with on-site as the provider and on-site would get the permit and hold the permit for that subdivision and then they would have to assess as part of their HOA fees to pay for that system. >> So, we could do it on this one also.
>> Yes. If they use on-site, then yes, they would have to contract directly with the provider and then assess as part of their HOA fees, unless you want to change the code and collect on their behalf. >> I don't want to collect on their behalf. I think it's their responsibility.
>> Well, it's um it it is, but I know that's I don't want to sidetrack the this case, but the issue with that is we're the county's on the hook for uh BMAP requirement. though. >> Mhm. >> If if they don't do the if they if you leave an HOA to that, it's like a it's like now we're responsible for storm
water and whether we like it or not is the same thing goes with that. If it's not upkeep kept up or maintained, then the county gets fined eventually for not needing BMAP. So that's but >> it kind of comes full circle. So the whole reason you're doing the systems to
begin with is to protect the the the water quality to protect the aquifer to have central systems that are better than you know a septic system. So that's the reason why you would even want to have your hands in it going forward is
you want to make sure that if it's not doing what it's supposed to do that you've got the ability to make it right. So, it's just I understand you wanting to, you know, wash your hands of it and say, "Hey, that's your thing, developer. You're doing this." But at the end of the day, our goal is to be protecting
the water quality and the aquifer and making sure these systems work. >> So, if they have this system, it would take care of that. You're what you're saying is if somebody there's no mechanism unless we do it to lean a property is what you're saying.
Is that is that the I mean we would have to lean if they don't pay us. We lean the property. >> If they don't pay us it their property goes up for tax deed sale. >> Okay. If we were to include it as part of an MSBU, if it's not collected by the
county, the HOA would have to assess for it and then they would have the ability to lean the property under their restrictive covenants if a particular property owner or owners do not pay. >> Yeah. I mean, so either way, there's a lean, but I mean, it's just like
>> a city utility. >> We're just we're just inserting ourselves in this that I don't think we need to be inserting ourselves. the developer wants to develop. He has to have this system and it needs to be set up that the HOA takes care of it. >> I know, but here we are back to Spring
Ridge Estates and the bridge that collapsed. You know, that's all I'm thinking of these days is don't give it to the HOA to enforce. Let's have the ability to say you don't pay then you're going to lose your house. Basically, if you don't take care of your responsibility,
you're not going to I mean, I think you have to have that teeth and and I would be concerned that if we don't do it on on the the tax bill, then >> it you know. Oh, well. So, let's let's keep moving
along. >> I've got a question. >> Okay. >> Um, are these private or public roads? >> MSTU. So, there'll be >> MSBU. Okay. Thank you. All right, that's a good point. Okay. All right. Any other comments?
>> Just one more question. So, if right now you have the ability to get 50 lots and that's what you would get >> 49, >> but you want 85. >> That's correct. >> Okay, that's all I need to know. >> Okay.
All right. We have quite a lot of speaker cards and you certainly have your right to three minutes, but you also can let us know that the person that already spoke or someone that already spoke hit the point you wanted to make and that you just want to be clear that you support things that are
already said. It would help us move along faster. That's your prerogative. Um, but uh I'm going to start with Joy. Is it Kimes? Okay. And then after Joy, there's um
David Aken. >> I live at 108. >> Hold your microphone down, please. >> 10844 Prebby Road in um Martins's Landing. And I walk every day and I look at those
woods and I I have to get off the road when there's cars coming and um it's a private road now. it it's pretty much uh
private and we've got bobcats and uh tortoises and woodpeckers and owls and that live in the woods and I get to see those all the time and it's beautiful
and I just I it breaks my heart to see their homes being destroyed uh for Claremont is growing so fast and I y'all are bringing up the floodwaters
and uh I I I see problems coming and uh I just think that that um if you could delay this, if you could put it off, if you could uh do something
for the animals. I would so appreciate that. Thank you. >> The ma'am, the development you live in is you live on Crescent Ridge Cres Crescent Ridge Loop. Is that where >> No. Martins's Landing North
>> right at the end of the community. >> How long's that been there? >> 1990s at least. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right, next speaker is David Aken and then
Charlie. My name is David Aken. I live at 10929 Prebby Road in Claremont. I'm a long-term resident of Martins's Landing. I'm retired. My home is my permanent and sole residence. I've joked that the next move that I make will be
horizontally. I'm speaking clearly and directly in opposition to this proposed development. Although it's not labeled as high density housing, it is in fact highdensity housing. It will virtually
eliminate the ver the wooded air area that has maintained the quasi rural nature of the tract and of our immediate and nearby communities and that has served as Joy mentioned as a habitat for wildlife both plant and animal. And as a result, this development is going to
adversely affect the quality of life for many people. Uh Joy mentioned the the effect on animals. There are uh in fact gopher tortoises that live in the area. There are woodpeckers. Um there's been an
incursion into the property recently. I'm not sure for what purpose, but it has destroyed at least two of the gopher uh tortois' burrows. The habitat of those that I mentioned and others will not be replaced or replicated. To say that their quality of
life will just be affected is an extreme understatement. They will be eliminated in that area. Again, to repeat, they are endangered and threatened species whose habitats will be destroyed. When I moved to my home, one of the most basic factors I considered was the quasi rural
nature of the area. I believe that was also high on the list of the other nearby residents. Why else would we have chosen to live in this area area noticeably removed from commercial and suburban sprawl? Ladies and gentlemen, we are your
taxpaying and voting cons constituents. We are surrounded within a threemile radius by other developments in progress. You have approved those developments for hundreds, I repeat, hundreds of housing units which have yet to be built, including this proposed
development uh which is argu argumentably unnecessary on a quality of life basis. Um it's just overkill. So I would ask you when when will enough be enough? When will you finally say we cannot approve this
this development? and I uh again stand in opposition to the proposed development. Thank you. >> All right. Um Charlie Woff and then Danny Cisero.
>> My name's Charlie Wyoff and I live at 10839 Crescent Ridge Loop in Claremont, Florida 34711. Uh my house is in the subdivision that runs on the uh east side of Prebby. Uh I set my backyard and I look at that
forest. I've looked at it for the last 20 years since I've been in that home. It's beautiful. It's it's just the kind of scenery that I moved from Colorado to come here and live in the warmth of Florida. Uh it's been when I moved there
there was the closest traffic light was at Hooks and 27 and now we have the light uh two more lights have been put in there but the roads are still the same. The roads will always be as far as I can tell the same two-lane road in and
out of uh Log House from Lake Shore all the way up to 561. Uh to this day we have trouble getting in and out of the neighborhood at certain times of the day because of traffic. Uh you have trash collecting day which bogs down log house or lake
shore log house road along there al also affects lake shore which is even busier. So this backs traffic up. Uh sometimes traffic is backed up from the Circle K all the way practically to log house from uh school buses or trash
collecting. This backs this impedes uh the fire department. If there's emergency vehicles that have to get in and out. This if you add 85 more homes and each house has a couple of cars, this is going to really impact the traffic. And if you can't put the cars
anywhere else on the road except the the road that goes through this area, uh people's lives are at stake. Uh the the wildlife that's been addressed. I agree with it. It's been beautiful for the last 20 years. There's really no need.
Enough is enough was a great choice of words. Let's at least see what happens with some of these others that you've already approved. Let them build. put this off for as long as we can because like I said, enough is enough. And for the safety of us people that are getting
older, if we need emergency vehicles, if we need something, get get there quick. Can't be done. You can't drive through houses. You have to stay on the roads. And I'd appreciate it if you'd turn down this uh application so that we could
remain with a high quality of life that we we all deserve. Thank you. Can I just make a comment that would be I think to the benefit of everybody. >> We are faced with the decision of giving them 85 lots where they get the 50.
