I'd like to call this meeting to to order the Leburg Planning and Zoning Commission. It's Thursday, August 21st, 2025, 4:30. Uh, please stand for the invocation and the pledge. And gentlemen, please take your hats off. Plus, we're inside anyway.
Let us pray. Dear Lord, we ask that you be with us today as we undertake the business of the city of Leburg. We pray that the decisions we make will be pleasing in your sight. We pray this in thy most holy name. Amen. >> Amen. >> Now, if it don't fall down
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Be seated, please.
[Music] Uh, let's go ahead and swear everybody in. Um, if you plan on speaking tonight, uh, please stand. You have to be sworn in to speak. So, please stand at this time and
raise your hand to be sworn in. You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> I do. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Um, >> you want to go ahead and do your spiel there, Dano?
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like to welcome everyone to the August 21, 2025 city of Leburg Planning Commission meeting. My name is Dan Miller, planning director for the city of Leburg. The staff present today includes deputy
director Candy Harper, uh, senior planner Diane Yuckle, planner Melissa Meadows, de los Santos, and city attorney Jennifer Cot seated to my right. Today's agenda and speaker registry is available on the table by the exit door. If you'd like to speak on
a case, we would ask that you would sign the speaker's registry and turn it in to Diane, who is seated here on my left. Under the rules of participation, the meeting is conducted under the following process. The chairman will announce each case and then staff will present
exhibits for the record. This is going to include maps, photos, and text which will be shown on the screens. Staff will then provide the case background and descriptive information and then read a recommendation into the record. The applicant will have the opportunity to
speak on the case. The public will then have time to comment on the case. The applicant will be given an opportunity to respond. The chairman will close the case to the public. The commission will discuss the case. The commission will then take a vote on the case and then
call for the next case on the agenda. The planning commission is made of citizens appointed by the city commission and is charged with two primary functions. One is to make final decisions on cases such as variances and conditional uses. The other is to make
recommendations for issues which are to be heard by the city commission. The city staff makes provides recommendations to the planning commission based on the city's comprehensive plan, the city's land development regulations, and the state of Florida statutes. There are three
cases on the agenda today. All three cases on today's agenda will receive recommendations by the planning commission and those recommendations will then be forwarded to the city commission for final decisions. If you look on your agenda, you will see the
tenative dates listed in bold for the city commission dates for these projects. Those dates are subject to be changed. So, please check with planning and zoning staff or the city clerk's office regarding final hearing dates. We're pretty accurate with those, but
sometimes they do get changed. Finally, on behalf of the city of Leburg planning and zoning staff and the planning commission of the city of Leburg, I'd like to thank you for your participation in today's public hearing process. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. Uh before we get started, um
we did this once before with when we had a big crowd. If you're willing to give up your spot and have one representative, we'll give that representative more time. Um, each speaker gets three minutes. If you if you start repeating yourself or
repeating somebody that's already been up, I will stop you. But I want to give you that opportunity. If if there's somebody that you want to do it for you, I'll give you, you know, depends on how many there are. I'll give you 15 minutes instead of three.
So, is that something you guys want to do or or not? [Music] We didn't have time to prepare in all honesty. >> Okay. So, >> we had two days notice for this. >> Exactly. It's two days.
>> You got two days notice from whom? >> From the developers. >> Okay. Well, this the city's the city sends out notices. >> Send its notice out on >> if you have uh standing if you're within a certain amount of time. >> No recrimination toward the commission. >> Okay.
Okay. So, we'll just we'll go from scratch. Does everybody turn in one of these that want to speak? Because if you don't if I don't have it, you're not going to speak. >> Got to pull it up. >> Please hurry. >> Okay. Uh we will get started. Go ahead. Uh
>> thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Yeah, I got to introduce them. Oh, sorry. New business. Uh public hearing case number SSP. >> Oh, yeah. Okay, I'll go back to it. um SCP 25640
uh Royal Highlands smallcale comprehensive plan amendment. >> Mr. Chairman, did you also wish to introduce the second case as these go together with the reasonzoning? >> Yeah. Um because they these are related
a lot of the material is repetitive. So we're going to do both cases at the same time and then we vote on them separately. Um public hearing case number SPUD2642 Royal Highlands small plan unit
development. Um thank you sir. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. By way of background this project includes an annexation large scale comp plan and reszoning on a site consisting of 7.53 plus or minus undeveloped acres. The property is generally located on the
west side of US Highway 27 south of Royal Highlands Boulevard and south of the Florida Turnpike. The request is for a comprehensive plan and zoning for a future development consisting of 48 attached single family residential units
and the associated amenities. When we say single family attached, excuse me, when we say attached single family units, what we're talking about is town houses. Under the overall proposal, again, the total area of land is approximately 7
1/2 acres, 7.53, I believe. As you are aware, this commission is aware annexation requests go directly to city commission. They meet up with this comprehensive plan and zoning request at that time. So the comprehensive plan application for the project is
requesting a future land use amendment from Lake County urban to low density in the city of Leburg and got >> under the zoning application for the project. It's requesting a change from Lake County planned unit development to city of Leburg small planned unit
development. Deputy Director Candy Harper will present the maps at this time and the photo exhibits which include aerial zoning, future land use, surrounding land use, wetlands, flood zone maps, and CRA maps.
Thank you, Mr. Miller. On the screen before you is an extended aerial uh it is locating the site to the west of US 27 and south of the turnpike. The next picture is a little bit closer
up so you can see the size of the site and a little more detail of the land around it. This is the future land use showing the future land use in the city of Leburg which is just to the north and east of
this site and it is neighborhood mixed use. Lake County future land use is urban low density and there's a little bit of regional office from the county as well.
The proposed future land use is low density residential. The surrounding land uses include to the north and east hotel motel wetland and timber to the south timber to the west
single family residential and to the north single family residential. You can see that the site is surrounded by flood zones but is not in a flood zone. There is a wetland on site
that will have to be mitigated to some extent. Uh this shows a detail just south of Commerce Drive. I think you need to go back one Melissa. Back one more. Okay, maybe not. Keep going.
So the county is divided up into interlocal service boundary areas and this map simply shows Groveland and Leburg. Leburg is in the yellow, Groveland is in that pink color. Uh so
that shows where the cities are permitted to annex properties discontiguously. And this map is meant to show the developments that are already in place. And this one indicates blue cedar to the
north and on the east side of US27. Uh the zoning of that property is um planned unit development and Lake County zoning is also planned unit development and C1 with a little
bit of agriculture to the north. [Applause] The proposed zoning is small planned unit development. It is not in a community redevelopment area. The commission district it is related to
is district three. The picture on the top is showing a sign of the reszoning that we posted and that's just a closeup of it. The picture on the bottom is looking
northwest along US Highway 27 from the subject property. The picture on the top is looking northeast across US27 from the subject property. And the picture on the bottom is looking southeast along US 27 from
the subject property. And the final picture is looking southwest onto the subject property from US Highway 27. And I believe that's all I have. Mr. Miller. >> Thank you, Miss Harper. With that, we move on to the departmental review
summary. The project is sent out to all city departments plus the Lake County government and the Lake County school board for their comments. Under the city department responses, there were no substantive comments from the city departments. Uh the the project is
outside the city of Leburg electric service area. When there are no substantiative comments from the departments that means that the city the departments are saying they have sufficient capacity to serve a development in the form of water
wastewater natural gas etc. So capacity and availability do exist in the systems from the school board that the comments came back. They noted that if the project proceeds as a 55 plus community, it will not be subject to school
concurrency review. If it and I do need to note here that if the project ends up as being a non55 plus project, then it will be subject to school concurrency review. uh just this and a school concurrency
review is a review by the school board staff to see if adequate student stations are present. If they are not then the developers are required to go in generally to go into a mitigation agreement with the school board and it also has to be approved by the city. Um
just for information on the 55 plus uh Mr. Chairman cities are not allowed to require a community to be either age restricted or non-agger restricted. can't do that. That's a market decision and cities cannot place that as a
condition of zoning. I just want to bring that to the front. For Lake County Public Works, they had no comments as well. For the record, we do like to note that staff is continuously communicating with Lake County and FDOT on various
projects. So if a proposal is approved, all the requirements of the appropriate agency, whether that's Lake County or FDOT, St. John's, whomever, and particularly because it would be FDOT, it' be in regard to turn lanes, intersection or
lane improvements, additional right ofway for roads, drainage, etc. All those would apply if a project is approved. Leburgg's plan unit development documents are written to support Lake County and the state agencies where appropriate as a matter
in the matter of these requests. Under public responses per Florida statute and city of Leburg code requirements, the project was legally advertised and posted. Letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners within 200
ft. As you can see, the city received a significant number of responses. Um, staff has added all of these responses that came in within the last even up to I think it was Monday before we had to make our packets. So, we've added all of
them that we can possibly get in there um into the packets for review by the commission. We wanted you to see everything that has been sent to us. a brief summary of those responses and this is a brief summary. I can't get to, you know,
get in depth on everything, but the concerns were traffic, project density, property values, security for the neighboring residents, compatibility with neighboring single family homes, wildlife and environmental crime,
inconsistency with the city's comp plan, concerns regarding infrastructure capacity such as water and wastewater, and many others. But those were the ones that kept coming up and we try to get all of those brought to the forefront. And again, they are all in your packet. I think there's about 80 pages in there
for that. >> And I read them all >> under the PUD requirements. Now, this is as the PUD is written right now. And if this would be if it's approved all the way through city commission and planning
commission city commission didn't make any changes there' be a total of 48 single family attached units. Again those are town houses. So and I want to clarify a townhouse is where you purchase the constructed unit and the land beneath
the unit. The condominium or apartment you're either buying or renting the space inside. So there is a difference there. Um, there are no commercial uses permitted under this proposal and we're going to be talking about that some more
in a moment. There would be each unit at minimum 20 ft wide and a minimum living area per unit of 1100 square ft. Two floors would be the maximum height, minimum of two off- streetet parking spaces for each unit. The proposal
includes design and architectural standards as shown in the PUD wording and exhibits in the PUD, excuse me, along with a minimum of 35% of the property must be in open space. Dark sky lighting is required. And for the benefit of the audience, when we're
talking about dark sky lighting, that means the lighting has to be pointed in a direction so it is not shining away on someone else's property. Trees are required between each driveway of each unit. A 25- ft landscape buffer around the property is required except
where it's not needed due to existing wetland areas. There's a fence along the perimeter except where there's wetlands present. Sidewalks are required throughout the development. There is no St. Augustine grass allowed because it uses a lot of water. Uh the city does
allow Baja or Bermuda. There is additional parking provided within the development which you should be able to see on your site plan. For site access, the access is as shown on the site plan because US27 is under FDOT, Florida
Department of Transportation Authority. The developer will be required as as I stated earlier to provide any and all expansions and or upgrades to any entryways and roadways as requested by FDOT. They are aware of that. There is
also a right in right out access point which is provided on the plan as a second access which will allow regular traffic flow in and out if you're going right and allow emergency access point and emergency access point for police,
fire, ambulance services. If there's any signage for the development requested, it would come under the standard city of Leburg code requirements. I'd like to point out that there is no interconnectivity into the adjacent subdivision. Normally in a situation
where you have a new subdivision come along, you want them to interconnect. In this case, there's no need for that to interconnect into directly into the subdivision. For recreation, they have requirements that consist of providing at least
18,000 square feet of active and passive recreation spaces. That would include items such as a pavilion, dog park, outdoor cooking facilities, a tot lot or similar items such as that. That's gone over during a site plan review process.
