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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: ZG2iegUAF-Y):
- 00:18:53: Meeting Opening and Agenda Approval
- 00:19:45: Epic Environmental Presents Indoor Air Quality Findings
- 00:26:58: Questions and Answers Regarding Air Quality Report
- 00:40:26: Public Comment 1 - Budget Concerns
- 00:46:08: Public Comment 2 - Value of Paraprofessionals
- 00:51:05: Public Comment 3 - Mismanagement and Accountability
- 00:53:27: Board Work Session - Discussion of April 28th Agenda
- 01:16:46: Board Discussion - Non-Personnel Items and School Calendar
- 01:18:48: Board Discussion - Policy 0155.1 Electronic Participation
- 01:37:28: Action Item Discussion: School Business Administration and Finance
- 01:54:22: Public Comment 1 - Board Priorities and Paraprofessionals
- 02:02:09: Public Comment 2 - Tone of Meeting and Bus Concerns
- 02:04:41: Public Comment 3 - Standing Water and School Repairs
- 02:08:44: Public Comment 4 - Board Member Attendance and Budget Details
- 02:12:27: Public Comment 5 - Budgeting for Inflation and Rising Costs
- 02:18:06: Board Forum - Responses to Public Comments


Part: 1

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All right. 7:25. We are back from executive session. >> Can I please have an approval of tonight's agenda? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Any questions? May I have a roll call, please?

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>> All in favor? I. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. Number seven, presentations. Epic Environmental Indoor Air Quality at Frog Pond Elementary. Yep. >> Come on over here. Present.

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Good evening. Uh just wanted to summarize. We've uh were asked to come in and do some inspections uh air quality inspections based on staff concerns or were some roof leaks that were primarily the

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result of the storms that we had. Uh there was a lot of snow buildup, ice buildup, and then when it began to melt off, uh there were several roof leaks around the school. Um essentially, when we do an inspection for mold, uh air

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quality, things like that, there are a number of things we look at. Um you have a hand out, but I'm just going to go off the top of my head. It's easier for me. Um that way I'm not looking down all the time. Um so there's several things that are required for mold to grow.

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uh you need to have mold spores present. You need to have moisture, enough moisture for mold to become active. And there are several sources for that amount of water for that amount of moisture to be present. Uh one can be water intrusion where you have a leak,

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plumbing leak, um you know, something like that that causes a supply of water to an area. Uh you can actually have mold triggered by high humidity which we see actually quite a bit in school buildings, humidity related mold. As a

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matter of fact, we've actually recommended the closure of a few schools over the years because of the heating and cooling system and things like that. Uh the third are floods. You know, basically you have a flood and then you have a large amount of water that's

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introduced. So in this case we had water intrusion. So it takes approximately 38 hours for certain types of molds to become active. So one of the things that we look for uh we do take relative humidity measurements. We take

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temperature measurements. Uh now as far as the state regulations um there are state regulations in regards to temperature in classrooms 69 to 79. There are no regulations nor guidelines for things like humidity. Uh for

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humidity, we always recommend that you keep it less than 60%. Now, in a school, humidity is a challenge because you're bringing in fresh air. So during the summer, it can be a challenge to bring in fresh air, which is laden with moisture uh in addition to cooling it.

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Now, that was not the issue here uh because we had water intrusion. Um so we look at those things. Uh then we also look for visual mold. We look for evidence of water intrusion. So we did see it in several areas. uh we were asked to look at several areas on a

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couple different occasions. Um pretty much they said these are the areas that were most affected. So we tried to target the areas that were most affected. We didn't look in every single room. More often than not when you're doing an inspection like this um once

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you take a look at several areas that are similar to others you can make make some educated estimates on how those rooms are being affected. So the third thing uh then we look for visual mold. Uh there's several places that can be.

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Uh you can have mold on ceiling tiles if there's a constant source of moisture. But mold does not generally grow on inorganic surfaces. Mold will normally grow on wood, cellulose, things like that. So uh it

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usually it needs a food source. So there are thousands and thousands of mold spores in this room right now as we're talking. It's a naturally occurring thing. What we look for are conditions where not only is mold present, but is there enough moisture, enough water for

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it to become active if there's a food source. So very often in classrooms, we'll look under desks, under wooden tables, desks, chairs, things like that. You know, in this case, we had to look at how much moisture was there, where was coming from. So

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generally with roof leaks um like when it rains you have rain, it comes down and then it dries. So very often we see tiles or stained ceiling tiles that don't have mold on because for whatever

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reason the rain came, it dried and then it was gone. Uh then it dried and there was not enough moisture to sustain mold activity. However, the state does require or strongly recommend that whenever you have wet ceiling tiles that are visible once

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they're noticed, they're supposed to be changed out. So, we always make recommendations in our reports, and we did see quite a number of wet ceiling tiles throughout the school came through that those be changed. So, it's not an intent to hide anything. It's what

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you're supposed to do. So, when you see a wet ceiling tile, you remove it. The last thing we do is we collect air samples. Air samples are a snapshot. So you collect an air sample for 5 minutes, you know, depending on the the

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type of test that you're taking, but it's usually 5 to 10 minutes. And then you compare the indoor concentrations to the outdoor concentrations to see if there is a significant difference. Now the state does not even mention air sound in their regulations. The reason

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they do not is that it is almost impossible to establish what a quote safe level is. During the summer, we can see mold counts even indoors in the tens of thousands depending on, you know, what's going on that day, how much

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moisture is in the air, what is, you know, active at that particular time. So, what we do is we have to make an interpretation. So air samples are there as part of the tools that we use. Um honestly when we do an inspection we

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concentrate more on the conditions. You know is there a water source? Is there a uh is there a intrusion humidity things like that and visual inspections. The air samples will help us indicate or get an idea you know how active the mold is.

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During the winter time it's usually much lower than it is during the summer time. So when we came in, we did an inspection. Um we did find some visual mold in a couple areas. However, those areas were already known to have some

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humidity issues. So the mold that we found in those areas was actually on book cases and things like that. And the school was uh the district was instructed to clean the clean that run an air scrubber to clean up any residual

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bowl that's in the air and then they put everything back. Um generally speaking, as long as you can get those ceiling piles and with the water intrusion, you can get them ahead of time, you're not going to have a high level of mold in

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the air. So that's kind of a just a general summary of what we did. Um, I'm not sure if you had access to the reports. We gave you a handout that kind of gave a summary of what we did. Um, just, you know, do you have any questions? Anything you'd like to see in

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addition to what we've done? >> Yes. >> Uh, in regards to the compatibility of the the mold in and out of the classroom, would that have something to do with opening windows? Would that equalize, you know, mold coming in from

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outside? Most most modern systems uh most modern HVAC systems are designed to run with the windows closed. When you open windows, you're actually hurting everything that the system's designed to do because the the system

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when it brings in fresh air is designed to filter it. So if you open the windows, you actually are allowing, you know, uncontrolled air to enter the space. >> Okay. So when you say that the levels were on par or less than the outdoors, you just mean with the air conditioning running.

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>> Yes. >> At testing. >> Yes. Yes. Because we do want to see a difference between inside and outside. If you have the windows open, essentially you're looking at outside versus outside because you have so much exchange because if the if the mold counts are higher inside than they are

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outside and significantly so, I mean, they can be slightly higher and again it's a snapshot. I've already collected samples 5 minutes apart. The results are very different uh based on wind currents and things like that. Um but if you take

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an inside sample and the mold sport count is 200 outside and the inside is 10,000, guess what? We can't explain that away as it oh well it's close. No, it's not at all. >> Um so normally we have a cut off of 800

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to a,000. And if it's above a th00and higher than outside, we say slightly elevated. In the absence of visible mold, it could be something residual from the day before. Um, but if there, you know, I'm more likely to tell people

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that they have an issue even without the air samples if they have evidence of water than evidence of mold, visible mold in the classroom. >> I have one more question. Yeah. just with the reports and they all came back fairly low with your evaluation. Um,

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airborne molds for concentrations, let me get this right, asparagilus penicyium was slightly elevated and you attributed that to um plants in the room. Is that right? >> Potentially. potentially life plants in classrooms.

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Uh we generally recommend that you don't have live plants in classrooms unless they have an educational purpose only because especially you know allergies seem to be more common nowadays than ever. Um just the plant activity itself

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within the soil within the plant plant can pollinate release uh pollen into the air. So people that are sensitive, especially allergies, you know, could have issues with that. So we would be trying to recommend that you have as clean

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as possible. >> Yeah. That you recommended um because it grows in decaying matter. So you said not plants that aren't used for educational purposes. >> Yeah, we made that recommendation. >> Okay. And one recommendation to clean the wood cabinet.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Another recommendation we make and I know it's a little off this one is carpet in classrooms. Um we are >> we have removed some. >> Yeah. We we we are not a fan of carpets in classrooms because they they hold you

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know just imagine the carpets in your car after 6 months. You could vacuum beat that thing for 10 minutes against the tree and it's still going to have you know particulates in it. So the old carpets just get dirtier and dirtier as

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you go uh and harder to clean. So sometimes they actually contribute to higher indoor concentrations just by traffic going through a room. Um tile floors, some schools are going to luxury vinyl tile now. It's much easier to clean.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> I just have one question. >> Yeah. So, could the fact that um when we go on break and I'm assuming that we turn down all systems um and then turn them back on, could that contribute to anything mold related? So, let's say go on break.

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>> So, let's say for spring break, what do we turn the thermostats to? >> We go into a vacation mode as far as heat. So, we drop everything down to 55 >> over the heating season. >> Um during the heating season, that's that's fine. Um outdoor

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outdoor air in the winter time has very low humidity. Um think of it as like a sponge. So outdoor air during the winter time might be 10 or 15% 20% especially if it's a northern arctic air coming through. So if you're heating it up, you're actually it's going to be less

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humid. What I al what I do recommend during the summer times. a lot of issues with mold in the summertime because these systems are designed to have people in them. So you're, you know, you're bringing in fresh air and we see

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it all the time where you're bring, you know, just imagine, picture this, you have 90° outside, 95% humidity. So you're you're almost at the due point and then you bring that fresh air into a school and you lower it. Did you lower

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the temperature down to 74? Uh we we've actually seen schools where they have, you know, buildings where they have the walls are wet and the desks wet and things like that. So during the summer any of the situations and conditions

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that you found. What what I recommend is that anytime um there's a rain event or something that's causing rain, water intrusion to come into the building. Now, first of all, those are going to be addressed.

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but they can't be addressed immediately because they're on the roof and they have to be found and they have to be fixed. In the meantime, the best that you could do is when there is an event, as soon as you see stained ceiling tiles, water, you know,

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coming from somewhere that be cleaned immediately. So, the faster that you can address that um the less chance you are of any microbial activity to to get started. that that's the main focus. But

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>> but to be clear though um for clarity uh what you have found um is mold but it's mold that is appropriately found in an indoor setting. >> I would say common. >> Okay.

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>> I mean I could go into any room in this building. I could go into any room in in another school. Um it is rare. It is very rare to collect an air sample for mold and have nothing. It It doesn't happen very often. We see

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it sometimes in the winter time when the humidity is very low and that there's just no microbial activity going on at all. During the summer months when, you know, things are, you know, things are going crazy biologically outside,

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then then we'll see it. Then we'll see it a lot more. But there is mold in the air everywhere. everyone's home, everyone's business, everyone's car. What we look for is, you know, mold lands on top of this table.

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Okay, we know there's mold in here. It's going to land on surfaces. Does it have an opportunity to become active? That that's what that's really what we're looking for. Now, you could set a petri dish out there and the mold can lay on that petri dish and now

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you've given it a Thanksgiving dinner and say, "Hey, let's grow." And it's going to become active because you've given it optimal conditions or can land on the tabletop and it'll be there. So, what we're looking for are the conditions where uh

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it can become active or we see that it is active. 10%. >> Um, and isn't it correct that um, >> school institutions are held at a higher

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accountability for mold and toxins and things like that for their air quality than businesses or homes? Is that correct? like the parts per million, parts per billion, that the threshold is lower in a school setting than in a public business setting or a home

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setting when they look at those values. >> Do you mean from a regulatory standpoint? >> Yes. >> No, not really. I thought that it was like >> the values were different. >> No, it it a public entity any public entity uh is under the same regulation

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as the school is. So, uh, you can have, uh, an office. Uh, we've done inspections in in municipal buildings, for example. Um, and it's not a school, but it's a public building. So, they have the same requirements, >> but they're higher than the public.

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They're than the private sector is what I'm trying to say. >> Yeah. I mean, we apply the same standards everywhere we go. Um, so if if it's elevated, it doesn't matter if it's in someone's home or if it's in a school, we're going to make the same recommendations.

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Um, is it but in in schools because there are children um there there's probably more I'd say um I don't want to say less tolerance, but people are more aware and they keep a closer eye on everything. um

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because you don't want your kids to become sick and because you're sending your children uh to a space that you're not in. There's always going to be a natural uh tendency to, you know, have concern there. >> One more question just cuz I'm annoying.

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Um so do we have air purifiers in the rooms in classrooms? >> We did notice them. Yeah. The state provided them a number of years ago during co so they they run in there. Yeah, but most air handling systems are

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designed to uh remove particulates down to pretty pretty close. I mean, mold spores are different sizes, but um the air handling system should remove most particulates when we go through the filtration. >> Thank you. If anyone has a question,

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would you mind answering that in the back if they had any in particular questions because we're not supposed to interact with the public, but I know there's a lot of specific questions. >> Okay. >> Or you can stick around for public comment because um they're welcome to ask that as well.

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>> Well, I got a long drive, but if someone has a question or two in the back, I'd be happy to answer as long as it's respectful. >> We greatly appreciate that. >> Thank you for your time. >> All right. Thank you very much. On the public comment, the board of education

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now welcomes the public to comment on the items which are on our agenda tonight. It may not always be possible or appropriate for the board to directly answer questions during public comment period. Each speaker is allotted a maximum of 5 minutes to make their statement. No one may speak more than

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once on the same topic. You are required to give out your name and address before speaking. Please keep your comments respectful and non-inflammatory and maintain a level of decorum appropriate for a public meeting where minors may be in the audience. Um, and

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just one thing I just want to reiterate that it's for anything on the agenda. The second public comment is for anything outside of the agenda. Uh, anything that you want to talk about regarding the district. This first public comment is specifically on agenda

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items. And you have 5 minutes. And the clock is right there. Are you able to see it, sir? Just want to make sure you can see. >> Yeah, I can see it. >> Thank you. >> Mikey, 43 Atlanta Boulevard. Well, not as exciting as mold, but it's

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going to be uh numbers, which I'm not a numbers guy, but I got the budget from Carl and I looked at it because uh looking at the budget and the concerns I have of firing 81 pair of

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professionals so that we could buy school buses concerned me. So I looked at some items and um initially just just taking the buses initially um I took averages because the wide

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ranges the the buses range from 90 to $190,000. I I just took an average. That's why I went $150,000. Figure you're going to need probably at least 30 buses. So

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that's going to be $4.5 million for buses. In shorts in New Jersey, if you're lucky, it's $4,500 a bus. So 30 buses at $4,500 is going to be $135,000

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a year. Fuel, the estimate is about between5 and $8,000. So you're talking about $240,000 a year. maintenance the estimate was $8,000. So 30 times eight is another $240,000 a year. Now I know

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you're not looking to buy all the buses at once, but looking at that number is $6.9 million for those buses. But let's just say that our fabulous new governor

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decided she would give you the 30 buses. 2018 the average cost of busing a student was $1,152 per student. The number you gave me was $1,560

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students. That comes to $1,797,120. Now, if you have the insurance of $135,000 plus the fuel of $240,000 and the maintenance of $240,000, that's $2,412,120. You budgeted for this year, $2,265,000.

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Already, we're over what you budgeted for this year from your program. We didn't add the drivers yet. Now, I know your plan is part-time drivers, so 29 hours a driver.

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Figure that's 754 hours a year. $25 an hour, which is what Dorham's paying. That's $18,850 a year for the driver. Figure you're going to need probably 45 drivers. $848,250.

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You're at $3,260,370 a year. That's well over what you budgeted for the dorm. Now, the National School Transportation

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Association did a study just like this school district did when they sold the buses that they had. that the National School Transportation Association found that you save 20% on your budget by

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contracting out your bus services. So other numbers you gave me, 81 par professionals, 50 have insurance. I went high. I said they all took family insurance. So that's $3,449,000.

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the 321 full-time employees. If you had looked at alternate insurance plans, if it was a single plan, you could say 1.9 million. The family plan would be 4.9 million. You would still be able to do

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your bus program, which doesn't make sense anyway, >> and keep these people employed. So, I don't know where you're doing your numbers and why you think buses are more important than pupils or people, but I

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would like to thank the school board that the school board of Union Township for taking the superintendent and we ask that you because you are doing us no favors and wasting money. Thank you.

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>> YEAH. GOOD EVENING, >> MA'AM. >> Thank you. >> Uh, good evening. Uh, I was here at the last board meeting. My name is Hi. My name is Barbara Row. R H E A U L T. Um I

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live at 667 Pine Valley Court in Carver City. I am the Atlantic County NJA president as well as a National Education Association director for um New Jersey. I know that creating a budget is difficult. At the last board of education meeting, parents, staff,

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and community members spoke spoke clearly and passionately about the value of the little a par profofessionals. And I'm encouraged to hear that conversations have been had to work toward a plan to retain them uh in some form of full-time capacity. That

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matters. It shows that when stakeholders speak, this district is willing to listen. And let's be clear about who those stakeholders are. They are the parents who entrust you with their children every day and the staff

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who dedicate their professional lives to those children's growth and well-being. Together, they share a commitment to doing what is best for students, especially our most vulnerable learners. Students with special needs, those with IEPs, rely on consistent, skilled

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support from PAR professionals in order to access that instruction their teachers provide. Without stack support, you are not just cutting positions. You are cutting off opportunity for learning. Paraprofessionals are not optional. They are essential. They are

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the steady hands, the patient guides, the trusted adults who make inclusion real and learning possible. When talk is centered on student success, we cannot separate it from the people who make that success achievable every single day. But this conversation is about more

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than staffing. It's about your budgeting values. Schools are not businesses and children and staff are not widgets to be balanced on a spreadsheet. The success of a school cannot be measured solely in dollars saved. It is measured in

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relationships built, trust earned, and lives changed. That is why it is critical that all stakeholders have a voice in how the school operates and in crafting the budget over the next week. for your presentation on April 28th.

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Real solutions come from collaboration, from transparency, and from inviting the very people most impacted into the conversation. We understand that budgets require difficult choices. There are always multiple priorities competing for

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limited resources. But diminishing essential supports like you have started to eliminate full-time power professionals is not a cost the district can afford, not in terms of daily operations and certainly not in terms of rebuilding and maintaining

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trust within your community. If you are serious about making this school place where every child can thrive, then we must be equally serious about investing in the people that make that happen and possible. That means prioritizing human

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beings. It means recognizing that the strength of this district lies not in what is cut, but in what is chosen to protect and grow. So I urge this board, continue down the path you have started. Make people your

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priority. Open your doors wider. Invite parents and community members in not just to observe here at a meeting, but to partner with you and foster conversations that are productive. Work

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together to identify those values and priorities that make this school a cornerstone of your community. Because at the end of the day, the question is not just what kind of budget is adopted, but what kind of school, what kind of

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community, and what kind of future you are choosing to build. Thank you. Thank you very Um, dance has >> Hello. >> Hello. >> There we go. All right. Try that again. Round two. Uh, my name is Kate Sanchez.

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I live at five lane. Uh, I want to start with the simple truth that the decisions made in this district have consequences. And right now our children and our community are the ones paying for them. Uh we've been told that the current administration of board were not here when the co funds were mismanaged. Uh

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but to many of us this feels like a part of a larger pattern. People come into the district to make financial decisions uh that have lasting consequences and then move on leaving the community to deal with the damage. And we are dealing with it. We see in the aids who are

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being laid off and rehired at part-time hours dedicated to people who support our children every day. We see it in the fact that our students have to wait for something as basic and essential as a new roof. We are not abstract uh these are not abstract budget issues. These are real impacts on real children. Those

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funds were intended to strengthen our school's infrastructure to improve air quality, invest in new HVAC systems, roofs, doors, windows. They were meant to make our building safer and healthier for our children. that act in heaven. Instead, much of the money went into staffing, decisions that are now being

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reversed, leaving both employees and students in a state of uncertainty. The money in question, whether for local tax or state aid, was earned by hardworking members of this community, many, many of which are sitting here tonight. That money was entrusted to this district

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with a purpose. It was not meant to be used as they saw fit, and certainly not without consequence. But most troubling is not the mistake the mistakes that were made is that no one was held accountable. So my questions are what safeguards will we put in place to

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ensure this never happens again. What systems will protect our school from future mismanagement? And what consequences will exist for those who misuse public funds even if they lose and leave the district? We teach our children every day about accountability

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and consequences. We tell them that our actions matter and that lesson shouldn't stop the classroom. It's time for the adults in this district to be held to the same standard. >> Anyone else? All right. I see none. Uh, moving on to the board work session

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discussion of the April 28th, next week draft board agenda. You can just go through it section by section. Any questions? Anyone want I have a question on page five. Um, Carl, maybe I think I clarified this

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with you, but the 2% that was added to last year's budget and the user friendly, if I might suggest for my colleagues after the userfriendly budget is really helpful to look at on our web page to see the 5 million in taxes we

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added from last year to this year and the roughly 1.5 we're adding this year. That's the 2% that we went up plus the interest that we're paying on the bond 1.3, right? And that gets us to the 20 million. That's taxable for the

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taxpayer. >> It's 2% on the tax levy plus the debt service. >> Plus the debt service. Okay. Just wanted everybody to understand that. So it's a little bit higher. It's actually more realistically 5% with the debt service. >> Um when is the debt service or that's

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from a referendum. Is that the right >> bonds end in 2032? >> That sounds about right. >> That was for the George Mitchell reloc. >> So we make principal payments during the year and then this is our yearly

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interest. >> But we've done that every year, >> right? >> It's not something we added additional. >> It's just that we have to kind of think think, you know, the percentage is higher for the community is what I'm saying. To Laura's point, Carl, do you know the percentage that that will be

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the total tax levy inclusive of the debt service? >> 20 million the percentage 8.92. Uh the 2% plus the other million on top of it. We're probably at about 3%. You have the two together. >> Yeah, I got somewhere between five and

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six. I guess it there's a lot of confusion with how people look at the number because other districts will say we're going up 6%. But it'll be 6% plus the debt service if they have a debt service. That's kind of the thing that they don't talk about. We're now at a

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flat 2% of our tax study. So technically we're up only 2%. The debt service is something the voters voted on with the referendum I guess at this point in 18 years ago. So it's an existing factor is what you're saying >> factor that's been going on each year.

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People tend to forget what happened years ago, but the bonds are 25 year bonds. >> Yeah. Just looking at the budget more and more. I just kind of wanted to make that a revelation. >> Thank you. Okay. I does I also have a

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couple questions on page five. >> The budget or what number? >> I can start with the budget and then I can I Well, I'll start with the one and then I'll go to the budget. Um >> just what number? Sorry, not but um >> item number. Item number

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>> four page >> 13 H. >> Um the $35,000 for travel and the fact that we've used almost $25,000. Does that average for other districts? It seems

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extremely high to me. Um to attend meetings, workshops, >> it's been the it's been the number that's been used here for several years. >> Well, we brought it down from 50. I didn't think that we actually would approach that much. Um

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>> 24,000. >> Yeah. I mean, can we drop that down to 20,000 maybe and see how we do as a district? Like what does that just count for travel? These are this would this would encompass travel for faculty or

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attending meetings, conferences to Dr. Stein's point, what if we took historical over the last 5 years mileage reimbursement for people that are traveling to conferences to classes including staff members administrators

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and the entire district. I really not like how many people have traveled out of state here to encompass >> no one since I've been here. >> I mean because I've seen it each month on the bills list um nothing that seems

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to reach this this magnitude. Does it include the course and the workshops also? >> No, >> it's just the travel. >> Carl, to Dr. Scott, can you perhaps give us for the next meeting the average of the last three years in in those costs?

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>> Sure. To help with that. >> And if you'd like, I can give you a breakdown of that $24,000. >> Yes, >> that would be great. >> Because I too would like to see I agree with Dr. >> And um just um speaking with the public with

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regards to the budget, I know there was questions regarding the seven certificated staff. Uh Dr. Would you like to like elaborate as to what staff we're looking at in areas? >> I met with the administrative team and

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we are going through a process of where they believe their needs are in each of the buildings and as an district. So they are certificated staff, excuse me. It could be special ed teachers, general ed teachers, BCBAs,

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nurses, and we're going through a prioritization process. Okay. So, they were just was the blindly blanket approved and certificated, >> right? Because I just don't want to go through the process what happened last year where um we removed stipens and we almost didn't have safety.

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>> There's no removal of that this year, >> right? But I also too we have no idea like where this is in relation to because I remember last meeting I asked about the classroom sizes and I forgot and I remembered afterwards that sixth grade was our largest size this year but

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I believe we move forward it's our second grade class that's moving up. So like are we going to be trying to do things to alleviate that class size but you're not willing to provide any confirmation >> on what the building administrators and the district administrators believe to

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be the priority because >> but we can't have that answer before we approve the budget. >> Well, we know what seven certificated staff members. It could be depending upon our special ed numbers are where we're putting those people. >> But we won't have it before next week.

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I wouldn't say we would have a solid at that point. We still have registrations coming in. >> Any other questions? If I could just add to that, Dr. Snider, the budget contains the allocation for seven certificated staff members.

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The board still has to vote for the approval of each staff member. So what you're voting on in the budget is just the allocation of the money where it's going as far as positions go. When Dr. Intunis proposes to the board

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and recommends where they should go, the board still has the opportunity to vote for that position. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, like we've had some allocations and there's been significant delays in appointing those. So I think that I think in the future if we knew in advance what they were so we could see a

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foresight and have a timeline that they would be utilized within the school year. I think it for me myself it would make it easier voting on some of these items in advance especially with the budget. >> Just to play devil's advocate on that we do we should remain somewhat flexible to

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the needs ever changing needs. This school year is not going to look the same as next school year. I agree. We need to know who they are as soon as possible, but also just keep in mind that we should have somewhat of flexibility. If we fill all seven spots and then realize we have a need outside

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of what those seven certificated are, we're going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> Just something to think about. I >> I'm just knowing what has happened this year and I'm just trying to prevent it for the future. There's a good valid point.

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Might I suggest we go in order of the actual agenda bouncing over? My OCD doesn't do well with that. Thanks. >> All right. Um, number eight is really where it starts with the minutes and then anybody have anything on app right

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now? Number nine is public comment. Number 10 is correspondence. Correspondence with Mr. whole enrollment for the fire emergency show reports. >> I have a question. >> It also involves um the homebound

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instructions further into the agenda, but I'm not seeing any increase in suspension totals to match the homebound construction need. Homebound instruction may not necessarily be due to suspensions. It

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could be due to a variety of other things. Uh medical issues, behavioral issues. So it may not be an actual suspension, >> but the behavioral issues would be on a different report. >> May not be the behavioral issue may not have to may not have resulted in a

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suspension. It could be a different behavioral issue. It might not even necessarily be aggressive behavior. be school phobia or something like that. >> Okay, maybe we can dive into that a little bit more. >> Is is your question, do they need home

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instruction if they're on suspension? Was that your question? >> No, I'm looking for the need to match. So, we're not showing suspensions or anything like that in the enrollment suspension totals, but we're showing that we're looking to approve I think

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it's three homebound instructors, >> but that could be for help for not related necessarily. >> That wasn't a question. Just to confirm that there were not due to behavioral issues that we were aware of because it's not matching. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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And then since we're on that page, wait there again. Okay, never mind. I'll leave. >> Anything else with correspondence? >> All right. Action items number 13, school business administration finance.

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I know I have requested it. I think Lauren, I have also. I've not received any attorney bills lists that we used to receive monthly >> this month. >> I didn't request it, but I know someone went to review the bills list. Was that you, Chris? >> I did. Um,

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>> that would have been legal fees on there, but >> usually you would receive a detailed one >> indicating what makes each expens I believe last month's were sent out. We just received this month's. Okay. >> So, the ones on the bills list would be a month behind on the bills list. So if

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we receive a bill today, you won't you won't see that until next month's bills listed. >> No, but I we used to receive >> the invoices. What you're looking for? So the last month's invoices did go out. This month's haven't gone out yet. >> Yeah, I think Coral needs them approved first on the bill's list. Is that what

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it is before you'll send them to us? >> We send them out to you to review as the bills list is being >> Okay. But they're a month behind. >> Yeah. I just haven't received any in >> I was late. I apologize.

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>> We'll let it happen again. Not in a hurry to charge us. So, we'll leave it at that. >> Anything else with finances? I will say I've noted an increase in our legal expenses. >> We've also increased our meetings. >> Yeah.

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>> And Adam's doing agree. Number two, facilities. Any questions on facilities? See none. Number three, non-personnel items A through H. I'm just going to say if anyone hasn't

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checked the attachment for the preschool budget, it's going to be easy to read through. It's a breath of fresh air. Uh thank you, Dr. Flynn. And uh I wish all budgets were settled. >> And I learned from Coral, we get that

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reimbured almost completely except for about $400,000. Right. >> Okay. That's a relief. >> Carl, letter number three, letter E. Regarding a transportation joinure with

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Tucker Elementary, this is an example of them paying us, correct? To do the routes. >> Yes. And based on what you've said, we have to be making a profit like that route. >> Correct. >> Including the bus lease fee.

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>> The bus trip, the lease fees, fuel, insurance, driver aid if necessary, and then we show a profit on top. Our goal is to basically undercut the private sector bus companies to help out our

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neighboring districts. But we're not transporting neighboring districts at a break even point or a loss. So it has to be profitable on our district side if we're going to get involved. >> And how many routes are we providing? >> This is for only one route. I I believe

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it might be it might be a special ed route. >> Three students. >> Three students on route. >> No, it's three. Is that a profit? >> Dr. Anunos, I have a question about the

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semi. I just got opened it. Is this something that's a correction or is it submitted twice a year? What do we do that for the semi plan? >> I couldn't open it at first. >> Okay. So, so >> I'm sorry.

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>> The semi corrective action plan is a yearly submission >> based on board of semi operations. I I got a question. I seen here there's a donation for five coding robots. What

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are they? What do they do? >> Steam. >> Okay. It's like they teach somehow. Very cool. And while on the topic of donations, thank you Elizabeth Nino for the 250 for the five coding robots. Uh donor's

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choice for $243 and then the little like farmer PTO for multiple line items as well. Um donations are absolutely critical for uh the school and thank you so much. >> Anything else in finance? All right, moving on to superintendent

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items, >> personnel. Any questions? Do we have a plan to equalize the resignations of Paris to the hiring of Paris?

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>> Looks like there were six resigning but only three hiring. >> I think Mr. Dr. Eler kind of answered that in the presentation. just >> for the public because

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>> is he he going to provide one for the public right >> and we are also uh con I have them on my calendar so as he interviews then they come to me and then we interview and then we bring them to the board so he's been doing a lot of interviewing and I've been doing a lot

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>> and uh just thank you to Mrs. I don't know how many years she's been with the district, but anyone know um for all her years of service. Any more questions on that? Moving

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on. Superintendent nonpersonnel. >> Can I go back a second? Sorry. >> Sure. >> I flip my page. >> Um, so are we hiring perdm bus drivers at a lower rate than our part-time bus drivers?

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I'm looking at seven under Yeah. under staffing on page nine. There's not a name list of just the position and >> so the per DM would be the backup drivers. >> So again, we're paying a lower rate and

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we're not paying hourly the same rate because what was the rate for the summer program also? >> It's like a sub rate, right? This is a this is based on like a sub rate for substitute tracker. >> So again and that's my question also too

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moving forward if the part-time paras move forward as well with this um are the rates going to be consistent for substitutes versus part-time etc. And that's something I've uh asked quite a bit about for this year currently because currently we have substitute

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paras being paid less than our current part-time paras. Um, and I it's something that needs to be addressed. I think there needs to be something in place that's more formal than um us reviewing it on a an agenda to

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approve. And in some ways, that's some of the difficulties with not having contracts with these individuals, I guess, is the best way to say. I guess sub rates are always less than

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the regular pay, right? Teachers rates are less. Right now, we're doing subs $10 an hour less for power professionals than part-time parents, >> right? So, we just increase the part-time parent. >> We increased it in September and I have

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been asking since probably November, December about those rates and to bring it up. So, it's something that has to be addressed. >> Okay. minimum what we're mandated to pay, right? Does that make it right?

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>> Any other questions on that section? All right, non-personnel items. >> I just want to say I'm happy to see we're hiring nurses at that rate because we have a hard time getting nurses. >> Page 15. >> Yeah. Um on letter G on page 15,

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um do we have a or could we have um a dollar amount of how much we have dispersed for um those parts of the contract allowing covering courses for I believe I forget what the dollar amount is that we're

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they're allowed to use or how much we've used for this >> year. >> That's the word. Thank you. >> I'll include that with the travel expenses. So the Baron Mori via the contract,

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right? Depending on the contract. >> Okay. >> All right. Page 16, the nonperson. >> Do you want to talk about the contract here because the not contract the calendar? Who has questions on the calendar? >> I think it has made great improvements.

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Thank you. >> So, I know we took a lot of feedback from everybody. Um, you know, everybody there's a lot of input, a lot of stakeholders affected by the calendar. And I think if I can just boil it down to the important parts, uh we're

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starting after Labor Day, >> that Tuesday >> for students, right? >> For students. Yes. The staff will come in Tuesday, September 1st, but students would start after Labor Day. uh we'll have our full November break and we get

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out June 18th >> and snow days will be after that in the event that we have any um Chris I just wanted to say I'm grateful that uh this show is starting on the 8th finishing before the weekend of the 21st in June and that the

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November fall break as you stated stays intact as that is important and it was definitely feedback that the teaching community asked for here. So happy to get that done. >> Any other questions on the calendar or the that section in general policies?

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Were we given a copy of policy 01 55.1? Yes. Should we review that since that was a topic? I understand our council made some revisions.

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Not many though. >> All right. Any other questions? So can I just on this policy? So this now requires I guess you would know this is um that we will have a vote every on policy 0155

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sorry um we'll have a vote before a member is allowed to participate electronically. >> No if you read it it says no vote. >> Sorry I didn't get that. So, >> sorry. Um,

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>> it >> Yeah, I don't know. Um, I don't know how everybody else feels about this. >> It's at the board's discretion. Am I right? Whether it happens, >> can we share it in the first place? >> Yes. So as as adjusted um it says a vote

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by the board to permit the board member to participate the electronic device is not required. >> That that's the update. >> I so last meeting and then you're telling me the last meeting should have been required

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>> current the currently you know as it's currently written. Um my recollection is that um the board member that wants to participate electronically would have to first seek permission from the board

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president. And let me just see I I'll I'll quote it directly. Um yeah, they are to make every effort to notify the board president of their intention to participate remotely at least 24 hours in advance. Um and then it says current,

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this is the current policy. Um the board member must have their participation in the board meeting using an electronic device formally announced at the beginning of the board meeting. A vote by the board to permit the board member to participate the electronic device is

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not required. So that it appears as though it's the same. So my concern is is that in the past we um especially during co um we had one elderly board member. I hate to refer her that way but

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um and she reported from home but she had to assure us that she was alone especially during executive session. and currently how some instances could occur if a camera is not on. We're unaware if an

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individual is alone or if they're around other individuals or exactly what's happening. So is there any way the verbiage could include something so that >> so um my suggestion if there's a concern um that we can't trust board members to to be alone for an executive session um

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would be that you prohibit participation by electronic device for uh executive session if that is a concern um if the board members don't have and I don't I don't want to sound flip here but if there are no trust issues present um

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there's no reason why a board member uh a board member's word couldn't satisfy that they're being truthful. Um mind you that it would be an ethics violation if they were lying uh or if they permitted another person to be in the room with

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them during an executive session electronic participation. That's on the board member. But certainly if you wanted to tighten it up and make it so that no board members can participate electronically in executive session, you can certainly do that.

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And I think just going forward, good practice would be if you can't make the meeting, then you can't make the meeting. Um, just going forward because, you know, a lot of what we do here is important to be here to hear from the public directly. Uh, the conversations that we have in person are a little bit

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different than virtual. So, I'm just asking if you'd make every effort to to be here in person. And if you can't, then you know, unfortunately, this is an option, but I I would personally prefer you not be here if you can't make it. Just we've had so many issues with the

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electronic device up there and uh not to anyone's fault, but just the technology is not always dependable and you know, we should be here as much as we can. >> Uh join remotely seems to be more of a distraction that benefit at least to the

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members that are at the meeting physically. Do we have to have this policy by law? I mean, can we abolish this policy? Does anybody have any interest in retaining this policy? >> I would say quickly, there's no legal requirement that you have this policy.

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>> I think the main uh purpose for this or intent was for people who have a medical condition that would prevent them, you know, and who want to participate >> or any other extenduating circumstances. >> Yeah. My My just thing is if it was on like >> Oh, it was just the technology.

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>> No, no. But also too, if we had you on camera, we could see when you were trying to speak >> and I was on camera, but I was behind the curtain. So, that was not on me. That was a decision that was made with set up. >> Well, I'm just I'm not questioning. I'm just saying that that's a huge

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difference for me also. >> But that's all that would be cut out going forward if either you're here present or you're not. And if there's a medical issue, that's another case. But I would just encourage all board members to attend the meetings in person so we

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can hear directly from the public and conduct their meetings. >> And then just one more thing. So does the president have the ability to deny a board member's request? Just curious. >> Sorry. >> Just bear with me one moment.

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Um, with regard to the proposed revision, um, it's my recollection and as I review it now, that there's nothing, uh, that the president would, um, grant or deny.

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Rather, it says that they should make every effort to notify the board president of their intention. >> I have a question. >> The board is supposed to be involved with creating policies. Is that correct?

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only the board can create policy. >> Okay. Because I know nothing about that like who worked on that revision and I don't agree with the revision. So at what point will that be a discussion? >> So I was asked to revise it which I did maybe a month or two ago. Um and it's

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it's my expectation that the board would have a full and complete discussion about it which you know we're doing now. We no longer I'm sorry we no longer have a policy committee. So that makes it a little >> well you're a committee of the the board is a committee of the whole. So um

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collectively here in sunshine um the board should be discussing this to the extent that there you know my revisions here were based upon information that I received about how things were or weren't working for the district. Um

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what I say is certainly not gospel. You have to decide as a board what works for you here, what's best for the residents here, what's best for the students here, and and you're going to make a determination that way. That's why the voters put you there. So, you know, to

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the extent this is a work in progress, and you should certainly make all of your concerns known. Um, and again, this can be revised and continue to be revised. It's a it's a work in progress. >> That's also why we do two readings.

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first reading and then the board discusses it and then second reading to either approve or not approve. So this is first reading and Tuesday night will be first reading next on the second. So decisions can be talked about,

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>> you know, I I can rationalize it was so so bad last meeting um in terms of the connection. Um and I think it's important that the board members vote be counted. Um but if you know we have to be able to work through the issue with technology, there has to be a balance.

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I'm glad we're having this discussion. um because uh it was it was tough last meeting, but the vote should have been counted in my view. Regardless of the outcome of vote, it should have been counted. >> I I'll make that amendment. Um this is

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our time. I think I'll make that amendment next next week. Can I um just I would hate to say no and god I don't want to jinx anyone but god forbid someone breaks their leg breaks their ankle and physically can't make it here and wants to be here and so that's the

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reason but I do feel that something should be added that camera must be on and that the public must see the camera and trust me it'll be deterrence enough because you're zoomed in right on that screen when it's just you um um having

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attended meetings via Zoom and you're the one sitting in person. Um but in you know those cases I don't want to say a hard cast no because of that. Um cuz we don't know what can happen and you know we signed on for this and we all have intentions of attending and we don't

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know what could happen but I would say that the individual has to be on camera that we have to be able to see them. >> Agreed. No problem with that. >> I respectfully disagree. I think that if you're not able to attend a meeting

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that you should tend to while you're not at the meeting. You come first. Your family comes first. If you cannot make a meeting because something else is a priority, then that's important. It's not okay to feel like you have to put

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your family aside to jump onto a board meeting. We appreciate the time that you volunteer to come to put these things in, but at no point should any board member feel like they have to stop caring for a family member or themselves

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to come on to the board meeting. If it's that important that they can't be there, then they should be focusing on that. I understand your point, but we are a voting board and we have an action meeting and when we leave one out, then we have a six member board. So, it makes

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it a little tough to get things done. show up. >> Yeah. And I think also it should be at the discretion of the board the board if they're remote and they want to break away from a family they care for that should be their choice to do so. >> That's right.

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>> I said if you're able to break away then you should come to the meeting. >> Yeah. Agree. if they can break away and they're physically here and they're not tied up with something else but yet they can participate remotely. I think they should have that right to do

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so official. >> I guess Chris, do you want to ask if do people want to abolish this since Greg uh presented that or >> we can bring it up next meeting. Um it doesn't have to be decided today, but it is something to consider.

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The only thing I would say about against abolishing it is that you just never know when you need it. I would say it's the last last last resort. Don't come. Uh but you just never know and if we need it for whatever reason uh at least

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it's there but it should not be the first option, second option or third option. >> Could it be? >> Yeah, I just don't think that's how it's been used. And clearly distraction our level of execution on technology uh definitely is not meeting the need to

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have a set of as a regular basis. Um maybe we make the stipulation limited in scope to just having it if there's an illness but I I think it has to be few and far between uh and not used as often uh as it has been.

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>> What if it's a no on the policy not abolished that there is a policy saying that we cannot do it at any point we could vote to amend that policy and then there would be a vote. I like I like what Greg just said about the limit but maybe we can put a number on it

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>> that would potentially limit it then it would have to be voted. So if the policy says that we are not allowing electronic involvement at any point for example if I can't be here at the next meeting

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the policy says no I cannot come on electronically but I want to somebody could motion to amend it and therefore they could get on but that would have to be a vote so it would always be a no unless we amended it for that specific

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meeting. Miss M, you're exactly correct. Um, if you recall, there was a board meeting maybe two or three meetings ago where the board suspended the policy at my urging because they wanted to allow somebody to attend, but the the

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remainder of the policy, it was unclear whether or not it was followed. So what we did to make it absolutely kosher um is we voted the board voted to suspend the policy which would be the similar thing that you're talking about if the

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default position was no. >> Correct. And don't forget we moved to two meetings a month in January abruptly. So that changed things. Um and and if we abolish the policy, we still the president has a discretion to still approve somebody joining electronically.

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I don't think that >> I I don't think he can he approve on his own. He can't approve his own. >> Well, if we abolish the policy, then there's no policy and the only way that one can join is by a vote of the majority better

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>> because there's no other uh way to allow. >> Okay. If the policy doesn't have to be voted on, >> what have you seen in other districts? Because I'm sure we're not the only ones. >> Yeah, I've seen across the state or up and down the state. Um, it ranges from

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no participation whatsoever to participation with advanced notice to, you know, just just, hey, pop on and you'll be on and that's it. So, it really it has to work for your community and your board in particular.

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I think to Greg's point, the level in which we execute technology here is a real challenge. That's what it was for me last week, >> last week. Terrible. So, if we can get around that serious discussion and you know, you have audio issues. Um, you

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know, the the list goes on and on. And, um, >> I just really think it needs to be in person. I'm going to say because I I I've I've attended virtually um when I was handling my brother's estate and I had to be out of this state. I don't know what the technology was like here for those of you who were on the board

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at the time whether any better or not. Um but you know I think it has to depend on um you know the reasoning also. I think there's a lot of different factors that need to come into play. I don't think it's a black or white situation in my

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you were president at the time. I remember that and then I asked you for two meetings. >> Yes. >> So to that a vote would be most appropriate because it depends on each situation. >> Yeah. It's not

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>> but you need the policy in place to vote. Not necessarily because in the absence of a policy, you could still vote to allow the default position would be not allowed if there was no policy, but to allow the board would take a vote on a case-byase basis at each meeting where

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somebody wanted to join. And perhaps that's what the policy says. Like we can revise the policy to actually say that if that's the direction that the board wanted to go in, but I it's up to you all of you here. Um I'll write whatever

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it is that you decide. Uh, >> I I'm I'm fine as long as it's not, you know, a definite no given the circumstances, you know, and that every board member has a vote to decide whether or not it happens and takes place. I think that's

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fair. >> You're fine with abolishing it or fine with redefining it the way Tiffany wants to do it? you want to add the same policy? >> Yeah, I think it's it is the same in the end. If we don't have a policy, then we'd have to vote on it each instance.

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>> If we have the policy and include the policy that it has to be majority approved by the board in order for it to happen, that's the same thing basically. >> Well, for tonight, we don't have to do it. You know what I mean? Just discussing action. And if you want,

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>> if you want, I can take a stab at in view of everybody's dialogue tonight, I can take a stab at reddrafting. Um, and if you like it, you like it. And if you don't, that's fine. >> If that'll be helpful, you let me know.

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>> Sure. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anything else on the board work session? School ethics disclosures, >> they're due April 30th. Yeah, please make sure that you and if you need some assistance, just reach out and we'll

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make sure they're done. >> I know I did mine. That's all I know. >> I have too many children that I have to list and chairs me. So, >> all right. Number 10, school business administrator, board secretary. Recommend a motion to approve finance

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items A. I have a motion. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Second. Any questions? >> I thought this was a no action meeting resolution. >> Well, it's highlighted in my book here.

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>> The the resolution that is up for vote tonight is a tentative budget resolution which had adjustments in it with the county approval. So what you voted on prior meeting for the tentative budget, these numbers are slightly different.

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They were adjusted. >> They were adjusted to the review by the county. >> You mean the chart on page three? >> Yes. So you're you're voting right now on the 10th budget resolution. >> And I have one other question. Could other action items been acted upon this

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evening? >> Was I'm sorry, Dr. Sher. The question could other action items be voted on? My understanding is the way this was advertised is that there's going to action may be taken. >> I would somewhat like to request to go

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back into executive time if that's the case. >> How how long do you think we need to be an executive for? If if we're going to go to executive, let's do public forum first so people can talk and then we'll do it afterwards. >> So we're not keeping everybody here.

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>> Okay. >> Any other questions? >> So we >> I mean we submitted this already so we don't have to act on it tonight, do we Carl? >> Yes, >> we do. Okay. It's correction >> and this these are correction from the

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county. Nothing that >> correct. >> Did we receive any type of emails indicating that we were voting on a correction to the budget this evening? >> Any of us notified? >> I actually checked the numbers and I thought they were the same. I

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>> the base number. >> Am I the only one? >> The 2892,000 that had been adjusted >> in the 289276. >> Yes. But what happened was over the past few years the district received tax

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incentive aid from the state which the state now has announced that they are no longer providing. So we had to make an adjustment of $106,110. So all the numbers down reflect that. I mean, I did ask if this was an action meeting the other day when we had a different meeting and it was verified

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that it was a no action and Chris and Tiffany were both at that meeting. >> So, Carl, what if we two questions one, when did we get this this these updated numbers? And two, what if we don't take action tonight? Okay, so the numbers were updated yesterday through the

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county and from my office and then verified by both offices that this is our 10th year budget. and they were put into the agenda. The retentative budgets put in numbers put in on Friday and then they were adjusted down one more time this afternoon.

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>> Okay. And what if we don't approve it tonight? >> Uh we will not be in compliance. >> We will not be in compliance. >> Is it a QAC issue or >> uh it's a QAC issue? The county has allowed us additional time knowing that we had a planned meeting for tonight

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>> and requested that the vote be taken tonight. Otherwise, we would have had to call for a special meeting for last night in order to accommodate the county. So, we would have had a special meeting last night and another meeting tonight. >> But none of this was shared with any of

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us. Correct. And unless >> correct. Okay. >> We can discuss this exact The discussion though about a budget is not an executive session discussing. So to the extent that it's going to be discussed, it has to be discussed out

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here in the sunshine. >> What is this really changing? >> It's just changing the revenue number and expenditure number uh based on the tax levy incentive that the state is no longer providing. Carl, we originally were at a 2%

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increase plus debt service. >> That has not changed. >> That has not changed. I've seen tenative communicated any change and increase. So I >> there's been no change in the appropriations in the revenue section except for the tax levy incentive which the state is no longer providing.

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>> Dr. Anton, were we aware that this was we were going to be voting on this resolution today? >> This was put out on Friday. >> Literally put out just Janette on Friday, I had told a parent that this was a non voting meeting and

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if you knew that it was a meeting, a voting meeting, then I have issues because I wouldn't have said that to a parent. >> No, I was also under that same impression if you recall at our meeting. >> I I did I all I would maybe this might

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help. >> The vote that's being asked for tonight by the county is for the tenative budget. The >> final budget is next Tuesday. >> I think we should stress too the numbers are exactly the same because I calculated 2%. And I got

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>> the 2% nothing has changed for that >> except for the tax levy incentive aid which was placed on the userfriendly budget which the state now is saying they're not going to provide. And so my my notion or or second of this is Carl

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when you don't communicate any type of change the trust and assumption is that that 2% remained in place and it's stated tentative. So actionable or not you didn't communicate a change. You didn't communicate but you didn't

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therefore communicate a change. Therefore I was okay with seconding that. So I'm still okay with it. >> Yeah I agree. It doesn't change these numbers at all. It was the inner budget. >> Correct. >> It's still supposed to be a non-action meeting

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>> and we were all disclosed. This was a non-action meeting. That's the issue that I'm holding. You're asking me to take action on something that I was unaware that I was going to be voting on and that is not ethical. >> So, we should call a special meeting then. >> If we have to.

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>> Carl, when does this have to be turned in? The county is expecting it tomorrow morning. Did we notice Thursday evening? >> This is because unfortunately the council does this from time to time. They throw in things that either we call a special meeting or if you have something planned already, you could

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talk about that. Now, Carl, though, I don't think that was made clear obviously to the members that this was something timesensitive that needed to be voted on tonight. So, Dr. Snyder, how would you like to proceed since you you is this what you want to talk about in

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executive? Well, it's just the fact that I was under the impression and I was told by you were in that same meeting where this was not a non-action meeting. Dr. Ana said it was a non- action meeting. We had a meeting last evening. It was >> typically these aren't non- action

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meetings, but this is something my understanding that needs to be done by the county. He can't wait till next week. We had a schedule >> an email. All it had to be sent between Friday and today was an email by Dr. Antunes or >> Mr. I believe, you can correct me if I'm

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wrong, but the agenda was sent out on Friday and this was included in Friday's agenda. >> Again, I'm under the assumption that it's a non voting >> especially when I was told by the superintendent on Friday that no action would be taken.

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>> Okay. So, miscommunication, we're here now. How would you guys like to proceed? >> It sounds like we have a first and a second. I think we have to vote it at this point. I think we're all dissatisfied that we came into this believing that it was a non- action uh meeting, but at this point, I believe we

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have to vote on it. >> No, I just want to add, no, our business at hand is a very dynamic situation. Things occur. If on Friday, Carl was given a state change, he presented a budget through the agenda, I wasn't 32.

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I don't see it as unethical because we have we live in a very dynamic situation. We as professionals have to choose to trust one another and to be able to act and stay in compliance and not be have >> we have to give the information in a timely manner.

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>> I don't think I think we're allowed to ask questions too. Sorry to interrupt, >> but we are allowed to ask questions through email. If you see something off or we have, you know, an answer we want. >> Yeah. >> What what typically happens is Carl would say, "Hey guys, this is not actual meeting, but this particular item needs

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to be voted on to satisfy the county, >> but we weren't told that in this particular case. >> So, in the future, if we have to do this in a non- voting session and vote on something that's outside of our normal procedure, could you please let us know?" >> Yes. Uh what can we do now? Are you guys

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comfortable? We have to vote on it. So what questions do you have feel comfortable voting on this change? >> And again this is a tentative budget. >> Tentative sounds like it's time sensitive too at this point. >> And again this is tenative right? So

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even though >> correct we vote on it right now. So next week to change it or to challenge it or to correct that your final budget vote is next Tuesday. >> This is just to satisfy the county. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> And the numbers are exactly the same.

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>> Chris, to your point, I I truly operate if I don't hear from Carl or Dr. Anton, then I'm assuming there is no change in the last conversations we've had and that you would be ethical and reach us if there was change. And so it's t the

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budget. It's timesensitive. There's no change to the increase. It's not considered a major change because the tax levy increase has not changed. >> Carl, I I get I guess you deal with these numbers every day, it's not a big deal to you, but us walking into a

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meeting believing that it's not action, it's a big deal to us. So it definitely caught us by surprise. >> Even though it was on the agenda, I do understand. >> Correct. But in the future, we would appreciate a heads up, but I I understand where you're coming from. >> All right. Do we vote on it?

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Anyone? Anyone have any questions? >> Um I I I want to make one more comment. Um so prior education I was 20 years in the private sector home building and engineering and I was a P&L um finance budget manager and you know

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um there's there's administering the budget and there's overseeing the budget. If I were to have reported every item to my regional president, I would be in a non unionized environment, which I'm proud and happy to work in now. And then it was an I would I would not be

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viewed as someone who could manage his his universe, his world, and I would be held accountable in that regard. So, I completely understand how how this can stress some of us out and I respect that completely. And I do believe this now that Carl knows, you should definitely

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communicate that in the future. Um, I can see I can see where Carl's at in a little bit. Just having worked in that world and really being SP responsible for 74 million plus dollars in budgets myself in the course of my career. Um, it's hard. It's it's a responsible

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action to let everyone know certainly now that you know that. Um but um you know I'm still okay with having fun seen in the seen in the agenda. >> Respectfully do not say that this is stressing me out.

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>> This was a a board workshop which meant that this posting for this event had to be changed to an event that was going to have an actionable item on it to vote. Therefore that should have been clarified. It's not stressing me out. It was how it was handled. And I forgive me

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for stating that point, but it's not stressing me out. That's my me doing my due diligence. >> Did I just say I do? Did I Did I not hear you correctly? Did you use the term stress? That's what I thought I heard you say. People were stressed out.

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>> Did I misunderstand that you off the cuff? I I don't even I but at this point um I think unless we have questions on the numbers >> I'd like to add >> Dr. Schneider our workshop sessions from

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our reorg meeting would never advertise non voting which means they could be voting meetings if necessary. >> So if you want to change that then go back to make a change on the workshop >> then again Dr. Antunes should have clarified that on Friday when I told the

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parent that no action could have been taken and I was very stress stress that greatly. So then more than one of us are under the impression that these were non-actionable meetings. >> So if yeah I I think in the future it needs to be crystal clear made crystal

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clear to us if we're taking action at a workshop. My assumption coming into a workshop is that we're going to discuss all the matters, talk through policy, everything, not take action. So I think there's some protocol if there needs to be action taken at a workshop

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>> which should be few and far between. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think we didn't understand maybe but you did mention this resolution in executive did you not that that we would be reapproving it or approving it? I think you did. I'm sorry I was late um due to my daughter's doctor's appointment but

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>> but again we can you know we can find it's the first time we've had an issue come up in a workshop right >> that has been voted on >> so now you know some kind of protocol >> so just one point on that um this is our fourth month of doing board as a whole

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last year we did board as a committee uh which meant that we had side committees in between board meetings and one of the reasons why was why we switched was so that everybody could hear the same information at the same time. And the understanding was when we did it when we did the switch that the first meeting

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would be informational only. So we'd have a week to digest the information, ask questions, follow up, and that we would vote the second meeting. This is the first time, my understanding, that we've actually had to take action in anformational meeting. So going forward,

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if that happens again, can you please let us know so we know walking in here in anformational meeting that we need to take action? >> We could do it so that when the agenda comes out on the Friday, I know come out with it. >> A simple fix. It's just communicate. It

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sounds like an honest misunderstanding. >> Yeah. Thank cuz it's even like if changes happen in the agenda that we're reviewing. All I ask for is a highlight or an anything that's changed, any names that have been added. Um any agenda line items. And in the past, I've recently had to ask Chris if anything has

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changed. Um but um when we previously did workshops with a former superintendent um for a couple months, we did received an update saying, "Okay, this has changed. This has changed." And I think that's important because every time that we read the agendas is

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different for each one of us. That's when we have time in our schedule. So changes could have occurred um between the first draft to the draft that the next person is reading on the Google Docs. So >> maybe we could construct it so the

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agenda be resent out with the highlighted change with change highlighted so you could identify right away. >> Okay. >> All right. Um roll call please. Mr. Chone. >> Yes. M server. Yes,

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>> Mr. Leega. >> Yes, >> Miss Middle. >> Yes, >> Dr. Snder. >> Abs, >> Mr. O'Keefe. >> Yes, >> Mr. Phill. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. >> Okay, public comment.

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The board of education welcomes public comment on the items that we of any choice. Uh the board of education recognizes the value of public comment on educational issues. The board requests that each statement made by participant is limited to 5 minutes as

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cited in policy number 0167. There is a sign in sheet located at the podium. Please sign in before you speak. >> Barrow 667 Pine Valley Court in Harbor City.

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I have no skin in the game with Lily Clark Township. I'm here to support 81 power professionals by union brothers and sisters.

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I've just witnessed the exact definition of cognitive dissonance. And let me read that to you. Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort or psychological stress experienced when a person holds two or

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more contradictory beliefs, values or attitudes simultaneously. Introduced by Leon Festinger, this theory highlights that inconsistencies between behaviors and beliefs cause tension motivating people to alter their

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attitudes or actions to restore harmony. Folks, you just spent more time talking about a calendar, about a board policy on cameras and being on a camera, what

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have you. And now this discussion about whether you were going to be taking action, yet you didn't spend the time to talk about 81 people who are going to who are losing. you're going to make them not full-time. How is that

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possible? Where are your values? Honestly, it's astounding to me. The president of NJA was sitting in the back on his anniversary night here to come and speak

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in defense of 81 power professionals, essential employees and you are still amongst yourselves about your policy, your guidelines and I applaud the questioning. I thank the questioning.

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But if you value doing your jobs and your fiduciary responsibility and you're a board of the whole, then everybody should know what's happening. And if you didn't know in your executive session, you should have figured it out.

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If everybody wants to know and if it's a working session as advertised with no action being taken, it's a problem. This is a problem. So when you talk about your priorities and I thought, "Oh, good. I think there

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hopefully you're doing something here." You just disproved my what I said that I thought there was some kind of progress. Honest to God, the dysfunction and who's doing what,

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that's wrong. And I'm not saying shame. I'm just saying get your priorities together. Start working together for the betterment of the school. Stop putting amongst yourselves. I got this and I'm here. I'm here. Like fine, have the

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discussion. It might be a fierce discussion, but have it before you come out in public and you are worried about all stuff right now that doesn't that is not big

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potatoes. big potatoes is 81 people that you're reducing their hours. You're causing them stress. >> That's absolutely insane to me. >> Worrying about being on a video.

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>> It I have no skin in the game. I just have to go through the Burlington tail of the dog, go across the Mullica River, get off at exit 44 and just drive over to Blue Heron Pines where my house is.

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But I came up because I believe in people and I believe in how important these people are to making your school a success. Please start to work with each other and professionals. You need to do a better job

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communicating with this board of education. Otherwise, you're going to constantly be on this perpetual wheel and you don't have confidence in the public. The last board meeting had this room packed with

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people trying to emphasize how important the jobs were. 81 people, yet you're worried about cameras and and whatnot. It's just it's it's baffling to me. Please

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please when I use the word ruminate in my earlier speech really it's like reflection our craft when we're in the classroom we're supposed to go back and think about

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and reflect on what happens. This just does not reflect very well on you right now. All of you. You need to get your acts together and you need to determine what your priorities are. And you need to build a collaborative group with your

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community where it truly is open and transparent. And what happens, man, integrity. When you tell someone there's no action going to be taken, but then action gets taken, that's

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wrong. And and it puts a person in a bad situation. and it's not right. That's all I have to say. I I just I will be here next Tuesday and I hope and not only

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you have the NJ president here to speak. We were just baffled. We were baffled >> about what happened. But you'll but I'll tell you I will I will organize every one of the county presidents to come

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down and talk to you about how important it is to support the members here to support your staff and not worry about running a private bus company >> and undercutting and undercutting and

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then undercutting a private bus company. But then yet you're going to then charge any districts a premium price. Well, are they going to take your premium price or they're going to go to the to back to the private company who's going to

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outbid you? >> Okay, ma'am. Thank you very much. >> Just just please. I'm going to be probably the only person that stands up. All Carl, you're going to talk to me about it. Come on, please. Please. You're already over 6 minutes.

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>> I understand. >> I understand. But >> my frustration is coming out because everyone in this room is frustrated with this. >> Thank you. And there's other people that want to speak. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> I'll speak. >> Okay. Good. >> It's me again, >> Jason Baker. Three Maple Wood. >> Um, I actually wasn't planning on talking like last time. Kind of felt the

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need. Uh, I will just point out I do appreciate the tone of the meeting. seems a lot more respectful, a lot less condescending. Um, I did come here to hear updates. I didn't hear any. I was hoping for something. I got nothing. Uh, there was

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some horal pats on the back, a lot of birds of reassurances for each other. That was cool. Um, I'm not going to ask questions because last time I was here, hundreds of people asked questions and not one answer came to them once when it went back to you guys. So, what's the

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point in asking questions if you're not going to give us answers? Uh, I did notice u I feel like there would have been a lot more support for the paras from their fellow co-workers, but I know I feel like um they were a little worried about repercussions or

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consequences if they got up here and spoke in support of the parents and that seems kind of telling, little upsetting. Um, I also want to point out I think the buses are a bad idea. I agree with Siri. You guys

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don't take away pretty cheap the first year or two because they're new, but uh I've seen firsthand what happens when new things break. It's real expensive. Um I said the last time, I don't envy you guys. I don't even the elected members.

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I don't envy you at all. You guys, uh you're in a tough spot. Hopefully, you can remember all the other people that came up here and talked and remember where your values came from. Other than that, just sitting here seem

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like a lot of songs from you guys. Just you guys seem fractured. Hopefully, you uh can figure it all out. Um, but just sitting out here pretty disappointing. I hope you guys do what's right for the community and the kids.

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Thank you very much. Okay. Did I kill it? You want me to break my Hello, my name is Raquel Seed Lander. I live at 12 Rosemont Lane, Little Lake Harbor. Um, I wanted to say thank you to Carl. I

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had a very nice conversation with you yesterday regarding the school repairs. Um, I do appreciate feeling heard. Um I will al say also say that I did speak with the gentleman outside regarding an

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air quality test. Um I did confirm with him that standing water is a big issue when my daughter was having the hives all over her body. There was a lot of standing water in the building during that time and he did confirm that is a

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big issue and it can often times be there. He said there's even worse things than mold in that water sometimes. Um, so I just wanted to point that out. I also wanted to point out that I believe my daughter's classroom was cleaned up prior to the air quality test. I know it

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was the numbers were the lowest on the test, which is great. That was the point. Um, but I just wanted to point that out that if you had that test prior to cleaning up the classroom, I would imagine the numbers would have been

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different. Um, so thank you again for cleaning up the school. That's really just what I want. I know from being here last year when I came to the school dance, there was stains all over this

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wall. It's cleaned up now, but I mean, you can still see the remnants of it. Um, I just hope that the school takes the measures to not let this happen again. It's unhealthy. I'm sure it's

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costing you more money than if you had gotten the new roof sooner. Um, I know that a lot of this seems to have been passed along, but uh maybe put in your notes when you leave your position. Let's keep up on the facility

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stuff for the school. Um, and that's really it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Elizabeth Basque, 15, Heather Wright, Bing, New Jersey. I'm a teacher in district. And

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I'm going to keep it very simple because I have a lot of things to say. There was an Oprah request uh that was not fulfilled um and it pertained to the attendance of one of our board members.

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Uh I believe she is pretty close to using up all of her permitted absences. Uh so I do hope that the board holds all its members accountable for attendance. And I would like to point out that our

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technology team does not get paid to be here. They don't get paid to be here. We are two people in the district. A network coordinator was posted to be hired a very very long time ago. I don't have the exact date and it has not been

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fulfilled. And we have two people who give up their time and adjust their schedules and do not get any kind of reimbursement. So when you guys stand here and talk about technology, it is not necessarily technology on our end.

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Sometimes it's technology on the user's end. And you cannot and heaven help me, you cannot be participating in a board meeting while driving. So please do not have that.

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We are working on their goals. We are working on their homes and retaliate all you like because I am here advocating for the people who make us function, who set up your tables and your microphones and pull down the screens and make the

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lights and all the things. Literally all the things. I can't function without them next week for state testing. I can't. I need them here. and they're not going to be here because they're going to be working at a board meeting because they have to work late

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that night for you guys, for all of us. They're essential to all of us. And it's unfortunate and there are a lot of other things I'd like to say, but thank you for getting the building cleaned up.

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And I am curious about our insurance and the solar panels um and how all that's going to iron out. I think there were a lot of answer questions after the last board meeting that I hope next week we get answers to. I agree with Dr.

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Schneider in the fact that in the past there was a budget presentation where it said we are going to get this many essential employees, this many parents, this many the whole breakdown of all the details and I really really really

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really hope that on Tuesday we get to hear um the car presentation that the board got tonight. I hope that you tell us exactly where you're going to spend your money on because going back 21 years

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last year I said the same thing. Where's all the information? Which one might be some of us? Um but he also did not provide the information and I'm hoping that we have that next. >> Thank you very much. Anyone else?

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All right, everybody. How's everybody doing tonight? So, I I'm here just to uh talk about the cost of living, right? So, can anybody make a reasonable argument that the cost of living has gone down in the

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last year? Has anybody can anybody make a reasonable argument that inflation has gone down this last year? Can't, right? It's not really possible because inflation goes up every year.

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The US, the Feds, they set a 2% target for inflation to go up. They don't want it to be more than 2%. This is federally for our entire United States of America. But it's higher than that sometimes. Sometimes our economy just can't keep up

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with it. Right now inflation's at 3.6% so far for 2026. Two last year was like uh 2.7% or so. Yeah. 2.7. Last year was 2.6 2.7

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stable near target. 2006 and so far is uh excuse me 3.3 and rising. We can't help global events. Can't help it. What we can do is set a budget. We can try to figure out a plan for the future. If we're going to I don't need to pick

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on buses, but I'm going to use them as an example. If we're going to set a target for how much it's going to cost to run our buses, one of the things is the cost of fuel. Has anybody seen what's happened to the cost of fuel in the last 3 months? Yeah.

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>> So, the question is in the budgeting, this is purely hypothetical, is you can set it's going to cost $6,000. I don't care about the number. It's it's broken down by miles per gallon, static miles, hours burn, how much it's going to be per

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gallon. And so, diesel fuel, for example, is $4 a gallon on your calculations. And it spikes to $6 a gallon as it has now. What do we do? I know you guys want a 2% cap on the in

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on the increase. I get that. I understand that that's the goal. When diesel fuel is $6 a gallon and you cannot pay the the bill, are you then okay with raising the taxes

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to the residents to cover the unexpected pill cost? Here's an interesting one. Armstrong, the company Armstrong makes ceiling tiles. We've gone through a couple of them, huh?

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So, have they gone up? So, according to some data that I have, uh, they have I think I just lost it because I was moving stuff around here. Oh, here we go. The major manufacturer, Armstorm,

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announced a 5% increase on mineral mineral fiber panels and 7% increase on fiberglass panels in 2025, plus a planned additional 5% increase in 2026. I know somewhere in your budget, you have ceiling panels cuz I know you guys

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are buying. I hope you're getting like reward points on them at this point, >> but they're going up. When those go up and you can't eat your 2%, what are you going to do? The price of everything goes up. I want to point everyone's attention to that Hershey's ice cream

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thing right there. Right next to Lieutenant Mark. Thank you for your service. That Hershey's thing on your way out. I want everybody to look at. If you do nothing else, send it to me when you look at that because it has a sign on it that says ice cream $1. Good deal for kids, right?

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>> There's a sticker over it. Do you know what it says? Yeah. >> 25 over the 00. Now it's 25. Then there's a sticker over that says $150. >> Now when you go look at it, it's $1.75 because

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it costs more money. Everything goes up. You have a responsibility to your taxpayers. You have a responsibility to your senior citizens. I get it. But the people here on this board have a responsibility to your school, to the

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students, and to the staff. And when you are afraid, chicken to do what's right and raise the cost just like everyone else does. Go to McDonald's and tell them, "Hey, that happy meal was five bucks last year. Why is it 12 now?" That's because that's what it costs. It

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costs to run a business. A school is a business. Everybody knows I'm in the oil repair business, oil changes cost more money than they used to. I can't tell people, well, no, no, we're still going to do $25 things because that's what it used to be.

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Get the the just you're going to have to raise taxes. Don't want to do it, you're going to have to do it. This is what happened in Pineland. Pinland ended up in collapse. The school was closed for for years because for 30 years their board

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was too chicken to do what was right and take care of their building, take care of their staff. Don't fall into that pattern. You guys are better than that. I respect you. Thank you. >> Anyone else? All right. See none

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board forum. >> Before that, can I just comment on something? Um >> Oh, that's that's sport form. You feel >> if that makes you feel better? >> Um >> uh just again, I been a member of the

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public and I never like to feel like I made all this effort. I came out here, you know, I'm not sitting comfy on the couch and asked questions and I never received a response. So, I'm going to just go through it was a lot more manageable this this week. Um, Mr.

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Formoski I know asked about the the buses in Paris and I'm just going to say from and I'm not a bus expert, but there are two as and I'm going to use an Abby Martin line, you know, we're only as good as the information that we're

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given. And so that's how we can proceed with votes and decision making and things like that. From our understanding, the buses and cars are completely separate categories line items. Buses are buses and it's comparative from this year's bus budget

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to last year's bus budget. And I'm not going to try to answer those questions, but I I know he's spoken with Carl. I would suggest it again if he has um more questions. And again, I do not know much about previously of what we had. And again, my position on the Paris doesn't

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change. Um, still encouraging meetings with the Paris, trying to work to come to something. I guess that's all I can say about that. But haven't given up hope. Um,

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as Mr. Weiss has said, everyone knows my position on this very, very clearly. Um, I guess I'm an open book, but I I'm hopeful and that's that I have to have hope. Um, that at the end of the day. Um,

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and I know he also mentioned the Paris with insurance, but I forgot what that was about. Um, I know the NJ president um had spoken again. We have we have spoken. We we're very grateful for the meeting we had last night with par professionals union

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representation and we're hoping to have more meetings and we're it it's it's it's not over. I guess let's let's have the hope that it's not over. Um in my opinion um just

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um with regards to the ESTR funds I think it was Kate Sanchez. Um, I was on the board at that time and I did vote no to things. Um, and as each of us can say here, we're only Laura and I were on the board at the time together. I think we're the last ones

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from that era. Um, we both voted no, but when you're only two people out of seven, that voice isn't always the dominant voice. Um, and again, I did I know Jason Baker, I did try I do try to answer questions, but I will say um I'm a college

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professor and I say there's never a stupid question or question that anyone should be afraid to ask. Um, the school repairs, thank you and for bringing different things to our attention. you are right that standing water is extremely um hazardous and that's something that should be looked at a

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little more um or taken care of on a daily basis in the event that there's rain and things like that. As for um Mrs. cas um the insurance costs I I I had forgotten about that but I have requested that we continue to look at

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other vendors or other possibilities to see if that's an area that we can save money um as well um and along with some things with regards to cars a lot of things were restricted upon with regards to insurance now I remember Mr.'s ask

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question. Um, we're locked in by contracts, state requirements. There's some things that our hands are tied on that we can't say, "Okay, we'll change this and then things will work out." It's just not in our we don't have that power. Um,

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and then Mr. Miller brought up a wonderful point regarding fuel and things like that with regards and the projections. Um, you know, I wonder if we would be in a different position with the question of raising taxes for the budget for the

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school if members of the community still voted on it. But then again, how many times were budgets voted down on when community members voted on it? Um, think about I mean, I've been in this district for 20 plus years now. Um, I don't remember how many times we went out for

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the referendum for George Mitchell. Um and you know same for Pelands. So we are doing the best we can. Um as for myself I ask a lot of questions and that might seem very very annoying even to my board

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members but um that's I have to feel that I was given this position and voted in number one originally with just 23 votes because people stand on me. I ask questions and I I steer with what's

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right and not who's saying it. Um and if it's not personal for me, it is about the kids. And that's what I heard last night from the parents. Um sac everyone is willing to sacrifice for the children of this district. And

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that is one thing that everyone here is amazing for and that I'm forever grateful. And I've had children go through this district. So, please know that we're still working on this and we're still trying our best. Um, and you might not always see what

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we're doing, but we're doing okay. And thank you for all of you who come again tonight. >> Thank you, Tiffany. everything Christine said. Again,

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>> um I was not chosen to be on the negotiations committee, but thankfully first was. Um so I didn't get all of that information from those who participated in that until today. Um, you know, it's tricky

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when you're not able to get the information directly from being in the committee, but I was happy to receive the same information from all the board members separately. Like everything lined up. Um, and as well as

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people who were at the meeting coming back to me as a parent, it all lined up. So, it does look like it was a a good meeting, if you will. And I am hopeful that there will be a meeting very soon

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to continue those negotiations and I look forward to seeing the outcome of the negotiations being done ethically and morally. Um, with that, I save I usually save all my fun stuff for

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the um the regular meeting where we take action, but I just want to remind everybody that staff appreciation week is coming up. Um, so please look for that from the PTO. Um, because it is important that the community shows all

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staff. It's not just teacher appreciation week. It's staff appreciation week. That's every single person who is employed in this district. and I appreciate every single person who works in this district. So, please look for that and u be a part of it.

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That's it. >> Thanks. >> I want to say uh big shout out to Mr. Cole at facilities maintenance department. Um great that they got right on top of the indoor air quality issues that we had here in the building. Um,

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we had some wet ceiling tile. We had some standing water. It was great that they got Epic Environmental out here right away to get on top of these things so everybody would feel safer and know that things are being taken care of so nobody's getting sick, you know, things like that. Makes it a better teaching

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environment for the kids, for the children. Um, congratulations also to the attendance for I think it was Miss Goodman's right and uh George Mitchell. And then in frog pond there was a tie with Miss Savage and Miss Parker and uh

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me and Dr. here talked about getting the kids pizza. So that's something that we did which was great. Happy to do it. And I'm happy to see the numbers get up for the kids showing up for school and being here getting their education. Um, that's pretty much it. Thank you for

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everybody coming out tonight. Great to see the NJA out here tonight. I am also a member myself, you know, so I appreciate seeing you guys out here. Um, and hopefully we can come to to some terms with some of the towers possibly.

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I mean, hopefully that's something we could do, but that's a a talk. It's good that we're talking about things and seeing where it goes. So, thank you everybody. Have a good night. Uh since the last meeting, um I had the pleasure of sitting in on a host of

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meetings um with several community members, um the administration, and um it is just absolutely incredible to see the the community rally around um our Paris. I know we had a meeting with Mr. Miller and and it was just beyond incredible. Uh the amount of time that

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you know he invested out of his own time to uh offer solutions, crunch numbers, uh come to sit down with us uh during the uh during his business day um was just amazing. Um the meeting I got to sit in last night with uh the union and the Paris. Um it was incredible how

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things shifted to the parish wanted to talk about the students and um what they were concerned about would impact them and tell us stories about what a day in the life looks like and the challenges and the struggles they have. So um this is definitely at the forefront of our mind. Um I appreciate everything each

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and every one of you do uh every single day. Um and that I thank you Lord. Um, as some of the members have said before, we have we're not able to discuss I'm glad you're discussing what we're doing behind the scenes, but we

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can't discuss details regarding those meetings. And with all due respect, we did do our due diligence and made a decision on 310 of this year. Um, so we are moving on. as suggested at the last

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meeting if you watched it. Uh we're doing just what was suggested and that is having discussions. Furthermore, I would like to respond to the way I was treated at the last meeting. I'm sure I won't get claps. Um I really hope it wasn't one of our

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teachers who went to Facebook to quote track down the alleged Laura Ver Florida home to have her removed because we believe the board already can do it legitimately. end quote. I really couldn't believe that some members of a professional organization like the

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teachers union would try to dox a dyeleed board member or anyone else for that matter. And while I do not owe anyone but my colleagues on the board an explanation, I will inform you all that I don't have a home in Florida. However, I needed to be there for a short while

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to care for my three-month-old grandbaby. Like I said, no one's business, especially not the teachers union. In my review of the last meeting, I also heard Miss English ask for my removal from the board. It's unbelievable the length to which the NJA will go to try and

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intimidate and even out Excuse me. This is my time. This is my time. >> I was I was mistreated. Are we going to >> age? You're only talking about yourself. >> Please let her finish.

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selfloyment. >> Okay. Clearly, harassment, intimidation, and bullying were on full display at the last meeting from many professionals. Unfortunately for them, the teachers union has a pretty consistent reputation of being very bad examples for our children.

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I am an elected member to this board and I have a right to speak. >> You're very ignorant. >> So we don't want to hear you. I'm not >> whomever would try to locate a board of education member who traveled out of

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state to care for family owes my family and myself an apology. It seems there are no limits to how lowome folks will go just because you disagree. Finally, to our parents and teachers who were respectful in the audience, thank you. You all have compelling stories and were

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definitely heard and felt at the last meeting. This board must make decisions in the best interest of students first and be fiscally responsible at the same time. Please understand this. We are doing the best we can with the current situation. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. 9:40. I just want to say real quick um thank you to Mr. Rendazzo for his leadership last night and for everyone that came out to start the discussions. It is the beginning of discussions. Um, you know, like Greg said, this is at the forefront of of

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what we're trying to do to um to negotiate. So, thank you for coming and we're going to continue to give you the information that you need. Um, and also just thank you to all the PAR professionals. It's been very difficult for you guys over the past couple weeks, but you continue to show up for the kids

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every single day. I've seen it with my own kid. You guys are phenomenal. You continue to show up, and I just want to say thank you despite the circumstances. You guys are amazing and thank you for showing up every single day for the kids. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> All right. A German. Can I have a motion? >> Oops. Motion. >> Can I have a second? Second. >> All in favor? Hi, >> a German at Shane