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Part 1 (Video ID: mGqFc2KZCc0):
- 00:00:08: Meeting Start: Flag Salute, Public Notice, and Roll Call
- 00:02:31: Application 1: Downtown Redevelopment Plan Ordinance Amendment
- 00:05:35: Application 2: North Brook Developers Minor Subdivision Proposal
- 00:08:16: North Brook Developers: Architectural Testimony by Adam Lota
- 00:15:39: North Brook: Questions for the Architect - Bedroom Details
- 00:20:08: North Brook: Engineering Testimony by David Fantina
- 00:27:28: North Brook: Engineer Q&A - Easements, Trees, and Design
- 00:32:39: North Brook: Engineer Discussion - Property Width, Justification
- 00:41:38: North Brook Developers: Meeting Opened to the Public
- 00:41:52: Public Comment 1: Teresa Beazawitz - Division Requirements
- 00:43:31: Public Comment 2: Unnamed - Concern for Backyard Wall
- 00:49:21: Public Comment 3: Unnamed - House Size and Neighborhood
- 00:51:50: Public Comment 4: Unnamed - Increase Value for Lots
- 00:54:17: Public Comment 5: Andy Giacono - Fairness and Financial Gain
- 01:02:35: Public Comment 6: Beth Nelson - Usable Land Issues
- 01:10:41: Public Comment 7: Dawn Castro - Flooding and Precedent
- 01:17:58: Public Comment 8: Wasim Marshed - Adjacent Neighbor Concern
- 01:21:56: Public Comment 9: Bill - Neighborhood Setback
- 01:23:12: Public Comment 10: Stephen Boguszewicz - Sump Pump Issues
- 01:25:09: Public Comment 11: Nash Park Residents - Community Loss
- 01:26:37: Public Comment 12: Roy Castro - Drywell Size Concerns
- 01:31:36: Public Comment 13: 183 Francisco - Not Double in Essence
- 01:34:34: Public Comment 14: - State Level Approval and Process
- 01:35:29: North Brook Developers: Public Meeting Closed, Wrap-Up Remarks
- 01:39:50: North Brook Developers: Rebuttal and Board Discussion
- 01:41:38: North Brook Developers: Motion, Second, and Board Vote
- 01:44:05: North Brook Developers: Council Recusal and Recess Called
- 01:57:30: Application 3: Lasala Developers Senior Housing Proposal
- 02:05:59: Lasala Developers: Architectural Testimony by Mick Marik
- 02:16:30: Lasala Developers: Q&A - Ingress/Egress, Signage, Porch Use
- 02:21:22: Lasala Developers: Questions - Garage Ventilation, Unit Sizes
- 02:27:59: Lasala Developers: Engineering Testimony by David Fantina
- 02:33:44: Lasala Developers: Engineering Discussion - Drainage, Landscaping
- 02:45:36: Lasala Developers: Technical Considerations on Plan Exhibit
- 02:54:19: Lasala Developers: Discussion - Neighbor Protection, Buffers
- 03:01:24: Lasala Developers: Discussion - Uphill Turn and Residents
- 03:04:57: Lasala Developers: Conclusion - No Meeting in July


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Everyone please stand for the flag salute by the United States of America. Thank you. Valerie, please read a statement of public notice. >> The Little Falls Township Planning Board meeting of Thursday, May 7, 20126 is

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called to order. Please take notice that adequate notice of this meeting was provided in accordance with NJSA10 column 4-8 and NJSA10 column 4-10 as follows. Notice of the meeting was promptly posted on the bulletin board at

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the municipal building located at 225 Main Street, Little Falls, New Jersey on January 8, 2026. A copy of the notice was sent via email to the North Jersey Heralding News on the same date. Additionally, a copy of the notice was filed in the office of the township clerk. Please note that this meeting is

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being taped. Therefore, we ask that you speak loud and clear into the microphones. >> Thank you. Please call the role. >> Mr. Barry, >> here. Mr. Karaj, Mr. Luke Damiano, Miss Gataldo, Mr. Sber >> here,

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>> Mr. Poses >> here, >> Mayor Damiano, Councilman Scoba >> here, >> Dr. >> here, >> Mr. Dolan >> here, >> Mr. Rema, >> Mr. Jordan, >> Mr. Gregoro >> here, >> Mr. Kblars >> here,

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>> Mr. Barry >> here, >> Mr. Kilpatrick >> here. Thank you. Uh, Councilman, do we have anything for the board tonight? >> Chairman, at our last council meeting, no concern resident came before the governing body.

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>> Thank you. May I have a motion for the approval of the minutes of the April 2nd, 2026 meeting? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Please call the girl. >> Mr. Barry. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Deeper. >> Yes. >> Mr. Posches. >> Yes. >> Dr. Aki. >> Yes. >> Mr. Dolan. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jordan. >> Jeremy Katrick. >> Votes yes. The minutes are approved. Uh there are no resolutions to memorialize.

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This brings us to our applications. Our first application tonight is ordinance 16 sorry 151542. An ordinance of the township of Little Falls amending a downtown redevelopment plan pursuant to the township's adopted

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fourth round housing element and fair share plan as permitted by the local redevelopment and housing law and JSA 4012 SEQ. The ordinance was referred by the mayor and council to the planning board

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for a consistency determination with the little falls township master plan. Any comments? What you're about to do before this board is going to be the truth behold truth and other >> I do. Okay. Um thank you chairman, members of

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the board. Uh we have a very simple uh ordinance amendment this evening. It's a an amendment to the downtown redevelopment plan. It's one of the hopefully final cleanup items to address the township's fourth round housing obligation. This is one of the

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recommendations that was made in the housing element and fair share plan that was adopted by the board. And this ordinance simply institutes a maximum residential density for the subdist B and subdistrict C portions of the

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redevelopment plan which permit multif family residential developments. Right now the plan is silent. So theoretically there is no cap on the permitted residential density but as part of the housing plan we indicated that we would institute one. So that um limit would be

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50 units per acre which is consistent with the projects that have been approved elsewhere within the plan area by the board some of which are under construction right now. So it's really just the cleanup item uh consistent with the housing element and fair share plan as I said which is an element of the

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master plan. So, um, absolutely consistent with the township's master plan and designed to move that forward. >> Thank you very much. Any questions for the board? >> May I have a motion?

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>> We'll make the motion. >> We have a motion. May I have a second? Yes, that was exactly what Mr. Barry was saying. >> Do I have a second? May I have a second, please? >> Second. >> Please pull the board.

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>> Mr. Barry, >> yes. >> Mr. Sber, >> yes. >> Mr. Post, >> yes. >> Councilman Scova, >> yes. >> Dr. Aby, >> yes. >> Mr. Dolan, >> yes. >> Mr. Ordin ordinance is consistent with the master plan. Um, first application or second

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application tonight is North Brook Developers LLC, 180 Francisco Avenue. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. entering my appearance on behalf of North Brook Developers. Uh John Vetery, three University Plaza,

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Sweet 207, Hackin Sack, New Jersey. Uh North Brook Developer is the contract purchaser. We've submitted an owner's consent form from the estate of Thomas Murphy. The estate is the actual owner of the property. Uh Mr. Brigliodoros reviewed our notice and before I just

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want to confirm that the notice was acceptable. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Brigadoro. So, tonight's application, we have a minor subdivision proposed with property at 180 Francisco. Luckily for the board, I don't have a long history of this property. There's a

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a home there. Actually, two structures that are located on the property. According to the tax records, they were built in 1950 with perhaps a small addition to the detach garage to add like a little bit of a like a wreck room or a tool room. So, there there are two detached properties that are located

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there. The lot is significantly oversized for the R1A zone. R1A is 15,000 square ft and this lot is well in access of that. In fact, even as subdivided, the lots are nearly 18,000 square feet, almost 3,000 square ft as

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subdivided. So, it's a bit of an anomaly in the area, there are larger lots and uh you know, we're going to put on some testimony this evening to show. Let's take a look at the neighborhood and look at the variance that we're seeking. So, we have one single variance that might lot. So, it's 145 ft lot right now and

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we're seeking a minor subdivision with no other variances, no other setbacks. In fact, we'll go over the variances uh but or the the chart of what would be variances and concurring Mr. Mar's report that we submitted before that just about every criteria is not only

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exceeded but well exceeded for the R1A zone with the exception of the lock and we're not taking that lightly and we're going to put the testimony on to show that this fits into the neighborhood. Um just a a point of housekeeping. We did receive a letter that I submitted to the

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board from the neighborhood Kaminsky. I advised him that I cannot read this letter aloud of that I would submit it which I did submit to Mr. T Maria and that it would become a part of the record. It was a letter support for the application. So this evening we have uh two

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professionals who are going to testify. First professional is adoda. He's been for the board before. is going to testify in the area of architecture and describe the homes, describe the orientation on the lot, and also speak a little bit about the proposed sighting of the property. There's a 40-foot

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easement that many of you are familiar with. We've run across this on numerous applications for the Jersey City water line. In fact, some of the properties, including property at hand, were built on top of which it's not a very good thing, even though apparently it's it's

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very deep, but it's not a good practice to be building any structures, let alone a home. So that's one this application both homes are being taken outside of being built on a uh on a water treatment. Then our uh second is our second professional is Dave Santina who

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I think you guys know as well. Dave is going to testify in the area of uh engine. So with that said bring up Adam Loda. Adam sworn in. >> Yes, I do. >> Yes. Adam Lota, Lot Ta. My address is

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1355 East Susana Avenue, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. at school. Was it important to speak to the board? >> Yes. Uh was graduated from NG back in 2012. Uh subsequently was licensed first in the state of New Jersey in 2018.

