I'm going to call to order the meeting of the Littleton Historical Commission, Wednesday, March 11th, 700 p.m. or about then, 7:01. Um and uh our first agenda item will be to
hear from Andrew Bowers about the July 4th uh Independence Day or or de 250th celebration of the Declaration of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. And you're going to give us an update. >> Yes. Um and that is what I am here for
is to update you um to let you know that everything is on track. Um very nicely on track. um give you some of the details and then of course ask for your input and and help as well. Um just to um remind you all that this is a picnic
at FA Park um on July the 4th on the actual holiday with the rain being July the 5th. Um we'd set up probably starting around 10:30. Uh we have a nice 20x 20 tent
canopy sort of uh have some some more shade for people. Um sometimes we move the picnic tables around actually into the shade. Um things like that. And of course we have a band coming so we'll be having them set up in the morning as well. Um they're especially handy
because they're going to provide our sound system so we can make announcements and that would start about 10 about 11:30. So 11:30 um we'll start welcoming people. The publicity will say, you know, arrive after 11:30 and before 12. Um and very
specifically that people bring their own picnic lunch. We're not providing food for them. Um and also that they're going to be um packing and packing up. There's not going to be trash at the park. So this all comes out of um my having met with
the park and wreck um to not only reserve the park but get their input. Um and then um as per the norm and this is going back you know 20some years. We're going to start at 12 by ringing the
church bells and that's all been tenatively set up. Um although it needs to be confirmed, there would be both the Unitarian and the Congregational Bell. Um we then um have someone lead the um
picnic in singing the Star Spangled Banner. Um and >> yay, I am so unhappy. Oh, >> that Americans have stopped singing their national anthem. Oh, we do it at a town meeting and we've
done it at the >> We don't We recite the pledge of allegiance, but we don't sing the national anthem. >> Okay. Well, >> if you listen to If you watch, for example, if you watch international sporting events like the World Cup, all
the other countries, the people sing their national anthems both at the beginning and then sometimes when something good happens during the course of the game. And Americans have given up singing the national anthem. We've gotten used to having
>> somebody else do it for us. >> Yes. Having some somebody do it and we don't do it anymore. And I I mean >> Yeah. Well, we should be doing I don't want to give up things like that. Just as an aside, when I was at 4 National
Congress in Chicago, well, thousands of 4ers that whenever the orchestra would play a states um state song, that table would stand up, you know, and applaud wildly. Well, no one knew what All Hell Massachusetts sounded like. So, when no
one stood up, we would. So, we'd stand up like five and six times during the ensembles because, well, we stood up for at least, you know, one of the eight songs. Um, we need to we need to find out who we'll get as a singer. So, I'm I'm I'm looking
for input as to that. Um, uh, my friend Charlotte Russell has been a music teacher and very often has gotten someone from the high school um, to sing the national anthem. >> BUT THEN IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE sing it, then the rest then the crowd won't sing. I think you should have everybody
sing it. >> Everyone's going to be asked to stand and sing. >> But they Jonathan, they need to be led. believe me, you know, it doesn't happen spontaneously. Well, it could, but it doesn't. Uh and
then um speakers and I'm looking for someone from the commission to speak um since you are um basically um the sponsors of the picnic. Uh someone from the select board perhaps
and also someone from the Littleton Rotary as they are um providing major financial support. This in fairly short order is followed by children's games like relays and sack race. And then our concert would start
sometime between 12:30 and 1. And the concert will go on for an hour to an hour and 20 minutes. I don't think they're going to be taking a break, which means our picnic would be ending um sometime after 2. So it's all fairly neat and then we clean up.
Uh just a note that um I have been coordinating with the Littleton Historical Society. They're having a morning program, so there's no interference one with the other. I don't know if you heard about their cannon. >> No. >> Yeah. Well, they got a cannon coming.
They found a Revolutionary War cannon in Groten. Oh. >> And they built a queson for it. And Grattonians will then run it out for various events. >> Okay. um along with the Rotary who gave a very generous $1,500,
the Little Cultural Council came up with $750. And in principle, that will cover um expenses. The expenses are especially the music. Um perhaps an extra portaotty depending
upon what the park and wreck thinks of crowds. And then the police detail, which it turns out is very expensive. It's $400. And if there is any residual money, it will just go back to the road rate.
Um, still to be arranged, I mentioned the bell ring has to be confirmed. Um, was looking into perhaps getting a donation from Donaldson Market basket for little bags of snacks and um, bottled water that could be handed out.
The bottled water is especially um, important if it's a a hot day. Um, so I don't know how you feel about that, but you know, that used to happen in the past. Islands was very, very generous. Very good neighbor. Looking for people. Need a crew to help
set up the tent and sort of arrange things at the park. Need someone to run children's games. And if the sexton at the um Unitarian Church is not available, we'll need someone to ring that bell. The bell ringer at the congregational church is all set.
you send me in an email all your needs that you just outlined that you're looking for. >> I can just copy this and send it to you. >> Um, I guess backing up to expenses, I mean, those are the expenses that I had. I don't know if you can think of any other
expenses that might come our way. Um, park and wreck was a revelation when they, you know, were talking about portaotties. I get that. But the police detail being so expensive. Um, publicity is another thing where I'm
looking for help. Um, because of course, you know, if this is going to be a success, people have to know about it. And the question is, how do we get the word out um the best and fullest? So, my ideas um include the um town website. I don't know who to contact
about that. Would he contact the IT woman or somebody else? We >> just start with the select board and see what they think. >> They don't. >> You could contact, you know, Lisa Montgomery in the select board's office.
You could contact her and ask her who to contact. >> Okay, I'll do that. Uh, of course they I don't think he officially he probably has any role in all of this, but you could always ask Andrew San Marco cuz he knows
everything. >> Sure. >> You know, >> yeah, that's another person. >> Okay. >> He always knows everything there is to know. to him. >> Um, and if he doesn't, he'll find it out cuz I had a question about something
after my wife died and he called Boston and, you know, got the answer and within seconds and so on. So, he's always super helpful. >> Oh, maybe he should be somebody helping to set up. >> I can help set up cuz I don't jar away.
>> Yeah. >> So, I'm there. I would hate for it to become the challenge of the memorial picnic though. >> Why do you think that would be the case? >> Have you ever wrestled with my tent canopy? It's like a dead cow. >> Well, I don't know. You're asking for volunteers. So, I'm volunteering. I
mean, I don't know if I can't do it all by myself, get some >> We had bronze markers that we ordered last year. I could barely lift him. He's like, >> "No problem." Excellent. Well, Jonathan, you're on the list.
Um, another uh point of course would be Littleton Community TV and Mark Corey. Um, years past we've used uh list with the Boston Globe and I don't know if they uh will still have it, but it's worth checking into. Um, I don't know if
there are any other online holiday lists coming up the pipeline, but um, I'd be happy if you hear of one to let me know or if you have any bright ideas about um, other online sources. I think you should contact I I assume the Massachusetts 250th
>> Oh, >> they have an online at least last year they had a big online presence. I would think this year they'll be doing something as well, but I'm not certain. >> Okay. Now, do you know what their title is? >> Just Google Massachusetts 250. I think
you probably will find. If not, let me know. >> Well, that's great. This is exactly the kind of stuff I need. Um, so that's good. So, I'll contact them. Um perhaps a sign of the common. Um that's a nice way of reminding people even after they've heard of it. Uh I don't know if
it's something that might be announced at the April 19th ceremony. >> Yes. So >> I already kind of have that in mind. >> All right. Um I don't know if there are school newsletters and if it could go out, you know, in June via school newsletters. Does anybody know if there's such a thing?
>> Each the school sends out an email of just like what's happening. It's the principles do it every week. So, um, >> but that's it's not really a school activity. So, >> Right. >> Okay. >> Right. I don't know if the high school has like a paper or anything like that.
Um, >> but no, there isn't really a school district. >> All right. And again, I'm looking for um any other input you might have um for publicity and for for any of the
things that I mentioned. And I just want to thank you very much. I have to say that your sponsoring the picnic um has made it much easier um working with parking rack, working with people. So um this has been um I think a
win-win for us that we'll get a we'll get a a nice event and you'll get the credit. >> But you should get the credit. Do we want to have somebody uh read the declaration? >> No. Sorry.
>> Well, in the morning I I have a list here. I emailed Andy um Curran today and she sent me all that they're doing that historical society is doing. So when you're done, I'll let everyone know what they're doing >> and they're going to read the declaration in the morning.
>> Ah, it's incredibly long. >> No, it isn't. I we we we had it several years. It was just like not again. >> Um it's interesting and then it's not
>> um >> I guess it depends on your perspective. >> It's good to know that they're doing >> Yeah, we don't want to be repeating stuff. >> Um correct. So, like I say, that's that's what I
have and I'm open to input if you have anything else to add. And if not, then I'll leave you in peace. >> Um, why don't you Does anyone have any thoughts for Andrew? So send me whatever you have and I'll
share it with everyone and maybe we'll get some volunteers in here and maybe >> No, and of course you can just contact me anytime with with stuff and let me know if you have any questions or if there's anything you'd like followed up.
>> And while you're still here though, let me read what an Ann Andy sent about what the historical society is doing. They're doing quite a bit. Um, first I asked her if they're doing anything on April 19th and she said nothing that they know about that she knows about. She says we
have activities the morning of July 4th which will do sort of dovetail with Andrew's picnic and concert. We meaning the historical society will be hosting Graten's British cannon as Andrew said uh with a little talk about the cannon. We also plan a reading of the
Declaration of Independence probably by several people. Another thing we're doing at the suggestion of some person is a collaboration with Durgible Brewery on a Littleton beer. One of the owners of Durigible Brewery has come up with a
light brew featuring apples and honey which will be available on tap at their establishment. We will also host a trivia night there at some point. We are working with a company in air to create mugs and t-shirts emlazened with pay today trust tomorrow which is on the
tavern sign at which tavern? Lawrence Tavern I forget which tavern. Um the all that stuff um the mugs and the t-shirts will be available at the historical society the holiday bazaar and at digible. >> Wow.
>> So sounds good. All right. Well, thank you, Linda. I'll be in touch with this material. >> Great. Look forward to >> Thank you, Andrew. Thanks for organizing the picnic. >> Oh, my pleasure. It really is. >> I'm just looking really quickly at the
Mass 250 events page. And it does look like you can submit your event. >> And it looks like then you can search by event, date, location. >> What name are they? Massachusetts. Mass >> Massachusetts 250.org/events. >> Easy. Yeah, last year I think I did
submit it and I'm not that technical and I was able to do it pretty easily. So >> yeah, there's a link easily. >> No, when we were doing the picnic regularly, we would actually have the globe call us up. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, >> nice. >> It was >> there's a link right here and if you click on the whatever it was, add your
event, there's event title, description, time, you can add an image. >> No, that's exactly what I'm looking for. So that's excellent. Excellent. I appreciate it. >> All right. Well, good luck and um I'll probably report it again before the the picnic. >> Definitely. Yeah.
>> And like I said, >> yeah, let's keep in touch so we can >> things on track. >> Thank you, Andrew. >> Thank you all. Take care. >> All right. >> Um the next thing I wanted to do was there's agendas there if anyone wants to
agenda. Um, so the next thing I wanted to discuss was Patriots Day as a member update. Um, we need to start preparing or thinking about starting to prepare for it. Um,
and have you all have you guys been to that our April 19th event at Liberty Square ever? No. Okay. I've been in Lexington for or conquered for >> Well, that's probably a bigger deal than what we do, but we usually did the same thing every year except last year we did
more as you I think you were on the committee at that point, right? No. >> No. Were you? >> No. >> Okay. Well, last year mostly Rachel organized a lot of stuff and it really sort of ballooned into a fair amount of
work for us and it was a bit much, but we pulled it off. It went It was very nice. >> It was very nice. It was very nice, but it was a bigger deal than what we usually do. So, I think this year we're thinking of kind of going back to our usual. I think I don't think we want to
do too much more. Um, the Yeah. So, so before I get into April 19th, I just want to the picnic. Is there anything else that we the commission want to do or do we just want to let us support sponsor the picnic?
Mhm. >> Yeah, >> that's fine. >> Andy seems to have it pretty well. >> Oh, yeah. And the historical society is doing so much. Like I don't think we need to do anything, but you guys want to do something, we could. But >> um okay, back to April 19.
>> I'm glad to hear that the society is I mean, somebody read the declaration. I mean, how can you not how can you think that this is not something that went in the course of human events and and all that and you know
it's a major anniversary 250th year since the declaration was signed or not signed a uh a official it was made official on July 4th. It was signed on like August 2nd I think >> something like that.
>> Yeah. Um, so I'm going to read what I have as I what we do every year, but if I'm forgetting anything, please let me know. Also, people need to volunteer for some things. So, speeches, we usually have a speech by someone from this commission and by a select board member. I can
contact the select board and invite them again. Does anyone else like Jonathan I was thinking maybe want to give a speech this year instead of me? You can think about it. You don't have to decide right now. Yeah, >> I've done it several times before, so I
suppose I could if >> if you want to. >> I mean, you always do a very good job, but uh if you want to have a little alternation there, I don't mind. Uh >> okay. All right. >> Come up with something.
And I will and if I don't remind me to mention at the April 19th thing the July 4th picnic so people know about it. >> Um so the speeches there's wreaths. I can
order the wreath as I you know Andrew Smarker used to do it when he was on our commission but I did it last few years. I can do that wreaths. Two wreaths. Right. >> Right. >> Um boxer Minutemen. We want them to do a musket salute. Do we need them to talk?
I don't know that they need to make a speech. I think last year they gave a speech, but I don't think we need to do that, do they? >> Did they do it at I I wasn't at the Liberty Square. Did they just talk at >> I think they gave a speech at I can't remember. >> No, I don't think so. The >> Yeah. So maybe it was Yeah, maybe it was
just there. Yeah, but I don't think they need to. Do you? >> No, they never they not usually. >> No, they just do the musket >> and then I guess I'll play taps on the clarinet. It's easier than trying to find somebody. >> But find somebody who could do it on the trumpet. That of course is more
>> Well, it's hard to find somebody. >> Well, we've had a lot of trouble finding people, >> right? It would be better. But I mean, if anyone knows of a trumpet player who wants to do it, that's fine. But I don't want to go looking. >> Right. >> Um, is there anything else that we need
to do? >> That's about what we always do. >> That's it. Nothing else. Okay. >> Two speeches. tops. >> Okay. >> Dump flute >> and the wreaths. >> Oh, and someone to lay two people to lay the wreath. >> Yeah. >> I think I'm going to ask John Ledger.
>> Yeah. >> If he's if he's available. >> Right. If he's available. Right. >> And somebody else. Anyone have any suggestions? >> Um but his son will be there. I hope >> if they can do it. Sure. >> Yeah. >> If they both I mean if they're
>> if they're available. Um, >> if not, >> Andrew Watt's done it. You You And Andrew have done it in the past. >> I mean, you guys could do it if you feel like it. All you have to do is lay a wreath on the memorials.
>> I actually won't be here for day. I But I am happy to do anything in advance of if that's helpful. >> Do you want to lay a wreath? Sure. Okay. Right. Okay. So, that's that. Okay. And then the next thing I think we we
should go over the um CPC application for the historic marker bases. I sent you out a second version. I think did I? >> I can't remember. >> Only sent one. >> I only sent one version. Okay. We've done a couple of revisions but not major
revisions except for or Chris and I and Andrew have been working on the cost finalizing the cost. >> Uh the one from the night that you sent >> I don't know what day it was. >> I had the one I could it was a Google doc but I couldn't like edit it. I could only save it. >> So is that this is the second time this
has happened. I did I always open things in Word. I don't even use Google Docs but some people who use Google Docs are having trouble opening word documents. No, I could open it as a Word document, but when I opened it as a Google doc, I saw that others had made comments on it. I don't know if anyone else saw that. >> You have to download it.
>> You have to download it and then open it in Word. >> Oh, and then you can And so the comments are actually from Word. >> Yes. >> Okay, that makes more sense. >> So if that's the latest one that was sent out on the 9th, >> I don't know. So you all just have one version?
>> Yeah, >> you've got one version. Okay. I I might have just said one. It's not. It's similar enough that it doesn't matter. Let me just >> The ninth is what I >> Let me just pull out my latest version. >> Um,
all right. Think this is an updated version. I just have a few copies, I guess, if anyone wants. But, um, does anyone have comments? Any edits, changes, thoughts? >> I had a couple really small things.
>> Yep. Um for me this is the second page. The paragraph starts with good olden department of public works. >> Uh yes >> uh second. So last sentence the LHC is also strongly considering the possibility of
instead of possibly. I mean and these are just suggestions. That's what we used to. >> Mhm. >> And then it wasn't so much a suggestion, just I didn't know how many of these words were necessary for the under project goals in the first sentence. It
was replacing current old concrete historic marker bases and new historic bronze plaques. They seemed like we could probably >> Well, you what's your suggestion for editing? >> I didn't know which. >> Okay. like current and old are kind of
>> opposites but also the same in this particular instance. So it I just found it a little confusing but I also know what we're talking about so I think it's >> like existing existing old concrete. >> Yeah existing old comma concrete is that
I don't know. Okay there are a lot of descriptors which I think is also fine if we want to leave it. Okay. >> And that was all I had outside of the questions on the budget which I think Andrew >> Yeah, we we're still working on the
budget. Well, no, actually Chris live now. >> Yeah, the only things I have to do is uh there's just comparison thing at the end that I have to update some of the numbers, but um >> so one one thing one comment I had on your last
>> Yeah. um cost that you sent today is um maybe we should my thought is okay so seven new granite bases is 5,614
okay >> and then delivery 355 >> and then I'm thinking instead of 1230 for the contingency whatever just bring it up to 7,000 instead of 7,200 Oh, >> you know what I mean? Just so it's an
even 7,000. Got it. >> I also thought it was helpful to maybe say the 20% specifically of contingency like so that it's clear where you got the number that I think Andrew suggested. >> 20%. >> Yeah. Just or you know, whatever the end so it's clear kind of where that came
from, >> right? Just say like 20% or whatever. No, that's good. Rachel, any comments? >> Um, I mean, there's just a few little, you know, um,
>> grammar, >> grammar, grammatical, and and, uh, you know, there's a couple little things that, you know, once you go back into Word, they'll they're flagged. Um, >> what do you mean they're flagged? >> They've got the red underline like there's a a period and then a comma. >> Where? Where? Tell me where. So,
>> in the >> Sorry, let me find my right version here. I'm sorry. Where >> paragraph of the first um evaluated >> Oh, yes. >> Got it. Yeah. >> Um and then like project goals is up on
the line ahead of it. It should be kind of header. >> Wait, say that again. >> Project goals. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> so mine's different. Maybe I fixed it in the version. Go ahead. What else? >> Well, okay. Um I think that's it. That's all I could see. There's a couple other
little I'm glad to know it's in word now because I was like why is this not where are this coming from? Um other than that I mean I yeah I didn't have too many other I mean it's it's a little
a little long. Um I don't know if there is any wanting to kind of cut it down a little bit. Um it's it's a little wordy. I would just say that but um I don't necessarily have any like concrete like
>> if you do just send them >> just right I'm just like if I mean do we do we need three pages to say that we need to do we do we need to test justify this >> I didn't I mean >> and that's and you're you're on I don't
know how long this is fine Um, I just I feel like there's a little bit of redundant like um but that's just that's just >> Well, you can let me know what you think of done that you can let me send it to
me. >> Yeah. >> Any anything else, Jonathan? Any thoughts? >> Well, on the whole it seems very good. I I'm just wondering here >> where it says minimum of 20 years up to a lifetime. Mhm.
>> Not sure what that what the up to a lifetime >> just say minimum of 20 years. How about that? Where where is that again? >> It's in the apparently below the budget. >> Yeah, I didn't know if that was better. I didn't mention it, but I had noted. I didn't know if that was even better in
parentheses than commas just cuz I think it was already a list. >> I'm sorry. Where are we? When you have a budget >> on the last page. >> Yeah, >> it's the last like paragraph. So what what would you put in commas? Just >> so the lasting a minimum of 20 years up
to a lifetime. However you want. >> How about I take up take out up to a lifetime because that is weird. Lasting a minimum of 20 years. Is that put it in parenthesis? >> Yeah. >> And I'll if I can like the support and like that whole those last two like I feel like you've said it already at
least like other times that DPW will help. The reason that's there is because it it's in most CPC applications as a support paragraph which are usually very short. >> That's fair. I just I'm like, yeah, you you've said that a couple times. >> That's all right. I think Yeah, we should have that as a separate set.
That's all. >> Jonathan, other comments. >> Yeah. So, I mean I don't know that business up to a lifetime. >> I'm taking it out. >> You hope that with granite it would last >> right longer. Yeah. Longer, right? No. Any other comments?
>> No. No. I think it's very good. I think this is a great thing that we're doing here. We really enhance the those markers >> and any other comments about the costs or we're all set.
>> Okay. We'll go. It's uh I'll just finalize to make sure that the >> the delivery for like two versus nine is like a little bit more. >> Yeah. Or seven, whatever. Yeah. >> So, I'll just I'll just triple check. I'll get an actual quote for the actual
amount that we want. >> Let me know tomorrow because I have to submit it on Friday. >> Yeah, I'll get it back to you. >> Okay. Where are we ordering from? >> I don't think >> Yeah, they're in >> I'm just curious. This is conquered New Hampshire. >> Oh wow. >> But they only charge
>> That's bad for delivery though. >> 355 for any and they sort of said any amount or maybe that was the concrete place that said that. But >> well that's only that's for two and that's 355. >> That's bad. >> One unit. >> Yeah. But you know you're right
>> like 700 lb a piece. So >> how do you return like with the weight of them? Right. Like the like usually like oh if you buy in bulk you buy more but then not like >> bigger trucks. Yeah >> that's no those are good points you're raising
>> because usually it's like if you buy >> interesting >> deon slams it would bring your cost per unit down if that's going to raise delivery costs or anything. I don't know. >> Yeah cuz one either the concrete cuz you also got cost from a concrete place. One of them said no matter how many you buy
it's the same price. That might have been the concrete place. I don't know. I've got I went back and forth with both of them later. >> Yeah. Call them and see if Well, so we have like it's not way more than 350 for seven. >> Yeah. So I have to get the uh
>> the form to do the tax exempt stuff. So they can take that quote and >> Oh, I see. Yes. >> Once we end up ordering, I have to figure out how to do that process through the town. I wonder to so you're trying to get a quote tomorrow that for tax exempt and
you think you need to submit for quotes first. >> I'll see if you can give it to me without it. >> Yeah, tell them that we're getting >> we usually give quotes without tax exempt status and then to get it usually is just submitting the like a copy of the tax exempt form, >> right? But because we have to submit this by Friday. >> Yeah.
>> I mean I could just make a caveat in in the application saying >> I mean the tax should be itemized out, right? I mean, so that should be easy know that you're just >> Yeah. >> Right. No, that's fine. Don't worry about it. I could just make that caveat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right.
>> Okay. All right. Good. >> Okay. Great. Um, one quick thing for the um for the award for 12 Robinson Road for the whatever you're developing the award itself.
>> Can we add Joe Pataldo and his team like his team >> and team? >> Yeah. And Dean, >> why not? >> Okay. Because there really have been other people involved, you know, that were very important. >> Ryan and the people who did the
>> We watched them. Were you there? We watched them uh you were there, I think, clean the fireplace mantle. They like all the carving on it. It was very meticulous work. So, >> well, uh Oh, do we want joke like in the
bold where we say joketo and then and his team in smaller letters or >> what do you guys think? That was going to be quite >> I think so. >> Okay. Whatever. Whatever you go. >> And that wasn't an answer. >> He thinks so.
>> Yeah. Do we want it in the big letters or do we want it? >> My response was I think it's good to have his name in large letters and the >> okay >> associates in smaller letters >> and his team.
>> Yeah, that's fine. >> And small. >> Yes. this week. All right. Um so um and we don't have to finalize this tonight, but um we started a discussion last week or whatever whenever last
month whatever it was the house sign program that Chris was suggesting. Um I can't remember where exactly we left it. I know. I said we can continue this conversation. >> So, where did what did we just I remember what we discussed and where we
left it. >> I they brought up the idea of doing like a know you know five free signs every you know sort of a lottery system thing and um I think it was determined CPC funds for that. So, I don't know if we
could use the any funds from the commission. I don't know how much there's available but um just to sort of think start thinking through that to get sort of the gears oiled on that process. >> So now I'm remembering now some of the
conversation was what about people who already bought or whoever who already bought signs how so what was that discussion about? Uh >> is it fair for people that have already purchased a sign then there's free signs
you know available but um maybe I think it the conversation turned into offering free >> free replacement signs right yeah I think it was like you buy it we'll we'll replace it >> in perpetuity >> yeah I have that we thought about
sending out a mailer to people whose houses were newly added to the historical list and offering the future replacement signs would be covered after they bought their first one. >> Yeah. Buy one get. >> So would these brief whatever five free signs or whatever or any free signs be
available to only those people or also to other firsttime buyer first time people or >> probably all because there's probably signs out there that are fully deteriorated that need replacement, >> you know. Yeah. Well, we we've had
people I mean, you know, when we started sort of the program again, we did have some of the people who requested signs were people who had them who had had them previously, but they were in bad shape, >> and so we gave them, but we didn't give
them. We had they they bought new ones. Mhm. >> If we're I don't know where the money comes from for the the free signs, um the free replacement signs, but is there the chance that if you start offering this, you're only going to get people who want the replacement signs
and not so much new people and then it's costing more than you anticipate. Could we do That's a very good point. Um, is there a rehabilitation like uh refurbishing of
old signs? Like is there a way to like >> depends on their depends on their >> wood though, right? Their wooden signs. So, can you do that with wood signs? >> Yeah. >> Like not not to go too like in the weeds with any of it or make anything too complicated,
>> but is that like case by case basis? Cuz like if somebody's like, "Well, it just it's peeling a little bit." You know, they're just dingy. >> What are our qualifications for like you get a replacement sign when X happens? Like >> like >> it's still attached. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could
clean it up and like re put a new clear coat on it and that might work, but some are just too far gone. >> Right. Like some might be decayed, but some might be like faded. Right. Right. And that's kind of like do we is it within within the replacement program?
Is it within our purview to say like it's just a little it's a little dirty. We'll just take it. We'll clean it up. We'll give it back to you. Or like >> we're right this is like termite infested. We need to give you a whole like >> I think that would have to Yeah. case by case stuff. >> It might be like after certain number of
years you're offered a new sign and then that avoids just like I hung this in the bright sun and it's faded now. Right. Exactly. Yeah. How about like >> Right. We'll give you the We'll give you the first one for Well, you'll be surprised. >> We don't know when they first caught them, so that
>> Oh, well then. Yeah, >> that's true. >> If that's true, then >> Yeah. >> I mean, I have records for some of those, but not for some of them. But, you know, when I took it over, I I put them down. I think I have records of when we did it, but I'm not even sure that I do. But certainly, there were
ones before I >> asking for them now. How are we when uh how are how are people requesting them? They're not. But okay, >> if they were, there is a place on the historical commission website where they
can request >> where who receives that form? >> Uh, I do. >> Okay. Is that something we could put together like some sort of like brochure or like a handout or flyer or something that could
be given out at one of these events? Yeah, >> we at some point we sent a letter to Now I'm trying to remember who we sent it to. Maybe it was new. >> Well, that's that's what uh Caroline had
found. She found the do the that it was like right before COVID and that was the like did we actually send it out or did we >> we did sending it out? We did send out a letter and we got a handful of people, not very many, but we got a handful of people who requested
>> who requested plaques and I think those we did. Then there was then then sort of we fell into kind of when the guy who was doing them died, then we then we sort of fell into uh you know not you
know we we stopped doing it and uh >> and I said I would look into doing some more and then I I you know I dropped the ball to be to be honest. >> So is the plan Chris that you're going to make these signs for people? Is that what we talked about or not?
>> Yeah, I can do it. I I Yeah. >> Is that what did you I mean, is that what you were planning to or should we find somebody or you >> Well, he was going to do it, but he was going to get paid for it. >> Yeah, I >> Oh, I see. I mean, I'm not trying to drum up business. I just I I've backlog
as it is. I just figured I don't know. I like driving around town and seeing signs. It's kind of cool thing. And uh the one at the end of Harwood, the Sanderson uh house, they took theirs down because we they could barely read it anymore. >> So it's like that's the one I noticed
over the years like it was I could read it a little bit less and a little bit less over the years and then it's now it's gone. >> So did we talk about this? I mean is is there a conflict of interest? >> I mean I can provide you talk about it. >> I just can't vote. I can't vote on it
basically. Well, is it health of interest that our funds are going to a commission member? That's what my concern is. See what I'm saying? >> Um, >> you could see >> Well, you could certainly at least use
it to buy materials if that's like if you weren't >> you didn't mind donating your time. >> Right. >> You could think about it. You don't have to be on the spot about this, but I would think it's okay if you sent us a receipt of materials
>> and we could reimburse you for that. I would think that would probably be okay. But >> beyond that, you know what I'm saying? I didn't even think about that. Yeah. >> Can is there someone like outside of this group that would be kind of less biased that legal counsel we could ask somebody that we could >> like a town legal counsel kind of
situation cuz I feel like we >> involved. No, I think we should talk to Jim or C administrator andor legal counsel about this. Does that make sense? >> Okay. >> Not really. That's it.
>> Okay. Legal counsel would would be the better one. >> Yeah. >> Um >> No, you're right. >> And yeah. Um but I think we should I think the idea of a brochure we we've talked about also doing and I I
and not remember if this went out with the previous post um letter sent to new homeowners too. Um but you know we we've always talked about like having a like what's the difference
between the historical society and the historical commission and like you know don't don't go to them for a new sign. Come to us. Don't ask them what color you can paint your house. Ask like not that we for that.
>> Not that we have that authority at this point, but >> but people will still ask. Um so you know those those kinds of things of like >> so so let's all think about what might go in a flyer or other things too besides
>> besides the size. Yeah. >> Yeah. Let me look that. I think I have a I hope I still have a copy of it, but I you know I had we did send out a letter to people and asked you know was saying that this these signs were available and
so on. So you know I can look and see what that said and you know where we >> Caroline definitely has >> Caroline definitely has a copy. So, for all that information, we at least know one place. I'm sure it's like in a backlog of my emails, too. But, um,
yeah, I think that would actually be a good thing to get like a little brochure made up. And then we could have it we can have it sent out. We could have it at all the events. We can have it here in town hall. We can have it at the library. We can senior center. We have
Yeah. community center. I'm a big brochure person. I love a good record. It's >> so true. Um, all right. Maybe Elizabeth, do you want to work on it? Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, >> sounds good. Um, I mean, you guys could
just run with it and then once we have our minutes next meeting, this we'll have refresh our memory of all the things that we discussed. >> Great. >> Okay. I think that's all I have on the agenda.
Anything else from anybody? >> I know. I feel like we just have a meeting. So, it's like time. >> Okay. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Second. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> And our next meeting. >> Let's do this. Um, April 8th, I believe. >> Yeah, that is a second Wednesday. >> I'm not sure I can be here for that one.
I have an appointment that I can try to move, but I'm not sure I will be able to. >> Okay. >> Um, okay. And at that meeting we will oh as needed we'll discuss any Patriots day
last minute stuff. >> Yeah. >> And if there's anything cuz I I will be like that chunk if there Yeah. If there's anything that I can do ahead of time let me know. >> Sorry. One sec. Okay, I see you.
>> Great. Thank you everybody.