Don't think it's going to start in a minute. >> 30 seconds. Really? >> That's amazing. But I think I was >> 13. >> 10 seconds. >> Small world. That's those same
thing. >> That's awesome. >> Welcome everybody. >> Think we have a forum here. >> Looks like lovely. >> We welcome everybody. I'm glad to see you all this busy time of year. Um just
want to go over the agenda real quickly. you might have any in front of you, but uh following uh consent and uh public format if we have any, we're going to go to general business. And as you remember, we started last week on some of the proposed charter amendments. So,
pick up with those where we left off. >> Uh Nikki is going to provide a recap of just our process going around and giving everybody time to to bring up their proposals. Um, and as time allows, we're going to go to two of the big agenda
items that we requested more information on last week. So, um, I guess at this point, um, do I hear a motion to approve the consent calendar? >> So moved. >> So move. All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> And oppose? No. Thank you. Uh, I don't know if we have any um >> any any cards. >> No cards. We have no cards. Okay. And no written no written comments from last
meeting either. Okay. All right. >> Well, I see Jeff Jeff. He's not going to speak. Are there some people who want to speak now? Don't have a We haven't seen any cards. That's not so carry on. Okay. All right. >> Um,
>> thanks. So Nikki is going to go through um the uh kind of recap of what we're doing and how we do it so you all can just be refreshed a little bit from where we left off last meeting. Take it away. >> Good morning everyone. Um so uh just as
a quick recap as you recall at your last meeting uh we discussed the two-step process for the committee to guide uh the introduction and discussion of proposed charter amendments. Uh as you'll see on the screen, um these are all the proposals that have been
proposed to date. Uh but just to recap the process, um we'll have the opportunity uh first to go around the table for the chair to recognize any members that have any uh additional broad ideas to be added to the list. Um again, just a reminder, no detailed
discussion or explanation at that point. Uh just the broad concept. Then uh once we go the second time around the table uh each proposal uh proposer will take a couple minutes to explain answer any questions and then the committee will vote on whether uh to advance an issue
uh for analysis to be brought back. Um just as a reminder once we get to this point we will pick up on item number three uh the county commission compensation uh which is where you left off at your last meeting. Um and again you'll still have future meetings to
propose additional ideas. Um the intent today though is to uh establish the work plan for the committee's remaining meetings so that way you guys are on the same page on where you're heading for the next few weeks. Um but yeah, I just want to interrupt. Uh we do have one uh
speaker who wants to address us before we get into that. Uh and that's Melanie Williams. Melanie, would you like to come up to the microphone? Looks like we Yes. Where's the microphone? Right over here. Just
State your name and address please for our record and you have three minutes. Uh my name is Melanie Andra Williams. My address is 3349 Argonaut Drive, Tallahassee, Florida 32312. Sorry, I just walked in. I didn't expect
to be first up. Um, I just wanted to express my support of two of the proposed um, amendments up here by uh, chairperson Stroble. >> Uh, and I want to talk in detail about
one of them. Um, and that's the one regarding food security. So, a little bit about me. I'm a mom of three and I've been living here for 14 years. I came up here to go to school at Florida&M and like many, I never left. I started a family. I have three kids now and I live on the north side on North
Meridian Road. And I just want to share that I believe that to ensure Leyon County is a healthy county, we must prioritize food security. I think this is a baseline. It's really just a bare minimum. We have to plan ahead um for a
dependable food system. Without one, we risk a continued degradation of our public safety, dignity, and our public health. Yes, we have food pantries and we have many organizations and churches that organize around this issue. However, it's not enough. I think that
relying on nonprofits to address a vital need would be a grave mistake if we continue to do so. Currently, I think that's what we do and it's an error on our part and now you all have the chance to fix it. We can't food bank our way out of structural gaps. Let's be a
prepared county and codify planning metrics and emergency feeding as a charter obligation. Um I don't have prepared statements for the other one, but I think that um we need to at least start to address the historic harms done to certain people in our community to
start to build trust with the community as a government and you know go from there. So I look forward to hearing you all debate on both of those topics. Thank you. All right. Do we have any other speakers that um just arrived? No. Hey. Hi. Okay.
Continue. Miss Hatch. >> So, uh just to wrap it up, uh those who wish to propose additional ideas to be added to the list. Uh just have your uh card turned and the chair will recognize you. again just the first time just the broad concept and then the second time
around you will have the opportunity to provide more detail and answer questions and ultimately vote whether or not you'd like an analysis to come back. So with that anybody who get order of appearance thank you okay um we
will go around I've got three people in at this point um Mr. Mr. Strobo, would you like to begin? >> Yes. So, we are adding to the list. >> Yes. >> So, I have a amendment for historic arms uh restoration, community restoration for historic arms. I don't know how to
word it, but yeah, it'll be better when we talk about it. >> Or historic. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Did you say arms? >> Arm. Hold on. Hold on. Huh? >> Really old arms or something. Cute.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Uh Barry Wilcox, please. >> Uh just a quick point of clarification. This isn't the last meeting where we could bring and >> No. No. You'll have opportunities at
each and every uh meeting going forward up until uh January. >> Thank you. Hey, >> Mr. Lewis. I'm go to rest all of them in the room. I want to talk about city and county
consolidation. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Um Mr. Early >> uh to bring back a item for discussion about a nonbinding straw ballot uh about the sale of city property uh located on
Magnolia. >> Okay. Thank you. Are there any other comments at this time? All right. Thank you. All right. Um, the chair will now recognize those uh I'm sorry, starting
with member Hurley to uh introduce and detail item number three, county commission compensation. >> Excellent. >> Thank you everyone. Um, so these items I've suggested for you today, I would consider kind of the four corners of
typical discussions around the charter. Uh, as I also recognize some of the conversations about consolidation. So, the compensation item would just have the county staff bring back information about what is in the charter right now, how we determine county commissioner
pay, and uh explaining the rationale behind that. >> Are there any other any comments on that? Any questions at all? Mr. List, did you have a comment on that? Okay. Yes. Please. Uhuh.
>> Yes. Maybe to chair for Mr. >> Hurley. >> Are you asking to look at the information beyond what's in the charter and beyond what's in the statute with regard to county
commissioner pay? >> Uh, I'm not sure how to answer that. Beyond the statute, I I think it would just be the county staff explaining what's in the charter. What is the rationale behind that in terms of how we arrived at that?
>> At this time, we're just asking for more information on this. >> Yes. >> All right. Other comments, Mr. Stro? >> Yes, sir. >> Wait, Mr. R. Um unless we have other uh Mr.
Smith. Yeah, we do have few. >> You obviously read the charter. What do you >> that I'm after a discussion about county commissioner step compensation? >> You read it, but what does it say? What what are you after? What are you trying
to get to? You want to raise the salary or do you want to lower salary? >> Well, I think this kind of conversation is what we'd have one of the items comes back. All right. It's okay now, though. >> Oh, yeah. Do I would you like to make a
motion on this issue? Is that No comments? >> So, okay. >> My comment is still pertaining to the process and it's just uh considering that we could in the near future have this filled up with 20 or 30 items. If one member was to put 10 or 15 items in
a row, it could almost filibuster anyone else from getting a chance to put to hear their item. And we have limited time. So the suggestion I would like to make is if we went instead of just in the order of each one that's listed, if we went by member as they proposed and they could do one at a time and then we come back to them. That even gives
people more time to prepare uh to defend their position of just a suggestion. >> I think it's worth uh the committee discussing there's some people that would rather have I understand what you're saying um because we want to be as efficient as we can and get to
everybody's ideas. Um I'm just not sure what the motion would be. If there's a way you want to just >> motion by member as opposed to the order of the item.
>> Does that make sense? >> No, but I'm sorry. Just a little more clarity. >> We go back to something. >> Yes. How would I try to think how to word that in motion? >> A motion that we proceed through this list
by member as opposed to by item. >> So recognizing that Hurley member Hurley's items and then yours. Um would you like to get through all of Hurley's and then get he could do one and then it would go to me then to Mr. Lewis and to
her else one then back to Hurley and kind of that work. How do I work that further motion? Well, this is kind of new territory, I think. Um, >> no bulk processing of amendments. >> Does anybody have a quarter? We can um
>> Well, yeah, >> if I may. I mean, I can voluntarily uh kind of table or dep prioritize items as well if that's easier. >> I don't know that you need to go to the business of tableabling. I think let's just let's just hear this one out and then we're going to go to the next one and just go around the room and we'll
get back to you before the day is over for sure. But not you know cuz I agree with you. We don't want to just have one person's comments respectfully. I agree. >> Okay. >> All right. So um at uh Miss Edwards.
>> No no you're okay. >> Yes, sir. Mr. Vice Chair. >> Um Madam Chair. Thank you. uh in reference to uh member Hurley's uh on compensation uh the what is it the
office of economic and demographics edr uh provides the salaries for those county commissioners all of our uh constitutional officers um and you know I I would love for the county administrator you know to speak on that
I mean and and there's a lot of factors that go into that I mean population you you know, and so forth. So, um, and then as we all know, the city just recently voted to, you know, that their compensation is tied to what the county commissioners are. So, I mean, that's
how we got to that. So, the county commissioners are not voting on their own salary, you know, whether it's up or down. These figures are provided by EDR in September or October of each year. And, uh, and that's what the county commissioners go by. And and it includes property appraisal. Like I said, all
constitutional officer, superintendent, um, uh, sheriff, school board members. So, it's a formula that they use and, um, and the more, you know, populated your county is, like Broward, I think those are the highest county commissioner salaries within the state.
So, we already have a formula and a basis for that right now. >> Yeah. Thank you. And that is, you know, part of the discussion we have if we want to go forward. Is there any more comment on that, Mr. Kesler? Dr. Kesler >> on the salaries >> be. Yes. Uh-huh. >> No,
>> not at this time. Uh, do I hear a motion to go forward on this particular item on uh the matter of uh commission compensation, county commission compensation? >> Pardon me? >> Yeah, I'll make the motion. >> You make the motion to move forward with that. Do I hear a second?
Do I hear a second? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes. Well, at this point, I mean, we can go forward >> brought back would be additional analysis on the topic. >> So, uh, beyond what Tom was just
explaining a little bit more that you would like to Yeah. >> Yeah. I would just like the item to come back to explain from staff's perspective the charter for county commissioner compensation. So at some point though, do we want to just keep bringing things back? If we I
would like to see if we have uh the u willingness of this board to go forward with this particular item re either deal with it today or go forward because it has been pardon me. >> It fails without a second. >> I know we had conversation over here. I
just want but yeah, >> you made a motion. You asked for a second. There was none. >> That's all I like. All right. Um I was trying to respectfully get Mr. Haynes a chance to speak on that. Um All right. We'll go forward with this. U what I
don't want to do is just bring us back for more information. >> So it's not they failed. >> Right. So this is not coming back for more information just for clarity. This is just to declare it. We hadn't have a second on this. So the motion dies for lack of a second
and we'll move on to the next item which at this point will be which is a second coming up after. >> So the committee didn't are we sticking with the he didn't vote otherwise. >> We didn't vote. We didn't get a second on it so there's no vote. >> So the next on the list is the funding
mechanism for affordable housing. Member Hurley, >> I would like to table this item in number five. Uh so that I can we can get to the bill of rights. >> Okay. Um >> do I hear a second to table this motion? >> What?
>> You made a motion to table motion. I mean that I'm just stating that I'm I wasn't going to make a motion. >> No, I I think you to table. I think you make a motion to table it. Am I correct? >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. And I need a second on that >> to to table it.
>> Okay. The motion's been made and seconded to table this motion which would >> madam chair >> commissioner >> based upon the recommendation of Dr. Strobble which you accepted would be that after we dealt
with commission member hurls >> we're going forward to the yeah >> would go to another member's recommendation rather than go proceed in the order in which they >> that's right my apology >> so it really >> I would like to go ahead and dispense with this one if you don't mind and then
we'll go back to Mr. Stroble. Motion's been made and seconded to table uh the uh next item that on four four and five. No. Yeah. All of the all of them. >> No. >> Four and five. >> Four and five. Four and five. All those
in favor of tableabling four and five, please uh say so by saying yes. >> Those opposed, no. Okay, they're tabled. All right, we're going to move on to Mr. Stroals number seven. That's yours, Dr.
Strobble. Mhm. >> I just regard share of the >> Yeah. You want to pass it around? Thank you. >> We have Sab to help. >> So, we have um >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you everyone. What I'm
passing around is just a proposed just some general ideas about how we could approach food security um in the charter. What you'll see um in this document that I'm sharing with you is just some brief information about what the county is facing in terms of food security. If any of you have ever dealt
with hunger in any capacity, even for a short period of time, you know that when you are hungry, you're not in your best state of mind. You're not able to make the best decisions. You're not able to plan for the long term, engage in local politics. There's a lot of things that hunger debilitates. So, I want us to
consider looking at a potential change in our charter that allows us as a county to address um food insecurity, but as we heard from our speaker earlier, not by solely depending on food banks, our only emergency response as something that we prioritize and we make
it a responsibility of the county as the county makes decisions to consider the impact on food security and uh to move us towards localized food sovereignty as a county. And what that means is that Leyon County, the city of Tallahassee,
and all partners involved would start to take more of a responsibility in making sure that all of our citizens have food access. It's a a growing problem. We know that 30,000 Leon County residents are food insecure currently. We know that this primarily hurts black households, single mothers, and our
seniors, and particularly the 32304 zip code. Uh we have great food relief programs, but that's not enough. We see what they're doing in other communities in New York. They include it in their charter. Um, it mandates a office of food policy and a 10-year food plan, a
10-year full plan. Toronto and Vancouver also have food charters as well. I found one in South America. They're doing this as well and it's happening in Maine and other counties and other municipalities are considering such action. I'm I have three options that we could consider here and I'm open to other ideas as
well, but an office of food access, perhaps a amendment to article one of the charter which adds food access and food systems resilience as a constitutional county responsibility and also updating the preamble and on the
opening of the charter which will add language affirming equitable access to nutritious food as a guiding value for the county. I think this is incredibly important considering what we're facing. We all saw what happened with the shutdown recently. We had hundreds if not thousands of residents in our county
who didn't know where their next meal would come from and I don't think we could afford to be in that situation in the near future. So I would ask that we consider getting more information on how we could structure this um and how we can move forward with it. Thank you. >> Second, >> Mr. Jones.
>> Yes. If you offer a motion, I'll second for advancement for analysis. >> So, obviously in >> Was there a motion? >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> You're offering a second, but >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> We've got a motion. Is that what your motion is? Motion has been made and
seconded to move forward for more information on this product. >> Are there comments before we vote? >> Yes, sir. Um, so the funding is something we could get more information on different funding ideas, but in different locations is generally funded from the
and I couldn't speak to all of them, but I know for example, New York, it's a tax funded office, but the purpose is monitoring, assessing, and identifying where your food systems resilience challenges are so that you can be ahead of them instead of trying to respond on the back end. So, uh, how that office
gets structured, that would come down more so to the purview of the county commissioners, but mandating it in the charter, um, would be something that if we gave the voters a chance to vote on, we could set it up so that we at least establish that baseline. >> And if you talk to like Second Harvest
for their season, >> I would love to get Second Harvest's input into this. I've been talking with members of a food policy council that's being established here in Lyon County which involves um it'll involve the
county second harvest other food service providers uh farmers grocerers and so forth and there this is something that will be an ongoing discussion. So at this point we're asking for more information on that. >> I just curious what the county vents or anybody's notice. Madam Chair, just to
respond to the question. >> Sure. Should this motion pass, uh, we will bring back all the information that's been requested and then some. I think it would be important for the committee. We recognize that that not everyone works on these issues every
day. We do. Uh and so uh the board regularly receives very comprehensive updates on this issue and I think the uh committee would be well served by getting all of that along with structural options and you all can process all that information and provide direction again should this motion uh
pass. >> Okay, Miss Bon Andrews, did you have comment on that? Would you like for sure? Would you like to It's >> been over a while. >> I know. I've been trying to think. Okay. All right. Motion. Yes. M favors. Does the does the county currently have an
office of resilience or anything similar to that? And is is that where something like this would fall? >> We do. And and but this this focus primarily resides in our office of human services and community partnerships where we align both of our funding as
well as leverage all the resources in the community to address high priority issues like this one. And so again, real quick turnaround for us on something like this because we regularly provide it to the board and and again I think everyone would benefit from that information. >> Thank you. >> Okay, thanks uh Mr. Ray.
>> Yeah, just wanted to thank the sponsor of this good idea. I think it's a worthwhile conversation. I'm looking forward to supporting it. >> Thanks. Thanks very much. respond Edwards >> question but um sales tax that was passed the children services counselor
does it have a sunset or um is it just forever and ever >> the sunset >> shaped in Minnesota >> expires after >> after the sunset >> 13 years or something
>> good afternoon yeah it's um set for um sunset 2032 unless it's um renewed by the citizens of M County >> and and I guess what brought me to that was whether or not there could be some tie in perhaps to the sunset date for that so that the funding could perhaps
come with that just a suggestion. Um but since it's not set to um sunset until 2032, that's a long time to wait for uh additional money. But again, just a thought, >> right, Dr. Robinson?