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Subsequently have licensed in three other states. So four states in total and all four are in >> accepted. Welcome back. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Okay. Great. Michael

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That's a coverage. But we did it 117. Okay. I think she So there's Wonderful. Right.

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We have here upside. So we did our best. So typically Thank you. Absolutely love. Sorry. The applicant has actually changed the color. It shows much darker. The

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applicant has changed the color of the ranch house to be much blacker. Yeah. because they all have an application That see Brother.

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size. Thanks, Adam. Uh, no further questions of the AR. >> Just I have a quick question. So, the first home we showed, how many bedrooms was that? How many bedrooms was the first home we showed? >> Where's the second bedroom? I can't find

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it on this. I see the master. I see the family room. I see dining room. Okay. >> This is the house on the left. Any other question for the board? Thank you.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Our professional have a question. >> Yes. Um, just along the the lines of the the question about the bedroom is you've got the the upper floor labeled as unfinished attic. Is that going to be I mean is if somebody wanted to make

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additional living space up there another bedroom bathroom is there going to be clear ceiling height to accommodate that or is it tr truly attic space? Okay. So may may I ask why you're not building

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that out as a second floor? Okay. >> And M the candid answer is that all is show as well. >> Okay. >> This is given has been custom looked at her. G she has a new baby uh infant and

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that was why this was not way but giving the flexibility in the future for a larger family to finish that upper room and maybe transfer the office to another. >> Okay. Yeah. I just think >> unusual to see someone that want a a smaller house. I think it >> I think it's perfectly fine. I'm just

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thinking from a standpoint of if we're tacking additions on in the perhaps near future if the architecture has planned to accommodate the growth in that space. >> Great. Thank you. Very well. Anyone else from the board have a question for the architect?

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>> Thank you. >> Do you want to open up for questions after >> after? >> Yes. Thank you. >> We're going to we're going to allow everybody to ask the questions of all the people who testify at the end. Yes. >> Well, it's certainly not our desire to

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give. >> Okay. >> You're having a whole conversation by yourself. We're going to call to order. >> No, I was not. Do not put words in my mouth, Mr. Brigator.

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>> I'm sorry. Did I take your >> We're going to hear from >> correct. Well, there's three witnesses. There's also the planner. >> Yeah. No, no problem, Mr. >> And you are correct, Mr. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, sir. Dr. I >> at present Frank A N T I N A 15 Sunset Drive Brenville, New Jersey and I am still a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and my license is still in

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and also immutable. accepted. We'll write the second How crazy. welcome and that will be right So well drive bring

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Dave. There's currently no order. Dear for so we're not seeking any varants at all zone permits 30 ft from your lot but describe the size of the right. So really when people look at it they

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really look at from her to the top right on the curve or where a curve would be there. Thanks number of points in here that I think we need to discuss in his technical comments. Again, I've

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discussed all of them. He has 12 items. First one is simple. We will if this board approves this provide a a plot plan for each lot in order to get a building permit. Certainly provide permeability testing. make sure the dry wells the land some

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dry wells he had asked that the drywall systems be moved all the way to the back after a site visit and after some subsequent conversations uh we indicated that we would move the drywall back we're not going to move it all the way to the back I don't think there's any

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reason for that and I think he agreed that moving it back somewhat be acceptable item number four there's a typo on my uh plans. They should move two drywalls, not three, should be two drywalls. That

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will move correctly. Item number five, I described some pump to present fund. Item number six, he asked for safe fencing along the top of that painting wall. Painting walls right on the property line uh with the neighbor and what we're planning to do instead of

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that would be put evergreens above that. That's not a a walking area significantly. We believe that evergreen means or pushes in that area to prevent anybody from there. Item number seven county issue asking

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for curves to be installed. I'm talking the county about that. I think they'll require concrete for them. And then the last five items are cleanup type things. We need to get say county

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planning board approval SC approval. there's any additional agreements to be entered into church city border comp uh add signature block and apparently the north arrow shown in the wrong direction of one of my plans that

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so we really take no exception to Mr. said that's really all I have just >> the water by 40 foot wide is going under a section of the uh deck. Can you explain that?

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>> Yeah. um for that. >> So we've had communication with Jersey City where they will permit a little bit for things like a patio paper, a set of stairs, a shed with the understanding that if it has to be moved, it's on the

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home. So if we submitted the plans to then >> Very good. Thank you. >> Any questions to the board? Chairman, I have a question. There are a number of trees on the property of that are going to be taken down. Could you

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point out on on the plan where those trees are located? and you'd be advised there's well there's three trees that we thought needs to be removed. one can remain one of the large trees and pull it home and uh two will two will go and then we'll coordinate

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with the Paul Shade Tree Commission uh to plant those uh within reason as many trees as that mind or seeds fail. >> Thank you. Any other questions? >> Go ahead.

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>> Um on here the applicant information it is I believe the developer that it's going to do all the work. So my question is are these two houses are they going to develop by the developers and they going to sell it or is it because you mentioned something about a family

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member or >> any additional questions? Any comments uh from our engineer? >> Yes. Um, in regards to the retaining wall, it's proposed about 5 ft off the property line along the property line.

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There is a mix of a wall, some other debris, a little unsightly as well. I was wonder have you had an opportunity to discuss with the joining property owner maybe the uh your proposed wall along the

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property line and cleaning up that area about Yes, I talked to the the owner about that. What we thought we would do is you like you keep the wall there's not getting control at least we'll probably talk

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about we'll just about that more like railroad >> any additional questions Uh just in regards to location of the uh dry wells, uh previously I'd requested to move them all the way to toward the rear. Um the intent is to just provide

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some usable yard area um in case any of the future owners want to put in a pool um play set. So, doesn't necessarily have to be moved all the way in the back, but you know, like may be beneficial for both properties to

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provide some space. >> You agree? >> Yes. >> Any other questions from the board? >> Uh, there was also a question about the sump pumps in the basement. Is there a reason they're not going to be tied into

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that drywell system? >> I try never tie sump pumps into drywall. Because what happens is you apply ground water or a wet condition where just keeps recycling keep sending the same water again >> even if you're going to move the drywall to the back of the property.

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>> Yeah. Unless the dry well is well below where where so I always try to make a separate system. >> Okay. >> Separate system meaning just discharge to surface. >> Yes. I >> But isn't isn't that just going to

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recycle? Oh surface. Oh. What this football said though is that we can make sure that put it someplace didn'tffect any. Yeah. The best place there a question about where the air conditioning unit's going to be. I'm

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assuming this is central air. I don't know where that is on here. What's that? So where where would that unit be out back on the side? And that unit would be uh uh covered by

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some type of planting. and our side exceed that there's enough room. >> Can you discuss the uh widths of some of the properties uh in the area? >> Thank you, David.

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Um I did have the opportunity to prepare a very rudimentary exhibit which um I had marked as A1 on I mark it as A2 mark the elevation it's A1 so A2 is nothing more than

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copy the tax >> okay I think I've had a number, but what what I attempted to do, and it's colorcoded, so you have to wait till everyone has it in their hand. That' be nice. >> But what I attempted to do is take a look at the surrounding area much like

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we do for the 200 foot list won't be noticed. We noticed everyone as part of this application to see where the block was laid. And I'm going to speak um a little bit about how we exceed all of the other requirements in this zone

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district in R1A. In this case um the one variance that we are seeking is for a lot width of 72 and a half whereas 100 is the requirement and one of the things that you look at what we're doing is in terms of how this will meld into

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the neighborhood will it be cohesive with the neighborhood is just to look at the neighborhood. So everything marked everything marked in pink. So we see not park road here uh running parallel of that is Francisco and perpendicular is

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uh Stephen place. So just about every single property on Stephen Place is um deficient. They're all essentially 75 foot lots and they're um many of they're deficient in lot area. They're deficient in lot death. They're they're deficient.

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um that subdivision was probably around the same time in the 50s as uh this prop this home that's here on 121. But in addition to that, even on where the locks are all equally as deep, they go back as deep as 250 ft deep, there are

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um two properties that are deficient, 175, one close to about 94. And then I was surprised by the amount of properties knocked that was um a development that had has larger robots, but because of the configuration of the

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street and some of the bans, you have uh 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 nine properties on Notch Park Road that are deficient. Some of them minorly deficient, but deficient nevertheless. And those lots are much

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more deficient as it relates to lot of deck. So, so we're left we're left with the property spirit very similar to um when we had the Ridge Road application at 21 and 25 Ridge Road. Um at the time at that time someone took a lot very similar to this and built a we all know

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the house built a giant fourcar garage. It expands the entire landing. It's 150 ft of frontage. It expanded the entire width of the property. And one of the things I want the public to understand is that we're not seeking a variance for any setup. So even if the board were to

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see fit to deny the application, someone could build a home plot that stretches out within almost sideyard and we are saying it's sideyard. Some could build a house right at so none of that. The only thing that we're asking the board for

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it's part of this minor subdivision is a variance as it relates to the lot widths. And I think what this exhibit shows, we had some narrative typed up as well, but pictures worth a thousand words. I don't think I'm going to submit the narrative because we see that there

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there are more than enough. Let's not call it a majority, but there's there's quite a few lots that are undersized just as it relates to the lot width. Forget I didn't mark all the other deficiencies. And when you look at this in terms of lots area and what our

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sideyards are and the backyard setback, like we're we're way I'm just going to highlight a couple of. So this lot's 30 almost 36,000 square ft. We need 15,000 in the lot. We have 17,876

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on lot 12.02, 7,83 on 123. Uh we need a depth of 150 ft. We exceed that by almost 100. 246.57 245.70. Sidey doors are compliant. The finish of

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rear yard will have to stay 35 road. We are 152.6 ft away and 141.8 ft. Building coverage. We have to stay under

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25%. We're only at 14.9 and 14.4 maximum coverage. You have to stay under 55 on the one lot only 20 side of the house 2800 square feet we're at 21.6 and the

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other home we're at 25.85 and likewise for our maximum height we're allowed 2 and a half stories 35 ft and we're beneath that on both of those. So this is not the story of we're going to cram two houses onto this lot and nothing is going to work. These lots

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work very nicely. We have a couple of examples elsewhere in the community with some new construction and those lots are only I think uh Bridge Road and story electric property those were I think 62 and a half ft. They had their own set of circumstances with them. This is um a

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much larger lot as it relates to lot. So in looking at um you know some of the planning justification I'll be very brief on this um you know I'm not looking at anything with respect to C1 because this is uh the lot is what it

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lot was created many years ago but you know if we look at positive and negative criteria the benefit of this application as I see it we have a house didn't make it for a while it's in disrepair only the house and the room on the side of the

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garage always made it look like a little carriage house or another house on the property. So visually I think if we if we look at this you know purpose um I if I got that right the project you know promotes a positive aesthetic for this neighborhood of two beautiful brand new

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home that comply with every single criteria exceed every single criteria except for one. It's uh providing something that our master plan calls for at the residents when they had the u meeting at the civic center asking the residents what they're looking for in town and the number one by far number

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one was single family housing this providing new single family housing in township that's quite desired uh promoting efficient land use does this promoting improvements with respect to drainage there's no drainage right on the site whatsoever you're going the

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it's going to be spend spending quite a bit of money to make significant improvements to the drainage. Uh with respect to detriments, I I can't see any detectively I don't see any detriment

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for anyone. it um you know I think based on the experience of what we do little new housing which is a rarity to find an opportunity singing a family housing and that's the that's the benefit so there

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is not client zoning intent for this area and I think it right is um not really being well utilized and something productive like this for two single family homes are permitted. It's a probed use of oil on

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its own. Um it would promote the purposes set forth create a very positive environment for this uh native. So I think those are um those are a lot of the planning aspects of uh of this

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particular respect to the lot with this is not for that area but we have dozens of properties right within this 200 foot area that are >> does that conclude your presentation? >> May I have a meeting to open up the meeting to the public? A motion to

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>> so moved. >> So I have a second. All those in favor? I >> I. >> All those opposed. Meeting is now open to the public. Anyone wishing to testify uh speak before the board,

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please come soon. Thank you, gentlemen. >> Absolutely. Yes. My name is Teresa Beazawitz. B O G U S C E W5 CZ. I live at 163 Francisco Avenue

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in Little Falls. Obviously have one question. My question is what is the requirement with division like to know that? and my state and it I've lived there since 1980.

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Love my neighborhood. Love my neighbors. I love the construction of the way this old homes are. You're welcome. >> Well, you had a question. requirement. That's the that's the

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decades from 25. We have the water going and it's absolutely nothing. >> Absolutely not. >> It's not going to happen. All I can say

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is right now that global I know I've lived there that law but I I understand. Francisco Avenue. So he wants and at first everybody was saying repair.

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Nobody's taking care of that. But that's not my backyard and it's only getting worse as the development has happened. If you want to keep your foot

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in my backyard, I had a foot that was getting the wall. C can we see what she's talking about because I'm I'm backwards here on this real quick and you can see it just on the other side

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and I think for the purpose of this immediately. They're not bad. Oh, Today But that's enough. the water. So,

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which is fine. account. So if you want Okay. How much The fear that it would be You're going to have a one bed that's going to be three bedroom. clarify.

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Yes. So, I believe the testimony I heard this evening, we have a big up the house. as they'll be a main bank. I think about it being a neighborhood. I mean dire circumstances need additional taxes

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and be involved in real estate and celebration building for about 40 years. See what I see here and maybe increase the value of those two lots. wants to create two lots to build two

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houses where in that area the station just is based on houses around that were built before any of us were built. not new construction, not improving the

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neighborhood, not just applying two announcements. So the situation is that nobody can buy that property. But the idea that two embassies into an area that that particular side

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of the street what it is we can't compare the block what has been done what's been done in history to this area. So we'll go into a movie event. So my next question be some

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we may be thinking about center use enough we can put in additional billions behind those houses that maybe maximize every square

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what's coming up is a great ideal for the senior citizens that's available but this particular uh legis I don't see neighbors they also will

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uh other than no disrespect they put nothing at le property at least going to get the chance to get 2% where you should Anyone else wishing to address the board?

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Andy Square. >> My last My first name is also here. My husband last name capital G5 G I A C O N O

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Francisco H L I D. Thank you. I'm going to address the board and sorry if I if I mispronounce your name I apologize. This is a matter of fairness,

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but it's also a matter of financial gain. And I moved in we moved in 19 my husband and I moved in uh 1030 1981 at the height of the interest rates 18% 19%. We

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chose Little Ps that my husband grew up in a sing his entire family. In fact, he was on a planning board in 1960s. The Swanson's who own 180 Francisco Avenue and the Nagels who own 182 could

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have submitted the same application. But we had respect, we had trust, we had sense of community and fairness before they left. They could have made a financial gain and brought it before the

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the appeal planning board. This is about us being able to maintain our sense of community. Like I said, we could have gone anywhere. We chose that area for the tranquility, for the sense of

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community, for the landscaping, but also anybody who doesn't say that about protecting your financial investment, which is your home, that is the biggest statement, would not be truthful. So here we're going to I hope and I

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believe with the word to do the right thing to be just with entirely agency. We still don't see each other every day. We don't go to each other, but we know we're there for each other. No matter if you're a president or not, vote. It doesn't matter. That is the sense of

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community that this town has. And maybe some leaders want to stray away from that. That would be a shame because that's what makes the little culture unique. the respect that we have for each other, the trust that we have for each other,

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cooperation, all those positive things and our property will be devalued. I we went out for that reason not to ask their parents out of respect for the roses at that time now the Nelson live there for a thief who are see I we know each

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other like I said we don't need to speak to each other every day we don't need to socialize with each other we know what they're doing and that's the reason why we went to preserve the integrity of the landscape but also to respect the

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investment everyone had in their profit. And here we're going to benefit one person. Person who's asking for the variance agreed to monetary gains. What about the rest of the community? And everybody was going to bring the

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hardships of other people in the height of the real estate. We could have sold. My daughters wanted us to sell. I have a 45 year old and a 42 year old. They grew up in this town. We chose not to. We chose to say that even though it has caused somewhat

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financial hardship at times, but we love our community. We love our area. We know who lives there. And even people who move in, they are looking for I believe that they're looking for the same sex. That's quite

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so the valuation at the heart as like I said the valuation of property will be we put two grand castles and not them abiding by the variance that exists now. So I ask to be just to evaluate

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everything and to think for one person to have financial gain the rest of us would be hurt in a very tangible way and Mr. You're getting paid a little bit. You're doing your job, but you don't live in

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that community. So, and for you, I find it uncessional for you to say and refer to our community as such. >> Francisco. No, but the way you expressed yourself about that community and that

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>> you said it was you know the family which we care very much about lives there. So that's an in point. >> No. >> Oh, now you're 183. If you if you made

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it your >> fine paid. >> No, you're not making a case. Well, that's your facts. The facts are your lot is your 9,000.