Unfortunately, what some folks want, which I kind of want too, is for it to be a wooded area. Unless I'm wrong, legally that's just not on the table. They've already been granted by previous, you know, boards this entitlement. So, it's really 50 versus
85 laws. Not to make it that crass, but really that it's really that simple almost. There a few other good concerns the board brought up, but but in terms of just leaving it as a it's just not a legal possibility. So, just letting all the commentators know because I wish we had that option. We legally don't. Thank
you. >> Yeah, and I think just elaborate on that. It would be great for everybody that lives around it if it was a conservation area and it was owned by everybody that lives around it or by, you know, a nonprofit entity or the
trust for public lands or something, but it's owned by a private property owner and they do have their rights. So that's that's the rub here is that um we're not legally allowed to take away those rights. Um and so um and and that's a
basic part of our you know our American government system. They do have those rights. So that's um where we're at. So we're kind of at the additional lots versus what they already what they already have. So um with the additional
lots you get to there can be some things that are imposed that actually enhance protections. Um I'm not clear on whether they would still have to do the DWTS. They'd still have to do waste distributive even if it was platted as a
>> well >> oh they would have to do advanced um >> right if they are if their density is one unit um per one acre or more then they have to do a some sort of central
system if they can't connect to a regional system. So that would be the um enhanced or the DWTS, but then they under our code provisions they would have to have a licensed operator until such time as they could connect into a regional system. And and just to clarify the question earlier, Martin's Landing
was platted in 2004. >> And DWTS uh remember uh now in the eyes of D counts as a central sewer system. So they could either connect to Claremont or they would go to a central sewer system. So, in my mind, consistency, this is my interpretation
of the comp plan, it would require them to go to DWTS. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, Danny, um, Cisos Ceros, I'm missing a syllable, >> obviously. Uh, again, my name is Danny
Cisneros. I live uh in Martins's Landing 10922. Um, so a couple of things that have come up. uh uh you know what you mentioned Miss uh Miss Campion um about the flood waters
that kind of the first thing first thing that kind of uh came up as um as opposed to what I was thinking of speaking of earlier and that is that um our property is probably about uh maybe 15 feet below
um that area and so right now as as it is, I think it it it does um provide a bit of a buffer for flood waters to to be coming down into our area. Um so it would be really important for us to be able to look at to make sure that
however this is developed that flood waters aren't going to be flooding into our area. Um because it's already above us. So, how when they tear down all these trees um and it's just plain sand, you know, where's all that water going
to go that essentially would would have been trapped in this, you know, beautiful wooded area that we have now. Um so, please take into that into consideration. you know, the developer has the opportunity right now to make that, you know, their retention ponds a
certain size or what whatever the regulations are are, but definitely please look into how that flood water will eventually be, you know, flow and which which direction all that all that.
Um and uh so and then just one other point I'd like to make is I'm also from Colorado and um one of the things that we noticed as they're planning communities, they're always looking at some sort of central area for recreation.
So, as you're planning three, four, five neighborhoods together, there's a central area where people can have to have recreation, to ride their bikes, to go to um, you know, go for a jog or shoot some hoops or something and and I feel like some a lot of this planning,
none of that is ever taken in into consideration. It's just as many houses as we can put in there and then that's it. You know, um, what based on the rules, we can put this many houses. let's just do it. And um it'd be nice to see areas for kids, you know, think
about kids that are growing up in the area and um trying to ride their bikes and and that kind of thing. And because right now the roads are are very dangerous to if you want to ride your bike, you're going to get clipped by a by a car. So, thank you.
>> All right, Gail. >> Yes. Good morning everyone. Sorry for the earlier um outburst. Well, I'm just as passionate I think as everybody here is passionate about this subject today. So um I also am a resident. I live near
that handsome man right there um in Martins Landy. So we're directly affected by this beautiful greenery that's going to be uh torn down. And as you were uh speaking about earlier, the flood
uh concern is high. So like he said, we're completely downhill from those trees. And so I was talking to one of the representatives or applicants and I was asking him about how many if if
there's going to be pond retentions or anything to help us with that matter. And so I'm really concerned about that and hoping that it is not something that is passed to the HOA um because it's going to take them a
long time for the HOA to come up with those funds. Um they're going to begin in the negative. Sure, the escrow title will collect certain amount of money for their HOAs at the beginning, but it's going to take a long time to collect money if something happens. Um, the
builder should be responsible since they're the ones coming in and fixing and doing and building. They should have that from the beginning and understand that they're responsible for that because they're changing the zoning. They're changing um the structure of the
greenery. The other thing I would like to ask is if we could take down the homes. Um, when you said that, I was like, you're exactly spot on to what my request is today is from going to 85 to 49 homes. Um, that would allow our
neighborhoods to stay somewhat looking like a neighborhood and not like cookie cutters and not like, hey, this is just another home development. We all take pride in where we live. We all enjoy the neighborhood that we have now. And so
that is just my request is to not do 85 homes just because it's possible just because the builder will make money. Um we just ask please to take that down to at least 49 homes. That's it. So thank you for >> and I just wanted to clarify something.
They are required the builder is required to put the storm water ponds and all that infrastructure in place at the front end. we were talking about the the maintenance like later down the road when things need to be maintained or kept up in order to work who's going to
be responsible for that and that would fall in the HOA. So I just wanted to clarify that >> for that. >> Okay. >> Wanted to make sure because I know HOAs the fees are not going to be so high that they can maintain this. So to start off with it'll be very minimal. So
>> thank you. Um, >> and I and I gotta I gotta respond to something. It may be a confusion amongst the room. Um, because we've heard the 49 lots several times. >> The 49 lots was only so the developer wouldn't have to come in front of us. It
could just pass straight through. Legally, this this gentleman, he has 40 acres. He's allowed four homes per. So, he could illegally build 120 houses, but he's only asking for 85, which is 2.2. to residential units. So, I'm just
bringing that up. So, thank you very much. >> I know that you you did mention that. I know that it's been something that is said, but we're asking for just the integrity of our community and the integrity of other communities that are here that will miss. >> Understood. >> Thank you.
>> So, thank you. >> Can we just be real clear? I hate to interrupt public health. Can we just have a very brief discussion? Where where are we getting the 49 from if 120 is the legal threshold? So what happens is under our code if you are you have a
straight zoning um you have to you cannot develop it beyond 49 units without ask you would have to get a PUD in order to go beyond 49 units. It doesn't matter what >> has that been in the code?
>> Um so >> several years several years >> years that's good. But so Commissioner Smith like so I mean is it the legal description you're describing when you say it could be could have been 120? >> That's based on the land use designation up to four units per acre is what the
future land use map on the county's comprehensive plan is for urban low designations. >> But another provision of the code prevents that. So it's not really unless for 120. >> He he he's entitled for 120 he's asking for.
>> Okay. But so just to be clear, because I don't want them I almost feel like they were maybe confused. I want to make sure everyone's on the same page here. Yeah, they can ask for 85. They can ask for 95. They can ask for 120, but they're only entitled right now to 49. If we deny this, >> they're entitled for 120.