>> Um I would just um ask the staff to also look at uh where we may look at some uh federal help with this. This falls right in line with the uh MA um movement, make America healthy again. So, we may be
able to weave something in there. Um, we have rural pockets in Lyon County. Tallahassee proper is considered urban, but you're talking we need to look at the rural health transformation act out that's coming out that may help us um
put some legs, some financial legs under this. So, just kind of >> pencil that in the margin somewhere and see where we can jump in. >> Good suggestions. All right. I'm going to go ahead and take a vote on this. All in favor, the motion's been made and seconded to move forward with this for
more information. All those in favor say I. I. >> Those opposed, no. Thank you very much. Next item. >> Right. We will go back to memberurley for discussion on the Lyon County Bill of Rights. Um,
>> excuse me. Can Can we move next to >> Lewis? Yeah, >> member Lew. >> Yes, >> we're going roundroin here. That's the word you were looking for. Round robin. >> Rounding. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I didn't come prepared to do a handout
on >> the need for for was to look at consolidation of our two governments. Uh I think over the past several years uh most of us who live here have seen a lot of disorder and discontent with how
our government's operating uh either singly or collectively. And there is an opportunity now for us to consider whether or not it is financially feasible, uh, administratively feasible and governmentally feasible for us to
look at moving two governments from a one block across from one another to together in that regard. And I think there's a lot of economies of scale. I know there's a lot of other issues that would preclude that from happening, but I think as a as a charter review that
won't come back before us before another 8 years that this is an opportune time for us to look at item and I understand that staff is already doing some at the direction of city county commission and I think this is appropriate time for us as a charter review committee to receive
that information and take any action that this committee deems appropriate. Second. >> Oh, sorry. Motion's been made and seconded to move forward for more information on consolidation of city and county government. All those in favor of moving
forward say I. >> I. >> Those opposed, nay. >> Nay. >> Thank you. >> All right. We will do a roll call vote. Uh Joey Davis, >> can I can I give one more restatement of the motion, please?
>> To bring back uh additional analysis on uh the proposal related to consolidation of county and city government. >> Uh I >> Linda Bon Edwards. >> Liz Ellis. >> Anita Favorvers. >> Yes.
>> Max Hurley. >> Nay. >> Daryl Jones. >> Yes. Howard Kesler, >> yes. >> Henry Lewis, >> Heidi Outweight, >> yes. >> Sean is uh >> uh Ryan Ray, >> no.
>> Uh Shamariel Robersonson, >> yes. >> Temple Robinson, >> yes. >> William Smith. >> Bruce Stroble, >> yes. >> Jared Terry, >> yes. >> Katrina Tugerson. >> Barry Wilcox, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Haynes, >> yes. and Chair Lley.
>> Yes. >> Motion carries. And uh we have a roll call vote. >> Yep. >> That's two nay and 17 yay. >> How many people do we have absent? >> So, next is Hurley.
>> All right. Up next, we have uh number six, the Bill of Rights by member Hurley. Um this uh was a part of the handout that Hurley uh member Hurley provided a couple weeks ago at your meeting. Um recognizing members may not have that on hand. Uh we have printed
copies available. Um just so everybody is uh looking at the same material. So, uh, I had shared with you all some thoughts about what might be in a Leyon County Bill of Rights. And coming back
to you in the blue sheet is what that was uh, as it was presented about a month ago. And then also, you're getting passed around right now, the Miami Dade County Home Rule Charter. And so if you look at this charter, the way their charter starts out, they've got their
preamble and then on the starting on the second page, they have their citizens bill of rights. And so they have 17 they have excuse me, >> right? We >> Oh, it's Yeah, it's okay. >> Um, so they have it's three or four
pages here. Um, I would like us to consider uh what this similar type of preamble and and document would look like on the Lyon County uh charter. I really am not uh I I would love you all's feedback on what that would look like, what would be in a
bill of rights. And um this is just for staff to bring back information. And so I guess I would I would be interested in staff bringing back information about what other counties have uh citizen bill of rights in them and what that might include.
>> Okay. >> Was that a motion? >> Yes. So, we I would make a motion to have staff bring back information about what other counties do in Florida for the Citizens Bill of Rights. Um something to just get us started about
what the landscape would would be for that. >> I second for further discussion just rice have questions. I just >> not on. Sorry about that. Miss Bond
Edwards did. Don't >> not on this issue. >> Okay. With that. All right. Mr. Smith, >> what do you what does this bill arise accomplish? >> Our comprehensive plan in Lyon County that governs the future of our
community's growth. It has like the US Constitution. It there is a document that is the highest form of it and then beneath it uh there's rules and in a federal level there's uh laws that
Congress passes and what you'll find is the the higher up that kind of pyramid of law you go um the more visionoriented the statements get. So like in the comp plan at the very beginning uh their value statements um it says things like
uh it addresses how people can interact with the land and the modifications to the charter would be about how as people we interact with the government similar to what is in the US constitution what
is in the Florida constitution. If I may, Madame Chair. >> Sir, >> the reason I seconded it that the staff would come back with it is because unlike the document that we have here before us, which is Miami Dads, that I
would think that our Lyon County Bill of Rights would be emblematic of what we hold as our values, operating in the sunshine, uh making certain that we at all of our public meetings all have opportunity for
public comment. Those things that already exist would be but would be codified as values in terms of how we operate as a community. And so it would be germanine to us and then because it would be a document that would have its
life start here at the charter review committee level. there would be opportunity for us to add to whatever the recommendations that would come to staff as things that we hold sacraite that we prioritize. For example, if uh
we were to create uh prioritization of food security that that might also find its place in here if that were a recommendation coming to us. if we prioritize affordable housing that that too would find itself and no different
than any bill of rights that is supposed to be emblematic of a country or a nation's values. we would do the same thing at Lyon County. And that's why I second it because that is what I would hope would be the manifestation ultimately first starting with the recommendation coming from the staff and
then whatever else we would add as a charter review committee to populate that document. >> And probably just to be clear, this is just as an an example. It's just an example. It's not a um prototype, I don't think, in any means. And and then as you all saw on what he handed out
originally, there are 10 different pieces that you'd like us to to discover, you know, to discuss later on. So at this point, um without further >> clarify, >> sure. Yeah, let's certainly. >> Um I think this question may be for
legal. So with the bill of rights, like these things are very similar to what's in statute about public records. So does a bill of rights like provide any like legal coverage trump you know some s like what does it do legally and how the
implement and upheld >> right attorney want to speak to that sure >> uh that would have to be hello okay um that would have to be determined because uh the first 10
amendments in the US constitution actually are legal rights. They are not emblematic of values or well they are but there are actual legal causes of action associated with those which seems to not be consistent with what uh member
Jones is talking about. Um and that is something that would have to be discussed to the extent it created rights. Of course, that would be subject to the same analysis. Everything else that the committee is considering related to laws would require, which is
an an assessment and evaluation of current laws at the federal and state level and areas where we be would be preemptive from acting. Does it like I'm I'm trying to ask like what does a bill of rights do like for the general public? Like what does it do?
And I would love to have uh give the county attorney's office more time to review it. And like specifically answering that question you just raised with even this document. I I would love to know to what extent that I'm sure you know this has been in the Miami date charter for a long time. And so I know that these issues have come up legally
and it'll give her an opportunity her office an opportunity to get information. >> Thank you. Miss Olay. >> These are values to enforce. >> Mr. Wilcox, >> clarification on the motion. My understanding was it was just a motion
to bring back information on what other counties in the state of Florida might have a bill of rights. That was specifically the motion to bring back what other counties are doing, not just Miami Day, but if there are other correct others that have bill rights. All right. All right. Going forward then, we're
going to make a have motion's been made and seconded on moving forward with the Bill of Rights discussion. Pardon me. >> I'm sorry. >> Just quickly to clarify and kind of speak towards um uh the uh committee members um question. A lot of the bill
bills of rights that are currently in statute, firefighters, police, several others, they generally speak to areas where there are gaps either either in statute. A lot of what you see here in the Miami Day document um are speaking
to things that are probably dealt with within their ordinance that could be changed at will by the commission. Right? These would then be the rights of the members through the charter that the commission could not supersede. Right?
So, so while Vince does a great job and they do a great job of providing budgets and giving reports, this then enforces the what level to which you expect that county government to to interact. >> I would think that's something a county attorney would address just how that
enforcement would go. Um, just as chair, if there are no other comments, I'm just concerned about how you would get this much information on a charter on a ballot. I think I, you know, I'd be interested in seeing how that would shake down as well.
All right. All those in favor of moving forward with the uh motion to consider um a bill of rights for our county, please indicate by saying I. >> And those opposed, no. No.
>> To have a roll call vote on this end. Thank you. >> Starting with Joey Davis. >> Hi. >> Uh, Linda Bon Edwards. >> No. >> Liz Ellis. >> No. >> Anita Favors. >> Hi. >> Max Hurley. >> Hi. >> Daryl Jones.
