##VIDEO ID:9wIMFD0dXqo## e e e e e e I miss the the world e e e yes sir i' like to call the planning zoning commission for the city of lesburg to order it's uh January 23rd 2025 4:30 please stand for the invocation and the flag let us pray dear Lord as we undertake the business of the city of lebur we pray that the decision we make will be pleasing in your sight we pray this in our most holy name amen amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you very much yes sir thank you [Music] oh okay everybody had an opportunity to look at the minutes uh are there any additions Corrections or deletions if not I'll accept a motion I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes from the December 19 24 2024 meeting I'll second that motion okay there's a first and second uh any discussion all in favor say I I I okay if you had time to review them then you can then you can vote nay thank you nay okay we got that figured out um let's go ahead and swear everybody in I like to get that right right away if you're going to speak tonight at all uh whether you're it's your case or if you're a neighbor or whatever please stand to be sworn in you cannot you cannot talk or speak if you're not sworn in thank you do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you thank you very much Dano you have the floor thank you Mr chairman I'd like to welcome everyone to the January 23 2025 city of leberg Planning Commission meeting my name is Dan Miller Planning and Zoning director for the city of leeburg uh staff present today from the planning and zoning department includes executive assistant Sabrina Mitchell to my left deputy director candy Harper and planner Melissa Mets on the first and second row and over here on the computer dying Melissa Mets de los Santos I'm sorry and over here on the computer Diane yekel we also have City Attorney Jennifer cotch to seated to my right today's agenda and the speaker's registry is available on the table by the door by the exit door if you'd like to speak on a Case we'd ask that you would please sign the speaker's registry and turn it into Sabrina here on my left under the rules of participation the meeting will be conducted under the following process the chairman will announce the case staff will then present exhibits for the record this will include Maps photos and text as shown on the screens the staff will then give the background and descriptive information and then provide a recommendation on the case the applicant will have the opportunity to speak on the case and the public will have time for public comments the applicant will have an opportunity for rebuttal and the chairman will then close the case to the public and the commission will discuss the case and take a vote at that point they'll then move on to the next case the Planning Commission consists of citizens volunteer citizens who are appointed by the city commission and they're charged with two major responsibilities the first is to make final decisions on cases such as variances and conditional uses and the second is to make recommendations for issues which are to be heard by the city commission we have two cases on today's agenda the first case Lee school is a recommendation that will be forwarded to the city Commission for a final decision to approve or deny so that one goes to City commission the next case the second case is the mon Montclair Road Triplex case that will be a final decision because it is a conditional use permit um for any City commission meetings you'll find the proposed dates on the agenda in listed in bold under the case title please be advised that those case times are dates are subject to be changed as needed by the commission so you can always check with our office which is right across the street or you I can get one of our business cards and you can call us to check on that finally on behalf of the City Planning Commission and the City Planning it's owning staff i' like to thank you for your participation in today's public hearing process Mr chairman we're ready for the announcement of the first case Okie doie public caring case Spud 24212 lease School small plan unit development thank you Mr chairman this is a request for a resoning on the old Le school property from Spud to Spud which is small plan unit development with revised condition property consists of five plus or minus acres is generally located north of hearnen Street South of West lion Street East of Perkins Street and West of Lee Street the request is for future development of a 102 unit multifam apartment complex like to spend a minute or two on the background of this case to get everyone up to speed I know you've seen it several times over the years the Le school was built in the 19 I want to say 1910s and 1920s there are two different dates on there I forgot to get the exact dates but it's it was over 100 years old it was abandoned as a school sometime around the early 2000s there were no developers interested in the property we had as a staff we had some Tire kickers but nothing serious so the property sat vacant in 2015 the property was sold by the school board to an investor and in 2016 that investor under ordinance 16-1 um had the property rezoned that zoning allowed Assisted Living Independent Living Memory Care Medical Offices Etc unfortunately no developers were found to be interested in the property so in 2018 property was sold to another investor and in 2021 that investor reson the property under ordinance 21-19 which allowed 49 town homes and 14 apartment units again there were no investors that were found to be interested in the property uh so in 2024 uh the lesburg historic board did vote to allow the properties to be demolished now since being abandoned as a school use in the early 2000s the buildings were empty unfortunately for all that time until 2024 when they were actually demolished during the previous zonings and discussions with staff over these buildings and working with the city commission Planning Commission and historic preservation board um I know that everyone made every oper made every effort to preserve the buildings on the site for an Adaptive reuse but again the problem was there were just no developers that were interested so today in 2025 the request before you is for an apartment complex to be considered for the site now you may recall at our October 24th meeting that staff did present a proposal for an expansion of the downtown mixed use land future land use District what we're trying to achieve on that is expanding the downtown mixed use district from the core downtown right as it sits now basically Canal to Meadow and Ninth to um ninth to Canal and excuse me Magnolia to Meadow trying to expand it from the immediate current downtown area to cover northward toward the old railroad RightWay which is the lesburg Wildwood Trail Eastward past Pine Street and portions of Rambo street toward the hospital and then South toward Dixie and then back West and that would that Western movement would actually include this Le School site the purpose of that change is to expand investment opportunities for the areas in and adjacent to downtown so that future land use change is key with this project deputy director excuse me so the city commission you you've already seen that request for the future land use and did approve it unanimously after we expanded it we to a larger area than what we had originally planned um if that land use is approved on at the city commission level and this project moves forward then this would be the first of what we're hoping over time will be several more projects which will be supportive of downtown with different uses and that would increase the investment levels into the core of downtown leeburg so at this point in I'd like to ask deputy director candy Harper to present the maps and photo exhibits to include the aerial zoning future and surrounding land use Wetlands flood zone maps CRA Maps thank you Mr Miller Commissioners as you can see this is the uh lee School site several several of you are uh very familiar with that site um then the next map uh is a little bit closer aerial um of the area gives you a little bit better feeling for hearnden and the roads around it proximity to 441 and also the uh leeburg Wildwood Trail which is here and the zoning currently is Spud and the Spud you're looking at tonight uh we'll make changes to the uh current uh small planned unit development for the property and the prose zoning as you can see is small PL um planned unit development uh the future land use currently is um low density residential and as Mr Miller stated that um if the downtown mixed juice is approved on Monday and it goes to the state and comes back without comment um that will have a different future land use on it by the time anything happens here uh the land is high and dry the surrounding land uses are residential to the north including multifam um to the West is residential both um occupied and vacant to the South is residential including multif family and to the east is residential including multif family A place of worship and residential it says just outside of two community redevelopment areas that is the um us 27441 uh Corridor CRA in greater leeburg it does sit within the um commission District number four but it AB buts number one and it is within the historic district again it's right there kind of hard to see in that color and this map I believe is actually from the downtown mixed use um that that's coming up on Monday and that just shows you the proximity it of the site to other areas in the city and it you'll notice it comes over and it picks up um the school Beacon College in this area and if you go by the trail it's it's a short pleasant walk to that campus just about anywhere in town that's a short Pleasant W but if it were me I'd be going downtown and stopping by the you you know have some lunch or something before I actually went to school um so that will show you where someone can get from that site to the outskirts it's it's covers quite a distance and the site was posted uh the picture on the top is looking North along Perkins Street from the subject property and the picture on the bottom is looking North along Lee Street from the sub property the picture on the top is looking east across Lee Street Lee Street from the uh P subject property and that is the church picture on the bottom is looking South along Lee Street from the subject property uh picture on the top is looking West along Lee Street onto the subject property picture on the bottom is looking North onto the subject property from hearnden picture on the top is looking East along hearnden from the subject property picture on the bottom is looking South across hearnen street from the subject property picture on the top is looking West along hearnen street from the subject property and the picture on the bottom is looking North across West line street from the subject property uh picture on the top is looking East along West line street from the subject property and the picture on the bottom is looking South across West Line Street onto the subject property picture on the top is looking West along West line street from the subject property and the picture on the bottom is looking North along per Perkins Street from the subject property and the picture on the top is looking East along Perkin Perkins Street onto the subject property and the picture on the bottom is looking South along Perkins Street from the subject property and finally the picture this picture is looking west across Perkins Street from the subject property and that's all I have Mr Miller thank you Miss Harper um with that we'd like to move on to the departmental review summary project was sent out to All City departments Plus Lake County government and the school board uh City had no substantiative comments um nothing came back from the city departments School Board project their comments came back that the project would be subject to school concurrency review and may be subject to a mitigation agreement to provide adequate stations within the school system so there is however I want to bring up at this point there is a possibility of some work with Beacon College on this project we I think we have someone here um from Beacon who may wish to address that but in any case the applicant still has to provide the adequate student stations whether that's through the impact fees or a mitigation agreement and they have I believe they have talked to the school board at this time Lake County Public Works had no comments and per the Florida statute and city of leeburg code of ordinances the public was notified via newspaper advertisement uh the sign posting and letters sent out to the surrounding Property Owners we have received no responses as of yesterday I am I am aware that the applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting on the site moving on to the Pud require re Ms The Proposal consists of 102 multif family units with a maximum height of four floors which is seen in the attachments in your in on your computer no other uses are permitted there's 102 units 102 is the request I thought you said 212 earlier uh no I'm glad I didn't say 212 I've been sitting here thinking about that the whole time um no it's it's one one 02 yes sir um there's 50ft setback from the roadways um parking will be per city of leeburg code requirements there are design and Architectural standards required those are shown in the exhibits there is a dark sky lighting component required 35% of the property must be in open space 25ft buffer required along the entirety of the property boundaries there is a requirement for a rot iron or brick with stone column type fence again I believe there a photo or a design example of that in the exhibits there's a requirement for Bea or Bermuda grass in place of St Augustine two main access points one on Lee Street and then one on hearnden which would be on the East and the South and then there's a signage requirement for decorative entry features of concrete brick or stuck o with a maximum height of 5T there's a requirement for recreational considerations of 10,000 square ft that would be devoted to a separate recreational areas area or areas set aside for swimming pool playgrounds dog park gazebo those types of uses there's also a requirement for a monument memorializing the leas school which we had talked about previously I know we talked about it with the historic preservation board and I think this commission may have seen that in a previous C PUD we did keep that in the in there and then finally there is the standard phasing Clause U which requires that development either move forward with substantial commencement within four years or it will be treated as an re1 zoning which is one acre per unit which in this case would get you about five units so there is a timeline on it um it does have have to be on City water and waste water and utilities and those are all in the area so with that Mr chairman unless there are any questions Mr Michael ranking of land Planning Group of Mount Dora is here to represent the case and answer any additional questions you may have sir any questions the staff um I got a question you was saying that um if development does not show up in four years it be it would be treated under the terms of this PUD and we started doing this in 2024 if you may recall uh commissioner it would the if a property has a PUD zoning on it and it does not move forward within four years with what we consider substantial commencement getting a site plan or building permit approved then the property is automatically treated under the terms of the re1 which is a state density residential zoning District what re E1 that estate density residential zoning District says is you can have one acre per unit not one unit per acre you have to switch the words around which is kind of tricky but you have to have one acre before you can put one unit on it and then you have to get another acre to put another unit on um so what that does at the request of the city commission is where that came about and what that does it says you will either build it or it will be restricted and so that puts in some cases quite a bit of pressure to either do it or it's going to have to come back for a zoning or you can just build one house per acre it really sets up a scenario and and staff really appreciates that this requirement because what it does is sets up a scenario of don't waste our time yeah and clean it up yeah either do it or go away in the caveat there they got to come back if that four years goes by and they don't want to do the one acre then they have to come back and do this whole thing again yes sir and the the commission Planning Commission City commission would then have the right to say no we like the re1 or we want to give you a new PUD okay probably be tougher if I'm still on here yeah me too because that's I and I I think that is partly a reaction to the number of units and things that have gone through the process here in lesburg that the city commission has said okay either do it or don't bother us and and I don't mean to speak for them or for this commission but that's the idea that I feel it's coming back to anything else in staff you [Music] said many four four please state your name and your address please good even even Commissioners chairman for the record Michael ranking with land Planning Group 1162 Camp Avenue Mount Dora also a proud business owner in the city of leeburg on Main Street with my wife I'm here representing the applicant Barry Mansfield regarding Lee school with me tonight is Tim Cantrell in the back and Rick Killian Rick if you just wave real quick Ricks with Beacon college and if I need to step away because of my throw it I'm I'm overcoming this RSV I'm get I'm not contagious I'm fine but the bonus to my family was I lost my voice for a week so that was that they were very happy over the holidays for that uh this site for me goes back 11 years Dan and I spent a lot of time when I first came on board and had the honor to work for the city of uh redeveloping this site we've seen it metamorphis from one thing to another over the years and the city has patiently awaited for something to finally happen to Lee school you know there was a time we thought preserving the buildings uh a lot of time and effort went into uh that by several different folks that walked away saying we just can't overcome the current uh code requirements upgrading the buildings with the something as simple as the Treads and risers and the stairwells that would have to be rebuilt it just it just went on and on and unfortunately when the buildings were acquired they died a slow death before that by having the utilities cut and I think we all know once you cut utilities to a building it it just slowly dies to a point to where it just can't come out of the ground back out of the ground so it is what it is we have uh uh pad ready site there uh I'm the guy that stood in front of the historic board asking for them to support demoing the building I'm the guy that filled out the permit asking for the buildings to come down and they did come down uh very tough for a lot of us in this city I've only been here 11 years very tough for a lot of people though to see these two buildings come down I get that I you know last thing I want to do is see a building of uh significant age uh be tore down uh I live in a 100y old house that I've painfully beat on for the last seven years uh to to bring it back back to life so I get all that um and the city has in my opinion with the city manager and the planning department have done a great job in extending uh flexibility of how do we together solve this problem and and develop something this city can be proud of I mentioned uh Rick being in the audience and Dan mentioned the same thing uh we have been talking with Beacon for quite some time of the potential of be can somehow participating in this project and we had to make that assumption based on uh parking and how this was going to lay out and I'll let Rick expand upon that further if necessary but we are at this point working to potentially uh have Beacon use some of this facility or possibly the majority of the facility so we're quite excited about that as Dan rolled out the the uh PD which we agreed to we spent a lot of time assuring that parking would be uh maintained inside the property we do not nor expect any relief for parking outside of this property so on the surface streets there's no parking we've not credited ourselves for any of that parking parkings internal and you'll see we did add some amenities we did our very best to as we call pring up the place uh and Candy was very helpful in in helping us uh develop a walkable environment that we want to see downtown uh again being a business owner downtown love to see more people live downtown and walk to the shops and walk to the eateries rather than having to get in their car and drive and and we think this is the kind of product that brings that so I I won't um hammer you on any more comments uh we fully supports the Pud that's in in front of you we ask for you to support the city staff's recommendations so we can quickly get this to City commission and we can rapidly get to the point of building this project uh we did hold a community meeting we have spent a great deal of time talking to anybody and everybody in this community about Le school and you know it there was a group out there called the Sons of the pioneer many years ago and everybody has a cowboy hat will tell you oh yeah I used to sing with them well Roy Rogers if you were alive will tell you there were only seven people at sing with the sons of the Pioneers so it's it's amazing how many people will tell you yeah I went to school there and I'm thinking okay well you're younger than me so I'm not so sure you might have gone there but you know that's okay so you know a lot of dynamic a lot of uh emotion to this location but the end of the day we got the the buildings down we stabilized the area when it came to uh people utilizing the buildings as Tim K trell can tell you over 300 trespass issues we've solved that problem as well so I'm asking on behalf of the owner that you approve this PUD so again we can move this project on I'll yield my comments if you have any questions question yes you may thank you for asking uh you said you had a community meeting yes sir when was this it was prior to Christmas Tim you remember the date yeah yeah we posted it put signs up yeah okay missed that did so did the church yeah and I got a people there are very concerned about it so I was just wondering where the sign was posted they were posted and I went up there you know it's amazing that it seemed like the wind would blow in different direction because almost every day I had to go up and put the signs back up so they okay because they asking me about that they were it was posted I've got pictures to show it it was posted in two different locations at the Ingress and egress of the car park thank you John I'm trying to get my bearings here on this site plan Hearn and South okay line is north line is going east to west on top is that what we're looking at yeah okay so the church is bottom right it's over it's over here right near that gray box on the right yeah that's over here yeah Perkins Lee I got it now okay but that's okay oh let me let him finish his thought so I just want to make sure the church is over here correct it's right here okay right here okay there's on Le any other questions or having a little yeah go ahead just due to the rendering on here what's the proposed parking space quantity Dan do you have it I can't see it in the Pud from here it's and I believe it was 1067 but they if that's the correct number that I can read here if it serves to memory um they were drawn in here at 10 by 20 and part part of the Pud which we had talked about a long time ago was that we were going to reduce some of the parking space we were going to reduce the parking space sizes slightly from 10 x 20 to 9 and 1 half by 18 that's pretty common in um uh part apartment type uses so they're going to squeeze some extra ones they going to be able to squeeze some extra ones out of there just nine and a half for every 100 feet you get another space I think that's right no I was just going to try to sum it up so we can move so it's 162 did you say I believe it was 167 and I apologize I had written down but does that sound right yes sir so it looks like there's seven handicap spaces so projected units 102 yes sir 1.6 parking spaces per unit yes sir what's our average household the the actual requirement in the code for one and two-bedroom is 1.5 okay spaces so it's over um and it's it's you know you would think two bedroom two spaces I yeah I understand that but yeah the code has been that and we haven't had any problems strange as it seems we honest no overflow parking no street parking Etc having 1.6 PES for working fam it it'll end up being closer to 1718 I think when they squeeze a few more in but but yes sir that's that's the actual number that the code require so they're slightly over at this point okay Mike I'm I'm looking at this footprint that we have here yes sir and uh I'm just wondering how people the only way they get into the apartment is to park their car and walk into the building correct there's no Portico or no drive-thru where they can let people off in the rain or anything of that nature with this comp comp comp plan yes so if you're over here you got a long ways to walk in the rain to get into your house and respectfully no different than any other development of this nature most purpose of that way well unless you do it design it differently I'm not an architect I'm not an architect you know but I do have to tell you a funny story about parking if if I I could U Mr chair uh when we fenced up the property I caught heck over the fence going up and I had people calling me upset uh that we were blocking their parking and I'm I'm going wait a minute we blocked the parking to Lee school and it turned out that well no I parked there because I go to church across the street yeah I said well that's private property and we're trying to develop it and we got the fence up and it was just funny that the calls I got from people upset that we put the fence around there yeah any other questions all right thank you Mr chair we do have some renit facades Dian Dan if you don't mind showing those so you can see we did take the time to make sure we have some historic significance to the buildings I wanted to show the buildings real quick and the the designs did go through the historic yes preservation board yes sir okay so there there are several architectural features on this building and we wanted to make sure that was the case I've got a question Mike go ahead has it been presented to Historic preservation board yet yes sir yes okay what was their decision or their recommendation I believe it's 50 unanimous oh really okay yes sir well I I like the idea of the the Brick and the kind of the replication of the old e School uh could you get the same kind of density with maybe a bigger footprint but with a three story building no sir okay yeah cuz they're only they're only doing 35 uh percent green area it's usually more than that okay that was one of my that kind of stuck out to me that that's the minimum it can be over but yes sir I got to tell you guys we skin this cat every which way we could to fit this on here knowing fully knowing uh the community's uh take on this project so we I you know I any place I go Publix wherever I go I grab ice cream because I can tell my ice cream's melting when they're bending my ear over the Le school project could you comment on on the meeting that you had with some of the folks that you had these preed just most of them were phone calls yeah most of them were in opposition to the project until we walked them through to what we were trying to accomplish uh versus what is currently what was currently sitting there um and at the end of the day most of the conversations were do something with the property get those buildings tore down if you're going to tear them down and get something built but do something with the property that's that was the loud this outcry of the majority of people was do something with the existing buildings they're already torn down so this those comments were prior to the demolition of the building did you have a meeting since the demo yes sir we had a posted meeting we posted it uh on both Ingress egress of the parking lot Ted they were posted I I'm I know you're shaking your head but they were posted yeah we're not going to argue whether they were up or not I mean I just was curious pictures that they were up guys we could sit here all day and do that yeah Mr chairman but a lot of people a lot of people at the church wanted to go to that meeting I understand that okay but but if the signs put up and it blows away but Mr bar that sign was put up Saturday before the church service right across from the church it was sitting there you made your point next to my truck I appreciate it okay is that it yes sir ask one more question regards to um and I know that we we went over this in previous with previous stuff do we feel like we've had adequate studies done on the existing infrastructure to carry an additional households yes sir um basically part of the zoning review process that we've done through here and done it three times in the last eight years I think um that's part of what the Departments are charged with doing so watered Wastewater electric gas every department and utility that could be involved is given this project and they know the number of units size of the building everything else and they're charged with if there's a problem then now is your opportunity to let us know and we've got nothing back so no comment meaning that there doesn't need to be any improvements correct infrastructure outside that that yes sir that is correct sorry anything else are we going to ask yeah I'm just waiting for everybody to quit asking questions question okay um Mr Killian please state your name and your address please uh thank you Mr chairman my name is Richard kilan I'm the vice president for advancement at Beacon College 105 East Main Street here in lesburg uh uh speaking in in support of the project uh we we were very impressed with the design uh some of my colleagues went up in I believe Okala and and uh looked at a similar design which the developer built to check it out to see um um how it would look and how it would feel and something that was of great interest to us uh we have 465 students that reside on our campus uh we have a subset of probably maybe 40 to 45 that live off campus uh some some in the downtown uh some uh in various parts of the city uh so we're all so um we always get calls from parents for off-campus housing uh when we learned of this development we uh when we saw the design we are very interested in it and it's something that we would see ourselves uh partaking of go ahead yes I have a question so with this regards to I know that Beacon is um looking to expand does this have any effect of having these apartments on expansion or do you know like the percentage that you would participate in you know the rentals Etc we're looking right now at and how and if we can expand um our students uh have learning and attention issues um we teach differ because they learn differently so for uh our faculty and staff count to give you a basis of estimate um is close to 200 people for a student population of 500 to 515 that's very heavy and that's abnormal in terms of a compliment I just raised that so for us to raise our student population it has a a ripple effect on everything we do not just housing and not just dining but also our faculty and staff so for uh for us to look at any expansion there's a strong element of uh gravity to it that we have to really look at we're we're in the process of just starting now our 2030 a strategic plan so what that uh number actually is going to be is going to come out of that having said that ma'am um housing is an issue to that because you can't wave a magic wand to to kind of build housing you know so for us that's uh as an institution this would be something we' be very interested in to support any growth but I would also say too and I can't give you a specific number um we had an instent level today on um our parents have their own Facebook page we have a student today I mean we uh we had a parent today from out of state asking if there were any off-campus housing you know so there is a strong demand besides us as an institution uh the uh students and parents of our institution as well um to maybe answer your question a little bit more specific without numbers uh this facility would probably be a half mile from from our campus that would be something that would be ve that would be uh very advantageous for us which is why we went up to aala to look at the existing designs so it is something we're very interested in um for For What and how uh that translates into a student count that's something that's going to take some time for us to look at okay thank you no thank you for your question any other questions thank you thank you for I thank you for the opportunity to uh to be here tonight thank you I do want to remind you though when you make your decision one way or the other that um you have to think think of it as as Beacon not being there because it's open for anybody right is what they're doing so you don't want to give special disposition you know for it's not being buil for Beacon right so keep that in mind Mr Jer I could inject being a part of it well they're going to rent from them maybe it's still I'm just saying but knowing that there's an interest there because I have seen apartment buildings that beacons are a part of and they like Ure places they like their places to look nice and so I've seen uh I've seen firsthand apartment complex that Beacon is a part of that looks I'm glad they're there oh I agree I agure I just want to make sure you don't look at it as Beacon's property you know no I know that that's why I said what what percentage would they participate in that's what I wanted to know how much of it were they going to participate in because I know that if they're truly interested in the in that that there's going to be some we can we can we know that it's not going to look crudy it's not going to look from me in a few years it's probably going to be secure because those are the things that they require for their students to be housed in so I I'm going to be honest I'm going to keep that in mind if I know that they're going to participate if they do if they participate one more comment sir if you wouldn't mind uh it's our strong desire to work with Beacon both sides are working I think it great all three sides are working the City Beacon and this development yeah I was just I was just being you know open yep that you know it might be 100% somebody else so let me ask and I do and I do want to make sure you understand these are market rate Apartments these are not low income I I get asked that almost every day are these low income no they're market rate and that means what the market Willi market rate I want to ask the City attorney is there's no way that we can put the stipulation in there that Beacon's going to be a part of that is it no ma'am okay I just wanted to that's not fair to the developer no but that they're coming they're coming to us with that so they want us to consider that so I'm just saying if that's what you want to do you and you want favorable outcome then you're G to okay um I've got a question for Dan I think and perhaps Mike as well uh what is the city's code on multiple family zoning uh density per acre it depends on the future land use um because this is this one turns out to be about 22 units per acre that's correct and and it depending on the future land use it can go up to 25 as the highest which is the downtown area mhm okay we call 12 and 18 seems to be AIT Peak but but that's allow yeah we had a bonus density program all right anything else thank you sir thank you for your consideration anybody from the audience uh wish to speak okay we yall sworn in okay come forward please you in the green you weren't sworn in were you I might have gotten confused can I swear now or no yeah I I don't like doing it over and over again but yeah there is a couple others that may have does anybody else need to be sworn in okay please stand if you haven't if you're to speak today on either case you have to be sworn in to speak do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you all right uh whichever one wants to go first uh give your name and your address please uh my name is rone and my address is 1100 hearnden Street so I live right next door to the property that we're discussing um and I have significant concerns about what's going to be built there um a four-story building with2 units is going to be bringing a lot of people a lot of traffic to that neighborhood and I don't feel that that is going to be the best use of the property for the neighborhood and the people that currently live there um it's beautiful historic neighborhood um a lot of people who live there are very proud of their homes and I feel that building a four-story apartment building is not going to improve the sight line or the feel of the neighborhood um the space right now is used by a lot of people as a green space they bring their dogs their children I live right next door I see people there all the time I understand that something needs to be built there it can't be left the way that it is but I don't think that what's being proposed is going to be the best for the neighborhood I think that developing more for the downtown area um is a great idea but I think perhaps reconsidering the sight lines and the feel of what's going to be built there is very important and important to the people who live in that neighborhood um I did not see the signs that were posted about the community meeting or would have attended that as well um but I do have significant concerns about what this is going to do to the neighborhood and as somebody who lives there I just want to bring that to the attention of the Commissioners um so that it's something that you're thinking about when you're thinking about what you're approving to be built in that area I know that this is a discussion that has been going on for many years for you guys I just moved to my house about 3 months ago um so I am new to the area um but it doesn't mean that I feel any less passionate about how the area should be developed and how it should look for the people who live there um and I just want that to be something that is considered when you guys are thinking about approving a plan of what's going to be built there thank you thank you please give your name and address hello my name is Kelly rone U my address is 11 029 Riverside Road uh Riverside Road Riverside Road yes uh I'm actually very new to Lake County I am born and raised in Miami Dade County and I have over my 30 Years of Living watched it develop from what is very much like leeburg to a me Metropolitan type area I have watched buildings such as Apartments duplexes Town Homes build up on the sideline and watch property values go from 700,000 to 600,000 because of apartments and such being built near their area I've also watched the traffic reports from driving there and living there my whole life uh go from being regular traffic every day to accidents on the road constantly to uh also the traffic going to here in Lake County a 15minute drive I can go 30 miles crazy far in Miami dat counting because we have so many apartment buildings and so many people your 15-minute Drive will take you 10 miles with apartment buildings like this and such it will cause traffic it will cause very much congestion everywhere if you do not have proper infrastructure or uh transportation to support these people assuming that the2 departments can support four bodies in it this is what's 10 two times this will be close to 400 people moving into a 5 acre area so I just hope you County Commissioners are prepared to be bumping shoulders with people because that is what's going to happen to downtown leeburg I do have a proposition I unfortunately am not a county commissioner of A Sort City plan or anything I do think if the zoning could be developed for a park recreational facility um like parks and wrecks a dog park a skate park anything of that sort even a nature preserve would help bring traffic to the city as you guys want to help develop um uh forgive me I'm missing the word but business there we go yes business it'll help you bring business as um I've heard several people in the audience and several people on the board talk about their dogs actually a dog park as well would help bring um business um but yes I just also wanted to give my opinion on how it is being in a very busy City versus here so thank you thank you give your name and address please Gregory Alexander address is 103 hon Street um so yeah I actually am in one of the photos that Miss Harper showed actually right across the street from the property and we spent a lot of time and money getting that property to be what it is today and it's still getting better it's historic it's over we're trying to take care of it um when it comes to overall development in the area I think being able to make this area commercial in order to help or I forget what the exact zoning is that you guys are doing but I think it will help the city in general um I'm not fully opposed to developing this but my biggest concerns oh and side note I actually was there for the meeting I don't know why nobody's mentioning it but I I did show up there I saw the sign when I was walking my dogs and I don't know how long I had been there but I happened to see it and I walked in and I wrote some notes as well and they sent me an email so it did happen um but my biggest concern after speaking with Mr canell and the other gentleman there was really more so about the imposing structure itself like it's it really on line Street uh that that road is super narrow it's not a normal normal width Road and although the stru is going to be closer to that north side which is better for me because I'm on the south side you know it being four stories which I don't know what that translates into with height um it seems like it's going to be one of the tallest structures in downtown leeburg and you know again I don't live on that street but I could only imagine like people who are living on that street having these windows like looking down on them I just think it's going to be a little large so my thoughts were why is it that we need to have 102 units why does it need to be 4 stories can the density be lower just a you know smaller amount like um one of you said and spread out a little more um that's one of my bigger concerns but additionally too um if it were to move forward you know they mentioned Beacon College as Miss Carter was saying to I mean we we walk all throughout the trail all around downtown Beacon college is great you know the kids are great um it would be awesome to have them across the street you know I know they'd be great neighbors but there's no guarantee that that would happen in and my fear is that I I know that they're saying that it won't become low income my fear is that this property there's no uh fail safe to keep it from becoming that if this changes hands or gets sold I mean developments get sold all the time it's it's a multif family and people are trying to make the most money they can out of a multif family so you know I I just I have General concerns out of what can be expected out of the structure um also to when I was uh speaking with the gentleman they showed me the the uh the structure in Ocala the sister property um you know I know you have the renderings there which I think the brick renderings like a more Northern it's beautiful time oh sorry got it well I was going to say it it it didn't look like that right the other one I saw doesn't look quite like that at all so just saying I got to say you got a fantastic voice I was an audio engineer so I just kept listening your voice thank you sorry yet you cut him off I didn't want to is there anybody else to speak uh Mike would you like to you get a rebuttal or whatever very quickly uh thank you the gentleman's correct they do not look like the ones in Okala because this is designed to look as you see Lee school we wanted it to resemble Lee School the brick the concrete around the windows the architectural features so he is correct this if you want run up to elala you're going to go this is the same project it is inside but outside this is what we wanted to look like the Le school and the other one is I'm going to leave here and go check the fence because we've got that property fence so if people are walking their dogs and all that with the fencing and then no trespassing I got a problem with that so how many how many of these stories was LE School three may I Mr chairman uh lee school was actually two floors but it had very high ceilings so it had the same impact as a three FL it was the same height as a three-story building oh really yeah and and being in there a number of times um off and on for the past several years it had well it is built just like the school I went to high school in many many years ago but the ceilings were very high even higher than I think this room here so yes it was a two-floor building but the architectural impact was actually a three- floor building so did did did y'all um you and the planners discuss with them a three story building yes ma'am oh I guess in they're showing us a four it would the rendering up here in the bottom shows a three-story building and then the next one above is a four-story building I think that's a little deceptive Mike uh those are examples of what the facade would look like I respectfully disagree the answer partially answer to your question was the Lee school had a the first floor you you walked up about eight or 10 feet to get to the first level was had basement so it appeared to be about a three story structure so that's the reason this is still higher than that would be probably by about 10 ft yeah y'all couldn't come back with a three story no ma'am so the first floor wasn't ground ever yeah you know and I wasn't going to do this but we we have looked at this thing over and over I'm so I'm ready to move on with Le school no matter what what it is I've got a lot of time into it caught a lot of heck over it quite frankly uh but I do it all over again to to get us to a point where we can get something built there that Beacon could utilize and some of our folks in the community that want to live downtown okay so it is what it is the market drives that the cost of development uh I've had a lot of people tell me hey put a park there well that that's a great idea then go talk to the city about buying the property and they can put a park there or respectfully you all buy it and put a park in there yourself so I you know it's it the gentleman's in it to make money in the development and not uh build a park for the community again respectfully stated yeah I understand my my feelings on it though is you're going to put something there that's larger than what Dan can you tell us what the highest the the floor is in downtown your Bank building is right that's I believe it's six floors downtown is the highest we have right now the USB Bank the USB Bank yeah but that's surrounded by more businesses and not it it is the tallest one right right but that's not that that's my only concern is that it you are putting you know the four stories in the middle of a neighborhood and that's why we went to the extent to make sure we could make it look as much like Le school as possible yeah but who wants to look up and look at another whole story instead of yeah I'm good for my comment on that anything else any other questions thank you we're going to close to oh sorry not for him you can close okay we're close the public and uh I'll open for discussion within the our group go ahead um my question is um Mr Miller um I um pay attention to word so is this it says being TR I mean wanted to be an ordinance of the city of leeburg resoning approximate 4.87 Acres from um small plan unit development to small unit I mean two small plan your development yes sir I'm okay I can explain that every every PUD zoning has a customized set of conditions so a PUD on one piece of property is not necessarily the same as a PUD on the other we have our standard zoning districts you know you have the residential commercial industrial and those set standards within those District requirements but a PUD is something that the staff St rights looking at the property the surrounding property the conditions what the request is and many times um it comes in as a higher number than what gets presented here so it's negotiated out individually and and in order to know what a PUD says you have to go look up the actual PUD document each individual PUD is its own zoning yes classification thank you any other questions any other discussions among the Commissioners I'm sorry Among Us you mean yeah yeah we're done out there they're not there anymore yeah were you going to ask them well I was I know they the developers have probably gone over the site plan hours and hours and hours I just the impact for the folks from the north side we're only 50 feet away from the side of the road and it's but how how high is a four stability You' know more than me probably 48 what is what is the maximum height within the Pud is 55 ft okay and four stories usually will come out in the 40s what we're throwing in there is a little bit of room if there's some mechanical equipment or something like that that's pushed back and that has to be hidden um by parit or walls or something it within the Pud that's a requirement so that that's if we approve this are we approving the site plan or just the conceptually conceptu conceptually you're approving the site plan all site plans are conceptual even through the full zoning phase because there are times when the engineers get out on the site and there could be problems with the soil and so they have to shift things around things of that nature do happen this was kind of looking at the site plan and mhm imagining if that entire structure were to be moved Southward you know 20 feet or so whatever I mean that's a good suggestion it the pool can come further south the other two out buildings I'm not sure what they are could be moved further south so more of the green area becomes North it's a playground in dog part of the building itself of course ideally I the numbers probably don't work but ideally a three-story building would be much more acceptable to me again repeat you want to go Which Way South South meaning bring bring this building and come this way 20 or 30 feet it's still going to be a large structure uh or have a bigger footprint of the building with the three story and get the same density if you could do that or get close to the same density uh obviously we we we like I like the idea of something happening there I like the idea of kind of architecturally to try to re resemble the old school but I think these ideas y'all probably already thought of every one of them probably hundred times but I'm just throwing them out as another thought so no I I value that I think I agree with what you're saying the oh I'm sorry I just wanted to ask with it being four Stories the green space is that are they over on their Green Space are they at the minimum it varies right now they're they're fine on the green space requirement moving the building May I'm looking at it based on commissioner O Kelly's comment and moving the building and pulling the pool and the playgrounds to the south 20 ft may not be a big deal at all yeah it it won't change the green space that won't that won't change the green space I like that idea um if if there's a way to bring and I it's going to be about 50 I guess it'd be 51 per floor excuse me not 51 per Floor 2 25 26 per floor give or t 25 and if there's yeah something like that if there's way for the applicant to respond to the possibility of that I can't speak for the applicant I don't staff does not have a problem with the request we do want to keep the 35% Green Space because I'm sure that City commission is going to be very intent on keeping that I'm it it's probably quite doable but I you know I I'm not an engineer and not a site designer so if they if they U made it three- story and designed it with a little bit bigger footprint is Mike not here he had to go to park oh he had to go to FR Park okay okay you could get 100 units on three store three floors that's 33 Apartments per floor you're just about meeting the goal M if you can make that work with the green Air requirement water retention air requirement parking requirement and try to set that building to the South out a little bit I mean it's just a thought I'm comfortable approving this with you speaking with the staff and everything of possibly doing the things we're bringing up okay but I'm but I'm willing to proove what it is but I would surely like to see that or at least come down which is real easy from what I could see and if we approve this Tim we're approving four stories right well I understand that yeah but the a the uh Eng or the representative is not here [Music] anymore roach to another meeting make a comment in yes okay so um if we if we go from four to three just speaking numbers right we're talking about increasing the foot 20 to 25% of the overall right we're going to take a floor we're going to smash it down we're going to increase it by 20 25% um the out building air handler units things like that that we're going to have to have outside that are going to be screen walled around this is going to impede on the Green Space so either you stick it on top of the building or stick it outside the building right so now we're increasing even more additional screen walls additional footprint so if you stick on top of the building you're looking at a four story building because you have screen walls or you increase the overall footprint even larger or you have lued walls etc for fresh a intake pack units I mean there's a lot of different things but we're just looking at square footage right that's the main concern with this conversation so there are so many options with that yeah that we need to have a designer who is fluent in the computer programs to kind of dance around with this a little bit yeah I'm happy to do whatever the commission asked us to do um like like I said I was just making a statement on my my point is I'm willing to accept this I actually like it and if it can be changed in committee or whatever that's even better but but I'm willing to take this that's what I was trying to say we understand that okay okay but if we if we approve this then like you said we're approving for floors and they they have no I don't have a problem with that no I'm saying they they have no further obligation to do that my concern is with the neighbors who are going to live there that's a big building for them for them to be looking at and if if they can if they want to work on that building you have we still got to be friendly to everybody around it here's our opportunity to not do what you know like some of the people said not just stick stuff anywhere so I would like to see them bring it down I I think it would be best for the the neighborhood the surrounding buildings cuz you four stories is a lot among single story home single and twostory homes does anybody have anything new to to bring up or talk about if not I'll open it up for a a motion well I got one more question C can we never mind I have one don't come in after the fact that that want to start again you do that every well can we can we approve the density number of 102 102 based upon their ability to create a three-story structure doing that whatever motion you want that's what I was trying to sayy i' also like to mention that this still is a historic district of leeburg it's not like we're out on a we're putting this in an Orange Grove where nobody else is being affected right but it's affected the character of of our our community yes and I think I agree with what you're saying about three story I agree with what John is saying about three story and if they could expand the footprint a little bit uh I know it's all about money but you know it has also to do with the neighborhood exactly and with the people that I worship with that I I'm still upset that we didn't get a personal notice about that meeting because I know that 50 to 100 people would have shown up for it all right let's let's move forward okay can I is there a mo yeah go ahead a code question simple the 55 ft is that typ of G or is that roof line General that we're what we're talking about there is the very tip top part of the structure is what we mean by that in that's in this particular case Okay so get fo okay cool all right I open F motion your [Music] motion I did like the way you word that yeah I did I'd like to make a motion that we approve a density of an Department complex of 102 units providing the site plan and design can be done with a three-story structure I would like to second that motion any discussion rad call commissioner Sanders yes commissioner aeran no commissioner vsoft no commissioner Senate yes commissioner Carter yes commissioner Marshall yes commissioner o' Kelly yes thank you very much done and I'd like to ask the city to uh monitor the parking on the street because people Park both directions and that's against the law Hearn hear in their park the wrong direction all the time so Mr chairman may I D getting a ticket for that one a quick summary will be that when this goes to City commission um it will come with a recommendation from the Planning Commission of 102 units reduced size to three floors all other conditions remain intact correct thank you sir thank you thank you guys okay public hearing case cup 24 388 mclair duplexes conditional use permit thank you Mr chairman this is request for a conditional use permit to allow for three new duplex units on approximately one acre of land the property is generally located south of Montclair Road and East of North Lone Oak Drive i' would like to go ahead and ask Miss Melissa met de los Santos a planner with the office you said that pretty cool to present the maps and photo exhibits including the aerial zoning future and surrounding land use Wetlands flood zone maps and CRA Maps good evening Commission chairman as you can see the extended aerial shows the subject property south of Montclair Road West of North sorry this supposed to be east of east of North L Oak Drive and north of West Main Street the aerial map shows it zoomed in and it shows it uh south of Montclair and east of North Lone Oak Drive the zoning map shows the subject property is zoned as R3 high density residential to the east and west M1 industrial to the north P public to the west and C1 neighborhood commercial to the South the future land use map shows the subject property has an flu of low density residential with a low density to the East and West Industrial to the north high density to the East General commercial to the South and institutional to the West this map shows the proposed conditional use overlay and this is this the surrounding land uses are office single family residential and vacant industrial and residential to the north vacant residential multif family residential and single family residential to the east and west place of worship to the East and nonprofit to the South the flood this map shows that the subject property does not have any flood zones or Wetlands the community redevelopment agency map shows the subject property is near the Carver height cra the commission district is two and signs were posted and the first one shows a close-up of a sign on subject property off of Sleepy Hollow Road sorry there should not be sleepy holl it should be Montclair um this bottom one shows looking North across Montclair Road from subject property the next one shows looking East along mon Clair Road from subject property the bottom shows looking South across Montclair Road onto subject property and the final one shows looking West along Montclair Road from subject property and that is all I have thank you Melissa um with that we move on to the departmental review summary project was sent out to All City departments and L Lake County government School Board uh the electric Department deci decided that they will need easements which is a standard comment otherwise there were no substantive comments from the city departments the school board did state that the project will be subject to school concurrency review now since it's only three duplexes which equals out to six individual units that will mean either direct payment of the impact fees at building permit time or if um they want to get with the school board and work out uh some type of proportionate share mitigation agreement which would be very small I'm not sure they'd want to do that go to that much trouble uh Lake County Public Works had no comments and public responses uh project per statute and city code notice requirements was advertised posted in letter sent out to the surrounding Property Owners we did receive one public response and um a meeting with u Mr Mike I forget his last name yes and we um met Melissa and I met with him he was looking for offence which we added into and his letter is in the uh comments and uh we added that into the conditions on the conditional use permit uh under conditional use permits the requirements for that is it's allowing for three Villas and a villa is a fancy way of saying duplex most of the time um on one acre of land so that gives you six individual units there's no other uses permitted uh front set back is 25 ft and the proposal the proposed sizes The Bu each building be 2400 Square F feet which means each unit would be 1,200 sare F feet so it's a decent size uh 40 by 60 I believe is the each building minimum two parking spaces off Street spaces and the the uh site plan is showing three for each unit wow um fences required along the west side of the property which would be a six foot privacy fence and of course the development has to be on City water and waste water there's no Weller septics um and the recommendation by staff Mr chairman is for approval and the owner of the property Mr marilo Brown is here to answer any other questions you you may have um pretty straightforward staff is recommending approval thank you sir thanks any questions to staff Mr Brown do you have anything to add no sir I just want to thank you uh Mr chairman and commission for hearing thank you thank you does anybody have any questions with the applicant easy enough I don't guess there's anybody to speak for or against unless the city doesn't like it I want to um apologize to Mr Brown we should have put him first yeah yeah that went lot longer than I thought it would we're just we're just here to entertain you man was yeah we're we're definitely in education beot br 4 foot buildings up in here well thank you for your patience all right we'll close to the the public and uh is there any discussion if not I'll accept a motion Mr chair I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing casage number 24- 388 Mount CLA duplexes conditional use permit thank you sir you're welcome J thank you any second I'll second it Mr chairman thank you any more uh discussion roll call please commissioner eeran yes commissioner bar yes commissioner Senate yes commissioner Carter yes commissioner Marshall yes commissioner Kell yes commissioner Sanders yes all right well guys thank you for uh being here and glad we were able to work that motion out just right yes think that you think that's good I I like that I do I actually like the project by itself I make a motion to Mr chairman before you may I interrupt the motion out of order um I apologize M Mr Marshall um this is our first meeting of 2025 correct and so we are due to not not tonight but at some point in the near future we have to go through the process of reelecting chairman and vice chairman and so forth so we'll probably want to try that at the March or uh February or March meeting right um if that's let's do it for sure next time I and the other thing I wanted to do was to let you all know that the 2045 comp plan was approved by um Department Florida commerce I get the name stuff because every time there's a new governor there's a new name it seems like but the state land planning agency is now called Florida Commerce and it was approved by them we had a 30-day challenge period each of you will be receiving a full this is a full copy um I wanted to recognize my staff who did a knockout job on it and I'm really we're really proud of it so it'll be be distributed to you um very shortly before the next meeting probably get a call from us with a copy let's hear for staff thank you sir I wish they were all here but we're we're very happy and appreciative of the support that um this commission gave to staff and to our consultant in getting this done is a major Milestone we we think and we thank you very much cool thank you thank you guys I make a [Music] motion ready to get back out in that cold weather