e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right so we ready all right all right we'll call the uh third budget meeting 711 of 24 to order if you please rise for invocation and the pledge Heavenly Father we ask that you watch over this group tonight that you help us make good decisions for the city of lebur we do this in your name amen pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible Li and justice for [Music] all we got all this stuff tonight and we've got the whole CIP stuff to talk about tonight um what's your thoughts on splitting this tonight do again next Tuesday or or or next Monday we had a meeting next Monday anyway but it was cancelled oh yeah so just kind of do either the CIP tonight or do the Departments tonight and do half one tonight half Monday night so you want to wait on the CIP well we can do I would let's do well let's do this if if yall want see where the time is you know maybe set a time like we're going to go to this spot um I would suggest we get the CIP discussion out of the way because that's fresh on everybody's mind um and then maybe a good breaking point is to get get through water [Music] sewer water SE store M solid waste and stop there that probably you know depending on how long you go on C let's see how long we go on cips let's start CIP and if you want to make a motion later if you say hey look this is so like a good break point a good break point would be after water and sewer and store because then that's all the Enterprise funds and then we come back we reschedule another workshop and kind of start up at like airport and hit airport Health work comp all those flea all those funds but let's see let's see how is that good I'm amendable to that so let's see where we go okay yall okay with it okay okay okay so there's tonight's agenda so kind of stop in here is depending on where time comes but I thought it was important you know we had a bunch of questions we we discussed a lot of stuff last Tuesday or two Tuesday on cips and we had some specific questions with some of these lingering uh cips and and how to go um so actually I I I twisted that so I'm going to hit out with uh Susan Street first um had some feedback individually from some of you not all of you um but the the the feedback was $1.5 Million elephant in the room is that's a lot of money for Susan Street so let me kind of review a couple of things and give you an action plan moving forward if I recall correctly we funded Susan Street to a level of about 5.5 million that was 2.4 million in American Recovery Act counting on the TDC money and and actually 3 million it was 3 million in American Recovery Act and the TDC money right so it was so it was about five million we were going into the project for the the 3 million to 2.3 is that different that Delta is the construct the Consulting contract with half the engineers to design it so we're 700 Grand in to design and Design's 50% complete on Monday this week you all approved the TDC contract correct of two million bucks correct that will be on the county commission's desk their second meeting in August one of the things I just want to point out and I got it in the presentation or coming up while it wasn't I don't believe it was in the contract there is kind of an unsaid expectation that the County's given us 2 million they so they anticipate us putting in 2 million at the $5 million allocation that we have that's zero City dollars so I think there's always the anticipation that City dollars were going to come and it was going to come from DST and as the numbers started crun and then we would allocate towards that I don't think the county cares where we spin a city portion it could be in Susan it could be at sleepy it could be at sleepy Not Susan and I don't think and if we spend all the TDC money at Susan then you know they'll they'll expect some of our investment at sleepy so put just put that aside for right now so the approved application for Susan is that that 5 million bucks okay so with that we've got the about the 4.7 left so I presented a a a way to get to 10 10 and a half to do the project as as we discussed the other evening 1.8 from unspent DST 3.4 from 4127 CRA and half a million from Rec impact fees for the 10.5 at I want to show you these allocations at this allocation that's you know so this is a big number I I get it and I'm not persuading you one way or another on this project but at a0 a. half million project really the only thing you would have into that number is a 54 you know 50 55 45 split so I'm GNA say that's a pretty good split on a project at this magnitude and I understand some hesitance I get it so the only thing else I would want to say is that expectation so you know currently at this allocation up here that's zero City money eventually we probably need to throw some money in there to work with our County Partners and if you do that it's this number plus that number divided by that so then you know so even if you would increase this to to a remainder of 6.7 million bucks you still only are into it for a 30% match so I mean that's pretty reasonable so I think we need to keep that in mind as we move forward having said that this is I think the first time many of you have seen this think the wck board has has the rec board has it so this is where we're at at 50% from half and and it and it's basically roughed out um all the component parts of this project is one two three four five rugby Fields a soccer one two three four rugby Fields a stadium type field with a grand stand concession stand storage bathrooms a soccer field parking lot an entry onto us27 so that's kind of where we're at at 30% is when at remember we went down this road with the construction manager at risk All State estimated everything we wanted 18 million internal staff had the holy cow we got to get this down you know maybe and the and the target was kind of seven and a half million and so then the numbers came back and the only thing we would get out of a s half million dollar project was one two three four five Fields the rugby size fields and but we're no parking lot no entryway so that's when we kind of started H we're going to need more money this is this is a problem so here's a proposal I'd like to put before you tonight because I think everybody hopefully agrees that this is a project that we want to Endeavor towards here's what I think the the steps moving forward from this project are first we need to bring half to you guys this is really the first time um and and we're probably now at a good phase to bring them in and review the conceptual plan with you we've done this on you know it's pretty standard operating procedure for most of the projects so yeah we're at a stage to do that now uh H we we will schedule half by the way we already have for them to come make a presentation to you on August 12th second same meeting I'm going to ask you to stop the construction manager at risk method this is the second time we've used this method where we've got initial feedbacks at 30% that have sent us on your level as well as our level through the roof so so I I so I think we have an issue with that type of construction manage that type of procurement method and I think we need to end it we have a contractural right to end it we will have to pay the construction firm their time into it I don't believe that'll be more than 50 Grand I'm working with Deputy city manager and procurement to put together a resolution to give me the authority to to execute a termination of that contract pursuant to our um no no fault no reason termination which I think is paragraph nine of our construction management agreement so more on that to come so that would be the next step once we do step two that will then put us into step three move forward with the project as a design bid build so we're at 50% you'll see where half is at and the major elements of this project the the Cadillac of this project are the four rugby Fields one soccer field up here I called it the arena field which is a turf field with the grand stand and lighting for all the fields concession stand restroom and a storage facility parking and then I really think kind of the heartbeat to this whole project is delivering it with an entryway that's off us27 so that that will help us with our Sports Marketing tourism M component that there's an entryway off the main Corridor in the community I think we need to instruct half to complete the design like this as we complete the design like this we will put in bid alternates we want the fields we need to we you know we can do different elements for the concession stands we can even do alternates for their Turf so we can start when we go out to the design bid build layers of rip this out rip that out to try to get it down into a budget that's palatable for the commission so I think that process will work what we need to do is establish a Susan Street sport complex budget by September 30th which is point number six the establishment of that budget can be anything you want if you say no more money it's already a budgeted project so we move forward as I described in step one through four and the budget is 4.76 MIL or you could do whatever you see fit from you know 4.76 mil to 10 and a half we don't know what the numbers are going to be we're working on estimates that have been provided from half and the constructure manager at risk firm allate until we get the 100% design complete or until we go to a design bid build don't know what the numbers are so you have options as the commission a zero increase some type of an increase or you know I think at 10 and a half million Travis and I will say we can get a pretty good project done for that and we may be under even but we don't know until we get closer so when's Closer Closer is it will take half from now until from sometime in October to get 100% design complete to where we have a set of plans and a process to go out to bid month six weeks probably Thanksgiving time now you'll have real hardcore numbers and then step nine is comb through that and figure out where it lands the one thing I'm sure of is is all of these items will not fall into 4.7 Mill that's I'm sure of that um wish list could be you know maybe we get all of that stuff for around the the original $5 million budget so that's what I'm going to recommend to you tonight and leave it on your desk do you want to modify the suan street budget as part of the fiscal year 25 plan right one more thing okay and then yes the only thing I will recommend is that if you decide not to increase the budget and leave it at 4.7 five the what we got left I will advise you to not spend or be gentle about where you spend these monies okay you you might want to shift around some DST monies okay that that's reasonable but the big one would be is if you don't increase the budget at all put this CRA money back in the 44127 CRA and go back to plan A which is stasher 44127 CR money under the offices of debt and know that in the fall you have that to fall back on if the numbers go crazy so maybe you want to go spend the unspent DST somewhere else this fiscal year I would also then say put the recreational impact fee money