>> They're only asking for 85. The reason why they're coming before us is because they are >> if they if we deny any and all I'm just trying to make this legally possible, like simple for the audience. If we deny all PUDS, the max is 49 that they can get. Correct. >> No,
>> I just I I I know what you're saying. >> If we don't reszone at all, they get 49 homes. Correct. >> I I would agree though. I don't think that the word entitled is is >> is the right word. >> I don't know if it's the right word. >> All resonings are denied. The max that they can get under the zoning they have
now is 49 homes. >> 120. >> 120. >> Uh let me try to put it this way. You could have >> Let's just go back in reverse here. >> Okay. You could have um a 200 acre parcel
that wants 51 homes. It would still have to come before us because it's over the 50 >> 49 >> 49 home. >> Totally got it. Following you next. >> Okay. >> Okay. But what's the what's the next part? I mean >> the next part is they're entitled for
120 homes. They're only asking for 85. The only reason why they're in front of us is because >> I just want to complete that hypothetical. So you have 200 acres, you want 40, you want 51 homes. You're in an R six currently, >> correct? >> So how do you without a reasonzoning,
how do you get more than how do you get the 51 without a resoning? >> You have to get a reasoning. You have to get a third time. >> Maybe please. >> Yeah. So So let let me jump in. >> Put yourself in their shoes. Listen. Yeah.
>> Let let me jump in here. So the R six originally gave them six units to the acre. Okay. That was before our 2010 comp plan. When our 2010 comp plan came in, we assigned this area urban low, which limits them to 4:1. So, their entitlement is R six at 6:1. The only
reason that they come back here if they're going to put more than 49 homes on the lot is because the board made a decision that they wanted to be able to look at those subdivisions to put in conditions to make them more compatible, not to take away their entitlements. So
that's the reason why the PUB is required is so that you can look at it and go in and say, "Okay, if you're going to do 85 lots, we want extra buffers or we want this or we want that." It wasn't intended to take away what they were entitled to as an R six
zoning, which they probably had for years upon years in at this particular location. So the 50 unit threshold was in the code, it came out of the code, and then it went back in the code. I think maybe two years ago. So, it's
something that the board could take out in which case they could develop under the entitlements that they have, which is the R six limited by the future land use of 4 to one. >> I hope it never comes out of the code. >> Well, it it is and I think to your question for the public uh because we
get this a lot. I mean, it's a great question that you ask because yes, they're entitled to something that says there are R six and a and a urban low land use density. Um, and that's the designation, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're entitled like we have to grant it. Um, I mean,
personally, it has to be consistent with the comprehensive plan in my eyes. I think it says it in the code. Plus, it has to meet everything the basis of review uh to grant some kind of a zoning change. they have the entitlement per se that yes, that's the paper that says they could do that and it could
theoretically be up that high, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we just rubber stamp permits and zoning changes. Now, unfortunately, there's sometimes it's communicated that way to various boards and councils and things, but um we can we all have the ability to
interpret whether it's consistent with the comp plan uh and it meets all the criteria for basis of review um to grant what they're asking for. >> Well, I hope that stays in the code. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Sorry for the confusion. >> So, just to to add another piece of
information for the board since the the issue of the trees have have come up a couple times, this property has an agricultural classification for timber. So, they could harvest those trees at any point in time that they wanted to regardless of whether they build a subdivision. And so I just want to make sure everybody's clear on that that that
the trees may or may not stay depending on what the board does today and depending on whether they decide to harvest the trees or or actually build a subdivision of 49 lots. They do have that ad classification, >> right? That's actually a a good point. Um, just so everybody understands the
whole lay of the land here that as as much as we may feel the emotion and how you're attached to this property, the land owner of the property could do some things right now that would completely change the way that land looks. Um, so I
think at the end of the day when we have these hearings and the reason why that code provision is in there for the PUD process, it's for us to try to take the concerns and sort of blend them into a solution that is a um that takes into
account, you know, uh, concerns without denying them their rights and without actually creating a worse situation, which that's what we want avoid is a worse situation. So, come up with the best solution, avoid a worse situation,
and hopefully everybody walks away with with with something, but maybe not everything that they hope to achieve today. All right, next card is Cindy Newton. And I'm going to run to the rest. >> Okay.
>> So, we can keep moving. >> Okay. Good morning. Still Cindy Newton, District 4. Um, a lot of my concerns were spoken on and, uh, I really appreciate the commission going through
that. I do want to show a map. Thank you. This is the elevation that the uh neighbors are talking about. The center of this property is out about 168 ft.
And with the storm water ponds and things, even natural drainage, some of these areas go clear down to 120 ft around here. So, we're looking at a lot of drainage issues right now. Those
trees are the natural flood control for this area. And looking at the whole picture, what we've been talking about, this is the property. And as you can see, it is the major flood control for
this area. So that really needs to be taken into consideration with these storm water ponds going in. Will they be enough? Will the compensating storage
take into effect what is already going on around this area. So thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Cindy. I'm just filling in for the chair while she's out. She can. We'll remind everybody she can hear in
the back. She's just taking a short break. Uh Mr. J. Paul. >> Thanks for giving me some time here. Um I'm 61 years old. I ain't going to be here much longer. I I I'm concerned about our kids in the area and I know some of the parents here and these
people fly up and down our roads and I'm not talking about 30, 40, 50. It's 25 in front of my house. They're doing 80 on motorcycles pulling wheelies and there's nobody to stop them. It's like we live in the Wild West
right there on Log House Road. And I enjoy living there, but I don't know how much longer I can handle it. So, I you know, our home was a transitional home and we were going to build somewhere else and I'm like, well, I like it here
and I I want to stay there, but I don't see how I could. We're trapped in our homes at certain times of the day. There's a there's a bus stop um where my granddaughter used to to be right there on the corner. I mean, it
concerns me. Um, I ask that they put in speed if you're going to have to do this, which it sounds like you've already decided to do it. I mean, somebody has. Uh, whether it's y'all or the the people that are wanting that own the property, I pray
that the people that own the property in the name of Jesus, they change their mind and they want to do something different. But anyway, I pray you put in speed bumps. I don't know. I heard there was a roundabout coming in somewhere. I mean, that but that ain't enough. I mean, we need some way to slow these
people down. They come through the S-curves from um Lake Shore and they're tired of waiting on the car in front of them because you can't go very fast and and I mean, I see them and I'm only in my yard out doing yard work once in a while, but I see
them clipping along at 80 easily. I I I understand, you know, how fast people are going to a degree and it's just this is not what I signed up for or any of these people
signed up for. And uh I appreciate you giving me time to talk and I've already said too much. Um but I pray that somebody stops this from going any further. I you said there's already it's already been approved for 49. So, that's coming in whether no matter what we say
or do, but please put in some speed bumps to slow everybody down cuz I just see a lot of fatalities um with cars and motorcycles and things like that. And uh our our kids deserve better than to have
to stand out there. What are they this far from death? I mean, they deserve better than that. Y'all have a good day. >> Richard um Fischer and then Allison Stanley.
>> I'm a resident of uh C um Cresant Ridge Loop. My my property busts right up to the um new proposed property. We moved here 22 years ago. We love the place.
beautiful setting, everything like that. And yes, we'd love to keep the property as is. That's what we fell in love with. I know it's granted 49 homes. If that's what we have to have, we have
to have 85 is by far way too much for that area. The traffic is horrible. Um, you put more houses, 85 houses in there.
What's the new town going to be called? It's it it can't hold the traffic. The S-curve right there, they had to put a guard rail up cuz that house on the end there has been hit five or six times since I've been there.
Then, uh, Huh. Um uh the house has prior past that guardrail has been hit. More traffic. We you go you go down uh Lakeshore.
It takes you 45 minutes to get out to the turnpike. Now it's just over over 49 homes. Okay. if we have to have 49 homes, but 85, 120,
the roads can't take it. So, thank you for your time. Be right back. >> Okay. All right, Allison Stanley, and then Karen Campbell. >> Um, good morning, commissioners. My name is Allison Stanley and I'm a homeowner
on Log House Road across from the proposed Crescent Pines development. My husband and I are both veterans and just purchased our first home two months ago in Claremont. Um I'm here this morning to respectfully ask that you deny or delay this resoning request from R six to a plan unit development. The
applicant proposes 85 homes on about 40 acres, but the real impacts of this this development are much more complicated than that. Um, currently the development has received a traffic concurrency waiver because it was considered dimminimous. However, the county's own
table report shows that an added 869 daily trips on Log House Road. Um, Log House Road is not functionally classified roadway. However, it is the bridge between County Road 561 Pine Island Road and Lake Shore Drive, which are all classified as collected or
arterial roads. Um, our road al also serves as a primary route for the Lake County solid waste collection site located on Log House Road. And um, a Pineriidge Elementary School buses also use that to bus kids to and from the
school as well as existing residents. The added strain would impose safety risks, increase congestion and wear on the road, and adding nearly 900 more daily trips to local road not designed for this capacity could hardly be considered dimminimous. And I'd encourage the county to conduct a
traffic study before approving such waiverss. If that's how that works, I'm not sure. But um yeah, the application also notes the location of the nearest fire station being 1.4 four miles away. But the response times are dictated by access, not always distance. With only one way in and one way out from the
development, any accident or blockage would prevent fire, EMS, or law enforcement um from getting access to any new developments or existing homes in a timely manner. Um as you all aware, there is a um the county maintains a comprehensive plan for 2030 and that
includes future land use elements. This parcel is designed as an urban low density for future land use and the property surrounded is surrounded on three sides by longestablished single family neighborhoods with larger lots and mature trees. The very type of
community the urban low future land use category was meant to protect protect. Um it also calls for compatible design and gradual transitions between densities. The proposed plan instead jumps abruptly from halfacre and 1acre lots to tightly
packed 7500 square foot homes. My own home and my direct neighbors have lots of 1acre or larger for comparison. Um it's not compatible with existing homes and infrastructure. Additionally, the plan had already been has been amended multiple times this year to allow new
PUB developments. um each one increasing density and traffic while eroding the original balance between rural and urban land uses. The county is now seeking or seeing the cumulative consem.
[Music] Um well I am 24 but I did uh do a lot of research before this because I didn't want to come up here >> then like an undergraduate student in planning or something. >> Good job. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Um
and then let's see Karen Campbell. >> Good afternoon. Uh Karen Campbell. Thank you for your time. I live in Crescent West which is just on the other side of the new proposed development. Um, of course, while we all agree we'd love to keep that beautiful nature preserve
area. It's beautiful. Um, you know, I moved to Crescent West in my uh young 20s, I'm now reaching uh closing in on retirement age and my biggest concerns are is uh we've always known that area was going to someday be developed. Well,
it's here. Um, we've all known that it's coming. I thank God it's taken this long. But um while I think 49 homes in my opinion is putting the maximum amount that you should put in there to be responsible of your land use um right
now during the hurricanes that we have um I'm on the road that's right outside of that one and these folks live right down from there. We have flooding. We have to sandbag every hurricane because we do have the runoff and the flooding. So my concern is is that they have the
uh retention in the runoff areas that they need to have to take care of that water running. And my other biggest concern is is I work part-time at that Circle K right now off of Lakeshore Drive and uh Kings Fisher and we live that that store is right
next to a development that uses the lift system. And I tell you, the amount of time that I smell that sewer from that neighborhood is just so appalling and disgusting to me. And to think that it's going to be put right in my own backyard right now and I'm just supposed to hope and pray that the HOA there is going to
be able to take care of it and run it responsibly. I don't think it's going to happen. My HOA can barely um get news flyers out and keep people paying their dues and keep the keep the neighborhood mode and that
seems to be a full-time job for these people, which I thank God that they do it because others don't have the time. But my biggest concern and it's just the quality of life is going to change for all of us. We've lived there for several years and if even if you just move
there, you should still have the quality of life that you would expect to have in a lake community rural area. We are overbuilding. We're building too fast. The road systems that we have are old two-lane highways. The S-curve they speak of, people drive. There's so many
cars going through there, they go so fast they do drive into these people's houses. So they put in a guardrail. Um the school right now I my oldest daughter is 20 now. She went to that elementary school. I would say I live
maybe 5 minutes from there. I and 20 years 15 years ago I would have to leave um 4550 minutes early for school to make sure that I could get in the line of cars to get her to school on time. Um, now that traffic is backed up for at least uh over half a mile to a mile all
the way down Log Road, down Pine Island Road, down 561. They have a at least a football and a half field of car of empty area behind the school they put cars in to wait in line. That's basically it. Thank you.
>> Okay. All right. Um the the lift station though, that was I I was a little confused. There's an actual lift station nearby. That's like a sewer. A central sewer plant. Lift station. Package plant. >> A package plant. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Um
>> Susan's Landing. >> Mark Campbell. And you can >> Thank you for being here today. Um, I briefly read up on each one of you because I wanted to know who I was going to talk to, but I wanted to take the time um to thank you for being here. You
know, I just couldn't imagine. Um, Melanie, thank you for correcting that date on the Martins's Landing. I I remember sometime in the mid 90s when the cows would be right next to our driveway there and I remember that that whole Martins's Landing for sale for I
think it was 240,000. Should have bought it. Um, I've gone through so many different things here listening where I I was thinking, "Wow, I don't want to see these houses along Willowwood Drive. I live at 10797 Willowwood Drive in
Crescent West. There's five homes on there. The one side of that road, there's nothing. And then there's a row of trees and then it's this this community that's going to go in." And I think I want to jump right to what really matters. If each one of you don't
know this, you don't know it. You don't know what you don't know. That road, that log house road, it can't be a half mile long, something like that. And it is a main road. It's not 561. It's it's it's not the Lakeshore Drive. It's a
cross between. People decide which way to go depending on the traffic. I want to tell you if you have not been there. I saw it the other day for the first time because I normally don't go along Lakeshore Drive along Minihaha and over the Lake Susan Bridge when I come home because I go by Wind Dixie and I go down
there by the Dollar Tree store and go down 561 over the jumping bridge. The other day I came home that way and I was stopped 30 40 cars on Lakeshore Drive to get to the stop sign of um and I
forget it used to be Lake Louisa Drive and that's not that anymore. Is that Hammock Hammock >> Hammock Ridge Road? Hammock Ridge Road goes to Lake Susan Bridge. Right. The traffic was stopped. The 30 or 40 cars on Lakeshore Drive at the stop sign
trying to go to the right to go over Lake Susan Bridge, but the the cars are on Hammock Ridge Road are stopped on the bridge all the way around the curve and out of sight up Hammock Road. Out of sight. This is at 5:00. This is before
any of these other things are going to go in here. So, I I I kind of want to move along here because that 3 minutes seems to go by pretty fast. Can I ask Mike, the gentleman over here, would he Is there going to be There's going to be curbs and drainage in this. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Now, wait a minute. If Mike, you'd
have to come up to the microphone. >> I I have to ask some questions. >> I mean, you can ask the question, he can answer it later. Just put the questions out there. >> Okay. Curbs. Are they gentle slope curbs or are they real curbs that contain water that have drainage that go down? I see that there's it says a pond on the
east and on the west side of this. That's not the way the drainage necessarily goes. Drainage basically goes towards the north and towards that uh the dump area. How would that water get there? Through imagination or hope.
>> All right, good questions. >> Uh chairman, the the intent is for Miami curb uh and storm ponds. This is an excellent question for the applicants engineer to put into the record if if I can make that recommendation.
>> Okay. All right. Let's wait till we get to that point and we'll make sure they address how that's designed. Okay. Um Kevin Smith and then did Cindy already talk? >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Oh yeah. Little check. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> All right. Good morning everybody. Hey everyone. Thanks for coming out. you know who I'm talking to, community, neighbors, all that. Um, I was going to touch on the birds and the bees and the trees, but it seems like that's kind of spoken for already. Um, yeah, we all love the woods, but they have the timber
ability to go ahead and harvest it. Yay, that sucks. Yeah, we moved there for that. Um, a little bit more crass than most. I'm a veteran. Um, I am 100% service connect disabled. I stay home most of the day and I walk around that community more than most people. Not Miss Choy. Miss Choy got me beat. Um, to
speak on the traffic thing. Yeah, she's entirely correct if you haven't been there. Uh, actually, um, Vice Chairman Parks, I believe you visited the community seven, eight years ago. We discussed the speed there and we tried to find some resolutions. Couldn't find any. Um, but we're a self-managed HOA,
so we bring everything in house. We have our reserves, by the way, for those of you who think we don't. So, we uh we kind of think about our problems in advance, but we didn't really kind of see this one coming up. We can't really avoid this one. pre-block house, all those roads, the uh the traffic that comes flying in through the S turn, those are just things that are out of
our control just to do to like the density of the traffic and whatnot. And then uh also my kids go to the school right there up the road and um I know they said the capacity is it can handle more children and whatnot, but I've spoken to a lot of teachers over the
past 10 to 15 years and they feel like the classrooms are busting at the seams. So, I'm not quite sure where they're getting that from, but I uh I think my my son's going to move out of that school and move on to middle school soon. But the ones that are there before me, I just wonder like how much uh
attention is each classroom going to get. You kind of know the problem already trying to address here. But really, the biggest thing here is like the traffic. Like I'm not going to harp on it. Everyone's done it. I'm not going to waste more time on it. Traffic's crazy. I literally almost hit Miss Joy. Sorry, by the way, the other day coming
from dropping off at my child at school. wasn't because I'm a bad driver or anything like that. Just because the road was so packed and she's forced onto the pavement, off the pavement, whatnot. So, um yeah, I don't know what's gonna be done about this. I can't say 49 homes, 120, 110. I don't I don't know.
Um but hopefully you guys think about just like us average people that are just trying to survive and exist in that corner of the earth there and uh do what you can and thanks for your time. >> All right. Thank you, Kevin. All right. Hey, do we have anyone
online? No. Okay. All right. So, we're going to bring it back to the board and um the No, we're going to bring it to the applicant and then the board. >> Good morning again. Um I just want to clarify some things on the R six
versus urban low. R six allows for six units per acre. It also allows for multif family. Okay. So, hypothetically, I'm just saying 40 acres, six units per acre there is 240 units.
Urban low is four units per acre. So, 40* 4 is 160 units. All right. If this was a site plan doing multifamily apartments or whatever, we would not have to come in for a peed.
The only reason we're here is because we're exceeding the 49 lots and we want to do single family, not multif family. Storm water will be addressed per the county code and the water management district new criteria that's coming out
on the 28th. The roads will have curb and gutter. Uh they will have sidewalks and um the environmental concerns and so forth we have to go through. We have uh FWC, we've got to get all of our permits. If there's an eagle close by,
if there's skink, if there's turtles, whatever it is, we have to mitigate or take care of before we can put the first shovel in the ground. So, with that being said, I would like for you guys to approve the 85 lots with the PUD zoning
knowing that the R six zoning is there or R six yeah, zoning is there and the urban land use is currently there. So, I answer any more questions if you guys have any other questions. >> So, the um just to just to make sure
when your developer um develops a piece of property, there's going to be a sidewalk in front of the development. Correct. >> That is correct. >> On on Lake Log House Road, >> we will have to put in is from our frontage along our frontage, a sidewalk on log house. >> Okay. So, and if I'm not mistaken, the
only piece that wouldn't have sidewalk from this development to 561 would be the um landfill area that goes in between them two, which is the next lot over. >> I believe that is correct. I believe I
talked about >> Yeah, I drove it the other day. though. >> Um, as far as the concerns that we've heard about the elevation of this property in relation to the adjacent properties, um, >> yeah, water water goes downhill. So, the
ponds will be downhill on the exterior portion of the property. Um, and that's why they're kind of shown along the west and the east. So, all the roads and so forth will have infrastructure drainage. Those pipes will be piped to the ponds. >> So if the same I think it's been called
a rainbomb, that's what DVO is calling what happened to us the other night in Mount Dora, right? >> If a rain bomb happened on this property in the future based on the storm water design, um
wouldn't those ponds overflow and flow downhill? >> Yep. So legally drainage law whatever leaves the site in the existing precondition can leave the site in post condition. Example if you have 5 CFS
coming off your property in the existing condition the way it sits you're allowed to release 5 CFS in the post condition. If you're in a landlock basin it then goes from rate to volume. So then you have to meet a pre-post volume. So, if
you have an acre foot of volume leaving the site in the pre-development, you're allowed to leave one acre foot of volume in the post-development. The difference between a landlocked basin and a non-landlocked is landlocked, we have to look at the 25-y
year, 96-hour storm event. The uh unlandlocked, we have to look at the 2524. But here recently, the county has been wanting to see what the hundred-year flood elevation is for uh the
development. So, we would be looking at all that. And you just mentioned that the 500 storm that St. John's in the new rule that's that's happening in December. So, we would be looking at that as well. >> But in the thousand-year storm, which is the 0.1% chance in a year that we just
had happen the other night, >> and those are the whatifs and so forth. I mean, we never thought we were going to see after Milton last year, we never we never even dreamed of more than 15 inches of rain and here we were a year later. So, I mean, I don't know what it's what's coming, you know, but mother
nature has a has a way of being mother nature. >> Wish we had those good lottery odds. >> Exactly. >> Okay. All right. So, um, any other questions for the for the applicant?
does the um well I guess it's unfair to ask whether >> I wanted to add one more thing too. You mentioned the HOA early on. We don't mind putting that in the ordinance that the HOA is responsible for the storm water. Sorry about that. >> Yeah, the roads are the MSTU.
>> Okay. All right. I I have a question. Um and it relates to the fact that the property could be timbered. It could be everything could be clear cut right now. um versus what happens when you actually you've got a resoning case that's pending, you've got, you know, an
application that's going through. You can't use that timber exemption and clearcut. You still have to comply with our landscape and tree ordinance, don't you? >> My understanding with the a exemption is
we are allowed to take those trees anytime during the process. So even before construction, we can go in and take those trees as an a exemption. And Melanie, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but >> and you lose the exemption though. >> Correct. Yeah. On once we once we get
the if we get this through and and we become platted and so forth and the trees are cut, then yes, we we then lose the a exemption. >> I I believe at the time that they record the plat is when they lose the exemption. But we've had some property appraiser cases on that and some other subdivisions. So,
>> but they're going to I mean, if they're developing, they're going to they're not so worried about losing the exemption. It's just um I mean, they know they're going to lose the exemption. I was just wondering whether our rules regarding tree removal come into play at all or if they could even if we put a putt in
place and we said we wanted you to maintain a 100 foot buffer around the edges of this property, would that be pre preempted by the fact that they've got an a exemption on it right now and they could just go in and clearcut it all? We could we could take the trees
out and if you had a buffer then we have to plant the buffer per your code. >> So it would kind of be against your best interest to clearcut if we put a 100 foot buffer around the edges of that property. You'd want to use what you you want to use the trees that you have right now, wouldn't you? >> That that is correct. And that's the intent the the perimeter of the the
property. The intent is I believe we have a minimum 25 foot buffer shown right now. Uh, and basically the east and the west where the ponds are, we're actually going to have a little more buffer because you have some green space of pond and and what have you there as well. >> Yeah. How wide is that buffer that's on
that I see on this concept? >> 25 foot minimum. >> But where the storm water is, how wide would that be? >> Oh, I don't have that number, but it's it's going to be every bit of probably 125 ft. >> But it'll be ponds. It won't be trees.
>> Right. Right. Well, you'll still have the 25 foot buffer and then you'll have the pond and then you'll have the road and the lots where the ponds are. [Music] I think that there the cumulative effects of the traffic
um are a reason to have a lower density on this property. I think the concerns about the storm water management and the fact that we're talking about making changes and we would have already made the changes if it hadn't been for Senate Bill 180. We would have been all all through that
process already. Um is another reason why I mean I would be more inclined to say we need to postpone work on those regulations so that when and if this is approved that they would be in place that we would have the new regulations in place. Um, so I I I'm leaning way I'm
leaning towards a lower density because of the impacts in the traffic in the area and because of the storm water and flooding concerns. >> I move to deny the resoning. >> I'll second and I have some discussion. >> Okay. Discussion. >> Yeah. Uh so to to a couple of the points
that have been already discussed. Um, we we look at 1403 uh.03 standard of review and there's a couple points of that that I don't think for me personally meet the the test uh to grant the the zoning request. Um the comp comprehensive plan
something that hasn't been mentioned. I I don't I still think that there's an inconsistency with the comp plan. If you look at policy um out of the solid waste goals and objectives and policies um 10-4.2.6 Six. Prohibition of incompatible new
development near solid waste management facilities. The county shall adopt land development regulations that prohibit new development that is incompatible with the operation of nearby solid waste management facilities based on land use types and specify distance buffers contained in the future land use element
and future land use map. Landfill site setbacks will comply with Florida Department of Environment Protection regulations. I don't I looked for those. I don't see the D will tell you that they can vary, you know, 1,000 ft to a mile. Um, I mean, there's different
distances that they reference. Um, and I don't see anything in our code. I'm not even sure we ever even made that change uh when this comp plan was adopted to have the regulations. There's nothing specified with buffers, unless I'm missing something, but and and I don't
see that's why I was kind of asking you about the buffers. Um, I think it's going to be a problem at that density with the facility next door. Um, particularly with future plans that we may have and as more people come into the county, the more the higher usage of
that facility. I I see a lot of unhappy people there, right or wrong, maybe they should have known that it was there, but I see, you know, everybody from lot 27 to 41 potentially having issues with being right next to a facility like that.
Also, when I look at the the lot widths, I know in the PUB ordinance you you're saying 75 feet. Um, if I did some me I did some measurements of lot widths around that whole area. A lot of them are about 100 foot. Uh, there's some
there's a couple 85s or 90s that are in there. So, I'm just not sure that that is consistent with the area. And that goes to the G um of property values and consistency with the area. smaller lots could be
compatible, but I don't I haven't seen any like architectural standards and I know we technically can't ask for that, but for me to determine what that's going to look like and how it might be compatible if you're going to do smaller lot sizes, I just don't have any indication or any kind of idea about
what the future would be for these 85 lots that are proposed. Um, and as well as the traffic that's been mentioned as well, there is a plan that's in place for the lake like Lake uh shore corridor which is uh which is a problem. Uh, everything that people have said it is a
total problem. Um, there's been some things some progress that's been made recently. Uh, two new roundabouts uh were were built by the developer essentially and impact fees. Um, there's a plan that's been in place. We did this about eight years ago uh along the
corridor. It's a corridor plan that our staff did internally has proposed some some things. There's a roundabout that's up there at Lake Shore and Hammock Ridge that's part of it. There's also some traffic calming measures uh generally in this area along Logouse Road um that are
part of that plan as well. So, I mean to me until that plan is in place and we have funding for it and those those are sort of incrementally being done which is my knowledge uh none of the additional improvements other than the last two roundabouts that were approved. Um there are no additional u
improvements that are funded or coming anytime soon. Um that's why I think uh you know if there was a if there was um if it was mitigating the traffic somehow uh then I I might be able to kind of check that part off of the list. But I do think it creates um it continues to
create and exasperate the traffic problem along Lake Shore Drive. So that's why I would be voting um for those reasons be voting no. >> Just wanted to get it in the record. >> All right. Additional discussion. Commissioner Morris, Commissioner Smith,
anything else? No. All right. Um we have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? All right. The motion to deny stands.
[Applause] >> All right. Moving ahead in the agenda to the annexation report. >> Thank you, chairman. For the record, Mike Fitzgerald, the office of planning and zoning director.
I have an annexation report to give. Uh this is for the city of Futland Park. City of Futland Park is proposing to annex approximately 94.67 acres of land located north of County Road 466A
west of Micro Racetrack Road. The intent is to develop the property with a residential use uh with villas or duplex units in accordance with the regulations of Futland Park. Lake County Public Works Department has commented on this and has said that as part of the
development, a traffic signal, left turn lane, and a roundabout will be required. Uh just to as a comparison to existing Lake County rural residential land use, we allow one dwelling unit per five net acres and the municipality will be
proposing 4.3 dwelling units per one acre. I'm happy to answer any questions. Okay, wait a minute. Go back. It's It's rural. It's one to five and they they want to go to multif
family low density 4.3 dwelling units to the acre. >> Correct. And apparently per their comprehensive plan, they are allowed up to eight dwelling units per acre for that. >> And it's it's obviously contiguous. There's no Okay. There there's the map.
>> Yes, ma'am. It is >> on one side. It's it's contiguous on the south. This map shows it a little bit more clearly. It will consist of four There are four alternate keys. Three of them are to be
annexed. One is already in the uh city and is part of the development. I >> mean this is rural. I mean, if we're going to stick with a policy or philosophy of rural land should stay rural, this is rural. This
isn't like urban low and they're annexing our urban low in order to go just a little bit higher in density. This is they're proposing to annex rural to go to urban high. So, it's a pretty
it's pretty different than what our comp plan says. I would categorize it as urban medium if we compared it to our comp plan. Our comp plan urban medium is up to seven dwelling units per acre. >> Okay. So they're going from rural to urban medium. >> Correct.
>> Commissioner Morris, you have any thoughts? It's over in your neck of the woods. >> That's a lot. It's a lot of capacity. I mean, a lot of a lot of homes. I think it's just way too much in that area. >> We can make a request that we think it should stay rural and that we're
concerned about road impacts and that we're concerned about keeping the county comprehensive plan intact and that we're not in favor of it. At least we're letting our position be known and point out whatever the transportation issues are over in that area and things that would need to be enhanced if they were
to move forward. Well, I think Lady Lake has something on the other side coming too, right? Um, right. Right. >> This is actually not quite that. This is past I think what you're thinking of. This is over where they're building the new ER.
>> Right. I think the question is, are you willing to write a letter to the city of Fruitland Park with our concerns? >> Sure. >> Yeah, I'd put it I'd put in their concerns concerns about open space. I mean obviously it's it's kind of these similar situations. I mean if you look
at the aerial there's development on the other side in there. >> That's the villages. >> The villages. That's development though. >> Um >> yeah. >> Yeah. So it's uh how to do that properly if it's going to be um if they're going to annex it and build on it, I think is
the big concern. But yeah, you're going to have an issue with those people next door. >> Yeah. I mean I you know it's interesting some of the comments today about how we don't have you know parks and so forth in the area that we were just talking about. Well that's like peace meal development where parcel comes in parcel
comes in and you know you rely on our master park plan you know in order to take care of things like parks. You look over at the villages well they've built all that into their master planning similar to what's happening in wellness way. It's all built into that. Um, so
you know, I I see this as an opportunity where you could have open space remain open space or do the type of project where you actually cluster and you leave big swasts of open space and that would be consistent with our comprehensive plan and it would certainly lessen the
impacts on the roads and all of the surrounding, you know, infrastructure. Yeah. >> All right, Commissioner Morris, >> you gonna handw write it? >> Yeah. No, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have staff do that for me. How about that?
>> I was going to say we usually means me. >> Yeah. Um, >> keep me out of legal trouble anyway. Right. >> Melanie's using chat GPT anyway. >> Oh, definitely not. >> Um, Mike, when is the hearing on this? >> This hearing is December 11th, 2025 at
the city commission. All right, we'll get that ready for you. >> Thank you. >> All right, do we have another one? >> That's it. >> Okay. >> All right, then. Moving along, we have um our close session is at what time? >> Close session is at 1:30 and it'll be
across the hall. >> Okay, >> just a quick question. How long does this usually go? I can't remember. >> About an hour. >> Okay, cool. That's what I figured. all new here. >> It depends how long Commissioner Smith talks. [Laughter]
>> If everybody talks softly then, >> right, >> might be quick. >> Okay, moving along to the county attorney's report, county manager report. I have a couple of items today. First, I would like to uh remind everyone that county offices
will be closed on uh November 11th in observance of Veterans Day. Also, we had a discussion back in October, actually at the October 7th county commission meeting regard it was actually during a
annexation report. Leburg was proposing an annexation of about 596 acres of land east of County Road 48 and south of the turnpike. Um when the board, if I remember correctly, when the board was looking at the aerial, there was a lot
of wetlands and they had concern um and you had concerns about developing in that area and the board directed staff to send a letter to Leburg proposing that they incorporate possibly some rural conservation subdivision design
standards um to protect the open space as well as mitigate uh potential flooding concerns as part um additionally The letter included um the language that we respectfully
requested that Leburg consider accepting County Road 48 as far as mo ownership and maintenance going forward as they are annexed on both sides of 48 in the in the area of the development. The proposal was for them to accept County
Road 48 from Highway 27 to the Sumpter County line. The city has responded. They had concern about the annexation of County Road 48. Um they indicated that they had annexed property on 48 prior to
signing the ISBA which addresses and speaks to the cities taking roads once they annex above 50% of the frontage of a county road. So there they said that we had already exceeded that amount by the time we
signed the ISBA. Um they also referenced meetings that staff has had with them. Um a couple different occasions working towards a JPA with the city. We had discussed road transfer agreements and things that were eligible to transfer pursuant to the ISBA. And at no time was
county road 48 discussed and that is true. We have not discussed county road 48. So, the city postponed the annexation hearing until November 10th. They're looking for clarification from the county as to our intent for the
annexa or the um acceptance of the ownership and maintenance of County Road 48 before they make any decisions about the annexation going forward. So, I wanted to bring this to you for consideration and discussion so we can provide
um feedback to the city. So with the new that project that we said, "Hey, would you go back and look at this from a conservation design standpoint?" >> What was the number of units that would have been added to 48 as a result of that development if it went forward
according to what they were reviewing or roughly or something? I'm just trying to understand the magnitude of the impacts. >> Like do you recall Oakidge? Okay, let me look and see if I can get that for you really quick. >> Okay. All right. Well, I just feel like
that's an I think that's an important part to this because of I mean the the assertion is that we hadn't staff hadn't really been discussing 48 um but then here we get a project and it's like well maybe it should have been discussed before or thought about before but it
hadn't been um because there had already been so many annexations over there. Um, >> what wouldn't this fall under the same category as the road down in Claremont that we just approved? It's a collector road and and really shouldn't be
involved with the city. I mean, we just approved what, $10 million for >> Oh, you're talking about Hardwood Marsh. >> Hardwood Marsh. I mean, this is I mean, this road here goes from the turn goes from Sumpre County all the way to Orange County.
It's blacker road along with 33 and and I agree with you. If if if if Harwood Marsh is not going to go in the city, I don't know understand how 48 and 33 could be forced onto the city. So >> what about a request though for
assistance with funding and maintenance and that kind of thing? Like we'll we'll continue to maintain it, but we've got to come up with a plan on improvements that need to be done on that road. So just like Hartwood Mars >> is that what Claremont is doing? >> Well,
they areion. >> Yeah, they did provide a million dollars worth of >> Right. Yeah. >> that was for the utility >> utilities portion, >> but it is a cost that's being incurred by them as part of an agreement for upgrades, right? So maybe that's the approach. It's not so much here. You
take it. It's a collector road. It should be in the county road system. But maybe the real question is how can we collaborate on improvements that need to be made? >> How can they collaborate with the developer to come to the plate with some money? >> So just to give you the answer, so this
was approximately 600 acres off of County Road 48. The proposed city density is 1.5 dwelling units per acre. And I I think that's awful wet down in there, too, if I'm not mistaken. >> Really, really wet. That's why we
thought the conservation design might actually work. >> So, maybe the response should be about how we, you know, we still we continue to advocate for conservation design in light of the natural resources and the water impacts and all that. Um, but that
we're looking for opportunities to collaborate on improvements that need to be made >> for the road. >> For the road. Yeah, I'm going to ask them to collaborate. I think is think there's any harm in that >> and we are in discussions with them on road transfer agreements. We can add
this as part of the discussion. Okay. Good discussion. Good points made. Um all right. Any other things? County manager? >> Nothing else. Thank you. >> Uh Commissioner Sabatini. >> No report. Thank you.
