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Good evening, Littleton. Um this evening we will be uh starting our our meeting in executive session and we will come out of executive session at approximately 6:30 p.m. So we

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um read the >> move the select board vote to enter into executive session pursuant to mass journal law chapter 30A section 21 A2 to conduct strategy sessions with non-union personnel specifically the police chief and move the SLboard vote to enter an

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executive session pursuant to mastering law chapter 38 section 21 A2 to conduct negotiations with non-unions. Second. >> It's moved by Mark, second by Karen. This will be a roll call vote. >> Chuck Roses I.

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>> Karen Morrison's eye. >> Mark. >> Hi. >> And Gary's right. Well, we'll see you at approximately 6:30. Thank you. Uh I would like to start the evening uh with a the pledge of allegiance as always and we would like to follow that up with a moment of silence.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for it stand indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Uh we're going to uh going to hand it

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off to Mark uh for a moment of silence. We had a passing of a a veteran. On behalf of the select board and the town of Littleton, we extend our deepest condolences to the family and friends of John Charles Jack Doyle who passed away peacefully on June 6th, 2026 at the age

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of 78. A longtime resident of Littleton, Jack was a proud veteran of the United States Navy serving his country during the Vietnam War. Following his military service, he devoted himself to his family, his community, and a distinguished career with Digital Equipment Corporation. He was also a

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dedicated member of the American Legion Post 313, where he maintained a lifelong commitment to supporting fellow veterans and serving others. The select board respectfully requests a moment of silence in honor of John Charles Jack Doyle, whose life of service, dedication to family, and commitment to his

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community left us a lasting left a lasting impact on those who knew him. We extend our sincerest condolence to his family and loved ones. Thank you. All right. This evening, uh, we're going to, uh, we're going to read the mail.

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We're going to get into some department board updates, um, and requests. We've got um special apple man's triathlon, our annual event with the Rotary coming up. So, our members, their members are here to discuss that. Uh we have some

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vote for our transfer for our snow and ice. Um and public member updates. We'll get into some fiscal year um discussion on town board and committee appointments. Uh we are going to meet our new town moderator. I believe that's

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happening tonight as well. and we vote to approve uh or the cystic fibrosis foundation cycle for life bicycle event. We're going to discuss our finally discuss our select leaison um the different town boards and

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committees. Uh we're going to have a little bit more discussion on flock cameras or as we're going to continue um discussion over a period of time. So you'll see that on the agenda like I had mentioned probably for the next several weeks. Uh we'll vote to authorize town administrator to sign an intermunicipal

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agreement with the town of Boxboro for LCTV. Going to accept a letter from the park and recreation commission declaring a member vacancy and set a meeting date to make a joint appointment for a new member and then we'll have a town administrator update minutes and then we will adjourn.

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>> Um so town administrator getting into reading up the mail part of the agenda. It was okay. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members of the uh of the select bird select board, sorry. Um we have uh to start out with

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the uh we've got uh a number of current vacancies on town and boards. What is the wish of the Do you want to read them all? >> There's a number. >> I'm sorry. >> There's a number of them. >> Yes, there are. >> I mean, that's a lot. So just look at the website um or on this packet on

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online and you'll see that we have um always have volunteer opportunities in the town of Littleton for various um committees and and boards. So maybe one of those will interest you. >> Please please volunteer. Uh we also um have online that is uh up there now the select board office hours

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that uh uh would be running um uh through May of next year. Uh at this point we've got uh uh that is happening um probably tw I'm looking at twice a week approximately twice a week uh in in

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in some areas at this point. Uh but we've got Mr. Rambaka uh Mr. Bup and Ms. Morrison that have uh that have taken the uh um the brunt of it. And uh we also have our picnic uh 4th of

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Littleton 4th of July town picnic press release in celebration of the 250th anniversary. Uh it will be uh Littleton Town Picnic at Fay Park on Saturday, July 4th from 11:30 to 2:30. Uh it was sponsored uh it is sponsored by the

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Littleton Historical Commission. Uh and it will open with the ringing of uh town church bells. uh free concert by Molly Flannry Quartet as well as children's games, singing of the national anthem and other events. The rain would be uh

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will be on Sunday uh July 5th. Uh parking for the picnic is available at Castle in the Trees and at the Littleton Congressional Church, both on King Street. Uh participants are asked to bring their own picnic lunches, pack in and out. There are no trash facilities at the park.

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preceding the picnic are events of the Littleton Historical Societ and Roger Street adjacent to FA Park which include viewing of the historic cannon and the P is funded by the picnic is funded by a generous grant from the Littleton Rotary and as well as a grant

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from the Littleton Cultural Council. So if you have any questions uh please contact Andrew Bowers at 978-486 8642. despite the amount I beg they will not be firing the cannon. I tried.

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Uh we also have a scheduled public hearing uh for the Littleton Planning Board which will be this Thursday, June 25th, 2026 at 6:35 p.m. in the multi-purpose room in the center on Shadic at 33 Shadic Street. Uh this is a

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an application for open open space development special permit storm water permit um aquafare uh district special permit and it's at bluebird farm at 359 King Street. The project is consisting of a five-unit residential open space

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cluster development. Less than one acre will be used for the residential redevelopment and approximately five acres preserved as open space. Uh here we have a gift acceptance form from uh from EHS in the amount of $2,500

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uh and from the name of the party offering the gift is John C. Morrison and Ununice B. Morrison Charitable Foundation and it's to help help continue uh EHS's comm uh mission for the residents of Littleton, tax relief for the elderly and disabled and the

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safe safe return program. Very generous. Thank you very very much. We have another gift acceptance form from Sam Sam Alvarez uh from the library. Um also from John C. Morrison and Ununice B. Morrison Charitable

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Foundation in the amount of $5,000 in recognition of the library's good work and uh and expected to be uh spent on programming for the library. Thank you again. >> We the Morrison Foundation has done a lot over the years for the town and we

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are very grateful for their support. >> Absolutely. No, very >> huge supporter of the library and the COA and other organizations. So, thank you. >> Yes. Um, okay. That that'd be it, Mr. Chairman, for mail.

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>> All right. Thank you. Um, we're going to take things a little out of order since we do have our our Rotary family here today. So, um, we're going to go on with the 3B Rotary Club discussion about the Apple Man Triathlon. So, uh, this is your chance to shine. This is their

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yearly event that has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger, I think, every year. So, >> no, it actually got smaller for a while. I'm Cheryl here and I'm going to hold these upside down. These are visual aids thanks to my assistant. Um, and does everyone know what the Apple

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man triathlon is? So maybe I should just give a quick summary for you know there are a lot of people who watch you guys online. >> Yeah, >> I didn't know that. >> I found that out after the last time I was here. >> We got a lot of clicks. >> Yeah, >> because we can mess with AI and dub our

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voice. Okay. So, um the Apple man triathlon is a sprint triathlon. It's a um half mile swim, a 10mi bike, and a threemile run. Um we are certified by

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the United States Triathlon Association. So, it is a qualifying race. We have had as many as 600 racers at a time. Um that was precoid and um was all good but a little crowded down there. We have since

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decided that we are going to cap it at 500 people. Last year we made 40,000 off of that base and 80% of that 40,000 stayed right here in Littleland. We supported everything from BFW and the um

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any Eagle Scout project that comes before us. Um and Tread and we've done a whole lot of all I'm blanking on all the different things. We just gave we um the other 20% some of it goes regionally

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like we just gave 2500 to loads and fishes um and we've given 5,000 for an international thing but it's it's all it's it's a good thing. >> We do a tremendous amount with the schools here

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>> so they are uh recipients of a fair amount of of what we do earn over the years. So >> anyway, this year we hope to make 45,000. >> We're we're on track for it. We raised our our prices a little bit because we needed to

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>> to be able to pay for the policemen we need for the roads. Now we had a problem last year. When we first started the race, the first 10 years of the race, I wasn't there, but I was told that basically we shut down all of New Town Road, all of Goldmith, all of Shaker

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Lane, and closed them down. And it's for very brief time, Sunday morning. Um, the race starts at 8:00 a.m. and the first biker is out just before 8:30, I believe. >> Yes. >> Is that right? About 8 I mean they swim in that half mile fast.

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>> 820 >> 8:20. Um, and then the last biker is usually back by by 9 by 10 9:30 somewhere in there. Around 9:30 >> 10 at the latest. the our why don't you come up and talk with us because a lot

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of this a lot of this is is is Doug's planning for us. >> So Lieutenant Landry is the liaison from the police department to >> and he's a member of our and a member of Rotary >> and so he's been helping us plan this. Last year we had um we have a couple of of painful spots of spots that scare us.

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Um the one by Clea but we can handle that. We put a policeman there. We've got the volunteer corps there and they've got that down. But the road there are places where the road is really narrow and there's two-way traffic on a long stretch. It's it's that's the problem. And we had a bike

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run off the road on Shaker Lane and someone hurt and we don't and we're worried about that. Um Shaker Lane is very narrow and you get people going in two different directions and a pack of bikes going down there also and suddenly you got troubled. So what we'd like to

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do is right the moment we only close a small part of Goldsmith. Um we'd like to make um Shaker Lane one way going towards um 119. So people can still get down there. They can get to the parking.

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They can get to the race. They can get to that intersection at Shaker Lane, but then they're going to have to flow out to from Shaker Lane. They can't turn up Shaker Lane. So if it's one way going with the bikes, we think that that will solve our issue. Um that was Doug's idea. >> Well, let's hear let's hear I mean he's

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got the you've got the traffic plan. I've seen it. So No, thank you all for inviting me tonight. I appreciate it. Uh this is a great thing for the Rotary and for the town. So, um happy to help. So, yeah, it's always been an open race. The bikes that come and and join us, they seem they know that it's tradition that.