towards this project so I can't be clearer than that I can you go back to the first slide I mean the second slide sorry the number two I'm sorry when you had the listing of yeah that one please explain again me number two the to stop the manager at risk method was that the only method that was used to determine where I mean far as the original contract or were there several that you chose from I'm not following when you're say I'll be super brief yeah um there's a few methods of procurement that Municipal corporations use the traditional method is design bid build you go under the collective you know competitive Consultants negotiation act if you're going to do a project I believe the the limit is 2 mil if you're doing a project over two million you are required by Statute to do a competitive bid or a competitive request to select the engineer architect that you are going to use to to build you a project that's valued over two million bucks okay that project has it that process has its own process whereby you select a consultant based on their experience and then you negotiate a contract and the rule of thumb is typically what you pay your consultant should be 10% of what the project is okay so we paid half 7 mil and we're thinking yeah we're probably going to be in that $7 million ballpark for all those number four components the next thing is then you take that design you go out to bid you get your number then you bid it design bid build that process is kind of the tried and true method of Municipal corporate or government processes it's tried and true it's pretty consistent you know what you get you have opportunity to trim down its downfalls are you get hit with change orders and it takes a long time okay so as environments changed and different stuffs happened the next kind of recognized procedure is a construction manager at risk one of the other weaknesses of the design build build to this is important is a disconnect between the architectural flowery world of we can do this and we can do that and we fall in love with the design but we don't realize that all this flowery stuff is jacking up our cost until it hits the market then when we get the bid backs we're like holy cow and then we start cutting it at the end and that's kind of a catalyst too why you get all these change orders we saw that a little bit in the Venetian Center so the next kind of process construction manager RIS came involved we're around 30% design complete you marry your contractor with your architect to speed the process up ensure costs and you put off that bid requirement to your construction manager at risk because part of the construction manager risk responsibility is to go out and seek bids and then prove to the the corporation these are all the companies I checked so this is how I got to the maximum guarantee price so constru construction manager at risk process you bring in your consultant you start designing 30% design complete you bring in your construction manager risk firm done through a similar RFP process you marry them at 30% and then as you get to 90% design complete the the contractor is now he's going out he's getting his cost and so by the time the design is done you know how much everything's going to cost and then the next step is a Construction contract with the construction manager at risk which gives you a maximum guaranteed price so where this process is is falling apart is 30% 10% probably about 20% design complete we started getting numbers back from the construction manager at risk at 1819 million so that would so we were like dude this ain't going to fly so at 10% design complete we redid it and we went down to 7 million but s million you're like there's too too many big decisions on cuts and things we may or may not want to give up and and so that's the Dilemma we're at so we're I'm saying to you guys go back to the oldfashioned way design bid build and stopping this would not cause anything from slowing the process you lose 50,000 that's what I'm trying and maybe up to and it's going to depend so I need your authority to end the contract with the current company and there's there's a clause in there that says we can terminate for any reason don't have to give a reason but we're going to have to pay them for the time they have in that's so they' they've done some leg work and they've had meetings and they you know so they have some upfront cost that they get back at the end of the project and if we cut it soon we got to pay them for their time and their time is meetings and initial estimate works that they've already done and that is the number 50,000 or an estimate I'm guessing Okay that's why I'm going to say when I come back to you is give me the authority to terminate the contract and pay up to that amount and if we can't get that amount agreed to by the construction manager firm I won't have the authority to cut cut them and then I'll be back to you so on the 12th I'm going to ask for a resolution it will be on consent agenda that does that any other questions you got or comments the BL or minus 5 5 million I mean is you don't have any idea at this point how close that would get us to finishing the project I really don't commissioner okay I think I I I the the number that we have is the the rough number that we have is 7 million to build this this this this and this base model nothing fancy now grand stand it's basically those fields and lights 7 million bucks and what's the U what's the 441 CRA sitting on MoneyWise what was that 4 million making three a year we're s yep we're sitting on four making three so you could pull some out of that to help finish up this thing yes well I mean you know that would show the county Mass well I say I mean you know I mean your your knee deep in this thing now or even chest deep I don't how you not finish it at this point you leave a half a facility completed or at least at least move some money from the CRA into that if it's not needed great we can go back so if we don't move the money from the SI we we've got about 5 million sitting there right is that correct so if we moved two million from the CRA to this budget to go to seven that would then show the match that the count is going to be looking for you'll be sitting anyway and you'll be sitting on 6.7 million bucks so I'm good with that what you say Peterson I'm okay with those numbers I mean I did I did I did call Al today and I told him that the 10 was was a no-o for me I mean it was just I just couldn't stomach it I I was I told him I was not trying to torpedo the project I by the way I have fully supported this thing from day one uh but the numbers just got so crazy uh but if we got it down total 7 s a half that I'm fine with that um the as far as the I don't take this the wrong way but you know the American Rescue plan money I could use it elsewhere so um it's a little sh but I could also play the game of taking it out and using my CRA money to play the match game I shouldn't say that on the record but you but net net net we get the number down seven seven a half you know and I'm not saying I'm drawing a line of say on that number but I can move those monies around today so so so you guys are saying take two M from the CRA do you want to put back the rec money too in the hopper no no talking about the half mil the rec yes no whatever you want to do all I was saying was from a match standpoint if I understood you right the count is not calling the ARP money match money is that what you're saying corre I I to to me it is match money but to them it's not I was just playing that game they want us they want us to have some skin in the game I understand that and you okay so the 2 million is going to have to be from us match with the county regardless either we move it to Susan or sleepy according to what you're saying right yes so okay so if we move the two now we show the county that we're we've got skin into that takes it like 47 to 67 so we're roughly I mean yeah and I did really did not need to go through my analysis because my analysis really only applied if you were staying at 4.7 you just did a substitution but it doesn't really matter if you're going to s seven and a halfens yeah are we wanting to cap the project right now at like 7 million is that what we're saying CU by from what he's saying we're not going to get we're just budgeting so it would be I'm going have him help me out I think he's saying to get closer reserves if we need to pull from you still got the DST you still got the the rec funds if you don't put those impact fees in there I so here's what go ahead I'll be quiet here here's what I throw back at you just kind of spirit compromising throw two million in there from the from the CRA throw in the rec impact fee money too that establishes for fiscal year 25 a 7.25 million budget for sleepy or for Susan then now you can take this 1. and go spend it somewhere else or not spend it at all rainy day and then you now you're still sitting on a million actually youed to so of the four we we took it all and then remember still you had that the if you guys want to beef up the facade side landscape in in in 44127 remember I said a million and this so I spent that 4 million for you right and recommendation um so technically if you don't like the FSL program now you're you got 2 mil that's kind of going back into 44127 C yes and then the numbers come back at over 7.2 to get everything we to trim then then you trim or you go back to 44127 CRA [Music] okay and the unspent DS I mean the the 1.8 is just going to be Reserve in the DST DST I mean just sitting okay if that's you know if indeed the county says hey we want we want to see you throw in money that's a I mean I don't know what there I don't want to I I think we that's a pretty reasonable plan and I think it's good argument the only Grumble maybe you get the only Grumble maybe you get out of the county is using the Tiff and remember half of that money is their money so they could they could come back and be like dude that's not your skin but you know what fa and square it is it's the Tiff it's RC you know so that's that I just in that but I'm just GNA tell you if Jennifer Barker catches me one day at the city manager lunch and she's going to be say really Al you're using armony as the tip as your imag yeah we are so I may have confused you earlier so that's what I was saying earlier we could take the AR r p money pull it out put C money yeah no that's aw don't do that okay I just if I had to play the game to do the match I think that compromis a 2 million and the half of recreation gets us closer to that's a reasonable compromise right and it and it gets us up to that seven and a quarter left yeah and it's for the kids it's for the kids okay so that so we'll adjust accordingly and go forward okay um the next one kind of was um so I blew this up a little bit to show you the thing so so this kind of bleeds into the wall concept too because there was a lot of conversation I'm a wall privacy whatever um and there was a lot of conversation going on about CRA monies what to do where where how we can do it commissioner Barry brought together the finch concept so let me let me digress a