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>> I did not move 1989. I'm so proud. fragmentation 75 by 120. know except he said as president as a lawyer you should know once you allow this variance

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to go other variances will come even and for you to bring up a situation that was done by other planning boards and at that time what the planning for felt deemed at that time you're being unfair

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just by that. It doesn't have a basis because we knew where we were going. We were we were we were told what is it that we were buying. You have a lot of ifs a lot of hypo hypotheticals that once oh the other can be fixed and it

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can go to two three. So in essence you need permits for that. Like I said we went off in a it was a we went out. So for you to come here and minimize our community and our investment so that you can get your varies for your for your uh

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like I said but don't please do not confuse the fact right now two I moved in 1989 and I live in 189 which yes I'm sorry I need to

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like you >> yeah no you were That's another >> square. >> My name is Beth Nelson. Nel S O N. I live at 187 Francisco. So you mentioned a couple of times that you only ask people, but as far as I

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understood what was the water table prevents building on the majority of the last section of property. Why don't we all they're not asking for variance.

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Okay. >> Can I finish my question? >> Because I'm trying to understand if if there's a a preventative issue here that prevents building on middle of the properties and how is how are these two

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bigger structures not encroaching on a portion of the land that is not usable for building. That's number one. And number two, I understand that the lot sizes of these properties are

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bigger than what they see. Okay. Except the issue that I see as neighbor directly across the street um corner property. The lot size of the two that this

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property is sandwiched in between are both oversized properties. So we've got a giant house on the east side giant hub on the left side and then much more condensed smaller structures

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sandwiched in. But while I understand that overall the law by the proposed subdivisions are larger than they need, it doesn't fit between the two currently structures

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and it just doesn't address the issue that I maybe don't understand about that. This thing ability We're not saying Wow. Yeah, sure.

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in fact. >> Can we just have one person speak at a time? Those was not being lost that money and they

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I believe on house the other side. Well, you go and build house. That was

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the onlybody area for purposes. This one um you're not if you want to make another comment, you can come up. I did not mention anything about the lot size of my house. I am not in between or

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next door to this proposed construction. I understand that my lot is not as large as the two neighbors. That's why I didn't bring it up. So, I appreciate the content stats, but that is not in my

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opinion. The two touching properties are oversized lots. >> Thank you for your comment and thank you for your response. Come on up. Please tell us your name.

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>> My name is Dawn Castro. C A S T R O 13 Notch Park Road. Um I think I am everyone we are everyone's newest neighbor. We moved in November 2024.

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So, um I think it's beautiful how long everyone has lived here. I have two quick questions and quite a few statements which I will try to be mindful of time. Um I have never been to a planning board meeting so I read where

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it said any interested party may appear at the hearing. Um what I don't understand is is this more of the decision is done and approved and this is more of just a question and answer to kind of help us

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come to terms with what's happening or is this decision not made yet about the varantsation has not been reset public comments from the public question. >> Okay. >> All of that information.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Something else. >> Okay. So then I think one thing I was unsure about with picture of the houses is they are like pad corner is that is that the way they're going to be on the lot

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or are they going straight on >> and that okay >> okay so I think my concern concerns and are probably because I am the neighbor

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directly behind 180, my family and I. So I know when we first moved to town, I had within two weeks period four random people that I never met before come and

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say, "Be careful. This whole area has a flooding issue. This is what your previous neighbor did for the flooding issue. This is what this house did. This is what this house did. That's what they do. And that's what they do. You have to just be careful with flooding. So, I

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think when I saw that we were going to turn one lot into two, that was a big big concern for us as far as flooding. Um, I think the reasons that, you know, to keep it to not bring my personal

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opinions into it is I'm concerned that if you approve this one variance for 72 ft instead of 100, it's going to set a precedent for it to keep happening. And just even just to pause on that for a

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second and talk specifically about this particular great knock section of Little Falls, it is very out of character step really just a note. You don't quite see it. So the areas that you do see these

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two houses would look goofy and they would be on tighter footprint like the architect said. So, it would be very out of character. I think a lot of these neighbors have pride for their house, for their layout, for their land, for

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their character, for their section. I'm new here. This is my was my dream to live in Little Falls, but I don't I don't I don't have the home that they have, but I get it. So, to just approve it, it would set a precedent that really

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wouldn't fit. I'm also concerned about um I'm concerned about property value. I think everybody has said that why can't you just build one big house instead of two and and I think it was said this is going to be a multigenerational house.

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Um it one large house can be built to be a multi-generational house and if currently right now it's a multigenerational house one day it might not be. Those people might sell and then you get two different people and it really is going to bring down the property value. I think Francisco,

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everybody flies down that street. It just lends to it. The hill just takes you and now you have two houses, two extra driveways, two families with kids, more deer that I might hit. It is just a

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disaster and it's just better if you redesign the plan to stay as intended. So, I think there are a lot of traffic and safety concerns. Um, drainage and environmental. I just I like I I I'm

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nervous I'm going to go underwater cuz now what if these people want to put in pools and the water just carries there a lot. So, that's a huge issue. I understand the dry well. I don't understand all of that too much, but I'm just concerned about flooding. I think

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my biggest most personal concern is I left two towns because my kids were in trailers for music and art and I left Nutley and I left Bloomfield and I miss my neighbors there and I miss that town. I came here for privacy. I came here so

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that I can look at greenery and I sit at that backyard and I look at that house, my cup of coffee, and I look with my back to my house and I just look at that yard and I say, "I can't believe I live where I always dreamed." And to stick

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two houses on one lot doesn't have to be, but money can still be made for improvement, which is great. Now, if you start this precedent with two houses, you're going to get trailers in Little

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Falls. I don't want that for you guys. Like, there's so many towns that get a bad rap. So, you don't have to be a school district that has to add trailers just to accommodate all the new bills. Do you want that for your town? I really

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think that there's another way to accommodate this family that wants multigenerational living. And you don't have to subdivide. You still find opportunity for neighborhood improvement and growth and keep it with one lot that doesn't look goofy on its lighter

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footprint causes flooding issues and everything that everybody else said. That's just it. >> Okay. Save. Thank you. And I have a petition which is really 1,000

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of I have kids and work and I really couldn't door knock all day but >> anybody anybody that's building >> okay so >> thank you thank you for hearing me >> thank you anyone else wish to address

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the Sorry. >> Uh, first name is Wasim. Last name is Marsh A R H E D S H E D. Address is four Laurel Port Caldwell, New Jersey. I'm up here uh to speak on behalf of my

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father, Assar Rashid, who resides at 172 Francisco Avenue uh which is the adjacent house. I guess it would be to the west of the proposed uh subdivision and the other adjacent neighbor, Mr. Magic.

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Um, so over the past couple of weeks, uh, you know, we've gathered as a community, as neighbors, and to just talk about what's going on. Um, and I want to start off by Steve is one of the nicest guys I know in town. We have businesses in

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town. We love his family. John Better is a standup guy. And I hate to even be up here to go against what's happening when I know so many people up here just, you know, having businesses in town. My father's been in the house since 1989 and Little Falls means a lot to us and

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to see what's going on with this proposed plan. Uh I think the biggest thing for me is setting the precedent and going back to before I moved out of Little Falls. My father wanted to subdivide his house because he wanted me to live next door. I said, "Dad, we can't do that. We're not going to do

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this to the neighbors. We have the I think 185 frontage uh I'm sorry, width on the property." And um that was my father's dream to subdivide maybe three times, but we would never do that to the neighborhood. Uh >> we've been there a long time.

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>> We want to preserve the neighborhood, especially that side of town that we have so much pride in. And >> we're all for all the developments in town and progress that we've made. And I still say we because I feel like Little Falls is still a part of my identity,

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born and raised, and having my business in town as well. So, um I hope that the the town the board just takes into consideration the precedent that this could set for a very residential protected residential area. Um and just

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take that into consideration and with all my neighbors concerns with the water and just the the conforming of the the buildout, I don't believe it conforms with um the rest of the neighborhood. And once again, I hate to even be out there to go amongst my friends, but I

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also want to preserve, but you know, my dad moved to town for it and most other neighbors and great friends. So hopefully you guys take that into consideration and we're done. That's all I can say. >> Thank you.

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Question W A S S E M as anyone else wishing to address the board. >> We did it. Who's gonna do? >> I'm gonna do the talking, but Bill 232 Longville Roads

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down this house. Um, sort of doesn't fit into the neighborhood on the side of the street. The Two properties are set back twice the distance as the two houses on either side are both

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so 75t wide on the west side the other one's about 100 and these two very small hidden there very tight close to the street I don't think he cites things on streets

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The lots are small but it's not adjacent properties too big space. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else wishing to address the board?

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Yes. Steven PH is a boy. O G U S Z E W I C Z and I'm also 163.6.