>> Commissioner Park. Yeah, just a couple things. Um, yesterday uh we had a wellness way uh meeting. It was a round table for economic development and that's um very intentional in how that's uh being described in the the purpose and the agenda of the meeting. um
because it is now um you know as maligned it has been at times well in this way houses this houses that um nothing has changed in the plan um as it being one of the uh primary job centers that we are all uh trying to put in
different locations around the county. Um that has been in planned for a while and we are sticking to that plan. Um this was a meeting that um is new in the again as I said in the agenda the intent um there were meetings that were held in the past to uh be more on the tactical
side of you know who's putting in the storm water who's building this road what easements's been done as the power lines been run that kind of stuff. Um this was a very good meeting that was held yesterday. Um so uh want to give um just a big high compliment to Kathleen
Dial who uh organized the meeting along with lead. So lead, I will also compliment Lead was a very big part of this as well as Richard Levy who is uh I think perfect in the spot uh and what he's doing working for both city and county. um he's trustworthy on both
sides and uh Mike was there and did a great job as well. uh you know stressing the fact that look there's this big vision for wellness way um it's got high standards once you get past the the
commission for a site plan that's approved because that still comes to us uh they will they will help go become vertical as quickly as possible which is what we want uh for economic development and quite frankly revenues that come into the county so thank you Mike for doing that Jennifer thank you uh the
entire staff there were several other staff members that were there as Well, but I thought this was really important for you all to know because this is um getting back to uh and making sure that we're stressing the economic development side. Um this
is a higher standard. Um there's going so so far as actually now it's happening you know right now uh not right at this moment but it's currently happening where we are setting up um connecting uh land owners uh people that are
developers with people that uh are have money and that want to invest and bring jobs not houses but want to bring jobs as the requirement for this. So those connections are being made right now, which is like when you start getting advanced and you start putting these job centers on the map and you see what's
worked around the state of Florida in Lake Mary or wherever, uh, Colonial Park or Babcock Ranch. Um, yeah, it's easy to build the houses and things like that, but it's when you start getting the people that are investing in Florida, investing in Lake County with money
together with our economic development development, um, that's when things happen uh, quicker quickly. So, that's what that whole meeting was all about. So, uh I really appreciate I thought it went well and we're going to be doing those regularly. Um now from here on out, I think the next one's in in
January, but those certainly could be something that I would encourage you uh all to attend at some point. Um and they can be advertised so that we could do that. Um I um I'm looking forward to picking those back up in January. The only other two things um we had uh the
softball tournament on this the commissioners cup this past um weekend at the min athletic complex. So I comp want to compliment Bobby and Brian out at the the MAC. They put on a um a great they just really maintained the facility. Uh it was they went all out
for us. Um that was to raise money for the sheriff's uh nonprofit fund. um supporting like Deputy Link's family um come the benefits come out of that event. Um it's the Commissioner Cup because the Lake County Sheriff's Office
plays the Claremont Police Department and we always win and we won again. I'll just say that. Um we beat we beat the Claremont Police Department. Um was only expecting to play two innings but had to played the whole entire game and then played against the Lake County Fire and
rescued uh the second game and we beat them. I I got the game ball for the first game. >> All right. >> But uh and I'm I'm still a little sore, but uh it was a lot of fun. >> You didn't like break anything or >> No, there there were no injuries. So happy to report all people that work for
the county, they're all they're all not injured, so that's they're they're >> very important. >> Yeah, that was very important. Um and the fire and rescue were great. Those guys came out and um they had fun and participated and and uh again, thank you to Sheriff Grenell for putting that on,
helped put that on as well. Um but the uh you know important to say this again the commissioner's cup is back with the with Lake County and the Lake County Sheriff's Office. So >> all right >> you know bragging rights over over Claremont. The last thing is um is uh
Mont Verde Day is this uh is this weekend on Saturday. So certainly come on out. There'll be um lots of good good food just arts arts and crafts that kind of stuff. Art show music. Uh they always do a great job on that. So hopeull hope
hopefully you can make it all day Saturday. >> All right. Very good. >> That's all I have to report. >> Commissioner Smith, >> I just have a couple things. The first thing is I met with Mission Resort um and uh talking to them about the the
noise ordinance that the town of Howe um hasn't approved yet, but they're they're thinking about it and what we can do to um assist them. um not us as a county, but um just brainstorming ideas to to
help them out. Uh other than that, um today is election day. Uh it's election day for the city of Claremont, the city of Groveland, the city of Mascot, the city of Mount Verde, and the city of Taris. So if you have if you're from one of
those locations, please make sure you go out and vote and get your voices heard. And then that's all I have right now. >> No report. >> No report. Um well, I just want to um say a few things about the response to the storm the other night and just thank
our staff and Megan and the emergency management team, public works, water authority, everybody that stepped up um to try to help out. Um also want to shout out to um give a shout out to Laser and Michael Tart and his group,
Amy and Brandy. Um they have been great connecting with people that needed help directly on their property getting drywall out. They were able to bring in some of the mission groups that help with that um over at Spring Ridge Estates. They were there on Thursday
night. went over and met them and they were able to coordinate getting people into hotel rooms as they literally were wheeling their suitcases and so forth and their dogs and their children and their strollers out of their homes and leaving them behind. Um so that was
really pretty horrific scene but um the um been monitoring that. I appreciate staff, you know, reaching out to Eustace and offering whatever, you know, support we could offer, but they um I think they're getting closer to a resolution.
It's just really complicated with the situation with the bridge being under the HOA and the public infrastructure intertwined in that >> improvement. Um, so I just want to emphasize again and also want to point
out staff's doing a great job on Wolf Branch and we're making pro progress and um so excited to get reports on how quickly that's going to be open, but I know that they're working as we speak. And um the other thing I wanted to
follow up on was the workshop that we have talked about and my goal is that this workshop process would be as impactful as possible so that we could be given options that are easy to understand and easy for the
public to understand as far as you know there's a lot of um you know I we use in the legal field legal ease but in the engineering field I don't know what you call But it's really easy to get confused. I mean, it's it's like, you know, so somebody that can break down
and and help everyone understand what the different types of storms are and the number of hours and how, you know, all of that works together and why certain types of storm events are the the better ones to plan for, you know,
as far as having added capacity and protecting um off-site properties and that type of thing. I I just feel like it's really important for Lake County to lead on this issue and for us to engage our cities and ask them to be a part or
at least participate um send staff or send elected officials, but to look at this being something that's looked at on a countywide basis. And it could be that in flat areas with good drained soils, it's just not an issue. These ponds work just fine and development really doesn't
infect affect people offsite. But depending on the soils and the slopes and the surrounding conditions and the cumulative impacts of prior development um and the basin, the type of basin is there are locations where changing the rules and enhancing the rules could
really have um you know important lasting positive effects on our community. >> Yeah. And the the tough discussion there will be uh also impervious surface area on a lot by a lot basis because everybody's >> what happens is you you say it's maxed
out at like 50% but over the years people add sheds they put they make their driveways larger there's a lot more compaction >> and it really isn't that 50% impervious anymore. It becomes >> so maybe you plug in another number that's the realistic number of what it
will become. >> Yeah. when you do your calculations maybe. >> Um, so anyway, with that, again, I can't say thank you enough to everybody that's helped and that is continuing to help to address issues. And I keep getting calls and emails and messages from people
that, you know, I've heard one the other day over at Dogwood Mountain that it was a woman who was 93 years old and nobody realized the back of her yard had completely washed out. So, um you know, things like that that you just it still issues are trickling in and um but I
appreciate all the efforts of of everyone working together and being diligent. Um and and I have to say that um you know one of the worst feelings you have in the world as a commissioner is when you've tried to work on something to make something better and you've done all that you can do and
you've you've ask staff to help and they've done all they can do and it's a bad feeling when you feel that you know you someone thinks you've let them down. Um, and you have to kind of balance that because um, I remember the day I went out and met with those folks um, out in
Mount Plymouth and I'm trying to remember who at public works with was with me, but we were looking at it trying to figure out what is the solution and is it literally I I don't know that there's a solution because you have to have a place to move the water to and and maybe there is, but it would
take more of a community effort because it would require getting property in order to put water somewhere. there. So, these are really difficult things and and and um and the last thing I want to do is let um people in Lake County down and you all know that, you know, we all
work really hard to try to make everyone's lives better and and try to sort of bring the community together understanding that everybody's got, you know, their their own their own lives and their property and their interest and we're trying to make it all work together as best as we can. So, all
right. Um, with that we will we do we recess or we readjourn? I can't remember. >> We adjourn. Okay. All right. So, we stand adjourned. >> You forgot his day. >> Oh, I forgot the day. Can I unadjourn really quickly? >> We'll just We'll just say We'll just say
today knowing that Halloween was just this last Friday. Today just happens to be National Candy Day. >> All right. >> Candy. >> Eat all your leftover candy or don't throw maybe throw it away. Thank you. >> Okay.
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