little bit here give me give me a couple minutes I'm going backwards okay so first the wall concept there so the wall concept or privacy wall right how you know you want to call it would be you know couple different styles this picture up here is kind of what you see like along the highway concept um this concept here is kind of more like of a neighborhood kind of concept so this is kind of a block you know center block kind of wall this is what you see at the um along the highways this is more expensive than this believe it or not and so roughly this is about $50 a linear foot at 10 ft this is like roughly $100 a linear foot roughly at at 10 ft this has a little more sound protective qualities than this don't ask me the engineering behind it so those are kind of your Concepts so as a budgeting number if you were to build a privacy wall the concept would be it if you recognize the picture here here's Griffin here's 27441 intersection the school the gym Red Raider road so you come down Red Raider Road go into the school Red Raider Road stops and then the trail starts and goes all the way down behind bir Birchwood behind Susan Street behind Palm Plaza and then it kind of goes off the map a little bit but just actually it's not too far right about here you hit the East West Trail and this is the trail that actually comes across jumps over 27 and then comes back here behind city hall right so that's this is so this is about 3/4 of a mile so let me talk about funding um the interesting Dynamic is um Susan Street Park is split not quite down the middle but for easy conversation down the middle between the Carver height cra and the 44127 cr8 the wall is over here on the West side of the park so in short you can't use 44127 CRA money to build the wall because that's a Carver height C you could use Carver height CRA money to help the freight cost for Susan Street however the preponderant of the expensive items in Susan Street are in the 44127 CRA does that make sense yeah the big the big ticket items are going to be our parking lot this field and and I think the initial half a mill for the entry ways it's just is what we're so so I feel extremely confident that pretty much at whatever level you do whatever the especially at 2 million bucks you will easily be able to demonstrate that 2 million bucks of 44127 CRA money is spent on this side of the park not that side I I don't regress too much but back to the Susan Street do we have the access I mean stilling okay I guess by what I was going to say we're going to spend money here if we don't have the access do we still want to do it so I'm bring that up in the light of that's something to that's part of the project later on um I I you know I'm going with that okay pretty good with access from the mall I think you know the strip mall I think those folks have been talking to us we still haven't talked numbers yet but Pat sales has been a little bit hard to get in touch with but the crazy one is the Pizza Hut that we are going through Pizza Hut bureaucracy trying to get the corporate to give us are we going across their property so much traffic in front of the restaurant we can't keep the keep it on the uh trip Center property no because because the pizza uh the Pizza Hut owns this okay okay I me if you follow that yellow line this this area right in here is Pizza H property is it a State Farm agent office there too okay I think we're going to get there I would not let that hold us up yet you know and at the end of the day if we don't have this done by the time we start awarding a Construction contract that's that's the problem yeah that's what I was asking we got now probably to the end of the year to get that iron out what is what is the time frame of um projected for the start of the fields the building of the fields and like it first part of 25 so how long would it process take you think with the road cut in and six months to six months to a year the reason I was asking I was um it was proposed um in an early conversation I had that maybe for the wall that we build like a little a bit at a time is that possible some this year some this year some this year that's however you however you want to do it the the number we gave you was a big number I think we Pro you could probably do better than the million but I think you know that is it more expensive each time you go back to add on to another what okay thank you mind yeah the answer is going to be yes because then you you mobilize and there's you know there's a typical line item in a contract that's a mobilization cost and so the contractor charges you for bringing in their equipment bringing in their people and so where where you get hit as more expensive is the mobilization charge and it's typically a pretty big number depends on the product but I mean it's it's a you know depending on what kind of project you do it's a big number so if you start a project and finish a project say you have a million dollar project and you got $100,000 is IM mobilization because it cost a contractor whatever to bring their equipment and their people so if you do a million dollar project but you do a third of it you may may may still have a $100,000 mobilization costs but I'm only going to do $300,000 a work and a third of that's mobilization so now if you repeat that you're going to pay that mobilization cost 1 2 3 four times okay so I think you know just with reference to the wall you know it just it it it depends what the flavor of the commission and the CRA body is on you know is that an Endeavor that you can collectively agree to do all of it some of it none of it and I think that's a conversation that be have to have curious I was talking to Deputy city manager yesterday I think it was about this instead of a wall could we do grants for those communities to build a wall around those separate those communities so you're not putting a wall down the whole Trail but those sections of homes or people where they're having issues do a grant so they can build a wall on those certain sections and it might be cheaper does that make sense there was something I thought about uh we may be saying the same thing a grant to help the residents put up fence if they choose to if they choose to or or if it's a set of homes and they want I'm not sure which one you're talking about I don't know it the main traffic you you would know use a little pointer and show me where the Big Lots yeah so so so this is the traffic so everything comes out from Susan Street traffic going both ways we'll go out onto the highway right and then if there so from a crime perspective if there's an armed robbery in that area even across the street they're going to run through the Big Lots parking lot north or souths side and they're going to book through Susan Street and so the the thought process there is if that if there's a barrier um the length of that forces them to run around it's more time to get caught so less time for them to probably think about committing that crime in that particular area so that's a thought process there and then the other is for the homeless that are walking so you know we've done an outstanding job of keeping solicitors and panhandlers off the street but there's still a lot of people that are walking in that direction and so they're getting their shopping carts from that and then they're cutting through right there too um and so kind of trying to direct that traffic keeping that on the the thorough fars instead of going through neighborhoods because that's what the commissioner was talking about people leaving junk and you know everywhere so I I mean a project like this can have good intentions that we're trying to stop the the flow of unwanted traffic through a through an area that traffic's not supposed to be going through okay I worry that the Optics of this is going to say we are Walling off a community from our from retail from public we can't get to Publix now because there's a wall and I I just have concern earns that you can view you know you can view this yeah we're stopping the homeless traffic and the golf but we're also preventing access from a community to I mean I don't know how else to say it you know I just worry that you know there it's a two-edged sword but no um no mayor barer it's you're not cutting off resource or walking to and from businesses you're forcing them to walk the trail you're not stopping them from going to a business you can still get to Palm Plaza if you're on the trail you take the trail from a cormi to Cent 14th Street make a left yeah you're at Burger I mean yeah the oh and I popey's and the Palm Plaza yeah I I just you take the other you put up a wall it well doesn't look the athetics well right now it doesn't look the the Aesthetics would definitely improve the community the first and most important thing that my constituents and what people are stating is the safety that's the first and foremost I was adding in the two for one far the sound barrier for the residents that will be impacted by the level of sports and attraction that we we hope to bring in the goal for this is to be a number one um Sports entertainment area where we will go as late as however late night you want to go with the I mean it's not going to be a cut off time is it am I asking I mean am I assuming do you stop a sport at a certain time we don't have much that goes after we have a at H right now we shut it down at games done at 10: lights off at 10:30 okay 10:00 p.m. that's still night time for residents that are not at the game that we should be considerate of them so I'm saying I was I'm suggesting since working in trying to develop a protection for security why not do the sound barrier wall as well that was just that was my thought added to two and one but the first and foremost is for safety the second is for um the saving the community from the blight the third is for the sound barrier for the games and fourth if you want to add just making the community well that should be first making the community better because you don't have the traffic that comes to and through through through to and from of that walkway because that's the quickest way to get there and yeah do you want to make it convenient for everyone that's the purpose of the trail it's not stopping them you still can go to the Palm Plaza you still can go till anywhere on 27 you just force now to walk on the trail versus cutting through through and one more thing I want to add one of the um properties on Chester right next to the reservoir can you picture it's it's somebody's land that used to be all grass and green now it's nothing but car trails from driving to go to whoever goes to fishing and the walk through and they're very concerned about it so it's it's it's a problem so I understand I understand I you know let me I can I ask maybe Travis a question with regard to noise complaints so we don't have any barrier wall out at Sleepy Hollow which has been a you know I mean do we get complaints from the neighborhood uh out there I don't you know sound problems that's not in the same setup as Sleepy Hollow as um Susan Street look at the difference you're right here look at the map you're right there Birchwood Hill Street I mean those houses are right behind the the shrubs all along Sleepy Hallow no if well what I can recall going out to sleepy hall and seeing I haven't actually witnessed to being a home to know what I hear but this is actually excuse me let me speak for myself our my resident is right there and you hear it the level of what we're anticipating is something to consider and I don't think it was thought through I mean am I right did y'all consider Road I mean during the process did you consider sound barriers for the sports no how would you want to pay for this well we just been stated that it has to be through CRA money for Carver Heights cuz it's not 2741 no I'm not okay a million dollars for CRA money but that is the option so I we got to work through I'm hoping just like we're working through and discussing other options for the Susan Street project we can work through the project I mean options for payments for the CRA Cara Heights but that is an issue but my concern is I just want you the Commissioners to be aware of until you see it it's hard to describe CU looking through at an angle you don't see the activity and you just need to come and look and that's all I ask that you do and then that way that you'll be at least you can have your own Vision we you could even walk it and then you can make up your own I mean to see it you'll think differently I mean would you think the the CRA of Carver would want to spend that kind of money out of their budget think so I I don't think so I don't know but I know the concern the effect that we'll have afterward is would be much greater for us Community I think I mean even if we were to entertain this I think maybe we should speak to that board I think I think so too I think so too but you know we bring all our concerns I think but I I do agree with the mayor too I think the Aesthetics may not look all that great it's just you know I just wor it just seems like exclusion rather than protection especially if you go with a 20 foot 20 foot and then you know who paints the graffiti who fixes the graffiti who you know there's that is so true that's why I was thinking of the soundproof that's used on the um Turnpike area roads but then had no idea the cost of pricing and stuff oh I knew a few people lived out by Sleepy Hollow and I'm going from living in other cities people who live near ballparks i' never heard anybody complain about noise what they complain about was the lights I can see light the lights the lights are going to be the issue I can see the lights being an issue as well but I can also say that could be we can't control the lights because you need the lights to see but the sound we definitely can control I thought that as well that was on my list too to say um I agree with canel and mayor bur um I I did go out there yesterday I I drove what did you think I I I drove everywhere I drove all through Susan Street I drove all back behind publ everywhere I was going to go [Music] back yeah you can just the parking lot I went back there I assessed everything and it just I I cannot get comfortable with the wall I mean I respect the or understand the concerns for security and I'm open to any ideas on that I we are talking about hiring more law enforcement but you know clear I'm open to ideas as well the wall was the suggestion after the fences and every the chain links everything else I'm not a law enforcement person but I just I don't see I don't see how the wall is going to do anything to affect that I did sit behind Big Lots for a while yesterday and there's a trail there and I mean I saw people come and going and you know they walk in they walk most of them had a bag and a soda in their hand but that that's daytime too but so I sat there and said these people are going to be annoyed I just cut them off um but without going sideways I I think we can find better ways to spend the money um as far as safety I'm open to any and all ideas uh from day one since you came on the commission you've expressed that concern um and I'm very open mind that any ideas there I think we can spend the money in better ways than than on a wall um Mike may I add um Al well that from the Big Lot side where you were sitting that's possible that you only saw a few but you need to come around the other side when they come on the other end of the Cara Heights section that's where the issues are cuz people walk around Big Lots from the Big Lots to the Sams to the Wendy's and to the Palm Plaza that's steady traffic of shopping and walking it's when they come through to come to the other end and the only only other idea I had when I was out there yesterday was I don't want to cut trees down but maybe we clearing out a lot of underbrush help law enforcement I mean and I I meant to look and see who owns what back there but I'm assuming we own most of that land um behind the two shopping centers but I mean is that is that impacting law enforcement I mean there's a lot of heavy growth back in there clusters of it here and there would that help or is that not no no okay um I I will tell you this though your your police chief um is actually a certified crime prevention through environmental design specialist um he was trained in doing that we have several in the police department that are um and so at any point that you guys have any questions for him or want him to come do a briefing um it talks about residential commercial and that whole program is it it it's and we offer it to homeowners if they want shows how to had a Target Harden their homes with the right Shrubbery and the right fencing and lighting and cameras and that sort of thing um so he certainly would be a good resource to reach out to get his opinion on on that matter um fencing is at 9008 lighting is at 9008 I don't know if cameras are at 9008 but it is a walking path between 9008 and mount siai church that is the cut through so that was something to consider this obviously A New Concept brought to y'all so this might be something you kind just want to talked about it now a couple of evenings it might be something more you guys want to schedule a meeting with the CRA I like to yeah so we'll get that on the books for August [Music] okay uh just a couple other recap items John Al Johnson Park restrooms I came to you on Tuesday and said we need more money I am stand corrected um and long story short I just think there's there was a little bit of communication issue with between myself and Cliff uh trying to get this executed as quick as possible using the construction manager risk method potentially maybe working with a local vendor um and a direction of wanting to provide an attractive bathroom for a community and providing an attractive facility that matches what we do in palore park same as car Heights the same as Pine Stree and so when the number of 1,200 square feet came up that the other day that kind of went over my head because I'm buried in a bunch of different numbers so I plead I didn't connect the dots um Wednesday the first thing I did was yell at cliff and Rob and said how'd this get off track where are we at uh because 1,200 squ feet is obviously as big as a house yeah um so here's where I think we need to go I am going to gracefully suggest that you do not allocate any more money to this project take your advice and go design bid build and go design bid build what we've already already done and what we've already done is a facility that looks like this this is about a 400t facility this is the bathroom at ski Beach we also built this bathroom I believe Susan Street very and we also did this exact same bathroom at Barry park there you go um it has a urinal and a toilet for men and a b and a sink and a genitori closet it has two toilets for the ladies and a sink the janitorial closet it has a little Cabana over it with a water fountain and the city label on there it's attractive it's a it's a block building with a brick on the bottom it's tile on the inside um it's I think everybody agrees they're attractive nice facilities so here's here's our experience we built one in 2017 in Barry Park for 118 Grand 400 square feet 300 Square $300 a square the one we built on Ski Beach was 2019 for 176,000 so you kind of see prices are going up I threw this number out there for you because when the roof caught fire um it went up it was it was it was 20 grand to just to redo like this section of the roof um so long story short we have this spec we need to marry it with our on retainer uh kind of city engineer Keith riddle his site plan these plans put into a bid packet design designed bid build so I've already instructed um procurement to do that so we will get that out to bid ASAP and we will be back to you uh either with a contract under 300 Grand or the bid came in over so you will see this project again on your desk hopefully in the form of a contract at or below the budgeted amount 200 Grand right no it was three I was asking for an extra two okay um and I think where did we budget it it's in Project it's C project DST so we to threw 300 at DST this fiscal year for that project so we'll get it out to bid hope you know it comes back to you at or below budget ju just a quick question um I could be wrong when we did the rebuild at ski Beach I thought I heard some talk that we changed a few things inside to make it stronger to minimize damage I I don't or more concrete versus wood because of the fire no I don't know we if we did it's in the SP that's all I'm saying it's a standard it was a standard building we built because we did that with a different construction method which was that catalog thing I I don't remember but if we we got kind of another we look we have a couple of different facilities okay I think where we want to go is we want to have attractive facilities and we want to be equivalent no matter where we put it yes some of the things that interfere with that are connection to sewer sure okay so the first thing that I would say is well then why do you have an ouse at single T in Henderson park because the soils and because there's no good sewer connection and believe it or not even at Henderson park right there next to the sewer plant you can't get waste water across the tongue of Lake Hill her Herlong down at single ter same thing you know we got what so those have ouses because have we can't get it connected to the public sewer we have a smaller one bath um facility at at Corine Williams Park right now it looks horrible but we're at least we're in the process of making that look more attractive okay but that Park does not generate the same amount of traffic that John L Johnson Ski Beach or Barry Park provide so we think you know we're recommending that John L Johnson Park gets a gets some traffic a lot of folks out there playing ball and using equipment it's on a major Corridor being the boulevard you know it def the 400t facility yeah we'll get it out the bid and hopefully it's on budget I don't mean to Bel laor this the if we had a rerun back to 2019 um one of the reasons you know the probably the biggest complaint we get about that bathroom is where we put it so let me just revisit why we did it there closest to the look up it wasn't close it a well that's B that was secondary but primary was the further south you go on Ski Beach the Monier the building got so I think we were looking at a number around 50 Grand to solidify the soil to put that on top of and we we originally were thinking put it right there by the by the boat ramp yeah that was an error if we had a redo we should have spent the extra but we did the same thing back then that we're doing now holy and back then it holy cow how does a bathroom cost $125,000 and so same issue s so as we struggled about spending $125,000 you know we recommended to you then let's say 50 and just put it up in a little more s we should have spent the extra 50 and beefed up the ground okay so I don't believe we're going to have the soil issue it's on John no we're on a hill there and I told Al today it's easy to armch quarterback and criticize that decision one of my I wish I would have any so we'll get that out to bid and to be continued give us about 60 days he's not looking at me all right I'm listening the next issue was was the gas the relocation of gas um this is proably I think the next big again I said you know Bob um thimothy has been after me about getting these facilities changed out uh because I've outgrown them they're dilapidated but um so um the the facility down here on Fifth Street um also houses andies materials so the concept would be we have this building if hopefully you recognize that picture that is the Knights of Columbus um we put the teen center in there in intermittently while we're building the boys and girls club now that the teen center is at the teen center that building is empty and we have it so Bob put together kind of this concept uh and so by the way this is so where is the where the heck is this building this is Griffin Road this is 27 this is is that that's the gymnasium no that's the school the gymnasium is right here right so that's the school that's the fire department this is the entry into the electric Department all this is the electric Department this is Corine Williams Park um that's Tally Road so that little building right there is that thing right there we own this so basically what we would do is Bob put together kind of a ref sketch of how he would change this building up and I think I think this is the front actually um this is how he would redo it parking and then he needs a a storage facility so this was our rough concept that's been sitting on Bob's and my desk waiting on an offer to buy the gas facility so the offer never came the budget time beat the offer but we we need to I I'm encouraging the commission to move on this project we need more storage facility for electric for gas I think a million dollars gets it um because there's a couple different storage facilities we can do with different Morton buildings with rehabing this hiring a design contractor and I really recommend using the All recovery money because that will help us not impact the general fund and that will um also help us keep our rates down yeah and it consolidates two utilities it it also opens up space for downtown do you want to share your concept yeah I do um we spoke about um Tuesday night about maybe pulling the is it the ARP money from the marina to put to this so it didn't have to come out of the gas department and I think there's proposal of like 1.3 million from discretionary sales tax to the down Town parking concept I would like to see take the because you can't use this sales tax money towards the gas so I would like to see take the ARP money from that we have for the the slots the boat slots move that and take care of the gas department and then take care take the discretionary sales tax money for the downtown concept for the parking and move that to Marina and still build our 46 boat slips with so with that not to I don't you know your eyebrows raised you know so here's so there's there's a hybrid presentation to this so let me let me back up commission canel I don't you know because there's all so all the projects here's what on the hybrid to what commissioner canel would say I would take this money this is back to Susan Street we were throwing unspent DST to get us up to 10. half million right remember after you pay all the bills in DST you hang out around 1.3 to 1.5 million bucks of a project you can do every year with est money after you pay all your bills that's where we came up with the 1.3 to go to downtown I would take this money this DST money I would put that to the marina and then I would take the American Recovery money and put that to the move the gas and then you still have parking you still have slips and you relocate the gas but is that going to cut us almost $2 million short on Susan Street we just I thought we just talked about we're going to have $7 million towards Susan Street no you guys decided stop you guys decided tonight to stop a seven and a quarter and then come seven and a quarter didn't include the 1.8 from the DST no that was yeah you you said took it out of C use this use this so that that limits you a little bit you so if the bids come back crazy right where are you going to go to in the in the middle of the year so you're either going to say that's it 7.25 million or where else you're going to get other money you'll have you know under this concept you'll have about 800,000 of unallocated DST because you think you're only going to need about a million for the slips because it's a million list right so you're throwing back 800 into the DST Hopper and then you you'll still have a little bit of cash by my depending on where you go with the FSL Grant you have somewhere between one and two million in unspent 44127 if you need to go back in the fall and fatten up Susan if that comes over 7.25 and if you want to go over that number because you may say in the fall 7.25 is it right and then and then instead of throwing more money at it we'll start cutting Fields out or whatever we whatever so back to the gas um the gas department doesn't have the money to pay the million dollars I the gas department has the million dollars okay I mean I'm just raising the question I mean kind of caught me off guard that we would use non non- gas money pay for gas I am recommending the hoarding of gas money to help get that fund built back up and kind of get back to the time frame as as that money comes back up then you transfer those monies out to do Capital improv okay because it did have money I KN I knew we' been stressed a bit lately and so I don't have the gas thing up here this evening but the gas fund is coming back you know so I mean could it could it afford this that was the gas chart from the other night so gas is coming back and so kind of the concept where I'm recommending to you all is let the gas reserves build and build and build and then when the next special project comes you have that fund to take it out of gas because I think gas is going to be the Enterprise fund you know KN going in the future not like electric not like water sewer that you'll have money from an Enterprise fund to go back in and fund but you don't want to use that million dollars in gas today I respect your answer I was just curious that's yeah correct I don't recommend that but if you guys want to keep DST somewhere else and you want to build the facility go to the gas reserve and grab a million bucks it the gas reserve has it yeah the other thing that I like about using the ARP money for this is It's a joint project it's general fund it's gas fund and it's electric fund and so then then you don't have to sit in my chair listening to a gas director saying I'm paying for everybody's stuff and and remember so that goes that goes back and for so it's kind of a Uncle Joe wrote us a big fat check so share it yeah because it's a joint fund project and the those monies do have some time limitations on them is that not correct I think they do I think I mean I don't know what they were but there was I think you're right five to 10 I think that was right for my le so you but we keep kicking that the road hey the federal government's chasing down4 trillion believe it or not it's hard to spend it that fast you I I get that but so a I think we're going to have it spent and B I think there's argument if we were ever got audited to say once we got it allocated we spin it right right can you restate your plan that we do gas slips and okay so what so so what would happen is the 1.8 of unspent DST monies which is in your DST Reserve right take a million of that and build your slips yep take the that do give us a little return 10 years but 1 million that we had for the marina slips 850 that's 850 not a million she keeps 850 so we might have to marry it with some gas money after all depending on where that goes take the 850 that's for the slips and shift that over to do the gas relocation and keep the $1.3 million of fiscal year 25 DST money in downtown and then that then the 1.3 million would cover I no I was going to say I would say I'm fine with that shifting it all around like that to make it work but and you know as we spoke Tuesday I mean a lot of these projects before we spend any of this we're just allocating it to it it'll come back to us for the on the on what we're doing with it so yeah I'm okay with that I want to finish the marina I mean ideally me I guess I came in this meeting tonight going you know let's at least finish what we started you know uh which be the marina um and this keeps both of those going building flips I wouldn't clear on that okay we got a million still in the building that we're not even talking about we were just talking about that's that's where I got confused just might help me 1.3 is for the Downtown parking plan it's in the capital project right can can I tack on to what you said commissioner so the 1.3 is fiscal year 25 anticipated DST revenues it would go to Downtown parking the Downtown parking project I would Define as the following we'll need Professional Services to design us a concept for parking we'll need to knock down the old partnership building we'll need to also examine the conforming and non-conforming existing spaces along Main Street and all the numbered streets and Better Way finding signage around downtown so that we have consistent signage you know that attractive nice so we have some attractive nice stuff that says City Hall public parking and then we have cheesy green signs that say public parking and then in some spots we have no signage so those are all the birds that all the things things that we are trying to knock out with 1.3 million bucks so what if that leave downtown CRA money Z no you are now sitting on I told you on Tuesday that there was $343,000 left because there was 43 unallocated there's 343 left and by the way since we just cut John L Johnson par you got 500,000 left in downtown CR until we yeah so you could dos GRS you know I'm going with that I know we're both of you going so I'm raising my one hand first or who's speaking first goad you go ahead let's listen to go ahead uh I'm listening I would you want me to say cuz I know oh I'm sorry Alan go ahead excuse me it wasn't me go ahead I would like to see some FSL grants you would like to see home Grant so