--------- almost on top of us. Uh Stephanie Davis uh will be our new director of ESSE beginning in July 1st uh for the retiring Laura Diesson who I've tried to not take her letter of resignation but she keeps uh it shows up in my door
every morning. So we appreciate Laura. Laura has been a champion. She's been she's been the best ESC director we've ever had. >> She's the only one we've ever had. Um she has she has really set the bar very high uh for a program unlike it's very
similar to a lot of other things, but it's unlike anything else we do that the goalposts continue to move with every legislative session and every time the state board meets. Those things change and we're expected to stay on top of those changes. And so I appreciate Laura. We'll we'll we'll talk more and
love on her closer to her time of departure, but she's been phenomenal. So Stephanie Stephanie's got a new role again July 1st. We have advertised for the Hosford principal job and all of that will be effective July 1st as well. No school Friday, April 3rd. That's
before our next meeting for Good Friday. Uh we have a mock DUI. Mr. Chad has organized this along with a lot of lot of uh people FHP, the emergency services, everybody. Um and that'll be on
Thursday, March 19th at 10:00 a.m. Um if you've never had if you've never seen one of our their I say their mock DUI, they let me have a little small portion uh talking about it, but we're moving. We used to have it on the football field obviously with the track can't do it. So we're going to do it back behind the bus
bus loop, I believe. Mr. shed. Uh still going to try to land a helicopter for for make it very real. I tell you when that helicopter lands and that ambulance starts coming and parents are notified that there's a fatality, it is a very moving experience. We've had some of our staff over the years who have been
actors and they they they were spoke to cry. It didn't take much for them to cry because it became very real to them. Um so our daughter Eddie was one that was injured in one of those things right now. They asked her to scream bloody murder. She didn't have any problem with that.
>> So, so we want to encourage you to come to that. It's very we want these we want these kids before prom uh to understand the dangers of of uh drinking and driving and paired driving. Yes. >> Will we be able to have that at the field or we
>> do it at the bus loop? >> A bus loop. >> Bus loop. >> I was on my couch. shoes. >> All right. >> So, it's going to be actually back there. Go through the second gate. It's going to be in that courtyard area. We're
going to set those up right there in that loop. >> Inside >> Sorry, I was putting stuff on my calendar. >> Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I'm going too fast. >> No, it's fine. >> Um, >> so I want to encourage y'all to come to that. Miss M. Chad, you want to say anything or just
>> Listen, you know, this is impactful. We we try to make it as impactful as we can. Um we, as Mr. K said, you know, we've had parents that have participated in this before and refuse to do it now
just because of the reality of it and and been told that that your child is has fatality. And um you know if we can save one kid, you know, we want to save them all, right? But if we can get them to
one kid, >> say, you know what, we're not going to do that. And >> it's it's real. >> Don't just make the cry. >> I'm telling you, it I still remember it vividly when I went a year or so ago. I
don't know when, but I that was, >> you know, and it takes I can't do this from angle. It takes a lot of organization, a lot of help to put this on and these guys do a great job and I appreciate all their help and and trying to touch
at least at least one. So, we encourage you to come out and see it. It's going to be a different scenario this year. So, >> I'll remind y'all of that date. So, uh that'll be on March 19th. And then lastly, uh this coming up Thursday, I'll
be doing an opening prayer for the Florida Senate. Been doing that for about 15 years. So before I was superintendent, I got to do it. Um and uh I got to make a presentation in front of a Senate committee along with Daryl Jr. from Bluntstown and from Khoon and
uh Thomas Register from Washington County uh about sovereign immunity. They are they the bill on the the Senate floor and the House to raise sovereign immunity limits. When those limits are raised, we get sued for more money. U give you give you a worstc case scenario
where it would cost us a lot of money. Um if you use the house version, it's a million dollars per person. 77 people on a school bus and if you had that absolutely catastrophic event, uh we
pray that that will never happen. Each person on that bus can sue for certain limits. So, uh, just to give you some give you some, uh, context, uh, Hurricane Michael for PHC was about $77 million in payouts. Um, one bus and
>> you paid me seven pass, >> one 77 bus, you could do, and then we'd be responsible for the most. So, what we did is we went and said, look, we understand that y'all hadn't touched sovereign immunity caps since about 2011.
However, it affects small districts because what happens when you raise those caps? Guess what we have to do? We have our insurance, our risk management insurance goes up to cover those caps and and those are real subtle increases that you don't see, but next thing you know, Kevin and I get renewals and and
and Katie and then all of a sudden you look say, "Oh boy, our property even though our property value didn't go up to ensure it does go up." So, it's a it's a very hidden cost, but it does count. And so it passed committee. There was a school board member on there, former school board member on there. She
says, "I know what that 3% looks like. I know that y'all struggle with that keeping that that 3% unreserved fund balance." She voted against it. And she's from a urban district, but she said, "We struggle with that as well as a school board, but at least they had some conversations." Bob Harris said,
"Hey, they're talking about it. They've not had these kind of conversations." One one idea was floated by a senator. What about small districts? Can we give them some money or have somehow slide and scale help them where it's not so overwhelming for them? And I I want to say that y'all have it's called rural
renaissance. That would be a great thing to help us. But uh anyway, the Senate ain't this has not been the problem for Rural Renaissance. It's been in the House, which again is not going to happen this year, which breaks my heart. But I'm I've been assured and reassured next year uh with the new leadership, it
will absolutely fly through. Uh so we'll take it. We'll take it. Lastly, I did put this on here. Uh our man Eric over there, we uh we love listening Eric with us. And if y'all got on Monday message, I hope y'all did be praying for him and
some upcoming medical test. And u he's got a got a team of uh people behind him praying for him, a bunch of youngans behind him praying for him. We we love him and we want to just I ask you all to continue to remember him in your daily prayers. And I do mean David, as you
seek the Lord, you seek the Lord on his behalf. But whatever's there will be nothingness and uh you know, he'll be able to keep keep rolling because he's a great he's a great leader in our high school. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you, Mr.
Move right on item five, addition correction to agenda item eight. Motion to approve addition correction 7A motion second. Thank you, Mr. Steven. Any discussion? All f say I. Any opposed?
Motion carries. Item B. Need a motion to approve addition correction to consent item 8 B. I have a motion. >> Motion. >> Motion secondary. Second. >> Second. >> Mr. Ke in discussion. All favor say I. Any opposed? Move on item six. Item
eight. We need a motion to approve agenda for March 10th, 2026. Have a motion. Motion. Mr. Ke second. Mr. Moore, any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Moving on item seven, item eight. Need a
motion to approve February 10th, 2026 regular meeting minutes with addition to corrections. Have a motion. >> Motion second. >> Second. >> Okay. Any discussion? All f say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. On item eight, consent item item A.
A motion to approve the following February 26 financial reports and transactions. Have a motion. Motion second. >> Second. Single. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Item B. Need a motion to
approve March 2026 personnel consent table with additional correction. Have a motion. >> Motion. >> Motion carried. >> Second. Second. Any discussion? All f say I. Any opposed? Motion carried. Moving on item C. A motion to approve
March 2026 updated civiliz. Any opposed? Motion carries. Moving on item nine action items. Item eight. Get a motion to approve idea part B K through 12 entitlement amendment one Florida Department of Education project of board notification. Have a motion.
That's Mr. Moore. Approve the second. >> Mr. J. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item B. Make a motion to approve part B K through 12 entitlement amendment to Florida Department of Education project
award notification. Motion. Motion. Secretary. Second. Second. Thank you. Miss Jody. Any discussion? All favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Moving on item C. Need a motion uh to approve Miranda random of the understanding between
Liberty County Schools and a tie to change council center PA to continue provide services February 7th 2026 through May the 31st 2022 have a motion motion second
>> second Mr. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Moving on item D. Motion to approve proposal and service agreement between the Liberty County School D and J Pest Control Incorporated. Motion
>> motion. Secondary second. >> Second, Mr. M. Any discussion? >> Yeah, I have a question. Um, is this Have we bid this before? I'm not asking. >> Mr. Petty and I talked and um the
company that bought them out and another company uh come to me and he said for me to get a few quotes and I got two quotes presented to him and this was a lower company. >> Okay. And and my question is this. It would would we benefit off of a of a
pest control service contract a bit for three years or whatever? >> Oh, you're talking about do it. >> Yeah. >> I mean they they matched everything with one price and it was lower on Pearson. >> They don't they don't change rate
>> based on your >> Well, I guess we we hadn't seen them change a lot. I don't think they they doing it so cheap. You ain't >> they've not come to us saying, "Hey, we need to raise it cheap." I mean, what I'm saying is, you know, we we've come
about this. >> It's working smarter, not harder. >> I try to get a contract and we might even negotiate rates if we, you know, nailed them down for three years. I'm just asking. >> That's an option. I I like doing stuff three to five years.
>> I do too. I mean and with an option to renew and then you don't but I I think piling probably we beat that course but I wanted to ask that again. >> No, that's fine. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. No, I actually had the same question as far as looking a longer term for for less cost and and then my other
question is I noticed the frequency of the spray and the cost like professionally I don't know very much about pest control services just from experience. Normally when you spray a little bit it lasts for a while. Do we need to spray in that volume? In other
words, can it be quarterly instead of a bi-weekly or a monthly instead of >> in other words, they're saying those chemicals only last for two weeks? Then we got clean. >> I mean, good thing they clean a lot, but
we have >> the schools the school >> the school is not the problem cleanness and all that. It's what comes to the school is process. >> So let me tell you one of the nastiest things that brings pest is book bags. >> Yep.
>> Understood. >> Food and book bags that's been left over. So the book bag comes and wherever the book bag comes and if it stays overnight those kind of things. So so it is Florida we fight the pest. So it it
needs to you have to sell top you can almost almost justify even more frequenc we have we have even have to spray the buses they just like Mr. They come on those backpack. We cannot keep them off the buses.
>> It's just it's a neverending battle. >> Who was You said you got two quotes. So, who was the other vendor? >> Oh, Miss O'Brien. What's her name? >> What's that? >> They bought them out
>> Penny has both. Well, no, actually never did send me a quote. They just told me on the phone they do the same price. just got >> you gave me your verbal then it's the same. Okay. Um Okay. >> So in other words, it seems like we
tried last week when it didn't work out. We need to we need to have this. >> I' I've added to it. I mean I've had to add this really bad. >> Understood. Thank you. >> And they have I mean like uh this last week I had I get work orders emails that
this certain room needs to be sprayed. I think Mr. Hey, you know, uh we've had to spray hospital a bunch of times if you contact me. >> Yeah. >> Usually I even spray the room if it's very bad. I spray the rooms on both sides because if you spray that room, you would run into another one. So I
mean we stay on top of it really bad. Thanks for sharing that. >> It's bad. Really bad. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries on. I read need a motion to approve Liberty County high school teacher Elizabeth and seven students to attend a state of
confotion. >> Motion second. >> Yes. >> Any discussion? All f say I any motion carries on it. Need a motion to approve travel expenditure by Katie Gun directed
finance to attend part two of cohort 4 institution of Florida school finance 2026 in Orlando Florida May the 20th through the 22nd have a motion >> motion second discussion all oppose I opposed motion
car item G motion approve travel extend for Mandy director Richmond to attend the 26 spring boil conference in Tampa May the 27th through the 28th have a motion. >> Any discussion? All favors. I oppose.
Motion carries. Moving on item H. Then a motion app to approve travel spenders for Stephan Davis HJH principal to attend the 32nd annual vision conference in Gainesville, Florida. April 202. Motion.
>> Motion. Mr. Keer second discussion. >> Yes. Being that she is this part of her >> this would have been something Laura would win. >> Okay. >> Sorry. Got you. Okay. Yeah.
>> All that. Any opposed? Motion carries on item H. Need a motion to approve 20 26 27 annual uh SBA renewal d to be effective 7th to 1st 26 be received 30 27 should individual board women wish to
invoke 617 221 two fs please suggest invoice according >> motion keep in discussion >> yes >> y go ahead >> this the first time we've had that
notation that I remember reading. >> I don't remember ever. I just don't remember ever seeing statute with invoking on it. >> I mean, I looked it up. I don't I don't understand the reason you said if any board member would like to invoke it,
they adjust your bill. What is the ramification that if the board member does do that? >> Um, so we never have. Um I I guess one somebody could say I don't want to pay that much. And I mean obviously this is
this is this is what our schoolboard association dues. So you could as part of the meet the annual meeting that comes with FSBA. You could grieve that. You could come in here and grieve that and then you take that before the the directors for FSBA and try to get them
adjust your what your membership. You're basically grieving that amount. So you may say, "Well, I don't agree with how they come up with the formula for that." So I don't agree with that. So I I want to pay $1,000 less. And then you could take that up with the board of directors
and figure out, you know, what's fair? >> Yeah. I mean, I'm saying it seemed to me when I read that it was like dividing by five. >> Charge for each school. Yeah, I thought my understanding was if one if one of us as a member said we don't have a desire
to be a part of it, then you can just adjust the dues by >> correct. Correct. You can do that. You can do that as well. Saying if you want to agree the actual thing, you can say I'm not paying. Now, let's just use a scenario. If four of y'all said we're not paying,
then they'll there'll be some kind of they'll make some kind of adjustments if that happens statewide. I don't know what they're going to do, you know, for us, but they do it based on, you know, FTE and size and scope. So, y'all y'all dudes are probably going to be lower than anybody else's.
>> 72 >> 7922. >> Yes. 7922. >> Can we >> I'm just I'm just wondering on that what if you say if somebody did I'm okay with what I'm saying is if somebody says I'm
out. What does that do to the rest of the board as in are you are you going to just adjust and that member be that one member that's like you're separated >> and can and that one person would lie unprotected or >> in that sense of the form I just I
needed to know what that meant >> can I make a request that we table this >> you absolutely >> and let me ask let me tell you why we're paying I don't know when this is due but this start this is the next They just build us. >> Huh? >> They just build us. >> They just build us.
>> But that's for next fiscal year. >> So, how can we are we going ahead and paying it out of this fiscal year? >> We would do it out of next one. We just I just put it on there to approve it >> to approve. >> But we can I can absolutely >> because I I think there's some we might need some answers. It sounds like to me,
but I >> usually when when I see a date like that, we don't even have the money yet. So, I mean, >> yeah, we'll have the money. I'm saying, >> yeah, it would be July. It would be July 1 because it's 26 27, >> right? >> And we're in March. So, and it sounds
like there may be questions on this and and but I I just would like to make the most. >> So, why don't we do this? Why don't I call Andrea Cena and just get some clarification? >> Lay it out little bullet forms and send it to us and let us know. But, you know, I think we've got some time on this. You
want to tell or you want to just pull I can pull it off and then we can deal with it closer to >> Well, if we table it, we can put it on in May or whatever. That'll give you time. >> Well, it'll be on there for April if we table it. What I'm saying you want to pull it off and let me just put it back
when we get some answers and then when we ready to pay it, we'll put >> Yeah, I think that's fine. But I I still say if we're It's going to be July before >> Oh, 100%. No, 100%. I'm just trying to check boxes of things that we do every year. Um,
so, uh, Mr. Chair, >> yeah, that last statute, >> if somebody will resend their motion, then then I'll just go ahead and pull that off. >> Yeah, that that's fine. So, I am definitely in favor of it. My understanding is it's a board members
right. I'm fine doing some research if you pay. I mean, >> if I'll resend that, then we can put it on next month's meeting agenda and then >> I'll get and if y'all decide you want to do it, it will definitely be July one on
>> Yes. So, whatever time you need to get it where whatever agenda, whether it's the next to next, I'm I'm fine. I'm fine with that. >> Okay. >> But, uh, I personally am in favor of it. I do think it gives a a good a good bit of resources and good people there. So,
okay. But definitely open to to you know the research and thinking on the paper. So yeah, absolutely not a problem. >> Percentage table just I'll just pull it. So Mr. Chair, if you'll pull I'm requesting to pull that
off with your permission. >> Pull it off. Okay. Moving on to item 10. >> Deleted. >> Delete. On item 10. First items. Need a motion to approve the county
school district bus replacement project award notification by Florida Department of Education. Have a motion. >> Motion. >> Motion. Mr. Moore. Second. >> Second. M. Jody. Any discussion? All in favor? Say >> I. Opposed. carrier. It's item 11 member
policy. Need a motion item eight. Need a motion to approve first reading of volume 26 uh number two January 20 26. Have a motion. >> Motion secretary second.
>> Second key. Any discussion? All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carried on board concern. Mr. Ke. Uh yes. So first thing on the list um the track is looking great. If y'all haven't had the
opportunity to take a look at it. Uh I I am extremely excited about it. Bleacher is looking great. I'm extremely appreciative of all the hard work. Um, I I have a a concern and express urgency for the need that I feel as one of five
board members to have a fence put up as soon as we can to fence off that track. Um, I think it's a matter of time before a kid goes out there on the four-wheeler and cuts a donut and tears it up or somebody drives out there just trying to look at it. I think we absolutely need to have that need to have that area
fenced off as soon as possible. I don't know. I think it would be a good idea to comb it off and flag it off. Um because I what it look like right now, you can drive around back while the gates shut on the north end, south end's open right now. So, I just know people are uh curious, right? They're inquisitive and
they're probably going to go out there and look. We definitely don't want them driving on a track that's just been just been done. So, but it looks great. I'm appreciative of the progress and all the hard work um from everybody doing it. So, as far as where or how the fence
gets put up, um, you know, I don't know if a board would like to have a say in it or if it would be fall something straight under maintenance as far as where it needs to fall. Um, I would just hope we would consider the the field portion um of the track and field that's
going to be out there in the area and spacing distances that would be needed to make sure the field portion is accommodated for wherever a fence may go on the south end to close in that area. Uh and hopefully there'll be some type of gates for endgress egress on the south end as well. Just just my thought
pertaining to that. >> Um also for clarity pertaining to the workshop that we discussed for Wednesday the 18th, is that strictly a general financial workshop or are we discussing
financial and preliminary budgetary workshop for this coming year? We're not ready for we're not ready for for the uh finance for next year, but this will be just to talk about what she's giving y'all. We'll make sure we answer all the
questions that you know what what is what um to make sure that what you're asking for is what y'all are needing in monthly. >> Okay. >> And then on top of that, if you have any questions, um you know, if you'll give them to her by Monday, she can hopefully answer them by Wednesday. She she may be
able to answer them. We we not we've not even started. I mean, we're talking we're looking at FD numbers and stuff like that, but we've not we've not begun. We'll start that probably within a month. >> Yeah. >> This was I'll be honest with you, this was something I have been I've been wanting for a while.
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Um this is for Katie to come in and sit down with the board and kind of give us, you know, an actual picture of where we're at right now. Um you know, and I'm concerned about making it to the end of the year. I'm sure we're gonna be fine. I just want to know, you know, and I and
I think if I want to know, this is the way I feel like we all should need to know >> where we're at. >> Exactly. And and and if we could, you know, maybe even discuss, he said, I know we're not ready for that, but maybe some things just jot down that we are
ready to to kind of are wanting to look at in the next fiscal year. Maybe that's something. >> Sure. >> From the board perspective. >> Yeah. No, Mr. Jody, thank you for that. I I think it's spot on. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to discuss the financials and and review them. I'm
absolutely on board with that on on the 18th. Okay. >> Um so, Jody, thank you for having that. Katie, I appreciate her as well. Thank y'all all for that. Absolutely. And yes, if I don't want to take away from the work that Jody and Katie have done pertaining to reviewing financials in
general for this year, but I think it could be a great idea for the the board collectively to be able to discuss, you know, next year. What are we thinking? What's on our minds? What do we envision? What we like to see? Maybe some general thoughts um from administration, from superintendent.
um you know I would appreciate that if there's there's time in something like that to hit a high level maybe budgetary wise just some discussion but I don't want to take from the financial picture of what she would like to present and it sounds like what Miss Jody has um in
mind and maybe discussions and direction that that she would like to go. So absolutely on board for both of those things. So thanks for that clarity. Um, you know, I had someone call me and I think I'm going to present this to the board as far as their thoughts and
again, we're coming up into a new uh a new fiscal year here shortly. I thought was a great idea. Um, the individual um discussed the needs of recruiting for
within high school for college pertaining to athletics. So, I know we've had discussions and continue conversations and discussions pertaining to academics, academic scholarship, bright futures. I know that that's a push for the school district. Um, I know
it's been discussed before and I mentioned a couple months ago about I'd love to see an ACT Brett portion high school to be able to help kids um that excel in academics be able to get academic scholarships, but this conversation pertained to athletics and
athletic scholarships. And it was proposed that it could be a good idea to have someone be a athletic recruiting coordinator for all the athletics within the high school to help people focused
on pursue uh put their information online, contact coaches um to maybe further progress or advance athletic scholarships. Um and it was some I know our coaches do that. I know our coaches have conversations, but I know our coaches are also very much so focused on
trying to win right now, thinking about playing in seasons um that it could be a good idea to have someone maybe buy a supplement. Um just like a coaching supplement that could focus on recruiting, helping students
that say that there be a single point of contact and they might play multiple sports. They might come and sit down and and say, "Uh, Miss Smith, Mr. Smith, I I want to play I want to play sports in college. Can you help me? Can you help me with that?" And then that coordinator
will work with the coaches, the head coaches, athletic directors, and so forth to be able to help see that come to fruition. I personally think it's a good idea. I wanted to bring it up to see the board's thoughts. And Kyle, if you have any thoughts obviously as well
on what your feelings pertaining to. Uh, I need to give it some thought because I think I think one challenge would be that most parents think their kids are college athletic material. You you'd have a lot you could have a lot more than you think that would say,
"Hey, I I think my kids good enough to play college ball." Um, I I've just been around it with our kids. You you see that with a lot of parents and and you still want to work with them. you know, at the end of the day, I want them to get have some some money for school.
That that's the the box I want to check. However they do that, if it's a good ACT score or a good curveball, um, you know, either one. And I I think our coaches do a real good job communicating with other coaches, you know, with coaches on the
next level. Um, you know, I I I've gone through it with my children and um, you know, probably one of the biggest things is those those, like you say, relationships with coaches. Um, I've I've documented films, took taken films
with volleyball games more than u I'd like to admit to. Uh, and none of that worked. Uh, came, you know, when Maddie got recruited, she was at a tournament in Atlanta. The guy came by, she was playing lights out. I mean, and he come by and gave her a card, said I should come for a try out. So all the videotape
I had done for four years was almost useless, you know, it was being at the right place at the right time and playing. The relationships are are huge. >> So I don't I don't know how big that could be or how important, you know, how uh
I I have to think about it. Maybe me and you can talk talk later about it, but anything to help the kids get some school pay for it >> and whatever they want to do. >> Any other thoughts from the board? I know I'm just spraying this on you pertaining to that. So I think a lot of
a lot of the thought is there there are a lot of stats them put a lot of videos to put together then a networking connection and maybe contact for the school. I mean, obviously it'd be the the head coach as pertaining to sport playing or maybe even a a headboard contact for the high school pertaining
to athletics for that. I mean, they've worked principal, vice principal, and so forth. Um, so I just I I I feel like I can I can think of a few individuals and this is a bigger picture. If I can think of a few individuals that I know have gone to state, placed in state and a at
a great high level and then there was no no athletic scholarship, you know, that came whatsoever and and a lot of it is because maybe this individual doesn't know how to get it, right? They don't know where to turn. They don't know where to look. Um definitely athletes that are out there and and I know of
situations as well where you know kids are kids. Sometimes there's a disconnect between I want to go play sports in college and I'm capable and your GPA might not be there and and catching them young, right, to say, hey, if you have this goal and desire, this individual
will be informed enough if if this was done to say, hey, listen, your GPA needs to be here. You need to go take the the the ACT or SAT, you know, this is what you need to look for. And you start young to kind of build them build them through. You know, the thought is if and I don't know, but if somebody earns
another couple thousand dollars to fulfill this job and one kid gets an athletic scholarship to play somewhere, it it it was worth it. >> Just one more, you know. So, that that's the bigger picture. So, if y'all could consider it, I'll probably bother y'all about it again, but it just seemed like
something that could be reasonable. Don't know exact um but it could be reasonable. Uh in my mind, that is. Um, but thank y'all for hearing me hear me out on that. Um, I think I've taken a pretty good bit of
y'all's time. U, but I have one more thing I want to discuss. So I would just my opinion I would appreciate a consideration just thinking about the the board and how the board functions as
a whole and how how action can happen within the board. So I know right now that we get along, we're good. This is a peaceful board and I love that and I think that's a great thing and I don't want that to change. But I also like the
thought of action being able to be put on agenda items by anyone in the board. Um, and it not just be say limited to per se by the chairman of the board. Um, I don't know exactly how that would look and I think it would be an attorney that would really need to comment on this and
this is just strictly to hear me for conversation. But it I think it could be a a useful or powerful tool for any member of the board to be able to put an action item on the on the agenda with parameters that would safeguard
the the the understanding we have. I don't want it to be a point of contention or problem. You know, maybe it looks something like, you know, I would like this to be a discussion item next month and then it be an action item the next month. But for each individual board member to be able to have that
capacity. Um just if you could consider that or think on that. I can see a pro and a con both sides for something like that to happen. I understand anything willy-nilly might be put on a on a board as an action item. That could be a problem. Are >> we allowed to do that? >> That would be
>> Are we allowed to do that? >> Heather. Heather. >> Hey. Yes. As far as I was getting unmuted, >> it's okay. Are we as board members allowed to add anything to our action
items to our agendas? >> So, I need to pull up your policy again. I looked at it once before to answer a question. Um, but I believe that your policy says that your agenda is set by the superintendent in in coordination with your board chair. So, as it
currently stands, I don't believe that just any, you know, any board member at any time could just add an item. But, let me pull that up again to make sure I'm speaking correctly. >> Is that something we can vote on to change or is that statute? >> That's that's set by your policy. So,
you you guys, you know, as a board, it's the policies belong to the board. They're your board policies. Um, and so you could amend that policy to create a different setup if that's what you want. I think what you have currently is is a pretty traditional setup, especially for a county that has an elected
superintendent. Um, but that of course does not mean that it's the only way. Um, I'm looking at it now, but I think it I think that's how it's said. >> It Hey, Heather, don't be put on the spot. This is not something that's got to be answered tonight. you could just
send us something um some some you know either the policy or how you know how it reads or something like that to the board members. >> Certainly. Yeah. And I'll I'll be able to find it even before the end of the meeting for sure. I'm look I'm I know I'm in the right set of policies. I just
have to figure out which it's in your bylaws somewhere. >> That's fine. That's y'all. She don't have to answer like the meeting. >> No, that's that's >> um and I I will be honest with you. It's not that I would want to put anything,
you know, personally, but I think our chair, you know, if if if he hears something and he continues to hear it or he or she continues to hear it, he says, "Okay, it's time." He gets with the
superintendent. I mean, this is my thoughts, you know, and says, "Superintendent, I think this is something your board. I've heard it several times. Maybe we need to think about this. put them on, you know, under board items. I think that's fair. You know, that's my personal opinion. I don't know by
policy, law, whatever. But if you if you hear a concern that, you know, we need to look at this or we need to act on this. I think I think chair should have the authority to talk to the superintendent and and then act. Policy
is now superintendent. I recommend it. Chair looking at it are three board members. >> Three board members. Yeah. So if you want to have a meeting take please tell superintendent I'd like to have an inclass meeting. That's the way policy
reads right now. >> Okay. >> Um but superintendent chairman. But how would we get three board members in Baker unless like what he's saying >> just an open discussion >> an open discussion and then we just get three board members in favor of that
>> to have put on the agenda for the following meeting. >> Oh okay. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I see. >> Okay. >> A lot of times if I hear something you know it favor. >> So can can I share can I share my heart
on that? Um please do. So, I've been on both sides of this, okay? I was a very active school board member, Dub Bua tell you, um, for 18 years. There's a there's there's lines here by design that I give an example, but the
county don't have they don't I think Mason maybe mean you talk about this being I can't remember one of us called they don't have a superintendent. Uh, the equivalent up there if they had somebody would be somebody like county manager, city manager, something like that. Um, I'm I'm the executive branch. Y'all
are the legislative branch. By statute, uh, the statutes say that it is my job to recommend policy to y'all. Um, when you start blurring that line, okay, and and you're coming in from your position and saying every month, we want to see
this ABC D, whatever that is. And I'm not scolding y'all. I'm just saying when you do that, I've been dangerously close to that as a board member. If I'm transparent with y'all, uh there's records of that uh where I've wanted a superintendent to do some things. Um
I've had some really hard times with superintendents in the past who would not do things that they were supposed to do and put it on the board to make a decision that really we should we h we didn't have any business in voting on that. There's there's some real clear
lines. And then there were some things I'd say, hey, you really need to do this. I really want you to do it. and superintendent said, "Nope, not gonna do it." And I would come to these board meetings and I I would plead y'all. This is what needs to happen. This needs to happen. But that that relationship that
the superintendent leads and recommends those policies is very important. Otherwise, if if y'all are sitting in my shoes and and this this is no this is no toque on y'all in any kind of way, but I'm here every day all day every day
about sometimes left, you know, from the time I start taking calls in the morning till late at night. Um, and I do every day. Um, there's a perspective that comes with being superintendent, being able to see all the needs, big picture items. I dealt with everything today
from from coaches yelling at kids to to track to insurance to bill paying. I've had meetings with PAC today. I've had legislative. I mean, it's a it runs a wide gamut of what I do and and so I'll
go ahead and formally declare today. this will make make some people probably happy. But uh I will not be seeking re-election and uh I will uh I'll give you that. I got a ticker on the phone 985 days. Um I've enjoyed this job. I'
I've loved every minute of it. But for the last five years, it's aged me. Uh, I've worked very hard to uh create trust with y'all to make sure you have the information you need um so that you can make good decisions. I I feel like in my
heart I know what y'all need and what you need. I've tried to be very proactive and making sure that before you hear something on Facebook or before you hear something on the street that y'all are made aware of it. I don't know. I can't always do that in a timely manner because I'm dealing with whatever the thing is. um you know when we uh but
I I feel like I feel like we have a good relationship. Now there may be some of y'all in the community that get uh you know or some of y'all that in the community you you get a bad feedback because you know y'all I've heard this you know well y'all just a rubber stamp
for everything puts out there. Um I'm I'm not going to put controversial stuff in front of y'all unless unless I feel like it's in the best needs. I listen to y'all. There's been times where many of y'all have come in and said, "All right, got some heartburn with this." Well,
let's take it off. Tonight's a great example of that. I got some issues with Not a problem. We'll take it off. I don't want I don't ever want to put something in y'all because I can't make a decision or something that's morally wrong or fundamentally wrong what we're doing here. We have been very
intentional on our money management. We've been very intent and and I don't expect everybody to to do it exactly like me. and in and you know 985 days somebody I'm gonna pass that baton to somebody else to can do can do that. Um
I do feel like my season's over. My my season has come has come to an end. But I I want to I want to challenge y'all to be very careful that when you start coming in as a board and saying, you know, we're going to get these three votes or we're going we're going to control the chairmanship or whatever
because we're going to we're going to do things our way. Then now you become a quasi superintendent. you start and and unless you're sitting in my shoes and and get full pictures, it it is amazing. I have an issue today where a parent called told me a story on my kid and it
was like, "Oh my god, I can't, you know," and and was complaining about a about a staff member um told me time, place, everything. Um I said, "I'll I'll look at it first thing in the morning." Absolutely. U first thing in the morning, I did exactly what I said I was
going to do. They called back before I could ever get there to the school and I said, "I'm I'm looking into it. Let me give me give me a give me a chance to look." Um, and when I did, those cameras told the whole different picture. Whole different picture. Uh, start interviewing students. Whole different
picture. Okay. Those those are the things that never come across y'all unless the parent calls y'all. I squelch those hopefully before it ever gets to you. I try I do my best to squatchch that kind of stuff and answer. Some of it's going to get to you and some of y'all, some of them will bypass me to
get y'all. I I hope that this position and whoever's in here for the next, you know, me for 985 days, but whoever comes after me that this this does not become a political struggle between the board and the superintendency. Um, I I hope I
hope I've done a good job. I hope I've been transparent. I hope I've been as honest as I know to be with y'all. And if there's things that y'all want, y'all, y'all all come to me. Y'all sit down with me. I'm not always available when you call. Uh, mornings are hard,
evenings are hard, and I try to walk away from it in the afternoon. I've got a grand young now, and that's about all I want to do is go spend time with him. But if there's if there are things that are on your heart that you you really have some issues with u I'll use this as example as we talk about Jody's asked
for a financial workshop and and and I've had to get to the point where I said when do we do it and how productive can it be when we do it. So me and Katie have been meeting for that. You'll hear me during the workshop talk about all the work we've done on this fleet stuff.
I have worked tirelessly. Katie has worked tirelessly to get you some information for today. And I've got a recommendation for y'all. Some of y'all may not like it. Some of y'all don't really like it. I don't know. But I can tell you that needs to I feel like that needs to come from me. Unless you unless you've been in my shoes and you've done
what I've done, and you're more than welcome to do that. You're more than welcome to come ask me and quiz me on anything and everything I do. I will be as transparent. I I hope that that uh I hope I'm I meet your needs. I hope I'm getting if you got something that's a pet a project of yours, something that's
u you know that you want to do or you want to see done, I'm going to try my ever loving best to make that happen. I really am. I'm not going to turn anything down. Uh now there be but I can say no. There are some things that I I love my cost money and I'm going to probably say I don't think that's a good
idea for the district and I and I'll be honest, I I'll be the most lovingly disagreeable person on the planet. I'll do my best. I'm going to cuss and I won't I won't shame you, but I hope I hope I hope y'all not losing trust in me. And if you are, I hope you come tell me and and you know, let me know what I
need to do to improve. I'm coachable and I'm not beyond making mistakes. I got a woman here that I've been married to next month 30 years and she'll and we don't always agree. We we don't we don't always get it right, but at the end of the day, we talk through those things. So, I would hope that before you feel
like I need to I need to, you know, start this procedure and trying to get things on the agenda, talk to me and let's see if I can get it. >> So, thank you. Thank you, Kyle, for sharing that. And I guess I should have led a little bit better than I did.
First off, that this has absolutely zero to do with the super team and zero to do with the chair, right? I respect y'all. I love y'all. Y'all have way more experience, way more knowledge at this than I do. And obviously, we would want
100% the attorney's opinion on this because she might think, "Hey, this is something that just it doesn't make sense. You don't do this." That's the case. I completely I completely respect it. the the bigger picture really what I had is I know that it appears people can
be put in pretty precarious situations right because of other people like because of my action or Jason's action Kyle you might be put in a precarious situation that all fall on you and it might really be something that that should fall on me to for me to speak up
and have to say hey listen I I would I say I would like to do this and I I'm not the board to have a conversation on them, maybe vote on it if that's the direction we go. So, it doesn't have anything to do with the lack of response or the lack of a bidly or lack of desire on the chair or or the superintendent.
It it more in my mind has to do with mirroring what I understand to be the responsibility of a board member as it pertains to say like a policy or a policy adjustment. So, it it's really just me trying to think about I want to make sure that I'm being responsible in
the things that I should do and not put off my responsibility, which is a community. Um, I felt like people have a trust me and had a trust in me and hopefully still have a trust in me to do things. And I don't I don't think it's fair to put off somebody my responsibility on somebody else. So, I I
appreciate you saying it, Kyle, and and you know, thinking about it, I see how it might might appear disrespectful. I promise you that is absolutely no nothing that's associated with you or duty. Um and and it's just a conversation point to see um I guess
number one um at this point with ever making that call and if the board thinks it's a it's a good idea or I do think that we haven't yelled each other, we haven't hollered at each other. We have been kind and respectful each other. a lot of boards it doesn't go that way and
I absolutely don't want to do anything that could compromise friendship or understanding um or a good progress I think that that we have going. So that that was really my heart was me me feeling the need to
take responsibility for me and my actions and just kind of conveying that thought to the board. Not not from the lack or someone else's actions. That doesn't have anything to do with that is is what should I be doing? Should I be doing something differently? Um and and
the board's thought if they've ever had that thought in their heart that maybe they should be doing something differently. and and if it if we decided collectively to go that way, okay, good. If collectively we decide no, okay, that's good, too. If we think that this is this is working, but I think it's a other words, it's the only way out and
have a conversation all the board kind of my heart is right here, right? I I can't have it any other way and it's not put anybody on the spot whatsoever. It's just kind of something that's been on my mind, on my heart. So that that's so I sincerely apologize if anything in a
negative way whatsoever to to the superintendent or the chair. That is 100% not my desire intention. It's really focused on my responsibility and what what I as one of five should be doing. That's it. So that that's it. Thank y'all very much for entertaining
that thought um and for loving me maybe sometimes when I don't. So thank you. >> Hey. >> Okay. Um Um, since we're talking about this trying to get money, you know what you want, you said a while ago, we want to see kids
get as much money. Has there been any movement on this DCF or trying to find out, you know, do we have any children that may qualify for this that are from the ninth grade to the 12th grade, you know, because again, that money, I don't know when it's going to go away. I don't
know when they're going to quit that program with the state. Um and and it would you know I would love to see our children especially if they're in the care you know been they're under the the what is it guardianship or adoption
through DCF um those are the qualifications if there was if there were any of our children that fall into that criteria that I'd love I'd love to see and I don't want names and I don't you know I just want to see us look into
that somebody to come back and say Hey, we looked at it. >> We don't have any right now from the 9th to the 12th, but we'll keep it on the docket with our guidance counselor and it'll be something. And I think he or she needs education in that too um to
understand how that program works possibly. Maybe let's join those forces together. Let's get DCF up over here, >> her the lady that I talked to and then our guidance and and maybe she can provide some education on that program.
I I don't have an update. I apolog and and I'll definitely look email >> and you may have and I just >> Yeah. >> Very well could help. I just >> Yeah. >> I don't want that funding to go away and there could be a kid in our school
system that could benefit from it. >> Gotcha. >> Um talked to Kyle. This is more for the board. Kyle. So, I talked to Kyle about uh our travel requests that are coming through and I asked him, "Is this the exact
money that we're going to be spending um if it's $900 to attend a conference or whatever?" Because through the state, when I work with the state, you had to put your pdeium down, you had to include an agenda. There was a lot of I mean, I
even created a little sample form for look at. probably just wants to tr >> We have that same >> Yeah, we have that same >> um and and because I want to make sure that the board is getting and and maybe and this is a good question for Kyle. >> Yeah.
>> Do we are we supposed to be I mean we've got an amount down there. We're approving travel requests. Shouldn't we see if there's any if like if there's additional monies like >> you would things that would be coming after that would be prede so you would know what
>> well it wouldn't be after you would know your prede when you go to travel >> well you would if you used them so for example like if I go on a trip and I send my stuff to Lisa um my pdeium it uh
your name >> sorry Renee may put on there what my meals are Uh-huh. >> But then I get down there and they're feeding us breakfast and lunch. >> Well, you that should be on your agenda though. >> Yeah. But but the agenda sometimes those change till you get down there.
>> Okay. So what we did >> sometimes we don't know about someone sponsored the dinner, >> right? Like like Co Pepper does they do a sponsorship sometimes for the superintendent, >> right? >> And so they do. So they'll do that. And so we don't we don't I I typically don't
get messed for any So, so what was put on my thing for y'all to approve is always list. >> So, it's an estimate. >> It is estimate. So, I have I have to give at least an agenda of where I what you know you know what our agenda time, >> right? And and that was my question is
is this something or am I the only one? Do we care about seeing any additional costs? Um or care about because with state the statute is very clear um you know what you have to include on your travel authorization request. Um and
there's also a benefit to the state which would be a benefit to the district like a justification as to why these people attending these things why we're spending this money on this which I know for a fact they are justified. I've asked questions about them and they are
justified. So, is this something that the board is interested in seeing or are you guys is this a >> I don't know what all be looking at, but I don't >> like what I was saying is the only the only thing that would change would be the prediums if they don't need a meal
or something. Those pians have already been proved to have time, >> but maybe not. >> Here here's where some of that can change sometimes. you you >> the toll fee toll fees didn't happen >> or let's say let's say let's say she had
planned on being down there for the evening and she didn't get out till the next morning or something or something happened where I came home early and didn't have to claim that lunch >> listen I trouble with the state >> you know I didn't like it and I always lost money thing is is it's never more
than what we're asking to be approved >> okay so it's never more that we're be correct have already done. >> Prediums are approved by statute, but we still have to put we had to put them in our travel authorization. >> Yeah, we have to do it. So, so we have to do it board members. So, the statute
changed a few years ago where superintendent and board travel has to be put on there. >> Oh, okay. Just nobody else's. >> Um, we put everybody else so you know what we're doing, but now we have we budgeted items for that. Now,
>> um, you should budget. That's where I'm going is is at the end of the day if it's let's just say Mandy travels and it's $800 and she's got 150 in travel for >> so like title two is for professional development. several times and I try if I know what other different people have
I try to fill that into title two like there might be something come up that I don't know about but like in June they'll be um it's always first couple weeks of June there'll be um literacy stuffs I know principles are going to have the option to go to that there'll be a week if all three went I can kind
of ballpark the budget for that when I build title two so most as much as I can I squeeze into title two most all the teacher stuff is in there >> but that's not We we don't know that. We don't see the funding source though. >> Say, >> is the funding source on there?
>> A lot of times it say paid out of title too for whatever. We we'll make sure that clarity is there. >> Yeah. >> And again, if if the if the whole I don't this is me and it's just because it's embedded in my brain about travel and and I you know I hear I'm six years
into to being a board member and I've got how how many days you say you got? >> 985. I got 985 too. So, you know, I got 985 days to go and and you know, this may be something that a new board member >> wants to know. We're we're spending more
money or you know, it's we need to be transparent. >> That's what you're saying is you you're worried about spending more money than actually approve. >> Yes, >> that's the question she's asking. >> Well, you're saying it's always lesser when we looked in it. There was only one. >> It can it can be. I seen one on there
before that had resort feed a different a different thing going to the same but then when I went through a check why do I check it right I mean and this will probably be and you may can answer this already this was a
question for Katie um unfortunately she not >> Katie's at the port St. Joe Toller was champion conference championship. >> We talk about sub pay and and this was this is some money that we spend a you
know we spend a lot of money on subs is long-term subs included in that dollar amount. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. It's a little skewed for >> so so I don't know if she showed you some numbers for January February like Janine's in there that's a long-term
sub. So that that's a little skewed in there. We kind of talked about that yesterday. About half the amount we told her was just Janine because she's longterm sub. So gosh >> and she gets to teach. She's >> it's served by teacher. So it's a little skewed. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> So it's about half >> like Mr. Chad. Thank y'all. a lot of people out there. Appreciate the call and all our staff and make everybody have a happy and safe spring break coming up. Thank you Jason.
Thanks Kevin all involved in that out there Mr. Shore all especially the kids I know they're learning a lot. Eric, uh, thank you for coming, Lisa, Miss Stacy, for to listen to the insurance, whatever
we talk about. Uh, Eric, praying for you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Multiple times a day. >> Thank you. >> That's all I got. I had a had a couple people talk to me after some ball games the other day and
other places and it's kind of tagging on what Mason had going on with football and us doing the EMT service all games. The question they asked me was and this is a big question or am every day
that's every game. Yeah. every game locker they they set up every pavilion or wherever every every game every sport and you know I tried to explain to him you know we don't have that we don't have to do that but u
I mean that is it was more like a couple of a couple of people you know kid got hurt in a game then a little later parent falls out passes out for some reasons. Uh but
their end question was well if they're just going to sit there at the fire station, why can't they be at field closing we would have one of the to be you Chad. So
>> if you could ask that question >> I can't ask you. I I ask the share for somebody. >> So that's gonna that's gonna fall, >> you know, services, >> the board of commission.
>> The board. >> Yeah. >> So So I'll answer it. So Mason and I worked for football season last year. >> Yes. >> Um about trying to have a designated ambulance. Now for all these years, I've been calling games for think this was year 37. So we've always had an
ambulance there. And even when I played, you know, u did y'all have an ambulance? >> Y um we've always had ambulances there and it would be the ambulance in the county that was on call. However, if they got
called, as you said, y'all remember some of this conversation that that Mason and I had. If they got called, then they had to go leave and then that would leave the football game a little more vulnerable. Um, so what we did, Mason helped broker this with with Jace,
is that can we have a designated ambulance, designated ambulance DMC staff that will not leave and um, can we do that? What would that cost? So they they done figured it was $2,400. Um, the county paid half of it and we
paid that. So it cost us $1,200 for all the home football games, varsity only. So, I made the call, hey, uh, you know, we're playing to Toller plays over here. Um, can we can we go kind of go back to the old system for those games? You know, those games don't last long.
They're eight minute quarters. Him, let's just come hang out. They're going, like Duke Boo said, they're at fire station. Can they just come hang out there? And I got an abrupt no. And Jay Ford got an both of us. Um, I never got
an answer why that was a problem, but I can tell you, uh, emergency folks told me no. And I've got will not do it. And I was thinking, well, that's no different than what we did for the Friday nights before. You know, you're not that far from where you're already
set up. You've already got people there with the understanding that if you had to leave, you had to leave. So, um, boo, you you we could if we pay for it, if >> you know that it would obviously come down that and then you're going to have this issue of what if you got
simultaneous games, you got a game in the hospital, same night got told, those kind of things would be some logistics issues. The other thing too is typically you have more more serious injury in football and I think that's the urgency
to have EMTs people right there. Um, our daughter tore ACL, you know, and that happened in football games, too. She didn't play volleyball chip. Um, and we took her, we we actually put her instead of Johnson picked her up. There was no ambulance there for that. And there's
typically none for, you know, of basketball, volleyball, softball, baseball. They're typically not, but that typically, and again, you know, there's always exception. You don't see those kind of injuries. You know, football, somebody's getting hammered every play. you know, somebody can hit.
Um, but to ask your question, you probably could, but we'd have to question up. I just I myself I don't seeistically know >> or anything of that nature. >> Mr. Morris, being a past county
commissioner, that's county commissioner's job. And if they tell them to be there, they'll be there. That's who their their boss is. So that's >> I was thinking >> that's who the public needs to see and talk to if they want them there. >> Y'all can't do anything. >> I wonder
responsibility >> and if they tell them to be there, you know, but I wonder I mean this comes from the board. I I would be in support of this from a dollar standpoint. I don't know how we would make it work per se. And I realize that these individuals
are on shift say 24 hours. You never know when they might be working. it might need to be sweeping and things like that. So, it might not be a guarantee, but I wonder if we could draft a a letter or something like that from the board and, you know, send it to the board of county commissioners and say, you know, we we've had some
expressed concerns. Um, we want to present this to y'all as as just a request if you can, you know, possibility of EMTs coming out and swinging by different games, being present at certain times when they're available if they are, if that's something they maybe could accommodate
and maybe make presence. Um, you know, we would appreciate it as a as a school district. I mean, >> well, that's I think I I mean, I personally think it could be a benefit to the county, but speaking from, you know, 25 on the board for the school district, I I would appreciate it if
they could if they could come out and be present at times and maybe, you know, something like a letter or request, you know, when they're when they're not sleeping or not exhausted or or something like that, when they are available, if they could make try to make a point respectfully to come to some of the games, it would just be
appreciated and maybe just compose a letter and say a kind request if you could and then you know let it go from there. >> So just I'm I'm looking back through my u text messages here on August the 18th. Uh I was told to talk to Melissa
and can we have the regular ambulance there for the Coler game tomorrow night? Game time six. These games are much shorter than high school games. Um her answer was my fear with this is if we do then all other sports will request us as well. Some days we may not run but a few calls and then others we run all day and
all night. Uh when at all possible I encourage my crew to try and rest in between on the chance we run all night. We've always done varsity but not the others. I don't want to set us up for multiple sports requesting us which would keep us quite busy. And I said well it would just be for football. And
she said once before we were approached about this and we took it to the board and they voted to do varsity only. I'll have to ask them and get you an answer. how many games and what are the dates? So I said uh she said she'd follow up with the commission and I said we've got a home game tomorrow at 6 and then one
on September 2nd, September 16th and September 30th. So it would have been four games for Toller and her answer was I spoke with all board members and they don't suggest we send the on call unit out to the Toller games. I had one commissioner say that they thought it
was a good representation to see it out of the games but four others declined it. I'm so sorry, Mr. Kyle. And so, uh, I had reached out to Jace, see if Jace could help me, and he, she said, I reached out to commission again. Three
commissioners said no to the onduty ambulance being out there. Um, I can contact my employee to see if anybody's willing to come in with the backup ambulance in service and get and be willing to know if the school's willing to pay. And I asked which three
commissioners was it was conver. >> Okay. Well, so I didn't pursue you. >> I would direct that motion to our county commission. >> That's that's where you need to talk. >> Kind of want to thank you Kevin and I thank the board too.
Took a while to get bus stuff and get it in, you know, get that in. But we just appreciate it. Maybe maybe it comes in every year bus or two generally you got 985. So get kind of just so my the way we've got going now we get one from
legislature we buy one get one leg. So, we're trying to get one a year. Uh maybe in get lucky, we might get two, but we do need them. We need them every year. >> And yes, the bleachers are they're coming along. Well, I've seen when they
put the first piece of up there and it's coming along. It's looking nice. Appreciate that. And uh back to what you were talking about earlier, Mason, uh with the action item stuff being put on there, one thing that comes to my mind
when we're thinking about school schoolboard policies and I'm thinking about protection of other thing and other that policy was put in place. It wasn't put in place just you know Adam, oh we just put this in here for to keep a board member from doing this or doing
that. That that policy is actually the protection of each board member too because if you if you get it where each board it's my opinion now if each board member can just come in here and add things to the
to the agenda or whatever you might say you're not only open yourself up to personal litigation you open everybody else up to his work. So you it's you become kind of like if superintendent
recommends we do something or hire hire somebody and we just say no I don't like that person. You got to have reason and and all to say no to the recommendation. But if you take it personally, then you
open yourself up and you can actually be sued by an individual or individuals doing that. >> Okay. Can I ask you a question? >> Yeah. >> So when you run and Kyle, you you've been on both sides of this too. You run
as a school board member. Okay. And you know that there are some things that we could do better. >> Yes. Um, and it's going to take the board's approval. And we, you know, we have an agenda. And I'm going to I'm going to be real simple
here. This way, Jody thinks I don't know how many, but this way what Jody, if there is something that that I felt very very strongly about and the board needed to take action, you know, and do
something. I think the board should have the ability to go to their their chairman and say, "Chairman," and I'm not h I mean, there's been a couple things maybe that I didn't step back because I didn't think I had the authority to do it. Heck, I'm scared to even talk to any of y'all because of
sunshine. So, you know, you got to be real careful with that. That's sunshine laws. And trust me, I taught it for over 15 years, so I know nothing. But I think when you run as a board member and and they trust you and they put you in that
position in this seat, they expect it to move forward, not stay the same. And I'm not saying that it hasn't moved forward. I think we've made some great strides, guys. We I've I mean, since I've been on the board and and I way before even
knew, I've seen so much happen. We have a like Mason said, we have a great board. We don't sit up here. We don't argue. We're not going to stay here till 10, 11 o'clock at night. You know, we don't do that. And if we did, it'd be something very, very serious. I can tell
you that that takes some blood, sweat, and tears. But I do think that as as board members, we should have the right to say, "Look, I think this needs to be on as an action
item." And if it takes three to get us on as an action item, then it should go on the agenda. If that's like you said, three chairman chairman talks to superintendent, it goes on. If it's something like that, um,
and that's all that's all I'm saying is is because as a board member, I'll be honest with you, I thought I would have a little bit more authority and I do. and and quote it sometimes feel like a rubber stamper because I
come in here there's agenda laid out I don't get any input to the agenda because that's our rules we don't do that I mean that's all I've ever known but I think that if we did have some input say hey you you guys need you want
anything on the agenda maybe we talk about it and if three agree or chairman or whatever I think there ought to be a little bit more openness to that and I that's my feeling on it. Um, but again, that's just joking. So, 9.95,000.
>> It is kind of that way now, though, because you got I mean, you're a month behind. But if Mason brings something up tonight in discussion with the board because he can't call me on the phone yesterday and
talk to me about it because it not legal. But if he brings it up in discussion tonight, three of us are say, "You know what? I think that's a good idea." Then it's going on the agenda. >> Is that right?
>> In every in every situation that if I had three board members >> unless it was something illegal or if I had three board members coming to me and say, "I listen to I listen to one board member who has issues. I I you know I
but if I have three then I need to I need to check myself and say that am I self-aware? What am I missing here? Because I have enough confidence in y'all the public have enough confidence y'all that if y'all feel strongly that there needs to be some kind of something done and I need to figure out what I'm
not doing or what I need to do. >> Um my door is always open to that. A lot of the things that we put on agendas are just taking care of the monthly business of the board. I I I'll give you a good example of something that could be controversial is what we're going to talk about in the workshop. This changes
this this is a possible change to the very foundation of and it's a fundamental change to our in our medical insurance. So, uh I would not want any of y'all to come unless you've done what I've done. It doesn't
mean you can't do what I do, but unless you've done at least what I've done to prepare for that. I I don't I don't think I don't I would hope you trust me for whatever recommendation I make. But at the end of the day, if you say, "Well, we're going to go for it." Well, then guess who's got to implement it?
See it through me. So, that's I guess that's where the line is very important because as the executive branch, y'all, the legislative branch, I'm the one that has to carry out the wishes. But what where that line is drawn is that I can I can say I want
50 kindergarten teachers. I can't have that unless you tell me this way or this way. That's that's where the check and balance is in there. So if I say, you know, I want to pay I want to pay Lisa $300,000. Lisa would love me for that. Um and
y'all go no. I can recommend it all day long, but that's where the check is. I can only recommend a budget. I can only recommend policy. Uh I can't I can't make any of that happen without the the corporate board giving me a thumbs up or thumbs
down. But if you've got things that are you really are passionate about I feel like unless I'm wrong over the last five years I've tried to address that or bring that you know I can go down the list and tell you all I just mentioned one about the the officials. You know,
uh, Mason, you brought that up last year, and I said, let's let's see what we do to do it. That took board action. That was a quasi way of getting something on the board without saying we gonna we got to get through. You convinced me of that. That was a real need. So, boom. I put it on the board, figure out a way to pay for it and do
that. So, I'm I'm available for those kind of things. You know, I hope I hope you have those conversations. But you know when when I ran for school board in 2002, I had somebody in the community who we all know says, you know, school board members ain't going to have power. And I
said, well, I I don't even like the word power. We have responsibility. We have responsibility as board members, but please don't lessen or don't think in any kind of way that your responsibility or or influence is lessened by what you do.
I can't do I can't pass any of this stuff without your approval. There this whole agenda would would go nowhere. There would be no travel uh approved. There would be no bills and the things that we have to do without your approval. So that is your role. My role is make is to bring bring it to the
table for y'all to take action. And again, as always, if something gives you heartburn, I've taken, y'all don't know this, but I've taken lots of things off where y'all come to me individually said, "I I'm not ready to vote on this yet." And what do I do? I immediately say, "Not
>> you have, you have done that." >> Yeah, I'll take it off. And sometimes you repackaged it and got your you know and I think it's a nice great example. I'm not ready to go on it. Not a problem. >> And you and if I'm not mistaken, you've got a 5 vote running right now. Correct.
>> I do. Okay. >> But but that's >> because we've never because we've never everything you put on it's great. I mean we don't Yeah. And and I'll tell you something, and I'll say this, I can't speak for other boards, but people want to know why we don't argue,
why we don't a because we grew up together, and I think we know each other inside and out, but and I feel comfortable with that. And it's not personal, it's business. That's right. >> Um, and another thing is I feel like we are briefed very well. By the time we get up here, most of us have asked our questions.