>> Howard Kesler. >> Hi. >> Henry Lewis. >> Heidi Altway. >> Hi. >> Ryan. Ryan Ray. >> No. >> Shamario Robersonson. >> No. >> Temple Robinson. Yes. >> William Smith. >> Bruce Stroble.
>> Yes. >> Jared Terry. >> Yes. >> Katrina Tugerson. >> Yes. >> Barry Wilcox. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Haynes. >> Yes. >> Chair Lley. >> No. Seven day. 10 day.
>> Motion passes 10 to seven. Is that correct? Thank you. All right. Next item. back to Mr. Stroll. >> She wanted >> Oh, I'm sorry. Just just
>> just put it up when you want to talk and down when you're finished and back. You can go up and All right. >> Don't leave it up here. >> I mean, the water I think we have 19 members here and that number that was given as a vote doesn't
add up to 19. want to review the vote >> 12 to 7. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for clarifying that. Okay. All right. Now, again, I I missed my turn on
the round log for new topics. So, >> and I don't know if that's if I'm in order to do that or if there's another opportunity to do so. Do you want me now before we start on that? >> Okay, let's go with that first and then we'll come right back to you. Just Yeah, thank you.
>> Is the charter it has to do with limitation on campaigns. >> The limit is currently $200 per election for uh county officers. I believe that
uh during the recent charter review for the city of Tallahassee, that amount went to 1,000 $1,000 for um for county office. And so the 250 >> action would be for us to consider whether that amount needs to be
>> increase, stay the same or whatever for county office, right? I I do think there's is there some state law on that needs to be addressed? Hello. Yes. Uh yes, there's an editor's note at the bottom of section uh 3.4
which identifies uh chapter 2021-16 laws of Florida which basically rendered that current provision in our code void. We are preempted by state law. >> So what is the current amount? >> I think it's 500 or something like that.
>> I think I think it's a thousand,000. Yeah. Yep. >> Yeah. preeemption. Yeah. Okay. All right. >> Um, Mr. Davis, did you have a comment on that or you just you just
playing by these? Thank you. All right. Back to you, Dr. Stro. >> Hey. Um, so this is for restoring communities from historic harms. We know that Lyon County has ongoing disparities and well housing environmental exposure and neighborhood opportunities. These
inequities again align closely with historic patterns of public policy that was put forth in Lyon County dating from its inception well through certain changes. In February 2024, the board of county commissioners formally acknowledge and apologize for the
county's role in these systems of harm. Uh so the policy I'm proposing will be an amendment to the charter which seeks to restore communities impacted by harmful public policy with the idea of providing structural authority continuity and long-term mandates
necessary to address these historic harms. I do have a policy brief prepared. However, I didn't know if I could share it with the group ahead of the meeting. So I don't um I could send it in in the afterwards for everyone to take a more detailed look at it. But generally what we're looking at is a
charter level provision that would uh set the county in a direction of uh creating the necessary programs to mitigate these harms that have been apologized for in the past. >> And that's your motion. Do I hear a second on this motion? >> Second.
>> Motion's been made and seconded to move forward with again I guess it's with more information and you will also provide some information on that. >> Correct. Are there any comments on this? >> Miss Favors. >> So, is it appropriate for Dr. Stroble to
pass out? >> Do you have it to pass out now? >> Electronic. >> It's online. >> So, I need to email it. So, I need >> Okay. >> And then if you I'm sorry. >> I can distribute it electronically to all the members. Um or we can include it as an attachment. We we can decide. And
am I right that when we get that electronically, we're not to discuss it back and forth at all online >> outside of the meeting? Got it. >> So you you will give it to us before the next meeting. Correct. >> If the motion passes, yes. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah, that's not I I Is there any way you could provide an example of what you're talking about so that we can have a little bit of context before we make a vote, please? >> Yes. And you and you need an example of the historic arms or >> Yes. Yes, please. One example of what you specifically asking for community
restoration for historic harm. So, an example of historic harm. >> Okay. So, um one example would be urban renewal demolished 244 structures in Smoky Hollow neighborhood displacing 1,200 residents. Uh there are there was
a convict leasing program that was operated by the county that targeted specific residents and caused long-term community harm. So when I I speak to restoration, it's the county has already made the apology in February 2024. So I'm suggesting programming that goes
along with it to look at what harm was actually done, identify what was caused, and then look for ways to mitigate it. >> Thank you. >> Are there other questions, Mr. Smith? >> Sorry, William. Process for what? for
what he's talking about around the store power >> the mitigation or or any of those items >> speak specifically to anything I mean I it would be innumerable policies that have been put in place to address issues like this this is a little bit more specific obviously what committee member
Strobel is articulating is to have something in the charter which again further it appears would would uh identify policies to be developed to be budgeted to address specific issues. It would be
again it would require significant analysis for us to bring that back to you to to kind of help you get your arms around it. >> Are there other questions? Mr. Robinson Mr. Rollins, excuse me.
>> Is that like defined somewhere in the statute or county ordinances? That's my first question. Is that defined? >> I don't believe so. And then apologies that have been documented. Are those like written apologies verbal that you define?
>> Yes, there was a resolution I believe adopted by the board. Yeah, I think it was more it was general. It was sort of a general statement at the time, but again, should this motion pass, we'd be happy to bring that back. >> Right. Uh Mr. Lewis,
>> let me give you a national example. Then Surgeon General David Satcher appointed a committee that I served on to look at the Tuskegee syphilis experiment in which over 300 black men were impregnated with syphilis and not treated by the United States Public
Health Service. As a result of that committee, then President Bill Clinton and our recommendation to him apologized to the nation uh in a White House ceremony that I also attended that uh and then appropriated $300 million to
look at by ethical about unethical studies with black and underserved populations. uh they then put in the statute in the United States public health service how clinical research must be done particularly as it relates to minority and underserved communities
in that regard. >> Yeah, that's a tremendous tremendous example. Yeah. Are there other comments on that? Um Mugerson. >> Yeah.
But >> can it be adjusted where they also look at the displaced businesses um that are in those areas as well? >> What did you say? I didn't understand you. What? I didn't understand what you said. >> What I'm trying to say is a lot of the
area that he mentioned also um is in our CRA district in our community. So, can something like that for displaced businesses or do something like that already exist if we are if they're experiencing where they have to move um out of those particular areas as well?
Can it be adjusted to that >> to them? I would be open to it, but I think that would be makes sense >> to the friendly. >> That's up to you if you want to amend your motion. >> Yes, I would accept that. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. Without further
comments, uh, go ahead and take a vote. The motion's been made and seconded to move forward on, um, not exactly sure how to put it, but restoration for historic harm throughout the community. So, all those in favor of moving forward, if this say I. >> I.
>> Those opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you. the uh the last the last on the list number 10 uh non-binding poll question regarding the sale of city property. Uh I believe you said on Magnolia >> um member Hurley.
>> So uh I would really like to >> just add his name to >> introduce this concept and uh perhaps not even make a motion on it. I just want to have you all marinate on this concept, which is that
we have the ability as the charter review committee to place non-binding what Florida statute refers to as straw ballots on the general election ballot. That is a key limitation of the straw
ballot mechanism is that they can only be on uh that you can't call a special election for a straw ballot. So we cannot call a special election to ask a question. And because it is non-binding, there's nothing prohibiting this body
from asking a question like, "Shall the city of Tallahassee work to sell or transfer city property located on Magnolia, commonly referred to as
Tallahassee Memorial Hospital. Um and uh county attorney, would you uh can you address the question of the straw ballot in in terms of does this body have the ability to put non-binding questions on a ballot? >> Oh, sure. Recognizing of course
>> um the county has the authority. So this that is something this body can request that the county commission put a straw ballot on the ballot. It would be up to the county commission to decide whether to do that, but the county commission has that
authority under section 1251. Um, so did I hear in there that uh it's not the county attorney's position that we uh this body ourselves can I I guess is was there a distinction in there in how every one of these other
ones was done? >> The process for all of these would be the same whether it's straw ballot or not. Ultimately they go to the county commission to determine whether the county commission agrees to put them on the ballot. This body does not act unilaterally. >> Okay. Understood. Are there other
questions on that? >> Did you make a motion to that? >> Yeah. And I I don't intend to make a motion. I would like to introduce this idea to you all and I'd like you all to think about it. Uh it is an option that we have in our community. It's obviously a very important issue and uh it's
something I'd like you all to consider. >> The table points the table items. >> Oh, ready to take up table items now. Okay. Okay. So everybody at that point then we're just a topic to think about. So okay. All right. So now we're going to go back to the items that you tabled
earlier. Uh >> well and I would also just defer to the entire board in terms of does anyone I mean for example committee member Edwards brought up another idea and if anyone >> would like to okay I'll manage that if that's necessary. I don't see any other cards on the table but
>> Okay. >> If there are Okay. Thank you for your help. >> So, did you want to go to >> We're going to go forward with your tabled issues. >> Uh this has been an uh affordable housing and its funding has
obviously been a discussion in our community for a long time. Where some of those conversations have gone is blueprint. um in terms of changing blueprint and it's been brought up at various times that uh
there's a cap at the state level or how much sales tax any one government can put on and as I understand it Leyon County is currently capped. Um a lot of times we have these discussions city or county or blueprint together and the conversation usually ends with well we'd
have to look at Florida statute and see what tools are available and and what could be done. And so this item would bring back information before this body looking at is there any potential could uh way to find a funding mechanism for affordable housing.
>> Is that a so I'd like to make that a motion. Yeah. >> Motion's been made and second and to bring back for further review information on uh affordable housing. Um, I don't know if you're speaking
about ordinances or just a statement. I'm not quite sure. >> Funding of funding. Funding. >> Other questions. >> Yeah, Mr. Jones. Madam Chair, but I >> what I can imagine would would could
potentially come from this would be information whether it be MSTUS or or or we included in the budget, but all the different options that are available to us in terms of providing a a sustainable
mechanism by which affordable housing is addressed by Lyon County and what all those options would look like. So, and so I that's why I provide the second because I would be interested in knowing that information. >> What's going on now? >> Yes. >> Right. Yeah. Dr. Robinson,
>> I'm I'm in favor of this, of course, but my question is where would this lie? We're talking about a charter abuse. Where would this lie in the charter or would this maybe go along with the
commission? we want to have looking at um preservation of of food assistance and so forth. I'm just trying to see we need this, but is this a charter thing or is this something we need to take to the county commissioner?
>> And if I'm Could I just ask a question too? I mean, is this something It seems like the county commission has already handled this. I'm not sure what the upshot is, but I know it's been discussed on the county quite a bit. Could you speak to that? Sure. Happy to.
Uh, Mr. Administrator, >> chair. Yeah. the like many issues that you all are talking about today. Again, um in concept, we can all I'm sure this this entire group can can agree that most of these are important issues and you the issue that you're going to have
to decide is when you get additional information is is uh the issue being adequately addressed and are there additional avenues that can be facilitated through a charter to do more and so the analysis would answer those questions. >> Yeah. So, one of the things that we all
are, you know, have to keep in mind is we're not another county commission. So, we're we don't want to we're not trying to overstep or tell them exactly what to do. We're telling them what we're interested in them doing. But adding to the charter is a whole different a whole different level of what we're thinking
about. So, yeah, Commissioner Jones for me. funding mechanism for affordable housing is any different than the prioritization of food security other than the op rather than the words. Right? And so if
both are what we see as community challenges that we hope to address, I don't see a difference between one and the other than the information that would come back and then what we would then subsequently recommend potentially if it does fit into the charter review
question, but that we would create it as a a sustainable pillar is what we would hope the charter this charter process does for both of those items. Yeah. Dr. Robinson have a question on that. >> Trying to be careful.
I'm on a slippery slope here. No, I can't be reckless. I'm going to table my comments for now. >> Okay. All right, Mr. Mr. Will >> with this request is it possible that we
ask when is brought back that it's with potential charter action that could address the issue? So that question >> that was my question. >> Oh okay. >> And that's probably something each and every analysis is going to bring to us. >> Yes. And and just to clarify and we sort
of laid a lot of this out at the outset. You're you're going sort of obviously in steps here. So the next step when generally when it that's that's sort of putting two steps together a little bit and it's it may not be something the board wants to do. The first step is do you all believe that something represents an issue significant enough
to be brought back as an agenda item? If it does you all consider that all that information and then you decide based on that does does the issue warrant uh giving staff the direction to then bring back proposed charter amendments on that issue which is another tier of of consideration uh that you all again will
have to consider. So, that's generally the way it's laid out. Um, again, if that's helpful. Thank you. >> Okay, I'm back. >> You're back. Okay. >> This is evidence. I have not done all of my homework. I do know that we prioritize in Lyon County access to
primary care services for our residents that live 100% or lower of the federal poverty um level. Um however we have not prioritized
extend uh funding uh funding changes and enhancements over the past almost 10 years. So as we look at food security and we look at affordable housing, we also need to look at the sustainability and the
expansion of access to primary care services for our low-income residents and those residents that are between 100% and 150 or 200%. What does this have to do with
the charter? Not quite sure, but if we're going to lump food security, >> housing, >> health security, housing security, and a bill of rights for our um residents here, then that's something that we need
to start thinking about. Um, and how then do we package this and take it to the county commission for their consideration? And >> and that seems to me that would be something that if we go forward with with this piece on just the funding, we get more information on it. But at some
point when we're all discussing it, we would be able to say, "Let's kind of pull these all together in some way, whether in the Bill of Rights or single issue somehow." Um, is that Yeah, Mr. County, >> just a point of order. We do have a
motion and a second on the floor. I think committee member Robinson is potentially introducing a new topic which is fine but we do need to take a vote on the pending motion. >> Yeah. So just looking on down the road we can get into that. Um are there other
comments on that? >> You're finished with that? Okay. A motion is seconded on the floor then to get uh financial information from all the sources that are now working on affordable housing issues. All those in favor of moving forward say I. >> I.
>> And those opposed, no. Motion carries. Thank you. Yes, sir. >> Please. Here. Now, what can this >> I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? >> Second. I think her comment is well
placed because what off the two that we have before us potentially the third that she will recommend this goes back to and and all of us are appointed from our respective commissioners and bring our perspectives to bear but there is a
certain uniformity and for us as a community value and that is catering to the vulnerable and I can't imagine that a charter that talks of that that informs what we see as sustainable values as a
community. How depending upon how it is messaged, how the legislation or the language is prepared for our ultimate um management that we can't find ways that catering to the vulnerable are not
manifest as a part of our charter. And I'm certain that as we as the information comes back to us for us to digest, we will then gain additional perspective from from the leadership from our from our capable administrator
and and attorneys and staff that will help us to create it in such a way that it does become charter review ready such that we can possibly if if it is something that we ultimately decide. But
I would not I I don't know that we have been hamstringed by what we can't discuss for charter review. So options to cater to the vulnerable I certain certainly would hope would be a part of our conversation. >> It has been this morning.
>> Um okay at this point then we're going to move on to the next item which is uh funding mechanism for fire services and that >> do you still oh I'm sorry Dr. sit down there. You heard your cardiff. I'm sorry. I didn't see it. Apologies.
>> The part about access to primary care. Are we going to discuss that now or is it later? >> Uh I we've already voted on that particular motion unless I mean on the on the motion that were we discussing it. Primary care was not. I
was >> thinking that might come up when we get the information back from the staff. But what I mean, we could move forward with that as a separate issue. >> That wasn't part of the motion, but a committee member could put a new item on the list.
>> It could come up separately if you'd like to do that for >> or Dr. Robinson or somebody if you want to put that on as a next item. We now have nine, but we can add >> whenever's the right time to do it. >> I think. Go ahead. >> My turn. >> Yeah, do it now. Let's word it as
funding uh mechanism to expand the existing um primary care services for the young um >> second >> funding mechanism to ex expand access to
primary care services income young because we do have >> motion's been made. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> We hear several seconds. Thank you. All right. Uh yeah, doctor. >> So,
>> excuse me. >> To the point um that she made, AA is pending a decision on rural health transformation dollars um that's going to improve workforce development, expanding access to primary and preventative care, specialty care
technology. But we're talking a tune of like more than $50 million that's set to come to the state starting um a decision will be will be made by bless you by December the 30th. And so this money is
that we're talking about will come in the spring. So as we think about this consideration, I do think when they bring back the county analysis that if a action is warranted for this, you want to take action fast because the procurement process for these dollars to
come to entities, municipalities, etc. is going to move pretty quickly. >> And um one point to note, I do know that they recognize um what's called a Ruka code, which is a rural area in a urban area. And so I think when that analysis
is done like documenting the rural areas that are designated directly in Lyon County is very important and there may be some timely action that's required to access those funds immediately. Just putting it out out there as a point of information >> could be. Yeah,
>> absolutely. And the statewide listening sessions and webinars started this week. >> Okay. Thank you. moving forward with the vote on on this additional issue of uh for discussion on um expanding
primary care healthc care here in the community. Motion's been made and seconded. Um all those in favor say I. >> I. And those opposed, no. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
Back to number Yeah. Number five, the funding mechanism for fire services. >> So, in Lyon County, uh well, Mr. County Administrator, would you
would you like to give us a maybe a 30 second explanation of how we fund currently? >> Sure, Madam Chair. the uh so fire uh services are uh funded through a fire services fee uh that are that is um I'm
sorry assessment there's a legal distinction this happens a lot between us uh and and a fire services assessment and um which uh is uh and there's a basically the the fee is established based on the level of fire protection to
a home. Uh there are two zones, so there are two different fees depending on your proximity to a fire department. Uh and and or I should say two fire fighting um apparatus and CA and capabilities and that sort of thing. Again, the fee is one that is um uh adopted by both the
city and the county commissions. It has historically been uh one that the uh the city and county commissions agree to a 5-year fee, which is locked in over a 5-year period of time to provide some certainty and stability in that fee structure. uh and it's how we fund fire in the community. Um it's a it's a
common way to fund fire uh services in Florida. It's not the only way to do it. Uh but it's a common way to do it. And um happy to elaborate. Uh so um the two other ways that are typically
done are um through the mill and through uh the an assessment uh levied by a fire services district. Are those the three generally at the landscape? >> There are there are fire taxing districts which can be independent or
dependent districts that stand on their own for the lack of a better term uh from the uh from from the the local government. Uh again, they have their own uh millage rates that are available to them under law. So again, you could establish dependent or
independent fire districts. You can also fund fire um in any other way that it's allowable. Uh and again to include uh funding fire through property taxes. >> Um thank thank you. Um so
where we're at now is that uh there's obviously some disagreement between the city and county on the current round of the fire services fee. And my intention with this is to um allow us to have a backup plan, a backup rail um for the
funding of fire services fee. And when I say that, I mean 4 months from now, 8 months from now. Um the county commission is currently looking at this. Uh, and this action that this body would take of having more information preserves the Lyon County
Commission's um ability to have all options on the table as they go through the spring um in the next several months and and look at how they're going to address this problem. So, the uh motion I'd like to make is um to have uh staff u come back with some uh thoughts about
how we fund fire services in Lyon County. Second >> made a second to bring back further information on funding mechanism require services throughout. >> Madam Chair,
>> I have a question. >> Uh yeah, >> the question that I would have is doesn't the county already have that authority that would not require any kind of charter amendment, would it? >> Good, Madam Chair. Certainly. >> Um, sure. And I'll just say again, you you notice staff, we're very conscious
about uh stepping on any motions here or anything. When we bring back additional information, we'll be bringing what I'm about to say back as well. You all are drifting into uh policy uh areas and which is okay. You've got some ability to do that. You may remember uh in my
introductory presentation, it was it was uh very entertaining. You all seem to really enjoy it. Very thorough. Uh but I talked about then sort of the the nature of this is that if if the if the body has the ability to address issues through ordinances through their action
generally speaking those are not issues that you find in charters. Generally there are some exceptions and they are exceptions in the uh for example a couple of recent charters have included um language relative to affordable housing for example. So there are
exceptions. Um but generally speaking, charter amendments go to the power, structure and authority of the government. Again, what's the composition of the board? How is how's the organization structured? They generally because if you do, if you continue sort of down this road, it's
easy for everyone to see obviously that you could name any issue up here. You could say environmental issues should be funded at the highest level and they should be the highest priority and you can say this issue and that issue. we could load it up and go through it would have very little practical impact. The the real impact is to have those
addition issues addressed by the board in their strategic plans which are aligned with their budgets and carried out by staff and and you guys get the point there. So again a lot of that information when we bring this information back to you this is just um um uh foreshadowing. We we'll come back
and tell you again these are issues which have been addressed which are being addressed and then again you all can can decide is this one of those sort of what I would call exceptions in in the area of policy but yes um Anita uh we we um are addressing uh that issue
actively including um current um study to identify alternative funding models for fire. So also, I mean, it's probably pur of all of us to consider just staff time if we continue to just toss out things that we'd like to know more about because this isn't government 101. Is
that what you teach, Vince? >> Okay. >> Sometimes, you know, we do want to be prudent about how much we're just kind of curious for more information and what would really be beneficial. And we do have uh we have 45 minutes left in this meeting. We have two uh two
uh presentations on the things we asked for last time. So we have quite a bit more to get through today. So um without further ado, Mr. Smith, you have a comment on this. >> Ones that are after like funding pieces,
where's that money coming from? Is that part of this group to decide where that money comes from or where I mean some of them are great ideas, but they got we got to pay for them. And how who's coming up with that money or is that how does that work? Yeah,
>> your question is Jordan or I don't know who was correct but yeah >> it was as a maker of the motion um this is to look at the when you know mechanism really should be plural uh look at the options for how and we the it may we may come back and say but
there are no options >> yeah I'm not just talking about the fire service I'm talking about affordable housing I'm talking about food security I mean all this stuff that they're great ideas but they they got to have money and I don't know And >> that would be part of the staff information I'm assuming as well. It
would be key to that. Mr. Lewis, do you have a question? >> All over again mid 80s. Uh the city and the county found itself in the exact same spot that we are now guarding fire services. And uh we had had a number of
tragic fires in our little communities. We had uh insurance premiums in the rural area uh skyhigh at the time and the commissions at the time could not see how to high. Vince was assistant city manager at that time. Uh we did
seek alternatives to fire services and we did find a company in Dallas, Texas who made a very strong bid to do our services for Leon County and the two commissions into their better census, if
I can use that term, and solve it to uh keep fire services local >> as they should now >> and uh work out a deal that was uh amunable both fiscally county and uh to betterment of the citizens of county and
I hope that our two commissions can do the same thing right now. >> And to and to tremendous >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And to your point, I mean, one of the things about the charter, our job is not to solve problems for the locally elected county and city commissions.
This is not our job, even though we would love to try. Huh. Okay. >> Dr. Robinson, did you have a comment? And I guess not to speak for my colleagues at the table, but when we look at things such as affordable housing, food security, access to primary care, and then we look at the
charter, I think that if we word it in such a way that it that these concepts are in the charter under the heading of the the welfare of the citizens of Lyon County
and that it is prioritized in the charter, >> correct? Then we can now have any citizen stand before the county commission and say look this is prioritized in our charter. Now we need somebody to see how do we create how do
we fund this? How do we get access to the funding? But so we could take two or three of these things and pass it forward to go into the charter to be voted on and then the groundwork starts.
So, I just that's but I just want to make sure you I didn't mean to take poor Shankton and send him >> down the road to start digging up money, but to lift this up as a priority.
>> The Shankton can handle that. >> All right. I I think at this po I'm sorry, Mr. Davis. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, so obviously I can't let this issue go by without me speaking. I was kind of surprised you're sitting over there.
>> You know, I'm in general in general in favor of getting as much information as we can on any any aspect of that that the committee finds important. And obviously this is an important issue for me. I'm I'm thankful that I don't work for a company out of Detroit and and uh
and all that, but uh I think that we do need to tailor if we're going to if we're going to look at something specific on the funding mechanism, we need to be a little bit more tailored in what we're looking at. If we're looking at a an issue of three minutes on on how that funding mechan mechanism is dealt
with. I know the county and city have had a lot of conversation about property tax or electric bills. There's a there's an actual court case now. I mean, there's a lot of things that are ongoing with this. I don't know that now is necessarily the time to deal with it cuz there's a lot of things that are up in the air. Um, but I would definitely like
to hear, you know, is there a specific area that you're looking at or >> Yeah. So, uh, one of the things that uh would necessitate being on the ballot would be uh one of the options uh of a fire services
district. And is that is that accurate that the is the Leyon County Commission uh they could put it on the ballot themselves as well, right? But it would have to be a ballot. They couldn't create a fire district by ordinance. >> No. In fact, it might depending on which you have a dependent or an independent district, it might require legislative
approval as well. >> Okay. Just just to speak to that qu quickly, I believe if it's a dependent, it can be done by the by the county. Uh then it would it would report back to the county. If it's independent, it would have to be done by the legislature or by citizen action.
>> But if it was the dependent, then it would be a Leon the Leyon County Commission to still put it on the ballot, not via ordinance. Is that right? >> I'm not even sure it would require being put on the ballot for for a dependent district. It's something we would look at, but it but it is actively being
explored. All of those models are are being actively uh analyzed currently. recommend motion to table. >> Okay, we we'll make a motion to table. >> Make motion to table. Is there a second on that? >> Second. >> Motion's been made. Seconded to table a
motion. Is there a vote on one? All in favor of tableabling the motion say I. >> Okay. Thank you. Right, Dr. Kesler. >> Okay. Yeah. So, um, I'm trying not to be
totally, I don't know, purple or yellow. Uh, trying to not use black and white. uh in trying to understand again
what we as a charter committee member um are supposed to be doing in putting forward our ideas or motions and and so every time we got into policy
as uh Mr. long described. I was getting kind of confused and sort of, you know, how does this happen? How does this get on a charter that way as opposed to like some really good ideas of Yeah. care for
the indigent, affordable housing, food security, but as a member of the committee, Vince is going to love this. If the committee says, "Well, let's put forward a motion that 0.5% mill is going to go
to affordable housing every year." Could the committee do that? I'm not advocating for it, but I want to understand more clearly how these motions get >> get worded. >> Vince, you want to happy to do that.
Yeah, there there are some limitations and and the county attorney and I were just discussing them. For example, you all couldn't um necessarily put in charter limitations u that uh infringed on land development rights and that sort of thing. Just to use an example, um
when you start getting down this realm of of policy, there are similar um limitations relative to budget authority and appropriation and and and the appropriating of public funds and that sort of thing. Even dictating um that sort of thing. Um again, it would be
part of the analysis on every one of it because it it it's context specific on each one of these. In some areas, you may find that, for example, in the area of affordable housing um that there are optional um uh uh local um option sales
taxes and other things that that can be utilized for that. Um but again, you'll probably find when the analysis comes back that a lot of those um uh uh uh abilities that that we have been exercised or are being exercised and
that sort of thing. So again, it's very context specific. Um, but if if it's one of those, that's why we sort of have this process in steps that additional information would come back to you and we would tell you what we're doing, how we're doing it. Um, whether it's adequate or not is something that the
that that you all could debate. Um, whether you could make recommendations to the board that could be affectuated through a charter is one thing. You may find that you can affectuate it through a charter, but you still want to make the recommendation to the board that they ought to do it. you know what I mean from a budgetary standpoint and
that's okay too. We would we would bring that information back to the board. >> Thank you. >> So that's a place to put some of these issues probably while I went down. >> Mr. Ray, >> thank you. Uh Madam Chair, um we just made a pretty significant uh decision
earlier um without very much debate uh about consolidation. I just wanted in the spirit of general commentary before we move to uh presentations is would it be appropriate to address that before we move on? um you wanted to bring up another >> well no in the spirit of general commentary about what we've done which
we've seen so far I would just want to offer a few thoughts before we move on to presentations that to quote another member of this uh committee by going too far into the consolidation conversation I think we might be borrowing trouble uh American governance in general is kind of in a crisis right now and I think
that we should proceed carefully before adding more chaos more divisive issues um you know in other areas this we see the least urbaniz you know the commissioner-driven conversation to a degree and I think we're getting a little bit into dicey territory that's
kind of beyond the ecumenical sort of global overall big picture moment I think we might be uh we've heard references to dysfunction within the city and county government um no certainly you'll get no argument here right uh but are we going too far into a
structural solution to a political problem which is likely to change in the near future. Every so often this conversation comes up. Um we know that there's probably not five votes on the county commission to pursue consolidation. There may or may not be
four. Taking this issue through this process lowers the threshold to put it on the ballot and do we really want to be seen? You know, there are certain things that only cities can do. There's only one city in this county. So by essentially consolidating, we're essentially really
functionally what that is is basically destroying and limiting our own capacity for municipal governance, do we want to be the group of people that took the ball out of our own hands and limited our own city, limited city government in general in Florida um in the heat of
passion between arguments between different parties. So I just would say that we want to avoid being on an island policy-wise. Um, I would want us to sort of hypocratically uh aim to do no harm uh before we get in any sort of radical experimentation, especially in a community um that as
over and over again. Unless you're like a sprawl developer looking to avoid municipal oversight or maybe a you know investorowned utility looking to make an opportunity out of um you know uh uh uncertainty within the local community.
I have not really heard people asking for this. And so I think that the longer that the longer that we linger on the primrose path to the kind of Bermuda triangle of consolidation, I think that there's probably more there's probably there's probably more profitable areas
where there's more of a mandate from the community uh to to spend our time on and the extent to which that we linger here. I think there there are more profitable areas that we can probably agree on and have more of mandate from the community. So, I just want to say that in the spirit of general commentary before we move on to presentations. Appreciate
your indulgence, Madam Chair. >> So, at this point, we have 10 items that we've asked for more information. Well, I guess not. We've tabled a couple of them, but uh we have a lot more information coming back and more steps where we will, I think, maybe do a better job of shaking out what we can
and cannot do in terms of whether we want to consolidate some of these issues, that kind of consolidation or or not. So, I appreciate your comments. Uh, and just to keep us going, I think we, uh, it is time now for presentations. We have two of them that we asked for last
time. So, as you can see, if we have this many, and we're going to try to do two that we caught, we brought up the last meeting. So, uh, first one is um the annexation uh, procedures and processes. Chassity, are you taking over that one? And then
next we'll have the uh information on uh the street renaming jurisdictional jurisdictional standards for street renaming. So that's two today. First up is annexation. >> Uh thank you madam chair. I'll try not to take up all the remaining time with
this presentation. It's going to be really to the point. There's already a statutory process for voluntary annexation and involuntary annexations. uh the city of Tallahassee limits because we only have one the city of Tallahassee limits because we only have one city. Um there's a process for that.
The city and the county also have an existing interlocal agreement that governs the process that's used uh when annexation is requested. Um and uh there's also provision in the comp plan that provides for certain like minimum
requirements related to annexations as well. That's all outlined again in your agenda item. um happy to answer any questions the committee might have. Um involuntary annexation much more rare than voluntary annexations. It's
basically when the municipality decides that it wants certain property uh to be moved into uh the mun b the municipal boundaries. I believe locally the last time that was on the ballot was in 2002
for property in the southern triangle area and that was not successful and to my knowledge the city of Felasi has not proposed an involuntary annexation since then. Um involuntary annexations do require uh a referendum of the affected
property owners. Uh and again that's why that particular voluntary annexation was not successful. Again that process is preempted by state law. We cannot do anything in the charter to amend or modify or otherwise provide for
alternative involuntary annexation process. Happy to answer any questions. Can >> can I ask a question? Um something that you just said madam attorney. Um when you say involuntary annexation, I understand these are state statute uh
terms, but remind me um does the involuntary one does that mean that uh there wasn't a petition and and therefore it's on the ballot? So the voluntary is when there's a petition by the land owner and involuntary is when there's it's on the ballot. Is that right? >> Correct. A voluntary annexation is when
the affected property owners petition directly to the municipality for annexation into the municipal boundaries. That triggers the process that's noticed to the county. It's considered by the county. The county has an opportunity to object. Um, if the
county has a legal basis to object and doesn't agree, that triggers under the interlocal agreement between the city and the county like dispute resolution um to try to resolve that. Um, but involuntary annexation is when the municipality
itself wants to petition or basically place on the ballot a referendum to move property into the municipal limits. It is not at the direction or request of the property owners themselves. That's voluntary.
>> And so this is kind of a phantom item, right? This is pushed to us from the county commission. There's none of us sponsored this, right? >> I think it was >> you guys asked for the annexation item that did not provide direction for you to consider this. >> We asked for it. >> Correct. Now, now the board did consider
two specific annexation related items and whether to forward them to this committee for consideration and declined to do so. Mhm. >> And so that sorry well so the if you've read your your information the report
that we did get back that we requested there are two options to accept the status report and take no further action or if there is any um direction here from the committee. So those are the two things it's recommended that we accept the status report and take no further action.
>> I'll move option one. >> Option one's been moved and seconded. Uh um in in discussion, uh >> there are eight precincts in the southside that we would all call
Tallahassee and five of them are in historically black precincts and they do not have the right to vote in city elections. and Leyon County Commissioner Bill Proctor has been advocating for decades um for
their ability to to be citizens of this city. And if there's anything that we can do um to to try to alleviate that and address that, I am not sure if there is, but if there are any specific suggestions that the public has um or this body has, I would love to hear them
because it's certainly a goal. >> Comment um Mr. Wilcox. Yeah. Um just a point of clarification. Um Chassity, is there any size enclave that can be
involuntarily annexed or does every involuntary annexation go to referendum? >> Enclaves are treated a little bit differently. They it is dependent on size and depending if it meets the the
property owner number and size requirements or limitations then statutoily uh the county and the city can agree by interlocal agreement. It does not have to go to referendum. That is again pretty rare.
>> Uh and uh those uh limitations are outlined in the agenda item. There's a there's a section that talks about annexation of enclaves. Uh and all of that information is outlined there where that would apply. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. If there are no further questions, the motion's been made and seconded to accept the status report and take no further action. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Those opposed, nay. Motion carries. Thank you. The next uh report we have coming up is
I saw Ken was going to do it, but I >> think I've got this one. Madam Chair, thank you. I'll be even quicker than the county attorney on the last one. This falls into the U category of additional information. You all may recall at your last couple of meetings. You sort of addressed that big issue that the board
asked you to to look at with whether county ordinances should supersede all city ordinances. You you sort of you chewed on that for a while. you narrowed it down to, well, maybe not all, but what about in specific circumstances? I think you pretty much dispensed with that issue. But the where that
conversation ended was, uh, are there additional ways that the the county and city could um, uh, create for unified street naming process outside of a charter amendment? That was kind of the where you left it. and and you wanted us to come back to provide information
about outside of a charter amendment, could you um um require some uh uniform standards with respect to street name renamings? The answer is not really. I mean, absent um a legislative mandate that that changed that or a charter
amendment, you couldn't um require it outside the two jurisdictions just agreeing to do so, right? The jurisdictions can agree to to to to do anything. And in in this case um uh they haven't again as we told you in the background it used to be the case that
we agreed to to a unified um street name naming process. We sort we've gone away from that. The city adopted their own ordinance to uh to name streets within the city. Um and so we've gotten away from that. Uh again uh however you got to acknowledge all these issues. I'm not
u diminishing uh the issue in any way but these some of these things are trends. what might be an issue today may be resolved tomorrow through the process and and uh I know you've never seen that, Anita. Right. Right. >> Uh but uh but again, we came back to you with that additional information to simply state again not really a way
outside of the charter currently to require uh this uniform street uh renaming process. You also asked um uh that the city uh staff be available to answer any questions you have. I talked to the city manager about this. Uh and
as I said in the item um uh the city commission uh wanted to you know again express their um uh their you know respect for the purview and and the responsibility important responsibility of this committee. Uh but the city manager um thought that the item uh he reviewed the item he thought the item
was accurate. Didn't feel like city staff had anything more to add to that. So with that again you've got the options before you and we'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. >> Right. You all see the three options before us. One is accept the report, table the issue. The other is direct
staff to propose charter amendment language and um third is any other direction. Do I hear a motion on any of the well it's basically two? >> I would move option one. >> Move option one. Do I hear a second
moving option one which is basically to accept the report and table a motion table the information? >> Second. Motion's been heard made and seconded to accept the report and table this issue. All those in favor say I. I.
>> Those opposed, no. A motion carried. >> No. >> We have a roll. Pardon me. Miss favors a question. >> Did we finish the vote? >> We're No, we're going to have to take a roll call vote. >> I'll wait till >> Okay. Thank you. >> Joey Davis.
>> Linda Bon Edwards. >> Yes. >> Liz Ellis. I >> Anita Favorvers. >> Hi >> Max Hurley. >> Hi >> Daryl Jones. >> Yes. >> Howard Kesler. >> Yes. >> Henry Lewis. >> Yes. >> Heidi Alway.
>> Yes. >> Ryan Ray. >> Yes. >> Robersonson. >> Yes. >> Temple Robinson. >> Yes. >> William Smith. >> Yes. >> Bruce Strobble. >> Question. >> Can I ask a question or I have >> Well, we're voting right now if you
don't mind voting right now. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Jerry Terry, >> yes. >> Katrina Tugerson, >> yes. >> Barry Wilcox, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Haynes, >> no. >> Chair Lley, >> yes.
>> The motion passes with one opposition. >> Right. Okay. Yeah. Dr. Stu, would you like to I'm sorry >> to understand opposition before I voted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. >> I have a question. >> I'm sorry. Uh Miss Favorvers,
>> my question is um we have voted to table the issue which I I u agreed with that vote. Does that mean that we cannot um come back at some point and make a strong recommendation that the city and
county give this some um consideration? I think it's a very important issue and I think that's probably where Dr. Strubble is going as well. >> I was kind of wondering, you know, you said earlier we may be making recommendations, not necessarily suggestion suggestions for charter
language, but just recommendations that we've discussed and like to see. >> Would that fall under that? >> I would I would I would only suggest and it's entirely up to to this committee. Um, but you all are going to be moving on to a lot of issues. Now is probably the time. I mean, if if if you did want
to um make a motion to that effect to to make a recommendation to the board uh along those lines, again, we would receive that um and and make that part of the report. >> I would like to make that motion. >> And what would the motion be? Can the motion specify
>> that the city and county commissioners give strong consideration to looking at ways that they can come into agreement about how street renaming should be done. Right. >> Okay. Do I hear a second on that motion? >> Second. >> Second has been made.
>> May I May I put in a addition to the motion with the input from law enforcement um emergency services? Yes. make very dangerous. That's Yes, that's exactly
second. Yeah. >> Yeah. Sorry. Just is there any citizen input as part of that process or is it just the city and county representatives >> that comes before the both of those
commissions that there would be? >> That's right. >> Citizens would come before those commissions. Yeah. When it's discussed, right? >> Yeah. Okay. Uh Mr. Ray, >> just want to say good motion. Looking forward to supporting it. >> Okay. All right. Well, the motion's been
made and seconded to uh recommend to city and county commissions that they get uh seriously seriously involved in trying to find ways to make some uniformity in the naming of streets and with u input from fire services and EMS
and so forth. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. >> Those opposed? A motion carries. Thank you. All right. Wow. We we've come to the end of our agenda for the moment, but if we have some time if there's uh discussion that
you all would like to come forward with. See, Mr. Wilcox. >> Can I just ask a question um of staff kind of combines the two issues there? Annexation of roadways. Um, I think a lot of folks here might be surprised to find out that Gadston and Calhoun are
county roads totally encompassed by the city as is Tharp Street. >> And we'd be more than happy to >> That's true. >> It it it makes for, you know, an awkward when it comes to street renaming in particular. Um, these are streets that, you know, are are primarily are
completely within the city in some cases and and and yet are still the perview of the county. Uh, so great for street renaming, but from a maintenance standpoint, I'm I'm I'm sure >> Magnolia Drive, isn't that another one? >> It might be another one. Sure. But is is there what's uh Chestn in particular
process for annexing streets? >> Jess, you want to? >> So, um, it's a little bit complicated. uh there's a whole statutory construct for roads and which are federal, state
and local. And then um there was a change in I think it was in the 70s um about how roads can be conveyed from one local jurisdiction to another. Um and so uh
now we try to be very deliberate when um developments occur about um who is going to be responsible prospectively for maintenance obligations. But there are a
lot of existing roadways that are legacy roadways, if you will, where they are existing county roads that were never conveyed formally. Um, but the parties can agree to to do that um voluntarily
um but there has to be documentation about that conveyance and everything else. Now it's done by plat sometimes again during development and things like that but um and this is outside of my general wheelhouse but it's my understanding a lot of that becomes an
issue from a monet it's a monetary issue because maintenance is expensive and so there might not be a desire to assume maintenance responsibilities of roads. >> Okay. Just to add to that, Anita just didn't like those two roads and looking
back when she was in, she gave and we used whatever you remember how you used to whatever she said we did. And so we took that over and and and we're happy to continue to do it. >> And to that I might add that the county attorney's wheelhouse seems really enormous to me the way you come up with
>> and I might add that we do receive funding for uh maintenance of various roads that are not either city or county designated. So that would need to be a consideration as well. Um the city, I'll speak for the city, has always um gone
the extra mile in terms of maintenance even on roads that were not city roads because we wanted to maintain a standard of beauty >> in the community. So we have paid over the amount that the state usually
provides on the state roads. >> Yeah. All right. Thank you. >> Yes. Yes, sir. >> I have a question pertaining to the conflicting ordinances charter um idea and I'm wondering where we stand with that and what will be the process to reopen that discussion in a future
meeting. >> Conflicting charter, >> I'm sorry, conflicting ordinances. Uh we we had a proposal or we had the recommendation from the county to look at um where the county would supersede the city in terms of conflicting ordinances. So, at your last meeting,
the committee uh voted uh to not uh advance the issue for charter amen amendment language. Um however, if the committee would want to revisit that, um given that you've already taken action, it would require a supermajority vote of
the committee. >> Thank you. >> All right. I um I just wanted to ask um committee member Wilcox um was your inquiry about that uh was were you looking at having like the motion prior uh something to go back to the county
commission to look at the county's uh oneways that they own. It was moreformational in general just you know given that we understand how property is annexed now >> how do we annex infrastructure
especially streets which do carry with them a significant maintenance cost um and you have a you know a street that's like I said it's within the bounds of the city so the city has an interest in what that street looks like but then the county is the one responsible for maintaining it so goes back to kind of
that relationship between the two jurisdictions. Would you like to make a motion? >> I I was more interested was again I was more interested in the information on it. I don't know that that's something that would elevate itself. Seems more of a policy issue, an interlocal issue. Um
and uh you know >> might just ask Reese to foot the bill on the streets. I don't know. >> Miss Bond Edward, you had your card up but no Mr. Ray. Yeah, Josh, just offer my two cents that our as a seat of
government, we have a lot of quirks as a community. Um, I think we should be tolerant of them. You know, I think our decades, centuries long um sort of arrangement where if you want to live in the city and have different standards and different taxes and live in the city that works well and the county different, we're going to have some overlap because of our seat of
government status. And I think as opposed to rushing to, you know, obliterate all difference, I think that we should work it out at a granular policy level. And that's just all. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Um we're a little bit early, but if uh there are no other issues to discuss
right now and bear in mind you can bring up things at the next meeting as well. We will have one more meeting before the end of the year. Do I hear a motion to adjourn moved? >> Do I hear a second? Motion's been made and seconded. U without further uh ado,
meeting adjourned. get to tell you like two weeks slowly.