you've got about a half a million dollars to split between and I'll throw another one on there just to confuse you another historic building Redevelopment Grant home Grant more FSL money where's the other historic building that would be just one of the the building no just in general I think when we drew the box there were eight multistory multi-use grants you've spent three of the million so do you want to fund that or not yes I should have kept my grant the home Grant's being funded by Carver height CRA for that for that side town yeah okay okay okay I am open to splitting are we still sitting on the 250 for the historic you can pull that money to make it even larger for the historic building yeah we get we did a million we did oh but that's the one to split this and I said it wrong it's a split between it's a split between sewer electric and oh that's the one okay so 250 left so you guys talked about well let's not do that at all then I would say you need to put it back split split split and it was and it was so so so you got 250 left that's unallocated so you would have to split that in thirds electric water and glr greater leberg would need to get it back if you didn't want if you wanted King X have we had have we had any inquiries uh Mr Cal Kario Brian culo yes is that FSL Grant you're talking about that's the historic Grant token to do the building behind him the I've kind of put him on hold because he's already gotten a grant I think he's going to move forward with his project so and that would be I heard he was just doing res presential so that would he says he's got a commercial element got to have yeah that's to qualify to qualify multi-use multi and that would have to be downstairs I mean I apartment's upstairs all right so if we keep that 250 there then that leaves us a little over half a million for yes you got half a million to play with for next year in downtown C perhaps you guys want to have bring in the other CRA commissioners and you're going to do one might as well and I would recomend love these meetings I would recommend you don't do it on Monday night so why don't we'll schedule the you know maybe we need to do an hour increment you know hour for downtown and an hour for car Heights on Tuesday or Thursday night in a what what are we talking about you guys good with that it was y it was two thing I mean I'm open for it Tuesday or Thursday next Thursday no sometime in August Thursday you like Tuesday I prefer Tuesday okay so we'll try to get a a CRA budget night sometime in August on the Tuesday there were two things then for CRA cuz that was also the shot the the ring to determine where the shootter is take the shot spotter is that any further information provided on that no I wait I'll wait till you say very expensive it's all for you very expensive it's expensive and that's an annual reoccurring cost and the results that come from it are when we get shots fired we get phone calls from Neighbors which is what most cities are finding and so a lot of the large cities are going away from it it's it was a novel idea and it where it really worked well was in cities who had infrastructure with smart cameras everywhere like Chicago and then they just killed their system based on social impact not on um criminal so unless you have a net around the area it's just letting you know that there was a gunfire gun and we get those calls you're still back at square one coming out to okay but but I'll give this to you I I I guess I wouldn't clear what we're doing down we doing with the downtown CRA we talk I'm a little confused I'm going I'm going into the the sign facade Grant versus Home Improvement Grant I just got lost somewhere all that so I will I will I will let me give you I think let me let me do this real quick because we I think we can wrap up cips here yes okay so here here's here's where we'll go let me do it let me do it by pictures on on Susan Street you all are leaning towards the adoption of a plan that puts 2 million of 44127 CRA and half a million to Total 2.5 million in additional funding into Susan Street which gives us about7 and A4 million and go down the design bid Bill way yes so that impact Fe that will lead you to talk and and while I'm at it let's let's go when we have these meetings um you probably should have a put your your 44127 CRA Centric thoughts in we could maybe we could probably schedule that for a regular meeting because you guys are that body so you guys can talk about where you want to go with 44127 CRA money at a regular Mee yeah okay so I I'll schedule that street if we start whittling down that project will that affect the TDC no because we made promises to the TDC to fulfill those that contract down let me change let me change my answer I don't think it will materially change the two major points in our partnership with the county that we have to be concerned about are putting skin in the game which I think this does the second is is if if we Whittle down now the project to fit in a seven .2 million project does that affect us with the county and the answer is maybe the county doesn't care what we build the county is giving us 2 million bucks in the Sports Marketing offices that we're doing rectangle Sports at Susan and Diamond Sports at sleepy so they're putting up TDC money because we're Sports Marketing leeburg and that helps Lake the hiccup in that gide up is the new provision in that contract which is the clawback provision if we did something that dumbs down the project to keep it in a budget and then prevents us from bringing people in to where we don't meet the futuristic definition of the parameters of what the clawback will be that has the potential to affect us paying back money to the county it's that foggy because we don't have the definition of what the Matrix is going to be to define the clawback provision because the county attorney's office did not want to Define that in the contract that you had approved on Monday so on the second meeting in August the county will approve that contract we will then be tasked with defining what the measuring Matrix will be for performance we have recommended to the tahi C committee that it's not in hotel stays it is in events held don't hold us to hotel stays because we said the county lacks enough room nights anyway they're filled so if you're going to do it based on that Matrix we're going to fail right we want to do it leberg recommendation is we want to do it based on we're going to build this facility and we're going to have these many events and if we have these many events at this facility we've attracted people therefore you can assume that we're bringing Marketing in that's where we want to head we haven't headed there yet I think speaking for Travis I think Travis is of the opinion that yeah we can probably reduce field size instead of doing rugby we can do football size or soccer the soccer is a little bit right little bit bigger than a football football so and still have a good facility to draw people in which hits that Matrix so I know it's there's some risk in there but I wouldn't advise worrying about that right now I'm just s it's on the table because you know maybe in three years I come back to you and say we got to pay the county yeah it was sold to the TDC a certain way and if there the County's going off the recommendation of the TDC board would that changes so that's my only concern so you got it so we need to work we need to get convinced the TDC board to define the measuring Matrix as I stated here events that how many events we that's what we want does it matter about attendance or just events events okay Cliff did I Cliff tra we we we set three types of events like Hallmark is big ones and G a number system it is something that this commission did approve yes when we did the so the original long story short it's on your radar it's on the radar and I explained it at this level pretty good okay so back to this recap okay so Susan Street 2 million from the 441 C half a million we got about seven and a quarter the wall project we're going to set up a meeting with the CRA you've got about a million dollars to talk about in the Caro height C what you want to spend it seems like the two big items are um expansion of the Home Improvement Grant and car Heights and consideration of the wall got a million dollars to talk about it we'll meet in uh with the CRA board next month or this you know whenever we can get the a Tuesday everybody schedule but definitely before we adopt the budget John Johnson Park out the bid we we we'll take care of that um we're going to on this one we are going to [Music] shift $850,000 of ARP money to the gas relocation project and $1 million of this DST money back to the slit project which puts 800 Grand of unspent DST money back in the hit sir yeah then we're also going to have a downtown CRA meeting same night we do the car height c meeting and we're going to talk about the half a million bucks that you have left to spend in the downtown CRA and then while we're on the downtown CRA it looks like you're leaning towards allocating $1.3 million of DST Monies to parking question yeah and that's what we talked about tonight and I followed all that I got lost when these two were talking about FSL versus home but that's C that's a downtown CRA discuss okay okay got what we do with it you where got that was that was back to you've got the half a million bucks of the downtown CRA commissioner Barry wants to put it towards uh implementing the Home Improvement program in the down C commissioner reesman wants to spend some of that money on I'm hoping toit it I'm not saying $500,000 no no no you got 500 to spend and the the argument point there was commissioner Barry wants to throw money at the home Grant in the downtown CRA commissioner reesman wants to throw money into the FSL program with the unallocated residual and I brought this up Tuesday night the downtown CRA already gives half the money to the CDC and it's being used I thought for Home Improvement Grants homes so I'm not Shock so we split the money so we already give them half I'm not sure why take the other half and go put it is that homes that the CDC owns or I don't know I mean but it's for the it's for the benefit of that community so they're already getting half I guess I'm a little confused by the other half I mean they drew the division you know after the lawsuit and not to cut you off maybe I'm missing something I think that's the conversation you need to have with the entire CRA board and you guys you guys have some commissioner Peterson's position is he doesn't want to put any more money into the home program because that's why we give the big contribution required by the it was by the way it's 499,000 in this F the the decree says we give half of the increment to the CDC so commissioner Peterson is saying Kings x no more money towards housing he wants to spend residuals in downtown commissioner Barry is saying we need more money for housing so okay okay that's teed up for you can I make a comment please let me please add to answer I hope I can answer where I'm coming from for you mik um commissioner Peterson excuse me the let me just start this way I'm asking for um money to go towards the Home Improvement program because when the original program was voted on by the commission it was originally for I mean FOC focused on the west the Cara Heights Montclair area that's where the request was and that was where I wanted to do my the excuse me do the project for district one for the Woodland Park Community if you can recall I would just wanted to do the 48 homes to see if a pilot to see if it was successful and work and I must I don't want to bore you but I must go back and let us go down this Trail because at that moment in the CRA meeting I was voted out that that I could not concentrate on one area of the CRA and it had to be ex um divied all across for the division I mean district one somehow whatever happened the applications were given out to both cras and information was presented to the east side the lebur downtown CRA the east side of Pine Street going on further where applications were submitted received and these individuals the residents were under the impression and was told that they would not be considered on this round of the dollars for the Home Improvement but the next time the roll out they would be we're now sitting I'm not sure cuz I can't speak of how many but there are actually I'm going to say about 10 that I'm aware of that have submitted applications to the housing department and waiting to get the next funding for this round and I feel we owe an obligation because it was presented that way and we told them that the next round of money that comes through they would be entitled to it that is not the CRA block for Cara Heights Montclair that was the downtown CRA so now we have a situation in which people are looking for their homes to be improved because they were told they had actually completed applications and now we have nothing to offer them and no reason to say well I don't know what to say but the fact that there's no money now I'm thinking 10 homes it might be less I'm not sure that would be a conversation that we could have with Sandra Al maybe do you know exactly how many how many applications came from the greater lebg no mhm so um just just trying to see if we could close that and then next time we go for actually asking for um next budget time I want to ask for to continue the same process cuz there are still homes from nle road to Childs that are still in that CRA block that needs attention to for just like any other home and I think that's only fair that we should offer that then my next thing is to say my understanding and please correct me um Al the payment that comes through every year to the CDC is due to the lawsuit that goes to the CDC I don't know what the direct plans are for the CDT I want to say and hope that there's Improvement for district one but do you have the application of the breakout of the projects that they're that they're planning on doing I can't answer that so I don't know I mean all all I know I actually don't know what they've done I know they've built some houses they've rehabed some houses they bought some properties on uh Pine Street but if we're going to have a home improvement Grant in the downtown CRA it needs to be for all the downtown CRA because we've got houses around downtown that need work too so okay I'm only speaking on applications that were given out and received back to housing but I agree with you toally it's should be offered all the way across the leeburg area if I had my way I mean I would be asking for money from everywhere if I could take some of the CRA from money from the CRA of Carver Heights and Monclair I would definitely try to share but you can't do that but I agree and I'm not I'm not trying to consider just that block that's just what has happened so well we need to find out C we need find out CDC is doing because I think they're I thought and think they're doing kind of what you want but we find that out I'm sure they're doing everything they can approve the area I just can't answer that but I know the Home Improvement Grant applications were put on a hold because they were not in the Montclair carva Heights area so therefore they were put down under another file until the next time fed we funded this caror Heights play you created the home grant that increased the amount of things that you could do the amount of money you could get but it's only been funded with K height C money which means you can only apply that program to the Carver Heights unless you apply it to the 44127 CRA with 44127 CRA money with downtown money to downtown or the general fund which would then cover everything that is not in their CRA right I'm open for any suggestions from Commissioners if you have them how would you handle this at this point at this juncture that we have have people waiting on a list to get their houses improved and they're not there's nothing available I'm fine with coming up with some kind of resolution but do we want to discuss it at this no I would say CRA but I just wanted to let you know where we are so that when we start the discussion this is not just in addition to this is based on what has happened from last year the Flyers were passed out and an expectation was set so right to ask the CDC how that money is being spent I mean I know the tax returns or public records but I I mean I would think there's transparency there I'm just I mean I don't know I'm curious what they're doing I yes I mean if I for the CDC to provide you presentation can we have that prior to the or would they come do a presentation or just give a report to you you can ask I don't care I just like to know how the money being spent be happy to come and I as commissioner I'm willing to request I don't have a problem I can ask we will reach out to the CDC and commissioner reesman you won it before the CRA Workshop so you kind kind of know something be nice yeah okay all right so the stage is set we got some homework to do all right that covers the cips the witching hours 5 after 7 I'm gonna ask for 25 minutes to hit water and sewer and see how you feel okay I'm good that'll that'll that now water sewer is easy I promise and there's actually some good news there um how long will airport take so we don't have Trac how about we do water sewer airport and get done by 7:30 I think we I think we can be pretty quick honestly water's actually in pretty good shape and there's nothing major to report um they're they're sitting on about 14 million uh several million above the the the reserve requirement um most of the expenses are all the same they're banking about $800,000 so if we live in the perfect vacuum a 4.4 goes up by 800 Grand so it'll be a little over 15 mil by the end of the year um let me review the current projects that we're working on because we've had internally we've shuffled some this is all approved money um it comes to you in the form of contracts so some of it has been spent some of it hasn't been spent but we are working within our budget parameters and then you'll approve these projects on contracts the big issue that probably that this is we're talking about for the first time is not to be associated with the turnpike wastewater treatment plant which I do all the time the turnpike widening relocation project so I put a little picture down here the state is in the process of widening the turnpike at 27 so this is Royal Highlands this is the little the Orlando Regional Center this is BL this is um Bary this is lien nichels so you know if you're going south to North that's so you know where this intersection blue right the the state is widening this the highway to what six Lanes or something keep rolling up Lan and so they're putting a lane on the North side and the south side of the turnpike and in our way is water and sewer so we have to move these lines so they have to so they can widen the project we think we estimate our water expenses 2.1 million bucks so we had some Savings in some other projects chested some money around we've got $2.1 million stashed to move that we have no choice we got to do it when we get there they they had a target of getting this we want to get this done by the end of fiscal year 25 yes they're not they they haven't even let their contract but we have to have plan in place and have our utilities move before they can let the contract and when was their target date to get this done so they let the contract in 25 so 26 sish it'll be coming pretty quick I mean they're they're rolling up when when will they be they want to they it's it's program for this fiscal year which their fiscal year starts in July so they want to execute or let the contract before the end of this fiscal year for them so for July of so give me a date C drop that date is July that we need to have the water moved by they so so we got to do it we got to get it done yes end end end the story end July 25 that's got to be moved next one is the 27 main we're about to go this we've talked about this is the upgrade of that the the main from middle Essex to 48 that helps get the widen the straw to get water down to South leeburg that should be going out to bit here in the next month or so Highland state water Highlands water storage tank we actually so we shifted a lot I think we had three million budgeted for this so when that came under budget we shifted it over here um that that you've approved that contract that if you've noticed that tank is about three4 up so we're moving on that the Water fluide Project you approved so that's going to get started um then the next one we um you're going to see this on on the fleet fund too but a a gen the main generator at the main water treatment plant here on of Main Street blew up it doesn't work we did an emergency purchase to get a new one done that's in procurement so we're getting bids to buy this generator super quick when we have it purchased we come back to you guys post facto to approve the purchase under the EM emergency spending Clause we didn't want to waste any time we got to get that generator up that's what we're working on right now the future um we didn't put a whole lot of big projects in there because we got a pretty big task list right now hence one of the reasons why we're throwing some money back in the the hopper um so this is basically repair stuff um were we doing CIP no doing CIP inre of water we do that every year no we're doing that to I all the waste okay everything else we'll do the CIP increase on the rates like we've been doing every year that's water sewer excuse was it water last couple years we talked about that we were under the market on our rates yes with all the is this a time to I guess with the with the m okay with because I think we're going to end up hitting people probably with electric and I don't think you I understand respect that thank and we can kick I feel look you you've heard me hedge my bets water we can kick the can sewer we might not be able to but there's some good news potentially in sewer so sewer if you look at the cash graph holy cow we got a ton of money no this yellow is the bond money on so once the plant's done in the middle of the next summer this yellow will be gone so look at the green we're tining down fixing stuff there's a silver lining about two years ago duberry came to us and said there there was a there's a state revolving program don't hold me to this but I think a lot of this is American Recovery money that got shifted out and called different stuff the the the safy shaffy grant what to stand for to Happ in Cliff for hurricane for Hurricane you told me to remember long story short Robert belr about two years ago and said hey there's money floating around you guys need to go grab we said Robert do us an application we did it we turned it in we got notified by robt Bob duberry on the 26th of June that says if you guys do this paperwork we'll get them mine probably Appropriations for Hurrican F there you go hurricane for long story short that one front we're we're on the on the cusp don't count it it's a bird in the bush still okay about 20 million bucks it's shaped in the form of a state revolving fund so even though they're calling a state revolving fund you don't have to pay it back it's forgiven so we're in the middle of working with cliff and Jim to get the paperwork in it's due by the TW the 12th we should probably know 90 days after that if we get the money okay if we get the money we can Bank it if we Bank it this won't drop as bad as we think that'll help us re-evaluate rates Jim is already yelling in my ear saying we need to raise these rates I'm saying let's get the can on this let's see what happens with the 20 mil the 20 mil then maybe we want to refy that sewer debt I probably would say don't do that because I think we're getting the debt covered but then that will give us some good Monies to start looking at some other Improvement projects projects that's really the big news and Sewer everything else pretty much the same um again these are the projects we're working on the Force main uh from um South 27 if you go down there you see us digging it up and relocating it Turnpike widening program same thing on the sewer side we think that's going to be about 1.5 Lift Station 72 is underway right now what do we a couple of month or so away from three months away from wrapping that up um this is the design for the corridor the bypass so Cliff is working with Jones Edmonds on that on a regular basis um another uh generator issue and then that you know obviously that's what we got left of the the $40 million project um and the Turnpike expansion the waste water treatment plant now should be wrapped up uh summer 25 and uh we're not using any sewer we're using are we using sewer Reserve money a little bit or we're net neutral on that so our Reserve should St stabilize All Things Considered we are doing the CIP increase on the rates that's waste water I'm going to skip solid ways since we got Tracy and let's go to airport airport um very financially solvent in fact they have a lot of money and when we close the deal on the uh property that'll go up with another two and A4 million bucks so they'll be sitting on 7 million so let me jump to the important slide here these are all the things Tracy's working on um so there is a ton of things going on she's been working extremely closely with the airport Advisory board about $9 million worth of projects um five you know over 7 million of are coming from the state and half a million from our pockets so we are working on phase one of the the the the taxi way of phase one that's the buildings that's the site right the site for the the hangers that's the site work for the hangers that's that bids just came in I don't even know what the numbers are I think they were good Bulldog got it they they're good they were low all right then once that site work's done we're looking to build the first hanger the fuel Farm is a is a you know put this and this together that's a significant project for the airport board we've got the money for it taxi way what's that what's that one Tracy taxi way construction is the texi way Delta and Alors that one um Veterans Road we're still working on as you guys know the thing the the agreement that we had blew up but it's still an important project because that's another area where you can get three or four commercial kind of hangers there four um so we still the the board still wants to move forward with that and then kind of the environmental assessment stuff so these are all the current projects we're going um it it doesn't hit or cash back to the cash graph who it doesn't hear cash graph too bad so we think we're probably going to be able to get all that stuff done and then start shifting over to building some more hangers so she had Tracy's got her plate full um everything else in the airport is pretty copesthetic all the know any questions in the airport that chart with the uses of money the the big chart uh right there what I thought the first one was the site the development over by Cracker Barrel am I wrong that's that's that's this that's Veterans Road okay this these two numbers the taxi way phase one I thought those were typically funded by FAA Grand so that's that's married down into married into it okay okay okay thank you so basically look we've got all these projects that got a lot of grant money I'm my way of this number we've only got one and a half million of it spent you're getting in 2.7 so you're up to I what's the net we up two down one so you're sitting at six all those projects are funded so you still sitting on 6 million doll to start building some other hangers and and the fuel farm that means a little more up so sitting pretty good and I think accomplishing the airport boards yeah I think it's great we're doing the airport uh yeah Allan got me involved in the airport when he was on The Advisory Board and I was on commission and that Tracy has been great I couldn't be more excited about what's going on at the airport all right so we have hit water gas airport and it's 717 you guys want to keep [Music] pushing what else you do storm water and solid waste are pretty easy Solid Waste this is be the first solid waste has kind of taken a little bit of a hit um just the slow drain of some of the cash that they have so they're actually a little bit below their reserve requirement so this is the first year I'll be recommending to you that we do the CPI adjustment to the rate CPI adjustment will be about 3% onto our rate of 17 is and change and so you're still going to have a competitive Solid Waste rate um so having said that everything in solid waste looks about the same um the Civic funding we need probably we need to visit this uh because this one you can probably scratch out so do you still want to so we're down to um and then with the partnership with the chamber you know they're now getting their money from bike fest so that one's out so really what you're down to with the Civic funding is really funding the Arts the Center for the Arts the CDC and the cemetery so this number is actually a little bit lower so we'll actually take these two numbers marry them together and throw that back back in so the solid waste funds a little bit more in black and two cemeteries cemeteries is Lone Oak and Ferguson the one right across from Lakeport okay yes they keep they're supposed to be keep them yes that yes that's part of if we get we do get complaints from that one from time to time we people we said go fix that stuff and and we remember when we had the one expense forve and then the the CDC Grant is basically the cost of the Gaya the the festival right yes oh okay yes I said Gayla but okay so that's that's Solid Waste stormr um storm water kind of trugging along no significant changes in the fees on the storm water fee they're sitting on 4 million bucks um and we've got you know a reasonable um Improvement projects like Robin is fixing the storm water Pond um Lake Robin is the kind of behind the the South Plaza Save A Lot in stock subdivision so we'll make some improvements to that like we've done other stuff the South Street improvements is another Ren no it's um there there's a lot of flooding area it's it's east of the Circle K South of Dixie South Street Stock subdivision can you communicate can you get with me about that project so you I can let residents know when we get to that point sir thanks Pro if be the next next fiscal year once you guys got to prove it and then we'll start moving in the design and that kind of stuff so um and that's pretty much it so that's the fountain program is that just the fountains in the water I I really like that that's aesthetically pleasing all around the city yeah it looks good it looks good looks good and and we hit airport um that that's probably a good stop to stop then we hit the pinch and stuff and some of those support that's good so we will so we we got a couple more budgets things to schedule we need the CRA the two cras will do one night we'll hit the rest of these funds one night and we'll also get in one of your empty agendas before the end of September uh discussion of the 44127 cr8 during your capacity as so are you shooting for Tes you shooting for next Tuesday night to finish this up we we'll get we'll get with you yeah I mean that would be good yeah cuz I actually I have I'm taking the week off the first week of August um and so we this is all fresh in it so it's kind of good to is it too much to do the two cras and wrap this up is that too much for one night yes to to wrap up budget here tonight no no no we do the oh no I think you need an hour look I think for the TCR for the Carver Heights in downtown I think you need an hour each that my question okay put that on thank you but uh if you can do it next Tuesday to just trying to finish this up you know that's Monday and Tuesday work for me yeah you know so that would be a good uh if you can swing [Music] that that was schedu Monday you Monday we had Mond finish the bud yeah because we had that blocked out canel it either way I mean Monday or Tuesday next week Workshop Monday 15 yeah perfect perfect that's great so next Monday we we'll be without what I know sorry that's all right Al let you go on vacation okay is that gonna okay I'm okay Brandy you know I'm joking you just educate him Brandy get him up to do Monday without Brandy before we go and you crack the gavel I have to thank Brandy and and her team all department heads and and Jim they do an amazing job make me look good basically I I get to yell at people and ship blocks around and then just have to remember all this stuff but Brandy is really the one who gets all this done and again the department had team and all that so she and I would like to add something to that I told Brandy the other night that I think it should be on public this year this first budget there were a lot of uh Little Star things like that detailed information on some of those big item changes that made it real easy for us where we didn't have to spend time here asking a bunch of questions and that was very beneficial to me that we shouldn't have had to ask questions but there were still some questions but but it I just want to thank you for that that did help me so I that last meeting too that was thank you so much Brandy do a great job yes on the 15th okay so that will be Monday night motion to adjourn got a second second done