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So, but if we can limit some of the traffic in the area, I think it's going to make for a safer race. And we're also going to um limit some parking on street parking with signage and things beforehand to get ahead of some of the the narrowness on the streets. But yes, so uh keeping that traditional short

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section of Goldsmith Street closed uh as we always have is is going to stay the same. Um and then again one way down Shaker Lane um with the flow of traffic. So and there's an officer on both sides of Shaker Lane posted. So they will

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allow the bikes from uh Goldsmith Street onto Shaker Lane and kind of limit the gaps and spaces and slow everyone down to make sure they enter the roadway safely with the bikes. And then at the uh same thing at Great Road, they're going to be allowing people onto Great Road safely, stopping traffic, but no

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traffic towards the flow of bikes going up uh up Shaker Lane this year. So that is a change. And then also as we spoke as we spoke about Nova Road. So Noshova Road at the um at the water district area where the reservoir is uh very

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tight turn when we're at the act line there. So you've got bikes, you know, very early in the race. Both of these roads are very early in the race, so they've got a lot of uh pep to them. So, they're going pretty good at this uh at this time. So, we want to make sure that's a safe corner for them. So, we're going to post an officer down there with

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the volunteer corps and um the SER team that that participates with us. And that is going to be the flow will be against the bikes in that area, but we have a whole lane to themselves now, right? So, the bikes will have that whole lane that they'll know that they'll stay in their

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right lane as if they were a vehicle. Um, and at the Nag Hill four-way intersection, there'll be another officer, significant volunteer just to kind of limit the speeds and everything and let people know that it's a bike race in the area. Um, again, it's the turn that we're worried about, not

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necessarily the travel, but uh the two-way travel on that quick section because they do go left at Nag Hill at the at the orchard. So, they'll be off Nisha Road at that point. Um, I think doing this will allow the flow of

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traffic in the morning. Uh, it would be a lot better, right? If we if we close the whole course down, we're kind of limiting how people can get to the event themselves cuz we get late arrivals. We get people spectators that want to come see a family member or maybe their family members just doing the bike portion or just the run portion. So,

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they're showing up a little bit late and if we kind of push those people away, um, they're not going to be able to get to their event. And then also residents in the area. So, like preemptively getting out uh using our Facebook, our social media, working with signage, we'll post everything. >> We'll post notices. We'll take little

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notice the outside of everyone's mailbox. We always do that on the bike route to remind them that the race is going to happen and ask them to please be careful of everyone. It's a very short period of time that the bikes are out there. It's no more than an hour and a half and it's first thing Sunday morning. So, traffic usually isn't that

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bad. It's just where the roads are really narrow. We can handle the intersections with the off with the help of our officers, but where the roads are really narrow, it becomes an issue. >> That's a major church there, too. >> Yeah. And that's one of the reasons we're going to keep it flowing the way we're we've got it flowing. So, but they

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don't start until after our bikes are done. >> Okay. Good. >> So, it shouldn't I mean, there will be people, I'm sure, arriving early. And that's a advantage for making that road one way as we are because if people are coming in out of Actton, they can take that left and go up. There's no bikes on

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that part. They come down, if they come by the orchard. >> Yeah. >> They come from Actton down to the orchard, then they can take that left and go back up towards their church. Um, >> for this short period, anybody coming from Actton Westward, if they do want to get to that area town, Foster Street

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would be your best route. Harwood A or Taylor Street coming in from or route two, just come come from Route Two. Um, but it is very short time period. It's early in the race. We have our police motorcycle follows the last uh biker so we can get on the radio right away. And

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as soon as Shaker Lane's clear with the last bike, we open that portion up. As soon as we're off in the shower road, we open that portion up and and it's back to free flow traffic. >> We want to minimize any inconvenience for everyone. We want people to like our race. Actually, we're really delighted to find out we um

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Mark now runs the run and he always actually runs it with the last follows the last runner out and actually runs it. >> I'm the caboose. And we we found out that all along the route there there are people who set up,

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you know, water stands and stand out there with their hoses offering to spray people down and kids, you know, cheering people on. It's especially for the run going up. It's really we we talked about changing the run and we got such an outcry against it that we we decided not

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to. This is our uh 22nd year of doing this. So it's becoming quite a tradition in the event in the in the town and along the route. Um and so I think over the years we try to improve it a little bit every year. Um but uh in the past we

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certainly have have had very smooth events. The racers have come through no major problems and we hope to continue that this year. any any discussion ever of changing the route? I mean, I know you look at this all the time, but I mean, >> well, you know, it's it's

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>> it's actually we we've discussed it every year. >> Um, and because there are parts of they go where they go through Proudy's Woods >> that it gets really muddy. >> Yeah. >> There are people who who come do this race that do it for that

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>> and um he keeps an eye on that. One year we trucked in um wood chips. >> Yeah. >> We had one year they were felling trees and we had to get special permission. They closed it closed the the trails down and we had to get special permission to use it and they pro and

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they did and they promised to keep the trees clear but then there was a tree down >> and so that became an obstacle which people you know afterwards when they give feedback they actually seem to like you know it was it was it's all good. The Boy Scouts are our heroes in the

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woods and keeping people on track, >> right? >> Um the volunteer cores being our hero on the on the route and we have people who have done the same corner um on the for you know 10 years >> um on our bike route because we try to put a volunteer at every turn.

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>> Yeah. >> And make sure that no one goes astray. And we have swim angels. We um our goal is to always have at least 10 swim angels for the swimmers um for people who are unsure of themselves swimming that long. Um Parkin does a fabulous job

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of getting out there with us. Um Tim and now Tim's replacement has always, you know, and the fire department always shows up in mass. Um we set them we give them their own little pop-up tent and little EM and picnic table for their EMTT station. And um it's usually my son

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who needs to use it, >> but it's it's all good. >> A good day. >> It is. And it's over. We're cleaned up and gone from the beach by noon. Yep. >> Where there's no sign of us. >> And we always need someone to lead the pledge of allegiance and would love to have one. You're going to be busy

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because you're doing our drone shot. Kyla's volunteered to do our drone um photography for us this year. But if any of you would like to come and and plead the pledge of allegiance for us, we'd certainly appreciate it. >> You have to be there by 7:30 in the morning.

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>> If we're singing the anthem, I might volunteer. >> What? >> If it was singing the anthem, I might volunteer. >> You have to sing. >> Okay. Don't Don't go. >> Well, I had Peter singing this year, but I he I >> One year we had two singers for the

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anthem and um so one of them sang the anthem and one of them sang God Bless America and that was >> everyone liked it. >> Great. Um any other concerns from the police department? >> No. Um they've committed to staffing it

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adequately, so I think we're going to we're going to be good. So >> Doug's been wonderful. Yeah, >> we'll be happy to answer any questions anybody might have about the race. >> How would the crazy people sign up? >> How did the crazies want to do this sign up?

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>> Oh, >> apple triathlon.com has a link to the run sign up page. >> Yeah, apple looking for volunteers. >> And volunteers, right? Yes. And for volunteers, I'm about to post the volunteer sign up on Littleton Moms United. Um, we particularly need people

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always for set up the night before and break down. We get the beach around 4:00 on Saturday night and we set everything up and um then on Sunday then a lot of us are there Sunday morning. These

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aren't where we need people to volunteer, but a lot of us are there at like 4:30 Sunday morning, including me, unfortunately. Um and then but we need people to break down starting around 10:30 10 10:30 to pick up bike racks and

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help us take up netting fencing. We um have to keep people out of the transition area and we can only allow athletes in the transition area and our transition area is actually the parking lot for the the beach area that becomes our transition par. We squeeze 500 bikes

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into that. Um and it's kind of a fun site. If you go online to the appleandtriathlon.com site, there's a wonderful video um that is a couple years old now. We're hoping to replace, but um it's shows you a lot.

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>> Oh, good. Thank you. >> Good. When you one suggestion when when you have your traffic plan, put it in the volunteer bag so the volunteers when they're on the course know how you're directing traffic and where um where where to how to direct people either to

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the race or around the race. >> We probably could do that. Um, you can kind of see on this. I guess I could I could put I could put one way >> which way where the oneways are, where, you know, if they want to get around, you know, people that are want to go

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from Goldsmith to Actton, where you're recommending they go, that type of thing, because it always comes up. Oh, for the um for the ones you put on the mailbox >> or when you put the bags out for the volunteers at the different stations, give them those two and let them know

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that they tell them to read them because >> those always come up. >> Okay. We're actually going to for the first year, we're actually going to have an information booth. Judy Grande has offered to staff and um at the beach. We've never had an information booth before, but I think we

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need one. Um, I run the transition area and um, I wear a bright red shirt every year so people can find me, but this will be a lot better. >> Is she going to be wearing the Apple Man? >> No. No. We have a a lovely young man um,

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high schooler who has done it for the last three years and has already signed up to do it again this year. It's very fun. His mom actually called me last year and wanted to know where he should sign up because he liked doing it. But okay. >> Yeah. Good.

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>> Yeah. >> And and if you're in high school or middle school and you need volunteer hours, we're happy to to give you for this. This is a nonprofit um thing and so it's all good. >> Very cool. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We'll have your permission to

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make those roads one way as the police recommend. >> Yes. This is the uh recommendation from public safety. So this is how we I mean we put our trust in them. So, um, and I don't doesn't sound like anybody had any concerns of the what the plan was. So, >> we are a little worried about next year

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with, um, Shaker Lane being rebuilt. >> Yeah, we'll get we'll cross that bridge. >> We'll have to cross that bridge when we get there and figure that out. >> I think with it being Sunday, you got to be okay because all the construction is going back into the field. >> I know, but we use we use that their >> they use them and their field for parking. >> We'll figure it out.

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>> We'll we'll figure it out when we get there. >> Yeah. But thank you guys. Thank you for all you do for the town and and the community. So truly appreciate >> you. Thank you. >> Thanks, Lieutenant. >> Thank you for >> All right. All right. We have a uh vote to approve potential agreement with non-union

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personnel. Alicia Day. Um, we've all discussed it and >> no concerns. >> No concerns. That's good. >> I'm prepared to vote. Yep. >> Motion. >> Move the select board vote to approve the agreement as presented. >> Second.

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>> Moved by Mark. Second by Chuck. All those in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. Um, vote to approve year-end transfer for snow and ice spending. >> Mr. Chairman, that is a a miscommunication. And there were there

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were no transfers for the select board to take action on this evening. It's it's uhformational only. What we'll do as in years past is any deficit that we have and we're looking at approximately $400,000 a little over $400,000 of a

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deficit uh because there were 24 events over the past winter. Uh we will as in years past raise it in the recap. Um so as aformational purposes the the 24 events that required either treating and

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or plowing um one of the main drivers is the cost of salt. The price went up to $103 per ton this past winter uh from was previously at 65. So we're almost looking at almost double um with a obviously we have a limited

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number of staff and plow contraers. they're working much longer hours, increase the overtime. Uh vehicle repair is a bit less of a factor um other than the rising cost of plow and sander parts and uh that is the update that uh that

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we we offer the select board. Okay, I'll do well let's do our member updates. We're ready for that. Kyle, you have anything for us? >> I don't have anything. So, I attended uh the retirement party for

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Kelly Clumpy on >> Yes. >> last week. Um I wanted to thank him for his years of service to the town. Um and two, we missed each other. Um I attended

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the bicycle pedestrian committee meeting last week. Uh they're um still looking for uh uh the speed limit changes in town and some other uh uh things going on. Uh I was at the Habitat

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or the Affordable Housing Trust meeting. Habitat for Humanity has their building permit for the 87 to Ottawa. >> Is that what they looks like there's work being done there? I saw some chatter on Facebook like what's going on in there? They've already started. >> They're starting I don't know that they've started anything. They're going

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to >> They said they're going to be starting to clear some of the brush. >> That's what it is. >> Um they're planning on having starting construction sometime this fall with a house um hopefully in habitable buying next June. >> Um

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Kyle and I both went to the historical society's event at Durgible on last week. >> We did do that. >> Um we did not win the trivia team. Um but it was a lot of fun and um I believe they still have shirts available over at the historical society. They made a nice

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t-shirt. So, I suggest people go over there and check them out. Um, I am going to the Mass Housing Institute Thursday and Friday. They're uh having a two-day conference sponsored by Mass Housing Partnership. Um, so um that should be uh

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interesting. And we have finalized theou with clean lakes. Um I think it's ready for gym to sign. It was then reviewed by town council and Westford uh town council. Uh this allows us to piggy back off the Westford's contract for

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treatment of Forge Pond um uh for this this season. Uh we have a draft of an IMA that um the uh conservation commission, the conservation agents have reviewed. Uh we're getting ready to send that to

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Westford and we'll be bringing in front of us in the next meeting or two. >> That's Lake Manawanaki, our half. Just let you know. We have a line down the middle of the lake which was um the uh I don't have a whole lot. I you know, one thing I I was able I was uh had the

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honor today uh with with our town administrator uh Jim. We we attended the uh graduation of one of our our newest officer, Officer Jonathan Puya. Uh, so I think um congratulations to him and his family I

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met today and he'll be starting gez I think I think they're giving him one day off tomorrow. Uh, he'll be with us uh starting Wednesday. So uh if you see him around town, Officer Puya, please wish him well and congratulate him.

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>> Um, nothing really. Just school is out so uh there's going to be more kids in crosswalks and on bikes and whatnot. So, just uh be aware that there's a lot of kids out there. Just be careful. >> Yes. >> All right. This is the time when we have uh opened up to the public if we have

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anyone that would like to speak. Um Mr. Sanders walk George Sand 62 great road. Good evening. I just wanted to bring up a couple of things. Uh, one is the crosswalk up here at the Baptist church

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up here. Uh, I understand they're selling the church to someone in Actton, I guess, >> another church. >> And they're probably going to be taking that sign down, Mr. Chairman. And, uh, I know we had spoke about that before

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because uh, cars come up to the stop light there. I mean, the stop sign there. It's tough for them to see when the car is to the right band come up Steven Street there. So, you know, we had someone get killed there coming from the church and um we need to um get the

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state to uh it's a state ru there. So, we need to get the state to look in probably putting a crosswalk light there. It is definitely needed because you got business on the other side over there. And I I noticed the other day uh people was having a hard time trying to

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cross over to go to uh uh Goldmith on that side coming from off u um King Street to go across over there. So we need to look at that uh for the safety of the people in the town here. Uh the

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other thing I want to make note on, I spoke to uh the building inspector uh with regards to uh uh Gary Farm down here. I'm beginning to wonder what does that place turn into? Is it a

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transportation relay point? Uh they got all kind of there's probably I I seen seven I I counted eight uh large vehicles down there. one time. And I think now they got a tractor down

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there and they got two uh lowboards on this side with the street that goes down back to harbor there and then they got a reefer van over there and they got another trailer low and then there's another truck over there. What is What

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is going on? I mean this is ridiculous. Uh they bring these vehicles in here into the neighborhood. I mean, it's looking bad down there with uh Gary F down there with them uh bringing these vehicles in here. And I'm just wondering uh what in the name were they doing

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there? Uh I would think that we need to talk to them and say why you bring these vehicles in here. >> I m I don't know if it's a violation of a a law. I mean, it's private land, right? So >> yeah, it's it's private land, but

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normally when you got big vehicles like that that that comes in like that, >> use it. I mean, I look at it as being a relay station, >> Jim, do you know? >> Yeah. I mean, the the new the new owner has no plans at this point with a

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schedule on developing developing the site. So any arrangement he or she may have made with the that activity we're not aware of. Um but I can absolutely follow up and uh and to see if there's

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any zoning or anything that is that is violated or anything like that. Mr. Sanders. >> Okay. because I know that uh they origin wanted to uh bring something in and uh the two farms on great road

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there was dead set against it >> right >> that they wanted to come in here and is sitting out of there for a while and then all of a sudden the vehicle started uh coming in that parking in over there. >> Okay. Thank you sir. And George, just before I let you go, there's still some discussion that I I know I've had um

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regarding that crosswalk um of possibility of an island there. Um we see it in some communities, also in a lot of cities where it's a halfway point, almost a safe place um where another walk light would be in the middle of the island and one on either

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end. So, it kind of >> and that's probably what's needed there just because of the the width of that. It's it's a long >> quadruple lane road. The bicycle and pedestrian committee held a meeting with I think mascot was there >> and uh and La Ply was there and a couple

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others and that was one suggestion. I think the the the police were against that at the time because of making the left turn out of Goldmith very difficult. on one >> confusing. >> Well, going around and um there's also talk of moving the crosswalk to the

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other side of the intersection so that it comes off of um off of the park there by the veterans corner, extending that a little bit, making that a safe area and through. >> I don't know how it was left to who's like driving the process going forward,

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but we need to follow up with that. >> Thank you for bringing it up. Thank you. Anyone else? >> Uh, Lieutenant Landry, nothing from the police on that cross. >> No, no, the same. The last I heard was the same uh suggestions, but no new uh

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new updates on there. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Um, let's move down to our um, actually, Miss Bean, are you planning to stay here? I I'm going to move you up on the agenda just so you

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don't have to spend the whole night. >> I can I'm happy to listen. >> Okay. As long as you're comfortable. We're almost there. Thank you. >> Um, all right. Let's talk about the fiscal year 2027 town board and committee appointments. So, we have we have a list of appointments um that we

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need to make. So, any discussion? Um, and thank you to I think some of these volunteers might be returning or are they all returning or >> the majority majority? I think there's only two that are not >> two names. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh, but once again, thank you to these

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to all the volunteers. Um, but I'm one of them on here so I can't I don't think I can vote. Can I? >> You wouldain abstain from myself. Okay. Thank you. So, I'll look uh for a motion if we have any discussion on >> Is there anybody that that is an applicant that wants to speak?

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>> Good point. >> Oh, okay. So, >> you don't have to say anything. >> I just figured it. >> Yeah, you spent some questions there. >> Appreciate it. >> He's a very valuable member of the

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zoning board. >> Thank you. What should we vote? Can we do it as a slate? >> You can do it as a slate. >> Just exclude him. >> Yeah, I would just skip over the disabilities to be able to vote on it. Other than

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that, >> you get that do it as a slate with the exception of disabilities. >> So, the motion in the says as in the table below, but these ones that were handed out, I don't think are in the table. Oh, I don't know what I would add.

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>> So, you're going to have to hold off on the disability one anyway versus five additional >> can you got these? >> Yep. >> So, we'll do all this.

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B plus four and then come back. >> Move the select board vote to approve the slate of appointees in the table below and Alan McCrae to Littleton Community Television advisory committee, Paulo Warjo to bicycle and pedestrian committee. Anne

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Lton to sustainability committee and Sarah Rustan to cultural council. >> Second. >> Moved by Mark, seconded by Chuck. All those in favor >> I >> and thank you to all those volunteers and please um it's one in as

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appropriate. Thank you at the town clerk's office. >> No, no, no, now the hard one. Do you want to actually put Gary on? >> Should we put him on the podium and ask him some questions? >> Yeah. >> I get enough from Mr. Sanders in the back. I don't

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>> Please go ahead. Uh, move the select forward vote to appoint Gary Wilson to the disability commission. >> Second. >> Moved by Mark, seconded by Chuck. All those in favor? >> I I >> and I will abstain.

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All right. Thank you. And thank you once again. All >> get out. >> I will. Thank you. Okay. Now, on to the introduction of our town moderator, Cammy Bean. Please come on up.

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>> No, >> we forgot to walk up music. >> I did bring the town meeting time. Um >> I was going to read it. >> I could read from it. It's fascinating reading. Um yeah, so I'm uh here to introduce myself as your new newly elected town moderator. I'm uh

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>> fantastic. >> You know, a little bit nervous about this. This is quite a role. uh take it very seriously though and I'm really excited to partner with all of you to learn and to grow in the role and to you know do our best to keep moving Littleton forward in the spirit of

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participatory democracy and um be the unbiased town moderator that I need to be. Um so I have started my studies by reading the book. I have become a member of the Massachusetts moderators association. I was going to come to this meeting two weeks ago and it turned out

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that was the first training. So, I went to that. >> I've been assigned a um a mentor with the Car who's the town of Carile uh moderator who I think Tim Goddard who I've met with he was the town administrator there at some point. So, I think he he knows him as well.

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>> Um and of course I've been in touch with Tim and and plan to lean on him heavily. Um and really just want to >> keep the lines of communication open with all of you. I am very new at this so I'm not a lawyer. I'm a public

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speaker sort of. I'm a writer. I can hopefully keep the crowd in order. Um, yeah, but I'll be really looking to uh take guidance from all of you as well. >> Madam moderator. >> Madam moderator. >> That's your best friend right there. >> She'll town clerk and she'll keep the

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order of the entire place. >> Yes. I feel very confident in our town clerk and town council. I've been told town council will be here and town clerk here. And Diane has already after I handed him my papers and she said, you know, Tim has been doing this for 20 years and the guy before 35 years and I

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thought, "Oh my goodness, what have I seen?" >> Well, it was a 20 year. You signed up for 20 years. I think it's a tiny print. >> So, we'll see how this goes. Um, yeah, I mean, I think really important to stay informed of what the hot issues are so going into town meeting, I have some

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idea of what the hot ticket items are. Um, and then certainly working on procedural things with all of you. So, prepping of the warrant. I don't know exactly how Littleton does it relative to, you know, every town seems to be doing it a little bit differently and it's been interesting hearing from all

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the various moderators on how they do it. So, um, >> you'll you'll get your style. I would I would say definitely watch some of our town meetings. >> I've been to many of them. >> Don't cringe too much. And then >> I've been to many of them, so I have I have a sense of how it's been done here. But put your own,

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>> you know, we're we're excited just to have a new >> a new voice. >> I'm an madam moderator. That will be different for Littleton. >> Fantastic. Thank you. >> No, this is it's fantastic. So, appreciate you stepping up. It's a it's such a critical position in the town and

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it's nobody really talks about the town moderating until it's the spotlight's on it and you're you're controlling an entire town meeting. So we appreciate it and the the value >> position. So thank you. >> When I was getting signature, someone at at the transfer station kind of leaned

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in. He was like, "So what are you going to do for the town?" You know, so he wasn't going to. I said, >> "Well, I'm going to volunteer and step in." And just like all of you do, right? So that's a start. >> And heard cats. >> It was like really challenged like what's going to be your platform? Well, I'm not supposed to have a platform.

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Supposed to be unbiased. So fantastic. >> Yes, that will be >> good answers. >> My my key role. Yeah. So any questions for me? Yeah, please open up >> our suggestions on next steps or what I should do. >> Well, we opened up that we know that you know the dates for everything for town meeting, right? And we should make sure

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you're involved in >> Yeah, I think preparing. >> Yeah, you I've already got it penciled in. Yep. >> Um and you know, I think you know, if you're going to each town moderator has their own style and you know, and I think that's a great thing. Uh, last

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town meeting was very different with a different town meeting moderator and I'm looking forward to your style and >> I'm sure I will grow into my style. So, no big changes this first year, I'm sure. But I will take any any suggestions and I know there's a survey that's gone out. I'd be keen to check

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that out. >> Sure. >> Um, >> and anything we can do to help you succeed, you know, >> and I won't know what questions to ask necessarily early on. So, if you have any ideas or suggestions, um, >> I don't think we know them yet either. >> We will be wayfinding our, you know,

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>> we'll have LCTV put you on a 5-second tape delay so they can edit anything. >> I can edit anything. >> No, thank you. >> No, thank you, Karen. Appreciate you stepping up and look forward to your tenure. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. We'll see. We'll see how long. Three years, 20 years, 35, I don't know. Yes. >> Yeah. Thank you for doing >> all right. Thank you. >> Congratulations. Thank you. >> All right. Is there a motion there? >> No. Okay. >> Yep.

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>> All right. We're going to move on. Vote to approve the route for the October 3rd, 2026 Cystic Fibrosis Foundation cycle for life bicycle event. >> Look like police highway and fire didn't have any issues. So, >> yep. I get in the back. I'm getting the

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the headshake. We're >> ready for it. >> Okay. Um is there is there a do you have any um skin in the game here as far as details or anything for this particular event? >> Um no. Okay.

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>> Okay. Um any discussion on this? moves the select board vote to approve the request of the cystic fibrosis foundation to use town roads for cycle for life on Saturday, October 3rd, 2026. >> Second move by Mark, second by Kyle. All

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those in favor? >> I um Okay. Review, discuss, and assign select board liaison to town boards and committees. So, we have the list I believe correct with us.

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Any um I'm open to discussing who wants to move where if you want to try something, Kyle, I know it's all new to you, but any members that want to try something? >> Thank you.

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Um, we can go down the list or we can uh It's a lot of writing for you, Anthony. If you or >> we have to fill all these in. >> Well, in the packet they there's names. >> Yeah, we have names.

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>> Those were last year. >> Yeah, it was. >> That's important to know though because it might just stay the same in some cases. I mean, unless somebody >> um >> retire the charter review committee liaison, right? >> Well, Mhm. >> That's Oh, for the less on part. Yeah.

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>> Um well, let's just go down. Let's go down the list. This won't we can do this fairly fast actually. Uh we have one member at a agricultural commission. >> I've been doing the acom and the bicycle and pedestrian. I hand clean rates the

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top. >> Yeah. And I don't mind continuing with those three. Okay. If someone else wants them, I'm more than willing to >> any um all right. So Mark will keep you on agricultural commission bicycle and

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pedestrian BPAC. Um who was the member last year? I don't have that sheet. Me you >> are you? >> I'm fine. >> Okay. This will help.

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Um, all right. Charter review committee. So, as a discussion, do we do we need to continue to have representation with that committee? If they're not, they're done meeting, I believe. Until >> dissolve it. >> Until we dissolve it, >> I think so. >> Okay. We'll just stay on until we dissolve the commission.

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>> So, um, >> well, um, well, all three of us can't be there. So, >> yeah, because Kyle's >> Fair point. Um, >> it might be a good transition for one of you to step off and then come on. >> Yeah, we're just going to have you I'll step off. The two of you can continue

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with. >> That's fine. >> The cleaning up and finishing up the project. Um, clean lakes. Mark, we'll continue with now. So, Matthew had uh conservation commission with leazison and the council on aging.

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Um, I don't mind uh taking on the council on aging probably. >> I'll take Ganscon. >> Well, okay. >> Anony's writing it, Anthony. Okay. Thank you. >> Um, cultural council. I was on this as well.

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So, this is one that I didn't do a whole lot with. So, >> I kind of know several people and they've been coming to me. >> There you go. So, thank you, Karen. >> I'll take it. um finance committee uh with Mark and I

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uh it's typically I mean when doing finance policy it's usually the chair and then the member I know you were on it last year as well but >> um >> um I don't want to throw Kyle under the bus but that's that's actually a good place to learn. >> It is. >> Yeah. Um >> so >> I'm interested in it.

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>> All right. >> You can move in for me. I came from fincom so we're quite comfortable handing it off and um good definitely a good place to learn. Um >> Kyle and >> Kyle and Mark you want to stay on it? >> Sure. >> Thank you.

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>> Um all right so Matthew Nortouse also had historical commission. So um >> nobody's jumping. I'll jump in. >> You want to do it? Sure. Okay. And let's

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>> three as well. the next three. Your computer just died. So move. No, it didn't. >> So Matthew was a second on light and water, right? >> Yeah. >> So we need a second. >> I'll get on light and water. I have no no issue. >> Chuck, do you want to stay on?

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>> Sure. >> Okay. The two of us will handle um light and water. Uh parking >> Iowa park and wreck. Right. >> Parking wrecks commission with us. Uh, Chuck and Mark, you comfortable staying on the commission? You

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>> Yeah, I'm good. Unless somebody else wants >> Anybody else want it? >> I'll take it if No, if somebody doesn't want it, but >> I'm good staying there, but if you want it, Karen, I can either way. >> Either way. >> All right, we're going to move Karen onto the park and rec commission. Thank

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um with Mark uh permanent municipal building committee. That's Karen and Chuck. You guys comfortable staying on it? >> I haven't really. That's always been all Karen. >> I'm fine with it. >> You want to Yeah, >> that's another good one for learning.

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Honestly, >> you hear a lot about everything that's happening. >> Do it, baby. >> Let's do it. >> Kyle and Kyle, >> like you guys tell me which ones to get on. >> Uh, that's a good one. Um, very involved. >> Not a heavy lift, but you find out a

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lot. >> You're in the know on Yeah. any any building stuff. >> Great. Now all my neighbors will be asking me >> um personal advisory committee >> all the time. >> Yeah, I've been on I've been on this for a few years. I it's something I

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thoroughly enjoy just um >> you will >> professionally comfortable with it. But if somebody really wants to jump into the human resources uh real >> I think we're better served with you on there to be honest. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm gladly stay on it. So

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thank you. Um, let's see. Planning board. We had Mark, you're you go to every meeting, Mark, so I >> I go to quite a few. >> Have trouble pulling you away from that. >> I don't mind. >> Uh, it's critical. It's just such an

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important board. So, um, in any of these, you know, you can add a second leazison if we wanted. So, somebody wants to jump in and say, "No, I want to learn more about that." And there's only one, we can always add a second. >> Um, >> I'm going to school committee. You going to stay with school committee?

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh shade tree committee. Karen. >> Yep. >> Good. Okay. Sustainability committee. Karen. >> Yep. >> Comfortable. Okay. Uh trust fund commission. Chuck. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. All right. Now, these ones we do not have uh particularly a representation, but we we've we've put ourselves into some of these. Um, board of assessors, we typically don't. Um,

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board of health and board of trustees. Mark, you've been >> I've been involved. >> Yeah, they I'm more than willing if someone else wants to be their point of contact. >> Mark, you want health as well? >> I I'm their point of contact, but if you

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want to take it. >> I think you're doing a great job. Um, you know, it might be time we we think about putting a representation or at least liaisoning with the cemetery commission. I I don't there's a lot going on. H >> I do that. >> Yeah,

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where >> they've been good to come for coming to us too. >> Yeah. So, I think I will just keep those unless you think we need someone representation. >> I think communication's been pretty good as it is. >> I communicate with them a fair amount. >> I was going to say it's it's Mark's there. >> Yeah,

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>> Marks at Defense. >> It's just an important >> and a lot of it comes through pincom. A lot of what we get from that is through pincom. we uh that that pool of money is becoming more and more important as we it's used for amazing things for the community. So um

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>> all right we have Council on Aging Housing Subcommittee. >> I don't know there's such a thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's scratched. Uh housing authority. >> That was Matthew, right? >> That was Matthew. >> Actually Matthew's an elected official. >> Matthew's elected from that.

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>> That is what it is then. Uh insurance advisory committee. I didn't even know this was >> I don't think we had anybody on there. >> No, I don't think we need to. Um, Littleton MBTA Commuter Rail Advisory Committee. I get every one of their emails. >> I've dealt with a little bit. >> That's not This is when we were talking

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about the station, isn't it? Not >> Keith and I I think this started back when Keith and I were doing stuff at the station. Exactly. Expanding. >> I I Yeah, I don't know that that's still a committee. >> I don't think it really is. >> Okay. >> All right. We're holding we're going to

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remove any leaison with it. Uh zoning board of appeals we typically don't have a member representing. Uh any interest in jumping in with those people or Okay. Um

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disability commission. Uh I obviously was just appointed. We do not have representation there, but I'm I'm on it as a citizen at large. Uh, so I guess that's a member that um Littleton Community Television Advisory Committee for the

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ULCTV. That's I've been on it um as a citizen at large there as well. So, but I'm I'm open if somebody's really interested in it. >> I mean, it there's a little bit of a learning curve there. So, if you're comfortable staying

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>> Yeah. No, I I thoroughly enjoy it. It's a um great great department obviously. Hi guys. But um I will stay with them. Um affordable housing. >> That's me. >> Trust fund. Yep. You'll stay. >> Yep.

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>> Okay. Um committee for the exploration of real estate tax relief for seniors one and two. >> You and I, right? >> Yeah. We've been on this uh committee. We haven't met. We're we're in a we're in a situation now uh where we we met

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ge almost twice a month for a while then we went to once a month. Uh we tried to get information out really about all the programs that are available um >> other communities. >> Yeah. That other communities are using um for tax relief for seniors, different programs that we have in town. Um we had

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sessions at lunchons. So I think now we're at a point of we're going to meet as needed. So, I I don't want to remove that committee yet because I think to me as as new uh state state law comes out maybe gives us more options to help

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>> and we've got a little bit of um done a little bit with the legislative legislature. Um so, we'll see. >> I'm comfortable staying there. >> Okay. Thank you. Um >> you stay on >> Yeah, I will. Thank you.

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Uh economic development committee. I'm going to fall on a sword here, but I think that this is an important one to re-engage and and you know, kind of it's almost like the phoenix out of the ashes to bring this back because I think that with the 550

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and um Northern Mega Trust doing their development and who knows what McGovern's going to do with the Donland site, >> the common convenience. So, there's there's a lot going on. I I um I'm I've been remiss, frankly. Um lost a lot of

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members and um I'd like to try to in maybe two of us could jointly build this. >> Yeah. >> Mark keeps looking at kind of >> Yeah, I know. I believe the uh Hey, say something. >> Yeah,

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>> I'd be willing to do it, too. Um if I don't know what your if you don't want to do it, Chuck. No, I I I actually really do. >> Yeah, I was I was trying to kind of gauge your interest based on >> I am very interested in it. Yeah. And I think it's something that um you know, it has I want to re-engage with it and

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um have talked to some other communities and and just where we're at right now. I think this is pretty important and I'd like to be part of it. >> Great. Thank you. >> So, we got to fight it out or >> You're welcome to it. Oh, >> how gracious of you. Yeah, >> I'll do it with you, Chuck. All right.

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Great. Thanks, Scott. >> Um, build that get that commercial business in town. >> Exactly. >> Shaker Lane building committee. So, this is uh >> Mark and I >> Yeah, you and Mark. So, you guys are going to stay with that? >> I think we just Yeah. >> Yeah. Um,

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then we have our transportation divine 3 council one and two. >> I think that's not defunct. >> Yeah. All right. We won't. >> All right. There's nothing that we're not like >> anything else you guys think we need to

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be involved in that are not or is it on this list or do you think we need representation to >> well we need to do the newsletter who's writing >> yeah so I you know I don't know if we can put that in here um >> and are you continuing doing the podcast

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or do you want to hand that off or >> either >> yeah I mean that wasn't that wasn't a select board official thing I think if you were >> you were all invited to co-host anytime time you wanted. >> You were. >> Yes, you were. >> You don't want me in front of the camera too much. >> I usually put my invitations on the

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fridge, Karen. >> I have a limited limited shelf life. >> So, >> if you need help, I'm happy to. I didn't know there was an open >> I'll be a guest. >> Yeah, do it. >> Um, >> great.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah, >> we'll get more. I think it was the first year, so let's I think we can really build upon it. I think it's it is definitely um something that reaches more of the community and and touches a lot of people that typically wouldn't watch this,

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>> right? >> Um so and it's a it's a good synopsis and you do have some some great guests on too that >> that are critical to the times and what's going on. So >> So um and then for the newsletter I mean it's not you're right it's not a liaison

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but we do need to figure it out. I think >> um I mean you did it as chair. I mean I can do it as chair unless somebody >> like his chair as well. >> Mark did it as chair and we sort of worked together on it when I was vice and >> it's the newsletter.

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>> I did it and Mark still helped. >> But then you guys are pointing at me. I'll make sure it gets done. Thank you. >> And see who's retired. >> Just need a exactly. >> All right. >> I count two.

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There's the editorial staff right there. If you're stuck, I mean, just you can't do it. >> Yeah. I mean, >> that's >> we did that a lot. >> Like, I don't have time. Can you write something and vice versa? >> Okay. And >> a lot of times just getting somebody else to start. >> Yeah.

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>> Helps you finish. Sure. >> So, >> yeah. >> Got it. >> Let us know. I throw something out that um the employee appreciation committee within the town hall is is >> we've talked about recognizing employees and that kind of thing. I'm not saying

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that we have to put our thumb on it, but it I think wouldn't be a bad idea for one of us to be with them just to find out, you know, so that we know when something's going on for employee appreciation so we can be present or we can support it, >> be put on the mailing list basically.

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>> Yeah. I mean, Jim's pretty much in tune with that group. I we could ask for more updates, I guess, >> considering we're going to do an emphasis on um spotlighting the departments or different employees and things of that nature. Um I can absolutely uh when that

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comes up to make sure Nancy circles in with the select board. >> That'd be great. >> Yeah, >> that's a good idea. >> Thanks, Jim. Um anything else? Good. >> All right. Yeah. >> Don't need a motion. >> You can make people in the audience want

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to speak better in the front row. >> Oh, please come on up. >> Do you have employee appreciation cookout or anything like that? >> No. >> Would Rotary like to be involved in that? >> We do have

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We have that annual. Well, we we there's a number of different things throughout the year like Halloween party, Christmas party, things of that recognizing that. But every summer we usually have a barbecue that is in the parking lot between the library uh and the center on

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Shadic Street. And this year that's going to be I believe July 29th 30th 29th 30th >> 30th >> um and uh where it's really just the employees coming in and uh employees

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from different departments that are that are not here housed here will drop by uh and uh and the select board is there and uh absolutely >> that's a draw >> if Rotary can help. No, I'd love it to be a, you know, even there's nothing

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wrong with having two two events for employees, you know, maybe a fall thing, a fall fest or something. >> You guys can come up with something. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. That's very power. >> Thank you.

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>> We need a dunk tank. >> Why does she look at me when she says that? >> Is that you or is that me? >> No. Okay. >> Yeah, we'll do a blind survey. All the department head has >> we can raise money. I'll get in the tank. >> Absolutely. 50th row. I'm good with that.

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>> 50th row. >> Doug's throwing a bunch of money down with the coast in the tank. >> Let us know what we can do. >> Mortgage my house. >> Thank you. >> Wow. That's right. >> All right. Um All right. Well, thank you

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guys uh for continuing and adding on. We do need a motion. Okay. Yes, sir. Thank you. I'm going to look for the motion. >> Move the select board vote to resign the committee member leaison and representatives per the discussion at the June 22nd select board meeting. >> Second

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>> moved by Mark second by Kyle. All those in favor. >> Thank you. All right. We are >> say July 30th through here. >> Yes. >> Um flock. >> Okay. We're moving on to the uh more

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flock discussion, camera discussion. Um >> we have Tom Harrington on. Um >> okay. So we we um select words continued uh discussion of our own research behind the scenes. Uh everyone's kind of been doing their own thing and we get

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together at these obviously this meeting and discuss more. Town council has been a little bit more involved but this one specifically uh we're going to talk more about the one at the point. So that's in the agreement that's in place. It is a the

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camera does not fall in with the rest of them. It's not at the same contract. It's um and it's so it's a little bit different, but I think um it warrants our discussion and what where the way forward potentially that we can move this and that's why we have

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town council so we can discuss that as well. So um Tom, you thank you for being here. I know you shared some findings with us. um you emailed out to all of us. So, um I don't know if there's something you

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want to kick off to talk about what you thought. >> Well, so yeah. So, so we we've been through a couple of iterations. Oh, by the way, uh my name is Tom Harrington. I'm uh town council for the town of Littleton, and it's nice to see you all tonight. Um,

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so what you have before you tonight is a um gift agreement wherein Sam Park would um gift to the town $3,000 a year and in return

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um the town would have installed and would monitor a flock camera or what we refer to as the flock safety hardware on the property located at 812 Constitution Avenue in Littleton. Um,

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you know, the the agreement kind of spells out essentially that the police control the data. Sam doesn't have access to the data. Um, and I but I think the question before the board is so since it's a gift, it would be

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incumbent upon the select board to accept the gift. Um and if you do then we would have you authorize Jim to sign on behalf of the town. Um but recall you know we went through this issue at town meeting where town meeting there was

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originally um I think uh five cameras plus this or maybe six cameras plus this. and town meeting voted to amend uh the appropriation to the police department in a way that they couldn't

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use um available funds for the flock contract. So we would be down to having a single flock contract or flock hardware installation um and it would be uh all based upon a gift from Sam Park. So, that's that's

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where we are and but happy to I know you guys are all thinking about it in a lot of different ways and uh happy to discuss and answer any questions to the best of my ability. >> Yeah. And just so the community knows and I I don't Doug, I don't I I've been spun up on this a little bit. Uh that

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particular camera has not been utilized. >> We're not using we're not using the cameras. >> Yeah. So, it's um and talking to the current chief, Chief Patterson, um he said it will not be utilized until the

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select board makes decisions and policy decisions. So, that's why um and Karen, thank you for bringing this to the um to the front, this this particular one. So, um I I'm open to discussion uh or questions of town council as well. Sure. >> If you will.

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>> Uh just an initial question. Are we confident that the $9,000 covers um if the contract is changed to one camera? >> So, it's a it's a good question. I believe it's covered, but um we can circle back with flock and make sure

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that's the case. >> Sometimes it you know those the price changes based on how many we've got on the contract. They had priced it out on a on a per camera basis and I didn't see anything in the contract that >> 10 for one, >> you know, put an additive on for a

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single contract, but we can double check with them. >> All right. >> Who is the contract currently with? >> Like what do you mean >> currently with? Well, Sam Park Company. >> No. So the contract would be between

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Littleton Police Department and um Flock. >> It would be or it is currently >> Well, there is a contract, but it's currently not funded. >> So the current contract covers this camera in addition to all the other cameras. I think that's cause

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>> that's what I'm asking. Yes. >> The separate contract. >> Correct. >> The camera that that camera is a separate contract. >> It is. There are two there are two contracts. One of which touched upon the five or six town council was referring to ear earlier which is which has been

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unplugged. >> Y >> uh and then this is a standalone independent one that originated prior to the LWD ones >> on at least the agreement side from Sam Park reaching out because of the event

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that happened up there. >> Well, there's a few events but the city >> daily. So that's reiterating Kyle's question. is that separate contract is with who are the parties in that contract? >> I believe it's fluck >> and nope it would be it because the the

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private entity can have nothing to do with this. It's a matter of as Mr. Park had said from the very beginning you the the data and the control and everything is on the Littleton Police Department. I'll pay for it. >> That's it. That was

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>> the current contract has Littleton as the police department. >> That would be that. Yes. >> Now I is Mr. Parks I know I wish he was here. Um just obviously his interest in protecting his businesses to the utmost and that's why

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this part of why this whole thing stemmed up some of the things that were going on on his property. But >> correct. >> I' I mean I'd like to potentially have him >> discuss with us what his thoughts are. I mean as part of the discussion on the need for that particular camera where it

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is. I mean that that would help me understand. I mean we've removed or we've shut off basically all the other cameras but I am sensitive to the me personally. I'm sensitive to that particular camera, the onepoint access to that,

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our commercial hub basically right now um in Littleton and um and what would be his plan if we just said no, you're not we're not using that camera. >> What would be his concern? What would be his plan? I mean, what's his next

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>> If I'm I'm sure he would he would concur with the board. I mean this was this was originated because of the lewd event that took place in addition to the the burning of all the Tesla and and and

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things of that nature. So, um, but it was really the the LWD event that that really he was insensed about and and reached out to me and said, "I want to I want to be able to do something." And, um, and this was, uh, the conversation that ensued with the flock camera uh,

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for that. Uh, and but if he would if if it's the wish of the select board, I'm sure he would he would say, "Okay, fine." But >> he would like to do something to make people feel a little safer there.

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>> Okay. I mean, what do you the how's the board feel about what what separates this camera or should it be? I mean, we're still working to decide if we can create some type of a policy for control of data and all all of those concerns public and and our concerns too. Um,

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is that camera different or I mean or are we just going to we need to remain it? it gets kind of lumped in with the other ones until we can figure out what we want to how we want to move forward if at all. >> I'll go first. But I do think this camera is different and that it's on private property.

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>> That's that is certain. >> So So that makes the camera different. >> That doesn't mean that we don't follow the same policy on the use of the data that we would have on a public camera and that we need that policy before this

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camera would be turned on. Right. But the but the camera itself is is drast is different because you are on >> private property. Yeah. >> So, and I I guess these type of cameras

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um the the photographic piece is, you know, I would use it. It's probably the ones that you see where it doesn't involve the police in some communities is where uh communities have a mall and they have a security office and they're the ones that have

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the data and their flock flock is feeding their data and they're in control. So that's what Sam Park doesn't have a security office up there. He doesn't have a team up there. And that's why I think the origins of this were I'm not going to put a security office

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in. It's right there. If you guys want to monitor it, please. >> Even if you didn't have a security office up there, he would still have the ability to if he's got he has a management team for the for the area that they would have access or they would be be able to see. Um, and he

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wanted nothing of that. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely everything for the police department. >> Okay. >> I guess I'm I'm not quite understanding that. I mean, private businesses are responsible for the security on their private property. Typically, I'm I'm I'm

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just sort of fundamentally at odds with this idea that a private business can say the safety of my property is now the town's concern. um and I'm not going to do anything about, you know, security on my property unless the town is also

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going to um put in manpower on it. I I fundamentally have a problem with that. Um I also question, you know, who else are we willing to cover? We've got a huge development coming into town. If the new developer

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says, "Well, yeah, you know, I don't want to monitor my own cameras either." Well, they can't the the the with the flock they the they can't from what I gather if I I'll look to town council but with the the the

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data and the activity that it's only overseen by a a law enforcement agency if am I correct Tom? >> Yeah, that's correct. because of the I I believe it's because of the the license plate reading technology that it it can

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only be accessed by a um >> law enforcement agency >> police department. >> So then I'm confused as how a private business entity was able to procure a flot camera unless it was with in a in an agreement with the police department at the time

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that basically said, "Hey, if I add this one more flot camera and I pay for it, will you monitor it?" >> It's not monitored. It's only looked at if >> if something happens. Sure. Something happens. >> It's never been used. >> Well, if it's on, it's being used.

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>> But they're saying it hasn't been I don't believe it's ever been used. Has >> it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's not monitor. My understanding is it's more of an investigative tool after the fact um that an incident would occur and there

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might be some recourse afterwards that we could you know identify suspects and and things like that and get property back if stolen and more as an investigator. >> So so to Karen's point if you know uh Mr. Le came in front of us and said we'd

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like to put Flock cameras over there. Um are we wanting to do it? If Amazon came in front of us and said, "We want the clock cameras over there, >> are we going to do it?" >> Well, on 550 King Street, we have public private. Like, those roads are going to be >> They're private. It's not They're all private.

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>> Yep. >> The entire complex is private. There's no plan for any public road over there. >> No, we in order for us to get the um Massware grants, we had to have skin in the in the infrastructure. I mean I even that being

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said I I think you know this is one of those I you know I talk about ballot because the best way for our community to be able you know and it can be a survey question to the it would help me as a public official to you know we we hear we've we've had people in front of

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the camera talk about you know and at town meeting but what happened at town meeting and I'm very cognizant of the fact typically when we bring something to town meeting that's a warrant discussion. You have a presentation of

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the positive and the negative. Well, all we got there was the removal of a budget and we didn't there was no other discussion. And that's that's what's missing in this whole this whole picture. So, um, it's something though that I think if we got in front of this

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with a a survey question on the ballot, and I I'll let our clerk maybe speak to that, where you have the and I've seen it with other things, those that have been here, the you have the one page the positive about something and then the whole other page is the negative and

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then you vote. And it's not it doesn't hold any bearing, you know, as to what we're going to do, but it helps the public officials get an idea of where the community kind of sits on any given thing. And I think that might be an avenue that we we

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pursue with something like this. Um because I know we all have our reservations and I we could we absolutely can keep this locked down forever, you know. I mean, if we cannot find a way to control, you know, get a high level of confidence that the the

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data is being controlled, um, and whether that's through our police department, because it see it seems like our community has a much higher level of trust in our police department than it would any outside agency. But um what's the process of them sharing that

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information with other um you know officials if you will you know fed be it federal or state or whatever. Um and that's what interests me. If we are going to have it then how much control a does the select board

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potentially have over that or what's the process that the police department has to go through before they release anything? what's the notification to us or to the town manager, town assistants, town administrator's office? I don't that's the type of stuff outside of the data and I know you brought some

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of the data concerns that um can the data be sold and you know for every pause negative thing I see online which I hate being the Google guy but um you can find the positive. It's harder but you can find the stuff that debunks the some of the hysteria behind it. Um, and

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I'm seeing more and more of that. And, you know, I was looking at Waltham recently just had a a very serious incident where they used their flock to the assist in the arrest of of somebody. So, and we all know that there's positives to everything. It's it's the

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the deep negative that we have to weigh, right? Um, I mean, the five of us have to weigh. Is the public safety partially used to this? Does it thoroughly outweigh the negative potential of this? >> I mean, outside of taking flock out of

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it, I'm concerned about setting the precedent that if any private business owner, let's say the town says we're we're okay with flock. If we do this, I think it sets the precedent that any private business owner, if you want the police department to have, you know,

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investigative access, just fund a flot camera. And then, not that I'm saying we're going to monitor it 24/7. I know that's not what we would be doing, but it sets a precedent for future private uh developments to save. >> Is that a bad thing? >> Why not have them fund their own closed

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circuit TV cameras instead? >> They can fund their own flock cameras. I'm not I'm not understanding the idea that >> they can't. >> Yes, they can. HOAs have flock contracts. >> Private banks have flock contracts. >> I don't know why Sam Park couldn't have a flock contract.

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I mean, that doesn't make me feel any better. Okay. So, I mean, the public sitting here, we don't like it or we like it, but now they're all over every, you know, >> I mean, it's right here on their website. >> I think to your point, we need more information to make >> We do. That's where we're working through. I just think this was a discussion that >> because that camera is se

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>> Yeah. I mean, >> you're right. You you mentioned it to me. Well, what if what if we put one up, you know, at same, you know, all the different private places and that same question, >> right? you know, then the the counter argument was okay, then that's it's because it's

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the I was concerned also about the resourcing and all of that. >> Um, but from what I've seen that it's been used for um and I've seen the negative that stuff that it can be used for as well, but um potentially. But the

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positives are something happens. A a identification of a vehicle, be it somebody got a picture of the back of a vehicle or a witness. That vehicle goes from here to Northern New Hampshire.

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You punch in a license plate in the computer and it ping ping ping ping ping ping ping. You can see where that car has been and where it where it was last seen. And it's >> But you shouldn't be able to if our policy says we're not sharing the data. >> Correct. So this is and here's the

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>> the that's the >> and honestly there's no need for a flaw camera at at the point there needs a closed circuit camera. There doesn't need to be >> an a license plate reading camera. >> And Karen and I talked a little bit about that and you know we we talked to

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Chief Patterson um over the summer to have him come in or part of his his team come in and discuss closed circuit. you know whether we have to get a professional here with them just to discuss the closed circuit that Littleton would obviously have full

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access to and why what's the negatives to it the resourcing of something like that obviously that's a live video the storage of that information how far back it can reach um things like that but just I I'm dumb to it and I and I just

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want to see personally what CCTV is compared to the flock when it comes to protecting Littleton citizenry, um their data and their, you know, liberty. That's that's kind of where I'm at with CCTV. And if if it's a good

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replacement as far as that goes, um great. It's probably not going to help uh state police or federal law enforcement do what you know can do in an instant, but relative to keeping Littleton safe in

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our community. I think that that it could be a viable option. I just don't know. And that's why I wanted a a presentation over the summer to kind of see the two. So the other question is if we're going to let's just say we throw a flock out and we're doing a closed circuit camera camera should are we

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opening up the police department to providing services for all businesses for closed circuit? >> I don't I don't think so. I mean I think in an investigation I would have to assume that the police department would go to the owner of the data and say hey do you have the tapes for this?

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>> Right. But are we going to say that, you know, if you give us money, we will be monitoring these cuz we're setting a president with us for Sam Park. >> I see what you're saying. >> Well, we we haven't yet. >> Yes. >> I I think we're not going to take public

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comment yet. If we do, >> no comments. It's a question. >> Sure. >> Um, this was taken this morning at town and in the town center. That's a camera. What is that? >> It's right next to the right across the street from the Baptist. just

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>> actually on the side. Go and ask Doug. Maybe he can identify it. >> Um um looks like my trail cam in my backyard. Um, >> and I also would be concerned

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wherever this flock thing goes, if we approve this today within a town meeting or wherever we had the discussion of the a yay or nay to flock, if we say no, then all of these cameras are essentially they need to be removed

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anyway, right? So, >> just don't know that that's the appropriate >> Yeah, I don't I'm not in a rush to like rip them off the polls or anything. I I think that there could come a time for that. We don't know. I don't know what the future brings here because I don't have enough knowledge and I don't know,

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you know, is federal the federal part going to get more control over this or are we going to just completely say no more private contracts for with this type of data or those are the things I think that the community brought to us that their serious concerns were, you

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know, outside of data liberty. I mean, it was a pretty good list. So, we're not we're not going to turn these this camera is not being turned on today. I mean, I don't we didn't put it on here to vote. It's a discussion. >> I I don't think I'm I'm not comfortable

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saying that that camera is a go because we don't have a policy on other >> Right. Right. >> So, it's just it's going to sit there until we can figure out how to manage the rest. >> My concern, the reason that I brought this forward, and you're right, the timing isn't right to make a decision on this camera. But

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>> so far, the discussion has been surrounding all the other cameras except the Sand Park camera. And so I wanted us to start filling in the discussion on the sand park >> private property once um they potentially >> and do it in a public way so that you know we can we can continue that discussion but certainly no I wouldn't

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expect us to make any decisions about this right now. Um I just I just keep coming back to why p why why why is the public involved in this? Um, I

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I would have concerns if I were somebody who was vehemently against block cameras and my town and we had made clear that we didn't want flot cameras funded publicly and the town entered into a bunch of private agreements to get them

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gifted. I would >> circumvent I would feel undermined. Um, and so that's the other part of this that you know I think we need to think through carefully. Yeah, I agree. >> Tom, I have a couple questions with with

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for you specifically on the agreement. Um, on item three, it say the last line says um until the April 2. So, I understand I'm known circumstances allowed until April 29th unless the town's contract with

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flock is terminated early or renewed. Is that or renewed or not renewed? So, it could So, you've got a three-year contract. >> Yep. >> You have the right to terminate early if you choose to. >> Yep. >> Or you So, by renewed, we mean enter

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into another contract for the same purpose. >> So, if we renew it, then >> this extends. That's where, >> you know, we do a three-year contract and then we would do another three-year contract >> or a different length of time if you so

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if you chose to do so. >> Okay. It just it's it's kind of confusing on how that's worded for me at least. And then item four says we're under no obligation to replace hardware that's lost, stolen, or damaged.

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>> Is is anyone under obligation? And if their hardware is lost, stolen, or damaged, is he under obligation to continue paying us the gift. So if it's um >> well, I guess in the first instance, we don't have to replace it if it's lost,

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stolen, or damaged. >> Yep. >> If Right. If um Sam Park chooses to replace it, then we would continue with our side of the agreement.

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Is that your question? Let's say that Sam Park signs the agreement and then tomorrow someone damages the camera and Sam Park chooses not to talk to Flock about getting a new camera. >> Is he still liable to pay us the

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remaining money? I don't think he is. If he's not if it's not if he's not getting the service now. >> So, how is where I don't know how he gets out of it though? That's the question then, right? If the camera's no longer operational, >> right?

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>> He there's no out for him. >> You want to build in an out for him? Well, no, but uh but if the camera's not operational, I don't know how he's going to why he's going to continue to pay. We're going to be in this weird situation. So,

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>> is the concern that somebody damages the camera or the camera is damaged and then we are still on the hook for the remaining let's say 6,000 and Sam Park isn't >> not being used. When am I going to pay? Yeah. Yeah. We would k but we would we have the ability to terminate the

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contract with 30 days notice throughout the >> Okay. >> And we don't have to return an operable camera to them or anything. >> That's comfortable. >> Um >> uh I'm not I don't think so. And well in fact I think insurance would cover it but I'll I will check into that. That's

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a good point. >> There's insurance too. Yeah. >> Our insurance or his insurance? >> His insurance. >> Um Okay, the other thing. So I what do you guys think of this that early discussion I had with um

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a we all have very strong opinions on this and I I know and it both ways and I you know I'm kind of I get both in my own household I have we're split on on you know whether we're leaning this way the other way but I think

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this is for me and it's I'm not passing the buck but I I the you know the 21 individuals well actually it was I don't know what the percentage of the vote was but they were there it didn't have

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information on what exactly flock is the positives versus the negative we didn't have a we weren't able to have a discussion I think I'd rather get that in front of a large group through community engagement and then at a ballot

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which is not bi you know binding by any means but it's it gives us more information right to see okay well here's you know, the public is obviously very much against this, which I I I sense it probably is. Um, and it's why we're not sitting here voting to turn them on. We

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we we're listening, but it's I just don't I don't know. I didn't know what a flock camera was until early before that meeting, you know, maybe a week. So, um, and shame on me,

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but, um, I think we have a lot more work to do as a board. Like I said, the CCTV having, uh, the police come in and give us, um, potentially some options that we have much more control over, data and,

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uh, information, and it still doesn't solve, you know, your civil liberty questions. A lot of people have that and I I truly believe me understand that. But I also know just me carrying around this I can be found anywhere in the universe. So you know you're being

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tracked but I think that technology is there's enough out there proven that it can be dangerous especially in the hands of a private entity right the private ownership of that's the concern. So I think if you

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put this out to a a v a vote yeah >> it's going to you're going to I it's going to majority are not going to support it. I'd be willing to bet it's at least 60 to 70% are going to say we don't want any cameras. So, um, so

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>> people spoken, >> but that doesn't solve the problem that we're trying. Well, it solves one of the problems with Sand Park, but right, we say no, we're not supporting a flaw camera, but we still are back to square one of him not having cameras, right?

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>> And how we how we help, >> which we pushed him to install, right? He needs security there. This was the quick and dirty solution to get there. The question is, do we want this solution or some other solution,

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>> right? Or and how we get to another solution. >> Yeah. I mean, we're blessed that I know it's a traffic nightmare there a little bit sometimes, but one egress in and out in a major commercial area hub of a town is a pretty good thing to have when it

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comes to security. And we just haven't, you know, and I it's just how do we or he move forward? uh and this was this was his way to move forward and I think the chief uh chief Bernard at that time was like this is a great this is a good

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great plan we'll be able to you know monitor when something happens we can time stamp something see what happened boom and figure it out but we've dug a little deeper in this and it goes can get much more darker than just that so I don't have an answer to

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besides bringing it's not the only private mall if you in the state. So, what are they what's everybody doing? >> They have their own cameras and they monitor them >> through a security office, right? >> Through a security office, whether they're flock or >> Yeah. I don't know if that but that's

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not making anyone in the public feel. >> Yeah, Mr. Sanders, I was just reminded that you had your hand up. We'll take take a comment on this. We're saying 672 great road. Uh Mr. Chairman, uh

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uh this matter is is something that um I certainly uh have some uh strong feelings about. First of all,

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the town is a entity of itself. Mr. park complex up there is another entity. It's a private entity. I don't think the town need to be doing

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anything for that private industry over there. He donating $3,000 is a way to say, "Okay, well, I'll donate this. You can buy a camera. You know, you can monitor and so forth." We

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we don't need to be doing his work. Let him spend the money to put in his security like other malls have in the state of Massachusetts. They got their own security that's patrolling. There's no reason for the town to get

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mingle into something like this with him or either with 550 or 410. If we're going to put something in, first and foremost, we the citizen of this town should have known

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as to what was coming about and we should have been told about and not found out at the town meeting when someone says, "No, we're not going to fund it." That was wrong

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to the citizen in this town. First and foremost, you have to justify the security that you're wanting to put in the town. And we the citizens needs to understand it fully as to why you're

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putting this in. >> We're working on it >> so that we know what is going on and we can support what we think that you're saying that we need here as a community. And unless you get that down patent and

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telling us first and foremost why we need it, that's the first thing before we start talking about any funding. But when it come to these private entities, no, the town should not be involved. >> Thank you.

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>> With it. Thank you. >> I I think you know George brings up points. We've we've heard that sentiment from I I just think this board we don't have the luxury necessarily to come from that voice completely. We have to weigh public safety

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versus liberty in some regards which is really what we're talking about here. But I'm not looking at the point as something special or you should have cameras over the point. I don't want them. That doesn't help my comfort level of the public safety of our people that

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are work going and moving up there. They can just he can just say no, we're not doing anything, right? He could. That doesn't make that doesn't solve some of the issues we've had up there. And I I would think that it's not going to solve some of the issues that we're going to have on the Loli property once we have

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that. >> Go ahead. I just kind of had some comments I wanted to say, but on the tail end of what you're saying there, there there was nothing nefarious by Chief Bernard >> getting on board and and saw the

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positives, saw this as an asset and and an an aid to his department to be able to protect our citizenry and the the 50,000 people that come through Littleton on a daily basis. Um, so I I just

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I I think of my younger days there was a drug called Bio that was a wonder drug for my osteoarthritis and just you I felt like a million bucks. Um, then they said, "Yeah, stop taking the bio because we just found out that that kills you.

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So that's bad." And I kind of feel like that's sort of the same conversation here. clock. It was it was sold as this great aid >> to law enforcement >> and um we're starting to peel the onion a little bit and see that maybe it's not

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the greatest thing in the world, but maybe maybe there is something else that's going to come down the road that >> will be that that tool that law enforcement can use and it has proven to be effective. the Brown shooting. I mean, there's um

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>> I've seen >> there's Yeah, there's there's a lot of positive which I believe Chief Bernard is that's what he was looking at and that's kind of the bill of goods that he's he he bought and um as our chief law enforcement officer and our senior

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law enforcement officer in Littleton, I mean, I trust every one of our department heads. I trust that they're in that position because they're the professional and um so I I trust that he made that decision. based upon the information that he had and um I just don't want people going down that road

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where um we we bamboozled anybody and trying to find out his misjud his his lack of judgment in this was not informing the five board members up here of giving us a presentation so we fully understood it and we could have had the debate they probably

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>> we'd be having this debate >> however long ago >> six months ago. >> Yeah. So I I agree there was nothing nefarious. Can I put Lieutenant on the spot? Sure. >> You stayed here. You're in trouble. >> I don't know what you're doing. I can help.

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>> Do we have contracts with other private entities where we're monitoring their cameras? >> No, not that I believe. No. Um, you know, and the the cameras, you know, as an investigative tool, as I know it, as I understand, uh, with Flock is, you know, the benefit to it is of that that

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Flock system of, you know, Groten has it, Air has it in the sharing. and you can find someone who does a crime in Littleton and goes back to Connecticut and the investigative tool of that. So there are cameras at the point if there's a crime at Market Basket or a medical at Market Basket, we we go and

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we work with our Market Basket private partner and we get the video and they put it on hard drive and they give it to our detectives and we we eventually get it. It's just this is a they're not plate readers so they're not tracking they're not giving the demographic kind of residential area of things like that

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from like a video here. So, it just it's a faster, expedient tool for us to to work through some of the issues that we find in law enforcement. Um, with the sharing aspect of it, uh, the pictures of the vehicles, sometimes the cameras, the cameras are good. They got nice clear video. Um, and sometimes all the

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businesses don't have that. So, uh, we do, you know, go and get the video, but it's that type of crime where, you know, an elderly person drives off and we want to know which direction they went. We can we can say, "All right, they're they're gone this way." or or god forbid a kidnapping. And we're looking just

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really to get ahead of those things really fast, real quick. Uh it's the benefit of the tool. Um versus having to, you know, sorry, my manager is not in today. I can get you that video on Tuesday and you know, we run into that and on Tuesday sometimes is some

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sometimes too late. So, um that's what to speak to that. So to say more positives on the flock, if this contract is for one camera and with just and it's isolated, then why isn't Sam Park just

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paying for it and then we sign a contract or an agreement with Sam Park where he forks over his rights to the cameras to just the police department. So now we don't have to worry about, you know, Sam Park doing whatever he wants

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with the data. We're more protected in our use of the data, right? Because we can control it. We can put the camera in a way that it only can see thing people going in and out of the point and nothing on 119. And then that would actually be better because you can't

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stop Sam Park from putting up a flock camera. >> As I know it, he wanted nothing to do with the access of the of the information. He was happy. He knew the other ones were going in. He was happy to, you know, help us out. So the question is, is there any reason that this contract with Flock is with Littleton rather than with Sam Park?

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>> That's >> other than Sam Park not wanting that >> uh not wanting the camera or the data >> not wanting to access. >> Yeah. He he understood the the license plate reader and the information that was given wasn't something that you know

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it was something he understood the police department should control. >> Right. And >> the chief penn made it perfectly clear to me. It has to be the contract has to be with the law enforcement agency. That's where he explained it to me. It can't be with Sam Park. It can't be with a private entity because there's no

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control. I I'm just repeating what what I was what I was told which >> maybe it's because municipalities will only set their settings to only share with other municipalities, for example, and not with private entities. And so >> I'd have to look into

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>> it could be it could be a matter of you know who they how useful it is in terms of the network that would make sense but um >> can I jump in? >> Yes. >> So yeah, so I and I've never talked to the people at Flock um and it would be

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interesting to do so and I'd be happy to do so. But so what they're doing is they're taking a picture of a vehicle and a license plate, right? Anyone can do that. That's that's nothing anyone needs special permission to do. I think

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at least in Massachusetts, what requires um LPD to be involved is the access to the registry of motor vehicles. Find out who owns that vehicle. Right? That's the piece that um

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needs to stay at least I think in Massachusetts with with the government entity. So, it's quite possible that Sam can have the the um the camera. He just can't use the data

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set for anything other than >> it'd be like us just taking a picture with our a camera of a car going by. We when we do with it, we we don't have any >> and the police can go the police can go and ask Sam for that information. Then the police can run the plate, right? But

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they can't but Sam can't run the plate basically, >> right? But I think it's I think part of the flock feature is the instantaneous nature. You know, they have I think they call them hot lists where you know a list of stolen cars or or you know

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people that the police are looking for and they're you know if they get a read on that plate then it pops something at the police station if the police station wanted to pop something to say this guy is now at the point. >> Yeah. There's a number of features too that Flock can do for you that we

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weren't going to opt into. Like for example, like there's some departments that right on their MDT and their cruiser, their their laptops, if I'm just on patrol on Goldsmith Street, it would just tell me a stolen car came into town or it would just tell all our officers that and we could all go or

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there's a an Amberlar car in town or there's uh the plate reader. And those are options that we weren't going to opt into. our policy that we had written was more investigative and it was only our detectives dete detective sergeant had access to it. So if we had an incident

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that occurred, he alone would be going into that uh platform and and working through that investigation. Our patrol officers weren't going to get it like the immediate uh picture in the hot list and things like that that we're speaking to. Um but but yeah, just

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>> you know more to come. We're going to probably have you guys in front of us and >> I think it's a good opportunity. I'd be happy to come and speak to on it. I personally admittedly have to do a little bit more invest in investigating on it of the the the flock myself. I um you know I I have partners in the in the

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region that are use it and they they have success with it, but I'm totally understanding of the town side of it as well. So I think a public forum or some kind of town hall or something that we can all come together, everyone, all the stakeholders uh I'm happy to participate. So >> yeah, for sure. >> Thank you.

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>> Thanks. If I if I may through the chair, if I can ask the lieutenant. So to have that capability to understand when a stolen car came into the to the town limits >> or anything, we would get an alert.

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Isn't that why wouldn't a police department want to have that access? >> Yeah, it's a it's it's a good tool for us. I mean, it's just something um >> again, I think we're being sensitive to the town at the time. I think Chief Bernard was um you know kind of looking

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at that and and maybe trying to get ahead of some of this in some way. Um just kind of limiting the oversight or making sure the oversight was there, you know, and it was used the right way. But yeah, it's it's a it's a good tool. I mean, for example, like if we're if it

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was live monitoring, I'm sure if another town was looking for a vehicle and it came into our region, we would all be notified. and uh and obviously a good tool depending on the situation, but um happy to work with the town and figure out the best case scenario for the for

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the system if if we adopt it. Yeah. >> Thanks. >> Yeah, of course. >> Thanks for that. >> So, we're really this is just another cog in our discussion. I think we got to keep moving this forward and then we'll um >> uh I like I said >> you talked we're going to have a

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presentation over the summer >> um just more details on on some of the CCTV so we can ask some of those questions on other technology available that we can get away from the private piece to this but I don't know if that's

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going to happen anytime soon. So um all right any other Good discussion. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for >> I can provide one answer uh for a question mark asked. So the question if the if the flock hardware were stolen we

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are not required to replace it but if we want to reinstall the camera we would be required to pay for that. >> Okay. Okay. Um, and just let you know that uh, Attorney Harrington also he shared

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information with us of some communities that have passed bylaws. Um, so if we want to end up going that route, what the bylaws look like on No, basically how how you how we would craft language and things like that um, going

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forward. So, >> but it wouldn't affect this camera. >> Yeah, that was I guess we didn't ask, >> would it? If it were a town, >> your your your email uh you shared with us um of I forget the t one of the towns the bylaws that are being passed some

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communities in the state. >> Um does any of that involve private entity private um property? >> No, it only involves police access to the information. >> All right. Thank you. >> In in public with cameras that are

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placed in public, not on any private property. >> Right. Yeah. You could have cameras on. >> No, it can limit it can limit I think it can limit the police's ability to access the flock hardware system. >> Okay. >> Regardless of where the camera is placed.

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>> Thanks, Don. >> All right. Thank you. I think some of the community some of the deepest concerns are clock itself not being not a police uh you know. >> Exactly. >> All right. >> Thank you. Thanks, Tom.

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>> Okay. Good night everybody. Good night. >> Good night Tom. >> Good stuff though guys. Thank you. Good discussion. Um vote to authorize the town administrator to sign the intermunicipal agreement IMA with the town of Boxboro and Littleton

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Community Television. So I have that in front of me. I don't know if everybody's seen it. Um >> just if I may, Mr. Chairman, >> this is our is it annual? It's uh every three years. >> Every three years. That's right. Thank you. I should know that. >> But I would like to shout out to uh Mark

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Corey who did a uh who did a good job. Uh the the costs associated are a little tighter uh than they have been in years past. And uh it was as a direct result of Mark recognizing um a difference in personnel and that

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the salaries are different. They're lower of the people that are taking, you know, uh that are working down there. So that that is affecting the cost here. >> So Box Bar will be paying a little bit less than they have in years past. So >> uh kudos to Mark for uh for doing that.

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Um but uh uh Mark and I met with the assistant town administrator the other day quickly. He had uh possession of it uh well in advance. Uh he reviewed it with uh the town administrator there and members on the select board and uh it

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was acceptable to them. But I told him we would they're not meeting I believe and we're select board here Littleton select board is meeting first. So I said okay we'll put it on for that. So my concern

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is that not the not the actual amounts but the increases I don't think between the years are high enough right it's like a five or 6% increase which doesn't cover the cost increase for us right

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that's not covering the increase that the town will pay for a staff >> um with colola step health insurance retirement we're saying that is 6% per employee per year

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cost increase. That seems really low. >> Um, >> okay. Uh, >> and I'd like to have Mark Mark's going to come out and speak to this. >> There's also a um a clause in the

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contract that we can look at it each year. If we find that the costs aren't high enough, we can adjust it on the fly. So, we're not locked into those. Those are just based on numbers that accounting gave me for figuring out something.

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So, but if it goes up 20%, we can go to them and say it went up 20%. There's there's that option. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Mark. >> Yeah, that that is the big one, right? The the uh insurance

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>> as we all know. Any other discussion on that particular contract, the MOA or Boxboro? >> A lot of MOAs with Boxboro these days. >> IMOS. >> IMAS. >> Then

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move the select forward vote to authorize the town administrator to sign an intermunicipal agreement IMA with the town of Boxboro and Littleton community to legislate. Second. >> Move by Mark, say by Chuck. All those in favor? >> I. Thank you guys.

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Um they accept a letter from the park and recreation commission declaring a member vacancy and set a meeting date to make a joint appointment for a new member. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So they have a vacancy and we need to

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set a date to meet to appoint someone. >> Well, I believe Mr. Chairman that the date isn't set until there is a submission from any >> Okay, that's how was that was going to go on. Is there somebody that they want to meet for? >> No. >> Nothing yet. >> Not that I'm aware of. >> Okay. Say that again. No.

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>> So, if I may, they had to legally send you that letter stating that there was >> there was an opening. Okay. >> There was an opening because it is an elected position. Kate was elected. And so, they legally have to take that vote, sign it, and

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send it to you that there is a vacancy. The date that you make the um joint appointment is based on when you actually get um an application and there is at this point no application. So this can something we can actually put on this in any agenda on any

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>> correct when you when notified by exactly then >> that's not how we did it for the planning board vacancy right we said applications had to be due by >> well that's because it was based on um we knew that we had an application because we knew that um

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>> when Anna resigned we have three >> Margo >> Margo >> Margo thank you was applying so we We already knew that we had somebody who was going to apply for the position. We also knew that it was um we had a short window um in order to get that person

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into position in order to fulfill that you know three month >> yeah before the election >> very short time frame. >> This is um a little bit different because we do have until May of next year. However, they want to be able to try and find somebody. So, we need to be

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able to put that um out to the people so that somebody can actually apply sooner rather than later. Um, and we do have a little bit of time. Um, but you know, >> but we but shouldn't we set I I shouldn't we say that applications are accepted till July 15th.

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>> Yeah. Well, usually we say 21 days. >> So, from tonight that we're looking for applications, >> it's usually 21 days. So we are effectively setting them a date in a meeting and if there's no applications then we >> you would extend the yeah but the time

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frame for the applications is 21 days but the date of your meeting if you don't get any um >> doesn't mean that applications doesn't if you would set it a date >> okay >> 22 days from you know >> okay >> you wouldn't be able to do it so you

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might have to extend that application date Okay. So, but we are setting a date certain that applications are expected by >> when Yeah. when you put put out that application >> just like we um on all those vacancies. >> Mhm.

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>> You would put it at the bottom saying it's a joint appointment. >> I just didn't want to be first come first serve. There's a date. >> Yeah. 21 days. >> Okay. >> So, it'll go put up on the bulletin board and on the website tomorrow. Okay.

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Do we need to vote on this though? >> I don't I mean it's >> just >> we the joint we're going to request >> you're just accepting the letter from the parks and recreation that there is a vacancy and that it will be posted >> and that's their legal responsibility to us

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>> for joint us on notice. >> Yes. >> For a joint appointment. >> Okay. We don't there is no action until uh we have to make a decision. All right. Thank you. Um, next up, uh, town

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administrator update. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members of the select board, uh, couple of couple things here. Uh, TJ Maxx, speaking of the point, um, is opening a camera store at the end of by the end of July. Bad joke. Bad

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joke. Um, >> I know where you're going with that. TJ Maxx will be opening the realy TJ Maxx open at the end of July uh at the point and um what and Barnes & Noble is looking for opening in August.

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>> Push back a little bit >> a little bit. Uh DPW uh is going to begin their single streaming recycling on July 1st of this year and and also all departments will start their uh

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capital improvement plan. um uh for July 1st and that will be due at the end of uh July on July 31st uh as we go into the budget season. Yes, we are talking that already. We haven't even hit the new budget yet. Uh also some impressive

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things on behalf of the uh the the town of Littleton and just the way everyone really has uh through the select board, the finance committee, uh public employee retirement administration. It's al commission uh it's also referred to

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as perak and they are and they gave us their annual report saying uh the strong progress of of Littleton and let me just quote Littleton's funded ratio has increased significantly over the past several years rising from 44.1%

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in 2020 to approximately 79% today. This places the town among the stronger funded municipal OPED programs. OPED, for those of you that don't know that, uh, uh, is an acronym for other postemployment benefits. Uh, that's

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that's essentially retirees, uh, programs in Massachusetts. By proactively funding those these obligations today, Littleton helps protect future taxpayers, strengthens its long-term financial stability, and ensures that commitments made to current

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and future retirees can be met responsibly. So outstanding job by the by everybody here over over the years. Um we have uh Route 119 the 119 um bridge over 495

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>> as we know um going uh great road. Uh that is going to be DOT is working with LWD uh and and the town in regards to expansion of that and making a little bit wider and more friendly for pedestrian whether it be bicycles,

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walking, things of that nature and uh that that project uh continues to uh to move forward. >> What about the Montreal from the point to 550? >> Um subway. Yeah, >> it was not. >> No, it's going to be a subway. >> It was what they're doing at Stone

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Mountain. We're not doing it right now. >> You just keep asking like the like your aquatics are >> eventually come true. >> Um uh Mass DOT uh awarded uh a $96,690

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grant to relaunch the regional transportation program. It's the cross town connect that uh the town is familiar with. Uh it's uh connect transportation management association uh to relaunch its regional transportation program serving Actton conquered

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Littleton Mage Stow and so we're excited about uh about that. Um we also have uh as part of uh the project coordinator what we've done to enhance uh some outreach a number of different things especially highlighting the town. Uh

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Nancy has met uh with Tony in Ma Quarry about town of Littleton video. I know that there was one that was done some years ago. We want to just build build on that uh and uh freshen that up for and to put that out there. Uh we started

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employee profiles and assesses is going to be the first one for the social media in the newsletter. Uh sent out the 2026 town meeting feedback survey and uh we also created a business

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spotlight flyer and slashletter in which uh that I hand out as I go out to uh the businesses in in town. And I have uh scheduled I am scheduled to go out every week uh for approximately two hours with

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a designated area. Uh and this week it's Wednesday. Um and uh Nancy uh we also have our project coordinator going through the website pages to make corrections and enhancements. Uh also uh add uh social media enhancements to our

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N newsletter. And uh also and lastly uh Nancy has signed up for the Mass Municipal Association webinar, how to master a website refresh. So we're uh a lot of great stuff going on and we

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invite uh the select board to take a tour of the second floor. You all very very instrumental. >> I did I did take one. >> You did? >> Yeah, I >> Yeah. >> It's unrecognized. >> They're uh it's uh >> fresh paint everything. very

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appreciative. Uh the staff is great. >> The staff is very very happy and it's a it's it's a great working environment. It's it's it's fantastic and everyone wants to thank the select board for that for that support and that initiative on on your part. And that's it. >> Thank you. >> You should have Mr. Yanley on your

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podcast. Talk about the transfer station and the paving going around. >> Great idea. >> Yeah, >> maybe you should co-host. >> I think Kyle just volunteered. >> There we go. That's a great idea, too. >> It can be a be a comedy sketch.

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>> Um, >> third base. >> All right, we have minutes. Winding it up here, guys. Approved minutes for June 8th, 2026. >> Looking for discussion, corrections. >> Look, >> additions. >> Very good. Mhm.

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>> Move the se board vote to approve the meeting minutes from the sick board meeting on June 8th, 2026. >> Second move by Mark, second by Chuck. All those in favor? >> I. >> There's no other business. We will look for a motion to adjourn. >> Do we meet again before the 4th?

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>> Let's discuss really quick. >> Are we meeting before the 4th? We are meeting one more time. Correct. The 30th. >> Retreat and what item? the retreat and the chief choice. >> Yes. >> All right. So, what we what we have

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decided I will bring that up because that is important. Um, we do have our our select board retreat on next >> 30. It's a Tuesday. >> It's a Tuesday. So, next Tuesday, right? >> Right. >> After the select board um

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>> retreat >> retreat, which is from 12:00 to 4:00, we typically uh go off site for that. And then we'll be meeting back here at 4:15 um to do >> single item

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>> a single item agenda to discuss and interview quasi interview the next uh police chief. So, um we will be introducing uh that individual on >> potential individual pending contract negotiations and all that, but it's kind

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of a come and meet and discuss um with the chief uh our our selection for chief and and how we're going to move forward. And uh we we have a list of questions that you're welcome to listen in on from the public and uh get a get a

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good feel for where where Littleton's headed with the with our new chief. Um, so I I can't get too much into detail because it wasn't an agenda item, but we we did meet in executive session, so I think we can talk about it. Um, that was part of our executive session tonight. So, we have a plan uh to move forward.

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Um, and we will have that meeting on the 30th. So, please come and meet your next uh potential chief on June 30th at 4:15. So, thank you. Um, >> motion to adjurnn. Second. >> Moved by Mark, seconded by Chuck. All those in favor? Hi.

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>> Thank you, Littleton. Have a good night.