It is 2026. Please ride the Dear Lord, we ask you to bless this meeting today as we undertake business. Amen.
I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. First piece of business.
>> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to nominate Timothy as chairman of the planning and zoning commission. And I'd also like to continue with Nathan as vice chair. >> We have a second on each one of those.
I'm sorry. Okay. Uh second on both of them. Okay. We'll vote on chairman first. All in favor say I. >> I. divine. >> Um, and now for Vice Chair Nathan. All in
favor say I. >> I. >> I. All >> oppose. Get back. Okay. Um, if anybody wants to speak tonight or this afternoon, uh, please stand to be sworn in. You have to be sworn in to
speak, please. >> Do you swear affirm the testimony you ought to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing. >> Thank you. do the minutes. >> Also, everybody's going to have an
opportunity to speak after the u to speak after the applicant. Um I do ask you, you'll have three minutes a piece. I do ask you try not to be repetitive. I know everybody's probably got the same thing to say, but just to make it, you know, smoother meeting and
not last four or five hours. You got something new, I'll listen to you all night. Just, you know, let's try not to be repetitive. That's all right. Uh, go ahead. >> Do you want to do the minutes? >> Oh,
well, I was going to have to do the explanation. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd >> like to welcome everyone to the January 22, 2026 city of Leburg Planning Commission meeting. My name is Dan Miller, planning director for the city
of Leburg. Staff present today includes executive assistant Sabrina Mitchell to my right, to my left, excuse me, and senior planners Diane Yuckle and Max Van Allen along with planners Melissa Meadow de los Santos and Mel Ortiz. City
Attorney Jennifer Cotch is also present seated to my right. Today's agenda and the speaker's registry is available on the table by the exit door. For everyone wishing to speak on a case, we do ask you to please sign a speaker's registry uh and turn it into Sabrina and we thank
those of you who have already done that. Under the rules of participation, the meeting is conducted under the following process. The car the chairman will announce each case and staff will then present a list of exhibits for the record on the screens here that will
include maps, photos, and text. The staff will then provide the case background and some descriptive information of the case and read a recommendation into the record. The applicant then will then be given the opportunity to speak on the case and members of the public will also have an
opportunity to comment. The applicant will then be given an opportunity to respond to those comments. Next, the chairman will close the case to the public. The commission will discuss the case and then the commission will then
take a vote on the case and call for the next item on the agenda. The planning commission is is a commission that consists of local citizens who are appointed by the city commission. They have two primary functions. Number one
is to make final decisions on cases such as variances and conditional uses. The second is to make recommendations for issues to be heard by the city commission. The city staff provides recommendations to the planning commission based on the city's
comprehensive plan, the city's land development regulations, and state of Florida statutes. Today, there are four cases on the agenda. Um, they will be spoken of. They're each comprehensive plan and zoning. So, they'll be spoken of together. In other words, the first
case will be comp plan and zoning and the next case will be comp plan and zoning so that it will make more sense as we talk about it. All cases on today's agenda are going to receive recommendations by the planning commission. Those recommendations will
be forwarded to the city commission for their final decision. So there are no final decisions being made here today in all cases are recommendations to the city commission. Want to note that there are tentative dates uh for these cases to be heard by the city commission. The
first reading for all of these cases is currently scheduled for February 23 and the second case uh excuse me, the second reading would be March 23. Wanted to note that these dates are subject to be changed. So we do ask that you check
with us as we try to get them on the agendas as quickly as possible. But they are subject to be changed. So, please call us or stop by the office if you're concerned about the meeting dates. And then finally, on behalf of the city of Leburg planning and zoning staff and the city of Leburg City Comm Planning
Commission, I'd like to thank you each for participating in today's public hearing process. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. Um, also want to remind everybody that the second reading is when they vote on it. So, if you're if there's a concern, that's the one you
really need to be at. Um, I had something else I want to say. Oh, well. Anyway, so, um, has everybody had a chance to read the minutes? >> Yes, sir. >> Are there any additions, corrections, or
deletions? If not, I'll accept the motion to approve. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve the December 18th, 2020 five minutes. >> Thank you. >> Second. I second motion. >> You're my second man.
>> No discussion. All in favor say I. >> I. >> All oppose. >> Thank you. Thank you guys. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Um, what I'm going to do is I'm going to introduce like he was saying, we have two cases for each uh property,
so to speak. And I'm going to introduce both of them now. And we're going to discuss everything because it's repetitive. If we did one each one individually, we'd be saying the same thing twice. So, I'll introduce both cases and then we'll discuss all the material at one time and then we'll vote
on it separately though, you know, for the zoning and the comp plan. >> Um, under new business public hearing case number LSCP 25774 Lake Bright Brighthurst Large Scale
Comprehensive Plan Amendment. >> Thank you, Mr. chairman. >> Oh, let me go ahead and introduce the other thing. I just got through talking about it. And then number two is public hearing case number PUB25775 Lake Bright Brighthurst
uh plan unit development. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under the background, this project consists of an annexation large scale comp plan and reszoning. The site consists of approximately 202 plus or minus acres, generally located on the east side of County Road 33 and south of Lake Bright
Street and west of County Road 33 and south of Desert Lane. The request is for approval of a future development consisting of 502 single family dwelling units. Under this request, the future land use application for this project is requesting a change to go from Lake
County Rural to City of Leburg estate residential. Then the zoning application for this project is requesting a change from Lake County agriculture to planned unit development. So these are 502
50 and 60 foot lots, 50x 120, 60x1 120. Senior planner Max Van Allen will present the maps and photo exhibits including the aerial zoning future land use surrounding land use wetlands flood zone maps commission and CR maps.
>> Thank you Mr. Miller. The first image is the extended aerial showing the subject property south of Desert Lane and Lake Bright Street and north of Austin Merritt Bridges Road. The aerial shows the subject property
east and west of County Road 33 and south of Lake Bright Street and Desert Lane. The surrounding city future land use is neighborhood mixed use and estate residential to the north.
The proposed future land use is estate density residential. The current Lake County future land use is rural and is surrounded by rural and conservation. The surrounding city zoning to the north
is PUD planned unit development. The proposed zoning is PUD planned unit development. The Lake County zoning of the subject property is A agriculture and is surrounded by A agriculture. AR
agricultural residential RA ranchet. Surrounding land uses include residential to the north and south, government to the east, pastor improved to the east and south, non-aggricultural acreage to the west and east.
Nearby city developments include banning ranch and preservation place to the north. There is flood zone X and AE present on the subject properties. There are wetlands on the western portion of the subject property.
The subject property is located south of commission district 4. Signs were posted on January 9th, 20 26. Sign one is the closeup of the sign on the property from County Road 33 is the
top image. The bottom image is looking north along CR33. The top image is looking east into the subject property from CR33. The bottom image is looking south along CR33.
The top image is looking west across CR33. The bottom image is sign two. Closeup of the sign on property from CR33. The top image is looking north along CR33. The bottom image is looking east
into the property across CR33. The top image is looking south along CR33. The bottom image is looking west into the subject property from County Road 33. The top image is going to be a closeup of the sign on property from
Lake Bright Street. The bottom image is looking north across Lake Bright Street. The top image is looking east across Lake Bright Street. The bottom image is looking south into the subject property from Lake Bright Street. And finally, looking west across Lake Bright Street.
That's all I have, Mr. Miller. >> Thank you, Miss Van Allen. With that, we move to the departmental review summary. The project was sent out to all city departments plus Lake County government and Lake County school board for their comments under the city department responses. There were no substantiative
comments returned from the city departments. The property is outside the city of Leburg electric service area. Water department, wastewater, and natural gas all indicated the ability to service the proposed project. Um that means at this time, okay, if there was
some capacity down the road and this development were not built, those things could But I want to indicate that um the applicant has been in contact with the Lake County School Board as required. School board did note an adequate public facilities determination was issued for
the project and that the project is subject to school concurrency review. Now um by way of explanation, the school concurrency review reserves capacity in the schools for the development. If at the time of development
an adequate school capacity is not available then the project is subject to a mitigation agreement and often they'll go ahead and do a mitigation agreement on these. We have done those in the past um regularly the the a that this type of mitigation agreement is in the form of a
cash payment to the school system which allows the school system to provide the adequate student stations in the school system. So, we just want everyone to know that if there is capacity, they're they're allowed to use it. If there's not, they have to create it. Um, Lake
County Public Works had numerous comments on the project. Overall, their project, their comments were the requirement for turn lanes on County Road 33 at the development's proposed access points. That additional rightway would be required for County Road 33. A
trail along the development road frontage for County Road 33 would need to be accommodated. That's the uh West Lake Trail, I believe. And of course, uh traffic impact analysis which is underway. Um, specifically for County
Road 33, the county's comments were that access management requirements must be met. Now, they're talking about the access points on County Road 33 for that left and right turn lanes on County Road 33 at the proposed entrances. Um, yes,
they did note the to accommodate the area for West Lake Trail and then any off-site road improvements, road drainage, and future widening of County Road 33 could be required depending on again if the if the project is eventually approved and moves forward
for Lake Thomas Road, any roads, they noted that if any roads in that area were to be vacated, they must maintain accessibility and provide new rightway for any impact properties. And they noted, Lake County noted the concept plan would need to be revised to show
access to a parcel with alt key 1701414. That access would have to be maintained and a local paved road would have to be provided. Um it also staff would like to note at this time, Mr. Chairman, there is a the developer has a roadway
agreement with Lake County to improve the intersection of County Road 47, excuse me, County Road 470, County Road 48, and County Road 33 in Okah. There is a copy of this agreement in your packet. It was signed by the county and the
developer, I believe, was September 9th of last year. It includes it describes improvements including widening of the that intersection with turn lanes. The applicant can provide more specifics on it. It is an agreement
between the county and the applicant. It's approximately $2 million project. Um, it should be noted here that if this project is eventually approved at the city commission level, both the staff's
recommendation and the PUD that is before you this evening do require the developer to initiate, construct, and complete the work on that intersection um with uh quickly. I don't want to put
dates on it, but that it requires them to do this immediately or the property zoning would revert to one acre per unit. Okay? So, if if the city
commission does eventually approve this, then the developer would have to get on working on that intersection right away. Um, otherwise, there isn't a reversion. And then the other reversion for the 48 months is still in there as well. Under public responses, per the Florida statutes and city of Leborough code
requirements, the project was legally advertised, posted, letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners within 200 feet as required. The city did receive numerous written responses to this request. I would like to summarize though. I can't put them all
in here, but there just as a summary. Um there is it would interrupt the wildlife peace and tranquility that the area offers. They're requesting leaving the area intact for agricultural uses. There was a comment when will enough be enough? Uh concerns about neighboring
cattle. Uh requests for larger buffer and a and a solid wall. Um comments about too many houses and small lots in the area. Uh, one person did request that the conditions be changed to one acre per home site, I believe, on this
one. And again, this is just a summary, but they're significant, and I know that there are folks here who would like to speak on that. Um, under the terms of the SPUD, the PUD agreement, excuse me. The proposal consists of a total of 502 single family residential units on the
28 plus or minus acres. Works out to about 2.4 four units per acre gross, which is the the way the city of Leburg uses the density numbers. No other uses are permitted. There will be no duplexes, no town homes, no apartments. Be 299 50 foot lots, 203 60 ft lots. So
that's where you get your 502 total from project is designed right now to be done if approved in four separate phases. It includes design and zoning standards with architectural requirements. Minimum 35% of the property is in open space.
Dark sky lighting and again the dark sky lighting is directing the lighting on so it remains on the property. Maximum building height of two floors. There are gutters required for any sideyard lots that are less than uh 10 feet, excuse
me, less than five feet. For the sideyard, a code compliant landscaping plan is required. There's a requirement for split rail fencing along County Road 33 at a height of minimum height of four feet. Um, bea or Bermuda grass are permitted. St. Augustine is not to
reduce water consumption. There's a 25- foot wide buffer tract with plantings required in the PUD and this is required along all the property boundaries which are not ex adjacent to an existing wetland or preserved area.
Um on site access that is shown on the site plan. There are three primary access points. All of those must be boulevard style access points which means wider lanes with birectional turning options and landscape area between the lanes. A
minimum 8 foot wide landscape. Uh again, the PUD requires the developer to provide any and all expansions and or upgrades to the access points and roadways as needed by either FDOT or Lake County. Um with that, Mr. Chairman,
let's see. Staff is recommending approval. Let me I may read the recommendations here for this project for
Lake Bright Brighthurst project case number LSP25-774 planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons. One, this project meets the requirements of chapter 163 3184 Florida statutes for large-scale
compl comprehensive plan amendments. Two, the proposed request is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County rural conservation and city neighborhood mixeduse. Three, the proposed request as conditioned is compatible with the proposed zoning of PUB. and four. The
proposed future land use designation for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan. Future land use element goal one objective 1.6. The action requested is to approve the large scale comp plan amendment from Lake County Rural to city estate residential and forward the recommendation to the
city commission for their consideration. The second uh recommendation is for the reasonzoning Lake Bright Brighthurst County Road 33 project PUD25-775. Planning and zoning department is
recommending approval of the request for the following reasons. One, the proposed request for a plan unit development zoning is compatible as conditioned with the current surrounding zoning districts including Lake County agriculture, agricultural residential, RA, which is
ranchet and city PUD planned unit development. Two, the proposed zoning as conditioned is compatible with the proposed future land use designation of amendment to city estate residential and the current surrounding future land use designations. Three, the site is
compatible with the existing city of Leburg approved developments along County Road 33. Four, as conditioned in the PUD document, the proposed request does not appear to create a detriment to the surrounding properties. And five, the applicant shall be responsible for
timely fulfillment and completion of all improvements based on the contract with Lake County, Florida dated September 9, 2025 for the intersection of County Road 33, County Route 48, County Route 470. So the action requested is vote to approve the proposed reszoning from Lake
County a to agriculture to city pud plan unit development and forward this application forward this recommendation to the city commission for their consideration. And that's all I have at this time. Mr.
Chairman, I believe several members, Mr. Tony Iorio and Ben Snyder um are here as well as Mr. Andrew Macau. Okay. I've got a couple questions for you. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, first is,
if I may ask, if I'm allowed to ask, why it came back to us again? >> Yes, sir. Um, I, if I recall correctly, it was 2024. Um, the the project came in, it had approximately a few more units, about 15
or 20 more units in it. uh the planning commission turned it down and the city commission decided not to annex. Okay. Um and the issues generally traffic and density and so forth. However, under the law, there are two ways for a project to
come back. Number one is to wait one year and that one year did pass. The other is to do a substantial change to the site plan and you don't have to wait a year. So, the applicant chose to wait the one year. So, it's been more than a year since it was uh disapproved by city
commission and that is the reason they >> I was assuming that but I just want to make sure. >> Um, another question is on the site plan there's a red line going through both sides of the highway. What's that red
line or should I ask the applicant that? >> I can wait. I'm patient. Um, >> Mr. Chair, if I may, that red line is the phase line between the different phases at the development. >> Oh, >> so it's splitting one, two, three, and
four. >> Gotcha. Yes, sir. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Oh, yeah. I see the labeling. >> Cool. Uh, please, let's keep the noise down, please. Thank you. Um, any other questions of the staff? Okay, the applicant may come forward.
Please state your name and your address, please. >> Andrew Macau with GI Consultants, 618 East South Street, Orlando, Florida. Here on behalf of Hanover Land Company. Uh, thank you all for your uh, attention
to this tonight and congratulations on your recent re-election. Um, >> yeah, we'll we'll see about that. The night's not over yet. So Dan did a a very thorough job. If you could jump to our PowerPoint, please. Uh there are some things that I would like to
discuss. So I won't go through all of the finer details of the property conditions, but I will start with the the site plan. So for the benefit of those who were not here over a year ago when you saw this this plan last time, I do want to specifically call out some things that
have changed. Um we heard um from those meetings both here and in the city uh commission hearings um that there were concerns about traffic, there were concerns about density, and there were concerns about um the amenities in the
project. And so I think we have um hopefully addressed those three areas to your satisfaction. But um for the benefit of those who were not here last time, I will just kind of briefly go through the site plan for everyone. If
uh nope, that's not the right one, which is the uh pointer. Oh, I was trying to point Danny go there and be. >> Yeah, thank you. So, as you note, one of the features of the project is that it
is um on both sides of County Road 33. And what we have done um is we have made sure that both sides of the the properties have um adequate access to uh amenities. And so on both sides of the project, you will see that there are
amenities that will be accessible to residents of either side. So there's not um you know, one side is not excluded from the other side accessing the the various amenities. Um I do say it's 508 units. That's actually a typo. It's 502
as Dan mentioned. Um and that does represent a reduction in the overall density, but it also represents a significant shift in the balance of the unit types. So the um both the 50-ft lots have been significantly reduced
from the previous version and the 60-oot lots have been significantly increased from the previous version. And you'll see that if you compare to the the the version um from over a year ago, you'll see that more of the adjacent areas are
buffered by the larger 60-foot lots in uh any of those areas where we are contiguous with or adjacent to um another property. Um this is the landfill property here that I believe was mentioned that we had to maintain a uh a paved access to and that paved
access is is right here. So, the main entrances are here. The the main entrance to the um units on the west side uh is here with a secondary entrance down here. And then the uh the
entrance is directly across County Road 33 for these units here. And as you noted, there is a phase uh line split here and a phase line split here. So you can see that the um if you can go to the next slide please I want to talk about
the amenities. So the community amenities that are being provided um both on on both sides there is a central amenity area that will feature a a class A zero entry pool with play elements and gazeos and shade and and all of those
elements that we like to see in uh family oriented development. Um there will also be sports fields that have been located here. Uh there are multiple neighborhood parks throughout both uh sides of the project.
Uh central male kiosks uh entry monumentation and um as I said all the amenities will be available to all the residents from both sides of the project. Next slide please. Uh these are some images of
recent uh projects that have been developed by uh the handover group on other uh projects and you can see the quality that um they'll bring to to this project as well. Um I believe these are in Leburg are they not? Are these Leburg
other Leburg projects? >> Yeah, one of these projects is actually in Leburg already. So you can see the quality of the pool and the and the amenities that um that they bring. Next slide please. Uh these are just some more uh images of of the playground type
facilities in the mail kiosks. Obviously these are uh family oriented um projects. Uh and um all of the all of the playgrounds come with shade structures to improve the safety and comfort of the usability year round in
Florida. Uh, and then the mail kiosks are all uh centrally located. Um, all weather. They're protected with roofs and lighting for uh safety and convenience. Next slide, please. Um, as I said, of the three uh con main
concerns uh the last time we were here for this project, um, one of the biggest was the traffic, which we definitely heard that loud and clear from uh this commission and the city commission. Uh and so in that time we've actually conducted a full traffic impact analysis
and it is completed. Um the proposed development is expected to generate 4,317 new external daily trips with 314 342 trips in the AM peak hour and 425 trips
in the PM peak hour. And so as part of that TIA, they identify all of the um the improvements to surrounding network and capacity and and and things of that nature to uh to mitigate for the impacts
that would be caused by the development. And so a number of those were identified, but also during that time, um, Hanover, the developer, um, they, uh, were in negotiation with Lake County to, um, actually improve this
intersection up here, signified by the yellow circle, which is 470, 33, and 48. Um, which, um, is, as we all know, one of the worst intersections in this part of the city. And so, um, we'll talk a
little bit more about that project, which Dan alluded to in his remarks, but, um, the the cost of the improvements of this, uh, of this project will more than offset all of the proportionate share that would be
required for the m the traffic mitigation for this project. So, um, if you could go Oh, and also before I one more thing. Um, one of the one of the concerns was this intersection up here, which was, uh, 27 and 48. And the
traffic study, um, found that the impacts to this intersection were less than 1% and that that intersection is is already not doing well just due to background traffic. So, it was a dimminimous impact to that intersection.
Okay. Now, next slide, please. So, um, some of the stipulations in the agreement that have already been signed and the traffic, uh, the traffic engineer is here tonight. If you have more specific questions, um, you can definitely direct them to her. But, uh,
the, um, some of the highlights of that is that um, the developer is is constructing and funding 100% of this intersection project um, under the agreement with Lake County. And um all all told the improvements will be will
total about $2.3 million and that will include improvements to and adding to the turn lanes. Uh it will be improving the signals. It will be milling and repaving the entire intersection. So this um this entire uh project boundary
here will be repaved, restriped. Um there will be new shoulders added um throughout the intersection. Uh there will be some widening and correcting of the geometry particularly in this uh northeast corner here. Uh and also there
will be uh pedestrian improvements in the form of new sidewalks and new crosswalks which the intersection does not have today. Um so uh the construction will be required to start within 6 months of the PUD approval. uh
and it will be required to be finished within 12 months of starting of of construction. And so what that means in terms of timing with the development is that if approved um the construction of this intersection will be complete
before a single unit is occupied within the development. So all involved thought that that was an important milestone to reach before any um any units were actually occupied. Next slide.
A little bit more on uh transportation improvements u at the project entrances. So the u the improvements at the north access access will be more extensive. There'll be several u several improvements including a 450 foot
northbound right turn deceleration lane from 33 into the east side. There will be a 450 foot long southbound right turn deceleration lane. There will be a 460
foot long northbound left deceleration lane and a 460 foot long southbound left turn deceleration lane. So basically there will be new deceleration lanes in every direction um coming into um this
these two entrances here. Now, down on the south part, there will be one improvement that was um that was dictated by the TIA, which will include a 450 foot long southbound right turn lane, right turn deceleration lane into the project. So, going south and turning
right into the project. Thanks. And that's that's all I have for you tonight. Um we have representatives of handover. Um oh, and I forgive me. I I if you could go back to the the slide with the uh the intersection on it,
please. I there's one more thing. One thing that we think is is pretty important about this project is that if if this was not um if this was not some kind of a negotiated um project between the county and the developer, the impact
fees for this project would just kind of float away. they would go into the the county's impact fee coffers and they would get spent somewhere in the county. What this project does is it guarantees that the money uh the impact the money
um gathered from the impacts of the project go specifically into the area uh that is u being impacted and it's in the city of Leburg. So, it's um we feel that this is it's this is a win-win for
everybody in that respect. Um so, and with that um we're happy to take any questions about traffic or anything else. >> Any questions? Applicants. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, in listing of all your
amenities and your cover sheet, if you could go to the first slide there, the cover sheet, >> you mean the >> There you go. >> Nope, that's it. Okay, you got enjoying note, enjoying life, bike trails, nature
trails. Um, I did see on the um, nomenclature here that there was going to be some, but you didn't mention any in the amenities. There are no I don't see any on the map. I don't see any that you've mentioned.
You mentioned a lot of improvements, but no trails, no things. I've got a question. Where are they? >> I can address that. So, um the it it may not be specifically itemized on this plan, but there is a nature trail
amenity along Lake Brightite which has been um the the lake shore of that will be preserved and enhanced um around the lake. So, there would be a nature trail around that. >> Yeah. It also said there was a bike trail along Route 33. Uh yes, there is a
county project for a bike trail along 33. So we would be required to u reserve sufficient land for the widening and the trail for along that road. >> All right. So the county is putting in the bike trail.
>> That's a county project. So yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions? Now you going to put a turn signal in. >> Uh so if you could go to the the one with the uh the aerial. Keep going a
couple more. Couple uh down. Okay. Right here. So this the intersection that we are proposing and have agreed to improve for the county. It already has a traffic signal today. The intersection does not function
particularly well right now because it lacks uh sufficient turn lanes and where it does have turn lanes they are not long enough to accommodate even the existing traffic. So the project will be improving all of those aspects including the the signals but but it does have
signals today. >> Yeah. >> Was that the question or or did you wonder about at the entrance? >> I'm talking about the entrance going from east to for the project. Yes. >> Uh, no. There's no signalization at the entrance of the project. >> So, now what's going to slow the traffic
down when people try to go from east to west? >> You mean across? Yeah. The >> Well, you'll have to drive across and when it's safe. >> That's not It's not a signalized intersection
or stop or a stop sign. Did you want to speak? >> Sorry. Um, >> state your name and your address, please. >> Joe Zabalero, Traffic and Mobility Consultants, 988 um Woodcock Avenue, Orlando, Florida, 32803.
Um so within the traffic analysis, we did um do an analysis of the two intersections that are um providing access to the site and we did not determine that it would need a traffic signal um with those two access points
>> because my concern was that you got amenities on both sides and people might like to go to the other side back and forth and you know that's a pretty busy highway too. It's a pretty busy highway. trying to know you guys have some way to I don't know to to slow it down that
they can go across a little safely and not just in a vehicle either even if you're walking across. >> So that would be something that we would need to kind of coordinate with Lake County in order to designate the crosswalk um as part of the the project
that they have for the the the trail and sidewalk and bike lanes. Any other questions? >> Yeah, I got one more. Sure. >> One more question came up. Um, can you explain to me the projected generated
4,317 trips, which 342 trips in the morning and 425 trips in the evening equals 767 trips. So that's only during one hour in the AM
in the and then in the PM. >> So that 4 342 is the total. So both directions northbound and southbound >> um during the AM peak. So it's either between like 7 to 8 or 8 to 9. Um same thing in the PM peak that would be a
period between either 4 to 5, 5 to 6 where peak would happen on the road going back from work. So those are the basically the the highest times that are generated by the site, >> right? >> Okay. Anything else?
>> Excuse me. >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh we will um open it up to the public. I will call your name as uh as they were turned in. Uh please remember what I
said. Um try not to be repetitive if you can. Um because I will stop and you get three minutes. So um Whan Haggard >> Good. >> Is my Is there any way I can get that
pointer the the pointer that she has? >> And will this screen stay up on where it would flick through this? Okay. >> Um is my time started? >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted to >> state your name and your address, please. Sorry. My name is Whan Hadard. Uh my address is 3213 Desert Lane. As
you see is the road adjacent to where the development is going to be. Um a couple questions. The Mr. Nathaniel had mentioned the the crossway that that road is a busy busy thing. And if you're to say that less than can you change
where the how many daily people are going to come in? Okay. And you're saying that seven, let's say 800, and that's on the slim slide. 800 people are coming in and out in two hours. We're going to say if you're if you're going to say that the
other 3,500 people ain't ain't coming in throughout the day, that's that's ridiculous. Um there there's going to have to be some implication to my road, to the other people's road to stop these people from coming. I mean, you can we barely pull out our trailers um from
from Desert Lane, but without having to double check. Uh in the the section up here, the man had he he strongly suggested that it was so important to to fix the road. Um that that that road has doesn't need no fits if without that
construction that's coming in. the transition the $2,000 he's talking about you're gonna have to add in to because of these without these the road by the BP in Oak is not a problem. It's not a daily problem. If anything, Bridges Road Bridges Road is the the the thing that
he should have been talking about. Bridges Road has some of the highest death rates in in this county and that's something that that didn't brought up. We have a fourlane fourlane h uh lights and everything and and from Bridges Road we have nothing. We still haven't got
the lights put up that they put up. The lights aren't working right now. Um another thing now I can't I can't stop anything from happening. But if this does go through with right here, nested bridge, nested uh 3213 desert lane, my
my road. I mean, I someone says something about a 4 foot fence is a solid fence, a solid wall uh adjacent to the property line. Um that that's that's ridiculous. You're talking about over two in a single home. We're talking
about adding 502 houses. That's over let's let's just round that up to a four a four family house with two kids. That's 2,000 people. 2,000 people are next to you. You don't know what those people don't do. I mean, you're talking about adding a four foot fence. We need a eight foot fence. Uh I mean, they they
do 10 foot fences in the villages. Uh I mean, that that's absolutely ridiculous to do that to these people. Um other than that, I I got Can you go back to the a um I think it's one one over.
No, ma'am. I'm sorry. One more. Uh yes ma'am and I I wanted to ask what and that's another thing. Okay. >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you. >> Yes sir. Thank you >> James Rebels. My name is James Rebels. I live at 3430
Desert Lane, Groveland. Okay. Right here at phase one, this is my property. I got about a th00and foot of fence line that joins up to it right here. This year, I've lived there 35 years. I've got hogs and chicken on my
property. Okay. I got a hog pins right on that back fence line right there going. And there's going to be a house within 30 35 ft of someone's backyard. And when these hurricanes come in, water bills up, hogs can get knee deep in
water, even though it's a a ball bearing sandill. Okay? And it's just not a good idea for me. So when people come to that b the fence line, they going to complain about the smell. Okay? Keep in mind this
year 35 years I've been here and that Okahunka down there at that intersection I have lived here for 58 years. There's two stores on that corner right there. Okay. There's gas pumps pretty close to that road that they're talking about
making a right turn. Widen it. That's going to put them gas pumps closer to that road. And if there's a wreck there, them cars going to go through them gas pumps. And if you try to widen the road the other way, it's just it's just not enough room. When they talk about that
walkway on 33 right there to get across from one minute to another, okay, that's a blind heel. A you got water here and water there. Okay. Fog builds up deep in there. Okay.
Bad ideal. Bad ideal. Okay. So, what it's going to do is impact my life. The last time we was here last year, I think four of the five commissioners turned this down because it's just a bad ideal. Okay? So,
I don't know how to express it enough. I've got chickens that runs my property and they're wild chickens. So, what's going to happen? I told my wife and wife, "Get out with a shotgun and kill my chickens cuz they're going to go through that fence and they're going to scratch up these yards." Okay, bad
ideal. I'm going to have people on top of me. Bad ideal. Okay, it's impacting my life. I've been a resident here for 58 years. I up in Oklahoma right there. Okay. In that intersection, I ain't hear nothing about, if you've been there, you
can realize how close the roads, the storefronts are close to the road there now. Okay. Now, they talking about putting a turn lane there. Well, 30 lane 33 is a two-lane road. The cars are still going to bottleneck up on a
two-lane road to hit that intersection. And like that one gentleman said over there, is there a turn light go the other way? Take your chance. You know what I mean? Bad ideal. Bad ideal. Order to fix this right here. You'd have to put a four-lane road in. I was on 441
coming um from the mall in Leburg. A six lane backed up, turn around, had to go back to var way home. >> Time. Thank you very much. >> All right. >> William Robertson. >> Afternoon.
>> Hello. Uh state your name and your address. >> William B. Robertson. Uh I'm uh 23404 County Road 33 Groveland mail address. But um my property is right there and
this is my uh entire uh north boundary of our property all along here uh which is their south boundary of course of this phase 4. Um we're greatly concerned about it like we were before and uh and doesn't look like to me very much has
changed really. I know they were talking about they were concerned about impact and they had reduced the number of of homes. I believe out of 508 they went down to 502. Sounds like six homes less. Makes a little difference as far as impact along
County Road 33. And of course up here in Okaha with traffic and everything. And everybody said enough about that. I don't need to say any more much about that. But our biggest concern here is what it's going to do to the area. Um we have cattle. We live we've lived out here for 38 years right here on this
property right here. Um we've got cattle um that I mean they're friendly to us but uh they can be unpredictable sometimes. And we're talking about 4 foot split rail fence going around the place. Does that include our side here too? Which isn't going to work. We we
want to have an 8 foot concrete wall at least an 8ft concrete wall. That's something that's going to be uh going to be substantial and prevent an accident from happening. These people are going to have kids. Kids like to go and play around, stick their hands through fences and stuff like that. Maybe climb over
and and go uh what do they call it? Cow tipping. Uh dangerous. Uh at any rate, uh it's it's not a good thing for us. And a 4ft split rail fence, if that's all they're going to put along here, is going to do next to nothing. Um, we do have a field fence of course that runs
along there with a uh electric wire runs across the top of it. 600 volts of electricity and that's what it takes to keep my bull and my cows from uh sticking their nose over the fence and trying to eat grass and maybe and tearing up the fence. So, uh it's
dangerous for uh for people like that. The other big danger is when we're talking about traffic, the biggest thing stood out to me is traffic going back and forth between these two places at is at the top of this blind hill as was said by my neighbor over that lives over
here. Traffic along 33 is the speed limit is 55 miles an hour. And trust me, cars go 65 regularly, a lot of times faster, 70, 75 miles an hour along county 33. They did put the traffic
light in down here at Bridges Road and Austin Merit and 33 down here. And the other gentleman was saying that it was not operating as of yesterday. Today even we stopped at it twice. Today it is in operation now. At first when they first put it in, it was just flashing
light red for uh for uh county 33 uh traffic and it was uh caution light for for uh for I'm sorry, caution light for 33 flashing red for Bridges Road and that sort of thing like that. So, >> thank you. >> Okay. You're welcome. >> I appreciate it.
>> Thank you. >> Gerald Robinson. >> Robinson. Sorry. >> My name is Gerald Robinson. I live at 3520 Desert Lane. My property is just to the right of where it says phase one. Um,
right there. And from what I've been calculating, it's a uh based on averages, the nationwide averages, this is going to add another 730ome
vehicles to this road. And they're all going to be coming in and going out right there. What it doesn't Well, I'm sure you're aware of because this is planning and zoning. There's a another map with all the homes
on it that's going in north of this which is coming out to about uh 3,672 homes north of this area. So with the same matrix applied to them, some would
be different because there's a 1500 home development going in across the back entrance of plantation. 33 is going to be so crowded that even the male delivery people ain't going to be able to get in and out. Um I've lived
there also uh 32 33 years and we're not opposed to growth. were opposed to this type of growth. If they could go buy one home per acre or one home per five acre like the county is,
they wouldn't be this many people here. We're becoming too concentrated too fast in this area without looking at the future intersection change. There's going to be water and sewer, uh, other amenities run down the side of the road
that's going to take, you know, you don't just snap your fingers and a seven, eight inch sewer line or water line gets put down uh what, three miles from the intersection. So, you're going to have construction work. It's going to be a mess for probably the next year
once this if it gets approved. Hopefully, it doesn't. But, uh, I also agree with a solid fence along the back. I've already thrown a drive shaft off of my property back over onto the rightway where it belonged or that's where it
came from when the car went up into the ditch. But, uh, with the intersection where you go across from one side to the other, that's going to be terrible. There's going to be school buses run over. Uh, like I said, there's 4,000
uh day trips and that's not included in the peak hours. So, you know, good luck getting on 33. That's really all I got to say. >> Thank you, sir.
>> Lee Barnett, >> please state your name and your address, please. >> Hi, my name is Lee Barnett. I have a farm at on Thomas Cove Drive um just slightly north of of where this is. >> What's the physical address?
>> Um 3205. >> Thank you. >> 3205 Thomas Co Drive. Um I'm not going to sit here and talk about traffic. Everybody else has done that. I'm going to talk about the other impacts that you've got as well. So, not only have you got traffic, how are these people going to get water? How are they going
to get sewage? But yet you're going to dig up the whole of 33 and bring in water and sewage down to them, but you won't give it to anybody else. All right? Which is unfair on every other resident that lives around this area that you're going to bring it all in for them. You won't give it to anybody else. The one of the other impacts is
wildlife. It's bad enough that you've already started all the other divisions, etc. that has driven in. I've now lost seven goats last year. All of my chickens and all of my ducks through coyotes and gators that have been driven to our property. All right. because their their habitats have been taken
away. All right. I've had to go out there at 2:00 a.m. in the morning, dig a hole, and bury my animals because of it. And yes, I'm angry and upset. You know what for? Another community, another extension of the villages. The villages
brought Florida to in 2025, the villages made Florida the number one highest state for STDs. Is that something to be proud of? groves, orange groves. We all drive a vehicle and our tags all have a nice orange on it. Florida now imports
more than 50% oranges into this country. How hypocritical is that, right? That we do not have >> with the subject matter. You're very, >> you know, that we are taking agricultural land. You also want to talk about like uh this guy wants to talk about putting in a nature trail or
whatever. If you actually go down Thomas Cove Drive, there is actually a nature trail already there that is from the Lake County, you know. So, we already have one knocking right on its door. All right. So, all of this stuff that he wants to,
you know, try and sell you, we already have. Traffic obviously, yes, that is a nightmare. Do you know what I mean? It it's um you know and and again the impact to all all of us residents like financially our taxes going to go up how we you know
we're going to get end up paying for a lot of this I know of at least four people that were killed at the intersection of uh Bridges and Austin Merritt and 33 before you even decided to put a light in. when they were there trying to put the light in. I even went out there and told the people and phoned
Lake County and told them that they actually need to put turn lanes in there, which no one wanted to listen to us. Do you know what I mean? Because people come around there and people want to do a left or people want to do a right and they just swerve around and I've almost had a head-on collision from somebody who done that. You know, I I'm
sorry. I'm upset. I'm angry. I >> understand. Thank you. Nancy Nebower, if I got that right or not. >> Hi, Nancy Nemhauser, 3816 Lake Bright Street. I thank you very much for taking
the time to listen to me. >> This project is an accident waiting to happen, not only in terms of traffic, but in terms of the lifestyle for those of us who have purchased here. I have a son with autism and we used this
property to have an escape from our our home in Mount Dora. We owned the Van Go house in Mount Dora and we took on the city because of my son's disability and uh I and my neighbors, my dear neighbors
here are very willing to do the same thing. We will fight to keep this project from moving forward in this capacity. Thank you for the time. >> Thank you, Kayla Phillips. I get that right. >> Kayla Phillips, 3956 Lake Bright Street.
I am a nurse practitioner. Public safety is my goal every single day to keep patients happy and healthy. I cannot tell you the amount of times I've almost been into an accident with my daughter in the car going to work at
6:45 in the morning. I cannot stress enough the amount of impact this will have negatively on the people that would buy here. I urge you to go to this area at 6:45 7 a.m. and
see the amount of reckless driving that occurs. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. And that happens with my patients every day. I can tell them how to get healthier, but you don't have to listen. We have speed limits. We all know them. They're posted
everywhere. But when I'm being passed at going 55 miles an hour and somebody is flying by me in a non-passing zone just because they have somewhere to be, you can't fix stupid either. In all honesty,
I am all for making growth and development in this area. But the reason why they placed this 5 acre minimum and I believe in 2012 when I contacted Lake County was to prevent such developments like this. They wanted to maintain the
beauty of the country rural life that is in this area. I myself, my husband, my daughter, I work for the villages. I see it. Do I love it? No. I don't love what they're doing. The poor animals.
But at the end of the day, we are trying to bring more growth to this area with infrastructure. We don't have enough healthc care providers to take care of the people we have now, let alone the developments that are coming in with thousands of people. What would you do if that was
your child and they were having a heart attack and they were 50 years old, but they didn't get EMS in time because they were stuck at 33 and 470 at the light. It would be detrimental. It is
um it's outrageous for them to even think that they could when you know I'm sorry, but I get it. You know, it's all about money. We're they're money hungry. I would probably be too, but at the end of the day, I have to worry about patient safety, what's best for people.
And this is not what's best for all of these people in this area. It's not best for the people that would buy those homes. If they kept the 5 acre minimum per resident, do you know how many less accidents we would probably happen that the fire department would be able to get
to their homes in an adequate amount of time, let alone not getting lost because you see them turning around half the time because they don't know where they're going. But they would be able to have a better, safer area. You won't be able to cross 33. I recommend you guys cross 33 on
foot. Please, 7 a.m. 5:00 p.m. Please cross it and tell me how scared you are for your life. But thank you, >> Donna Robinson. >> Time. >> Uh, Donna Robinson, 3520 Desert Lane.
Um, I don't get it. I don't get why you want to tear up beautiful landscape out there. I understand they want to make it something that it's it's land, but we've already got so many business down at the
other end going toward Leburg that they're putting in. Well, they're already started. They already got approved. That's going to be traffic there trying to get into town. let alone the ones going by this place here. And if there's going to be half
and half and there's going to be kids crossing that highway back and forth, honest to fee, I'm going to be living right there on the corner hearing it and seeing it. And it it's just if it's five acres, that'd be so much better. But as
close as these houses are going to be with kids, it's going to be a mess is what it's going to be. I mean, it's nice country. There's animals everywhere. There's beautiful oak trees everywhere. It's It's a growth area where the villagers came in and pushed them all
our way. And now they're all right up there on the hill with us. We see them all the time. The owls and the eagle and the possums and everything. So, but all I know is I'm I'm begging you, please don't don't do this. It it not not now.
And if you do consider it, make them have more more room for their houses cuz I got to live there. And if that that happens, my nerves won't be able to take it run about them little kids crossing that road because they'll do it. They're kids. And I thank you very much for your
time. God bless you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much. That was the end of our list. Can I say something? >> Did you get sworn in? >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Thank you so much. >> Sure. >> Um I have a question regarding the >> state state your name and your address. >> Leontel's 3816 uh Lake Bry Street. >> I have a question regarding the um the traffic. Right. When you mentioned that there was 4,000 trips or something a day, right? Is that only for this
development? Because there's three other developments going on on 33 right now. So, what does that mean? Did you add everything up? Because now we're talking maybe what 10,000, 20,000. How much is it? So, the traffic is not 4,000. It's going to be 10,000 or who knows. Another question I
had regarding the uh you mentioned 25 foot buffer, I think. What is the 25 foot buffer? I didn't understand that. >> Thank you, sir. Um the 25 foot buffer goes around the property. It starts at the property line and goes in and it's an underscore >> all around
>> all around and it's and it goes inward on the property and if there is u extensive vegetation there they leave it there. >> Okay. >> If there's not then they have to plant to the standards that are >> So these fences that you guys are
proposing like the gentleman was talking about for the chickens what is going to be 25 foot in or is it right on our property? Um, it could be we could work it either way. >> Oh, it's a big difference whether it's 25 ft or right in my property. >> There is a big difference. >> Okay. >> And but we can work it either way. We
prefer the fence to be on your property line so that it stops right on not on your property on their property adjacent to your mean >> and then have the buffer. They have to take care of the buffer and the fence divides the properties.
>> Does that make sense? So basically all around will be 25 all of us that are adjacent to this to this development. Right. We have 25 ft before we see the fence. >> Yes. From your home, >> right? Correct. >> From our property line. Okay. So then back to the traffic scene. I'm just really concerned of that.
>> You'd have the >> fence. Well, you said >> then the buffer, >> right? >> The buffer then coming from his house. That's why I said that. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> From the house or from the my property line? >> No. From >> the fence is on the line. >> You get 25 ft. >> Right. than your home.
>> By home, you mean property because my home is a house. It's farther down. Okay. >> So, regarding the the traffic, I just wanted to know if your study only applies to this development or it applies to the entire you add someone add >> all of the developments >> and just this one.
>> Huh? >> Just this one. >> So, how >> they're measured these traffic and I'll let them answer those these questions after because they come back up. But it's to show the impact of what this will do. The additional impact. >> I understand.
>> So if there's there's 20,000 cars going up and down, this would be an extra 4,000. >> Okay. Because that was my question. We we should count on the ones that are coming up, the developments that are going on. There's two before uh after turnpike and then another one here. So there's like there's four developments
going on right now. That's going to be a lot of traffic. We'll ask we'll ask him after this, but I imagine that was taken into consideration, but I don't Well, no, it wouldn't because this just coming from Take that back. Sorry. >> That's Yeah, I think it's a bad idea. Like the gentleman said, I think it's a horrible idea. I used to live in New York and LA, and I actually came here
because of there's no people around. Um I think it's absurd to put so many people together in such a such a small place in reality. You know, the five I I think five acres is too little. I should be 10 acres per house, actually. Um but um I I agree with everybody, all my
neighbors. This is ridiculous because I think that nobody's really realized how much people are how many people are going to be here because this is nothing compared to what's happening already. I was already scared when we bought and we realized there was already developments going on and now right next to us it's I think it's a bad idea too. Thank you so
much. >> Thank you. >> Can I ask a couple things? This short >> I I I I don't usually I I don't usually do it. If it's questions for the >> Sure. >> You got to come up to the microphone,
but this is it, guys, because this is definitely against my the way I run a meeting. >> Uh my name's uh James Rebels. I live at 3430 Desert Lane, right there where phase one is. My property joins. >> One minute. Right behind that development is a landfill.
These people has got to have access to their landfill. It used to belong to Hwitt, but it belongs to they got bought out. Okay. How are they going to get through that subdivision to their landfill with them heavy trucks? Because here they're going to open it back up
again. Okay. And to stop all this bickering and fighting, it's on five acres in there already, right? Just if the people don't want the property, just let them sell it off in five acres. Put a house on it just like
we had to buy and that's it. But that landfill right there and that landfill caught on fire one time. Gas comes out of it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. >> That's it. All right. If the applicant wants to
come back up. No, that's it. No. if you would try to answer a lot of the questions that came up. >> Sure. >> And then anything else you want to add? >> Ben Snider, Hannover Land Company, 605 Commonwealth Avenue, Orlando 32803. For
the record, um we are happy to answer any of the questions that y'all have. A lot of issues were raised. Um one clarification uh from our presentation is uh we have 18 months to complete the improvements at the intersection. I think Andrew said we have had 12 months
uh per the agreement. The schedule is for 12 months, but per the agreement, we have up to 18 months if we need to take that long. We don't project it taking that long. We hope it won't take that long, but we wanted to clarify that. Um, one of the questions uh that gentleman raised is were the other uh approved
projects taken into account in our full TIA as background traffic which the answer is yes and there is existing excess capacity with those projects taken into account on 33. So um the other you know questions about crossing
back and forth um there may be some of that there are duplicated amenities on both sides pool and cabana and parks and everything on both sides. So it seems like the need to go back and forth between the amenities would be diminished uh because they exist on both
sides. Um, and we are happy to answer any other questions the commission has. Um, but didn't didn't feel the need to address each objection to the project. >> Did he was he say so? If I could state your name.
>> Tony Yurio with the handover Land Company, uh, 605 Commonwealth Avenue. Uh the one thing I wanted to add this is the intersection that 4733 and 48 was is a really a public private partnership. The the county designed the project. So
in other words, all the engineering, all the studies that were done and I know there were issues that were brought up about that intersection, but again again the county engineer has addressed all those and the consultants that they they utilize for those. So there is an approved set of plans right now that
they finish and that's what we we're we're going to build and uh construct and the signal there is signalization there but it's all improved signalization widening tur lanes cross it's going to be a whole new intersection as you can see from that. So I just wanted to clarify that.
>> And you talking about at the intersection that crossover from project from project to project? >> No. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the that 470, the one picture we showed with that large intersection that said $2.3 million, right? >> Yeah, that's the one I just wanted to clarify. There was comments about
>> sight distances and gas stations and so forth. So, thank you. >> Any other comments from the >> I think we're just here to answer any questions that y'all have. >> You guys have any questions for him? Well, not about the the crossing over
again just to now to the to to the young lady who was talking about the traffic. Is it possible to put like caution lights north and south of >> So when as part of the design because of where it's at, that will be taken into consideration. So if there's a
sighteline issue, if there is a no passing zone issue, that will be vetted out as part of the design of the intersection itself. So that will that includes making sure that there is enough sight distance from as you're coming up to the intersection and as
well as as you're leaving from either d e either entrance from the from the development. So that's going to be addressed as part of the improvements that are going to be happening on county road 33. Um >> will that be dictated by DOT?
>> So that will be dictated by Lake County. So, we will have to go through their process and permitting those improvements as part of that. So, there that'll be vetted out as uh to make sure that we've addressed all of those sight distance issues, safety issues that may
be of concern. If lighting is needed at that time, that will be lighting meaning street lighting or pedestrian level lighting, that will be also brought up by Lake County as we go through that design process. Any other
>> questions? Okay. We'll close the public uh for discussion and render decision. >> Anybody have any comments? >> I actually like the project. The only concern is that but if they they got everything approving through the county
to take care of the road, you know, I don't feel a problem. about it. Change is going to come. We all know that change is going to come. And the thing about it is we want to be able to control it, counter control it, and make
it safe. I think that's the most important thing cuz change is change is going to happen. >> Yeah. My my biggest concern was the traffic on the hill, >> right? Um, >> but with this $2.3 million plaz
>> well the but the intersection they said on the hill so sometimes it's hard to see but um the >> the thing that's I'm still talking >> well I'll call on him when it's done.
>> That's that's my job. Um but see now they got me can't remember what I was gonna say. Um, but yeah, there there's certain things about the traffic. Everybody's worried about the traffic, but if if the traffic study the county says, well, the traffic
study's okay, it's hard to vote against it, you know, because we, you know, we've got a lawsuit going on now because we turned it down and and it's because we didn't agree to what the state and the county and the city and all that stuff, you know, supposed to do. So, you
know, that's my biggest >> There's not There's not a lawsuit on this property, is it? >> No. >> Okay. >> But one of the ones we turned down, they're suing the city because we turned it down and they followed all the rules. >> Okay. >> That's a concern,
but >> we can't be afraid of that. Well, I think we're stewards for the for the city as well as well as the >> one thing here is that um it's from Lake County Rural to the city of Leburg estate residential. These lots are not
estates. They're lots congested, too dense for the area. >> But it's what we've been putting down in in in our other projects down the street. You can't turn the little rural land
into dense residential. This is not estates. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Yeah. Uh Kim, that's just a a term. It's used for doesn't mean it's an estate size lot in your your mind, but it is
ter. But I would like to say to the the group here and and I agree with most of everything these people have talked about today. Uh we did not approve this a year and a half ago or a year ago and I don't see much difference. I don't see any less
impact on the existing environment. I see no less traffic even though they might have improvement on 3348. Hey, that's got to happen no matter what. But I am not in favor of this
proposal. I It is rural land. I like to see it say rural. Um a rural or agricultural land is one unit for five acres >> in the county. >> In the county. Okay. We're This property is in the county still. Okay. Correct.
Hey, >> keep it in the county. I'm opposed to it. >> Anything else? Mr. Chairman, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> Commissioner O. Kelly, I agree 100% with
what you've said. I am also opposed to it. I was opposed to it before. I'm opposed to it now. That's all I have. >> Anything else? >> All right. Close the discussion for a
motion. >> What? I'll make them >> two. Two motion >> motion on public hearing case number LS CP25774 Blake Bright Right Hurst
comprehensive plan to deny. I'd >> like to second that motion. Okay. Any discussion? Roll call. >> Commissioner Si >> deny. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> I Yes means no. Yes. >> Commissioner Salt. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Robertson. >> No. >> Commissioner Senate. >> No. >> Commissioner Sanders. >> No.
>> So, it's it's lost because of the tie. >> Okay. >> It's a denial because of the tie. >> Yeah. Um, okay. on public hearing case number PUD 25775 Bright Lake Bright Brighthurst that's hard to
say the plan unit development is there a uh a motion >> I'll spit it out Mr. Chairman, uh, on public hearing case PUD25774, I recommend denial. >> Sorry, >> I'll second that.
>> Thank you. Any discussion? >> Okay, >> roll call, please. >> Commissioner Kelly, >> yes. >> Commissioner, >> yes. >> Commissioner Robertson, >> no. >> Commissioner Sanders, >> uh, no. >> Commissioner Sanders, >> no.
>> Commissioner Simon, >> yes. >> Same thing. strikes down for a because it's a tie >> so it failed. >> Um I do want to remind you guys the schedule it will be the first reading
will be February 23rd here 5:30 I think and the second reading will be March 23rd so it's either remember both 23rd and that'll be the vote will be that day. So >> so it lost because it tied up. So, it's
it was denied here. >> So, it'll go it'll go to the city as a a recommendation of denial. >> Thank you. I appreciate y'all working with us. It's I know it's emotional. >> You know what I mean?
>> Yeah, I agree. Yeah, >> I want to talk about that. >> Well, I appreciate that. >> So, so far right now it's >> correct. >> The city has final section. Another
thing that we may consider is where people going to shop because the only shopping center out there is >> Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Oh yeah, we got >> Thank you.
>> Okay, >> chairman. Go ahead and take it outside. We have another case. >> I don't. >> I'm being polite. >> What? >> I'm over right now. >> We got to go. Let me write down that
date on the card for >> February 23rd. March 23rd. >> Okay. And what's this going to be for the commissioner? >> City commission. >> City commission. >> They're going to make the final decision. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Fill the room. >> I go now.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Noob. Thank you. I appreciate that. >> No problem. >> Can I Can I drop my name off that ballot? >> He withdraws. >> No, you you took it. >> You made a promise.
>> I never said I was smart. >> Well, I'm smart, but I'm crazy. >> Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Public hearing case number SP25813, uh, Cronin Dwey Robbins Residential Smallcale Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Case number four, public hearing case
number SPUD25814, Cronin Dwey Robbins Residential Small Plan Unit development. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is the Crowin Dewey Robbins residential project. Under the background, the project consists again of an annexation small-cale comp plan
and reszoning site consists of approximately 9.2 two plus or minus acres. It's generally located north of Dewey Robbins Road and east of US Highway 27. The request is for approval of a future development consisting of 26 single family dwelling units. Under this
request, future land use application for the project is requesting a change from Lake County Rural to City of Leburg estate residential. The zoning application for the project is requesting a change from Lake County A agriculture to city of Leburg small
planned unit development. Senior planner Max Van Allen will present the maps and photo exhibits at this time including the aerial future land use zoning surrounding land use wetlands flood zone maps commission and CRA maps.
We got max. >> As soon as I can be in two places at once, I will present. Thank you. Uh the extended aerial for this shows the subject property east of US27 and north of Dewey Robbins Road.
The aerial shows the subject property north of Dewey Robbins Road and west of Hodgees Reserve Avenue. The Lake County future land use for the subject property is rural and it is surrounded by rural to the west and east
and rural transition to the west. The surrounding future land use for the city includes neighborhood mixed use to the north and estate residential to the south and east. The proposed future land use is estate
residential. The existing zoning is Lake County Agriculture and is surrounded by A agriculture to the west and east, CFD to the east, which is community facility facility district and RP residential professional
to the west. The surrounding city zoning is PUD planned unit development. The proposed zoning on the subject property is SPUD small planned unit development. Surrounding land uses include
residential and single family to the east, vacant residential and single family to the west, non-aggricultural acreage to the north, pasture improved hay average to the south. The subject property is located within
the Leburg ISBA. Surrounding city developments include Whispering Hills to the north, Hodgees Reserve to the east, and Grace Groves to the south. There is flood zone X and AE on the subject property,
and there are wetlands in the northwest corner of the subject property. The subject property is surrounded by commission district 4. Signs were posted on January 9th, 2026. The top image is a closeup of the sign
from Dewey Robbins Road. The bottom image is looking north into the subject property from Dewey Robbins Road. The top image is looking east along Dewey Robbins Road from the subject property. And the bottom image is looking south across Dewey Robbins Road from the
subject property. And finally, looking west across Dewey Robbins Road from the subject property. Thank you very much. That's all I have. >> Thank you, Miss Van Allen. Moving on to the departmental review summary. Project was sent out to all city departments along with Lake County government, Lake County School Board for their comments.
There were from the city department responses. There were no substantiative comments coming back from any of the departments. The property is again outside the city of Leburg electric service area. water, wastewater, and gas all indicated uh the ability to actually serve this development at this time.
Under public responses per Florida statute and city of Leburg code requirements, project was legally advertised, posted, and letters were sent out to the surrounding property owners within 200 ft. The city did receive again numerous uh responses to
this request, and a summary of those concerns include uh statements. 99% of the residents that live on dewy Robins Road and Turkey Lake roads enjoy the wildlife and peace and tranquility and would like for it to stay that way. Hodgeges Reserve isn't conforming to
Dewey Robbins Road. Um ruining Dewey Robbins Road. City of Leburg is ruining our area. Leave the county areas alone. Number of homes and lot sizes are too small. Ranch style homes on one acre lots would be better. And again, that's the summary. Under the terms of the SPUD
agreement, the proposal consists of 26 detached single family units on the 9.2 plus or minus acres. Again, no other uses um permitted, no commercial, no town houses, apartments, anything like that. Um project proposal includes
design and zoning standards for the architecture. uh minimum of 35% of the property in open space. Dark sky lighting code compliant landscape plan being required. Uh maximum building height, two floors, gutters for the sidey yards on all the
lots. Uh 6ft privacy fences are required on the east and west side of the property. There's also a 4ft split rail fence required adjacent to Dwey Robbins Road. And there's some samples of those fences in your packet. on site access.
There is one access point um shown on the site plan. It's just one access point. It's all they need. They only have 26 units and it's a straight um if we could go to the site plan, please, Melissa. Um it's a straight street
running down there. The PUD does require the developer to provide any and all expansions uh for the roadway and the upgrades to the access point and roadsways as needed and required by Lake County. Um Lake
County did have some Lake County Public Works did have some comments including um additional rightway along Dewey Robbins Road and turn lanes on Dewey Robbins Road that would be required as well as a sidewalk that would be needed. Under recreation, there is because it's
26 lots, there is 5200 square feet, which is basically the equivalent of one small lot that would be needed for the area. Uh generally that's going to be something along the lines of a children's playground, something like that, which is permitted under the um
and required under the PUD. Uh all the utilities have to be on city water and wastewater. So there's no wells or septics and again our utility services have indicated that there is um uh enough capacity to serve. Uh there is
also the phasing and or expiration clause which uh is the standard phasing and and expiration clause which requires um substantial commencement within four years. U Mr. Chairman I did mean to
mention on the previous case and it applies to this case as well. There have been three changes to our PUDs that I meant to bring up. The first is we're putting a signature page on them on the back so that the owner signs it as well as the city the applicant. Um the second
is a requirement that says that the there will be no private wells. And then the third change is um forgive me I've just forgotten the third. >> Yes, thank you. >> What was it? >> There is a this is the really the most
important one. Um there's an agreement in our PUDS now that will have a prohibition on using the land for live local purposes. The live local um um bill that was passed a couple years ago that allows a great high density a high
density development without public hearings if it's commercial or industrial property. And there's a lot more to it than that, but that's simplifying it. So, um, we don't want if if this project is eventually passed, and it's the same situation where you have to annex or not. Um, we don't want
anyone coming in here and putting 300 units or whatever, a high number of units of apartments here. It's inappropriate at best. Uh so and then under the recommendations like to go ahead and put those on the
record. Project for Cronin Dewey Robbins Residential for case number SS SCP 25813. The planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for for these reasons. One, the project meets the requirements of chapter 163.3187
Florida statutes for smallcale comp plan amendments. Second, the proposed request is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County Rural Rural Transition City of Leburg estate residential and neighborhood mixeduse. Three, the proposed request as condition is compatible with the
proposed zoning of SPUD, which is small planned unit development. And four, the proposed future land use designation for the site is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan future land use element goal one objective 1.6. The action requested, this is for the
smallcale comp plan, is to recommend approval and send that forward to the city commission for their um decision. The next recommendation is for the Cronin Dwey Robbins residential reszoning, which is under case number
SPUD2-814. Planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons. One, the proposed request for the SPUD zoning is compatible with the current surrounding zoning districts including Lake County A
RP and city PUD. A is agriculture, RP is residential professional. Um, and two, the proposed zoning as conditioned is compatible with the proposed future land use designation amendment to city estate residential and the current surrounding future land use designations. Three, the
proposed use is compatible with the city of Leburg approved developments along Dewey Robbins Road. The action therefore the action requested is vote to approve the proposed reszoning from Lake County a agriculture to city spud and forward this recommendation to the city
commission for their consideration. Um, so based on this review and these facts and that it's consistent with the city's comp plan and land development regulations, the staff is recommending approval for these cases. Uh, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Tanner Calibal, partner in
the land planning group in Tares uh is here to represent the case and ask answer any questions you may have. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. Any questions of staff before we sir? Okay.
>> I got a question on the picture. >> What's that big thing in the middle? The road. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's a boulevard. >> Good evening. As uh Dan said, I'm Tanner Kellba with LPG uh representing the Kronins uh 9013 Silverl Drive uh Lake
County. Um, one thing that I think is probably worth mentioning uh at this time is this is not actually the first time you guys have seen this project before. It came up um I want to say about this time last year. Um before it
was a uh town home project with a little bit of commercial and uh this board uh I would say rightly pointed out that it's not really in keeping with what has been approved uh in that area. And one of your comments was uh that you wanted to
see it uh more in keeping with uh the surrounding developments. Uh and so that's what we did. We pulled it uh and then we kind of reworked the plan. Um and so is there any possible way that I can see the uh surrounding developments map
again? Yeah, that's it. So, this guy right here is close enough. There you go. That's great. Um, so this guy right here, Hodgers Reserve, um, it's a PUB for 449
single family units. Um, 50s are the minimum. Um, here is your Whispering Hills. Um, 2,942 approved units, single family. Um, and here it's not on the board, but it's uh
Lake Co. Properties, 182 single family units, also 50s. So, what we've done is we've created a site plan that matches uh these already approved by this board and uh as well as
uh city commission. um in terms of both uh lot sizes and also uh in terms of density actually our density is much lower than these other surrounding ones that you've uh approved
in the past. Uh so traffic um obviously a big deal um would be an understatement. Um so the traffic right now is uh for the 26 units is what is considered dimminimous. Um so what that means is that um I
believe less than 100 um peak hour um trips would be uh created. Um other than that uh I'm going to yield my time uh to any questions you may have or
u public comments. >> Any questions from start to say staff? >> Yeah. From the commission. What what is the shooting range right next to this property? Is that going to be put out of business because you're putting residential homes there? >> There's a shooting range.
>> It it would not be put out of business because under state law he has the right to have that range. Um, and it's the gentleman, I believe, immediately to the east, if I'm correct, if he's here, and I don't know if he is, but uh, we did
get a request from him, a communication from him, but under state law, that that range does not have to go away, and he is in the county, and he is zoned to agriculture. >> That's the range. >> Any other questions?
is ch. >> Okay, >> you can jump. >> Any other questions? That's it. >> Okay, thank you. All right, we have three folks that are going to want to speak. Um, did all three of you get
sworn in? >> Sir, in the back that put in last, >> did you did you get sworn in? Please stand. Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
>> Thank you. >> Okay, Matt Ry. >> Yeah, there you go. >> I had it. >> Can't believe it. >> Yes, he's trade the eye for the Y for an I. >> Yeah, that's cool. >> Rail. Yeah. Um, Matt Rail, legal name is
James Matthew Rail. live at 6429 Dewey Robbins Road. I also have part of the property with my in-laws at 6255. Is that right? Dewey Robbins. So, um, and I also I'm the one that sent the picture in with the shooting range that you guys
just talked about. So, if you could pull that up for me, that'd be great. There you go. So, you kind of see I have the joining right next to them. And that's where my cows are, which I got 16 heads of cow now currently. Paul, huh?
>> 21. >> Yes. Sorry. I had some more boring here in the last three months. So, uh, I'm up to 21 right now. And then I have my shooting range, which is a 50 yard shooting range that's right next to where they're going to build this. Um, the neighbors are on the opposite side
because it's landlocked, right? They're trying to do this right in the middle of two 10 acre parcels. um they can't be here tonight because he's still in the hospital for diabetes. So, unfortunately, he's not going to be here to talk about what he's got because he's got the Hodgees development which is
over on one side and now you're talking about building another. So, he's going to be pretty much landlocked in between these two things. And Hajes was nice enough to give us a sixoot fence between his property and theirs, which is a joke. It's a, you know, vinyl fence. So, he tried planting uh trees along that
line to try to block it. Of course, it takes 10 years or so for that to grow. But my main concern is my cows and my shooting range. And I have no problem going out and shooting 3,000 rounds on a Saturday. And I know you're going to
have some iate people. I mean, not alone when I got to take my tractor over there and clean out the stalls. We're all because I I have to lock my cows in every night because I have miniature cows, which means my cows are only 42 inches tall compared to a six foot normal cow. So I have to lock them in
because the coyotes carry them away. All right. So every night, so I got to clean those stalls out religiously about every three months. I got to clean it out and the smell is nasty. I don't have any problem with it now because I don't have anybody living next to me. The nearest neighbor is about what 300 feet I think
300 feet away. So I don't have any problem with it now. So that's my only concern is is those two points right there. Um that's pretty much it. I really don't want it I really don't want to it to go to the city. Um no offense guys. Um
there's like what four of us now that are still counting and we prefer to keep it that way on a little out unless the developer wants to come over and offer us a really great amount and buy us all out. I think we're all good for that. You know, you know, I got to figure in my mind I'm thinking. But um other than that, if you
guys could please vote no just like you did last year when they brought this up, I appreciate that much. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I want one of those cows. >> I always love you. Me, too. >> All right. Lori Brown.
I got that one right. >> Yes. Lori Brown, 6217 Dewey Robbins Road. My husband and I own the 40 acres. When you turn left on Dewey from 27, everything that you look at from the lake is ours up until Becky's parents.
We like it rule. Um the city of Leburg will be able to give this development um utilities because you guys approved Haj's reserve. Um but the first summer that that development was on your board, uh we were told that you guys were
against it. So, we were happy about that because it's rural area. Um, my my thought for them is just sell it the way it is, go back up north where you came from and just leave the rural area
the way it is. Um, like he said, with all the developments that you guys have been approving, the coyotes, the wildlife is going crazy. Um, they've had turkeys be killed over it. Um anyway, yes, I'm very much opposed to it. I
prefer um looking at the lake and seeing the cows and not seeing lots of rooftops. So, oh, and the last point that I was going to make is the Cronins were actually the ones that that created the um hard copy petitions that we gave
you guys um the first summer when Hajes Reserve and with Spring Hills was on the docket. They were the ones that actually originated that. And there was two different petitions that go we we gave you guys like 1500 signatures. Yeah. You remember that? They were the
ones that originated that. Um the daughter is the one that came down our road. Her mom works for the school system. She did like the north end and her daughter did the south end. So I'm just gonna tell them just to sell outright, not to a developer. Leave. be
nice to your past resident neighbors. Um, and leave us alone. So, that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And I can't read your writing, but the guy in the back >> plus I need to get you to fill out some of this other stuff.
>> You can do it. >> My name is Mesh Rick Ram. I live at 14325 county road 455 clearmont. I lived there for 30 years and I bought 10 acres next to where this development
want to happen and I trying to get away from the city area you know they built 12 about 12 car dealership Costco BJs everything around and I want move to the country you know
build my house there so I don't like to develop my I trying to get away from that that's what I bought 10 acres is next to the same property I want to live in the country.
I see a lot of crime and a lot of traffic accident every day on my road where I live now. That's what I choose to try to move in the country. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you.
>> All righty. Uh we'll close or um you want do you have any thing you want to add or just >> almost forgot you >> I suppose it's probably worth uh mentioning that there is going to be a 25- ft uh buffer here. Uh and I I know
it's kind of hard to uh see based off of this concept plan. But uh even beyond the 25 foot buffer there is significant amount of space in between the uh edge of the lots and the uh property line. Um, so I think it comes out to uh it's
it's obviously kind of hard because the property line is diagonal, but I think it comes out to um about 50 feet uh average uh between uh the property line and the um lot lines here. Um and that's
all I had to add. Thank you. >> Any other questions? We can go into discussion close to the >> I got a question again. >> Sure. Okay, this um 9.26 acres as I see here,
about a third of it is in the water. So, you're actually putting 26 homes on six acres. >> That's how the city does it. >> That's what >> we average it. I would that's >> well, you want >> just looking at the map, looking at the
picture, >> this is the um the gross density calculation. If when you start getting into net densities and you have wetlands, you have flood zones, you have different areas, districts, trees, it becomes a complete mess. So you kind of
have to use your own common sense and say, okay, there is some in the water here, but we have to use a something that everyone can understand and everyone can understand the gross density. If we start an argument about um which I understand making a good point that there's wetlands and your
your actual density is higher, that's absolutely true. But I think it's uh to be consistent with what is in our comp plan and the way that the city does density. We use the gross number to keep it consistent. And you can look at a map and see the difference.
>> But as as Simeone is is pointing out, >> everyone that's passed is Yeah. is done that way. >> Yeah. So you got uh also a partial of this on the picture here is across Dewey Robbins Road.
Are you putting houses up there? >> Across the street >> where >> on on the picture? Not >> that was submitted by the resident. >> I'm looking at the photograph. >> They're only on the north side of Dewey
Robbins is the where they plan to. >> It's that green area, >> right? You looking at the picture that was submitted by the residents? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just think that the property the
building area for this 26 homes is shrunk according to that according to this. That's all. Okay. >> Anything else? Um, you know, I know there's been a lot
of development uh surrounding this property approved, a little bit of it started development. Uh, but I think this little enclave of whatever they are, four to six 10 acre parcels with mostly with homes on each
parcel. It's kind of like I in my mind call it spot zoning. Um, I understand it's going to be totally developed in that area at some point in time, but I don't think it's appropriate to take a parcel that's between two larger estate
size or agricultural properties. If it's contiguous, maybe, but in the between two other large lots with houses, I kind of say it's not appropriate. >> I understand your point, but it's not spot zoning if it's contiguous to
another development. That's not correct. That would be correct in your opinion. Uh but I'd say the term >> I appreciate what you're saying. You didn't hear the first part of my statement. >> Spot zoning is not the correct term.
>> It's a change of zoning between between two incompatible properties on each side of it. >> Okay, that's different. I was just making sure everybody's clear because I don't want to I don't want anybody to misunderstand. >> I know it's the zoning is totally all
zoned for high density around there, but this sits between two larger estatesized properties. If those folks were to all get together >> and say we're going to sell all these together, that presents a little different issue. >> That's not that's not the reason I
brought that up. >> I was just correct. I was just making sure everybody understood. I know you have this high degree in in uh real estate. So, but you train >> smiling doesn't count. You're very >> You forget where you started your real estate career, don't you?
>> With me and Hunting >> with Hunt. >> Okay, we should have fun. >> I got a I got a general question maybe for the P people. uh this acreage, nine acres total
including the water. If they don't want this development, would they consider purchasing it from the builder who wants to build and stick these houses in your pristine land?
That's just a question. Is it possible? Yeah, we would love to own it, but we don't have the money to >> and the builder doesn't own it right now. Anyways, this subject to getting >> still on. >> Okay, >> it's a side deal. >> Yeah, that's a side deal.
>> If if you think it's a good idea, I recommend because it's still got to go to the city just like the other one, you know, February 23rd, March 23rd. If you think you might want to do that, go talk to them the next month, you know. It's a good idea. I mean, that's been brought
up before, >> but I didn't want to crank up the conversation here because it's out. >> Not that I'm an expert. >> All right. Uh, close to uh discussion and uh I'll accept the motion.
>> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing case number STP25-813. All right. Is there a second dies of elect? Uh that's the first one. The second one is public hearing. Spud
25 814 Conan Dwey Robbins residential small plan unit development. Is there a motion for that one? >> Yes, sir. I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing case number SPUD25814.
>> Is there a second? >> It does for lack of a second. So, it's going to them as a recommendation not to pass. >> Think about it. You can see this commission is consistent. >> Yeah, it is. It is. Um, again, those
dates 23rd of February, 23rd of March. It's 5:30 here. Oops. >> Were there no other motions to be made? I just wanted to make sure. >> Oh, well, I guess we could do that. I mean, you don't have to, though, right?
>> No, you don't, but I just wanted to make sure that you had the opportunity if anyone else wanted to make a different motion. >> Makes it hard to explain on the agenda memo. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a good idea. Anybody want to make a since it died? Anybody want to make a motion?
>> Mr. Chairman, on SP25813, I recommend denial. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> I knew I knew that you were John. >> Um, any discussion? Roll call. >> Commissioner Fires,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Robertson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sen, >> no. >> Commissioner Sanders, >> no. >> Commissioner Simeone, >> yes. >> Commissioner Yes. >> And public hearing. Thank you. Public
hearing case SPUD 25814 Croin Dwey Robbins Residential Small Plan Unit Development. >> Mr. Chairman, I recommend denial. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? Roll call.
>> Commissioner Firesaw. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Robinson. >> Yes. >> Commissioner St? >> No. >> Commissioner Sanders? >> No. Commission. >> Yes. >> Commission. >> Yes. >> So, it's going to go to them as a recommendation to turn it down.
>> That was That was cleaner. Thank you. >> Clear. >> It is cleaner. You don't have to do that, but that's a good way of doing it. >> U February 23rd. March 23rd. >> All right.
>> Anything else to be brought up uh to the uh good of the order? We're out of here. Outstanding.