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Now I had asked a question but I was not voting. show you the sump pump is going to be pumping the water from this space to the stream will close. I think he's waiting for a response.

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Come on. You want to just I don't just put I've been in Nash Park 30 years. brothers, neighbor 15 minutes.

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So this is my mind so much in this is just I'm sure Just return to work.

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So I have less than God stop who really has to stop me all of every taken away. Nobody thought that on their

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no. Yes. Roy Castro, CRO, >> 18 Park Road. So on the property directly behind, I did have a question about the drywall. So, how big are they? How much water can they go?

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So like how many gallons are that you know like what how much >> it's 10,000 gallons. So that's just under I think my pool is like 18,000 gallons. That's basically a whole pool. But then once that overflows, if you mentioned

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really bad storms, do you know how many inches of rain that is? You said what's the tiny amount? You know the storms that we've had recently been a lot more than that. So how much are you dealing with? How much time you said

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down the road today? learning better. So you're seeing one inch, >> right? of the smaller properties that are there now. >> You mean these that are being built?

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>> Well, there's only one home. It's one home in the garage. So, there's very smaller structures, right? They're they're very small compared to the two new ones. I mean, Right. But now we're getting two rooftop. Right. So then this leads to my

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next question about the impervious coverage on the lots. >> So you're allowed a lot to be covered by a certain percentage. Correct. So essentially what we're doing now is doubling, right? Each lot now is going to be able to >> right.

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If it was one home, you're allowed 25%. So now you're at 28 said 14. That's >> So that's 28, right? >> That's peral. >> Mhm. currently. Currently, but when it's

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subdivided, So you're building one house, you're allowed 25%. Right. If you're if the lot does not get subdivided, which we all hope doesn't, >> right? >> Right. So now on the one lot, you're lot 14.

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>> You're still allowed 20, >> but you're at 14. It still sounds like it doesn't, but okay. All right. I'm just worried about water coming back. When we moved in, like my wife said earlier, everyone told us the water rushed to our backyard. The

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previous owner did so much drainage in our yard that when we did put our pool in, we put so much more drainage in to make sure that it's controlled. And so, if all this when it does rain bad, if we have a lot of storms, it's going to come back again. Thank you.

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183. >> Thank you. >> Thank Thank you so much. Um, as you have said and the other gentlemen that you both architect that it's not

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double. In essence, it is though. You're talking if the variance says 100 ft and you're asking to build each home on 72.7 I'm excuse me 72.5 you're talking about a difference of 20

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now uh 26 let's say 46 feet per house but you're comparing what was there we came when we went to purchase those home we need to go to a buy it formed consent

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everything will exactly there. You can't promise that if they do the varian nothing, none of these problems that the concern, not even problems, they're concerns that are going to affect the value of our property, which

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is our greatest investment is not going to occur. For someone who's going to gain financially, they decide to move in one month, two months, they still none of us had the luxury of doing that. put in the balance or balance

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and I asked this is the main crux of this variant if it was allowed then why are you requesting a it's allowed you keep on saying no that it is allowed and then

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you spout you know soal facts that this house was built on on is built it sits on a certain footage the other one wasn't that we knew it We knew what we were buying here. You could put any hypotheticals into that. Oh well,

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there's once you get the variance, but you put in clauses where it says it will not flow in that street. It will not um overflow into 163 Francisco Avenue. It will not uh create

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harm to other people's property. I just ask of all of you if you were in our place wouldn't you would you want a variance of this nature and for your property to be devalued? I leave you with that.

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We love this town and like Terry said with graduates, we pay high taxes and we chose to stay here even though at times big harsh for my husband and I

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we made the decision hope that all of you just name for those of us who've been living there for quite some time that we love our community and not destroy the landscape of our Thank you.

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>> Well, thank you. Anyone else wishing to come up? Is there anyone else left? >> It will be. Yeah. >> Will be tonight. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then um once you make a final decision, would you choose to go to the state level?

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>> What happens in that? Does this get frozen or decision that feels agreed by this decision. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Anyone else want to approach the board? >> No one coming forward. I close the

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meeting to the public. Mr. wrap up remarks and um I know there's a lot of uh lot of concern a lot of debates and I I appreciate that and they archite them and control all the objectors here

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great but I just want everyone to recognize the public the board that What the six, seven, eight, very It's about very

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asset. very very All right. to the public. >> This is just a summary. This is typical, Mr. Veteran. No, I think that um in based upon the standards and the planning standards

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that we have uh we've shown that this is um justified for this board to grant the one variant that we're seeking on each lot and I hope that the board sees they can do that. I thank everyone including them to the public. Thank you. >> Well, I thank you. Uh well, that was

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would it be fair to say some of the neighbors may object? your your comments have all been heard. We thank you for them. We understand the uh sense of community because we're all

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part of that. This is a very small town. Neighbors know everybody else. An issue though in my opinion is what is a person allowed to do with their property? And that's something that has not been

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discussed which I found a little bit uh surprising because they have rights to this is all we were able to any discussion from the board any discussion any questions from the professionals

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comments Mr. Senator, >> please do. So the board is being asked to bring another subdivision by that exe one.

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He was Thank you. But also I do information history as well as all of the other Yeah, it was also stipulated that if the board approved this application that they would

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call shry permission that trees would have to be removed houses but they would still be ignored regularly makes that condition of approval that enough with the shield tree perform

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with a reasonable recommendation. The ground would be the property in the vicinity of the wall. >> Very well. Uh, may I have a motion? Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve the variance uh for lot with for

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the two pro two parcels uh as articulated by our board attorney. >> May I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Please pull. Any discussion? Please call the board. >> Mr. Barrett, >> yes. Mr.

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>> Sber, >> yes. >> No. Uh >> yes. No, >> yes. >> Jordan votes. Yes. Varian request is approved.

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Thank you everyone. Um before uh I'm going to call a recess. But before I call the recess, our coun our council council person has to be recused

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for the next application. I know one It's a lot of the July. >> Yeah. >> Ask if there's anything. >> Oh, yeah. I think we're up to here. Any board meeting of May

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>> 7th >> is recall back to order. You hear the application of Lala Developers LLC, 2011 East Main Street, 64 Long Hill Road, or better known as the former site of Walgreens.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh nice to see everyone tonight. uh John Veter on behalf of Lasala Developers and also Frank J. Lasala, owner of the properties at 2011 East Main Street. That's the former Walgreens and 64 Longville Road. That is the duplex house that's located

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to the east. Um Mr. Veteran, I'm sorry. I should have said this before. Um just to notify everyone, this meeting will end at 1000 p.m. which is the policy requirement. >> I'm cutting stuff out. I'm editing as we speak. So, I'm going to make this very

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brief. Um, so the, um, the property that we're here on, everyone knows this property, former Walgreens, built as Shopright of Little Falls, uh, was Vital Life for many years. Uh, Lala's dad purchased the property from the people that owned and operated in Vital Life.

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happened in fact in the very very early 90s and came before this board to get approval to uh enlarge the building to put a drive-thru to um uh add some additional parking at the time. Um Vital

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Life went away came in and after Wraid was Walgreens and you see what's happening with the drug fair uh well not drug fair but with all the drugstores there's massive consolidation. seeing it all over the place that they're reduced their footprint. Walgreens made the

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decision to stay in Little Falls. Nobody thinks it's Woodland Park. They're they're in Little Falls in the new location and they vacated the property. They've been vacated for many many many years. Property uh stood vacant and a couple of proposals were put together.

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Mr. Salah with a veteran retail guy, not necessarily um residential, although has experience with residential projects as well, and evaluated the site for what he thought was conforming with the B1 zone. But two family houses in the B1 zone.

