Good morning everybody. Good morning everybody. Oh, I hear you with soft voice. I have to yell. We're running a tight ship over here and it's good to see everybody. Uh, I guess a few people are getting their coffee. Um,
before we get started, I just wanted to welcome Heidi Otway, who's with us today somewhere. There she is. Welcome. Uh, appreciate that. I was supposed to tell a joke about if you missed a meeting that Vince would give you a your own
personal 4hour catchup session. >> I'll take >> So, >> typical response. But in fact, if you if you do have a a reason and a need to miss a meeting, these meetings are broadcast and so you'll be able to catch up on video
recordings at any time as well. So, uh, this morning we Yeah, we do need to take a roll call. And who's do who does our roll call to see we need to have a quorum here? I think we do have of our 21 and some people will be coming in in a minute
>> and we do have a quorum but um in the instance of the committee making a vote and it's not unanimous we will do a a roll call vote for everybody accurately. >> Okay. And uh if you have comments or anything you turn your card this way so I'll know what your that you wish to
have a comment or make a talk of some sort and um make sure your microphone is turned on. This is one of my failings so we can hear everybody. So, uh today you've all got your agendas I think in
um order and we have uh a consent agenda at first and I don't know I suppose many of you are familiar with this but routinely we start um just with the general issues like the minutes of the last meeting today we have that the bylaws and um just a notice of some
written comments that came to us. uh this morning I guess it was. So um after that we will have uh some presentations and we will have by the county administrator and from uh our
able assistant Nikki Hatch and then we will uh move on to committee discussion and deliberation a little while after that. Uh so at this point uh unless anyone has pulled a consent item, it's the bylaws and the minutes at this
point. I uh like to hear a motion to move consent. >> I'll make a motion. >> Madam Chair, >> vice chair. Thank you, >> Madam Chair. I move consent items number two, three, and four. >> Thank you. Do I have a second? >> Thank you, Miss Edwards. Linda, may I call you Linda? I'm going to We can do
first names here, right? Okay. Okay, that's dispensed with um Are we ready for you, Vince? >> Are we? >> I think we are. We have a review that you all be seeing. >> I'm sorry, Mary. I'm not sure we got the vote on this. I know we had a motion. >> It's got a second. We'll catch on to
this eventually. Uh all in favor of approving the consent items say I >> and those opposed say no. Okay. Thank you. >> Like riding a bike. >> Riding a bike. I'll catch you eventually. >> Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh
committee members, um we've got a quick overview for you this morning. Your member, uh we we covered a lot of ground last time, uh at our last meeting with the overview of county government. Today, you've got a couple of documents before you that just provide an overview
of county government in general. Uh again, this this is really this I know I said this last time, but I really mean it this time. This is a quick presentation. you should see what I make other people uh sit through on county overviews. But again, we're just going to scratch the surface. Um but it's
important uh for context and and uh uh for um so that you you all know that there's a lot of source documentation you can go back to. We never know what um charter amendments that you may be um considering in this process. So again, it's just important to have this highle
overview. And as I mentioned, this is going to be really um mercifully quick. So um uh again uh folks I think we've sort of broken this down into into five categories in terms of government structure uh budget uh sort of a lean on
leads a strategic plan uh and our annual reporting and again once I sort of hit these um highlevel moving parts you you'll get a good idea how it all sort of fits together. Um again I mentioned that you have the county strategic plan and the annual report uh before you. Uh
both of those uh documents too provide a very good overview uh of of county government. So to start again um tip of the iceberg uh sort of thing the county structure uh from the top of the county uh organization again I know this is a
very knowledgeable group uh that we have here. So I won't spend much time on this but this gives you a good idea. Of course, at the top of of the of the page, we we've got the county commissioners, as you all know, seven county commissioners, five at districts, uh district commissioners, um two at
large commissioners who are elected uh countywide uh uh represent uh the uh the the the county, represent the the citizens at on countywide basis. Uh we've got about um uh thousand employees
um at the county. Uh two of which were appointed uh by the county commission u the county administrator myself and and the county attorney. Uh we've got about 14 uh different departments, dozens and dozens of programs and and services. Um
over 50 uh uh in total. Again, I always say county government a toz, everything from animal control to zoning and everything in between. Uh and as we talked a little bit about yesterday, again, lots of statemandated services that we provide, uh as a political subdivision of the state, um like
emergency management and all the coordination we do, um and planning and response to man-made and natural uh disasters, uh for example, that's one. And then all of our local services that we provide, it's uh we exercise the option to provide like parks and wreck
and libraries and EMS and and so much more. So, how's all that funded? Again, just at a glance, folks, nearly 60% um of our revenues come from property taxes. Um and the remainder come from other sources, including tourism taxes
and gas taxes, uh fees for services, uh on on a more limited basis and state shape, uh state shared revenues. Easy for me to say. Um, and as uh we look at our expenses by category there, as you can see in our very uh helpful
infographic there, um about half of our spending goes to public safety. Uh people are often uh surprised to learn that about uh over half about 60% of all property taxes that we collect go to fund just the sheriff's office uh alone.
Uh again, very big number. So, but you can see how all of the rest uh sort of breaks down. We're very proud of how efficient we are. Um I say this not just to to to brag, but again, we never know what a sort of uh charter amendments that you all might um uh consider. Um
you know, Doge is a thing that's out there right now. We've been doing Doge since way before it was cool. I'll talk a little bit about that in a minute. But again, very efficient um uh county government. Among our comparable counties, we have the uh lowest net budget uh per capita. We have the lowest
uh number of uh staff per capita. Um some of that is just sort of you know um uh uh good management. I would say a part of big part of it is all of the taxes that we have off the tax roles here in our community. So it's sort of working with what we've what we've got
uh as well. Um, again, high level, very low debt at the county, uh, very high bond ratings, uh, very high grant leveraging ratios. And again, if you have any other questions about the sort of financial picture of the county, and if any of your charter members sort of
go into that area, we're happy to have uh discuss uh this and everything else in a lot more depth. So um again I mentioned uh Doge just important for you all to know uh that we have our own internal yearround uh cost avoidance and
efficiency uh efforts. It's the first thing I present to the board uh every year in our budget before we ask for a single person or an additional dollar. We present to them the results of our annual and really year round on a continuous basis uh cost savings and avoidance efforts. uh uh we that's uh
equaled about $80 million in about the past 10 years. Uh this year was $3.4 million. It's something we take uh uh very seriously. So again, the the next graphic just sort of illustrates uh the continuous process uh that we utilize at
the county to sort of align all of our strategic functions. Uh it's this infographic is a good sort of segue to the to the next slide which talks about our strategic plan. Again, nothing's more exciting than strategic planning to everyone, but but we put a tremendous amount of of emphasis on our strategic
planning. If it's something that the county does really well, um it's this. It's very necessary. Uh we we often have uh cities and counties from across the country come and talk to us about how we do this because we sort of painfully align our highest uh priorities uh with
our optimized resources. And it's it's uh of course this is something that we all do. All or all all organizations do this, but something that's kind of unique about the county uh is that we uh every single agenda item that we produce at the county uh you'll see right up front on the front page how that subject
matter aligns with the strategic uh plan and allows us to stay really focused and uh achieve uh our objectives even in very lean times and and and in uh different economic cycles. So uh again important document uh there it
includes uh we're going into our last year of our strategic plan. Um and um we've got about a 100 strategic initiatives which carry out um uh objectives in in four priority areas. Each of those those four priority areas
have five-year targets associated with them. Again, in addition to the 100 strategic initiatives, which are the action items that carry out all of those, but five uh five-year targets, we think we're going to hit those targets. Again, we do a very good job of this um
of hitting those, but each one of these um strategic priority areas also include a bold goal. That's a real stretch goal. We don't know if we're going to hit those targets, but we think it's important to have real stretch goal, real aspirational goals in that strategic plan. Again, lot of
information. take it all in uh at your uh leisure, but did want to just uh talk about that briefly. Um as I mentioned uh committee members, this overview, this the county government overview is something that we I could talk about for hours. What I wanted to do if I could
though uh and I figured it was the best use of your time. We produce a video each year and in 5 minutes uh it somehow tells you more than I could do in you know uh two hours. So, if we could, let's just cue that up and you'll be happy to know that we'll conclude my
overview after this. So, run the video, please. 2025 was another year of great progress for Lyon County and our entire community. delivering on the board of county commissioners highest priorities. We invested in infrastructure, created
places for people to thrive, and advanced innovation through co-creation. And we did it with a clear focus on performance, fiscal stewardship, and the provision of highquality essential services our citizens rely on every day.
This year's annual report underscores how our employees continue to set the highest standard in public service across EMS, public works, parks, libraries, emergency management, and a whole lot more. That commitment is reflected in all we do. It is built into
our infrastructure, safer roads, enhanced storm water, and extensive water quality projects to accommodate quality growth and serve our community for generations to come. In 2025, we stayed focused on protecting and improving water quality in the
Southside, leveraging more than $60 million for septic to sewer projects, removing more than 700 septic tanks, and investing $1.6 million to revitalize the Lake Mson Slooh embankment. At the same time, countywide, we managed and
maintained more than 600 m of roads and nearly 700 miles of storm water ditches to keep people and neighborhoods safe. From pipes and pavement to parks and public spaces, we raised the bar with more than 100 new acres of green space,
adding to the county's 3,400 acres of parks and nearly 50 m of trails. We transformed the historic old conquered school into the nearly 8,000 square ft state-of-the-art Mkasuki Community Center, celebrated another segment of
the St. Mark's Headwaters Greenway opened the county's largest dog park at Appalache Regional Park, launched the Fort Braden Family Resource Center with the Children's Services Council of Lyon County, and delivered 18 street lighting projects, 15 bus stop lighting upgrades,
and added nearly 20 m of new greenways, trails, and bike lanes in 2025 alone. Our ongoing efforts to make our community more vibrant and resilient included expanding affordable housing, the bedrock for economic stability,
health, and opportunity for everyone. The county increased annual gap financing to $500,000 and paired $5.8 million in direct funding with $183 million in bond financing, helping deliver more than 1,200 affordable rental homes with many
more on the way. And we did all of this while advancing the county's commitment to serving our veterans, helping Lyon County veterans and their families secure more than $40 million in earned benefits in 2025. Because building community is also about building
connections, the county engaged thousands of our citizens across hundreds of events as we revitalized a neighborhood during our 911 day of service, celebrated the 10th year of the county's transformative Leon Works Expo, and hosted our award-winning Created Equal event using music as a living
chronicle of race, resistance, and celebration. Together, efforts like these make Leyon County a premier destination, drawing more than 2.4 24 million visitors and generating over $1.3 billion in economic impact. The
county also delivered our most successful concert lineup yet, welcomed more than 25,000 to the amphitheater, and supported nearly 300 community events, all during a bicesentennial year that brought our community together.
That momentum sets the stage for 2026 when Lyon County welcomes the world to Appalache Regional Park for the 46th World Athletics Cross Country Championships. The event's first return to the United States in more than 30 years. We expect 550 elite athletes from
60 countries, 10,000 spectators, an estimated $4.3 million in economic impact, all broadcast around the world. Behind these achievements is a high-erforming team committed to efficiency and results, guided by a
strategic plan with a clear vision, bold goals, and measurable targets. This year, county employees earned dozens of state and national awards. And we did it while holding the millage rate flat for the 14th consecutive year, maintaining one of the lowest budgets and one of the
lowest employee to resident ratios among peer counties, even with more property off the tax roles than nearly any county, underscoring our effectiveness and fiscal stewardship. And with this momentum, we'll keep setting the standard in the year ahead, listening to the people we serve, addressing our
biggest challenges together, and making Leyon County a place like nowhere else. Please learn more about this and so much more in the 2025 annual report. >> Well, as I mentioned folks, I could have never given you that overview in 5
minutes. Uh so again, the video through the magic of video eding editing, we're we're able to do that. So um I'm going to segue uh now to um Nikki. We we told you last time that we'd be going through the charter sort of provision by provision. I also want to mention to
you, don't worry, uh this 120 days uh will not be 120 days of staff presentations. Uh after today, we have no presentations planned for you. Of course, we're not going anywhere. We'll be here for whatever you need in terms of what what you're asking for for additional information, but just wanted
to mention that to you. Uh uh but again, uh I believe Nikki, that's my uh segue uh to you. >> All right. Good morning, everyone. As Vince mentioned, I will be providing a very brief overview of the county charter, which is comprised of five
articles that we'll be walking through. But as a reminder, your full charter is available under tab one of your committee binder. Uh, in addition, tab six provides a comparison of charter counties on a number of matters, including many of the sections that we'll be covering today. And as always,
we can answer any questions that you may have along the way. So up on the screen are the county the county charters uh five articles starting off with uh article one which establishes the county as a charter government and defines our
relationship with the city and the state. The first section I want to highlight is section 1.6 which outlines specifically our relationship with the city. Chassity and Ken will cover uh this in much more detail in their overview of the agenda item uh here in a little bit, but on the screen as you can
see uh our charter provides for municipal ordinances to prevail over county ordinances in the event of the in event of conflict unless otherwise provided for by law or within the charter. The charter currently specifies one exception for minimal uh minimum
environmental regulations which provides a countywide floor for environmental standards as we covered um at your first meeting. But this does not restrict the county from adopting more stringent standards. Um also covered at your last meeting, this provision was an amendment
advanced by the 2010 citizen charter review committee. The next notable provision I want to talk touch on is the transfer of power uh which is an important distinction from the county's relation relationship uh with municipalities in regards to
regulations. Specifically transfer of power as the name implies um involves the transfer of a power or a function between local governments such as law enforcement or uh fire services. Such transfers of power are separately governed under the state constitution
which requires a dual referendum uh for approval with approval by electors in both affected local governments. Uh moving on to article two which establishes our government structure. Uh for this article I want to highlight uh section 2.1 which establishes our
council manager form of government or in other words the separation between our legislative and administrative functions. Specifically, uh, our board, our elected board, the county commission, serves as the legislative body, which adopts policies in an annual budget. As detailed under section 2.2,
the county commission is comprised of five district commissioners, two countywide, and established by the charter. Elections for each of these positions are nonpartisan. On the other hand, executive responsibilities are carried out by the appointed county administrator who implements policies and oversees the
day-to-day functions um and operations of the county. Next, uh, transitioning to article three, which outlines the roles and responsibilities of constitutional officers, which includes the sheriff, property appraiser, a property appraiser, clerk of court, tax
collector, and the supervisor of elections. The first section I want to highlight is section 3.1, which preserves the statutory powers and responsibility of our constitutional offices. Under this section, the charter also provides for these officers to be independently elected, which today we
would be prohibited from changing otherwise as a result of the 2018 constitutional amendment which preempted counties from changing structures, the duties or election of these offices. For article four, uh I want to briefly touch on uh section 4.1 which outlines
citizens power to propose ordinances. This right uh to initiate allows citizens to propose, amend or repeal ordinances by petition. Those petitions, however, uh must require signature uh from 10% of the electorate and must
reflect 10% of the electric in each of the county commission districts. This method has never been used. And finally, uh there is article 5 which primarily focuses on how the charter is implemented and amended. As Vince
covered at your first meeting, there are three methods for amending the charter. First by citizen petition, the second board initiated amendments and the last which is why you all are here is the citizen charter review committee which is the only method for amending the
charter that has been used to date. Uh our committee uh is convened on an eight years basis but uh uh you'll see in your comparison table that this can this varies greatly across charter counties. um some meet more frequently uh some uh
some much uh greater apart. So to round this out um I just wanted to provide a quick refresher on the charter amendment process. Um at your last meeting you received this overview. Um so I'll just quickly recap um how your meetings are structured uh for your deliberations.
First are your issue and discussion meetings. Uh this is where the committee will identify and start to hone in on potential amendments. Keep in mind the committee will have several me meetings to propose ideas. So there's time to think about potential ideas and whether or not a charter amendment would be an
appropriate avenue to advance it. If the majority of the committee wants to further explore a proposed idea for amending the charter, we can bring back a full analysis for the committee's consideration. After that, upon approval by the committee, the issue will be advanced to a decision meeting.
For these meetings, staff will uh draft charter amendment language for the committee's consideration. The committee can vote uh the draft language up or down or modify the language at your meeting. Again, this is just a brie recap on the process. Uh the cheat sheet on the screen is included under tab five
of your committee binder and we'll be here to provide any guidance on the process along the way. Um, I know that was very uh quick, brief. Um, but if you guys have any questions, please let me know. Um, but with that, I would like to hand it back over to the chair.
>> Okay. Thank you, Nikki, and thank you, Vince. Um, the video is great. It shows what real public service is about, and I think we can all appreciate that. And also, uh, in front of you on your desk, you have the annual report to look at and also the budget. So, be interesting.
So, uh, next up on our agenda is public comment and, um, we will do this at every meeting and I think we have a few people who have got one card, one card speaker and Ernie Payne are up next. If you please give your uh, name and
address and you have three minutes. Great. Hello, my name is Ernie Payne. Uh, I'm a 2006 East Indian Head Drive in Tallahassee, a member of the Citizens for Ethics Reform, and also a former 5-year member
of the Tallahassee Independent Ethics Board and an appointee to the 2024 Tallahassee Charter Review Committee. A detailed proposal to establish an independent office of inspector general was submitted and was made available to
you. This proposal is an attempt to maintain public trust in county government by reinforcing transparency and accountability in the areas of ethics, fraud, waste, abuse, mismanagement, misconduct and service
deficiencies. The OIG would be the would also be the designated statutory agent to process whistleblower complaints. This is not intended as a remedy for any implied deficiencies in the current county government.
The intent of my proposal is to establish an infrastructure to prevent such issues before they occur. I've used two local models that I'm familiar with as a framework in establishing this infrastructure. the Tallahassee Independent Ethics Board and
the Tallahassee Office of Inspector General. Each office has some elements that are worth emulating and some elements to avoid. These are two separate offices at the city because the ethics board was established prior to the OIG.
The Association of Inspectors General, which sets national standards for certification, stresses that establishing the independence of this office from the agency it is providing oversight to is of primary concern.
To this end, I propose oversight of the OIG to be in the form of a board of citizens who are outside the county command structure. This board would be responsible for hiring and annually evaluating a qualified inspector general, ensuring
compliance with established guidelines, and termination of the IG if necessary without interfering with the day-to-day operations of the office. The OIG board would be made up of an appointment by each of the Lyon County constitutional officers.
Although most of these officers are funded through county government, they are headed by independently elected officials, so are operationally independent. >> Mr. Payne, you have 30 seconds. And you might just let people know they have received your full report. >> Thank you.
>> In written comments this morning by email. >> Thank you. >> The proposed office would also include legal counsel independent of both the county administrator and the county attorney. This would bring in more total compliance with national standards and would also prevent any potential
conflicts of interest, especially when addressing whistleblower cases. You'll find more detail in the materials provided, but I'll be glad to provide any clarification you might need. Thank you. >> And uh to to the committee members here, uh if you have questions on this, we can
discuss this um more thoroughly in item 8, which is when we're going to have a conversation, too. Thank you very much. And we have one more citizen uh to speak and that's Stanley Sims. Mr. Sims, state your name and address, please, for the record.
My name is Stanley Sims. I currently live in the awardwinning neighborhood Aendale Way. Um I'm here this morning um because first I want to thank each and every one of you to take time out to do
this and also I want to remind you of your responsibility. Your responsibility here this morning is to enhance improve
citizens of Leyon County quality of life. All of them white, black, immigrants, disabled, handicapped. There there are some issues here that I
think that the county needs to have last say. It is very confusing. I um I remember when I first built my house out on Mickey Suki Road and trying to get
permitting was crazy. God bless her soul. Hazel was saying, "Well, the city owns the mine, but the county owns the pole." These are the kind of things that makes our life better.
We're very fortunate because we serve our utilities. Who has the final say? Who's doing the serving? The city. They have the final say on my utility bill.
But when it comes to public service, you live in the county, there is not a distinction of the only other. Just cuz you're in the city, that just means that you can get to a Publix faster. Well, not now because they are planting
them all out everywhere. So, we need a clear understanding of who's in charge. We wouldn't have a debacle like with the fire department.
What's next? Who's really in charge of animal control? 30 minutes. >> 30 minutes. 30 seconds. >> Who's com who's who has the final say with animal control? who has the final
say, you know, with with code enforcement, these kinds of things. So, again, I thank you and I appreciate what you're doing for us this morning. I wasn't that bad today, wasn't I? >> Good job. Thank you, Mr. Sims. Um, I
wanted to acknowledge Commissioner Proctor is on on the scene. Thank you for being here. Appreciate. Thank you. Um, we're going to, uh, we do have, as you all know, one recommendation from the board of county commissioners for us to discuss. Uh, Mr. Sims alluded to
that. And, um, uh, county attorney Chassidity Ostein is going to speak to that. And Ken Morris, I believe. I'm not sure which of you is going to go first, but you are to pardon me. Yes, ma'am.
Yeah. Thank you. Favors. Yeah. Okay. You mentioned um I think my question is how will we uh come back to issues that are raised by uh public speakers? >> What was the process for that? >> Yeah, we will come back to that if
you've got the agenda item A when we when the committee starts discussing any of these issues. So rather than speak right after a person presents an idea then we'll do that more in an organized way. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Thank you, Miss Ostein.
>> Madam Madam Chair, I I have a question now in reference to before I guess we hear from the county attorney. So, do we take if we have uh one of the options or whatever, do we do those after presentations or before? I mean, you
everybody does things a little differently, you know. You know, sometimes you have to have a motion on the floor to begin um you know, discussion or what have you. So what what's going to be the lay of the land? May I ask? >> I and I believe I mean after we have our general discussion there will be a time
for motions to be made >> by staff and >> discussion by us discussion by us and at that point you can ask for more staff information. You can do all kinds of things. You can say we're not interested uh and we'll give instruction to the
staff at that point. Is that not correct? Okay. >> Thank you, madam. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, hello, committee members. Uh, so I have the pleasure of talking with you a little bit about the first substantive issue on your agenda. uh and
that's that after deliberation on numerous potential policy issues, the board selected one issue to bring to you for uh consideration whether to advance uh the item as a proposed charter amendment. Uh and that matter is should county ordinances supersede municipal
ordinances in the event of a conflict. Uh the agenda materials do provide you with information and analysis on that topic that was previously provided to the board of uh county commissioners. Uh but in summary uh the genesis of this is
that as a charter county uh Leyon County derives uh some of its authority from article 8 section 1G uh titled charter county very appropriately. Uh and what it says is that counties operating under charters shall have all powers of local
self-government not consistent with general or special law or with special law approved by vote of the electors. Uh the governing body of the county operating under the chart charter may enact ordinances not inconsistent with general law. The last sentence of this
provision is what is really what this body needs to focus on right now because what it does is give charter counties uh in their charters the ability to decide which prevails in the event of conflict between county and municipal ordinances.
Uh as Nikki referenced earlier, currently section 1.6 six of the charter entitled relation to municipal ordinances uh provides that municipal ordinances prevail over county ordinances in the event of any conflict within the boundaries of the city of
Tallahassee since we only have one city um to the extent that a county and municipal ordinance um govern the same topic but they're not in conflict they're read together and they're both applied. Okay. So it's only which
prevails in the event when there's a conflict a direct conflict between a municipal and a city of Tallahassee or municipal and county ordinance. Okay. So in 2009 um that citizen charter review committee and continuing into
2010 uh recommended the establishment of countywide minimum environmental regulations. Uh that was subsequently approved by the voters at the 2010 general election. And so what that did was just establish a floor for environmental standards. It's a minimum
only. The city still has the discretion under the charter and under that provision to establish more stringent standards than those that are uh imposed by the county. All right. Uh so section 1.62 deals with that. It allows
municipalities to establish more stringent environmental protections within the incorporated area of the city. So that's kind of the the current lay of the land and the charter. So as previously covered, charter counties with regulatory authority can
determine which ordinances prevail when county or municipal ordinances regulate the same subject. Um but that does not include limits. Of course, there are limits to most things, right? So it cannot affect a transfer of municipal
services for example to the county. That process is separately governed under the Florida constitution specifically article 8 section 4 of the constitution. Okay. So there's a whole different process for that. Um, and that's just
one example where even if this board were this body were to advance this potential issue for the ballot and it gets approved, the board says yes, put it on the ballot and it gets approved. That's not a wholesale county gets to do
whatever it wants when there's a conflict with a city ordinance. You know, uh, laws like stack if you think about it that way. You have federal, you know, constitutional and federal law. You have uh state constitutional and
state statutory law. Uh and then you have local law. You have your county and your city law. All right? Uh all of those h interplay and there's preeemption and conflict that can happen at any level of that. And so every time
there's a change in any of those laws, there is constant analysis of what those ripple effect effects and implications are, you know, as it rolls down to the local level. Um, so that's just a little bit of um background and context. Also,
municipalities like the city of Tallahassee have their own laws um and their own authority. Uh and that's also governed uh by the Florida Constitution under section B of article 8. And it says municipalities shall have governmental, corporate, and proprietary powers to enable them to conduct
municipal government, perform municipal functions, and render municipal services, and they can exercise any powerful any power for municipal purposes except as otherwise provided by law. Yes.
for me. Could we just find would you >> would you mind providing just an ordinary context by which these types of conflicts would occur? >> We have a really good one. So, um, the
county has a an uh an addressing an a street naming process, right, with an addressing committee composed of certain uh officials um that relate to first responders and things like that. Uh
there's a whole process to name and rename a street and it goes through that process in part to ensure that when you're renaming or naming a new street, you don't name it an existing name that of a road that roadway that already
exists. Uh that it doesn't cause confusion um for first responders if they're trying to respond to an accident. they take into consideration uh public input in the form of you know how many people would have to change their address and
the implications for all of that. Um there was a scenario times a little bit fluid for me but I think it was in the last two years or so uh where uh a request was made to rename a portion of a street um county declined to do that.
City didn't like that. So they just basically adopted their own ordinance which because it was in conflict supersedes within the city limits so that it can rename streets the way it wants to. >> But I thought that depended upon who maintained the street, the city, the
county or F dot or other other implications. >> That's maintenance. This is naming. That's a separate issue. um they both relate to roads, but that's a separate jurisdictional issue that falls under the statutes for who has maintenance responsibility for certain roads. But
this one was purely about the ability to name or rename streets. So that's a good example like a real life example of something that's happened here locally within the last couple of years where county had an ordinance city decided it wanted to go
in a different direction adopted its own ordinance to preempt and do its own thing within the municipal limits on that topic. >> Okay. >> How much longer the presentation is
this? try not to let you hear me sneeze. Um, we can have discussion after you're finish your proposal because I see several people have some comments if that's all right with the >> Sure. It's just a couple more minutes. >> We have a few more slides and but I think Ken's going to take over for now and then I'm happy to answer any
questions you might have that I can answer. >> Right. >> Cover some examples. Jasse kind of stole that one. Um, and also talk a little bit about other counties and some of the things where they uh they have charter provisions that uh supersede their
municipal partners. Um, staying on topic with with your agenda materials, talking a little bit about comparative review of of charter counties. This isn't the full comparison that's in your binder. Uh, tab six, more information about county governments than you ever wanted to
know. For the purpose of today, really, we're sticking to uh the conversation about uh whether city or county ordinances should prevail. And again, this is just information for the the committee to consider in in your evaluation as requested by the board. At
the last meeting, uh Vince covered in his presentation that Florida's got 20 charter counties, home to 75% of the population. on your slide, you can see that I put in quotes the from Miami Dade to Wakulla
County because it really embodies so much of the the political, cultural, and social diversity among communities in our state. Um, and it really reinforces the one-sizefits-all uh which is the basis for counties
adopting home rule charters of self-governance. I mean, that that really shows you what it what it's all about in Florida because it's such a vast state with so many differences. Um, and uh, of course, I I I I'd be remiss
if I didn't recognize uh, Dr. Howard Kesler, former county commissioner, uh, Wakulla County, uh, and was a sitting commissioner at the time when Wakulla adopted its charter in 2008. But between Miami and Dade, the map shows you not just the geographical difference
spanning the entire state. It's also the largest and smallest county by population. Uh 37,000 people to 2.8 million people. Uh also the first and most recent charters adopted by voters
uh from 1957 Miami Dade to 2008. So very different features, very different everything between these two counties, but also the 20 counties across the state. Interlocal affairs. When you think about cities and counties and and
opportunities for conflicts, I immediately think of well how many municipalities are in that county, right? We always talk Tallahassee and and Leyon County, you got one city in the county. uh it should be easy and sometimes it is and we have a great working relationship with the city and
sometimes there's things and areas where there are going to be conflicts and and that happens and we work through it but just to give you an idea the makeup of charter counties in the state you've got three with over 30 municipalities Palm Beach Broward Miami Dade Panellis has 24
another handful have you know more than a dozen cities uh three counties have only two municipalities and and two have one Leon and the other one being uh Charlotte County with with Panagora. So that plays a part when we when we're thinking about conflicts between
municipal ordinances and county ordinances. You you always want to take into consideration are are are we prevailing over one city, five cities, 30 cities? It's just part of the calculation. So, what do these 20 charter counties uh
what do the 20 charters say about the prevalence of municipal and county ordinances in the event of conflict? First, I want to take two anomalies out. We talked about Miami Dade being a a charter adopted in 1957 that predates
the Florida Constitution 1968, which gave us the opportunity to become charter counties. So, it's a little bit of a different structure. they they consider themselves a central metropolitan government. And then you also have Duval County uh which was incorporated about adopted about 10
years later in the late60s. That's a consolidated government. So when we compare charter counties, we we often cast those two aside. They're just very different in and unique in their structure. >> They're countries. >> They're countries. Uh
so looking at the remaining 18 uh most of them 11 of the 18 uh provide for county ordinances to prevail in specific circumstances. Leyon County is among those 11. Leyon County has uh uh a
provision for minimum countywide environmental standards which prevail within the municipal limits. Um, another other examples, other counties, um, they have ordinances that prevail on elements of the comprehensive plan, uh,
regulation of alcohol sales, uh, regulation of adult entertainment, uh, or, you know, as the county administrator likes to say, all the fun things. Had to put that in there. Sean Pitman wasn't here, so I had to put that in. >> Ken, weren't you? Uh you'll see on page
6B there's a list of the counties and the things that the counties have conflicts. It's 6B under there. Just not to give you all the details, but this is kind of fun to read and addressing. >> And finally, you've got seven counties uh like Wakulla that say municipal
ordinances will prevail without exception. None of these 18 have ordinances that where or have charters where the the county's ordinance are going to supersede in all circumstances allowed by law. So again, just gives you the different
makeup the 11 7 and zero. So again, not trying to give you a hard cell, just things to think about, some examples, all of which are covered in your materials, reasons why you might want to consider this, potential
benefits, um the opportunity to avoid intergovernmental or interlocal conflicts and disputes. Uh one example we've we've avoided um uh relates to emergency management and the activation
during an emergency. This is a uh this is a statutory uh exemption or provision we have. There was a time where the city and the county here locally we we were having a conflict over who's in charge during an activation. Well, the statutes
are very clear uh that that during an activation uh the county is the lead entity in in activating the emergency plan, coordinating resources with the state, public messaging for safety. Um all of those things um help avoid the conflict and kind of stepping on each
other's toes. Um, you could apply a charter amendment to other regulatory areas uh where you think this might have u the potential to avoid future conflicts and disputes between the county and the city of Tallahassee or some future municipality going forward.
Um, another one, regulatory uniformity on countywide issues. I was going to talk a little bit about the street addressing um but really that's about having infrastructure and systems that cross jurisdictional lines like the name of a
street um and and wanting to avoid fragmented implementation um we we've all driven uh down Centerville and Blairstone and Wani Boulevard and without making one turn in your car. Uh
and and so in our street naming and renaming ordinance, we we want to avoid that going forward. Uh where we're not providing one segment of road with multiple names. Uh again, the importance being uh emergency response, GPS, uh
ensuring public safety and and uh protecting life and property and and on this addressing issue, I'm looking at you, Barry Wilcox, because I know you live this uh in your time with the county. uh unified standards based on geography
not political jurisdiction. The best example of this is the minimum environmental standards we have in place today. Uh there was a time before the charter amendment was adopted in 2010 where you had uh different standards between the city and the county creating
uh some flooding issues downstream in the unincorporated area. again because you had different standards. You had developments that were taking place right on the jurisdictional line and trying to opt into the city to get the lower standards. Um things like that
could be uh avoided if you've got provisions in your charter that speak to unifi unified standards. Um and the basis of of ours in the minimum environmental standards is all based on environmental factors, topography, uh
water basins and discharge, uh upstream downstream flooding concerns. Uh there's there's a foundation to it that's not just where's the line this year versus when other properties are annexed in the future. It doesn't change.
Providing a more userfriendly government. This is about ease. Um, people can experience conflicting regulations among county and municipal governments which leads to confusion and frustration. I can tell you that the county receives calls on a daily basis
from people. They're not sure who they're calling or who they need to call to address an issue. They're not sure if this is something that the county regulates or the city regulates. So from a userfriendly standpoint, there may be a benefit to uh considering a charter
amendment where you have once that ordinance is prevailing. Um examples, residents and neighborhoods may find countywide regulations to be more user friendly such as having one set of notification standards when there's nearby development. You know, do we have
to notice 500 feet, 1,000 feet, 2,000 ft? um is it city, county? Another example would be business owners. Uh they may pre prefer to have one set of standards for uh the requirements and regulations for putting up a new sign.
Uh am I in the city? Am I in the county? Am I too close? All those things again just speak to being more user friendly. U part of the the struggle with this too, you see it on social media, it it often um uh perpetuates the challenges.
Somebody might be on Facebook or next door and they're sharing information about whether or not they have to put their yard waste in a bag or they can just dump a pile out. Um they may be sharing information about who to call for code enforcement issues and whether
the city uh does enforce that issue or the county does enforce that issue or not. um and sharing that information again because you have two different standards uh and and that's that takes place in in our environment. Final one again going back to minimum
community standards like uh what we have in place today in the charter for environmental um I in in essence the minimum standards are the baseline um to protect overall well-being but it also preserves the
autonomy of of municipalities to enact stricter regulations. So again, if you want to look at specific issues or or minimizing or minimum community standards, u you could do that and adopt charter provisions like what we have currently um while still giving
municipalities the opportunity to go above and beyond. Um madam chair, this is my last slide. I'll cover it very quickly. Um we just wanted to bring you the hard part here. This is
uh we've provided several options to help facilitate the committee's consideration. Um going through them really quick. Option one, you know, should the committee not wish to further advance this issue, you could adopt option one and table this issue. If the committee
feels the need for more information or analysis on charter government, on regulatory authority, anything else related to this issue, option two is provided. We would just ask for additional direction. What is it that you would like for us to bring back for your consideration?
Um, if the committee supportive of county ordinances prevailing over municipal ordinances in the event of a conflict, option three would direct staff to bring to begin drafting a proposed charter amendment for your consideration at a later date at a decision meeting, though probably after
New Year's. Option four, if the committee supportive of a charter amendment whereby only specific county ordinances or subject areas would prevail. Um option four would be the way to go for the committee. Uh we would need additional guidance of course on what those subject
areas might be, what you're interested in in wanting to advance. And then our our final recommendation is uh going with committee direction. So we we await your input. Madame Chair, that that concludes our presentation. Thanks very
much, Ken. Uh, yeah, I think one of the main points is there's going to be plenty of time to talk about this and any others that we have. So, you don't have to make any I don't think we have to make any we don't have to choose any of these options today necessarily, but we can. So, because a lot of this, you
know, we're all going to want to think about it more. So, we're going to move on right now to general business. And at that point, I will take um >> we can take questions on this. take. Yeah, but that's what I was going to do in general business, but going to take questions on this item. And I see
several cards up. So, we'll start with uh Dr. Robinson mind. >> Thank you. Um and not to borrow trouble, but >> I think you need to just Is that on down there at the bottom?
>> There's a little delay. just maybe just >> um not to borrow trouble, but let's say that we decide that this should go before the voters and it passes. >> Mhm. >> How is this enforced?
Would the county attorney like to take that on? I know there's a Florida constitution and so forth, but really how is how is this enforced? Um the way it is now basically as the statutes currently exist uh and the
ordinances too there has to be an evaluation of every time uh the county adopts an ordinance that's in the same topic that the city has an ordinance. There has to be an evaluation to see if there is a conflict and if there is then
very clearly those portions are different and the portion that uh governs within the incorporated area is governed by the city ordinance. Anything that's in the county ordinance governs in the unincorporated area. Now when there are areas where they can coexist
and live together and both be applied then they're both applied. So it would be the same analysis. the the result would potentially be different depending on if there's a conflict going forward. Whatever's in the county ordinance appro uh prevails even in the
city limits. That's the only difference. >> Okay. I'm going ask the same question. So this passes to lo use a colloquial term the county ordinance
as in playing cards trumps the city ordinance. Okay. How do you enforce that? How do you keep the I don't want to say keep the city. How is it clear that the city then because I don't want us to get
on this vicious cycle doesn't say, "Well, we're going to name the road anyway. How how do we prevent us from having meetings and then the city having meetings and then we having meetings and then the voters getting frustrated that
whatever they voted for um does not take effect. Well, um if there's not consensus between the city and the county about the fact that there is a conflict and therefore the county ordinance would
prevail, uh then you use the remedy that is used every day by individuals and organizations with disagreements which is the judicial system. That's correct. >> Can I just add madam chair to just Dr.
Robinson as a practical matter as well and I know this is something that Anita can speak to and that sort of thing. Um there's just a lot of difference that takes place. I mean it's just it's the law once the citizens vote on these things and part of staff analysis if
something was to come up at the city. Um again from a practical standpoint the analysis that would come back would be we would like to name this roadway today. If that's the case, the analysis that would come back would say give us that direction. We would do it. The analysis of the city that would come back as a practical matter. If this
something like this was to take place would be uh the county's ordinance prevails in this case, it must go to the addressing committee and this is how this is the process going forward. And again, there's an awful lot of difference. There's also times when um
the city uh or cities using a broader u context uh they might not have ordinances that cover a particular subject and in some cases they could be like by all means county cover that particular subject you know what I mean we'll we'll take that and and and be have not to say that there wouldn't be
conflicts but again once it's the law there's a lot of difference to that as a practical matter >> and so we're trusting in Lyon County the whole county that we anticipate our county, we're going to play by the rules. When I say the county, the city
included, play by the rules and follow the law. That's what we're saying. >> I I'll weigh in on the same issue of the street renaming. Chassity mentioned that the city wanted to start renaming. They got an analysis
and the city attorney said, "You can't because the city does not have an ordinance. There's only the county ordinance." So the county ordinance prevails. If you want to rename, the city has to adopt its own ordinance. And they did. When they did that, they went through all the right channels and
procedures and did that. If there was a provision in the charter that preempted the city from adopting an ordinance or or from prevailing, let's say, um that information would be provided to the commission. I I >> Thank you, Ken. Um, a lot of you have
your cards up and I'm not sure who was first in line or second, but I'm pretty sure uh Max Hurley was and then Ryan and then I'm going to try to remember everybody here cuz your cards were up right immediately after uh chassis. >> Thank you. >> Last always just because just because I
>> I had a Max >> I had a question for the county attorney. um the idea of inconsistencies with city policy. If you look at the section 35 uh
of city ordinance, um it specifies that on premise and off- premise alcohol sales will stop at 2:00 a.m. within the city limits. And so if this were to pass, um, what what impact would that
have on county alcohol sales within the entire county, within the city? I have no idea. I've not looked at that particular provision of the city ordinances to see if there's an existing conflict or an impact to that provision
if you know the con the charter were to be amended to provide that a county ordinance would prevail. >> Do you know if the county commission has looked at that issue? Uh, to my knowledge, it hasn't been discussed at a county commission meeting, but individual commissioners may have considered it. I haven't heard
anything about it. >> When does the sale of alcohol stop in unincorporated Leyon County? >> I have no idea. >> Does any county staff know when alcohol sales stops in unincorporated Leyon County? >> Yeah, >> we can bring it back. Yeah,
>> it's specified in uh article 2 uh section 33 of Leyon County ordinance and for alcohol under 22% it is sold 24/7 for off- premise consumption. Um my
question is if that is the county ordinance um would like SPE's grocery store in a in a bond neighborhood um would how late would they be able to sell alcohol >> but if we were to pass this?
>> So let's talk about this. You got a couple different options up there where >> I'd like I'd like the question to be addressed. >> What would the the this is what matters? What if this passes? There's the option where uh committee may want all county
ordinances to prevail in the event of a conflict or the committee might want to look at it more narrowly tailored. They might say alcohol sales should be regulated by the county. So it depends on how specific or broad the charter amendment is. Um, but let's say for
argument sake, you specifically want to look at alcohol sales. >> Uh, and the and the county commission um has an ordinance that says you can sell alcohol 24/7. Um, then then that would
prevail uh within the city limits. If you wanted to do uh a minimum standard, the county sets you you can't sell alcohol past 2:00 a.m. Well, now the city would be limited to 2:00 a.m. Uh they wouldn't be
able to go to 3:00. They wouldn't be able to go to 4. They can close earlier. They can close at 10 p.m. But so you could frame the ordinance and amendment either way. >> On on a separate issue, um the Lyon County government has a burn ordinance of some kind, right?
Uh no, we don't generally in fact there was an agenda item maybe in the past three or four years. Uh it was um a a topic that was um really a focus of Commissioner Miner at
the time. Uh and ultimately the analysis was based on federal regulations uh for air quality versus state regulation uh because they had been delegated uh to state agencies and there was overlapping
jurisdiction between uh agriculture and consumer services and D because one regulates uh activities on the ground versus another uh regulates air quality. whether the county wanted to uh basically take over that regulatory
responsibility and all of the financial implications related to that. Uh so so really the board opted not to uh adopt a robust open burning uh ordinance, but some jurisdictions have that. >> Is the city of Tallahassee one of those
jurisdictions? >> I have no idea. >> Thank you. Um something we might want to think about is uh issues that we put on the ballot which was like our constitution maybe don't need to if if an issue can be handled by uh an
ordinance by the city or county of sometimes a political issue that's hot right now. Uh once this uh you know ballot goes it might have cooled down it might have been solved by the board. So, we're not trying to replace the city and county commissioners and their ability
to write ordinances or uh so this is a lasting charter. So we need to kind of think big in this maybe not boring down quite so but you know I'm not saying we can discuss that all we want but uh yes ma'am
just as a as a final comment uh committee member Hurley does raise a good point and I think his point is uh what would happen what would be the implications for current existing provisions of county ordinances and city
ordinances and that is something that would have to be reviewed in total. Uh and the the county then the county commission which again would then have the discretion would need to evaluate if it if there are conflicts because
it's only if there's a conflict. um if there are conflicts, do they want to modify the their county ordinance uh to address whatever that conflict is in a way uh that's not currently the way it's not currently addressed in the county
code. So those are considerations that would need to be taken in consideration down the road. >> Right. Thank you. Uh and we are going to adjourn at 1:30. So we have a lot of people to speak. So I just I'm going to uh Brian Ray, your I saw your card up second during all of this.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Put your card down if you have uh completed your >> Got it. Thank you. And I the member makes a good point, I think, as does the the county attorney and the chair. Um especially in an environment where I think we're seeing federal and state preeemption raining down. I think we want to um be uh be deliberative and
dare I say trepidacious about, you know, obliterating more of the texture and we want to be respectful of political difference. Um but I think more generally did I see um that if there was something that was approved here that superseded city control on things to the
extent that that shifted responsibility for municipal services that would necessitate a whole other separate election for the the city and the county. >> Right. So, so a wholesale transfer of of
services is governed by an entirely different process and cannot be affected by a unilateral charter amendment. Um, that's governed by a whole different provision of the Florida Constitution. Um, you know, we currently
uh in engage in a informal transfer of powers, if you will. uh think EMS, think fire, those sorts of things. Uh it's very common for local governments to engage in that informal transfer of power by interlocal agreement and things
like that. We we have many interlocal agreements with the city of Taly currently, but that's different from an in a wholesale transfer of services that's governed by that different project. >> Thank you. Uh Dr. disturbable
that is that something that's been concluded that something that happened anywhere is >> so in terms of the language that is in the charter uh it it has to be one or the other. I mean uh one conflicts if
there if it conflicts one has to basically prevail. Um, but again, I think kind of what you're talking about is more of the the peace meal approach that many jurisdictions take for specific types of issues and like the
county this county has done in the past where it established those minimum environmental standards. Uh, but otherwise uh has provided that city ordinances prevail in the event of a conflict. But there there's no like uh dispute resolution uh type of process or
anything like that. Under the Florida Constitution, the charter has to say which prevails in the event of a conflict. >> Thank you. >> Um Miss Edwards, >> thank you. I'm going to go back a little bit to the prior discussion on before
you get to the legal process, before you get to court, is there a way for um the provision to include some sort of reconciliation process before a total conflict is declared. For
example, if there is something that the city would like to do and there appears to be a conflict, is there a way that the city and the county can reconcile that before the conflict is declared?
And it it seems that it's easier to amend an ordinance than it is to amend the charter. So that if there is a conflict, is there a way that the city and the county can look at the ordinance that's in conflict to see if maybe there
needs to be some adjustment there before the conflict is declared and the and the county ordinance becomes the law of the land, if you will. The Florida Constitution doesn't provide anything like that. I think what we see
is that happens on an informal basis now all the time. Like for example, the county recently amended did a wholesale amendment of its towing ordinance. Uh and one of the things that we had to do
was look at what the city's ordinances related to towing regulations currently provided. Um, I had many conversations with the city attorney's office as we went through that process. Um, and even
after the county adopted the new ordinance, we we've had conversations. Um, and there there are conflicts there uh that we know about. Um but there's also some um deference in that ordinance
about uh what happens within the city's jurisdictional limits. Uh and it hasn't become problematic. Um, I think it's I think those conversations occur informally on a staff level a lot
>> and then sometimes it does escalate to a more public posture between uh the city commission and the county commission and they try to work through those issues. Um, but at the end of the day, whatever this provision says would ultimately
be in the event of a conflict, if the parties can't work it out, what what would govern >> and and and I appreciate that, but I guess my question is even though the Constitution doesn't provide for it, it doesn't prohibit it either if if I understand the provision correctly. And
so it's e even though we're talking about a process here to get rid of the conflict or to resolve it or to address it rather than to go strictly a right to it's the
county and we're going to do it this way. So that that's my only point is whether or not we can have a more formal process and I'm thankfully there is an informal process that takes place. But is there a better way to again
resolve the conflict before we get to that point where you call a ball or strike? In terms of the language in the charter, um the the preeemption would get triggered
as soon as the county adopted an ordinance in conflict. Period. So the parties could decide that they want to um adopt a procedure to address any conflict, you know, reconciliation
process. Um but but if the charter expressly says in the event of a conflict, county ordinance prevails, they can try to work it out in the meantime. But but you you have to have certainty about the state of the law,
right? Um and so so that would be if there's a conflict, the county ordinance would prevail. that doesn't mean the parties couldn't engage in that reconcil reconciliation process and ultimately the county might amend its ordinance, you know, to address whatever that is.
Um, based on the reconciliation process, but but again, the language would be pretty express ordinance that were adopted if there was a conflict would prevail until a change was made. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, Anita Favors, you have a
question or comment. >> Uh, question. Mhm. >> And a lot of my questions have been answered by uh the questions that have been uh posed here except berries. >> So >> I was actually going to say the same
thing. >> Maybe you can remind me. Um we're talking about process here. in 2010 when the environmental um change was put before the voters,
there was a lot I'm I'm recalling a lot of discussion back and forth between the city and county. Did that happen prior to the vote or after the vote? But I do remember that after much consideration, we came to a real positive conclusion as
to how that should be handled. >> Yeah. And I think often times again conceptually again I know the first thing we we go to is you know these conflicts and what happens when and again I it's it's a bit of an overstatement for me to say you know generally in fact what happens by virtue
of doing these is you and often times avoid conflicts because the law is clear at that point. You know what I mean? So you don't have to dispute these things any longer. But it's important to note that again the county what the county what counties do in these cases is they set the minimum standard. Again, it's the
minimum acceptable community standard, whether it's a noise issue or something else. And again, for cities, the way the cities deal with those, again, as a practical matter, if they have a difference uh of of u of how they intend to address those things from a policy standpoint, they adopt a stricter um uh
um ordinance in in that provision, in which case that's recognized in the city. The stricter >> Well, in this case, when did that happen? Did that happen before the decision was made or after during that process? >> Yeah, it was there was there was an awful lot of conversation beforehand,
but again we we first had to again determine are the citizens going to approve this, right? And then once the citizens did approve it, then we worked together and it was really again like you said, it was it was a very sort of cooperative process. I think all of our I think all of our environmental people
agreed kind of for the most part of what the standard should be and what basin and that sort of thing and then all those issues were worked out. >> Okay. The second part of my question would be has there ever been any um we I appreciate the uh examples that were
presented and I think those are are very um important to take a look at but has there ever been an analysis uh an overall analysis of where our ordinances or um may conflict that would give us a
better picture of what we're really talking about here as opposed to simply say I'm looking at uh option number four instead of um you know an overall because I don't feel like even with my background I don't feel like I know what
that might involve. Um has there ever been an analysis? Do you know? >> Not in recent memory. And um even as as part of um organizing the the charter review committee um this wasn't something where we identified you know
individual problems. >> Yeah. >> We we talked about street renaming only because it's recent. It's you know a good example and something people get because it cross crosses jurisdictions. Um but we didn't go through our codes and say this one this one this one >> to do. I mean how how
>> crazy would that be? the the direction from the board was to to seek this committee's evaluation as to as whether ordinances should supersede the city. It wasn't just to go to to to Anita's
question to Anita, you may remember this as well, but just the environmental ordinances when we when we had to look at where they conflicted on one side of the road, you might have had a tree protection issue, Barry, where you uh protected a water oak that was 4 in in diameter. The county may have protected
a spruce which was six inches in pre. Again, it was an exhaustive undertaking to go through each and every one of those to determine where you had a conflict. And again, before we adopted the broader uh provision, >> you know, it made me think about your
presentation at the last meeting because I think it's so important to note just like um Ken was commenting about the state of Florida and how different various counties are, cities and counties are different too. even within the same area um they have different
responsibilities and the uh setup is different and the topography is different within certain areas and all sorts of things like that. So uh I would like to see us look at some specific kinds of things. Now, that may be more
I'm I'm not sure what I'm asking here in terms of how complex that might be. >> But I don't think we should just go into it without knowing that, >> right? >> We um I don't know if at some point I
mean we can make some motions later on. I'd like to hear from everybody about exactly how you would like to go forward and maybe that would be direction committee direction you know think about that. So I would like to go ahead and there are a few people who have comments or questions
and then we will um have you know have an opportunity to make some motions take some votes on that. Uh Barry I know exciting isn't it? >> I get to go now. All right. Madam chair you have to excuse me. I I two
questions. Um the the first being I noted in the the the table uh that we've got six or seven municip situations where the municipalities prevail in all circumstances. We don't have any situation where the county prevails in
all uh circumstances at this point. >> Ken, I know you're a foremost mind in in public policy. Is there is there a reasoning behind that? Is there a history there? Is there there some reason we see that that stark contrast?
>> Mhm. >> I think a lot of cases these issues are added to charters one by one. Um Panelis County has a lot if you were to look at their charter um it's in your table. Um,
sometimes there are a handful of issues important to a county where they say, "Nope, beach issues. We're controlling it because the beach expands many of the 30 municipalities in, you know, within the county. So, we're going to control the beach issues uh and renourishment
and everything. Um, so that that's basically the the short answer, >> but what you're saying is the default is let the municipalities self-govern and in circumstances where we may as a county need to step in, we'll we'll we'll choose those individually.
>> Well, clearly that that no counties have superseding authority among the 18 to 20 charter counties >> except for the 2010 amendment. Where does that fit in? No, we're talking about um chart charters that
have blanket uh county have blanket superseding authority for their ordinances. There there are none. Um there's 11 that have uh specific limited provisions like Leon County. >> Yeah. Second part of my question, I may
have a unique perspective having been staffed and been through these these battles before, but um when we're in in the case of like the EMA, when we adopted our our base environmental standards, obviously the the easiest thing to do was both the city and the county adopted the same exact ordinance.
Um still it it left implementation and interpretation and um you know, leaving some gray area for interpretation, not a terrible thing. Um but uh there are circumstances where the city may interpret things one way and the county
may interpret things another way and we still have that today. But there's positive discourse in that regard and I think it it makes the whole process better. Um I in circumstances like the now infamous street renaming where you know a portion of a street was renamed what happened in
the county happened in the city. uh that that's that's an obvious one, right? That's real easy is, hey, yeah, we would require you to to do the whole thing. But I'm thinking um in many of the cases where we talk about consistency and compatibility of land uses and things of
that sort and there's there's there's a gray area there. There's interpretation to be had there by staff of of what does that mean? and and I'm fearful that we'll have folks who say, "Well, um, I didn't get a good read from the city on this, so now I'm going to go
to the county and try to get a different read from the county on that." So, I think as long as we have separate regulations, at least in the land development code for for those sort of things, you're going to continue to see that sort of um that sort of issue
there. Uh, and again, I'm thinking of my my staff. I'm thinking my my my fellow soldiers on the field of of of local government regulation and and what they may be put through in that regard. Uh and as long as we have, you know, two
different departments essentially, you know, interpreting the same ordinance, we have an issue. And you may see where, you know, kind of heading with this, but um it's it's just uh I I think it's a bigger discussion. I hope we can discuss beyond just today. Um because I think there's there's a lot to be discussed
here. Um I I I mean, I like the idea. I I like where it's heading, but but I I think there are a lot of devil in those details that still need to be worked out. Right. This is our second meeting. We have a long a long way to go. >> Well, the option is out there to close it today. I just didn't want I didn't
want to leave that on the floor. >> We do the rest of the time. All right. Uh Dr. Lewis question. Trying to remember whose guards are up next. So, >> I want to follow up.
>> They couldn't hear you. >> Maybe it's on. Yeah, >> we got you. >> I want to follow up on committee member Edward's point relative to uh the language if we adopted
a resolution to move this forward. Is there a prohibition in in putting in the charter language, a charter request language a arbitration or mediation process?
or directing the two governments to come up with such a process. >> So, and going maybe we can go back in the slides. Let's see. Okay. So, so the last sentence of the Florida constitutional provision says
the charter shall provide which shall prevail in the event of a conflict between county and municipal ordinances. So, ordinances become effective within 10 days of adoption and being filed with the department of state. Okay? So, what
I'm telling you is there can be a process informal. You can put it in your charter if you'd like, but at the end of the day, if the charter says in the event of a conflict,
a charter ordinance prevails when there's a conflict with a municipal ordinance, as soon as the county board of county commissioners adopts that ordinance and it gets filed with the Department of State, whatever that ordinance says is the law, irrespective
of a formal or informal reconciliation process that tiebreaker if you will has to be addressed in the charter. Thank you. Thank you. Uh Dr. Kesler, >> thank you. Just to form clarity on the
um two different things on the uh street name. Um I I I see a clear distinction. I think and on the environmental I see an accommodation
but on the street naming what I'm concerned about and if the city in naming its second half of the street a different named it a name that was also in a county in
another location. Would that have been possible? >> Would they be would the city be able to use the same name uh in the city? >> Yes, this the city says I'm going to take this um Continental Street and the second half of it I'm going to name it Sea Street and but there's also a sheet
in the county. >> Their ordinance the city ordinance accounts for the similar sounding and spelled names. where it differs is the the city will uh break up a roadway segment and that and now it could have
multiple names. Uh I know we have that existing in our community but but that was something going forward we were trying to uh not further anymore. Uh so that that's where take a road might have you know one name on this end, one name on the other and a
different name. Yeah, >> that's what they Okay, >> that's Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh Daryl Jones please. >> Thank you Madam Chair. The reason I asked the question at the very beginning is because
what were practical instances where this conflict occurs is because I believe maybe this just one man's opinion as Miss Ed as attorney Edwards has said and as Miss Favors has said where we know there is already existing conflicts if
those were to be addressed in advance of such that Because I wonder for me if there is a conflict who will bear the brunt if it goes to arbitration or goes
to the courts it is the citizens whom we've described here as the ones who for whom we want to provide the greatest there was a term I believe easeability or e citizen ease or what however we
described it and so I think as a part of the process and I'm not talking about ordinance about that are no longer applicable about where you tie your horse or where you put your you know your your your your your septic tank. But where there are frequent we know
opportunities for the conflict to occur that it would then be the responsibility of government to address both commissions and then when we so such that this application would occur less frequently than often
and so then because we also think about as as Mrs. favors described when we talk about just that what occurs outside of what we call the urban service area those challenges are far different than what we may find within the urban
service. So when you think about those conflicts where it can be mitigated in advance, I would hope that there would be an appetite to do that so that when we if we were to move forward with making the amendment or making the the
charter amendment that it would cuz ultimately the person who's going to be inconvenienced by having to call upon the application of the charter amendment will be the person will be citizens like ourselves who may not have the will or the finance chances to follow through
such that that application can occur and there can be potentially inconvenience. And on another part of that, when we talk about recruiting businesses to our community, we have been intentional about making certain that there's a consolidation of services and provisions
made whether it be about permitting, environmental considerations, planning considerations, creating planned units of development. We've been intentional about making certain that we are on the same page on both sides of the street from the courthouse to city hall. Well,
I think that if if developers or people want to come to our community and develop anywhere, whether it be within the city limits or outside, they would not want to be heranged by those types of conflicts either where we know that
we can make those remedies in advance. Thank you. Any comments there? Appreciate that. Um, >> and Chanty over here. Um, Chanty had his card up. >> Yes, sir. Just >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, couple
points here. So, if if this uh were to be adopted and passed, so can we make uh against question from Mr. Hurley uh against the alcohol question. So we can make exceptions to this as we did I
guess for environmental and alcohol whatever to say that it does not address those issues or what have you. Madam chair >> I think I'm going to defer >> Oh no no no you you address all questions to the chair then you you
so I >> Yes ma'am please. Uh so the committee can recommend whatever iteration of this amendment
that it likes. It could be very uh subject specific like uh the one that already exists for a minimum environmental standards. It it could be a uh county ordinances shall prevail in every instance except for I think to
your point Mr. Hannes these particular topics. Um it it is really an an alloc cart uh menu if you will for the board to for this committee to um decide the
scope. So yes that is a possibility uh topics and subjects could get carved out. Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> By the way I knew the answer. >> Ma madam chair. Madam chair. Now I listened to Mr. Jones twice and did not interrupt him at all. No, I I not
>> I didn't interrupt you, Mr. Jones. >> It's not finished. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Madame Chair, will someone I mean along the uh question as Miss Favors. Uh, you know, I I kind of heard the answer to the question, but will someone review these
ordinances and and if we do this and they supersede, will those city ordinances then become just null and void? Those >> right, >> will they become null and void? >> Question for the county attorney.
>> Uh, yes. So there has not been a wholesale comparison of county and city ordinances completed because that is a an enormous project. But depending on the scope and everything else uh and any
direction that this body gives that's ultimately approved by the board of county commissioners that that work in those specific areas will have to be reviewed and analyzed to determine what the impacts are and then it would be a determination
by the county commission whether to amend the county's existing ordinances appropriately. But that's that's work that definitely has not been done because there's been no direction or need to do that yet. >> My my last yes >> uh question or point going back to the
street renaming that that was mentioned. So the city has a process, the county has a process. So once again, so if if there's a conflict, does it just go before the county committee on renaming
and it the street is renamed or not? How how I just want to be clear. I mean, and I know we we're talking about a real life instance of what happened here where the city, you know, wanted to rename this street, the county did not. So So what would happen? I mean, you
know, hey, I I win because I'm the county and my ordinance supersedes and it it is it is not renamed or I mean how what what would happen in that particular instance? >> Today currently the the city adopts the city adopted an
ordinance to empower itself to rename streets within the city. So there is a conflict between the city and county ordinance. The city ordinance prevails within the city limits for city roads.
But so I I guess in addition to that, so if this were to pass, I guess is is the question, we still they would have to both go before both bodies before any changes to streets were made. Whether in the city or the county, would they still have to come before both bodies?
>> No. If if if the charter amendment was specific to street renaming and said the county shall shall supersede the city on all street naming, renaming, address sequencing and so forth, the the county would
prevail in any issues related to those topics. Uh the county would uh approve it would be the final approval authority for street renaming, naming and addressing. Um the the likely result is the the city would repeal its ordinance.
Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um Darl, I don't know if you had a brief remark to that or Okay, you might put your slide down. Um Mr. Davis, do you have a comment question? Um
>> just quickly you kind of alluded to uh you know it thank you for asking the question regarding uh current issues and past issues because I think that will be definitely helpful in deciding what we do moving forward but um it will be quite a process. Has there been any sort
of an analysis regarding fiscal impact of implementation of this depending upon which way we go? >> Not for the county attorney's office. I can tell you that. No. >> Yeah. >> Madam chair, can I? >> Yeah. Too and and and trust me folks
that you know and I may have mentioned earlier I've helped >> counties across the state doing this. So this is very typical. We we want to get into there and try to contemplate every specific example. I can tell you I can't really imagine much in the area of fiscal impacts and we could probably
also not contemplate. It's probably possible for us to go through a comparison, but it's very difficult for us to contemplate in every case where there could be a potential conflict. I say that just to say it's also if you u you know come up a little higher is um
some of this is just philosophical to and that's okay. I mean again there may be a majority of this commission that says look we just believe that there shouldn't be a preeemption. It's a home rule issue for the city not to be they should be the ones to determine these things and sort of at a high level
philosophically. Similarly, a majority of this committee could say no, we we believe it's important in the area of these things that it makes sense for there to be a minimum standard countywide whereby the city could could could exceed those things. Again, so some of it's philosophical, too. I just
wanted to to mention that and that's okay. I think that's part of what the board was doing in checking with this group. You're the you're the barometer of that. All we can do is provide you all this information and then uh and get that feedback from you all. >> Yeah. Miss Ellis,
>> thank you. I have a question for Madame County attorney. So, to the extent there was a legal dispute between the city and the county, would that fall under the preview of chapter 164, the intergovernmental dispute resolution process?
>> So, uh good question, uh Miss Ellis. So that provision would require the two bodies to basically meet and try to hash it out in a public meeting uh absent some inter local agreement that provides
for a different dispute resolution process. Um, so that would be an intermediate step. If really the city and the county could not agree on the interpretation of the ordinances and where conflict existed procedurally,
they would be required to engage in that um dispute resolution process before it went to a formal um judicial proceeding. >> Right. So that would be before any judge would hear any kind of dispute. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yep. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh Ryan Ray. >> Yeah. Um thank you, Madam Chair. Um I have just to take a sort of first stab at um kind of characterizing the disposition of the committee. Uh so far it seems like at reviewing the totality of everything that we've heard so far.
It seems like there's a growing consensus much closer to the existing arrangement than anything too too aggressive in the other uh direction. And I think that, you know, uh, an aggressive sort of superseding at the county level would kind of put us on a policy island, would kind of put us out on a limb, uh, and very different from
our peers. And I think kind of, uh, in an environment where we're, um, you know, could muddy the water as it relates to to state preeemptions, uh, and that sort of thing. I think, uh, that would be prudent. So, just wanted to put that view there. >> Thank you. Are there other comments on on Oh, Barry. Thank you.
>> Yeah, respectfully, I disagree. I think it opens up a broader discussion that we need to have about uh about, you know, the fact that we are unique and that we only have one municipality in Lyon County >> and and and that, you know, we may be
duplicating efforts in some areas such as, you know, uh enforcement of laws and things of that sort. So, I'm I'm glad to hear the discussion. I think it's still for me it's still seems like we we've we're still talking through it. I don't think we've gotten to a point. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Right. Dr. Robinson. >> Oh, and and I I agree with um Mr. Wilcox. I I think we just need more information. Yeah. >> And the voter, the the citizen. Um I am I am really concerned about if this
passes, then how do we inform and how do we educate the citizen about the new structure and what this means and you know getting down to the grassroots level. who do you call if it's the line and who do you call if it's the poll or do you just call the same person now?
>> So, we we've got a lot of more discussion that that uh we need and the information >> that Miss Favors asked. I was wondering if there's a way we could look at some of the calls that may have come in from citizens with
questions and how many of those we had to then divert to the city to say, "Oh, sorry. You called the wrong place." That may be something that we can look into, >> right? Um, at this point, unless there's further discussion, we're still just
responding to the one item that the county commission asked us to address. Under general business, we can bring up a lot of other things on down the road during our further meetings. But at this point, um, I would like to hear a motion
if anyone has one that would either, you know, go to some of these next steps. These are pretty reasonable options for a board to consider. Um, you know, you can dispense with the whole thing or you can ask for, I think, committee direction. It sounds like it's what I'm
hearing that we want our staff to maybe go further with some specifics possibly. Or or we can I think we could just we can almost have a motion that we just want to continue talking about this after we've had time to think about it or talk to constituents or I don't know
it's the um the committee's um preference really on what you would like to do at this point on this particular on this particular item. There are a lot of others that we can talk about on further. So do I hear any comments? >> Chair I'll make a motion that we continue conversation on this topic.
motion. A motion has been made and seconded by uh Commissioner or Mr. Wilcox. Do I Uhhuh. >> Yes, you I think you can. Yes. >> There a way I I appreciate that motion.
Is there a way that we can and since I brought this up I I hate to be the one that >> uh is there a way that we can ask for I'm sorry. >> Is there a way that we can be a little more specific? So that we're not asking
for a review of everything in the world that exists, >> but maybe prioritize some issues, some that have been raised here and some that may come forward or even some that um have been previously identified as as major conflicts. We could um have a
substitute motion by you or if uh Mr. Wilcox wants to just sort of rephrase if you're willing on that sub subject. >> I would amend that. I I think I'd leave it up to to staff to determine what are some of those conflict points that they're aware of that have arose in the past and could they bring us back
examples of those and and possible solutions to those that we might consider >> possible. So rephrasing then more conversation but the staff addressing the conflict points that we we brought up today and possible solutions. Is that
>> a targeted discussion I guess on that issue? I would second in that motion or second Miss Favors. Um, all in favor of the motion has stated. I I >> I have a I have a question. Um, >> certainly. >> I guess my concern is that we spent the majority of this meeting talking about
this. And what I am fearful of is that people around this table are not going to have a chance to have their ideas considered. And so if this is on the next meeting and it has a lot of information from staff, I worry about it just kind of monopolizing the entire meeting. and and we're
>> well that's probably legitimate worse since it's one of the f that's the only thing that we were asked to really consider but we will try to hold it in an orderly fashion and >> but but that would be the expectation it would be at the next meeting >> right >> yeah we we'd have to look at that once
we got into it again from a timing standpoint I don't know if it'll be the next or possibly the one right after that but again we'd have to sort of figure out what the level of effort would take to to get you the information you're you're looking at so it may may not be the next meeting is really a quick turnaround with how frequently
you're meeting. So, uh, but it might be at the one following that, but it wouldn't be long. >> Acceptable. Yeah, this hot way. >> Just a question for clarification. So, you brought this to us for consideration. What else do you have that you haven't brought to us for
consideration? >> This is it. This is it. You were um And we we went over this, the first Yeah. No. Yeah. And and again, that's why I'm saying that because because I know that and but this was the one issue that the board of county commissioners said
specifically. They didn't limit your purview in any way. They said you all have at it and uh but what they what they did said is that say is that there was one specific issue which is this one uh that they wanted you all to consider and make a >> right >> recommendation one way or another. In
this great big book you have, you can see what the county commissioners discussed also and most of them were either preempted by state law or we already are doing it or various things like that. So yeah, so this is the one and only this point. Is there any further discussion on the motion?
>> Madam Chair, is it possible that at the next meeting we could discuss other issues and and that would give staff a little bit more time? >> In fact, we we still are on general business. I mean we have another 10 minutes or so. We can bring up topics uh as many as you like in 10 minutes and
then we can absolutely do we can continue on. I mean this is the process that goes on for quite a while and so you may as you think about this more and talk to people in the community or in your professions things may come up that seem interesting or or not and you
certainly can bring them up and see if there's any response from the board to say yeah I like that. Let's let's go forward on that a little bit. So >> one more thing to >> and just to add to that as well as I mentioned when we were doing >> it's always raining me >> no when we're doing our presentations earlier is that your future meetings now
that we have the presentations out of the way will be only for that purpose for you all to go around the table bring your ideas forward um give us direction and provide additional information back to you all and that sort of thing. So that's >> again you've got 120 days so no no no
hurt uh but uh but you will have that time at your future meetings >> right >> okay hearing no further discussion on the motion uh although all those in favor of the motion as stated by Barry Wilcox earlier about more uh staff
information uh specifically directed to the conflicts and questions we've raised today. All in favor, please signify by saying yes. >> Yes. >> And all those opposed, please signify by saying no. Motion carries. Thank you.
All right. At this point, uh if anyone has another topic that they would like to discuss, uh and I would say briefly bring it forward because we are uh obl obliged to
keep these meetings to two hours. Um, we can speak. Uh, yes. >> I don't have a a second topic to talk about, but I just wanted to make sure. I thought I heard two motions and I wanted to make sure that one was redundant or
unclear. >> I think the motion was just clarified and added a little bit was my understanding. >> Just making sure >> kind of Yeah. Well, Miss Favors and Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I I I asked that because of the order in which they were seconded. There were two seconds. So trying to
make sure. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> You're right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, yeah. So, I'm just to clarify, if you live in the county, the second prevails >> if you live in the city. No. No.
>> Oh, stop. Okay. Okay. Dr. Kler. >> No. I'd like to um I'd like to suggest that the um committee uh entertain the proposal uh dealing with the establishment of the office of the
inspector general on the ethics issue >> and uh that we heard from Mr. >> Are you making a motion to that effect? >> Yes. >> Do I have a second of the motion? I do. Mr. Dr. Stroble
um comments on that particular one. M Miss Edwards, >> I have a question. It it is more of a process issue rather than specific to that proposal. >> Mhm. >> What format should a proposal have? I mean, is it supposed to address
any kind of fiscal impact? Is it just an idea that someone has? What what are the requirements for presenting a proposal for discussion? >> Well, that's a good question and I I mean I think sort of uh at this point is
sort of general a general overview of an area that you're interested in and if you feel like there's more uh probably there will be quite a bit of more research and discussion. I think at this point we're in a good place where we can just say we'd like to talk we'd like to
talk about this. We'd like to talk about the inspector general. We have quite a bit of information provided for us on that or at least one once you bring back it >> one start. So we bring back an item and kind of move forward. You don't have to have all the answers or all the questions. >> Didn't know what to do if you
>> Yeah. Yeah. So right >> so yes. So, there's a good starting uh place with the three-page document that was that was given and there's also more information uh available uh to us that
we can have. >> Yeah, because this topic came up before the city charter review commission. So, there's probably a good bit of information out there if you want to dis want to think about that in advance. >> Uh Mr. Haynes, did you have a comment on that on this motion?
>> Okay. All right. Without further discussion on this motion, all those in favor of bringing forward I beg a pardon. Repeat the motion. >> Repeat it again. Um like the motion so we can >> I was about to I'm about to do that but
it's basically to bring forward at another meeting a proposal of establishing an inspector general um under in the county charter. >> Clar I just have a question. um when this issue has come before uh the city
uh charter review commission and the city commission um there's been a frustration at times from some of the ethics advocates that they feel like staff will kind of work on something and then it's very very far apart from the intention of of the ethics advocates as well as the body that voted to bring it back and so I would just like to ask I
don't know if it needs to be added to the motion but I'd just like to ask that staff specifically work with the ethics advocates as they develop the language >> for the staff to not muck it up you're Okay. >> Yeah. Well, >> I would think that that would >> Sure. Yeah. We we However, we would we
would do it the way we do all policy analysis, which was it wouldn't be the only information you got. So, um don't expect that. But but but again, we would we would review all of the legal administrative policy implications, what other people are doing, how you generally see this structured, but you'll have all the information um
specifically that you direct us to to include there. We'll make sure we do that. >> Right. and you can bring forward your own information in the comment to things that you think were missed or such. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Okay. Are there comments on this particular motion? Then the motion once again is to uh I'm I'm sorry.
>> I'm I'm asking for clarification on the motion. Uh the motion was that we look at establishing an inspector general position, but Mr. Payne said a little bit more than that. Are we looking at his proposal in totality? because he
also mentioned establishing a committee, an ongoing committee. I would say that the staff will look in a lot of areas, but I would assume proposal. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it'll be a a slim minimalist evaluation if I
know this county staff. >> Thank you. >> All right. Further comments are Mac, did you? >> I just want to bring up issues after he's done. >> Thank you. >> Pardon? >> I It wasn't a question about this item. It was >> All right. Well, Miss Edwards, was your question on this particular issue? Okay.
All right. One more once. Uh proposal to include uh an amendment regarding an establishment of an inspector general on our county charter. All those in favor of adding this to our upcoming agenda signify by saying yes.
>> Yes. >> And those who are opposed to that signify by saying no. Okay. The motion carries. So that will be coming up at a future meeting. I don't know that we know our next meeting is in two weeks, but ASAP. >> Fair enough. Okay. All right. Now, we
have some other comments. Uh Mr. Jones, Madam Chair, my question goes back to Miss Edwards, attorney Edwards comment in terms of are bringing proposals. Is there a if we just if we bring them
just to this meeting, would it be wise for us to perhaps inform the staff in advance such that perhaps feasibility could be determined
um or if there is already existing language or >> statute or that already exists that may already speak to the question. For example, for me, I'm interested in those
issues relative to the fortifying the collaboration between the jurisdiction between the county and the school district. For example, like how we provide sidewalks uh for ped to make it pedestrian. If
that's already captured, then I don't want to use that. But if there's a fe if that can be determined now um for example in the video you showed that you've made an investment in lit bus
stops >> right so I want to know I just wouldn't want to waste time or waste my opportunity for something that already exist >> Mr. county administrator. >> Yeah. Real quick, yeah, we um any committee member can call us anytime.
Like if you're trying to determine whether this is an issue you want to bring before the board, you can call us, check in, we'll tell you whether it's preempted or somehow there's an issue with it or a problem with it, then you could we won't do any u in-depth analysis on it until we know that there's a um a majority of this board
that wants us to do that. So, but again, if you have quick questions like, hey, is this pertinent? Is this out of bounds? Is this fair? You know what I mean? We'll be happy to answer all those questions. >> Thank you. You could call, you can call me, call Chassity, Ken, Nikki, >> but don't call any of the restaurants.
>> Yeah. Commission. Uh my only other uh comment on that note is so uh at the county there's a policy where if something is going to take more than 15 minutes of time to provide an answer, then the full board has to give direction to to to the county attorney's
office to do that. And the reason for that is practical. Um, commissioners have a lot of ideas and that's great, but um, we do require that the body give that sort of direction, but as Vince said, happy to answer. I
mean, you you can contact me and ask me questions. If it's a simple thing and it's fast and I can give you an answer, I'm happy to do that. Um but if it is going to be more in-depth then I'm going to request that um that be brought to the committee and seek committee direction to to work on that and provide
that analysis. Thank you. >> We're going to adjourn in about 30 seconds. So I think Chanty, did you have another question before we sign off? >> Madam Chair, are we not going to have the chance for every committee member to mention ideas that was on the agenda? >> We're going to adjourn in 30 seconds.
>> Okay. Well, I'd like to >> Would you like to make a comment? Yeah, I'd like I'd like >> uh I'm going to submit um to you all a idea I've been working on with some county leaders and it is to create a bill of rights for Leyon County. Uh at
the last meeting, the county administrator said that uh this group of people would be uh the the the group necessary to secede from the state of Florida. and uh I found some some wisdom in his words and uh in this
uncertain time in our country, I think that it is an opportunity for us all to show as a community the democratic process and what it looks like when it's done well. I think that it would be very productive for this group to sit around these tables over the next year and try
to work on sentences and words that we can all agree on as a community that we can feel comfortable putting forward towards the voters and uh finding common ground to all agree on. And so I submit these uh amendments to you all um not
with any particular uh marriage to any of these on the Bill of Rights. And I I ask you all to come up with uh your own suggestions and I just think it would be a very productive thing for us all to do some community soularching together on what are our common values and and put
that before the voters. So uh I I know that today was rushed and uh I I would just like to at some point have the opportunity >> bring that up. I don't know if you want to make a motion right now on this or if you'd like to further elaborate on this the next meeting. Um, I would like to make a motion to
have uh the five questions outlined in this attachment um to come back at a subsequent meeting for consideration. >> I hear a motion for these five questions that you've put that that Mr. Hurley's passed around to come back at a further
meeting. Do I hear a second to that motion at this point? Seconded, Mr. Davis. Um, without any further comment on this at this point, there will be plenty of time to talk about it later if we pass this. All in favor of Mr. Hurley's
motion on this uh item signify by saying yes. >> Yes. >> Those opposed signify by saying no. Okay, the motion passes and this will be coming up next time. So, thank you very much. Uh, with that, the meeting is
adjourned. This is Sky. >> Oh my gosh. >> I said he took my time. I want to have his comments. >> That's awesome. >> Awesome. >> I want to We don't want to squ
offer you. You're my my fate is in your hands in Broward County, too. Okay, let's do one last one and then uh and then uh we'll do the whole Amazon everyone buy my book at the same time. Okay. Yes.
>> So, your colleagues who suggested sort of a reimagining of the library. My question is, were they on to anything you think?