Um, and so you've done a great job of that. and your team. I I would say all of you have done a great job. >> We want we want to be as open. >> It's just I think I think it's you know there are some things that maybe we need to look at and if it's brought up you
know like I got something running sewage system replacement. I think there needs to be some some discussion about that and making sure that we got the funding because that was pretty got to a pretty serious conversation a couple meetings ago and that alarmed me and that needs
to be on an LBR. Um and and we need to talk about it. >> Um so that maybe that's something in our budget meeting we can talk about you know that hey look something down. need some money, you know, and because it's going to take a lot of money to pick >> and that that would absolutely be a great
>> Those are things that, you know, we need to get to and and I don't want to get in a rush because I am less than a thousand days out, but there are some things that I would like to to see um see done. And there's there's I'll talk to you some more, but always door is always open.
>> Yeah, I know it is. And I appreciate you. Not by either. >> Not I would I would like request next I go first. Let's start and let's go down. Okay, we
last >> maybe by that time I won't talk too much. >> Appreciate y'all coming. Glad you're here for the workshop. Chad, I hope you get for the workshop. Got >> Thank y'all. That's all I got. Any
closing comments on item 14 just made journey. Y'all want to take a little break? Take your grass. Part: 2
Hi guys special workshop Tuesday March 10th 2026. >> Okay. So thank you Mr. Chair. Um this is kind of a followup from our Monday meeting last week. Thank y'all for for coming to that. I want to thank Stacy. I
I invited her. Uh obviously everybody can come to this. So, um, she had some questions. I I answered those. I there was some ambiguity on how much y'all had been involved. Uh, she thought that Monday was and I wrote on there that
Monday was a follow-up meet to our first meet with Fleet, but that I told her to know or had met with Fleet. I said me and Mason and Jeff and Katie and them had met, but that this was actually the first time y'all had been introduced to Fleet and had the presentation. Um, so
I've got some information. Uh, I am uh I want y'all to hear it. Um, and and I've I've got a lot of information in fact. So, I've given you a handout there. I love handouts. The teacher in me wants to give you some handouts. The first thing you're going to see is something
that's is on our website. It was part of our human resources thing that Jeff has put together. It has our our plan contributions. This is very familiar with should be familiar with you. These are the rates that we approved. It kind of tells you um what we're what we're
doing now. Now, you can kind of hang on to that for now because I have this on another sheet. Uh if you would pull the next one, some of that's going to be on here and I'm kind of we got it broke down where you can see both. Um let's
just start at the top. I want to make sure that y'all know exactly what our background with fleet is because I I think honestly I think it's a wonderful opportunity on on the surface. Uh I've dug really hard into this and and I'm
going to give you my opinion and um and I want y'all to talk to this is this is this is one of those things that could be controversial. It could be a a split vote. I I think it's very important for us to be unanimous. If there's anything that we need to be unanimous on, I hope
it's this because it changes the very structure of me going from a fully insured program to a selfinsured program. Um I want I want to give y'all some some dates here. I went back and and pulled some dates here when we
started talking about this before. I know one of the issues came up Monday was a week ago was well, you know, I wish we had more time and all this kind of stuff and and me too, but I I want to tell you what what I my involvement has been in this. June of 2025,
Ted Ralph was named the director of the new fleet. Okay, so Fleet's been around, but it hadn't been called that. If you remember the guy that was here, Dave Stevens, it was under FSBIT, which was Florida School Board Insurance Trust. Um
so Ted was the superintendent at Swany County and as soon as he retired from Swany County in uh November of 2024 um he became the chancellor at DOE for education. And so he served in that role
for about six months. So in June of 2025 after his six month tenure at DOE it and I'll go and tell you it was not a fit. I felt sorry for Ted, but you know, he didn't break the deal. He felt Kool-Aid and it was hard for him to answer. He
wanted to answer questions to cook. He'd say, "Y'all, I don't know. I get back where he finally he just had enough of that. Six months about all he'll he'll he has told some of y'all that." So, June of 2025 around that time I get introduced that now Ted and I go I'm at
a conference at a fad schoolboard conference that Ted's now heading a fleet. So, he gets up there. Mr. uh Senator Munford allows him to get up there and share what his what this new fleet program I've never heard of. So that was my first introduction to fleet
was June of 2025. Um I'm at the June board meeting. I informed y'all of my interest in fleet of wanting to know what it is. At that point y'all had said bas I said I want to set up a meet with them and y'all all time you down so we take a vote on it but basically why don't you represent
the board at that meeting. So, uh, on July the 8th at our July the 8th board meeting of 20 and this is all 2025, obviously. I informed the school board about a meeting that would come up on July the 16th. Now, there was no there was no push to do it for October 2025.
It was always going to be October 2026 if we were going to do go down this road. There was never any there was no no way to do it that quick. I didn't even know what it was. We're still getting introduced to it. Um, and obviously my first beaten Mason was there, Jeff was there, Katie was there,
Daryl Jr. came over from C County that was in July and we have open enrollment in August. So there was there was no never any intention of making a recommendation to y'all to change for October 2026. It at the earliest if we did change it would have to be October
207. Uh, our sorry, October 2026. We couldn't make 2025. Sorry. When we met on July the 16th, uh we were informed that companies will not write policies at this time with CHP district. So that's Liberty, Wal Leon,
Gadston. So as good as we was, if we said, Ted, we're ready to sign up today. Can't do it. Nobody will write a policy for you. So I was like, well, d Mason loved it. I I I we all if I'm if I'm okay to speak for you and I think we were like, "Wow, this sounds really good
because you're cutting out the middleman. We got an opportunity here to maybe have some savings. We have those good years. That money goes to our account." Um so that was on July the 16th. On October 7 on October 7th, I
checked in with him. Hey, any movement? No movement. Uh we're we're still working on it. Um, October 13th, this is all 2025. Ted requested CHP membership data. So, I put him in touch with Katie and and started giving him how many
people we had in our group because he's working these groups. He's trying to get them to write. Checked in on October the 20th with him. No, no new information. December the 8th and the 9th, he and I texted back and forth. Hey, have you got any moving? I'll let the board know. And then February 10th came. February said
10th. I said, Ted, how's it looking? Good news. They're going to now write policies in the CHP districts. So that's that's how we got to where we are now. So I went ahead and said y'all would want to do a workshop. We did that on March the second was last last Monday.
Um and then we're doing another one tonight. If if they would have written policies back and we would have known that back in July of 2025, I am quite confident that if the board and the union, we all got on the same page and we wanted to go that route, we
would have been ready to to do October 2026. No doubt you'd have had from July to go ahead, you know, probably August, have them come in, pay the $10,000, get them start running numbers. You'd have had six months of runway. And then you'd have got to January and you'd you'd have
pretty much known that come August you're you're doing during open enrollment you're going to go ahead and switch over lots of runway lots of time. Um we don't have it now if we're going to try if we were to try to do an October 2026 open and that's that's
where we're coming down to u I've written down some things that y'all have shared with me. I won't I won't attribute these to any names, but uh drinking from a fire hose, 150% agree with that because I I think there's a
lot to to digest. We don't have data. Um it would be wonderful. It would be absolutely wonderful if I was able to say or Ted or me or whoever, Ted primarily to say, "Look, here's what we've done in Swan County. Here's what we've done in all these counties that he
has recently done." It's so new. We just don't have that. We can't say. What I would love is for a superintendent or a school board member to tell y'all, uh, Miss Jody, we did this in Swany County and and I know some of y'all reached out in other counties and that's that's what
that's perfect. That's what y'all do in your in your role of being an advocate. We don't have to doubt it. We don't know. It would be great if you they were able to say, "We did this two years ago and we've already seen rates stabilize. the fact we're saving some money.
Board's able to contribute some more because they've had some wins. You see what I'm saying? They've been able to put some money away because our claims were less than our premiums. >> Um interrupt. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, of these counties
um that they fed over 44,000 school district employees, >> right? >> Can he tell us who is live besides these three? Well, I just picked out one, you know. I called I was I called one of
them. >> Um and and and they weren't live. So >> they were with Fisfit before. Yeah. >> And they all the rest of them are just now getting in. >> That's what I'm saying. We just like you said, don't there's not even a way to
say, you know, like you said, is it are we going to get a good Are we going to get 7% cost savings? Are we going to get 10? Are we going to get 12? I would love to know out of these counties by tell if he could just tell us who's actually lying. >> None of them.
>> Okay. None of these are the three >> the three are the three the 12% savings is that where they're get because they getting >> well I think they're ant those are anticipated savings as the as the group deals. What I'm saying is those who have
signed on since June of 2025 and they have he's been he's been signing them up. Um, none of them have data to be able to say, "Okay, so we did this for last year and we had x amount of s." We don't have that data. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I would feel better. I'd feel a lot more confident if somebody said,
"Hey, we did this. This is the greatest thing ever. We were doing this and we got this kind of percent savings." They can project, but right now we don't have any data to say absolute sure. We can we can guesstimate because if you if you got away from CHP and you know that
you're paying that 7% administrative fee, that's part of what they they feel like to save you because you don't have the middleman anymore. >> Um >> but CHP is definitely not going to play in sandbox. They're not interested in this right now. >> Correct. Yeah. They're not going to do
anything completely. >> I wanted you to hear that. >> Yeah. they're not interested in anything complete. Um, so, so those are those are some things that bothers me not having that data to be able to say, y'all because it's such a fundamental change to what we're doing and how we're doing
business and how we're collecting. Um, we've got we've got something let me go back. Let me go back here. Let's just talk about this just for a minute because I'm gonna get down to some rates and I'm going to make a real comparison that'll be very eye open for you. Um, fleet exists provide collaborative health insurance. We know
all that. Uh, and I don't want to be redundant. Y'all can read. These are the companies now that are willing to write policies for us here in Liberty County in these CH districts. Florida Blue, which is old Blue Cross Blue Shield. Etna. We've had Etna before. Uh, some people loved them, some people hated
them. I had Etna. I I didn't have a problem with, but you know, it just that was my United Healthcare is what we had way back when Duby when I got on the board with Mr. Maryland was United Healthcare. Those things were doubledigit increases every year. Sigma
can't tell you I mean I'm familiar with Sigma but never we've never had them here. We have had United Healthcare u you know on the board since my 30 years. Um so this is what the fleet participation cost. Ted mentioned this
the $10,000 one time setup. You pay that. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to go ahead and switch over, but it starts that process of them getting you in the system. Um, you have to have board approval obviously and before we
can do all of that. And then there's going to be a monthly fee of $225. He mentioned that. I don't know if y'all remember, but that's going to run about a couple grand a month for 88 employees. >> Let me interrupt. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That would only come
into effect after we went out. >> Correct. Correct. Only after Correct. You'd have to sign the agree but we've actually jump ship. Yeah. Yeah. Retirees were there more were there more retire would retirees still be that that
number? Yes. That 22 22. >> Yeah. >> How many retirees do we have? >> It's on the next page. Can I get to that in just a second? No, no, no, no. We got all that wrote down for you. Capital health plan. What we got now? We have a
principal choice plan which and I I've got this broke down. How many's on that? That's that's your um your plan that's going to cost you more per month. Okay. Even you know and then you got the value plan. Value plan is going to have a deductible. Now principal choice plan
does not have a deduct. This is real key because I'm fixing to make some comparisons. This is some new stuff that I've kind of learned how this thing works. Principal choice plan has no deductible with CHP. That's why people like $15 co-pay, no deductible. Okay,
the value plan, you're going to pay a lot less. And I've got those numbers on the next page, but you're going to have a deductive. Okay, so people can decide, hey, I'm healthier. I I'm okay. I I don't want to pay much every month. I don't never go to the doctor. I I'm okay
with a deduction. Okay. uh when you get old like me and some of y'all in this room and the other might be more uh lucrative. This this is okay page two. This is where the this is the stuff that it have money last Monday. They had an
8.4% increase for the 2425 year. Um the board picked up $25 of that per month. The employee got 38.50 a month. That was for the 2425 year to make make up for that increase. Last
year we had a 7.4% increase. Um we picked up $45 of that. The employee picked up $1563. Okay, it was a little lower. This next one, this next one is is the one that
was open and I didn't get this information until today. We were able to get this from HUD for 2324. We were at 108%. What does that mean? That means our premiums were, let's just call it a million dollars. Okay, we were 108%
8% over that >> claim >> on claims, which means they paid out more than we took in. So in a in a selfinsured >> well if you'd have been selfinsured in that you're se saving the 7% you would
have made money follow me because that that there there administrative fees in that would that would have been a year you'd have made a little money you see what I'm saying >> um or or it would have been a wash
because it's 8% >> you'd have been right at breaking you might have paid a little. You might have broke even. Okay, last year under 145%. That that that made me stop. That means what that means our when your
stop loss coverage exceeds 100% it means that your high cost claims surpass the expected stop-loss threshold. So which means you would have to have the reinsurance or the stop stop loss insurance in there. you don't have it anyway, but you would have you'd have
paid out more than you took in. >> So, how how did we get this? Where did this percentage come from? >> Perc said that basically the that they paid >> 45% above what we were insured at. The cost
was 40. And now that's calculating in their administrative fees, their pharmaceutical benefits, >> the rebates, but they're not calculating in the refunds. So So my my question is are are see there there's a difference
between build and pay, >> right? So insurance will they'll receive a build amount for a,000 but they'll pay 350, right? So the question is even looking at this if we don't get a lot of
data it can be and I don't know a caveat but I don't know but it could be this is what was bill not paid that there might have been 50% difference in bill versus paid. >> They told me this was what was paid now
actual this was actual actually pay out. Now CHP are very they're very much hush about everything. That's about all you gonna get from me. I I told him I said I wanted to know what we paid versus what we paid what was you know
premiums that actually were charged and what you paid out. Is that pharmacy too or is it only on >> um they specify? >> Good question. because the the pharmacy is a big difference too and and the rebates that come on pharmaceuticals that comes in
they collect as well as different there's a lot of >> could be in there I try to get clarity if they'll tell me if pulling teeth now so so so we got a jump from 108 to 145 now if you'll look down this this has the numbers from that
first page on there um and and Jay you were asking the numbers so we got 13 retirees on the on the principal choice plan they're older obviously that that's a better plan for them. We got actually the line share of the of
the employee 77 in there and then you got 24 on the value plan. U a lot of them are employeeonies. Their their employee only cost is is $149 a month. Okay. We pay $546.39.
Uh when I first became superintendent, some of y'all got on the board. Uh uh it was 36339. 3 >> 386 >> 38639 that is exactly 38639. Thank you. >> Recall that.
>> It was 38639 somewhere. >> It was 38639 for years. Uh couple things that needed to do that. We have to make u meet the ACA requirement of Obamacare. So we had to we had to raise that up and
and we've been trying to make sure as much as we can to not there's been many years that the employees had to fund increase premium um and we've tried to manage our money to the point where we can we can make sure that that's not such a burden for them. Um so these
these are the numbers here. Um we have we have uh four plans employee only, employee spouse, employee child, and then family. Um so you see the you see the the price on that. Um I do the I'm the one on
family. Um so that's it's very very expensive. Um but I but I make I make more money than uh people as superintendent. So it's it's a I can afford that. Um and I got bunch of young. So anyway, but they're slowly but surely getting married and moving on. So
thank good real >> she still stayed on to the third 26 and all that and it's 30. So >> she stay on >> Don't say that too loud. Mr. All right. Um we're gonna cut the cord. Sorry.
>> No, no, no. Okay. So our 25 26 I make I'm gonna keep y'all longer. um our our annual CHP cost 1.2 million premiums. That's what the cost is. Now, I want you to hold this in one hand and I want you to look at Cal County. Let's talk about
Cal County. They have a self-insured plan. Um I have spent the line share this afternoon. I've talked with Walt County. They are also on the PAC plan. Jackson County and Washington. There's four counties on that. Um I didn't I think
Joe you asked me when we thought what about PAC we have we kind of gone back down that road at one time there might have been some others but slowly but surely they pulled off. Walton is I looked at theirs a top seven. They're in a whole different category of what they
pay. It's it's incred their start teacher is 52 plus or something like that. >> It's it's like 1,200 $1,200. >> It's a massive we don't math. >> Yeah. You can't compare. >> That's what I'm saying. So, we need to
compare to like like Calhoun. Okay. So, Calhoun, Washington, some that are more like us, you know. So, here's what I want to do. Look at the Calhoun. I don't want you look what they're paying. Anybody got a question? >> No, I was I was showing that
contribution what I'm talking about. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Okay. So, look at Calhoun. Now, they don't have the four plans. They have they they basically got three deductible plans. They're all deductible driven and again they're self-insured. U
so any anytime they have a a good year they put that bank which is what Fleet is advertising. Um they have a $500 deductible which is their very low deductible. Low deductible you will pay more each month. And then you go down to the $2,000 deductible which is real high
deductible which is very similar to our value plan. Our value plan is a $2,500 deductible. If you look at that, let's let's go to the $500 deduction. An employee by themselves pays $710.
Okay. Ours pays $333. Okay. If they have one dependent, this could be a employee and and one dependent, it's $1,762. If we do that, like an employee and
spouse, it's about $1,200. Um, employee and child is $9.49 for us. That would also fall under the 1762 for them. Their family plan is 2377.
Um, and then our family plan is 293. Um, so you you start seeing you start seeing that we're in pretty good shape compared to Cal. Okay, their monthly employer contribution is 44859.
Um, now if you come to the thousand deductible plan, you start seeing something that mirror desires a little bit. However, you still got a $1,000 deductible. CHP with the principal choice plan does not have a deductible. Um, so, so here's here's what I found,
and I shared this a little bit with y'all on the on the surveys. People like CHP insurance. They like it. And >> I love it. >> I I love it, too. I like it, too. Um, they like they have their doctors. They love $15 co-pays. They don't they love
not having deductibles. Um, but what they and so about 70 80 I think 80 85% of the people on the survey said we like we like CHP but if there's a cheaper option I'm okay with that but it will affect if if you went to something like
this now you immediately have a deductible now this is for Calhoun we don't have a quote for us we don't have a quote for us that I would I'm not optimistic enough to take a chance at this point so I'm going to wrap back this thing up. I'm not comfortable with
the time frames we're on to try. I don't feel comfortable make a recommendation to the board that this is the direction we're going to go without. I would my suggestion to y'all would be let's let's wait. Let's get some data from some of these other districts that are doing it.
Um, and let's see. Let's see what kind of savings they're seeing and try to use fleet as I hope they'll work, but at least try to uh use it as a little bit of leverage for CHP that hey, we're looking at other options. Can y'all can
you help a brother out and and that is simple persontoerson negotiation. Um, >> as a professional, did Mr. Rous have any input on is this going to be doable for 26 or are
we rushing it to do it by 2? >> Okay. So, so I'm going to be real transparent. As soon as we got through with our workshop on Monday, he made a beline demand. He said October 202. Um he just he thinks we're probably not not unified enough to do that. He's
coming from we need time to talk with the union. this affects them by by contract, we we we we have those conversation with them through an insurance committee. Um I can tell you with all the things that we got going on from here to August, it's not a lot of
time. One of the things that that Lisa and all the folks in the Katie Katie is being mama and I not she said I need to be there. I want you to have championship game and all that stuff down there for her young and then I get it. That's where she needs to be. Um, so I appreciate Lisa, our assistant finance
director, being here and I really appreciate that. We are converting uh Skyward has a new product called cumulative. Um, we will be the first district in PAC to change. G was going to do it first. Um, they they had too
much going on and could not do it this last year. We agreed well over a year ago to start. Everybody's going to go through it eventually. We decided they asked us could we go first? They asked Katie, Katie, can y'all can y'all do the first y'all the smallest district. It would be easier. What that will involve
is right now as she starts building budgets come summertime. Um, and even before then, we'll do dual payrolls, one at Skyward and then kind of a a dummy one in cumulative. Uh, so we'll
be running a couple things, a B one or whatever you want to call them, a duplicate as we transition to that system. There is a bit little bit of a learning curve. You know, we went from the old gateway system to Skyward. That won't mean a lot to y'all except some of the old people. I remember Gateway. They had they had had dot matrix printers and
all that kind of stuff. When they made that conversion, it was it was mindblowing. But this is a web a web-based program that they'll be using. Again, it's a Skyward product, so there'll be a lot of similarities. Uh easier easier to pull reports u and it may even be to the point where y'all can
do it yourselves and be able to do some of that stuff. A lot more user friendly. In the past, I remember back when Miss Judy Franklin was working, if we if I need a job at the high school as a guidance counter, I'd say, "Miss Judy, can you send me a class rank list?" And it go through they'd have to go through that to get it. Um, this stuff will be a
lot more user friendly. I'm not comfortable putting our staff through that kind of pressure. Um, we've got we got a lot of challenges coming into the new year. We we got to figure out staffing. We got to figure out how many kits we're going to have. Um, I've
already shot some commercials. start seeing some commercials go out. Um, doing some marketing stuff. Um, and I'm excited about all that. We got a lot to do. Um, I I I don't again I want y'all to hear my heart doing last year's
schedule of having the conversation in July of 25 would have given us well over a year to to decide. U don't know that we'd had any data. That's the thing that bothers me. We don't have any don't have any. And so
I'm not so sure that our folks are going to get better insurance. Now that's just my initial opinion looking at Cal's not fleet. They're they're it's a whole there's they are self-funded but the insurance cost what the insurance cost >> but we don't have any data.
>> I think from listening to him the other night it's going to be better but we can't be thinking we got we know we think it's going to be better. We hope it's going to be better. We don't we can't use the exact >> I don't think he's trying to talk us into doing anything. He's not an
insurance salesman, but we got to know and I would like to ask you Stacy as representative of the teachers union. Do y'all are y'all interested in doing something we're not sure about? I mean, I know we want to save y'all money.
That's the ultimate goal here. But, >> right, >> we don't want to make a uh oh in doing it. >> Yeah. You know, like you said, they love CHB, would love to stay with CHB, but if there is a cheaper because this is a huge financial burden.
>> Oh, absolutely. Just six years ago. >> Yes. Yes. I have I I have to say, I don't know if y'all are aware, but there are teachers going uninsured because they cannot afford what we're on right now. They they get the stuff through the
health department or the care.gov gov or whatever that is to cover their children and then they if they're military they can get a little something but most of them go uninsured because they can't afford the family plan and that's that's
un reasonable >> and and let me >> that's unacceptable to be honest because no one should go without >> but you don't want to see us step out on steps >> no because >> we don't know that's the problem is
we're kind of, you know, and I was when I talked to Kyle, I said, "Do we have a time? Maybe we can timeline, you know, kind of throw it out there to the board. Say, look, this is the timeline because we're at a renewal point with CHP. CHP
could potentially raise us by who knows. Yeah. It could be 10%. So now we're in a uhoh." >> Yeah. You know, and it was, you know, when we were in here talking the other night, it's like I kept thinking in my
head, I know you guys need 90 days for a cancellation termination for a contract. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, time time. >> So then I talked to one of the counties on here, the CFO in that county, and and she said, "When when are y'all talking
about?" And I said, "Okay." She said, "Oh, no. I won't do that." I said, she said, "Let scroll down." She said, "Hold up." >> She said, "Because I'mma tell you something." She said, "Your CFO >> is supposed to get hammered."
>> She said, "There is a big workload here. Whether you whether you want it, you know, I said, we don't we got less than 14." Uh-uh. You still got to do all this data. And I was thinking, uhoh, here comes spring break. Here comes, you know, we got all this other stuff going
on. How in the world can all this happen? plus termination of contract >> or renegotiating a renegotiation of contract, you know, and and it is it's a little like do we jump off that ledge right now.
But one thing she did tell me, if we sign the participation agreement tonight or whenever we decide to do it, we have control of our dates. >> Yeah, I as have to
be next year. No sir. But I'm with Kyle. We don't have the numbers to even say, "Hey guys, >> you know, in here there's an anticipation." >> Yeah. You still have the reviews.
>> And who need to get this? >> No. >> I agree. I just I may do it or I may not. >> Well, Jeff makes a lot of people right here. This is the part that's scary. Jeff just mentioned that. Thank you for doing that. Let's just say, let's just
hypothetically say we're gonna do it. And so we go to these companies and I say, "What was your uh your claims data from last year?" And we go, >> and it's the record >> and I thought it is. >> And so then they quote you on that it's
more than what we paid this year. >> Well, then if you active years like that, >> you know, you're not safe. you know, if your if your your claims are more than your foot, that scared me >> and and and I'm going to ask this question because I like you said and I we talked about everything we do is
public record, >> right? >> How can CHP withhold data that is our data? It's public record. How is that under some sort of like hidden? >> They absolutely they keep it like any
other vendor. But we've got, you know, we got >> we can't ask toilet paper how much money they made on the school. >> That's not public record. >> You can ask, >> you can ask them, but I'm saying that's not public record. They're not going to break it down and say break it down. >> And so we can't we can't ask for claims
data. That's it's >> we do ask for claims,000, but they're not going to give you and >> so would Edna would do they would actually take all of y'all and they'd say
back 2008 they'd say Mason and I'm just totally making this up. Totally making this up. Mason Kever paid just making $10,000 but he had $20,000 in claims. Jason Singleary paid $10,000. He had $2,000. They used to do they
would do that. >> CHP would be very good information. >> Here's why CHP doesn't community price. So So they they but I can tell you we were the cheapest last year. Wola was higher. Everybody was higher except us.
We had the lowest rate and we had the worst worst thing. So I hope you're going to have those years. Ben was very you're going to have those bad years. >> Concerned. I'm very concerned. negotiation point what you said we're a speck on theirs on their board
y'all telling you their bread and butter is the state government and they're looking at us going you got how many boys on >> that's why we pay so much we're not >> well I don't I don't know what negotiation power besides going in there be I mean honestly and just saying which
I do >> we don't >> we don't have any negotiation power >> so what is that gonna look Like I'm with you. You know I'm with you. I do not want to go right now. I I think it's like jumping off out of bluff up
there or whatever it is. I I I don't want to do that. Okay. That scares me especially when we don't have any data right now. We don't even have any comparisons right now. >> I haven't called these other counties and you were asking what about the teachers. They're concerned because they
have established doctors. they have medical conditions that they cannot treatment. They cannot stop right now. They're very concerned that they're not going to have coverage and not going to be able to pay. >> That kind of that kind of information needs to be readily available before we step off that.
>> They need to know they can their doctor >> and we talked about that other night and they couldn't they can't answer that really until they get it. We pay to initiate it get into it and start I don't understand that. I don't >> we're paying for their administrative It's a membership fee and it's a one
time,00 >> but they can't they won't pull anything until you pay the 10. They won't do any work at all for us, >> right?
>> But they got a lot of employees. >> They have to go 50. Look, it's not like we're I even talked to Kyle. I said, "Look here. Can we piggy back off some of these counties?" >> Because, you know, I mean, we've got the authority and statute. If we even if we
want to go to Leyon County right now and I don't know what they've got, but if they had CHP and and we're just a spec, we ain't gonna hurt anything if they would be willing. Usually it's the same size, same scope. >> We're not the same size. >> Definitely not the same scope. Okay.
Because we're small. >> But if we want to piggy back off one of these contracts instead of having to go bin this stuff. Yeah. >> Because I got bidden. Well, that's what I don't understand. I've yet to understand how can we be under the Florida retirement system.
>> Hey, this is the reason they make money off of retirement. Yes, >> you put that in for your pens and stuff and they're not making they lose money off. >> Well, and I was talking because I asked somebody to think about it and they said that we have too high of risk because we are 90% female. I said that's not
>> that's not they do it because the legisle >> the legislature supplements they lose money off00 they make money off interest >> they would have to pay yeah that that was the figure that if you figure what the state pays it about 22,000 per
employee that's how they that's how much they subsidize >> we wouldn't have lights on we would >> right now right now we pay 6500 over half a million years on the 77. >> So are we set on this fleet or are there
other entities? >> So the that's a great question. So the other one is the PAC selfinsured model. >> The model W is W >> which is what Calhoun >> but that's what I'm saying.
So, what I'd like to do is pull Jackson and Washington. When I saw Cal, I was like, >> "Oh, Lord." I mean, that's more than what we're paying now. >> And and you're going to have deductibles and you're not going to have your CHP off. >> So, to me, that's a no-brainer. Again,
going from our surveys, our people like CHP. >> Oh, yeah. >> They really like it. But if it was a cheap rock, hey, I know. I think that's probably the heart of anybody in the room buying anything at any time. Hey, I like what I got. Is there a better option? Cheaper option, but it still be still be
>> But that was somebody wrote that in there is if it's apples and apples. >> Yeah. >> So, if we got another identical to CHP and I have everything I got here, which we everybody sense knows you ain't get everything, but if you get most of that and have the satisfaction that you have now with your stance, absolutely show me
what it is. I will have that to show you. >> I found it's still not a one blow up at all because you're younger. I'm I'm an older I'm one of the ones I pay all I got in there. Um the the younger ones are going to want
something way cheaper. They they'll sell you out. I mean I mean you got in there they going to sell you out. They going to take this. >> They don't feel like they need it. But they when they start getting up there, you know, child, >> but we do have 90% female who are having
babies. >> Question and excuse my ignorance, but Katie Katie um gave me the dates I believe for CHB renewal. When when will we do our negotiations with
>> each rates in July? >> They wait until the minute as soon as get that finance office gets >> it's July. >> This is a double-edged sword. I'm telling you right now because somebody's going to say, "Why didn't y'all go try to look for something better?"
>> 10% if we get a 10% increase. >> We just don't. It literally it could go it could go great or it could go right back. >> I guarantee you it's not going down. >> No, I know it. But I'm saying what where
we're headed for the next year. >> What shocked me is when you said too like we found out like >> we're cheaper than Wola. >> Some some districts that are bigger than us. >> They we were the only ones that had single digit increases. Wa had double digit >> CHP. Yeah,
>> they do. >> We've had people teachers come and they see our wow that's a lot cheaper. >> Are we contributing more than just about every county? >> So, so here's this is this is my this is my commitment. Um if they come in and
they say and they have they've come in and said 13%. I'm packing up and I'm going and I'm put I'm putting my rebidding >> baking some cookies. I'm baking some cookies and I'm put I'm go and do a song and dance and
that's work. >> That is work. >> It's down 4% one year four and a half for free. >> You did you help. >> So So my thing is is let's see what again we won't know till July. But I'm not
This is me and this is me getting really knee deep in it. I'm not comfortable with the time frames we're on and the lack of data to be able to say we're going to do this. I our folks, nobody likes the increases. We're
fighting that. But I there's some other battles here I don't want to have to fight and that's changing doctors, changing deductibles, changing all that because I don't see I don't see any of those rates changing even if we did. So with the PAC insurance though, we're we we have the data and know the rates and
everything there. It's the data from fleet and those going live on there. >> Correct. >> And it just and again it's just such a new thing you know but it does increase our >> our group of Florida >> you find out these other counties
>> and you see a pretty would you let us know and ask them they shouldn't ask them if they got alternate contract sources. >> So so y'all understand what she's asking about that. So we do we do this already. >> I'm not we've done it for milk
>> some of the food service items we we we piggyback with other counties >> it may be with 88 employees. Would the law allow that was Jod's question to me. Would the law allow us to possibly join with another county and be a part of their group if they got a good rate or
something like that? I don't I don't know the answer. And and when you do this, I will say um and the state does it a lot. Um when you piggyback and I'm our lawyer's probably sitting there, she's on the phone cringy when I say that word because lawyers cringe when they hear piggyback. They don't like it
for some reason. But anyway, when you when you piggyback off of a contract, >> what what one of the the good sides of that is you don't get that protest period. that meeting and I know we've sat here and we've been really really
fortunate in Liberty County. We've not got any protests as far as I've not. So, but you not that's not when the vendor says yes, I'll agree to those terms and conditions. I'll give you those rates for that product or that service, you're done. You sign the contract. It's over.
Um but again, it has it's supposed to be same scope, same size. So, let's look. Let's see. No, like I said, I I mean, if we can get a better rate than we're getting right now, and if C even if CHP would play nice in the sandbox, you
know, >> I'll catch some fish. >> Just I commit these things to prayer. Lord, soften hearts. I got a meeting, you know, when I have these meetings with these people. Lord, soften their heart. Hope let let them see our thought. When I go to these committee meetings, you know, before the meeting
started, I went to Don Gates, former Senate President. I sent y'all a picture on a minute. I think Hey, you remember me? Yeah. And I fed y'all last year, you know, a couple years ago. Y'all remember that? Oh, yeah. Every one of them remembered that, you know, fed y'all barbecue. It was funny because I told
them, I said, I fed y'all barbecue two years ago. Y'all remember that? Oh, yeah. We remember that. Made a connection. Now, they started have Bob Har said they had not made these arguments. I had people saying, "We got to help these small counties." It didn't pass. I mean what I'm saying pass against us but at least we start some
conversation with that. Daryl got up there and says I can't give you barbecue but I'll feed cat and then Thomas register says well I'll take you to wallsaw and feed. Nobody wanted any you question. So my thoughts on all this and and there are a lot and I know I always
say a lot but this is kind of how I'm analyzing this or see this. My opinion is I would go full horse ahead and pay the participation fee and get our data but I absolutely respect what you're
saying that we don't have the time and staff that passed to hit this deadline. I'm 100% on board with it not being right now. But here's my thought behind this. I don't think we can even go to Tallahassee Ford and get a price for a truck and say, "Oh, F-150s like this
cost this." You can't. I get a Riverban. I'm going to get a different price. I mean, that's just the business model. I can't expect Capital Health Plan to give me all their proprietary confidential information if the government's not telling them you have to do this. They're not going to, right? because
that's their business model and it protects them. So if I'm looking at this information, this 145% of the stop loss coverage escalated from 24 to 25 then removal of 7.4%. Clearly if we're at a million dollars and you're 45% over, you didn't spend
$450,000 more dollars, right? There wasn't a spin of that much more than they collected and then they only charged the 70,000 more. They can't do that. They go under. And while they may very well be very kind and respectful to us because they realize their situation,
business still is business. They're making it >> 100%. So I think there's some reflection here on what was and we don't get a full picture of what was build and what was paid. We don't get a full picture of what pharmaceutical benefit savings were
and the rebates they got. They're going to be in it to make dollars. They might have high admin fees. They might have low admin fees. I don't know. But looking at this would lead me to believe that they are making money and that's okay. Businesses are going to make money. That's fine, right? And I
understand them not giving us a complete picture of information. I get it, right? But at the same time, I don't think that we should stop moving full steam ahead because we're going to lose momentum. And if they can get us data back for us,
like it's good to have other people's information and data because there may be correlations in that data, but it's not our data. And for us to have our data, we can take that and we can say, "Hey, this is this is boous. We can't use this. This is not this isn't affordable. It's like Cal Homes. It's
more expensive." Or we can say, "Hey, you know what? Our data is giving us a borrowing chip for 26 to say, "Hey, CXP, we're being offered through fleet, a 10% reduction. You're saying you're a 20% increase or a 10% increase. We CXP, we
really don't want to transfer change right now because we're not ready." But you might force us into doing something because we don't know. They might be a 10 or 20%. We have no idea. There's a lot There's a lot in the economy right now. There's a lot going on. I think we're going to lose our bargaining power
if we don't get data for us. And I think that we would lose that benefit at renewal with CHP. So my personal opinion, I think fleet is absolutely the way of the future for insurance. And I think if you have these 44,000 strong
right now and it turns into 70,000 by the time we are able to go then then what we can see is if we get data for 26 we can see okay fleet now that we went from 44 to 70 what could that
correlation look like for us in renewal? Did we save some like as far as what the quote was the hard quote for this renewal complete? that we save from fleet 26 to fleet 27, right? Because of that volume and it gives us an idea of
what we can anticipate in the future a little better because we already have numbers. >> Well, there's no I don't need to interrupt you, but right now look at those counties and this is what concerns me. There is no county the size of ours
in this list. None. the top five counties, Franklin, Liberty, Lafayette, what I say. >> Blades. We're not They're not even on here. So, what I feel like and >> Gilers. Yeah. What I what I feel like
and I and I I do personally I feel like we're we're like, "Oh, do we do that or do we do over here or we Oh, don't do that." You know, and don't lose CHP because we don't we there's this is the unknown. It's a little tricky to me. So,
but right now there's not even a county on this list, the district on this list, even our size. We So, when in a year we go on, let's just say we sign, we paid the $10,000. It just
>> to get what numbers >> the numbers cost the numbers for us. So, here's here's the benefit. So like purchase agreements for the state of Florida, they negotiate contract prices for
vehicles, right? While we might be a very very rural 200 employee count, right, district, we're going to get the same pricing that's negotiated with the state of Florida, right? We want to go buy something because we're under that group. It's the same benefit if we're
44,000 strong. We're a part of that number. We're going to do our individual though, >> but we're still protected with >> the large districts are all together, >> right? So, talking about complete that all the districts are grouped together, >> right? But we we're part of that pool to
saving administration fees and pharmaceutical benefit management. We get I'm assuming we're going to get discounts on pharmaceuticals back. So, we're gonna we're still going to be realizing savings because we're a part of this team. you get to the table.
I mean, you might have that 10% they were talking about pharmaceuticals 1.3 million, but in the end of the game, we're still going to have we're not going to say 200 employees. >> Well, we've got 101 here
that are on the plan. That's all we're going to add. It's actually entitled people that are on the plane that be paid for 25. So, We're not going to get the same rate as >> No, Swany. We're not >> Swany or or one of those. They're going
to still We're going to get them to the table. Hey, we're going to add in here. Now, we do have a lot more buying power because there's 44,000 here which may grow to 90,000. You get both worlds. You're getting what you're saying where you have a little more buying power, but we're not going
to be getting where they they >> No, >> because they don't even pay the same. Nobody pays what we pay. to our portion of the board. Nobody Everybody else has done. >> So, but it can still be cheaper. I understand what you're saying. You're
saying we're going to have we are going to have bonfire getting more to the big four in there and everything. >> But stop the stop be we're going to have the stop loss savings because we're part of a 44,000.
>> I agree with you because of the 44,000 group. We're not gonna be from everything I understood right >> is we're not there we're not going to be looked at like oh you're 88 we're going to be looked at like you're a part of fleet they're looking at fleet as a
whole right >> this is what I want to know >> in those >> how many of these districts are live >> they're working towards it but they're not and and take you >> yeah Good for you.
>> I don't I I am not going to be disrespect over 44,000 school district employees. >> I guess in all these they added up and got 44,000 school district employees >> that are now participating in
>> just do we know? >> Well, that's what he said >> because he says >> that's that's that's what he said. >> Okay. That would have to be in those three counties. >> 20 fleets February one February that's last
month their go live day May one. Okay. And it's talking about drinking from a fire hose that okay what I'm saying and I think what it's
very new. It's very that we gonna get we I could see us going off. I really do. I think it's buying power is a wonderful thing, >> right? >> But I don't even know what we're going I still ain't clear on what we're going to find out. >> You're not going to get
>> by giving them just $10,000. >> I think what what you're seeing is you're going to see you're giving them $10,000. They pay that onetime fee. Okay, now we got all four of them to the table. We're gonna bid all that's out there. This is what it looks like. At
the end of the day, that's what I was saying the other day. They have no idea what they're gonna pay. We have no idea we're gonna pay. So, I can't tell you something. I don't have the end. If you pay that, it's going to be probably four to six months of insurance is coming in. They're going to say, "Okay,
this is the bottom deal." And then we going to say, "Well, you know what? They they this is too much. We're going to negotiate a little bit. Do a little bit for you here. take that off of your people because that's what the 10,000 part of it is. >> All right. Two weeks later here we got a reduction. Now this is what you're going
to call you know what would be our contribution all that then we say Stacy they give people this right here that's got to be done through union and party >> what you going to give that 10 grand is
the most important piece. How much is it going to cost? >> Correct. Why can't we just go back out for bid again? >> We go out for bid on our own. >> That's a great question. You can do another >> We don't have power. >> No, I'm saying you can do an ITV.
We do. >> Did I say it right? >> It's interesting to see do your own versus >> you could reject them all. Absolutely. That That's a great That's a great point. >> Yes, you could absolutely advertise and
say come here you hear you >> do our own stuff and and and and >> you absolutely >> see there we want to see your give us your break >> I still 100% go forward fleet and
acquiring that information if we want to do like an invitation or see like a quote right from other insurance carriers like United Healthcare ET independently as fully insured >> okay so hold on hold that off cuz I forget they didn't bid this last time.
Just because you invite them don't mean they will and I'll tell you why they don't because you're small group >> and you don't have the >> now just compare not not to ruffle anybody feathers and I think this will when you have an agent of record that
person that went out there and listen said all right so because that agent of record has a book of business he has that that group so he may be representing 10,000 employees somewhere and he would say uh Mr. pay with with I need you to bid on line 88 here for
county agent >> they're a broker >> they're basically a broker but they don't make any money we're not paying any money off of the >> they're gonna make $10,000 off 225
for administrate if I understood right pharmaceutical benefits right and savings stop-loss insurance bringing the carrier to the table they're bringing in all the parties together collectively saying look at what we have so it's kind of
like Ford go back to Ford again if Ford if we went and said Ford I want to buy one F-150 all right here's your quote by hole my bad I want to buy 150 F-150s from you they're going to look at that very very differently right so it's like I I need to insure 88 people versus I
need to insure 44,000. They're going to say, "Hold on now. This is very different, right? We're ready to negotiate differently with that number of people." So, the worry that I have is if we or anyone else in those districts
want to back off because they're kind of worried you lose that power of that that what bargain that bargaining potential, right? You lose that bargaining potential. So, I'm not I'm not necessarily saying I'm not saying at all
go forward to 26 because I absolutely respect what you're saying. We don't have the capacity right now 26, but who knows? We might be shocked at the finding or discovery we have from fleet compared to CXP when it comes. Maybe not,
>> but we might be shocked. And at least we have information if it happened, right? We're not going to necessarily pursue it by 26. We're going to pursue it by 27. If everything fell in place right and it's a everything looks right, smells right, tastes right, is right, maybe
it's something that happens. If it's not, I'm fine with it. I'm not saying push it, but I still think we need to know to be prepared to to know what to anticipate. My my big question, and I don't want to quote this wrong, and this is something to think about, Calhoun
County, how much did they have in their their cash? 3 million $3 million is what Calone County has. So yeah, they might be a little different on these rates, but they could change that rate and flip
it upside down and have the same percent savings and do it for 10 years with the cash that they have in their account. >> They have to be prepared for a bad >> and they and they did have I think they did have five and six.
>> But here's here's a bad year. you still can fund, if I understood, >> you don't have a bad year. >> You can fund it as a worst case scenario that year. So even if you have that bad year, you're funding it worst case scenario that bad year, you're not a loss that bad that year, the next year
you would see that increase. So if we had to, the cost would increase on the district and the employee or we would say we're going to try to absorb this for that that amount of dollars that we have extra in that account. So you're not going to be affected right there at
that time. The effect is going to come in the future at which time you can account for that in the future. >> That's that's my understanding. >> Can we can we wrap this up? Because I think look here it's 8 o'clock and I'm gonna tell you something. Here's where I
think we at and y'all tell me if I'm wrong. Let's bullet it. >> Quick question. I think the only thing you're talking about the difference now is if you're going to pay participation for 10 grand for I don't know if y'all can tell me this
or not. >> Huh? I said I just have a down bottom line question. Where's the 10,000 come from? Because y'all's budget every time I hear y'all are strapped. You're over budget. We we're over spent. Where's the $10,000?
>> It was the overpayment we have. Huh? >> One one pot of money. So, >> I'm just curious and that's a question that has been >> asked um 10,000 I have 200 employees.
>> That's different. >> 10,000. >> Okay. Yes. For for we have 10,000 but it's not recurring dollars. It is sitting in a pot. It can't it's not going to recur every year. So, yes, there is $10,000. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, let let's nail this down. Okay. Number one, do we want to go forward? Can we vote? We can't vote on my workshop. >> We got to decide whether we're going forward with a participation agreement.
I think it sounds to me pretty I'm wrong. Y'all tell me. Uh that we can't start in October 2026. bingo or not bingo. >> I don't think we can start. >> I will not I will not ask y'all.
>> But the other thing for you if we do get up at 10,000 the information you get probably from them is going to be for this year and not next year. >> Right. >> So you follow if you get the information >> we can set we could set our dates
though. Okay. When we want to start, can't we? >> Yes. Yes. I'm say if we started December 27th. Okay. Just remember do the participation get the information that we get in six months. >> I think you can pay I think you can pay the $10,000 next year and still get the same information.
>> It ain't going that much money. >> I want to say if you do it right now getting information early on that money. >> No. >> Okay. Okay. So let me go back. >> Participation agreement. >> Correct. That's what I'm saying. >> Go ahead and get our renewal right this
first. Square and I went to Jacksonville today. Okay. So, number one, participation agreement. Do we want to sign it? Yes. Number two, start date. If we did sign
it, I I think I'm hearing unanimously it would be next year. >> I'm good to start next year, but I'd like the data to know this year. I need as a borrowing chip CP. Do you think >> I don't I don't think any >> this year as you would next year.
>> So you want the bid you want a bid done to quoted us to data for 26 knowing that we're at 98% going 27 then let's get that takes that long >> then we would have to get that again. I
would like to say this is you know that we're going to ask sleep to to approach to go through their process and give us hard numbers of what it would look like.
>> They said it the other night that's a bid. They're going to bid county. They're going to bid for those that are in. >> What is their What is the view of a bid? Like what does that look like? >> They're going to give you the call. >> So So she made the point they become a quasi broker. So they're going to say,
"Okay, I got X amount." Whether it be 44,000, I think it's probably less, but I got 44,000. I need a quote from y'all four carriers at the United Healthcare, >> right? >> So they do an
>> They actually do. >> It's an IT. they negotiate >> here are not going to say we need to bid this and receive it here. They're handling all that administrative function on their end. >> So if they're willing to do that and companies are willing to quote knowing
that we want to move in that direction but we need to see now what it looks like if they're willing to give that to >> they're not going to do no mason when you do an ITN when you do an ITN you're going to come in here and you're going to have a start date. Okay, let's just
say it's going to be January 27. It's just like bidding a a boat. Okay, I won't quote or let me get you a car. You bid a car. They're going to hold that mostly. They're going to hold that price for about 30 days. >> October 26. So, Tom, I literally just
went through this exact scenario. >> Yeah. >> Literally, they give you a they give you a quote, right? your numbers for renewal 10126. So, I think we should be forthcoming to tell them we're probably not going to
renew, but we're asking in good faith for you to give us this data so we can make a good preparation so when you give us numbers October 27th, we would be ready to act on those numbers because we we don't if we don't have any data from
them, then we have no idea how to act. what >> I think if we were the only ones involved that might be more plausible but I think because it involves other people and them trying to wrap up a specific number of how many is going to be actually if whoever whoever wins that's how many we're buying
>> well but there's no guarantee that we're going to use it so it's still just a quote I didn't understand now I'll be glad to ask I don't think we just >> put our name in the hat and see if they'll give us a quote >> per se as part of this group that you're
quoting for now and then be able to pull out. >> Yeah, but we need to ask that. >> Absolutely. >> I don't want to commit us to have to do anything. >> Why else then we we don't know if this is a
participation agreement. Correct. >> It is called participation. >> Why else would we participation agreement? It is not a contract, >> right? why would we pay the $10,000
now? And I specifically asked him, can we go ahead and pay the $10,000 and not go online until 27, still get our numbers? >> So why why would we pay $10,000 now if
we can't get numbers now? I mean, why wouldn't we? >> That's what I'm saying. >> We might need to ask them, >> Miss. >> Okay. Okay. Here's my thing. Let me go back to a timeline because you got a CHP
renewal. We're gonna know in July of 2026 what our increase is going to be. >> Okay. If we could have a timeline, somebody could draw us out a timeline and say, "All right, you got a CH because we're going even when I talked
to this lady, she said, "Y'all need to keep doing what you're doing right now." And then start that process because what's going to happen when we sign this participation agreement, there's a lot of things that's got to be done. They've
got to get some data. They got to get which I don't even know if CXP is going to provide the data. They might not. They may cancel our contract. I don't know. But we got to get that data. All this information has got to be pulled over into their system. And she said it
it's it's pretty sweat and tears there what she said. So all that's got to be done. Then we've got to bid it out. What's If we've got some preliminary information be great, but they've got to do a bid. They said it, you know,
because I remember I said, "Wait a minute. What about protest? What about Okay, so that's got to be done. >> Then we've got a 90day." So what I'm saying is this. If we sign the if we sign the participation agreement, I think I'm
looking for a timeline to say this gota be done, this gota be done, this gota be done, and then we can go live in October 2027. Work up to that date and then >> so so I I 15% agree. I need more runway.
>> I need Let me let me tell you some of the other things we did this week. Uh we we got all the doctors that people are seeing in our group with CHP where they were able to provide that. We got that TED to see that we'll cover all them doctors. We'll you know healthcare all that kind of stuff because it's the
numbers >> and and our staff goes wait a minute time out >> I'll pay more. >> I mean I I think those are part of the things that we need to know. Um and I just need more. Look, again, if you go back to my my time frame from last year,
I'm starting in July of 25 to try to have October 26 if we were to do it. That was that was that was how much runway that's 12 >> 15 months. So, here's what I'm saying. Have have somebody sit down start a
timeline from October 2027. Don't don't look for that. push it from put the October 2027 date here and then back up and then then that's going to tell you I want to make it by 207. Yeah, that's what I'm asking for. I need that
one and I we'd be glad to get that but I think I two things I need more information. >> Yes. >> And and and let's >> we got to be very diligent. This this is huge. I I like the fleet idea. I love it. I do think it's going to be a good
possibility for us because of the the higher premiums that keep going up up if there's a way for us to >> you're still going to get increases though. >> You're still going to have increase. >> Well, insurance is going to be what insurance costs, >> right?
>> But but what we and again that's a great point. We don't know what is going on. They could come in and and and all of a sudden it's higher paying now. You know, we don't know. >> You could get yearly increases like we're doing right now too for even when we inflate.
>> Insurance goes up. It goes up. It don't matter. Look how they go up. >> It ain't going down. >> It ain't going down. >> What I'm trying to do is stop some bleeding. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> but I need you to tell us >> if I tell her this this year insurance went up 1%.
That's much easier to swallow than 14% 12% >> because at a 1% increase man but it's going to go up. >> I think the idea the whole selfinsured is the concerning part because it's like
what does that mean? You know it's >> I mean this up that's a big word to say everybody >> but the fleet is a little bit different than pace where it may only be three districts where if everybody gets in fleet it may be 13 districts
>> they're they're growing it due to buying power a lot more and there's more protection >> is what I call them consortium is the word >> it is they call it insurance but it's consortium and they do work.
>> When I was with when I was with DO, we had huge consortium. >> They work. There's a buying power. I'm telling you, it works. >> Well, the teachers aren't against it by any means as long as they know they are protected >> and you know they're getting the best possible choice.
>> Yeah. And and their providers >> providers that's huge. >> The survey is very clear. We like our doctors the CHP. So again, that that's another question I don't have an answer to. If he was to tell me if if if Ted was to say, "Look, I run I vetted these
here's your CHP doctors because he got the ones that we're using. So here's the ones that that county schools are using and only a third of them can be used with ETNA. That's a problem. >> And we're little I said this in the little different of a animal
>> and I'll tell you this because you go to Swany now I don't know about Swany River split and whatever but that Appalachic River spit splits a lot. Not just >> you go to Panama City for these doctors and they take Blue Cross Blue Shield. Don't take CHB.
Tallahassee is the same way touching Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I found Blue. I I swapped. I told y'all CH I went from the wonderful CHP with the state to the Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which I'm very thankful to have with
with Andy, you know, who he works with. But it's a big difference. >> All your doctors. >> Yeah. It changed my doctors. I which I don't have that many specialist doctors, but yes. Yes. Thank goodness my skipper
took blue cross of blue shield because if he didn't I would have been under that would be >> well I went from the state CHP to this city you know substantial substantial 88,000 people in the state >> you know they're paying but
I can see us going to this I mean there's no doubt I see us going to us not this year but I see it's going I see it's going there Because insurance is going to be where you've already said you got people that's not taking insurance. They can't pay for I mean I'm saying I'm one of
them that paid for a long time for family coverage. I was one of those four people and it's it's tough. >> You don't really need to be worried just if you save if you can save employ.
I know I talked with one of the guys that one thing they tried to solve he he was in a district there and he he told me this in another state he said due to insurance cost and things going up the last eight years that he was there he
said we didn't give our teachers a raise you know 9,000 teachers in in their district we didn't give teachers raise everything that went into it went to insurance >> we tried to keep 85%
hold on their insurance that's a lot this whole mission and so uh but I don't want to give that point I want to be able to have some options you know there have two I don't know that you
could have over here too I don't know >> if you piggy back off somebody how we >> I don't think it's clean we'll get it done this If Katie would have a minimal amount of time to pull reports from CHP and send
it to fleet and have them run some some numbers, right? There there's a lot to figure out numbers, >> huh? >> What kind numbers? You know this kind of cost
where would the cost be for employee family child so >> oh I'm sorry >> so so so where what would the price point be what are we looking at on price because you're not it then it gets more
difficult when you're like okay where's your network do we want to go with Florida do we want to go with n healthcare do we want to go with do we want I have top reference from research I've done who I think we should only consider going with and not the others we we don't know exactly what carrier
network it's going to be offered right so there if we can get a highle view now to stew on then it takes a lot of time saying okay we need to adjust the plan design or or the disruption report and making sure
people are covered and and who has best coverage not healthcare for blue changing from speed that takes a lot of time and I will 100% say we need to prolong even considering that but if it could be two hours us pull data seen this document say here's your 10,000
please run us some numbers and tell us just what would it look like for us on a 10 26 or no just tell us what it look like because if it's off then we don't even need to entertain it going forward we don't need to fill all these other reports we don't need to look at all
this data just give us a rough number I have no desire to be a 10 10126 room. No, because I don't think anybody's got the capacity, but I think it will be an injustice for us in preparation for the future not getting what we can right
now. That's just >> So, here's where I think and and I know we're trying to wrap this up. Sorry, Mr. Chair. Where I think you can avoid paying the 10 up front, find out what what the savings were for some other districts, what they had and what that mean. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's different. It's river if you got 10 districts. >> If you got 10 districts to sign up, >> all of ours went up. This was all >> and I just saved myself $10,000. >> That's the very worst what you're going to get. That's the very worst thing that
could happen. I'm just saying if you go >> if you go to those counties and they say this was the this was the worst thing we ever did. We're not going to do this anymore. We'll pull them out. Blah blah blah. Whatever. If they say that from their experience, then I don't need to
pay 10 to know that is what I'm saying. You could delay that 10. Yeah. To start getting some data and then you start saying, well, how how good did y'all do? I mean, it'd be just like any of us, you know, we're all talking about roofs and Renee and Doobie and Boo says, "Well, I got Jerkens to do my roof and they saved
me a lot of money." Y'all say, "Well, we got the same roof they got, but so and so did this." The make up a name, whoever done that, it cost more and and lined up thinking it's the same thing, but I'm going to go with who they said.
I'm just saying I think there's a way to figure out the legitimacy of this really well. >> I've been on a limb that my virus >> Okay, so let's do this. How about y'all do like you always do individually talk
to me. Let's let's go from there. Share me your heart. Send me an email. That's all good. Um uh we'll just go from there. >> I'd like to see your runway. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. If you could just back it up for a moment just and it and and you might have to do two or you
might say 10 20 seconds way if if we let's just say if we have started this process and done there was a lot of variables that would have to all these other questions you had to answer and everybody feel good about everybody feel good about would have been 16 months
>> from start within 16 months we're there now I mean what I'm saying is if we start this now >> for October 27, you know, you back it up, you're you're right around that 15 16 month mark now. >> So that means sign the participation agreement now.
>> No, not necessarily. >> I'm saying I'm if I have if you have if you're making me do a knee-jerk response to that, I'd say hold off on. Let's let's see what these others do. >> Start getting interest on it.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. assistant dog. Don't make >> it. Next.