the public hearing of the his Littleton Historical Commission uh February 25th at 700 p.m. uh on a proposed demolition of the barn at 359 King Street. Uh do do you want Ryan to start? Okay, Ryan, why
don't you tell the public? We have about um eight people here that are about kind of how we get to where we're at right now. You wouldn't mind? >> Yeah, sure. Um so, um we we met who you are,
>> who you are, who are you? >> Oh, my name is Ryan Orur. I uh project manager. I work for MJ Catalo. I work for Joe Catalo who's standing there with you. Um I'm a project manager for him um
for this project hopefully. Um we uh so basically we met with um Dwight a couple months back uh in regards to uh 359 King Street. Um and and our our our goal is
to turn that that home the the home and barn into uh a condo unit. So, two separate units. Um, and we met with the historic commission. Um, their January meeting
uh and have been preparing to to for this public hearing since just, you know, get everything ready uh to to give explanations as to what what we would like to do and how we would like to do it, why it's necessary. Um, I believe
that there is a PowerPoint uh presentation. I'm not sure if that's um available. If you guys are seeing that, I don't have it up. I can't see it. It's not being shared. >> You want to share it? >> Do we know where it is? >> That was the email. That's the packet
you're talking about. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> So, where is it? >> It's in our email. >> Oh, I have to call up our email. >> Yeah. >> But then have to get it on to here. That's not your >> That's not my computer.
>> Maybe I can plug it right from here. >> Yeah, I brought my laptop, too. >> Are you able to >> Well, I can I can read it, you know, kind of where we're at and circulate this if the public and stuff.
>> So, so what Ryan did was go ahead, Ryan, and we'll just let let this get circulated. Um, >> all right. So, basically, I mean, the home is going to stay as is, other than
an interior remodel. Um, the barn we would like to propose to completely demo, start over with a new solid foundation. Um, we'd like to expand the floor heights in
there so that you have, you know, 8 foot ceiling heights on both the first and second floor. Um, and in order to to have proper egress egress windows on the second floor where the bedrooms are, we'd need to raise that roof height about 2 and 1/2 ft to
accomplish these goals. Um, and and as I mentioned before, we'd like to start with a solid foundation. the foundation that's there currently is is a rubble, you know, field stone foundation that is
starting to collapse um or implode uh underneath where the garage door is on the right side of the barn. Um and I we do have a letter in there from a uh structural engineer that uh made note of
the of what he's what he's seen there. Uh there's quite a few areas within that stone wall that you know it's it's 18inch cavities where the stones have moved and it's just big hollows within the within the wall. Um so it's really nothing that we can build directly off
of. So we're kind of hoping to start fresh, give it a nice look, very similar to what's there, what everyone's used to seeing, um but have it be more functional for a residential home.
Thanks, Ryan. So, let me just take you through what Ryan said. This is the existing conditions right here. This is a barn as you see it now. And Ryan and Dwight did have a structural engineer come through last week. The letter is in the very back of your packet. So, we're
talking about pulling this roof line up so that that roof line you can't you cannot walk up in this area and maintain the heights. So, this would be this new roof line. The barn would get torn down and it would get rebuilt. On Robinson
Road, we did a very similar situation where we took the barn down because it had no foundation underneath it. We took the roof off and we replace the roof back on a new structure. We can't do that in this application because
Dwight would have to have carpenters in there for two weeks trying to rebuild the frame just so we could pick the roof off. And there's no structural integrity of this farm. None of the beams match. They're not there's it's it's just an
unsafe condition. And when you go in the basement, as Ryan said, there's a lot of loose rubble. At Robinson Road, we had no foundation. So, we're able to take the barn down, save the beams out of it, which we would
do here as well. We would repurpose what we could with the beams that we could reuse with and repurpose within this new construction. So, this is new, that's old. Um, elevations look very very
similar. He's the architect um Elise Stone from Conquered. She's worked with us on a renovation in conquered. This this is our fourth historic renovation that we have done. We did one
in Westford, the one in on Robinson Road, we did one in Conquered, and this would be our fourth. So, we have good experience in doing this work. From a aesthetic standpoint, you're not going to see any significant changes
other than this roof line right here, but it looks like it fits better. The siding here would be board and batten. This would be recessed. This is the side as you drive in going into Dwight's property. This would be recessed. So you
would feel like that's a barn door there. That is um this elevation right here. That's existing condition. What how did we get here? I went to Henry Bontaine to pull a demo permit to
pull all of the drywall insulation and wiring plumbing out of this so we could get the architect in here and redesign the plans. In the packets, you see the plans of what she's come up with. Um, and she's done a great
job. Um, and it it it one unit is two bedrooms. Yeah. The Barnes 3. >> And the Barnes 3. Um, I've known my client for 30 years. He's very, very passionate about his
property. He wants to not only redo this, but he's going to re he's going to build two homes and renovate the present garage that's on his property. One will be for him and his wife because his wife um has MS, so she needs single
floor living. and he'll be creating a pasture in your backyard which will be u a beautiful visttor of uh we're working on plant material now for um pastoral birds uh food for the birds um and those
types of things. There's a plan that has been submitted uh might have been submitted yesterday. Uh no, I'm sorry. It's going into concomase planting. Um one phase a would be the restoration
along the wetlands along the right hand side of the property and the other planting would be along the Edel Road side of the property. and it's very very substantial. Um that would be public information for you all to look at once it's once it's submitted to the um
conservation commission next week. I'm sorry I keep saying next week. It has to be submitted next week in advance of the meeting that they're going to hold in March. He's a very passionate owner about his property. He's going to live there for
as long as the taxes don't rise. I hope But this is very exciting. The other thing that you all have to we all we all love historic pieces of property. No question about it. The hardest part of a of a
historic property is you cannot get it to meet energy codes of today's standards and those codes are getting more stringent. So the proper thing to do here, we're able to get the codes to
meet because we have good bones here. The bones are not very good here. So that's why we need to rebuild this. And when I say it'll be beautiful, it'll be beautiful when it's done. So we
would appreciate historic commission's consideration to let us take the barn down, rebuild it. Otherwise, my client, I think, may take a backseat and just wait and not do that. But that's his decision,
not our decision. But we've advised him that the right thing to do is to let us take the barn down. And we hope that you folks agree with us. >> Recording in progress. >> I like I'd like to just inject. So maybe cuz I live next door in the White House,
the Victorian, which if you all anybody who's lived here for any amount of time knows how much work I've put into that house. I've basically restored it. I didn't renovate it. I restored it. I want to do very much the same thing here. I understand
that my house and this house is kind of like a really nice gateway. And I hope the next one, Dave's house next door and every house along that street gets fixed up. And why did I buy it three years, four years ago? Because Richie was
moving and he was talking to developers and I and I saw what happened at Gruskowski's down the street and I'm like, I can't have that in my backyard. So, here I am now. My wife's health is
failing and I need to get into a onelevel house and I have land and I want to do a great job here. But and it's as Joe said, if we get
squashed, it's not a big deal. I'll start the back houses first and then next year then I'll come back and address this once the one year uh is over. So that's my story.
>> Can I ask uh why did you this is different from what you were telling orig you know last when we talked to you before uh you had talked about retaining the clabard uh
pattern on the barn. Now I see you going to this boarded batten kind of thing. Is there any any >> more interesting look. It's going to make you feel like it's more it looks more like a barn. Truthfully, I think that the elevation that exists today is
very boring. This is going to look more aesthetically pleasing with the big windows on it. And um I I just think it's a better use of the uh of the materials that are present now that are available now. We also kind of figured that um you know
it is two separate it will be two separate units now and and it will it will show as two separate units. >> All right. >> Yeah. It's not I mean I'm not necessar I mean I wasn't >> you just want to get in details. >> Yeah. I wasn't wanting to that's why
necessarily down you know deprecate it. I mean, in fact, historic preservationists sometimes say that when you're putting something new, you shouldn't try and make it look like what it used to be, uh, if it's really not what it used to be. So,
>> well, this is using similar materials. >> Pictures that we found from houses with attached barns from the 1800s that the barns were board and batten and houses had different >> Oh, it's it's certainly illegitimate.
I'm not, you know, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just asking you why you why you why you doing it that way. Thanks for the >> I think the other important consideration is whatever beams that we find in granite pieces within the barn when we do the demo work, we'll
repurpose those and save those as long as they meet the structural integrity that we need to use them. And it may very well be like we did at Robinson Road. we just might use them for accent points, um, staircase post, those types of things. So, um, and I I think we can
achieve a lot of that look. >> And just to reiterate, the house is will be preserved, actually preserved. Is that right? changing the roof line as Joe mentioned this right here because the ceiling the kitchen is here anybody
has driven by and the ceiling there is like 6'9 so that and the reason that's 6'9 is because this room up here is like 7'2 and you come up the stairs and you step up over here so by lifting this up we
can lift up the floor downstairs to close to eight and get close to eight up there. >> I mean, if you look at the facade, Linda, between the one and the existing and and the new one, the only thing that really changes is that roof line, but
pretty much we maintain the farmer's portion, the front, maintain the entryway, and so forth. So, it's not it's it's a very very subtle change. >> Do any other commissioners have questions or comments? I just want to So on the new mockup, the roof line does
drop down again before going out to the barn. Is that what I see right there? >> Right here. >> Right there. >> That's just a cricket. Uh that's just a cricket of the the roof. This this roof line is going to go in an a this way. The barn's going to go this way. And that's just that's just really keeping
the snow Andrew just kind of going, not not getting not getting up against the elevation here. Well, we all know about snow this week, don't we? >> We might. Yes. >> Well, last time was good because there
was so much wind that it blew most of it off. >> Uh, >> yeah. To my house. >> Now, I guess on the original the existing uh barn facade, that line of
windows just goes all the way across. Yes. as I see it, if I can, you know, way away, but as I see it in instead of that on this new the new one, you'd have two separate >> two breaks, two different two different
uh rooms there. There be >> there' be there'd be a wall. >> There' be a wall right here within the building. >> Nice symmetry. >> But we end up we end up adding a lot more light. Light's very important to Dwight. And the architect is really
really good about introducing as much light as possible. You notice the amount of light on that elevation. And look at it here. Um it's it really takes advantage of the I believe that's uh the western sky there, isn't it? >> Y.
>> Oh, right. The sunset. Amazing. >> It's for sale. So, may I ask um will the parking for these units beh in you know where the bunny bar they call it bunny barn the yellow barn and the house they'll be right in there. So,
>> is it where it's already paved? More or less. >> No paved. It's all dirt. But >> where the fish pond, if you ever been up there, there's a little fish pond, but right there. >> What happens to the bunny barn? >> That's going to get um
restored. And um I have plans to strip it of all the vinyl which is and make it look it's going to be like a barnaminium type deal where um you'll probably see a lot less light
coming out out back at night and it'll be nice. >> It'll be just um >> probably a one or a two bedroom. That's all that's going to be. >> Wow. Nice. Nice. >> What about the rest of the property? Are we not there yet?
>> Uh, no. So, next to the b the bunny barn is where I'll put my house, probably like a 2400 square foot single level house up on the hill, you know, where that picnic table is up there. >> It'll be up there. >> Okay. >> Overlooking the pasture and then
there'll be a probably another 2400 square foot house to the right of that. >> Okay. >> Wow. >> Nothing up the hill or >> Yeah. Nothing. You know where that dirt road is that I drive my tractor on? >> Yeah. >> Everything will be just on above that.
>> Gotcha. Before the brook. >> Yeah. Way before. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. At the top of the hill. >> Gotcha. >> Can we see plans for the plantings online? >> No. You okay want to see somebody? >> I'm excited about it. So that's
terrific. >> Yeah. The a lot of nice bird bushes. Hope they like birds. I I um plan I I have plans for a bird sanctuary myself on our property. So, um I'm all for
that. Are there any uh other comments or questions from the public? Alters or other people from the public here? Okay. Any further presentation? Is there a PowerPoint? >> You have it. I mean, Ryan kind of ran
through it. It's just >> the only thing that Andrew has right now, and I think it's the public has seen it, are the pictures that >> were taken when uh when Ryan and Dwight went through the property with his special engineer. >> Yeah, I try to share them on the screen,
but I can't share because when I log into the Zoom, I don't get the share button. >> I see. Okay. So, we're having technical difficulties with the PowerPoint. >> Yeah. Is this it? >> Yeah, this is this is >> this all of it or how much is there? >> Yes. >> Oh, there's quite a few.
>> And that whole property including the area in the back and so on. How will that be be owned? >> Uh well, the plan is to have it more of a HOA type of deal. So, these will be and I haven't even got there yet. I'm
going to talk to an attorney, but maybe you can talk about it since you've done it. >> Yes, it'll be very similar the way we handle 12 and 14 Robinson Road be a homeowners association and Dwight will be is considering some type of a conservation
restriction on the balance of his property for perpetuity. So, um so that so that um there'll be no future development on the back of the property. We have three acres, 2 and 1/2 acres up, well one and a half,
one and 3/4 up top and then there's five in the pasture and we're going to maintain the five in the pasture. >> Oh, that's fantastic. >> So, if anyone wants to see hard copies of the PowerPoint that we're not able to get up on the screen, this is this is it
in black and white. Thank you. So the in the existing uh house and barn there'll be two two dwelling units and they will be that'll be a condo. They'll
be all yes they'll be individual units. So um this this will be um this is the entry to this unit. No, I'm sorry, Dwight. They is this >> No, it's on the >> That is a That is the front door for for
that unit. Nobody ever uses it, >> right? >> So, there's an entry on the back. Yes, that's right. >> I think you guys have all the plans >> in in the in that I'm sorry. In the folder, there are house plans. It shows you the u the elevations, the floor
plans of uh both units. So, the entryway for the the house is in the front. The entryway for what is now the barn, which would be the second unit, is in the back. >> No, it's on the side right here. >> No, also right here. Right here. And that's the second means of egress right
there. Right. >> That's a one that's one means of egress which nobody really use unless you get in the mail. And then there's also another means of aggress on the back that'll enter into our mudroom. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And the parking is in the back. So the back will probably be used much more
frequently. >> Very nice. >> If anyone else wants to look at the plans, there's some plans over here. >> Yeah. You want Okay. Go that way. I don't know. I think they're there.
Everything all bump it out the back of the house to add some space, but we're not changing anything on the foot of the body. Anything you see from the street will dimensionally look the same. >> Dimensionally the same. Okay. Um,
do you know about timeline for work and completion and those sorts of things or >> this meeting goes tonight quick and frankly we uh get the green light from the historical commissioner will go get the uh complete permit and be underway as
soon as Mr. Fontaine grants the permit. So timeline is probably going to be >> Could you get this done next year? Woods County Euro type this year. You get it done before snowfall? Yes. >> Yeah. >> Wow.
>> Yeah. Robinson Road. We started that in January and we were in pretty good shape by Labor Day in the back and then we finished up the front by I think um that was November. So it was
about a 10 10 month build. >> Yeah. >> Oh. Any other comments or questions from anybody? >> Um, when you had your structural engineer come, did he only evaluate the barn or did he look at the house as
well? >> We never asked him to evaluate the house because we always intended on keeping the house. We never thought that that was going to be problematic, Andrew, to have to tear that down. That was never our intention at all. Well, the house is missing foundations. Like on the front
whole kitchen, there is no foundation, but we feel like we could get in, we can get access and get in there and pour whatever we need to without disturbing the house. >> So, when you uh with this barn, uh I
don't know if I saw Is there a basement? >> Yeah, there will be. There presently it's an unsafe basement, but there's a basement. There's a basement now, but it's not >> it's probably five and a half, six feet,
but it's it it slopes. It's it's not consistent. >> So, in the new structure, the plan would be to dig out a full height basement, >> correct? >> And you're going to put the utilities in the basement. >> Um, and slab. >> Yeah, there'll be it'll be Yes, there'll
be a p concrete slab. Um, one furnace may be in the attic, one may be in the basement. depends upon how the uh HVAC engineer designed that. But yes, certainly utilities in the basement. >> Are you concerned at all about the
connection between the or the new proposed new board concrete walls when they come around and they join into the existing house? >> We struggle with that. We we know we think we have a good plan. So we we we
had the same situation. And I apologize to keep repeating Robinson role, but we had the same problem there where we had to match wood concrete to Fieldstone foundation. It and and the same thing happened, Ryan. We had to saw cut part of the foundation and conquer right
where the retaining wall, the rock wall was and match the concrete to that as well. Correct. We lost Ryan. >> He's he's muted. >> Brian, you're muted. The barn is all field stone, loose field
stone, but where it ties back into the house. The house never had a foundation. The previous owner who was in the building drains dug out by hand >> the basement. So that you are tying into concrete.
>> Yes. Yes. >> And then where the other where the other right here >> where this field stone would tie into this house, Yeah. there is no foundation. So that's just going to go straight across and then at the end of
somewhere in here there is uh concrete. What'll happen is once we get into this um and we do the demo, Henry Fontaine will come back in and make an assessment on on latent conditions that we can't see. But we think we have a pretty good
idea on the plan of how we'll move forward with that. Okay. We think it it's an exciting project. Um I think it'll blend well with what White's existing home is, present home
is and his future plans and um just would appreciate a positive vote so we can get going. >> I actually think you want a negative vote. >> All right. A positive vote. >> A positive vote would be the the
commission feels that the structure is historically significant and worth preservation. >> You already voted on that >> that it wasn't >> it's historically but it's worth preservation. So if your vote does not pass, then you get a demolition. >> Okay.
>> That's what we're looking for. >> So I can promise you this. We will try to repurpose whatever we can on this historic barn and make sure that it lives on. Um we'll take the granite out. We'll if we don't use it in a landscape
wall, we may use it as a stepping stone or a entry tread or something like that. And um we have the means to do that. Have it all blend in together. >> Exciting. Any other comments or
questions before the uh commission votes? >> I was going to say, you want me to go through it really quickly? So, per chapter 65 rules, this is the required public hearing. At this point in time, the commission has to take a vote to
determine if the structure, which was previously voted as historically significant based on its age criteria uh alone, uh does meet qualifications and the fact that it was inventoried by our town. The commission will now vote
tonight if this historically significant structure should be preferentially preserved. If it is so voted, then the commission uh will have about 60 days to write a formal report uh to the building commissioner uh stating all of the
reasons why it should be preferentially preserved and give the homeowners an opportunity to react to that report and or make modifications if necessary. But it will begin a one-year waiting period which allows the owner to work with the
commission to find other possible solutions. If we take the vote and the vote does not pass, then tomorrow we notify the building commissioner that we do not feel the structure should be preferentially preserved, which case the building uh commissioner will have the
authorization to issue the demolition permit. Do I have a motion? >> Uh yeah. So uh I hereby move that uh the building which was previously found to be historically significant uh due to
age should be uh preferentially preserved. >> Do I have a second? >> I second it. So, just to reiterate what Andrew was trying to explain, a yes vote means that the barn would we would vote
that the barn would be preserved and could not be demolished now. There would be a 12 month waiting period. A no vote means that it could be demolished now and the plans that they presented could go forward.
So, are are all the commissioners clear on that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yes. So one other question I have and this was something that I had been thinking about before is can we do something to say we accepted
we we we don't require it to be preserved provided that the plans that the uh applicants have presented to us are carried are carried forward. I mean
that is they can they can proceed given what they said they're planning to do but if they sort of totally change their minds and and put up some other kind of building looks nothing like this that we
we don't agree to. >> Yeah. So currently under town law we uh or town code we cannot uh our vote is basically simple. It's a yes or no binary decision. However, uh I do feel
that we would be potentially evaluating this decision on the plans proposed and if the plans were to change dramatically, we would go to the town attorney and ask for injunctive relief basically dating that, you know, the
commission took a vote on a set of uh submissions that were then changed. If if the property had a historic preservation uh restriction, we would have different authority. >> Yeah.
>> But it doesn't have one. So, we do not have that authority. >> And we're going to do what you said we're going to do. >> And we have a Yes, >> we have an opener here, right? I know. You keep telling me >> your dedicated. >> Um Okay. So is every
>> I mean the reason for that is I mean I >> I know I mean >> given what you've done with your house and given what Joe's done with his other projects, I really trust that you're going to do what you say you're going to do. And on those conditions, I I would
certainly vote to allow you to go forward and do what what you say you want to do. Unfortunately, we've seen in in several cases other people who said they're going to do something and then when we looked at what this isn't what we this isn't what they said they were
going to do. know I am voting on this based on you know experience with Joe with Joe and trusting him to do what he says he's going to do and experience with you because what you did with with your own house and you did a fabulous job with
that and I assume that you know you're going to do the same thing here so on that basis I would vote to allow you to go forward with it >> completely matter of procedure I You have to close your first, >> right?
>> Your first You can't vote yet. >> Just tell me. I think I think you got to go through your procedure and get it nailed. You can't You can't give us the approval yet. We love it, though. Keep going. >> Okay. So, uh, I'm going to start taking votes from the commission. Andrew,
>> I think I can. I mean, start debate on the motion, but the motion I'll take it. Yeah. So he's in the extra discussion period, right? So vote second discussion. He's in the discussion period which has to end and then we go
to the votes. >> So we're going to end the discussion period unless anyone else has comments or questions. >> Okay. So um taking votes. Andrew, >> I vote no. >> Rachel, >> no.
>> No. >> Donna, >> yes. Elizabeth, >> no. >> Uh Chris, >> no. >> Linda, no. That's everyone, right?
>> Okay. So, we have um six nos and one yes. And that uh allows the project to go forward with the demolition. >> Awesome. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Close your hearing. Close the public hearing.
>> Okay. So, we're done with the public hearing. >> You have to make a motion. >> Oh, do I Oh, do I have a motion that we close the public? >> I make a motion that uh we close the public hearing. >> I have a second. All >> in favor? >> I thank you all for closed.
>> Thanks, guys. >> Thank you. Nice to meet you. Take care. >> Thank you. >> Do you work now? >> Do you really? >> So, um >> good people. Very good people. You >> work with us? No, I used to do a lot of business with them.
>> I was cutting the grass. >> Thanks, Ryan. >> Thanks, Ryan. >> Thank you, guys. >> We bought it for that wasn't >> He's not He's not going. >> So, that's the town laptop and you No.
>> Yes. And we'll be happy to figure that out. No, next time what we have to do is bring the USB stick >> so that we can just >> Yeah. So we can just put the presentation on that laptop and then share it. But when I logged into Zoom
>> um I'm a participant, not a host. So they shut off the because it's the special >> USB. I did that last and then I forgot. Totally this time. >> Yeah, I know. >> Yeah. >> Okay. really appreciate your time.
>> I can tell you he'll do a great job. You don't have to worry about that. >> Well, we'd love to be involved. We have no authority, but uh I think we love as he loves he loves to give tours. >> Good. >> We're just going to make you all wear hard hat. >> Yes. No, that's um we'll leave we'll
leave those with you just so awesome. >> In case you'd like them. But thank you everyone. Okay. >> Can you get him? >> I told him that he >> put those back. you're not going to be unhappy but
>> yeah, >> but but you expressed an actual loophole. So, it's interesting because if the plans are not acceptable to commission >> and we say no, see the concept is that the homeowner keeps coming back with new
plans during the year to preserve, right? or to so we can actually vote to lift the restriction at any time. So the expectation is is that we finally get plans that are acceptable. >> Yeah. >> Either to preserve or to renovate. So
theoretically it implies that our approval of the plans are binding, right? But it doesn't actually say that they're >> Yeah. >> Is there any legal regular completely? >> Yeah. I think you'd go to the town.
>> Okay. Uh the historical commission uh just finished the public hearing. We are now resuming our regularly scheduled meeting of the historic of Littleton historical commission with other agenda items. Um, the next item I'm going to
take up is uh review and approval of the draft annual report of the historical commission for the two for the town's 2025 annual report. Um, I think all members have looked at it or
have gotten it and I've gotten comments back from some people. >> Um, are there any other comments on the annual report? I I sent a revised version out late this afternoon with photos that Andrew had sent. Thank you,
Andrew. And I incorporated Chris's edits. Thank you. >> Um, so if anyone else has edits or comments, let's discuss them. >> I just see Littleton, there's a comma in the first paragraph.
At least it's showing up. I don't know in the in the word do and somehow a comma got put in there. I think that O. >> Oh yeah, it's in the second to last line in the first paragraph. Was that there in the first? >> I don't think it must have.
>> Are you looking at the most recent one? >> Yeah, just I I just have the document pulled up on what you just sent out. >> Okay. >> I'm just going to open the file. >> It didn't have the It must have just, you know, it literally just hit the, you know, hit.
>> So, I'm sorry. Where are you? >> In the first paragraph, the the >> Oh, I see. Yes. Thank you. Anything else? >> Do the photos look okay that I added ones for the Patriots Day?
>> Any other comments? I think you're missing now. Oh, it's not that you're missing it. It's the formatting. The >> Yep. >> Where are you? >> The photo with the horseback rider. The speeches is kind of pushed over. >> I couldn't I couldn't figure out how to
move it. So, I'm going to have Lisa I'm going to ask Lisa to >> deal with that. >> Yeah, the caption. Oh. Oh, I don't know. I didn't know it was a touch screen. Oh, you ain't got a touch screen there. >> What do you want me to highlight? >> Just highlight this top one like this.
>> Yep. Just highlight that real quick. >> Oh, wait. But now >> maybe that's it. Hold on. >> Here. You do it. Unless you want >> I got you got a tab lock here. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's why it's >> that's why it's happening, >> I think. So
funky because you get these random tabs. >> All right. In any case, he's going to try to fix that formatting. Any other comments? >> Um, so there's a caption for the Tuttle House. It just says Tut House. It needs an L, >> but it doesn't
>> it doesn't print on or it doesn't look >> print out, but >> but it's on the one that you sent in the email. It was just missing it all. >> I don't know how you did this. >> All right, that's all right. I'm going to have Lisa fix that because I can't
fix that. But let me find this tuttle business that you're talking about. Hang on. Where's my wait? >> You don't even need to. >> I know, but I'm not used to it. So, hang on. >> How did I not know that? All right. >> I don't know. But
>> All right. So, now So, you're saying Oh, all right. Got it. Got the L. Anything else? the other captions. >> Oh, these ones it maybe
>> they're on like the next page. I think the formatting got messed up on it's a it's a dox but then it opens as a Google doc and I think it kind of got like >> a little funky. I >> think we're good now. >> Okay. All right. All right. So, uh if
there's no other comments, do do I have an approval from it? Do I have to take it each person or can I just say is it does every everybody approve it or does anyone else have any changes? Uh do I have a motion to approve these?
>> I make a motion we approve the annual town report. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Good. Okay. Next. Um, as on the agenda, we're going to
discuss potential CPC projects. Um, as I mentioned, the latest deadline would be March 13th, I believe. That's the Friday before the next CBC meeting. Would be good if we got them in before then, so everyone on the CBC could
review anything. Um, and there's a few suggestions and maybe you know Chris had another one and maybe there's others tonight. The easiest one perhaps to talk about first is if we want to
develop a preservation restriction for the tuttle house. I think we probably would want Shanti to help us write that. So if we, >> you know, that might be the easiest one if we decide yes, that's something we ought to do to vote on first.
>> A preservation restriction for the house >> for the title. >> Has something changed? >> Last time we talked about it, it owned by U. >> It's still owned by It's still owned. Oh, well, we he would have to agree to it. Yeah, he would have to agree to the president the new owner. >> He would have to initiate it. Yes.
>> Yeah. But we could suggest it, but you're right. We don't know if you would agree to it. So, we don't know if we need funds for Shanti until we have a yes on that. There's probably no hurry because they're not going to get to the
dealing with that for quite a while, I think. So, we could put that off because we don't know if the owner would agree. Um, >> yeah, it just seems >> based on Yeah, we don't have any basis
for getting a restriction on. That seems >> No, you're right. >> I think you're right. >> Well, based on how the topic came to the commission, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to agree to a historical deed. >> I have heard informally
fairly recently that he is planning to keep it on site. >> Good. >> But that's informal. It's not an official thing. >> Yeah. One of those maps that we saw, a fairly recent one, seemed like it did have it on the site right next to the
proposed hotel, >> the ones Chris had. I don't know where he got them, but yes, >> but I think after that there was discussion at the planning board that he wanted to or or elsewhere in town that he wanted to get it off site. The most recent thing I've heard, again, informally, is that he's going to keep
it on site, but we don't know that for sure. But I guess it it is a little premature to get CQC funds for a preservation objection. I agree. So never mind. >> We should be prepared to do it if if if
>> if the owner is is is building >> or passes through town ownership, >> right? So are you suggesting we do pursue funds for that at this point? >> Yeah. No, I think No, I think you're right. I think it's premature to go to go to something which >> right >> you know may not have any
>> right okay >> any any >> um >> the other one that seems fairly sort of straightforward is the historical markers if you recall we've had discussions about maybe getting two
concrete or granite uh new concrete or granite markers for the plaques to go on at parley lumber or the Grist Mill and at Nishoba um Indian um which what was that that one?
It's not >> Lea Kel Road. >> Yeah. What's um >> Oh, I have it. >> It's not in the show Indian I don't think is that >> that is that one. Okay. Because so the only thing to discuss first is we had
discussed maybe they're maybe they've sunk into the ground and we could just pull those that are there up. So do we wait until we just determine whether that's the case or do we put in
money for the CPC for two new granite markers now or concrete as the case may be. Chris does did come up with some uh a company that submitted estimates for granite and it didn't seem that terrible the price,
>> right? Um I had >> What was it? Uh >> so for uh if we'd want it probably six feet tall because you'd want to sink it in the ground two feet, four feet sticking out. Uh two feet wide and 4 in
thick would be about $700 for one. It's really much better than what we were told in the past, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Your estimates were so high. >> Absolutely. And we had to bring it, right? If they deliver it, that'd be awesome. >> Yeah. I'll have to check on that.
>> Yeah. But that might be extra. Who knows, >> right? >> So, I guess that's the question whether What's that? >> It's heavy. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if you ever like said, "Oh, I can just lift this piece of granite." No, it's heavy. >> We talked to DPW about I mean, that's
it's great. Like I I feel like in the past it's it's kind of been on us to install them. >> Yeah. >> That seems like a a bit of a daunting task to go down 2 feet, >> you know, not on us. >> Does that include like delivery install
or is that like that's another 700? >> I'm assuming delivery. It's basically like a step I think >> from what their catalog has. It's like you know how people put the granite steps in and it's just one of those. Uh, I think it's delivery probably to DPW
and then they put it on the back of a truck and get a mach machine there and plop it in the ground. I don't know. >> Yeah, I think they probably sell them to landscapers and the landscapers have skid steers that they use. >> Sure. >> Put them in curbs and the steps all
>> I guess I'm just This seems to be a conversation that we need to like engage DPW. >> Yeah, I think you're right. I I don't think this precludes us necessarily from putting in a CPC application. >> No, no. I just I I think Well, and it would be good to have that conversation
with them first if there's >> Yes. Yeah. We have a while. We could talk to them first. >> Or maybe they have a supplier cuz they buy curbstones, which is something you just thought like >> I bet DPW buys curb stones. >> Yep.
>> This would be like a giant curbstone >> again. >> Yes. But I think to your question of whether we should, the answer is yes. >> Okay. >> And I would double it. >> Meaning, >> well, so we have money for installation or delivery.
>> Uhhuh. >> Because it's not just the materials. If if they sell us a $700 piece of granite in New Hampshire, like it's there's just no way. We we're going to need to pay and have it delivered. And hopefully
we can get someone to install it. But if we can't do that, we need to cover the expense of >> Oh, probably to get hopefully we could get the DPW. >> I know, but we we should have first before we just >> And if they don't want to install it, then we would have to pay somebody to
>> the the beauty of budgeting is you always try to calculate your costs because if you underbudget, you cancel the project. You can't proceed, right? You you can't uh budget and then go over budget. However, you can budget and go
under budget. That's easy. And then you theoretically, you know, can use that extra budget for other projects. >> And that money would go back to the CPC if we didn't use it all. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> I was just thinking, what if you you're a little bit more broad? Are there other
stones and things or other monuments that you'd be doing? Like what if you ask for like $8,000 for the marker projects and just, you know, do an estimate so you don't have to keep coming back every year. >> We got to think about the attaching the signs to the granite, too. How do you do
that? >> The DPW is supposed to do that, I think, >> drilling for granite somehow. I'm not sure. >> Oh. Oh, >> have we done glue? >> We have done glues. We've done epoxy. >> Well, the DPW did that first new one >> into concrete.
>> Yeah. So, would it be a whole different thing for granite, do you think? >> I think the I think the quarantine one is granite. The one on hardwood. I'm pretty sure >> I think it is. >> Yeah, it is. >> Cement is a lot easier cuz you can just get a regular masonry bit and go right
in. >> You're going to need it. >> Granite hurts. >> So, you're saying Wait, so granite's harder to do? Harder? Yeah. Cement actually, as long as you don't hit rebar, it's actually very soft. And do we already have the plaques like
purchased made? Okay, so that's not >> We have the plaques. They're at the DPW except for one I have at my house. >> And I just need to confirm reconfirm with DPW that they're going to put the plaques on. But of course, we need to tell them if it's same markers in the
same positions or new markers in different places. So yeah. >> Yeah. on that one too. I don't know if anyone's looked at the one at the corner of of New Town and Michelle Road. >> That's the one we want a new one. >> Snow. >> So, if you have a nice big piece of
granite, is it going to get snapped off if we have a big snow? I don't know if you >> snapped off by a plow. >> Yeah. I mean, they just plowed that whole corner. >> Oh, >> it's probably >> another reason. Yeah. Talk to DPWs. >> Yeah. >> Maybe, you know, put it around the
corner or something. I don't know. But put it somewhere else. You're saying >> it would just pay for you to spend all that money >> piece of cement or granite and have it >> well the cement the cement will definitely snap but the unless it has rebar in it but they use granite curbs
for that purpose because the plows will it'll actually hold up to plows pretty well but you never know. >> Yeah, I'm I'm always puzzled about that. Why is it that on many streets, one side of the street is granite and the other
side is asphalt or something like that? >> I don't know. >> Do you have any idea about >> I know it's true in front of my house. >> Yeah. >> The the newer uh curbs tend to be asphalt. They actually call them Cape Cod curbstones.
Uh and u it has to do with the fact that the equipment makes them now. So the effort to put them in is so much easier because you just have a asphalt truck and you dump in all that and it literally forms it as it goes. >> Whereas to put in a granite, you
>> you actually have to dig it in and you put it in and put gran uh gravel and then you have to cement it in from the back >> and then you pave up to it on the front side. So the effort is significant much significantly higher than a asphalt curve, >> but they last way longer so it's worth
it in the long run. Yeah. So to Carolyn's comment, I mean, do we want to put in for more than two markers for a CPC application >> because that money will sit there. I
mean, we'll keep it around for two, three years, but so you you don't have to use it up all this year, >> right? >> The one the one that um I redid uh I forget what road that is. >> Oh, I did one. Yeah, you can barely see that one. Maybe we can, you know, move that one closer to the road so it's
visible. I don't know. >> Yeah, that's the um >> the the bridge. >> Yeah. Which which one? >> Porter bridge. >> Yeah, Porter Bridge. Per road bridge. >> Are there any that are still cement that we want? >> As many All of Almost all of them are cement. All of them. Basically,
>> you should say concrete. >> Concrete. Concrete. >> So, a lot of them don't look very nice. the concrete markers, they're old, old, old. And you're saying they don't hold up that well compared to granite. >> And the other thing is that most of them are very short and so you know, you
really can't see them cuz they're right. >> So it sounds like there is some agreement that we might want more than two markers. So should we put in for I think I mean the new plaques I think I have six new plaques. Should I put in
for six markers? $1,500 times six. >> Everyone think it's a good idea? >> Yeah. $9,000. >> Go over 10. >> Was that good point? Good point. So >> $9,99.
>> Yes, exactly. >> So 1,500 * 6 is below 10,000. Was that right? >> It's should be 9,000. >> All right. All right. So, >> but it's actually not just >> just like just 9,500. >> I was just going to say the reason I like it is you can actually trace it
back. Six blocks materials plus insulation is usually 2x, right? So, we'll just want to make it 1600. I don't know. >> We'll figure it out. >> Yeah. All right. >> Yes. I think we should. >> All right. So, everyone seems to be
agreeing. Um Chris and Andrew and I can write the uh application by at the latest March 13th. Right. That planning at the very latest, preferably sooner. >> Okay, good.
Um then Chris's idea for the signs. Um you want well before you go into your idea >> um as people have seen I think in the emails he's thinking of um promoting historical
preservation by house sign through house via house signs providing free house signs I didn't think and I conferred with Carolyn who's the chair of the CPC I don't think that qualifies for CPC funds and um this is good for people to
have anyway way. Um um sorry here. So I'm going to pass this around. This is a table of community preservation criteria. So it's good for
all of us to have this anyway. So there's a kiss you'll see for historic preservation and for some of the other categories for historic you either have to acquire a historic structure create uh preserve or preserve it. Those are
the two options for CPC funding. There is a support option but it's not for historic. There's a support option which you I think your project might fit under but that's not for historic. It's only for housing. >> Got it. So, it's good for you guys to
have. Anyway, >> um Carolyn, anything to add to that port part of it? >> No, I mean CPA is very gray, but this one >> pretty I mean, it's hard to say what's the difference between the house black
market, but this seems to be like a >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I don't think it was a cool idea. Yeah. >> I think I think a house a a a granite marker you're preserving a historic location, >> right?
>> Yep. >> Whereas a house sign, you're creating a house sign. >> Yep. >> So, you want to present Chris what your idea is? >> Um, it was just based based on dealing
with other towns. I've seen that uh a number of them just pay, you know, the residents don't have to pay for their own signs. It just comes out of I don't know what funding process it is, but um it was just an idea to potentially drum up some interest from town members and
sort of kickstart the program a little bit. But uh basically just maybe like five a year or 10 a year. you know, whoever who it's whoever comes, you know, first come, first serve, uh, who wants a free
sign, we would, uh, you know, do a little bit of, they could do the research on the house. If it qualifies, you can, you know, provide a sign for the houses with the town money and um, just garner some interest in it. That's basically my only thoughts.
>> Any thoughts, Jonathan, since you've been doing house signs for a while? I don't know. It might encourage more people to apply. I I really don't know about that. It seems like it's not I don't know. It's hard to tell since we
have always charged for them. We didn't used to charge very much. Now we're charging a bit more. Um, and I've sort of going to have to confess that I had fallen down on the job. You know, once we we lost our
previous provider, then I sort of somehow it it it fell out of my my my barely well, it just sort of fell out of my in my my concern of I stopped thinking about it
and I didn't do it. And so we have a few a couple of people who've asked for them and they've not got theirs. Uh but we were in that case we were charging them. Some towns seem to
the ones that I saw some towns did definitely charge for them. I mean you can look on you know you can go to town websites and see what the you know what the historical commission says about that. Um, I know in some
towns definitely they charge people to do it. In other towns, I didn't I haven't seen any where the town paid for them, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You've seen some where the town provides them. >> Chelms is the first one off the top of
my head, but yeah, if you go on the even on the website, it shows tf funded if you're interested. U there's a couple more, but I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll have to get back to you, >> but I again I don't know what that how
that's funded. I don't know. >> Oh, I would think in Littleton would most likely come out of our budget. >> Uhhuh. >> I don't I'm guessing we're not going to get funds, but we do have a budget. >> Yep. >> And assuming we're having it next year.
Um and we don't always use it. Well, you so that's possibility. >> Y >> other thoughts about this? >> Well, again, I think my biggest uh concern is just equity.
Uh so if we start to pay for the signs, then people who previously paid for the signs could be upset. you off like a raffle or something at like a Patriots Day event,
something to kind of like draw attention to the fact that it exists and then even if someone doesn't win that then they know that oh this is something I could do. >> It's an interesting idea. It could, but then that I mean in some ways that
that's almost more trouble than it's than it's worth unless somebody's eager to >> to go through the whole process. >> Um, >> yeah. I mean, I we we may be able to
uh use funds to offset the cost, right? Because that's applied equally. And then you're basically saying to people who bought them before, you know, well, you bought yours at $35 or whatever. Now they're 80 bucks. And
so that so we're paying 40. We're we're sort of trying to control the cost so that people have access, right? We're enabling access. >> So your funds were not >> sort of wasted. You know what I mean? Like it kind of >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
>> I don't think people are likely to, >> right? They may not know, right? They may not know that we just price fix on the back end. >> So, this isn't something we have to decide tonight. Continue to talk about it because it's not going to go through CBC, >> right?
>> So, I think >> replacement signs, I mean, Chris, this is kind of how you started, right? Was it the King Street one that >> the um replacement signs, >> you know, the ones that that have deteriorated? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. We've definitely replaced a lot of I mean, part of what I was doing when I was when I was doing this was actually giving people replacement signs. I mean, ones that had deteriorated in one way or another. And >> but I think what she's suggesting is we
can give free replacements. So you buy into the program and then you get the pre-replacement. >> That's actually a pretty decent like kind of hook of getting them in. >> Is that Rachel? >> Oh, that's a pretty good hook of getting them in. >> Yeah. >> Um, how are we telling people that their
is now eligible for signs? We actually >> Oh, now I don't know about it. >> It's on our website. >> It is. >> Yeah. But >> people don't look right. people don't want to ask >> some point or other we sent out a letter
to people saying that you know saying something about science being uh available I forget do you remember Carolyn whom who we sent it out who we sent out this letter to >> I think it was everybody that was on the inventory >> could be
>> but I think that was like 12 years ago >> it could have been a a few years ago defin >> definitely a few years >> we did I In 2019 18 when did we do that? When was our most recent survey? It was pre pre2020.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Preco. >> Um and that was adding we added a number of houses to the inventory that go around. >> We did. >> So, but it seems though if if a letter was sent out to everybody on the
inventory, we didn't get many responses. Right. >> That's correct. Yes. I'm wondering if that's something we should do though. Put some money into that of sending out a mailer to let people know then. >> Yes. >> Right. Be like if you buy your you buy your first one, you get replacements for
the rest of you know. >> Yes. Right. So again, I think that if we're going to send out a letter, we should not agree to pay for the signs because if we get a hundred people, we will bankrupt the town. >> We get a thousand people, we bankrupt
the town. Yeah, we don't have that many. Uh, >> but many houses. >> You buy the first one and and we'll, you know, we'll pay for the, how rephrase that? Um, >> yes. Right. >> Something something to the effect of like and we'll we'll maintain we'll pay
for the rest of them after that. >> Uh because they're not >> well hopefully not all of them would come up for renewal at the same time down the and you know what that's other people on the commissions. >> All right. So let's let's table this for another
>> because it looks like it was in the meeting of January 2020 and we all know what happened shortly. >> Oh no had here and all. So but that's what happened. >> Yeah, you're probably right. >> Started it. We just never did. >> We just never then co came and
>> so I think it's really great that the that we have a person who is keeping our history from the historical society. Um, no. >> All right, let's table this for further
discussion. Um, so for for other So, so far for CPC projects, we just have the markers, granite markers. >> Um, you know, other ideas that I just thought about was the First Baptist Church, but I think that's premature
given where they're at. >> Um, and then the other is 550 King Street and the Milling. I also think that's premature because they're not they're not there yet. They're still >> I'm sorry. What would we do there with the CPC? >> Well, I don't know. We'd have to think
about it. Like one one idea I have been harboring is that we have a mural like a big mural on a wall of a building either at the mill building or even if it's a new building, even if we don't or at the um 550 King Street, but the owner would
have to agree to this. though it's out of you know but that's one idea >> but I think what it's all premature because they're not they're still going through the planning board process so it's like years down the road I think what they're going to be doing there so
any other thoughts about CPC projects for submitting this round by March 13th >> yeah the line >> what would we do for CBC BC project. >> Well, we have to do something.
It's just sitting there rotting away and the problem's not going to go away. >> And it's our baby. >> It is our baby. I don't think it's a CBC project, but I do think we should talk about it. >> You can't drop the ball on this.
>> Well, okay. So, I think uh I don't I don't even know who to talk to about what to do. Maybe Shanti. >> Maybe. >> Hey, Shanti, we got an 18 wheeler full of historic wood. What would you do with
it? >> Yeah, we should go to AI and ask Gohead. >> Yeah, go for it. Go ahead. Do it. Right. >> Yeah, that would be good to see what it says. >> Yeah. And we also have >> also ask Shanti. >> We do also have plans for rebuilding
that. >> We do, which is a million bucks. Now it's more than that. Of course, that was a 2 ft of snow out there. That trailer was leaving before this. >> Yeah. >> All I could think of was what's it look like now? >> Mhm.
>> Yes. Well, we have not been in it recently, >> right? So, in the spring, we'll have to go. >> Well, yeah. And they have this like gate there now. I was supposed to stop by. So, it was muddy and there was a a gate that they have stretched across. So, we'd have to talk to the owner to get permission, I think, to go and visit.
So, I don't think that's some place you want to show up unannounced. >> All right. So, I'm guessing there's no other CPC projects besides the markers. Is that right for now? Okay. We can do it again, you know, in the fall if there's a special town meeting, which it usually is. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Um minutes. We just had January minutes. Is that right, Chris? I think so. >> I think I sent them out to everybody, right? >> Oh, I I was looking for them actually. >> They're somewhere. You can look at them here if you want. >> No, I found them. >> Found them.
So, Chris sent them. Is this to just AI or did you edit them at all? >> Uh, I may have done a little >> Yeah. Okay. And then I did a little more editing which you have on your copies. Any more edits on the minutes or changes to make?
Uh, I think Fannon and Lar is spelled wrong. >> Where is that? >> Very >> in action items or at the top. >> 3.1. >> I'm sorry. 3.1. Oh, yeah. I >> I think I didn't I correct that. Still wrong. >> Other places that it's wrong.
>> It's still Well, I didn't. >> L E H N E R. >> Uh, it's Well, Fannon, I think a >> Oh, is that wrong? I I am. >> I think you're right. >> Feel like I had >> I think you're right. I think it's I >> What is this?
>> Fannon. >> Fannon is spelled wrong. >> Carolyn, you would know these things. How is How are Fannon and Lena spelled? >> Yeah. Thank you, Rachel. >> Larer might be right. >> Yeah, I think I definitely
>> All right. So, let me Yeah. All right. Um, >> yeah, it shows up again. >> Can you try at some point find and put an I instead of No, I think I fixed all the learners. Search >> the bottom and action items. >> Yeah, that's the Oh, and I see three or
one up in the top. Yeah, >> I was looking at the auction items, but >> um the proposed RN demolition. >> Where are you? >> I guess. Is that supposed to be a barn? >> Supposed to be barn.
>> Oh, what? Proposed barn. >> Proposed arm. Yeah. >> Uhhuh. >> It just says proposed R. >> Oh, proposed barn. Got that, Chris. >> Yeah. Right.
>> Anybody else? >> All right. Um, do I have a motion to approve the minutes of January 14th, 2026? >> Oh, you know what? One quick thing. I just want to make sure. So, we uh make How do we phrase it? We got in a
little bit of trouble. >> Okay. because we had our little meeting and we took a vote, but the owner had not submitted a demolition permit. And so that you're we shouldn't do that.
So we got to make sure we said that we discussed it, >> right? And we can say we voted but we can't say historical significance determination determin reference during discussion.
I guess that's okay. It just can't be the official determination of historic significance. Right. >> Right. But I mean, we also followed up and had a second meeting. >> We did. We had to because of >> Wasn't this the second meeting? >> No. February 14th.
>> No, it's the first one. >> Did Did we do any minutes for the other one? >> I don't think we did minutes for the other one, which we actually have to. >> Yeah. >> Oh, for the interm one. Yeah, the quick one. >> The one on the What was that on the
11th? >> Was that recorded? Uh what? >> Probably. >> Was it recording? >> Yeah. >> Thank >> So this is okay cuz >> No, >> no, no idea.
>> Oh, if I could find it, I'll do the minutes for that one. >> Okay. But this should This was the second one, right? The >> first one. This >> is the first one. There was another one that I couldn't make it to. >> Yeah, that's right. After this one, Tuesday, it was like an emergency.
>> We had to do a second one. Oh, I see what you're saying. >> We got our hands slapped because we we said, "Oh, you you're coming before us. You're doing this proposal, right? We need to start the process. We can't start the process until somebody
actually does the paperwork." And they did. So, they misled us cuz they were saying that they had submitted a demolition permit. >> They never submitted the demolition permit. So try to find those limits and then
that will be the official vote of historic significance. >> Yeah. I mean we can say we voted that we thought the barn was historically significant >> or something to that effect, but you can't use the term I think historic significance determination. You can't
use that cuz it was not that. It was the other meeting that >> So can can we just delete the word determination? >> Yes. I think absolutely. Got it. or historic importance motion determine if the barn
>> uh is historically significant. >> So say historic importance. >> Yeah, I think that's fine. Got it. And then it's the next meeting. That's >> Tuesday, January 7th. >> What's that meaning? If you need a date to like look for that. >> Which one? No, >> Tuesday, January 7th. >> February 7th. >> February
>> 27th. January 27th. >> January 7th. >> Tuesday, January 27th. >> No. >> Oh, that's right. We had a meeting. >> We had the Zoom meeting. >> Zoom meeting. >> It took us a very long time to get into, >> right? Cuz cuz somebody messed the whole thing. I look for it.
>> Yeah. I thought we could write up minutes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, speaking of misspellings, >> we were all on the meeting. We couldn't talk or see each other. >> Well, we made it. At least you're there. >> Yeah. No, we were.
>> We were absolutely there. But the problem was while we were on all on this meeting certain people were frantically texting each other saying I can see you but I can't hear you. I can't hear you but I can see you. I see you. I can't hear you.
>> Back to Zoom days. >> Yeah. >> Actually it was Zoom actually. Yeah. But we got to figure that >> all lost our touch. in the meeting minutes of the last meeting. Something tells me that we've misspelled Andrew
Sam Marco's last name >> which on this one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Under action items where it says administrative chair coordinate with Fannon and Lena and >> was it two M's or two Rs? I can't
remember. Two >> two M's. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay, got that view. Okay, thank you. All right, do I have a motion to approve the minutes of January 12th, I mean 14th
with the edits discussed at our February 25th meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Okay. Okay. So I think we can schedule our
next meeting and then adjourn. Does everyone agree? >> Yes. >> So would that be March 11th if we're going back to the second Wednesday? Uh >> oh. Uh oh. Uh oh. Hold on. Work. Hold on.
Let's close my calendar while we're doing this here. March 11th. Well, you guys can have a meeting, but I cannot attend. >> I mean, do we want to push it back to like the 18th? >> The 18th is the CPC meeting.
>> And that's an important one, too. CPC. >> Yeah. >> I think you should hold the meeting without me. >> Answer that, Ed. >> Yes, you can. Long as you'll all show up. I cannot show up. >> We will miss you, but I think we can. Yeah. >> Okay. It's not something I mean,
>> well, this is a special >> wanted you to have missed this meeting, but >> Right. Exactly. >> Okay. All right. So, >> I'll put it on my calendar just in case I don't have to go somewhere. March 11th,
next historical commissioning. Okay. All right. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor?