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e e e e e we'll do the pledge and the invocation um one of the so Andy got it pray Heavenly Father help us be smart
this evening in Jesus name amen amen I pled ALG to the flag in the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all
all right there you go um so just we have two new members welcome three three three no I'm you're right you know I I looked at you and thought I'm sorry I looked at you and thought of um you seen
enough oh I was like there's Jesse and no you're not so three new members my apologies so I know you can you can ridicule me about that later on so well welcome to the electric Advisory Board um so I was at a little bit of a loss because I didn't anticipate we were
going to lose three members so quickly and then we did a whole bunch of background stuff on had FM PA come in and described all the little things that we do so for for Jack and Mark probably a little bit of a repeat but I didn't have that in mind for this evening so I'm just going to kind of jump into
stuff this evening but that your first first order of business is to select officers um because we we've lost OB three members we lost him to the County Commission we lost Dan to I think he
termed out and Dan termed out as well and Jesse and Dan were like can't make it so welcome to the new folks thank you thank you so is there any formal nomination on who would like to be the chairman of the electric Advisory
Board you're in the seat I N I don't mind doing it but I don't I have no idea how to do it we'll help you through it all right you're have yeah so there are no other nominations Jack you're the chairman do we do we have any other Vice
chair Vice chair any nominations for vice chair we'll nominate Mark for that any other seeing none mark congrat congratulations uh and I think that rounds out our officers Andy yes yes sir awesome so Jack this is where we turn
over the the meeting to you and you are now on item four looking for a motion to approve the minutes get a motion to approve the minutes home moved second yes all in fav all approved okay
discussion uh new member update you can throw both items back to me okay Al so we kind of started doing the new member update so depending on if you all Jack and Mark would like to go through kind of some of the the stuff again I think
we started with the electric Advisory board about this time last year or maybe a little before that and so it kind of gave us a good prep um cuz we run on a fiscal year um so a fiscal year for all
cities and the county in the state of Florida is October 1 to September 30 so that kind of gave us a couple of months to where we talked about not City stuff but just electrical stuff and how kind of the the main phases of generate of of
electricity so it starts in the you know the power plants and generation to transmission to distribution and all the stuff that the city manages so we're a member of the fmpa the Florida Municipal agency um and they the fmpa is a
conglomerate of several of the municipal Electric utilities in the state what do we have 43 43 Al together right or something like that and fmpa has we were arguing about how many electric communities there are in the state um
but fmpa is a conglomerate of most of the electric utilities in the State of Florida that are owned by a municipality or publicly owned like uh or an authority um OU Orlando Utility Commission uh Kua CMI Utility Authority
probably the biggest exam Gru although Gru special these days um uh they are now controlled by their own board that's appointed by the governor um but so so we talked about that so if you guys don't mind we can bring it back some folks maybe next
month and and kind of give you that update again uh this month when we're planning just kind of trying to coordinate everybody the change and then juggle it within the schedule and then kind of hit up against the wall as far as some timing um but specifically um
last year that gave us some time to talk about all sorts of different stuff and then we kind of got into budget operations so being March you guys are going to the new guys on board Mike you Mike knows most of this stuff too from when he was working
with the city um so we'll thr thow some stuff at you next month and then we'll jump into budget in May and then so we'll bring the budget numbers so that was kind of the the update and the new the the new member
information update um so I kind of wanted to jump into where we're at with the power cost adjustment for this month so let me talk to I'm going to talk to everybody like they new Mark Jack Mike you know some of this stuff as well um
the power cost is up when you get your city electric bill you have a a bundled bill um you know and it breaks down a couple of things for you it gives you a customer charge it gives you kilowatt usage and your kilowatt so
your customer charge is a flat rate every month Mark you got a bill right there what's the customer charge is like 12297 something like eight what's the customer charge that was 12 1250 I thought for presidential are we w so I
can look mine up on my phone um it'd be the be the first one on there Electric customer um I got 09 092 what the charge right I just paid my today CU I got an emailed today
50 customer charge yeah 15 oh so we're up to 15 um so customer charge actually we us your bill so I I won't Mark um and I and and frankly I that's been
that's been 15 for a really long time yeah so we've been 15 bucks for a really long time yeah I thought we were 12 something I thought we went up at maybe we we put it in May when we adjusted rates we went into the customer charge instead of the the kilowatt charge we talked about that we did last year
didn't we y um so you got your customer Char then you got your sales charge and the sales are split so your first th000 kilowatt is is a specific rate right now we're charging about 9.2 cents a kilowatt for anything from 0 to th000 and then we're charge an 11 and a half
cents um anything over that the industry likes to measure each other you know kind of where everybody's at and the typical comparison is a residential rate and the residential rate at first th000 that because the the the first thousand
kilowatts of consumption is typically seen as the the typical consumption our average consumption in leeburg by the way is about 14,40 1342 kilowatts and I would say I think that the last time we
looked this up about 43% of our electric customers in the on the residential side 43% of our uh residential customers use a th000 or less um and
about 85 to 80% of our customers are all residential and most of our industrial customers are within corporate limits so we'll get back to that another time um so when you hear we'll we'll talk a lot
about what is our our rate per thousand and our rate per thousand right now is like 12792 um which is a regionally competitive rate um Duke hangs out right now in the 160s uh um SEO our next uh Regional
competitor it's pretty similar to us they're typically a dollar or two cheaper less expensive um Mount Dora's been pretty lucky um there there's some different Dynamics on why they're a little bit lower but there I'm doing this by memory by the way too so I could
be wrong I want to say Mount Dora right now is hanging out around above 10 so they're they're pretty they're pretty competitive Statewide um but you have most of the investor own utilities is already petitioning the Public Service Commission to increase their rates so a
note on that I I know I'm all over the place here um but the the Public Service Commission is a body that uh reviews all utility issues along amongst the state there's five members on the Public Service Commission they are appointed by
the governor the main purpose of the Public Service Commission monitors the investor own utilities and regulates electric usage and electric issues when it comes to Municipal Electric utilities and Cooperative Electric utilities we
govern ourselves we have rules that we follow that the state put puts out but but but for territorial issues where you know in the State of Florida every square inch of Florida is fought over and done and it's carved out over who
serves that area so it's it's not like McDonald's or Burger King where you can pick what you want where you live is in in somebody's territory and that's your electric provider so that's called that's a regulated system um so long
story short uh Public Service Commission manages all that for the investor own utilities so when the investor own utilities need to increase their rates they have to go to the Public Service Commission and they do rate studies and then the Public Service Commission approves or doesn't approve their rate
increase but typically they're approved with some modifications typically they might not get everything they want but typically when they go before the Public Service Commission they typically get an increase they have been turned down on occasion um so for municipals us and
co-ops we have a body that does that so for the city it's the city commission and you all have been appointed to be their advisors in their role the big reason for the electric Advisory Board is that we recognize as a city is that
we have different customer bases some of those customer bases don't aren't in the city they're unincorporated um I think Mike you represent the unincorporated customers think small business you're small business Jack we switched you over to
big business Mark is represents city of Fruitland Park um and Amanda I'm bigs no you're big business you're residential you're big you're small you're residential lebur residential fruitman Park residential unincorporated and the
purpose for the dichotomy there is to make sure that all of our uh branches or all of our customer classes have some sort of input on great making and what's going on in the electric Department um which serves the city the creation
y uh so I'm going to skip ahead now back to the two parts of your electric bill um so that you we've got the customer base now so I lied there are three CS the customer charge the use charges and then the power cost adjustment
charge the Electric customer charge and the base charges are fixed by the city Commission on an annual basis by resolution so we typically don't change those until it comes to the fiscal year when we change those those cost those
are um those are all our requirements are wrapped up into that bill so our requirements are generation transmission distribution and then our customer service component which is metering and
then billing so all those things are all lump all those costs that we pay to do all those things are lumped into your customer charge and your use charge the third animal that you see on there is do we call it bulk power cost on on the
bill is the bulk power cost and for every kilowatt we assign a a a rate per kilowatt what the bulk power cost represents or what it pays for is
the p is the cost to buy Power so that's specific so we have a cost to pay linemen we have a cost for debt which is typically when we went out and built lines or Transformers we have a cost to pay uh the folks who collect build so
all those are weaved in there the one of the most elastic costs that we have is when we buy Power and so that's a portion of your fixed cost but because it's elastic meaning it can go up or can go down and
it goes up and down every month um we have a a a make good if you will a true up and so every month we adjust the power cost adjustment on your power bill to ensure that we don't charge you too much which we call an over an an over
recovery we charge you too much or if we didn't charge you enough it's an under recovery and so we keep track we have a separate account for our bulk power cost which is that flexible Port you that
back up um so I I'll get to that in a second before it goes out so we so we true those costs up on a regular basis and we want to keep your power your bulk power cost as flat as possible meaning keep it the
same so you don't see big increases or big decreases in your power bill unfortunately this month we have to increase your power cost um this shouldn't be a surprise to you two because back when we did it in in
October we thought come the middle of the fiscal year April we were going to have to increase our cost I think I reported back in January yay it looks really good then February got bad then January got bad then February got good again and we don't know where we're at with March so I wanted to talk to you
about that today so with that um jump over to this [Music] this is our Vol cost of power chart and and it tracks our cost of energy
um [Music] I I have my clicker if you got I'm just going to stand over here um so what this chart does is this chart tracks how much we're paying for power over the course of a fiscal year so if you see these
tabs down here you kind of see our fiscal years um 25 and then older ones so we're working obviously on on um fiscal year 25 and this column here um October so the fiscal year starts in 21 so these first few
lines are are and I'm going to kind of be more simplistic than what the numbers are showing but lines basically three through 14 show how much the entire city is
buying [Music] lines 16 through 19 is how much we pay so for example in October uh we paid capacity of
$16 a kilowatt hour we paid a transmission charge of $585 a kilowatt hour and our energy charge was $32.48 a megawatt hour so those are all the charges that go in um and then lines
22 through 30 are taking those components of your your use times your your use times the unit charges to real dollars you add it up and then these last few lines where
we talk about power cost recovery those are our formula Matrix to figure out how we over or under recover monies and then the important lines to to monitor is this line 43 down here in the
bottom so in these cases what we have is we we monitor what goes over what goes under if we charge it too much or we charge it too little what we the rule of thumb that we try to do is we want to keep $3 million of cash on hand to
absorb the yings and the yangs so that was kind of the number that we've come up with that keep shifting your cost of power on a monthly basis to a minimum so that the customers have a standard bill and it's not too high in the summertime
when you use a lot of electricity we like to keep the rate low as possible in the summer and then in the winter it's kind of the same so we we peak in the winter and we peak in the summer because when it's really cold everybody turns on the power and when it's really hot and consistently hot everybody turns on the
power so the cheaper times are kind of in the spring but long story short what we want to do is we want to kind of keep three million bucks here and if it gets too much then we're over recovering and then we try to slide money back to the customer by lowering the power cost
adjustment and if it gets in the negative numbers which you don't see here which is good then then we're right on spot but this is kind of the net position and this is the this is a monthly position so like for example in
October we over collected 362,000 bucks so so that banked on last year where we finished at 3.2 million and now we're at 3.6 so so this chart is actual through February and and this chart's about a
month in a re so we're in the middle of March right now and we just got February's numbers so we had a pretty good month in February of of we over recovered $45,000 and and we're sitting on about 3.4 million bucks so those are really
good numbers um but what happens is as we get these red numbers that's when we under recover and we typically see these as we start to get into the the spring months and kind of some of the the winter months when we when we kind of
peek out um so we we see losses of 550,000 we see losses of 717 we see losses of 610 so by the middle of May or the end of May May 31st we're only going
to have 1.5 million in the power cost adjustment so that that starts to get by the way I'm I'm I'll I'll show you what it looks like in a minute without the adjustment so these numbers start when these numbers start leaking down that low that
starts to show we're not recovering enough um so this was our projection we started out the year this call this next line is important because this is the actual number per kilowatt so two cents per kilowatt or or and you'll hear me
shift that around too I'll say two cents if I say cents I'm talking kilowatt hours each kilowatt hour if I if I if I go to Dollars on you then I'm talking in thousands so I'll do that on you from occasion so I'll say two bucks but two
bucks means two cents and we're we're talking the same thing so so and you say that because if it's 2 cents a kilowatt you use 1,000 kilowatt you're going to have a $2 additional charge for your power cost adjustment so when we ma this
out in the beginning of the year in April which is halfway through the fiscal year we thought we would need to go to 250 so see how these not see how these numbers are all nice and kind of smooth you know we dip down and then and then
we rebound like nicely by the end of the year at 250 let me show you what it would look like if we don't adjust the power cost adjustment so those shifted a little over a million bucks I think we ended
the fiscal year at 39 is that where we ended so here we lost a million and a half bucks so at 2.5 so this 2.5 number doesn't really wig us out too much because it's manageable and then if you wrap it back into October November where
we typically have strong months if we end the year at 2 and a half million that's like okay cool everybody's getting the low rate um but the the the but the months that are worrisome are as we get here in the Summer where we start seeing higher declines and then with the
with the market not being as steady as we'd like like this this this one is really kind of an iffy increase it it this one's more precautionary than it has been in the past only because you about when was it
when did we do the big increase what year was that that was three or four years ago now when we had to go up to the seven cents and we and we recovered all that back so kind of we don't we don't know exactly where our power costs are going
which is the next chart let me show you we have an idea and we get these numbers from fmpa so I'm g b bounce back and forth between this so what fmpa does for us is is on a six Monon quarterly interval
they update what the all requirements project cost are going to be so let me go back to fmpa a little bit so fmpa is floor mov power agency as we said um they have different what call different Power project Florida Municipal Power agency
thank you um and they have several different Pro projects for municipalities where you get electric um their Flagship project is the all requirements project which is 13 members it's 13 um made up of different
cities KU lebur Okala I could probably Key West home no 13 cities trust me um and we and we and we buy all our requirements from
this project so it's not just a generation because remember we got generation we got transmission so this project buys generation and transmission Wheeling all those things that are associated with getting the power to the
city of leesburg's five substations right to our front door then the city of leberg takes it from the substations and gets it to your house or your business so every quarterly fmpa updates
where we're at as far as what we can anticipate our wholesale cost to be our wholesale cost over a fiscal year runs if it's not crazy around $50 million a year and I'll show you that that number so of the city's budget $200
million 50 million is this one number so this is 25% of the budget right here so this is like the Lion Share of everything that we do so we get a big giant budget book that this that's this big and there's one number on one page
that's 25% of that whole book okay so what fmpa is saying for the time frame that we're talking March April May June the remainder of this fiscal year this window we're looking at cost of 86 84 86 76 77 $78 a
megawatt so that's Mega those are megawatt prices for the group now because there's 13 of us everybody's a little bit different everybody pays a little bit different into the group based on whether you have generation so
some cities like Kua are in the group and they're providing transmission to the group and so when Kua is running their generation facilities they're getting a credit on their power bill because they're running engines they're they have generation we're a non-
generating City so our price isn't credited our prices actually runs 5 to 10% is higher than those numbers so if the group in April is projected to pay
86 bucks a megawatt we're going to pay 86 bucks plus or minus 5 to 10% so how do we put that into the Matrix to figure this out to the other chart this isn't part of the chart but I
stuck it in here just to show you these numbers here is our breakdown of of comparing megawatt hour because you can say yo men why do you need the 250 because you're
you know you're fudging it somewhere else you know you're overestimating your megawatt cost so you can increase the power cost adjustment no that's not the case so what we see here is we see in April so I'm in this column well in
March so yeah our city cost is a little high there 98 and 88 but look we're already under recovering in this column when we get into April we're saying 94 bucks fmpa saying 90 but you see these
so we we start seeing some inverses going on as we get through the year so all things being equal we kind of balance out so long story short I really think you need that extra half a cent starting
here ask you a question actually two questions I don't want to throw off your your momentum here my presentation is now complete we need the extra half a c so any questions so two things first of all while you're on that slide for
entertainment value if you were to split the difference and do 0. 225 instead of 0.25 what what would that end of the year number look like it pretty look let's yeah hey let's do I'll do both for so instead of so to go to two to so you
need point 225 you're kind of hanging right out you're still a 3 million I'm still 31 and I'm saving you 250 is that an option is there anything magical about them being round numbers no and the reason we went to 250
is that's what we projected and that's what I stuck with so we probably could go to two and A4 but the negatives to two and A4 is when we get into May we're we're sitting down
there now at 1 point I can't tell if that's three or 1.36 we we start getting low in those months and so it I'd rather go in with the extra two and a half cents because then I then I think we can
roll something off so if we if we open over collect more now when it's cheaper then we have more flexibility to peel it off in the summertime so so what does that mean in English if I get a little bit more if the city if the
utility gets a little bit more from the customer now and over recovers in Spring your customer is going to feel it less because you're not using as many kilowatts that allows the utility to over recover so then in the summertime if the utility is in a good position
we can peel the power cost off adjustment off and save you more in the summer when you're using more so it's a little bit 61 half a dozen the other but I'm being super I'm being
super conservative by going the two and a half so along the same lines then um and this is where it's tricky because obviously everybody's usage varries the difference between the 025 and the.
225 what what's your best guess as to what that amounts to in dollars on on a monthly bill on a residential home we talking 20 bucks if it's 02 on 1,000 kilow you're getting a $20
charge on your dpca M if it's .25 you'd get a $25 charge on your first, kilowatt hours as Al said our standard residential customers are right around a, so if you have it 25 in the shoulder
months when energy consumption is lower you're not burning as many kwhs so you're lower cost in the summer you're going to have a lot more kwh uses so a small increase is going to impact you a little bit more so again right now it's
$20 on a residential bill for the first, we're submitting what your change it' be $25 on your normal bill for a residential customer I thinkg your question was that was individual I thought you
asked the whole the whole customer base no really what I'm trying to get to is what is the impact I mean are we splitting hairs over a quarter of a penny and and what is that is that a dozen eggs for for a household I mean it's 250 okay it's 250 based on a
thousand and you said what's 13 what's 1364 times what 1364 which is the average totally average what did you say the percentage was that that that used about a thousand 43% says that 80% of
our our average so let me make sure average is more than about 50% right so our average says uses 1340 a month um we see a lot of the on Villages because there's a lot of gas in there they're losing using
less with 400 500 Kow an IAT a month so it all depends on your gas mix $33.36 for the average user which is 1345 kilow okay so going your method of
Two and a qu versus two and a half is on the average user $336 okay so I mean it's understand it's not a lot but now times 25,000 for the utility so that's and you see the number
difference there when we Flo it in there two and a quarter might have been a good one Mark I what worries me are the are the future numbers and look I don't think I've ever been one to shy away from before you click out of this can I ask you followup yeah because I think is going to lead into where you're going
yeah can you explain so the the the the two yellow lines the city and the fmpa yeah why isn't there a more consistent difference like why isn't there like a 5% swing month to month to month like there's some months where there's no swing at all and other months where it's a five six 7% swing why isn't there a
more consistent deviation I'm gonna give you two answers answer number one is because answer number one is just the gas market itself is going to fluctuate and you're going to see in the peak time summer and winter gas going more expensive you know
in the day we tried to keep gas you know gas typically was seen as good around $2 a decm so that a measurement a unit for gas right so now what are we paying three the average cost now is probably three and some change and we're hedging around well I think the hedging I think
we're hedging right now anywhere between 50 and 25% back no what dollar a dollar I don't have that number I I look at the percentage of our gas that we're hedging versus tax different things but you were
saying the fmpa number is what's projected right for the group yeah but because we don't generate our own we've got to add on I think you said somewhere between 5 and 10% which is what gives us the city number on that spreadsheet y
why isn't there a more consistent percentage from month to month right like wouldn't you use 8% as sort of a consistent difference between those two between the fmpa and the and the city number so there's your group number so that's what we're getting from that's
what we're getting from fmpa so fmpa has got a Delta of the low up there is 70 bucks the high up there is 95 bucks okay and and and you see where where the the Peaks are in the win so that's just all
totally based on the market so whatever gas they're buying is affecting that rate but the util then tries to do is we try to smooth it out for you okay you with me what we're seeing this year too which is different
than past Year's is because of our hedging program and because gas has been up and down all over the place a little bit fmpa has been kicking stuff back to us unexpectedly so that's good right we
don't because want our money right and we want to and we want our money and we and I'm going to undo this so you can see these numbers a little bit better but this is our energy chart right now from fmba it's up yeah and look at look at what it's done this year
um I'll come over there so you can see a little bit better so this this number this number is the unit number they charge us so this is what we're doing on this chart so we're we're trying to keep it flat here so this is
where we're manipulating it so that you don't have those ups and downs um but when fmpa can get us a discount we're seeing that so look at this number so we started out the year with thinking we're going to pay
$32.48 for our energy charge from FPA look at November 1781 woohoo that's because there was surplus of gas and gas got super cheap and fmpa passed that back to us look what happened the next next month we went up to 36 like what so
this is when I came into you guys singing you know whistl and Dixie saying oh it's going to be really great we had a great November well I spoke too soon and then December was bad look at January jumped up to 39 and now a lot of that's going to be how cold was the
winter and a lot and it's how cold was the winter up north it almost has more of an impact on how cold the winner it is for us down here so what that and that's another reason why the extra the extra quarter of a cent is because this
is the first time I've kind of seen these numbers I mean one month we're paying 39 bucks the next month and then and then in look at February we came back to 26 so these numbers we went back just to kind of a flatline 32 bucks on the energy charge
so if gas gets super cheap again we'll see this energy charge drop and then we'll we'll give it back to the customer in in the power cost adjustment over the summer I was just gonna ask so if the price for like a barrel of oil goes down
then that would impact that cost then so you kind of just answered that yes but don't mix oil and gas no I I get that no I get that but it it does go hand in hand it does so how often do you make the
adjustments we we look at it every month okay and we try to we try to keep the adjustments to a minimum so we so so all these all these inputs are going in here and then we're trying to come up with one
cost to be less evasive so you have a consistent bill so and that was and that was the other thing too Mark which we fell back to the 250 for the two for the quarter Cent change frankly I just felt like
let's go with that because if we stay higher now hopefully then come June to July if stuff gets cheaper um then we can peel some off in the summertime
okay and it's what we said from the GetGo so we were kind of any questions on all that no for me don't forget to refresh your numbers [Music] again I just I'll just throw it away without saying uh and you know and I'll be
honest too and I'm not I didn't have Paul Austin come in um the team changed a little bit this month uh and that was another reason for my conservative approach uh Jim Williams our long-term Finance director who was Prett divers in
the electric stuff uh he was managing the the chart for us along with me retired so this was false Paul Austin you guys might know Paul Paul was our customer service manager downstairs he's our new Finance director so um this was
Paul's first Power cost adjustment month and so it happened to come at the middle of the fiscal year when so so I was ultimately a little more conservative than I probably needed to be known we're only talking about two bucks um but I I
think it's where it needs to be and hopefully we can up moving into the [Music] [Music] summer that's all I have for you this evening and for for the for the new folks there's a there's a million things
hopefully we didn't um hopefully you caught most of the discussion um but it probably be good to get everybody back into uh we'll bring back in the charts next month and we'll introductions uh you guys probably Andy pvis is our is
our city clerk Maria is our budget I don't know your title administrat services coordinator she does all the budgeting and stuff out the electric Department um then you got Brad Chase as our electric director and Chris Atkins is one of the deputies so Brad and we
got into this a lot too so Brad house has has this house divided in in the services so electric Director repforce City manager and then the commission but Brad divides his house kind of on the on the it and and and design side of the
house which is Chris and it being scada so when your power goes out uh there's the I call it the Star Wars room at the electric Department probably should give you guys a tour of that and so when your power goes out we know before you do
99.99% of the time uh because our system talks and so when a meter goes out it tells us and then Chris's board lights up with an address or a pole or whatever and then the guys go out and fix it which is the other side of the house so design of system and kind of
surveillance of the system is is Chris's side of the house and then keeping the electric flowing and the poles up and the wires up is kind of the lineman construction side of the house which is under Greg David So Brad's got the two director Greg's not here so that's most of the
team you you have the see so going on topics you talked about budget you talked about maybe govern or legislation a little bit and then some gas price there's some pretty good deck slides that that uh they put together at fmpa
that ESS that is mine but um we can bring if you interested in that we'll go back if if unless you guys want to skip the tutorial and we'll go right into the budget it's up to you all Tor I don't
know you guys have a I have a good grasp on it I mean yeah I think it was valuable but I'm not going well I mean it I wouldn't I wouldn't have a grasp on it if we didn't go through everything we did last headed again next month well I will not be here next month I'm sorry I already told Miss Andy I would not so
I'm going to be out of the state I'm sorry we'll figure then we'll push it off to May special tutor session I'm very I can do a special tutor session but if you have time come see me yeah I'll make a time we can talk okay so we we we'll figure it out I don't want to hold up the group just because I have a
trip planed we'll figure it out so that's all I had for you this evening okay unrelated question there's a social media post last week about somebody asking about a pollution abatement charge on their on their Bill yes can
you explain what that is and why some got it and some didn't pollution abatement is our water or is our sewer charge we call it pollution abatement so on some people's bills it says sewer on some people's bills it
says what youu pollution abatement that might be and I don't know why I'm totally guessing maybe that's because we still are in the world of where we have some meters that are cubic feet and some meters that are gallon and so that could be an indication on why we call it
something different but we've done that forever so septic versus sewer uh septic versus sewers is a totally different issue I mean so they wouldn't have that charge if they have a SE tank you wouldn't have that charge but I'm going to say probably
95% of the stuff in the city is on public sewer which is your sewer or your pollution ofab so in Fruitland Park where we get our water from Fruitland Park we would not have seen that charge on our electric bill you would not you and I don't know what Fruitland Park calls it you probably get a water and a
sewer bill from FR Park yeah probably but I got that question today I was on my desk too sewer of batement or pollution of batement sewer and does that fluctuate no there the there's a one fixed charge it's similar to Electric we
have two charges whether you have a meter that measures in gallons or cubic feet and I think it's seven I think it's 7.1 gallons to a cubic foot is the conversion something like that um so we
have two price ranges same we have the classes residential and then then I think we have three or four different commercial classes but typically everybody's a residential rate and then the residential rate has one fixed charge or it it has a customer charge and then
your used charges but those use charges will vary based on whether your cubic feet or whether your gallons okay so to be clear it's a monthly charge and it varies depending on your on your individual water usage yes and the and the sewer charge is
based on water so if 10,000 gallons flows through your house we don't measure what comes out but the industry standard is what goes in comes out so every utility is pretty much the same they don't they don't measure waste
water out they measure water in and that's equivalent to the Sewer out okay thank you roll call I have nothing no nothing motion to
adjourn second right