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When the Lales bought this property, it was in the B1 zone. Permitted, drugstores, stores, uh retail uses, banks, lots of uses that we see in the B1 zone. Um back in I think 2016 as part of the um affordable

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housing plan that was put together uh the township uh came up with this plan which is a MFS zone they call it multifamily senior zone. It's a it looks like a rather hastefully worded ordinance. Uh it's kind of short and

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sweet and um it speaks to uh senior housing but only for a limited portion uh of the site. So I think as of right he would be able to only build 10 senior units. The the site

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thing to be in senior unit we've had a couple of proposals that we looked at some of which for town houses some multif family maybe a mixeduse building. Looking at the area, it's not a particularly good retail site. There's no traffic light at Browardtown Road that was abandoned. Looked at potential

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for, you know, town houses on the site. Town houses don't reconcile well with senior housing. Lots of stairs like we see at Paulo Avenue, like we see at Autumn Point and move the Summit in Cedar Grove. Lots of stairs uh unless you have the room for first floor masters and that just didn't work as

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well. uh in communicating with the town came up with a plan for this site to encompass a senior building which is now going to be um proposed as the first senior building. There was a senior building that was approved for this

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board um at 453 Main Street which was the Marvanda project. Fortunately because of some DBP regul project but larger than this but because of the inland flood management act that site had no dry access the entire that plan was completely terminated it's

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unfortunate but this is a wonderful all senior building that's being proposed uh I've submitted the elevation it's a lovely elevation and contains a proposal of 42 um units 42 senior units and senior um

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is 55 and old. So, it's really active adult. It's not assisted. It's not memory care. It's not a nursing home where there'll be, you know, ambulances servicing this uh this building. It's an active adult community that we've seen in lots of communities. It's something that a lot of towns like in that there's

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no issue school doesn't generate school kids. a very high-end gradable and the building that's proposed is very visibly attractive building to that area and it it represents a very good transition up the street as we go into our R1A

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residential R1A zone great nut. The peculiarity of this is that when the MFS zone was um created, they were specific as to the lots Walgreens the I it's the Jankerellis. I thought

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the four family next door to the west cityed that area for whatever reason. I think it was just an error. So two family to the east that Mr. Lfala owns the duplex. They kept in the B1. So if someone

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wanted to, you could build a store there with uh you know offices or a bank or something that really doesn't articulate well at all with the neighbor. So when Mr. Lala acquired that two family, uh attempts were made because the questions

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always asked, did you make any efforts to try to make this lot fully compliant by offering both of those other property owners? And Mr. Rosala made tremendous efforts in doing that's what held this up for so long. Lots of uh lots of

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attempts to try to acquire those two properties to add this to add that to development. Unfortunately, at some point you have to stop and it's just not productive to have this building that's sitting there decaying is not productive for any not the neighbors, not for the town, not for the racial and certainly

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not for himself who's carrying this property. So, we arrived at a plan that I think works very nicely and you're going to see, you know, how we kind of have buffered it from the other side of the street and we've made substantial improvements as it relates to drainage

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landscaping aesthetics for this site. So, that's just an overview of what we're looking at, but we do have a D1 variance here because technically the property at 64 Longville Road requires that use variance. And that's why we're

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here before this board as a operating as a zoning board of adjustment and not tonight as a planning. So, our lineup this evening, we've got a a tremendous lineup of professionals here. The Appel Design Group has uh probably in North

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and not even just north Jersey North Jersey, Central New Jersey uh probably foremost experience for building these type of buildings and look at their uh website and it is you know all the finest multifamily senior buildings in

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uh design group. We have two architects that are with us this evening mic and Tony Moya. Um, uh, Tony is the point person who has worked on this, uh, tremendously, uh, and he'll be giving some testimony this evening, David Fantina, who I think you know. Um, we've

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also put together a traffic study that was submitted to the board and community impact uh, an environmental impact study. We have Connor Hughes from dynamic engineering and our professional planner is uh, Paul Riley. So, everyone can talk really fast. Maybe we can get

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through it all. So, with that, Mr. Chairman Shakes. So with that said, uh our first witness is Mick Merrick from the Appel Design Group to testify in the area of architecture. >> My name is Mik Marik. Mic mic m a t i k.

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Uh my business address is 23 real road in for park. I am licensed architect state of New Jersey. my life active and understanding and also I certifed by by

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the national council of architectural education board and I am a member of America department. >> Thank you very much. Uh with me is Conmoya who project and uh he will be able to address

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and question if needed. Uh the project is designed as a multi family with integrated part. Wow. All right. Sorry. to talk about recycling

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uh on the public chemical dumpster. wanted to have it somewhere close the design group very well that every cycle

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the garbage goes that's on wheels and then scheduled twice a week come and build it out rather than dumpster so it's in the building >> the requires uh property manager to be

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on site and all >> uh managers they don't have to be there all the time but like time super Yes. the amenity space that's uh located in the basement

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in story room uh farmland space that second floor that articulates with the that very large outdoor area. There's very nice views of mar that area. So they decided to take a

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unit out of that and make a dement. Can I stop here just Can you maybe pick that up and we're talking to the microphone? We have a lot of board members that aren't here tonight. They're going to have to listen and you won't be able to hear.

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I just wanted to add that all materials are collected for quality and low maintenance. Um the facade is divided into several vertical space and recesses

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um which have depend appearance. break up in smaller elements. >> John, is the microphone? >> Yeah, this is

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>> the microphone underneath there. >> Oh, >> we can't find it. >> The ground level ground level. Clearly the find way create that corner.

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But uh building something that >> uh I also just a little picture. Uh my professional opinion this is an

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example of strong well that would not only appropriate but also >> what do you have for ingress egress fire hens >> these are older people how do they

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uh two staircases. >> I'm sorry. >> Two staircases at the end of each leg of the building. >> Is there an elevator >> exiting?

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>> I'm sorry. He pointed out I missed that. >> Okay. I know we can't use an elevator during fire, but >> staircases. >> Any questions of the architect? >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, is is any signage proposed? Is that part

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of your purview? Dave is going to cover. Okay. >> Wasn't sure who was going to share that. Okay. Um the other question I have and may this may veer into Dave's as well. I had a a comment in my letter about the placement of some of the meters and

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potential conflicts with landscaping. Um it it's sort of a eitheror question. And I'm looking at um page seven uh comment 13. Look like there with some of the taller shrubs it looked like there may be trouble accessing the utility meters

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on the east side of the Yeah. So from an architectural standpoint Yeah. From an architectural standpoint, are the meter locations fixed or are they movable depending on what you need?

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Yeah. Okay. >> Well, I I think it's it's a combination of making sure you don't have conflicts with the landscaping. We want want them to be screened. That's appreciated. It just looked like some of the the selections might interfere with access for reading and maintenance and whatever.

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I didn't see the location of the gooseeneck leggings. >> No. >> And then um last question maybe more operational than architectural, but will there be any limitations on the use of the the porch, front porch areas or

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balconies on the building for for tenants? Any limitations on storage? Any limitations on use? >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Yeah. From from past experience, I think one of the most important considerations is a either a prohibition or a control

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on storage uh especially on those outdoor balcony areas. So, um you can consider how you'll approach that. Sorry, I'm updating my conditions. How would you how would you porch? What? >> Sorry.

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>> How would you make that condition? >> Well, I think that it would be ultimately it would be part of a lease agreement. You know, well, Mr. Brigladoro can consider the legal side of things from >> Okay. Are these are these are for sale

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units intended to be? Okay. If they are for sale, would the affordable units also be for sale? Okay. This isn't waver. Are you done?

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>> Any questions? Any uh architect? >> Yes, sure. >> Does the enclosed garage have mechanical ventilation? >> Right now it goes down as open garage >> with natural ventilation. We have

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openings on all sides of the park. Um I think we'll show the go up And the uh garage and all the

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residential units are fully sprinklered. Right. >> Any electrical charging in the garage? Not any question. We have outside the What is the height of the garage?

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Could an emergency vehicle get in there? >> I don't think there. >> All right. No, nowhere on the plans was I able to come up with the uh square footage of the units. Can you give us that

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information? nine nine onebedroom units are >> six >> square foot. So we have a we have a range of uh one bedroomedroom range from approximately 685 square.

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Uh then we have a 800 and 88 for one bet with 10 and the range for a two bed and two bed with 11 11 125 and

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chairman of our Yeah. very tiny writing. >> You're good. Well, you know, seniors uh sometimes you have single seats seniors living by themselves and that size would be fine.

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>> Thank you. Any other questions for the board? >> One question regarding the parking is going to answer that you >> who's going to address the parking >> now or later? No, I'm my question is about the number

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of the parties. Should I ask later? Yes, >> there are 23 that are part of building 42 service. >> Okay. Total of 77. >> Okay. Now we have 42 units. So that

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means if there are two people that's 84 people perhaps 84 cars and then if you have visitors then where they kind of spaces for liberty But well

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that max they would say that would be 1.8 for the one bedroom units and two for the two bedrooms. So we're we're in between what our sciest Uh, Mr. Barry.