All under utilities, all development will have to be on city water and wastewater. So there's no wells, no septics on the property. Our utility services have indicated through the review process that there is sufficient capacity. I have no control over that, but that's what has been indicated.
and sufficient capacity in all these services to serve the development. There is also a phasing or expiration clause in the PUB. It's the standard one we put in all of our zonings which requires that the development move forward with substantial commencement within four
years. That's 48 months. Or if that does not occur, the property has an automatic reversion to the RE1 zoning standards. The zoning doesn't change. They they are now still under the PUD or SPUD, whatever they're under,
but they reversed to RE1 zoning standards. RE1 zoning standards means you have to have one acre to put down one house. It's not one unit per acre, it's one acre per unit, which is a big difference when you flip those words. So, a moment ago, I mentioned that we'd be coming back to the commercial
development possibilities on this property. Staff wanted to point out that the property, as I stated earlier, is currently zoned PUD under the Lake County Ordinance 2005-45. This ordinance allowed for a mixeduse
development, including, and this is the Royal Highlands Zoning Ordinance, 1,500 single family residential units. Now, to the best of my knowledge, those are all built out. I don't know if there's any more lots in there, but I believe they're all built out. >> That's correct.
>> Thank you. Um, here's here's the concern. that PUD zoning in Lake County as we sit here today also allows on this specific site the following a commercial area consisting
of 49,500 square ft of commercial development including and I want to list these out offices such as travel real estate financial and insurance ice cream shops drugstores sit down restaurants up to 5,000 square feet
that's nice if you can get a kurabas or something but That's, you know, that's that's a possibility. Florist, bakeries, bagel shop, food market, gift card shop, dry cleaners, mailbox, pack and ship store, bank, beauty salon, clothing store, coffee
shop, delicatessan, computer store, hobby, quilting shop, sports bar, takeout and food delivery, video rentals, and specialty doctor's office. So, I think there's been some misinformation
that has gone around because I I don't know that anyone ever saw this who is pro pro or not for or against this, but we we have this information. I wanted to be fair about that and bring it to light.
Um, what this case does is brings to light the fact that the property is zoned for commercial uses in Lake County right now. And what we have today are proposals for an annexation comp plan and zoning, which would change what
would be permitted from commercial uses on this property to residential uses. Changing the permitted uses from just under 50,000 square feet of commercial uses to 48 town homes would significantly lower the amount of traffic coming in and out of this area.
Um, the issue as staff sees it is that over time the property Lake County has become more and more valuable for development. As Orlando and the surrounding counties and cities expand,
the development of prime properties does occur. staff does understand that these are not easy decisions, but we want to bring out all the facts to everyone here, here, and here. I want to bring out all these facts because um we need to be aware of what
can happen now versus what is proposed here so that you get the most and best information possible. The larger concern that staff has in this particular case is that there appear to be two options.
One is if the property stays in Lake County and that decision is not made today. Again, this is a recommendation. If the property stays in Lake County, it can go by right under the current zoning to commercial development. 50,000 49,500. So essentially 50,000 square
feet of commercial. if it comes into the city, it will have a significantly lower traffic impact among other things um as town homes. So, it's a tough decision and I want to be sure that
everyone has the correct information and um is is making their decisions based on on the facts. Um so, I would like to go ahead and read the city's staff's recommendation. Again, these are made based on
consistency with the comp plan and the zoning regulations and state statute. So, for the request for the small scale comprehensive plan amendment from Lake County urban low to um city low density,
it this is case number SP25-640. Planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons. One, the project meets the requirements of chapter 163.3187 Florida statutes for small-scale comprehensive plan amendments. Two, the
proposed request for small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to lowdensity residential is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County urban lowdensity regional office and city of Leburg neighborhood mixed use. Three, the proposed request for a small plan unit development zoning is compatible
with the current zoning surrounding zoning districts of Lake County PUD C1 neighborhood commercial and city of Leburg PUD for the proposed future land use designation for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan. Future land use element
goal one objective 1.6. The action requested is vote to approve staff's recommendation to change the future land use of the subject property from Lake County urban low density to city of Leburg low density residential and forward this recommendation to the city commission for their consideration. The
second recommendation for the request from zoning from Lake County PUB to City of Leburg SPUD small plan unit development case number SPUD25642. Planning and Zoning Department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons. One, the proposed
request for an SPUD small plan unit development is compatible with the current surrounding zoning districts of Lake County PUD C1, which is neighborhood commercial and city of Leburg PUD. to the proposed future land use designation of city of Leburg low
density residentials compatible with adjacent properties having future land use designations of Lake County urban low density regional office and city of Leburg neighborhood mixed use three the proposed zoning designation for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan future land use element
goal one objective 1.6 I'd like to point out on that recommendation being consistent with future land use settlement goal one objective 1.6 six that is a representative sample of the goals, objectives, and policies. It does not include every single one because we
would have a list of what it's consistent with that would be a mile long. So, it is a representative of of that. The action requested is vote to approve the proposed reszoning from Lake County PUB plan unit development to city of Leburg SPUD small plan unit development and forward this
recommendation to the city commission for their consideration. So therefore, Mr. Chairman, based on a review of the proposal and the fact that it is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan, land development regulations, staff is recommending approval for these cases. Mr. Tom Daly and Mr. Bill Monkey
of Daily Design Group are and others are here to represent the case and ask answer any questions you may have. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Uh before they come up, um just to let you know, the the staff will give their their part like
they just did. Then the applicant will come up and then that's then after that, y'all have a chance. And then the last thing is the applicant can come back up and um either have a rebuttal or answer questions that you may bring up when you're up here. And that's pretty much
how it goes. I also want to remind you that whether we vote yes or no on this, it still goes to the city commission. So, make sure you get those dates which are September 8th and October 13th.
So, either way, you need to go to those if you're against it, you know. So, anyway, just wanted to bring that up. Uh, yes, I was going to Yeah, go ahead and bring that. >> Thank you. I was just thinking I need to get her Thank you.
>> Thank you. Okay. Uh if the applicant would uh state their name >> Hello, >> applicant. >> Yes. >> Oh, one more second. Is everybody warm? I see people waving themselves up.
>> Can we get the air conditioner cut down a little bit or >> turn the temperature down? >> Cold fire marshal. Half you all have to leave. >> Yeah, I saw I saw several people doing that. So >> I know it's like >> Yes. >> Um
>> uh good evening. My name is Tom Daly. I'm with Daily Design Group. >> Your address too, please. >> Um we're at 9 913 North Pennsylvania Avenue in Winter Park. Uh we're landscape architects and urban planners and we're
here on behalf of the property owner GPK. Um, >> and please turn your phones off. >> As Dan said, you know, I've got a quick PowerPoint. I know we're, you know, we've got a lot of uh folks coming in, but you know, we're we're requesting to
annex the 7.3 acres of into the city. It's within the uh city ISBA and we're going to be using city utilities as part of this. Uh we're amending the future land use as part of an annexation and then we're amending the zoning from the
commercial to the uh SPUD which specifies the the limits of only the 48 town homes on the site. Just to give you a picture that all that white back in there that is all Royal Highlands. Uh our site is um just a
little bit south of the main entrance. It fronts on uh US 27. That blue dash line is the ISBA line uh for the city and the city of Groveland between Leburg and Groveland.
I'm going to give you a brief history on it because this has been a project that's been in the works since uh 1994, 31 years ago. The original master plan for this thing was part of a development of regional impact which encumbered all
of Royal Highlands uh homes. the whole project,500 single family units um and and all the entitlements that go with that. Uh the master plan itself was amended back in 2005
and as part of that the uh there's some softball fields up by the entrance that our community softball that land was deed by the master developer to the homeowners association. Um and at the same time that's when the
commercial encumber became the on this particular property we're talking about. Uh there was an access easement uh agreement recorded in 2009 which gave this property access uh to the Monarch Boulevard which is the main
entrance to um Royal Highlands. And then there's a a road called Royal Commerce Drive and that agreement uh provided for that access. It also provided for shared storm water utilities. It's it it's a fairly comprehensive uh thing, but it
was part of the master developer working with the then HOA and granting easements and and sharing uh rights and responsibilities. Uh then they uh in uh 2009 also there was a piece of property that was adjacent to the softballs that
softball fields that uh the master developer deeded for a pickle ball court uh up in that that front area. Uh the site was purchased by my client GPK in 2023. This is the original master plan. Um,
all the area within Royal and Highland Homes are Royal Highland. The red is up there at the end where the softball fields are today and where the main entrance is. That was originally approved for commercial development. The site that we're working on was originally approved for residential
development. after the 2005 uh amendment to the overall PUB uh that's where the softball fields became ownership of the uh HOA and the commercial land was actually shifted south into this vacant piece of property
which is uh the 7.3 acres we're here to talk about tonight. So, the current entitlements on it, like I think Dan Miller said, was uh we have 1500 single family homes, 300 recreational vehicles, and 49,500
square ft of retail commercial. And so, everything the 1500 has been built. I believe that they have the RV storage, which I don't know if it has 300 uh vehicles in it. Um and then the commercial remains intact.
This is the site and um it is 7.3 acres. It has an existing retention pond on it. That retention pond has some uh easements granted to the uh homeowners association as part of that 2009 agreement that we talked about. You can
kind of see like a a line that runs kind of zigzag along there. That is a uh like a tree line. That is a a burm that was installed by the master developer. I don't know when. Um, but that was to uh screen the the residential properties
that have been built from 27 and any other activities that would go onto this property. But this is the whole site that Mr. uh Toby Sims and uh uh GPK purchased uh a couple years ago. So, it has a lot of frontage on 27. One of the
provisions in the the PUB documents uh restricts direct access to Highway 27 and that started back with the 2005 amendment and that has never been never been changed. We looked at what you could do with a
commercial site. This is an example of a I'll call it a strip center if we all know what that is where it's a single building with line you know uh rows of uh various uses and so the uses that Dan had talked about in order to develop
this in this fashion and really if you wanted to do it in what they call out parcels you you'd have a similar situation parking trucks turnaround we would be required to amend remove that burm,
excuse me, and expand the retention ponds because the the amount of pavement that goes into a commercial development is much greater than the amount of pavement that goes into a single family uh development. So, this is just kind of
like, you know, one of the earlier studies that was done about can we put this commercial on here and what would it look like? So that's that's 49,500 square ft facing the road with the back towards the the residence like every
other shopping center that we would see. This is our plan. What we are proposing is to leave the burm the landscape burm that was installed uh originally to uh you know shield the the residents from 27.
We are going to leave the existing retention pond which has home sites fronting on it right now. And it's essentially just a a one road um small road culde-sac with six buildings. Um and these six buildings are uh all have
garages. They all uh variation between one and twocar garage. Um and so there's also some existing um trees that we went out and had an arborist evaluate. The big green circles down there in the
lower portion, those are trees that were deemed to be healthy and happy live oaks. And so this plan contemplates saving those trees. So we went out there, we evaluated. There was some dead trees on the site. Uh Mr. Bill and his group, they mowed it everything, cleaned
it all up, had the arborists go out there, trim trees, remove dead and dying trees, but essentially we're at 48 homes and uh you know, the minimum width is uh 20 ft wide, which is kind of common for that style of development. Uh maximum
twotory. Um there's not going to be multi-story buildings as part of this. And the parking would be both in the garage and in the um driveways and then visitor parking kind of spread out between uh the buildings themselves.
This is conceptual, but uh it is something that, you know, there's not too many ways to to slice this pie. So, this is pretty much where we're going with it. It also has a recreation area on our side of the burm uh that has you know we're contemplating pickleball court uh dog
park pavilion like that. The land on the other side of the burm which is directly adjacent to the Royal Highland community we're proposing is simply open space. you know, it's, you know, it's not worth
trying to go around a burm and and, you know, do all that, but it's it's property that is we own. And so, we're we're proposing to have that simply as open space uh as part of this, but not activated open space, not picnic tables or, you know, anything that we would
want to encourage the residents that would live here to be utilizing. So, there'll be no improvements on it except the grass that's growing right now. So, this is an architectural elevation of what uh what we're proposing. Um, this
is not your your typical um product where a national home builder has three or four different types of town homes. They went ahead and hired a a pretty prestigious uh architecture firm in Orlando to come in and do custom design for this. And so you can see it's all
the uh standing seam roofs which will you know last 50 years not last uh 15 you know like our houses. Um but you can see the there's a mixture of onecar garage and a twocar garage. We had a community meeting. Um well we
met with the uh HOA board when we first were contemplating this and this was back in March. Um, we since uh made applications, worked with your staff on, you know, fine-tuning the PUB. We met again with the board a couple weeks ago
to circle back because it had been a couple months. And then on Tuesday, we had a community meeting for all of the residents of Royal uh Royal Highlands. About 350 people attended that meeting. They got a big beautiful banquet hall. I don't know if you've ever been behind
the gate, but it's it's nice. And so we had about 350 people. We gave a very similar presentation as what we gave tonight. And we stayed for about an hour afterwards answering questions. You know, we had microphones for people to answer answer. Um I'm glad all 350
didn't show up tonight or we'd be at Venetian Bay. But uh but you know, I think, you know, certainly there's there's folks here that showed up here tonight that that have concerns. But we were, you know, a lot of the folks that we talked to came up afterwards said,
"Thank you. Now I understand what you're proposing and I'm not really objecting to it. I'm not putting words in people's minds, but well, it's >> obviously it wasn't them that came up and talked to me. I'm just saying that
this is this is, you know, I would say a a portion of the the folks that showed up at the community meeting didn't see, you know, this is objectional. Um, again, we're downzoning the property. 49,500
square feet of retail commercial could Dan gave this whole big list of all the things that could go in there, you know, and folks that that live in areas next to commercial, you can't pick what commercial you're going to get. You can't say, "I really want a a Domino's
pizza." The market tells you what you're going to get. And so in this particular you know you know location front on 27 as you know all the things that are happening at the interchange and all the things that are happening um you know in
the in the city of Groveland um you know it has a lot of value. Our client decided that they would prefer not to do that in this location and that they would prefer to develop something like this. And so with that, we appreciate
staff support. Um we look for your support also. And um of course, I'm here to answer any questions you may have and then I would like the opportunity to come back and respond to some of the the comments that we get from the the audience.
>> Thank you. Does the uh commission have any questions of the applicant? >> Okay. Anybody else? No, I think you covered the bases pretty good there. Uh the burm and the landscaping burm. Uh
I think it's very well placed. Uh I don't know how long it'll take to mature or how height how high the the trees are. >> It was put in long enough that it is mature. There are big trees on it. I mean >> that was done prior. >> Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's fully
it's fully vegetated, you know. needs a little TLC, but uh >> any others? Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay, I'm going to I've got all these sheets. I'm going to call your name out one at a time. Uh you get three minutes
each. Remember, please don't repeat what your neighbor just got through saying because I will cut you off. Um we don't want to spend, you know, an hour listening to the same thing over and over and over again. I understand your concerns and I want to hear all your concerns. I just don't want to hear the
same one over and over again. Okay. Thanks. And I if I can't read your name or if I mispronounce it, I apologize. And I think the first one's Jim Dwayne maybe or Donnie.
Thank you. Please state your name and give your address, please. >> My name is Jim Dwayne. I live in Royal Highlands at 720 Princeir Place. Um my
question to commission to is this says you're going to change it to low density. I don't see how 48 town homes and basically you're talking five acres of buildable area is low density
according to all the descriptions I have that's doesn't meet that requirement. Can you explain that to me? >> In the city of Leburg in the city of Leburg there are several different future land use categories. One's called estate. That's four units
an acre or less. The next step up is called low density. That's eight units per acre or less. And then medium's 12 and high density is 18. So anything eight units or less is called low density. And every city can have
different definitions on that. I believe Lake counties is the same as ours when it comes to low density. >> Thank you. Is that it? >> Thank you. Um could explain because um like the
concept of it's not like one whole acre of land and then one house in the middle. Can you give that definition like explain that again? I think that's >> units units per acre versus acres per unit. You just flip flip words around and the definition changes. And that's
why you have to be so careful about the wording. Three units per acre could be and I really need some drawings here. Three units per acre, let's say, could be one acre, three houses split up in one/3 acre lots each. Or it could also
be three houses in one corner of that acre. You're still dividing it on a gross basis. What's the total? Um, three acres per unit. Swapping that means you start with three acres and
then you can put one unit down. It helps to have drawings, but it's a good question. Um, one acre per unit means you would have to put down create one acre a lot and record that at the county. Then you could put one house on
it. But one and switching the words again, one unit per acre, you could have a 100 acres and a 100 units and put all 100 units on a small corner of that 100
acres. So it's it's very you have to be paying real close attention when people are talking about units per acre, acres per unit because it's very easy to transpose that not only in understanding it but in um
calculating it. So the as an example Royal Highlands has about I want to say 1,090 to 1100 acres right in there. A large part of that is wetlands. If you calculate that out on gross density, you're at about I think
1.5 units per acre. Um, but if you reverse those calculations or if you take the wetlands out, there's a hundred ways to do density. So, you want to be careful. The city of Leburg uses a gross measurement on on
everything because otherwise we go from project to project and everyone is confused. as far as how density is calculated. So, um, but that's a that was a good good question. >> Yeah, good question. >> Both. >> All right, let's move along. We got
quite a bit here. Uh, Debbie Dwayne, [Music] >> I could read your last name. >> Hi, my name is Debbie Dwayne and I live at 20720 Prince Reneer Place, Royal Highlands. Um,
I'm really kind of confused about public works because I know that on days I cannot wash my clothes on the day my precinct waters their grass. So, I have no water pressure and I know I've called the city of Leburg and talk about this.
I didn't get an answer back, but I know a lot of my neighbors have the same problem. So if when they put in if they're allowed the 48 town homes and there is u problems with water and sewer is le city of lease we're going to come
out and upgrade us. I can get you in touch with the public works department. Um I do not know the I do not know the answer to that because I'm not familiar with the the problem other than what you've just said. I have not heard of that before. Um,
>> you're telling me I have to call the city of public works? That should have been I mean, I'm assuming that was already worked out. Putting, you know, 48 town homes. Somebody ought to know the answer to that question already. How's that going to tax our subdivision?
The city has responded to our requests that there is sufficient capacity in the water system. If you would like to call the public works department and let them know you have a water pressure problem, that's fine. That's not anything we can do today.
>> There's nothing I can I I'm not I'm not responsible for water pressure. >> Okay. So, but >> this office is not responsible for that. >> So, if there is a problem though, do I go is that a question I need to ask the public works? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. And I've been to all the growth meetings. I've attended all the growth
meetings by the um Lake County Commissioner's Office and you know there is a road problem. The cities and the county will need 700 million to build new roads in the next 10 years which is 70 million on at the
taxpayers. So to say that we're not going to have a road problem, we do have a road problem. There was a bad accident just in front of our subdivision where almost two people died. So, there is a traffic problem. >> Thank you.
[Music] Uh, >> Betsy Felton, did >> I say that right? >> Betty. >> Betty. I'm sorry. >> Thank you. >> Does that look like a TU?
>> Looks like a Z. >> That wasn't my fault. >> I'm sorry. I thought I heard you, but I wasn't sure. It's okay. >> My name is Betty Felton. I live at 21116 Lady Marian Way. Um, not by her, but I
can tell you as far as the water is concerned, I did call the water department. They transferred me to a gentleman who said he was a director because I have so much iron in my water.
When I I have a whole water filter on my home and when I change the filters about every two months, they are absolutely rust colored and there's only me living there.
So, it's not that there's a lot of water going through. Um, I actually wanted to speak to you because I'm concerned about the traffic, the number of homes that have been in
have been put in in the short period of time that actually aren't even up and running. We are experiencing huge delays on 27 getting on and off the turnpike backups
and it hasn't even begun yet because these houses are not developed. People are not living in them. I mean the traffic is atrocious and we have so many
more accidents than we ever have had. I am more cognizant of that because my husband was a police officer and I see them and they're serious and I think they're going to have to
widen 27 and I don't think these take into account how they're going to wide 27. So, I would encourage you to take a look at the traffic pattern, how you're going
to in expand 27 is going to have to be expanded quickly. The infrastructure just simply isn't there for all of those homes. >> Thank you. And I will make sure that the utility
I'll make sure the utility folks uh get the the utility folks. I'll make sure they get word about the rust and the pre water pressure. >> Thank you. >> Either way, whether it's approved or not approved, I'll make sure they hear. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Thank you.
>> Oops. Uh see if I get this name right. Cecilia White. >> I got one right. >> Yes. Thank you. I'm Cecilia White. I live at 4730 St. Andrew's Arc in Royal
Highlands. Um, it's a beautiful community and what I'm going to talk to has more to do with um, love of home and uh, many people chose our community because of the beauty of it and just
because of the feel and I'm one of those people. I don't want to be any place else. I've seen every development 55 plus development from Ocala to CMI and I still would choose Royal Highlands. So, I have a very vested interest not only uh in the money I paid for my home,
which was almost nothing because it was 2012. Uh but also just because I love the community. I see this as detrimental uh in many ways. Uh one has to do with the water supply. I too have experienced similar
things to what other folks have said. But also the fact that these units if they're permitted, okay, will not be single family residences as we know them in our community where people live and stay there pretty much year round. 70%
of our residents are there year round. These are going to be rentals. I don't know if anyone brought that up, um, but these are going to be rentals. And you and I both know that this close to Disney and all the other things in Orlando, those can become very
short-term rentals with a revolving door of different people coming in every other week, things like that. That's a real concern to me. Okay. Um, from many perspectives, I just would uh hope that this commission would consider the
people part of this and not just all the specifications. I'll admit that I don't understand that your staff person mentioned. Um, but I just hope that you'll consider some of that as well. Um, that's about it. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] >> Uh, Tony, >> see you. >> I'm not even going to try.
You're not even going to try on that one. >> It's a long Italian name. >> Tony Siani. I live at 5443 Queen Victoria in Royal Highland. I'm just going to over a few points. >> Thank you. >> Um, we had a meeting last night with the
community that the developer presented to us. That's the first time we've heard about it in two years. But also when I look online, they've been advertising it as their development as a project that
they're doing right now. Uh if we do a commercial, it's very similar to what you have at Plantation with Celebration. We're celebration uh strip mall. The people have to exit onto the le the plantation exit road, which they do have
accidents, but it's feasible. uh if we go with this and the school uh they'll have children and the school buses, how are the school buses going to come in, drop off, pick up, and how they're going to turn around? I don't see that even possible there. And
originally, these were for sale and then it was presented last night that they're going to be rental units and with a minimum of one-year lease. uh how they're going to actually do a separation between the properties. I
don't see how that's that's going to work. And the traffic is really going to be a problem because people getting out of this proposed development, if they're going north, they're going to have to go on to Monarch Road to the light to make a left. That's the only egress that we
have at Royal Highlands to come in and out. Otherwise, they can go out of Commerce Boulevard, make a right, go down a road, make a U-turn, and then go back. More accidents. Um, and the visual block between these
units and the residents who live there behind it. I don't see how they're going to do that. And you know, if it's a commercial, they're going to be businesses that would support the community, not not provide a detrimental
living. Anyway, uh I thank you. >> Thank you. >> That's really off the head. >> Sorry. Sorry I didn't get your name. >> 59 seconds. >> I sometimes forget to hit the button. >> Can I have that three minutes?
>> Sure. I'm easy. >> Uh Michael Admiral. >> Yes. >> Admiral. [Music] Hi, my name is Michael Amaral. I live at 20740
Prince Rener place in um in Royal Island and a lot of my concern has already been addressed by other people. So, so I don't have much to say. Um so my understanding is that there will be only one exit from this uh from this uh
development. There there's not a second exit >> just one from >> only one exit going on the commerce drive. Okay. All right. Uh the only thing I have to say is to reinforce the idea that uh uh we are RA Island is a
retirement community where the fact of having peace and you know quiet and peaceful surrounding is important and here we're going to have something that is not going to be quiet and peaceful because it is not uh number one it is
not um for sales for family uh to stay there long term but rental and it's been said before. And uh the other problem is that um
now I lost my train of thought. The >> happens to me all the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. The other problem is that we we Oh yeah. And the other problem is is that is it is not limited to 55 and above like our our community. So we're going to have people with, you know,
young people, teenager, who goodness knows what. As was mentioned before with rental, it could go rapidly to fast rate rentals and a a crowd that may be um disturbing in many way to the character
of the existing community. And that's my main problem. We have a bunch of elderly people, some of them very elderly and not driving very well. And uh we going to as I said increase traffic and we already have accidents and uh
>> yeah people do crazy things. I mean you know then and um and uh it's it's this as as presented now is out of character. It does not synchronize with the rest of your community. That's that is a
problem. the the the townhouse may be looking nice but they they don't synchronize with the architecture of the uh of the surrounding community nor nor uh the lifestyle of the community.
So oh I have only 30 seconds. So we have we have a lifestyle discrepancy between this and what we have and we have also a architectural discrepancy between between the two. Well that's it.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Terry Van Winkle. I'll speak from here if it's okay because I killed somebody. >> No, we need to get you on on tape. >> Yeah. Sorry.
>> Everything goes on on tape. >> And video. >> Can't deny it later. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Plenty loud. I don't need a mic. >> State your name and your address, please. >> Terry Van Winkle. I live at 5340 Sir
Churchill Drive. uh been at Leburg uh Royal Highlands over the last 15 years. My wife's 25 years. So, we got a little experience with what's going on and I can understand your concerns. I've only got two things I want to bring up, but
one of them I hope that somebody in the commission has talked with the DOT regularly. You've got expanded 27 north. We do not have it south and especially in front of us. This is going to be constructed right on 27. So, they're not going to be able to
expand to the west. It'll all have to go to the east. And I hope that the DOT and the commission thinks about that for our future because we do need wider roads. The other thing is the retention pond in the Burm everybody wants to talk about. They're going to be on the east
side of the Burm. On the our side of it, you see the houses that are all around that retention pond. You got 49,000 square feet and a good chunk of it going to be cement. You're going to have roofs. You're going to have driveways. All draining.
That retention pond I don't believe is going to be able to handle it. They say it does. I don't believe it. The other thing they've requested that we maintain that pond. They own the pond. We should not be liable for it. Any repairs that need to be done to that, any extensions to that to to
handle everything should be their responsibility. We do not want the liability of maintaining that bond pond on one side of the burm or other doesn't matter. It is their property and I just want that to be considered in your agreements.
That's all. Thank you. >> I got a question for you sir. >> You don't have you're not bourbon business, are you? I'm not what >> in the bourbon business. >> No, they won't let me. [Music]
>> Believe me, I have tried >> because of your last name. >> I can't even afford it. So, >> well, a bottle of that stuff can cost you three or$4,000. >> Oh, >> well, the security there's nothing we can do with this. Let's move on. It's going to be a problem.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, Judith Richards, please. >> Yeah. We will go over. >> Judith. >> Oh, okay. >> Got a dog.
>> Oh, [Laughter] >> all right. >> Okay. pretty much uh most of his has to take your name and >> oh I'm sorry Judith Richards I live at 21751 King Henry Avenue I am one of the houses
that is within the 200 ft of these houses my friend actually lives across the street from the big lot that is very beautiful okay one of my concerns is of course the traffic because Highway 27 Seven. You
would not believe when you're on Monarch Drive and the light turns green, do not go. There have been terrible accidents because the cars that are going north and south don't stop.
Uh it's our only way both in and out. We really should have another road in case of hurricanes or something terrible happening, but that's bad planning for our community. Uh I worry about uh Commerce Drive is
actually like a dirt road practically. There is some black top there, but uh it has to seriously be built up. It's like a little country road. I worry about uh on the construction.
It's really gonna tear up the only road we have. So, I worry about that. Um the utilities everybody has brought up, it is maxed out. We have 1,500 homes
and I also live around that area when the water is there's some awful smells come out of there sometimes. Okay. Um, noise. I don't know if these people are
realized how noisy it's going to be for that for this complex. Actually, they would be doing us a favor because they'd be a buffer for us. But, uh, I'm worried too because these rentals
are going to be only rentals. In other words, nobody is going to be purchasing one of these uh town homes. >> You would much rather have homes that are owned by the people that live in them. Is there going to be
a management company that is going to be on site for these 48 homes? If there's a problem, who do we call? So that I'd like to know that. Are they going to have a management that handles
the rentals there? >> We'll have the applica applicant uh address that when they get back up there. >> Good. Okay. Um so anyway, yes. Uh and my friend and I were neighbors and good
friends and we worked on a similar problem about four years ago. We had a developer that was wanted to put in 32 homes. Huh? >> Time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Over here. >> Uh Karen Sag. >> Sorry if I butchered that. >> How do you pronounce your last name? >> Perfect. Perfect. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, I'm Karen Sal. I live at
5607 Prince Andrew Court uh in Royal Highlands and I am speaking on behalf of my both my parents that live there and
two blocks across the road my aunt and my cousin lived in another home. Okay. Um and they couldn't all be here due to care issues. Um so basically
um everybody's touched on the subjects that are a concern to us. >> Questions that you may want to present in the applic. >> Well, um the water pressure and the
traffic are are are a big big thing. We're worried about um people making U-turns at that at that light there to get to their complex. And if they're not making a U-turn, they're going to come into our complex. They're going to go up the side road around the softball field.
And from what I understand that the the uh developer doesn't want to pay to take help pay for that road to take care of it. I walk um my elderly parents on these roads. Um there's no sidewalks there. I'm going
to have be dodging traffic with all these people coming through to to get to their development. They they should um you know wait till DOT puts in an extra lane for them to to turn or something. But I don't think it's right that they should come into our community and beat
up our roads, especially if they're not going to help out and pay for it. The other thing is um the fact that they're going to be rentals. Um that's nobody's happy about that.
Everybody knows that if uh people own their own home, they're going to take better care of it. And what's to guarantee that that um year-long rental that their HOA or whoever's handled is not going to say, you know, a year down the line, okay, now we're going to do six months rentals
or three month rentals. Why not just say, oh, if you have to build it, no rentals allowed, purchases only. Just like the Hawthorne comm uh community uh in Leburg, they don't allow rentals.
um you know, it's it's gonna deteriorate the quality of life in our development. And I've only been down here a couple of years, and I've been visiting my parents for years before that, but um I can tell you
that up until about six months ago, I never had to wait at a light to turn into Monarch Boulevard. Now I have to wait two traffic lights back to where the uh the interstate is
or whatever in order to in order to just turn into our own community. So >> thank you. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Huh? >> It goes off. >> Or it did last time. >> Did I do that?
[Laughter] to fix it. >> All right. Um, if the applicant will come back up and uh address some of the questions and answers and all that, >> I'll do my best, sir. Um,
>> before you get started, I also I know that roads a big concern and um that's something I'm gonna personally try to, you know, talk to the state about. um with all the development that is going on. Um they do traffic studies and
they have to the roads have to be to a certain amount before we can even let them do it. But maybe those standards need to be readressed, you know. So, but I whether it wins or loses, I I'm going to look into that as well as the utilities. >> Sorry.
>> That's all right. Um, again, Tom Dailyaly, uh, it seems like the there's a few general and I'm going to try to summarize some of these. Um, regarding the the water and the utilities and the pressure, we didn't know about that
until the other night when we had our community meeting. And so, naturally, we are going to be reaching out to your public works department to kind of see what's going on. It's all city water and city sewer. uh they have the capacity, but if there's pressure issues and
things like that, we certainly were part of it, whether we're commercial, whether we're residential. Um, with regards to >> we were we were unaware of that as well. So, just be aware of that. I mean, the staff here didn't know that. So, because they're different departments and you don't get all the information. So,
>> anyway, sorry. >> Uh, in regards to to traffic, all I can say is that, well, a couple things. Uh, number one, this was all part of the Royal Highlands PUB back in 1994, 2009,
2005. The traffic improvements that that master developer had to do incorporated the commercial development that is on our site, the 49,500. They when
they submit big projects like that, they have to give traffic studies. They have to do all of that. So baked in to this overall project, the approvals is the traffic from this particular property at
a commercial traffic rate. We are reducing that traffic substantially. 49,000 square ft. The cars are coming in and out. It Well, I I'm sorry you I'm sorry. I'm sorry you disagree, but
traffic for commercial for 49,000 square ft is more than 48 town homes. Period. >> Please don't be rude. >> Okay. >> I just wanted to ask so do you know off hand how how many uh
cars how many cars per town home? You said two. There's two, >> right? Well, according to the the they call it the Institute of Traffic Engineers. It's what they base their numbers on. This style of development will have six trips
per day. 6.5 trips per day. >> Okay. That's per day. >> Yeah. Well, one or two depending. Yeah. Now to in comparison, this is their figures. A single family home has 10 trips per day. This is National
Institute. This is what all of your traffic engineers base their numbers on. >> The commercial will have >> a a lot more. It it depends on the use, but it's it's significantly more. Um well, if not, it's not a successful commercial property. >> Please be quiet.
>> So, go ahead. >> How many square feet? I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. >> How many square feet commercial were you? >> It's approved for 49,500 square ft. >> Thank you. Okay, let's let him finish up and then we'll ask our questions. That
way we can keep the flow going. >> Um, you know, relative to um >> I'm just trying to see because most of them were were traffic regarding the the road and the access and all that. I think I I mentioned to you that there is an agreement that the master developer
placed over the Royal Commerce and and uh Monarch Boulevard, that's the main entrance by the by the road. Um that agreement was done in 200 I want to say five or nine. I think maybe it was nine. Um, so it's been in place for 20 years
and it granted the access to this property and the property that they had before which was now converted to the softball fields access over these roads. The issue of maintenance did come up at the community meeting. You're driving on
our road, you know, because these are all private roads. They're not public roads. And so, you know, we are going to begin discussions with the um HOA board about fine-tuning that agreement. We do
not mind paying for the maintenance of those roads on a proportional share, meaning we got 1,500 homes that are using it versus 48. So, that's about 4% the 48 of the 1,500.
So if as we move forward, we're more than willing to go ahead and participate in the the the maintenance of the road because, you know, our folks are driving on it, too. But um it'll it'll be relative to the overall traffic and the
overall impact. And we are in discussions or we're going to go into discussions uh soon with with the uh board about fine-tuning that access agreement and placing you know possible restrictions you know or financial commitments for it. We're not trying for
a free ride even though by our agreements we have a free ride but we understand there was a comment relative to the storm water pond. Um, as you can see, it's on the other side of this big burm. It's currently being used. It was
designed to handle residential development that's on this 7.5 acres. Now, the our engineers are meeting with uh St. John's Water Management District. They're going through all the permits and calculations. And these are 20- year
old permits and calculations, but we're going through it to confirm that what we're putting on here is going to be able to be handled by that pond. If not, then there's going to have to be enhancements to that pond to to get the
the water up. If it's commercial and all the pavement on that, you can guarantee you that pond's going to have to get bigger and reconfigured. Regarding the maintenance of that pond, since I'm on the pond, we heard very clearly that we need to
h what do I say? Barricade, for lack of a better word, the folks that are moving into this community from the folks that are currently living there. And we are not part of the the Royal Highland community at all. They have a
gate. We don't have access to it. They have amazing uh amenities. We don't have access to any of that. We are not going to be part of their HOA, but we understand that there needs to be some security. Even though right now
it's just an open field with a burm, anybody can walk in, but we recognize that placing residents there could cause, you know, people coming over or whatever. So, we're committed to working again with their board to say, "Okay,
how can we best keep folks from to separate the two?" When we do that, we're going to be separating this community from that retention pond and all that open space. All right? as as a way of, you know, protecting the the
privacy of these folks. So, relative to the maintenance of it, now we're fencing ourselves off. We're not going to be part of it, but maintaining the grass around it and the pond, you know, but those are things we're going to work out with the with the board because again,
right now, the HOA has an easement over that pond. we own it and so we'd like to clarify a lot of things with that. They've got irrigation, they're maintaining the grass, they're and they've been doing that for years, right, since they developed. Um but
anyway, um regarding uh the the rental component of it, um we did uh uh commit at the community meeting and I'll commit here tonight that there'll be no short-term rental and that's less than six months.
Are we done? Can you let me talk, please? Um, we made a commitment that it would be a >> You stick to what you do. >> I'm sorry. >> I'll control the crowd. You stick what you do. >> Okay. I'll face this way. Thank you. Um, but we we did we did say that we would
have a minimum one-year rental so that we don't have short-term rentals on the property. Um, I think that's pretty much the highlights of of what it Oh, there was a
question about the management on site. The size of this community doesn't warrant having a someone sitting there in an office. It will be managed, of course, and it will be, you know, there will be a property association and a property management company, but there
won't be anybody coming there 9 to5 and and being on at 48 homes. It's just not big enough to support that kind of that kind of a amenity. Um the rest, you know, I mean, relative, >> yeah, there's problems on 27 and there
those problems are going to get bigger, but that's bigger than all of us, you know. Um you're right. We, you know, that the DOT does need to address this and they are doing things north of here, but not here yet. And so we recognize it, you know, but we don't think we're
the cause of that. And we're not exasperating the problem at 48 homes versus 1500 homes. The downgrade from commercial 49,500 square ft of commercial to 49 town homes. We think we're lessening the
impact. We think we're more compatible than a commercial shopping center. we are not part of this community, meaning we're not going to be part of their HOA. We're not going to be, you know, uh, have the rights to utilize their their
amenities, but it's a great location. It's a great area and we think it's going to be very successful. And so with that, I'll answer any further questions you have, sir. >> Any questions from the uh, commission? >> Yeah.
Okay. My question is, you keep saying 48 homes. You've got eight homes, 20 ft wide. That's 160 feet for eight homes. And you
consider that low density? >> Yeah. >> The city. >> Yeah. We we actually we would be allowed to go eight units an acre based on the the future land use. We've capped it at seven units an acre. The term like >> make the ordinance. We made that. That's our ordinance, not his.
>> No. And the acronym low density, that's a city term, not our term. Okay. Taking away. say the green belt area minus
your two spots per house. 96 cars basically. Um you don't think there's going to be a problem there? >> No sir. >> Okay. No questions.
>> Any other questions? Obviously 27's going to be six lane one of these days. >> Uh >> how much spa setbacks do you have off the rightway on that? >> We're required to have a 50ft setback
from the the right of way. >> 50 ft from curb >> from the right of way. >> From the rightway. >> That's that's part of the the overall approvals that we have. How far would that put those homes from the pavement?
>> Oh, probably about 100 feet at least. You know, we plan on putting a a burm up along there to to screen it out. And you know, when you're talking about the the widening, it's a pretty wide median that they have, that grass median. And my
guess is the DOT will be encroaching into the middle. >> That's a safety aspect, too, though, >> right? Instead of going out. Well, I know but you know my experience. >> Any other questions? Um
I have a question. The uh now there was question about the maintaining of the pond. You said you know you're going to take care of the grass but are you maintaining the pond or are they? Well, right now they are and they have been with part of the discussions that we
have with the board when we're talking about participating in maintenance of those roads will include that. you will >> well it'll it'll include the discussions will include the maintenance of the pond
but we don't we haven't gotten that far with the the board yet on you know because there's there's drainage pipes that are going from that pond to another pond to another pond to the wetlands so it's it's an interconnected system. >> Okay. Any others?
>> Yes. Chairman, you mentioned you mentioned that you were going to barricade, so to speak, between you and the Highland Lakes community. Is that a fence burm? >> Well, the burm is already there, and that burm is is tall. Okay. I I wish I
would have stopped there when I went to the community meeting and measured it, but it's, you know, 8 10 foot tall. It's it's it's pretty high. Um, so what we were asked to look at was the gaps at the ends to see if we can put fencing up
for that just to keep pedestrians from coming back and forth. >> Security issue. >> Yeah. Yeah, we understand that. You know, we may try to see if we can extend the burm out further. You know, we haven't studied that, but we are
committed to to securing the two the two property boundaries. Good idea. >> Mhm. >> Thank you. Any others? >> All right. Thank you. Close to the public and um
>> commission will discuss it. Um I do have a couple questions for Dan. Um one would be the maintenance of the retention pond. Can we require that?
>> It might be a legal question. I don't know. It might be a legal question. I can tell you that when if this whole thing goes all the way through the system and gets approved, they will have to go back to the original calculations for when Royal Highlands PUB came in,
pull those out, look at those. In addition, between 94, 95, 97, that time period plus the changes in 2005, there have probably been, and I'm not an expert on that part, but there have probably been changes in the code. I
know there have been changes to St. John's River Water Management District, FD upgrades in the legal requirements. Anything they do will have to be the current standards, not the 20-year-old standards. I mean, they'll they'll have to look at the old design, but it will
have to be brought up. There are specific standards such as 24-hour, 48 hour, 72-hour storm events they're called. And um the modeling that that is done will prove or disprove that a pond
can take and I'm not an engineer, Bill, so forgive me, you know, you guys, but um that will prove or disprove that the pond can take the design runoff. Okay. So and and that happens on every
development in the city and has been successful on on those u but it is a state statute. It's not just a local city law. It's a state law that they have to meet um in terms of runoff. As to who maintains it
comes down to ownership and uh if they are using it they'll have to contribute in some way I'm sure. >> Okay. Um, I have one other question and it's another maybe illegal one. Um, all their
studies were done 20 years ago, 25 years ago, whatever it was. Um, can we require a traffic study to be done because of all the growth on the highway? >> They're required to they are required to go by the Metropolitan Planning Organization
methodologies. Every new development has to pull those out. Uh the NPO is the traffic um planning organization for Lake and Sumpre County called Lake Lake Sumpre NPO. >> Uh they have a set of methodologies that's online at their website.
>> They have to pull those down and go by those requirements and there are already tier one, tier 2, tier three if it's approved 20 years ago. You you have I think we let a traffic study go maybe >> I forget if it's a year or 18 months before you have to redo it. Um, and that
is because different things happen and the traffic can change. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Any other questions? >> You got one? Okay. >> I love that smile. Go ahead. >> Oh, no. I didn't want to make you upset. >> No, no, no. I don't get upset.
>> Okay. Y'all ready, Dan? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So, first of all, um I first want to want to just make mention that um I'm an army brat. Most of my life, my family was on the road.
We lived different places. My father proudly served this country and nine times out of 10, my family rented. That was just the nature of the beast. So, I feel like there's some misconr um notions about people who rent. And
there's a number of different reasons why people rent. And properly and carefully managed communities that are rental communities, if managed well, >> will get out any dissience that people don't want living there. And most people
who want to live that kind of life, they don't look for a property managed community because you're going to pay for property management. You're you're going to pay to be watched. And so we we need to understand that. And so I feel
like although someone has to rent, they cannot afford to buy a home, especially in today's climate, um it doesn't make them any less or lesser of a a community, a citizen um in this community. And I know we we've gotten uh
we have this way of living that we think that there's one house on one piece of property and that's how everybody should live in a particular area. The one thing that I like about Leburg's city growth plan is that we and this happened as a
city. So when I say we, I don't just mean this commission. I mean, this was done with the city and its residents that we said we understand that people are going to live in what we feel like is less traditional housing and we all agree that everybody has a right to live
the way they want to live. Some people want to live in an apartment, some people want to live in a condo and some people want a house with a whole bunch of land and everybody has that right to live there. And so we um part of I
believe as sitting on this commission, our goal is to make sure that when someone comes with what we feel that is less traditional that we as a commission, we can get in and say, "Okay, if you want to be in this community with the people that already
exist there, how can we plan this to be as harmonious as possible because they're they need to live there and they're going to live a little differently. than what we're accustomed to. And it doesn't make them any less,
excuse me if I get choked up cuz it really hurt my feelings. It doesn't make them any less of a citizen. Their contribution isn't less because they can't afford a home. >> Yes, ma'am. And so what I believe that we should do as a community is that we
need to make sure that these developments are planned accordingly and that they will still harmonize with what we what we got going on. So that's the first thing I wanted to say. Traffic that that's a that's that's um and
Jennifer if I'm if I ever you know straighten me we don't control it. we can't control it because that is a that's county and state and like you you just mentioned that these traffic studies are done almost bianually so they're going to
have to make considerations for the traffic regardless that's going to have to happen um I was trying to make sense of the traffic study and so you know of course I know Google etc they can all be wrong but I was kind of rough putting
the numbers in and So I'm trying to understand that yes, this piece of property um it can be considered for commercial uh commercial development. And so I kind of put in um when I was entering the
numbers looking for statistics, the uh turnover for a commercial development of that size can vary whether it's a office space or um a restaurant. And so, but roughly I got and this is per 25 parking
spots which a commercial development of that side would need um almost 100 spots. They would see five to 10 trips. This is per 25. So, you do the math on that. So, with you doing it and anybody
can say what they want to say, facts are facts. Period. I looked it up. I'm not going to sit here. We're not going to do hearsay. I looked it up and so that's a rough guesstimate of what's going on. So that's why I wanted to know how many homes, how many cars. We got to be fair
to what's really going on. >> Um, so there's going to be a significant amount of trips plus you don't necessarily control, like you said, you don't know what's going to go in that. >> It's it's based on use >> and if if so, yes. So if >> abuses can change that
>> if they decide to put a 7-Eleven in there, we can't control who has the 7-Eleven. So anybody who wants to go in there can go in and out the parking lot and then they are not subject to a harmonious balance. They can just put the building
up there and whoever's in the back is just in the back. So I I you know, you haven't heard a lot of it tonight. I applaud you on the brim and uh wanting to barricade yourself, your good faith
efforts, how short or tall they may be. Um so that was another point. Dan, I also wanted to say, is there a way that we can contact the city public works and maybe the commissioner who's responsible
for this area? Maybe they should be talking to the commissioner who's responsible to do some kind of workshop or something so they can address as a community the water issue down there. Although we know if this comes in there, they're definitely going to have to >> Well,
I would hate to be the public works director tomorrow morning because he's going to hear from me. He's going to hear from Tim. >> Yeah. And I think they should also get what they're >> Who who is the commissioner for down there? >> Um well, >> that's not a commissioner. It it's really commissioner because
>> that development is in Lake County but it gets Leburg water and waste water. >> What concerns what we were concerned about is with these numerous comments about the water which we can't do anything about tonight but certainly I promise tomorrow morning I'll be over at Cliff's office um and making sure that
he's aware of. Um and one one one person brought up that she got transferred to someone she thought was the director. It might have been him. I don't know. But I want to go in with a fresh tomorrow morning and say, "Look, you need to watch the meeting, you know, issues of people."
>> This is being videoed. So >> So >> we'll make sure they watch it. >> Yeah, we we will we want to do that. >> I can attest. I get no special privileges. I've myself had you can vouch to it had public works issues >> and I had this issue for some years and
I it just got handled. So patience is a virtue and it's government. That's just not cuz they want bad. It's just that's how we made it. But I think I think that was that I just wanted you you know me make it make sense and make it make sense to the people.
>> May real quickly the city cannot say >> that a development has to be 55 or age restricted. We can't say that they can be rentals or they have to be rentals. We we legally we can't touch that. >> Right. But so I understand their
concerns and I also understand what you're saying is that you know not everyone who rents is a >> is is obviously not >> and we've all rented. >> That was so um but anyway we will be contacting
Cliff tomorrow morning. >> Thank you. >> I yeah I appreciate the time but yeah my comments are based off of what I I heard. So thank you. Thank you. Anything else? >> Can I say one thing? >> No, ma'am. Closed to Sorry.
>> Um, >> we're closing in and um any other discussion? We'll uh close for a vote. Um on public hearing case number SS SCP 25640, Royal Highland Smallcale Comprehensive
Plan Amendment. Um is there a motion? >> Yes, sir. Mr. Chair. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve. >> Okay. Is there a second? [Music]
>> Is there a second? >> Second. [Music] >> Can I make a motion? >> Yes, you may. >> I'd like to make a motion to reject the uh SP
got my paper on top of it. SCP 25640. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> I got to do something. Don't we got to do something? >> Well, we just >> You can make a motion with recommendations as well. So if there's
something about the project that you would like to see or something that you don't necessarily like we all want to do, >> you can make a recommendation. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I recommend that the houses uh or that property, that development
conform with the neighboring development as such on King Henry Avenue. >> So you're recommending approval. However, you want it to be single family and consistent with the surrounding area. >> Consistent with the surrounding areas.
Yes. >> I'm not sure how that's going to be measured. I mean, >> it's not really the item that is being requested. It's really a denial. [Music] >> Say that again. I'm sorry. >> It's It's not the request that's being
proposed by the applicant. So, I would say that would be a request for denial, >> right? Uh, is there a second to that? [Music] >> I can't vote or I can't >> start with the first motion. >> Second.
>> It's died for the lack of a second. >> Mr. Chair, once again, I would like to make a motion to approve public hearing case number SP25-640. >> I'll second that motion. >> Any discussion on the on the motion?
>> Okay, this is a first for me, guys. Roll call. >> Commissioner Sanders, >> yes. >> Commissioner Box, >> yes. >> Chairman Senate, >> yes. Commissioner Carter, >> what was the vote? >> I haven't I haven't opened my mouth.
>> Okay. I thought you nodded. >> I didn't say anything. I just don't want to be here. No. >> Commissioner Catherine. >> No. >> Commissioner, >> no.
or dead cuz there's six of us again. >> It's fine. We can we can bring that forward. You're a recommendating body >> and so it'll still go before the commission. [Music] >> So the votes 3 to three. Um it's going
to the commission. So please remember those dates. Um I'll say them again. What was it? September 8th and October. We also need a motion for the second item. >> Oh, shoot. I'm sorry. >> And we need to do the minutes.
>> Getting anxious here. >> Okay, I got to find that one cuz I didn't get a agenda on paper. >> Okay. On public hearing case number SPUD2642, Royal Highlands small small planned unit development.
Um, is there a motion? Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve. >> I'll second that motion. >> Any discussion? Roll call. >> Commissioner Carter. >> Nope. >> Commissioner Cap? >> No. >> Commissioner,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Sanders, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sime, >> no. >> Yes. >> Okay. So where I was before um September 8th and October >> 13th
>> 13th it's a 5:30 here. So you know make sure you come. They'll it'll be brought up and maybe some discussion the first one second meeting is when they vote. So make sure you're there for that one. Um, on a side note, um, kind of a political
side note, there's some political folks out there that are trying to do away with HOAs. I just saw that on the news yesterday. So, you want to keep an eye on that because if you got a nice community, it's it's probably because you got an HOA.
>> You know, some people don't like them because they're not used to being told what to do and all that, >> but that's what keeps quality. M >> M Mr. Chairman, is that going through the legislature? Is that what you're talking about? >> Yeah. >> Okay. That I can't remember who it was. Somebody in Miami brought it up. One of
the one of the legislators down in Miami brought it up. Just keep an eye open. I just want to >> I don't have an HOA mind, but >> yeah, >> I got >> Thank you very much. I appreciate your patience. >> We still got We still got one more then
we >> Right. Right. I'll just let him get out. Uh, sure. Yeah, it doesn't matter where [Music] [Music] >> I addressed that in my remarks, but we
just want to clarify that renters per [Music] I >> don't know what the email address but you probably don't Sorry about your name.
>> I wouldn't even go to try. [Music] [Music] >> Oh yeah, I understand. >> I understand. There's always >> I appreciate y'all coming. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Hope I can answer. >> There is five on that one. If someone doesn't show up, it could happen. >> So, what they do is tie here. It gets denied. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't matter what happens here. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't matter what happens here.
It's that second meeting. >> Yeah. And if it's a two two, it's died. >> It doesn't matter. >> But the second meeting first one is all they're going to do is basically present it. That'll be it. I mean, there won't even be any such discussion.
>> Second one be the big one. >> It's the clay in your >> I appreciate your patience. Thank you, >> Tim. I want to go home. >> Yeah, you got to have a majority of them.
>> Commission is tied. >> So, it's going to go to the to the commission. They'll say it was 33, but it'll be basically >> But they got to be careful because you can't just deny somebody It's too many questions.
>> But what they don't want now, what they don't want is commercial stuff coming in. >> That's what I don't think y'all people understand about. >> Yeah. No, that was good. >> That was good. >> Yeah, you were. You did well. >> I know.
>> 20 home. Come on. >> All right. Let's Let's finish this up. Yeah. >> This will go quick. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. [Applause] >> Oh, we still got stuff in there.
>> We got a third one. >> Someone didn't Someone didn't read their packet. >> I did, but I just said that. >> Okay. >> You got teeyed over that. >> Oh, yeah. Plus, >> hang on. I'm going to get down to that.
>> I got to get there anyway. >> Yeah. >> So, you want to approve this one? >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay, guys. Uh, new business number three, public hearing case number RZ25638, uh, 937 East Main Malone,
uh, resoning. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The background of this project is solely a straight resoning on a site consisting of 0.4 plus or minus developed acres. Properties generally located on the south side of East Main Street, west of
East Cloud Street, I believe. The request is simply to clean up the zoning to be consistent with the zoning in the area. Um again, point4 acres. the zoning application for the project would take the current zoning which is R2 and turn that into C3 which is essentially
surrounded by and you'll see that in a moment. Uh Deputy Director Candy Harper will present the maps and photo exhibits at this time. >> Thank you Mr. Miller. On the screen before you is the extended locator showing the site uh relative to
the streets. Uh this is actually required by the legislature. We have to show cross streets where you can find this. Uh so this aerial is a little bit closer closer detail of the site. Um the zoning
is currently R2 surrounded by commercial. The proposed zoning is commercial. The future land use is currently commercial. Surrounding land uses are government offices, uh, vacant commercial,
commercial to the east, residential to the south, and west. There are developments around this site, um, to the north, east, and south.
Uh, there are no flood zones or wetlands on the site, so that's good news. This is in the greater Leburg community redevelopment area and it is in commission district 1. The picture at the top is a closeup of
the sign from East Main Street. The picture on the bottom is looking north across East Main Street from the subject property. The picture on the top is looking east along East Main Street from the subject property. And the picture on the bottom is looking south onto the subject
property from East Main Street. property on the top is looking west along East Main Street from the subject property. I believe that's all I have, Mr. Miller. >> Well, thank you, Mrs. Harper. >> Um, with that, we moved to the departmental review summary. Project was sent out to city, county, uh, city of
Leburg departments, Lake County departments, and local school board. There were no responses from the city departments, no substantive comments. In other words, school board uh, because it's single family house, it is not subject to school concurrency review.
It's an existing house. Um, Lake County Public Works had no comments. Um, the project was legally advertised, posted, and letters were sent out. Um, per Florida statute and city of Leburg requirements. Uh, no comments were received. This project, Mr. Chairman,
will simply clean up the zoning map as staff considers the current zoning to be a what we call a spot zoning. And if you look at your future, excuse me, at your zoning map, you'll you'll understand immediately when you see the picture,
it's simply surrounded. You've got a residential zoning surrounded by commercial. That's a spot zoning. I don't know where it came from. We're trying to correct that. Um, under case number RZ2638, for the recommendations, planning zoning department's recommending approval of
the request for the following reasons. One, the proposed request for the C3 highway commercial zoning is compatible with the current surrounding zoning districts of Leburg, SPUD, C3, and R3. Two, the current future land use designation of general commercial is compatible with the existing surrounding future land use designations of
industrial, general commercial, and highdensity residential. Three, the proposed request will allow for a spot zoning correction for the property that is consistent with the ongoing development patterns within the city of Leburg. for the proposed request does not appear to create a detriment to surrounding properties based on the
proximity to Main Street and other properties. The action requested is vote to approve the proposed reszoning from City of Leburg R2 medium density residential to city of Leburg C3 highway commercial and forward to to allow for the correction of a spot zoning and
forward this recommendation to the city commission for their consideration. Uh Mr. Chairman, Mr. Al Malone, the homeowner is here. if you have any questions. Uh, other than that, it's pretty straightforward. >> Uh, the only question I have is, um, what about the the the comp plan?
>> The comp plan under there is general commercial right now. Okay. >> So, that's why I missed that. I don't know how it got to be >> R2, but it must have happened years ago. I I do not know. >> Okay. Any other questions of uh staff? >> Is what's going on that piece of
property? Uh we it was a house a couple of houses have been built in that area. Um C3 Highway commercial does allow single family residential houses in it and somehow this property got to be an
R2 zoning. I don't know how because this must have been there for many years. So um when we saw it and we talked to Mr. Malone, we said, "Can we just uh reszone it? Are you okay with reszoning?" He said, "Sure." um as the owner because what we want to avoid is these spot
zonings where you have residential surrounded by commercial and industrial and those kind of things. >> Staff initiated it. >> It's more or less staff initiated and I I know Mr. Malone so he would you know happy to come along and >> so it's is it going to remain a residence or is it >> it will remain a residence for as long
as as Mr. Malone wants it to remain a residence then it could become um it could remain a residence if he sells it. It could become an office. It could become retail. it could become a number of things. So, it really just opens up u instead of just being a residence, >> right?
>> And there's nextdoor residents in that area that are zone C3, >> right? >> So, it doesn't From a zoning standpoint, this is the kind of thing that grabs a planner's eye and they can't get their >> Okay. >> They get the jazzy hands. Yeah. >> Any other questions for staff?
>> Uh, you smile. Do you have one? Um, is there anything you want to add or >> they cover >> for nine years? Never had any complaints. >> Okay. >> So, I just want to be in sync with
everything else. >> If if you're going to if you say too much, we need to get you up to the mic. >> You're fine. >> Okay. I'm just trying to make it official. Okay. Uh, we'll close to the public and discussion and render a decision.
[Applause] >> Mr. Chairman, if you would like, I could make a motion on this. >> Oh, that would be lovely. >> Okay. On I got to read it. RZ25638. I recommend approval.
>> I second. >> Any discussion on the motion? >> Roll call. Commissioner Sime. >> Yes. >> Chairman Senate. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sanders. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Carter. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bowers.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Kath. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for bringing a simple thing to us. >> And now I need >> opening door pretty quick. >> I need to back up. I guess you know laying around for the last month and a
half. I uh wasn't warmed up yet. So, we need to approve the minutes. >> Everybody's had an opportunity to read the minutes. Uh, is there any additions, corrections, or deletions? If not, I'll accept the motion to approve. >> I made a motion to approve. >> Any Is there a second?
>> I'll third it. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> Thank you. And I apologize for that. >> No worries. I got >> I'll try not to. Don't ever let it happen again, >> Mr. Mr. Chairman. Um,
Steuart, Mr. Ted, and I believe it was John. Um, terms are coming to an end September 30th. If you want to be with us, please turn in your applications. Uh, we know you guys have some tough
decisions to make, but I do want to state that this has been an excellent commission to be around and to be with and to work with as a planner. >> You said that to me back in the I say it all the time. >> 25 30 years ago when I was on here, >> but I appreciate everybody $20 for me
instead of 25. >> I'll do my best, >> but um but you know, we we'd love to keep everybody around. That's not I have no input on the decision. We have put your names up there and you show up for the meeting. So, if you would like to, I'd appreciate a call. I do have Z's
application. >> I thought I had another year, but you you're wrong. >> I'm either you or John. We'll check in. >> We'll double check >> call tomorrow and find out. >> So maybe it was >> maybe it was >> committee committee. >> Got it.
>> I had a run of me. >> You coming back? >> You coming back? >> Yes sir. >> Come on back. >> Is this Commissioner Kaplan's last night? >> Uh no sir. Next month. >> Okay. So >> next month it's August. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We got one more. >> I was going to give you a standing
ovation. Maybe a hood. >> Well, you can do it anyway. >> Thank you. >> Well, next one. Give Give a big hug. >> Give me something to look forward to. >> All right. Well, I appreciate your patience and your uh your help. Um >> want to go away for you.
>> This meeting's adjourned. >> Thanks everybody. >> Please keep in mind about that HOA thing I said. That's a big big deal to me. I mean, I heard that my jaw hit the floor.