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>> Yes, sir. >> Number nine on your report. >> 77 proposed bases, 12 EVs, etc. >> Yeah. Um, I I assume the engineering testimony will get into the electric

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vehicle charging requirements, but that's a a statewide mandate that's really out of anyone in this room's hands. So >> now spaces they have ready. Now we're

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getting the point where we can short what type of system are you about? No, the reason I asked because if it's right there unless it's some sort of card

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that's issued or something. Okay. Very good. >> All right. Thank you for your testimony. Thank you. understand 30 minutes. We swear

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>> I do. >> David Fina at present Frank Na 15 Sunset Drive New Jersey professional engineer. Thank you very much. I just want to thank our particular communication gentlemen

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very very >> he's been very helpful. As a matter of fact, I don't ordinarily start this way, but I may um show an example before I show the planet. Um I think it's relevant issues that Mr. One of it was the

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primary access and that maybe in that bike is maybe gave us opportunity for some just did not work as a result of the fact that the property 177 eastband

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they have east that allows them to access the property. They also park there and by having that meeting in the middle where there's a horse in back out go through our site come around and come back out to get these things

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eliminating it and having like a by doing that we've actually picked up green space in the front and the trees. >> Yeah. The embarrassing thing is I should have seen yesterday. >> So we are eliminating the uh

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>> the boulevard. I have about 10 problems about Europe. It's it's an exhibit. It's simply to quote the title exhibit for Marcus exhibit 81 that the exhibit um showed conditions

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to change some other information on them as well but basically it shows conditions change. They've taken out the the boulevard entrance as we just said. >> Anybody uh is our engineer fancy before they

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>> The engineer saw it maybe two hours ago. >> No, I No, that's that's okay. Mr. Kovalevar's forwarded it to me. I I I glanced at it. >> Okay. Uh but it takes out the boulevard. Uh and unfortunately and somewhat awkwardly north is now unless

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um add more green space between the building and the entrance. Um in addition to that what what the board will see and I'll just jump right into it. There's a couple of colored uh items on this drawing which may not be visible

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there. should be visible if you're close. Uh the green is the way a garbage truck would access the site. I think my check indicated just how the garb is going to be work and property manager will make it out that delivery area, but

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a garbage truck can can drive around the entire site. Um uh your town professionals were kind enough to not only send us the township ladder truck uh turning radius but

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discuss ins and outs about uh Johnson and the truck and showed us also exhibit Yeah, Mr. Maria also explained some of the ins and outs of that use of that truck which I was not familiar with but

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essentially um a fire truck but come in platform most important thing. So this exhibit among other things shows that um a garbage truck can get around the entire site and that fire truck can be blew

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out. And I'll just to complete the exhibit um the monument sign truly came from the architect's office is shown on the upper right in detail. The monument sign landscaping plan that we prepared plan

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has to be modified when the final um utility boxes locations are determined and that's absolutely correct. We'd also have to do some modification to it uh for that monument sign. We'll move some uh some bushes around and then Mr.

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Cobblar is also indicating correctly we have to show the uh sight triangle and make sure that there's no foliage that would be that >> is correct. That is correct. And um I'm jumping around a little bit here, but um your planner had a question

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that I said I was going to answer and just make sure that I knew what that was. Um the landscaping um I spoke to someone from Bell's office a couple times, reached out to uh Okay.

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What happened? ventilation in the building. So that that you're ventilating properly. So closing talking to a lot of the neighbors currently the cars

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that far very comfort but u you don't prefer not to put the fencing analysis or if you did like black

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such a beautiful cover that I don't think they say about them as well because the backing and then also

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there's a lot of activity going on back here. in the way of those back whose fence is outside your

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>> Yes, he's right up here. That's >> fence. I'll buy it now. >> It It says chain fence. >> You'll be getting You'll be getting rid of that fence. >> That's what I was rather. >> Yeah. So, so there's there's landscaping

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around but kind of made it comp whatever you want to call it, but it's kind of making it so that res I did say that the back is there is a variance for minimum

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standing also. just one individual space felt that that parking was important. Uh to answer your question, um we do have 77 spaces with 42 units. Um we're required by the board

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of 63 trying to get as many as possible. Obviously we need as many as possible because you know the question always comes up getting party someplace senior uh the senior uh development you don't expect

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large parties but there's really no other place to park there. Nobody's going to park on on the roads. It's not possible. So we're trying to get every part space on the site that we can statistically have 637 which we're not quite at

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the site I don't see. >> Oh, you're saying Oh, you're saying the space. >> I thought you said six foot wide parking space. Okay. >> Just one one note on that variance. The way it's written in the ordinance, it

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doesn't specify just parking spaces. It says parking or pavement. So, I would interpret that as the the drive aisles as well. So, it's pinched a little bit along the inside of the L where that drive aisle is. You're at 6 and 12 7 ft

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throughout that area. But, um just so clear on what what the ordinance is calling for, >> right? It the ordinance says parking or pavement. So to me that's parking spaces as well as the drive aisles that that serve them. So um in

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>> yeah learn your lesson >> right I I think I think I'm interpreting it as motor vehicle surface. So let's you know we'll operate under that assumption but it's it's a relatively minor bit of relief. >> The other particular about it is that we actually have

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at 1.58. So zero or one that's >> so do we meet the requirements for parking or not? We do according to the according to the township we exceed them. According to the RSIS, we are

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below them. And I understand myself that the RSIs has been uh revised very recently and I am uncertain as to what that means regarding but I understand well every other application has come

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before us. You refer to us I mean you refer to RSIS as a ruler if you will. So now now you're reversing that and says the town. So yeah. >> Yeah. I Mr. Chairman, I I noted in my

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report essentially what Mr. Veter just said, but the change that was made is the RSIS says these are the numbers that we've always used, but instead of saying every town has to require that as a minimum, we're saying no town can

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require more than that, but if towns choose to require less, they may do so. So, in this case, the the township has a one and a half space standard because I believe this is a senior project. That's that was the intent even though I wasn't here to draft it. Um,

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so that one and a half spaces is really what we're looking at. And my understanding of the way the RSIS was changed is that they don't have to seek any relief now. If they provided too much parking, they would actually have to seek that dimminimous exception. So,

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>> wow. >> Uh, is RSIS a uh is RSIS a 10 by 20 or 9 by 18? Does that mean you would no longer

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require variances Mr. Buro for 9 by8s in this >> in this zone? Very good. >> Okay. Um in the interest of time I I think I >> you can take your time. We're going to the next meeting.

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>> I was hoping to get myself and two other people done by 12 minutes. But I think at this point maybe I'll I'll run through the engineers letter. >> Um and as >> right >> we have and and and we've discussed this

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many many times. Um Mr. Kobars and I have been on the phone a number of times. It's been very helpful. Um so using Mr. Veter's Yeah, I I'm agree in agreement with everything that he's saying. Um

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the exhibit shows that we've we've modified the we are modifying and taking out the boulevard. We've added the templates discussed fencing. Um

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>> he had asked with the underground detention basin the pipe is going to be perforated. It is going to be perforated. We did soil testing. and he's right. The permit bill is so slow. It's it's less than optimal. Um and he had a couple of comments regarding that

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was item number 19. When we discussed it, it may be possible that that drywall underground system may get slightly larger. I have to provide more information on that. Don't worry about number 10 in regards to the desk room.

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>> Oh yes, number 10. Um he'd asked that a uh or suggested perhaps that a crosswalk divided across Main Street for town road. Um John, maybe you could discuss that. here.

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Plus, there is a crossing uh the high school as well, which is with a pedestrian button as well. So, it was more of a suggestion. There's a the press curb ramp

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and The other item in Mr. Mr. Kovar's letter that needs some discussion is item number 27. Um, lighting will be dosed dust the dawn. Pardon? Yeah, certainly. And the traffic

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engineer can discuss that, but obviously taking those curb cut sections. Uh the rest of his items I um I'm in complete agreement with making those changes. discuss 25 >> pavement. >> Yes, we'll we'll uh give them the

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>> you what? >> We we'll agree to a thicker pavement specification. Anything on here that I did not specifically discuss, I will agree to >> anybody keep track of everything he discussed because I didn't. The only the

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only thing I discussed the only items I did discuss were um item number 10 as we said well let me just say items item seven I provided on the exhibit. >> Yes.

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>> Item eight I provided on the exhibit. >> Yes. Item 10 we discussed and item 27 I just I described I answer that question >> saying yes there sometimes we have to uh verify its

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And that's all I have. >> Um, how are we getting uh how what are you doing with snow removal? >> Snow removal. Okay. Um, same thing we do always. If it's a small snowstorm, we think we're over parked.

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So, we think there's some room here where to move snow around. If you get large snowstorm or a snowstorm and then the next week another snowstorm, they're going to have to contract make snow off site somewhere. Okay. Can we discuss how we're going to mark parking station?

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That'll be under traffic. Oh, >> he's just done. Go back. Look at burn signal that Um, all right, John. Where are we?

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>> Mr. Barry has a question. >> Uh, two quick questions. Uh, number eight, oh, sorry, we touched I touched on the reserve parking. Uh, number 10 on my report had was a question about the illumination at the driveway. Um, can you verify that because the the the

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lighting levels were basically at zero, but there's a there's a street light nearby. Um, is it your opinion that there's adequate illumination there based on the street light? >> Yes, that is my opinion. Um, I can actually go out with a with a

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light to check that >> just just to verify that that you're satisfied and that Mr. Kovalars is satisfied that it's adequate for for safe pedestrian and uh vehicular access there. >> I I I certainly believe there is but I I can check that. >> Sure. Thank you. >> Add that to the

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reading. >> Yeah, that'd be great. And then uh number 12 I had a the transformer the ground mounted transformer and that may be subject to to change like our other utilities but um to the extent that we can locate that so that it's sort of inside of a landscaping buffer because

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the way it was shown now it was between the landscaping and the street and kind of just sitting out there. >> Yeah, we we can I spoke to the gentleman from Bell Design and um >> none of us know exactly where it's going to be, right? But locationally, but it

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was perhaps just location. >> Yeah, I think just just getting it as um you know to to a place where it's not so obvious um and where it's screened as much as can can be. So if you notice like

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bur they won't let me bury it box that's >> so let's let's say any any boxes utilities or otherwise we get uh get some landscaping incorporated to try to to shield them and blend them into the site. >> Yeah we'll certainly well any wherever

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those things end up there they'll be they'll be land agree to that. >> Any additional questions for Mr. to you. Okay, I'm going to pull an end. Um, but before I do that, uh,

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and it's probably good that we do it now, so you have until next month to reconsider some things. Um first of all one one of the duties of the uh one of the concerns of the planning board is protect all neighbors

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to minimize the uh effect that might have them visually or what have you. So we have and I was I was talking with our vice chairman. We we did this ordinance in 2017

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and we think that at that point we thought you'd be able to make the purchase of what is now the four family house next door and and we couldn't and that's a shame because it would have been so much bigger, so much finer.

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>> It's actually a narrow plot but yes it's not a very attractive building. It would have been nice if we dropped. >> Exactly. Um, so we ended up with an insufficient lot area, lot width, yard setback, distance between building and

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pavement. So you may have addressed that and buffer and it's only a few feet here and a few feet there, but it makes a difference. So I always like to see if the plan could be modified to bring it into compliance.

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>> Uh which in particular >> I I mean I we we physically can't like I can't bring I cannot bring lot area into compliance without acquiring other property. I can't bring lot width into compliance without acquiring other property. I >> no no no but you can small and set

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>> you can reduce the size >> but that would be talking about setbacks >> we can reduce the side >> that still will not help those variances like I can't like when they I agree with you when they created this first of all I think that when they created the zone

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that it was an omission that 64 longill road was not included doesn't make any sense to leave one property I I don't want to speak for your planner But I think our planner certainly agrees and I think your planner might as well have one property in the B1 zone. So you have a full residential neighborhood up the

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hill and then you have a new residential neighborhood and then you've left one property as a B1 zone. I think it's just an omission, but I I don't know that to be the case, but I'm guessing that that probably was an omission. Um but I don't think it would be fair to penalize the

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applicant to, you know, to try to apply. He he's tried for a two years to buy these other properties and it's not benefiting anyone like having a vacant building and having a two family that is not in good shape either um I don't think benefits anyone and that's why we

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tried when we looked at this plan we said you know what's a successful project in neighbor that point to think go back to 135 Stevens and we spent a lot of time with this board trying to determine how far back should we go remember it was like 9 ft of the road we wound up at

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So I said on this one, no variance. Well, except for the for the front porches, but no variance whatsoever. Now, we could eliminate the front porches. I think they add a lot to the look of the building. >> I'm more interested in the buffer, John. >> In the what?

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>> Buffer depth. Your six and a half shirt on buffer. >> So the buffer in the rear. So the front where? Yeah. So the front we where the porches are we're uh I guess four feet deficient. We need 25 we have 21. Um and

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but we've we've made up for it with like the the actual amount of green space that we've created on the site is I think commendable from the applicant. Also the density wise like our our density on the site as per the requirements. So we would be able to

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have under your code 47 units. So, we've cut back uh five units to make room for nice amenity space to make the outdoor area and um and that was I think a benefit of this application as well like reducing the density. >> Sound like a planner.

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>> Great planner here. I was trying to bring him in when I was >> if I understand if I understand you correctly, you are unwilling to make any modifications to the bill. >> I I mean we're we have the very cooperative applicant here. >> That's not what I'm hearing. >> I know. I don't know what change I I

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mean happy to hear suggestions from everyone. I don't know what change that I would be aside from we could eliminate the front porches and that would get rid of that merits. >> I like the front. They will cause issues because you know we don't want people drying

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>> heavily regulated porches. Uh but I think they they are nice and u you know a lot of the criticisms that we hear about multif family buildings that have gone up in this town and others is too close to the road, too close to the road, too close to the road. And I think this one we're not even taking credit for the rightway we have. We're going to

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have all new brand new sidewalks, large street trees in the front and we have a nice generous rightway as well. And then we're still 25 ft back and we buffered it by the canal. We're making lots of improvements there. But I think the improvements can be made by making some enhancements. I don't like none of the

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if if we make any reduction of the building it's not changing any bar it's not changing density it's not changing setback it wouldn't make any improvements unfortunately if the neighbors changed their mind and said hey we want to sell but I just don't think that that's happening and

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like I said again I don't think it's it's this has gone on this has been vacant for a very long time and it's an isol >> which means you're agreeing to do what >> uh >> nothing >> no we're agreeing to make we're we we I think the the application speaks for

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itself and it's the it's the result of a lot of dialogue back and forth with the community. Um we're willing to put more trees in. We're willing to take the recommendation uh Mr. Cobbar to put all brand new fencing in. We're willing to make uh lots of enhancements but brand

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new the entire front will have all new sidewalks. That's an enhance. Like we've made a lot of enhancements since this was submitted. Remember this was submitted a long while back and then modified and then >> totally changed. >> Yeah. But I mean lots of but that's you

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know changed for the better >> in my opinion. >> But change >> changed. Yeah. Less dense less units. Um I think you know all all senior that was a big change that you know frankly the applicant didn't love that. Um you know most developers don't want to have a

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fully age restrict. They rather have the flexibility to have a market rate. >> Okay. Okay. Well, you leave that for your planner. >> So, yeah, we're willing to make uh you know, >> well, take a look at it and see what you can do to improve it to maximize uh the

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site for a little >> a paper when you look at like, oh, there's a barrier for lot area. There's open area. >> I'm gonna I'm going to >> Yeah, you're shutting me off. Thank you. >> We're going to ask for a few conditions which I think you should discuss with uh

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you know the owners uh prior to the next meeting. Um we have an issue with uphill turn. We're going to have a bigger issue. So we would like to see a passing lane placed in front of the uh turn on to

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Broward Chang. So yeah, this has come up in the past and um we have no objection to that. So what you're saying is if I'm heading home road car static and when people are trying to make a left on Broward Town and saying that the township would like

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to have the ability for passing. We have no objection to granting an easement to the township. Frankly, the township could within their legal right to take the property if they were ever to do. >> So, you may have to avoid the cost. >> Well, that's a Yeah, I mean that

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>> which is why I'm saying you might want to suggest >> that's another Yeah, I mean, first of all, the county would have to weigh in on that if they would even agree. >> I understand >> they would agree to that. But we, you know, we can talk about that. Um, yeah, I mean, the biggest cost to something like that would probably be the moving

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of >> telephone pole. Yeah, that's it. You're we are on the same page, Mr. Veteran. >> I didn't say will you agree to it. I'm saying that would be the >> Well, you have 30 days. >> That would be the >> Anyway, um and and the next uh condition

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is that because this is such a great thing for Little Falls and senior citizens is is that Little Fall residents get first priority in leasing these apartments. I think I've seen it done before. I

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mean, there's a 60-day 90 >> with autumn point. >> Yeah, >> point had that in there. I don't think we have any objection to that. I mean, something simil It was pretty limited. I think you're right because the first 60 days it's open, whether it's for sale or for rent, the first 60 days. Now, I

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don't know how that dovetailed. I can see Mr. shaking. I don't know how that detailed. >> We'll just we'll say, you know, you can do whatever you want with the market rate units. The affordable units are going to be regulated by a higher power. So, um, >> well, that was one of the reasons for doing it because we can't control the

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affordable units. Most of those people will be out of town unless they've been on the list for 3 years or so. More. >> So, for the for the market rate units, >> if that's the request, I have no objection. I would just ask that the affordable be >> 60 days. >> That's fine. Whether it's rent or for

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sale, >> that's all. >> Okay. >> Um, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thanks everyone. I know it's a late night. Really appreciate it. Uh if we make just make the announcement that still that we can carry without need further notice

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>> to carry the meeting June what is it June 4th. Would you like to make that announcement? interesting that >> for all chairman if I may ask um do you think it's necessary that we need to

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bring the architect we're going to have Mr. Fantina come back. I think we've concluded on the architectural testimony. >> I think it would be okay that we not >> I would think it would be okay not to accept the public has not been able to question them. >> Yep. Sorry. Got you.

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>> Are there any members of the public here? Does that carry your >> No. >> Okay. >> Thanks a lot everyone. >> Uh also and so we'll conclude your presentation for this evening. Um but

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just uh not notice to everyone we will not be meeting in July because of the course of July being so close to our 250th anniversary. So there'll be no meeting in July. >> Thank you.

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Um any old business? Any new business? I have a motion for German. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor?