I'm calling to order the meeting of the Linton Historical Commission, January 14th, 700 p.m. Um, let's see. Shant, how do I find if she wants to join participants? Yeah,
>> it should pop up too. Hit participants. >> Hit participants. >> Then then you'll be able to see her. It's on >> analyst one. Is that her? >> No, that's >> No, that's just you. >> Oh, >> but if she trying to dial in, she wouldn't get in until you
>> So now I just did. So maybe she'll dial in. >> Do they have like the waiting room turned on or >> Yeah, it should automatic. Yeah, she should >> attendees. >> So, what >> she should join. It should show up in
the attendees if there's a waiting room. >> So, how do I'm looking at participants? Is that the waiting room? >> Yeah, but see see how they >> Oh, you have it up there. >> Um, >> yeah, >> on the left it's dark blue and then there's a I think it says attendees on the tab next to it. I think that's where she'll show up.
>> I'm sorry. Where? >> To the right >> under participants. It's grayed out at this point. So, >> what? >> It's grayed out at this point. So, it means she's probably not waiting, >> right? >> Oh, I see what you're saying. All right. So, I'll just keep an eye out. >> We'll let you know. I I'll keep
up. I'll I'll be like, "There she is." >> Okay. Um I I think I'll give Shanti a minute to join because I think she is joining. So, if you could just bear with us for a minute. Um, so I sent out an
invoice from Fannon and Leer um for last year's work at the cemeteries. Have people had a chance to take a look at it? >> Yes. Any thoughts or questions about it?
>> No. No. No. >> Okay. Do I have a motion to approve the invoice? >> So moved. Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Okay, great. Thank you.
Um, >> are you going to hire them again? I believe they're going to put in another application and then they'll have to decide which you know I guess one thing we should talk about is do we want them to continue at West Lawn if we want them to
continue or do we want them to go back to the old bearing ground but we don't have to say that tonight it's just something to think about >> I think we need to pull their assessment because a couple years ago they kind of get in gave an assessment with kind of the road map and I think if we can pull
that out there's I think there was still work to be done at the old cemetery, but then we switched them to Weslon because we were given all the attention there and then maybe time to come back. >> That's my question. >> We have a cemetery commissioner here. Carolyn, do you have any?
>> I think Andrew Samarco has gotten a proposal from them and he got last year's report just like I saw him last week. So should have thought to bring it to you guys this week. >> Should we touch base with Andrew? >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. them.
>> Okay. >> But I think they do want to come back for next year. >> Okay, great. Um, not happening yet. All right, give her one more minute and then we'll just start with your project. Um,
I I don't have too many updates, but one update is um I met with some a couple in town and they almost definitely want to um put a historic preservation restriction on their house
>> and they will probably want us to be the older of the restriction. Um, so I'll let you more let you know more when I know more about it. That's probably going to happen. >> I don't think they're selling their house immediately, but in the next few
years they probably sell it. But uh you know as I mean as we found with other houses usually there's requirement for some funding to go along with the restriction so that the holders of the
restriction can and uh assess it and and you know keep track of it and so on. >> You mean someone would give us funding? >> Yes. You know, Reed is the other person in town who's doing >> he did it not through us. He
>> he did it through >> a lot of money, I think. >> So, he paid them a lot of money to do it. So, >> you're saying >> if we hold a restriction, we should maybe not have as much. They maybe we won't need as much as the uh historic
New England feels they need, but uh we probably would ask for >> something >> for something. So for Robinson Road, I think there was a little bit of funding for us. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Wasn't a lot, but there was. >> Okay. I don't know whether she's having
trouble joining or but anyway, I think we will go ahead with uh 359 King Street. Um so we had a site visit. Uh, I wasn't there that one, but I was
there earlier a few months ago with Ryan and Dwight. Yeah. >> Um, and Shanti. Um, so any thoughts about the site visit, the recent site visit for the people who were there? Well, why don't we start
with Dwight giving us a little bit Dwight or Ryan giving us a little bit of uh what they what their proposal is and what they intend to do. and then I think we can respond. Our site visit of course was in response to that.
>> Okay. Well, I'll give you a little history uh of me. My name is Dwight Long. I moved to town in 1986. Bought my house from Bob Wilson uh who was very nice. He helped me buy it, financed it for me. Um, and uh, if
anybody's lived here long enough, they'd seen many, many, many dumpsters and renovate renditions. And my whole premise was to not just renovate it, but restore it. So, I had I saved all the
spindles. I had spindles made to match the spindles and the columns, and I think I've done a pretty good job. Um, my wife has a mess. Richie Crowley was was moving.
He was going to sell the property to a developer. I saw what happened down the street at Ruskowski's. That was the last thing I wanted to happen next door to me. So, I bought it with the intention of eventually my wife
needed a onele house. and we're at we're really close to that point. So, what my intention is to restore renovate the front house and the barn into two condos and then put two houses out back,
possibly three on the outer perimeter of the elevation before it goes down to the pasture. We open pasture, five acres out back, all open and have one level housing. I understand the fabric of the of King
Street. I always thought it was a the gateway. I hope when my neighbor sells next door, Dave Nurgard, when he passes away, he says he wants to leave it to the historical society, I hope that house gets fixed up really nice.
And I want the Kings 359 King Street to be great, look great, look like my house, look like it's been there forever. But I can't have huge
restrictions on I put this window here, this window here, use the same clapboard. I I've not admitted to doing that and I would rather wait the 10 months and not have to deal with it. But
based on what I did next door, I hope you'll understand and and know that my intention is to maintain the facade. I have to change a roof line here and there and I got to change some
windows to conform with code, but I want it to be what it's always been. But I need like I I'm at I've been with other boards and I'm just getting pushed
along, pushed along, pushed along. and I don't want to do that with the historical society commission his commission. Um, so you work with me. I'm totally into the whole fabric and
maintaining the character of the town and not doing what happened. But if we're going to have this constant battle that I'm having with other boards, I I'm going to wait 10 months.
We started in October. I'll just wait and then I'll just do what I need to do. So I'll I'll be up for that um and give you guys some. So, sorry this isn't that isn't the greatest
presentation. I'm going to pass this around. The first one here is just a picture of what the front looks like currently. None of this we we haven't actually gotten a design from the architect yet because we finally figured out what we
tend to do. I know this kind of looks like a 2-year-old did it. I did the best I could. What I'm trying to show you is >> what we would need is about 2 and 1/2 ft to raise the roof on the barn. About 2 and 1/2 ft. I'd like to have an 8ft ceiling the first floor. Second floor,
we're going to need egress windows in order to accomplish that. We're going to need that extra height. Um, so I did this to kind of represent what I think it might look like. Um, and then between the house and the barn, it's a really
low ceiling in that bedroom there as well. Um, so I'd like to actually raise that roof between the house and the barn. So, as you pass along, you might want to keep that so you can kind of compare side by side. Um, I did show on these, I didn't put as
much effort into this, um, because I I don't I don't think that this is really the look that we would like to see. But I did just throw three shed dormers on the side of the barn to to accomplish my
um window size that I would need um for egress for the bedrooms. And I don't know whether it'd be three or four. Um but that was just kind of like I said, I didn't put as much effort into that as I did to that because that's preferable.
Um, and then I also have just some photos of the barn as is current state right now. We should get up as of and I did make a couple other notes on there as to what the current heights are. Floor to bottom of beam on the
first floor is 7 foot2. Um, as I mentioned, we'd like to have an 8ft ceiling on the first floor, which would then raise would raise by, you know, uh, 10 in plus the additional framing, structural
framing that we'll need. Um, we'll raise it probably another 6 in or so. Currently on the second floor, there's 6'7 from the floor to the bottom of the roof line, that knee wall, that knee wall. So obviously raising the first
floor is going to shrink that down to closer to 4'8, 4 foot 11, something like that. Um, we really need that to be up to 76 so that we can get our windows to fit in for egress for the bedrooms. Um, but we are looking to
try to keep a similar look. We're not not trying to modernize it too much. just just need the the room to, as I said, add those egress windows and and and have a an 8ft ceiling the first floor.
>> So, you'd be a you planning to keep those quite unusual windows at the on the first floor of the barn? We're working on design. If we do keep them, we would like to raise them so that they're right now they're almost
sitting on the floor. So, >> Right. Right. >> We'd either I mean, we could accomplish it with tempered glass, but I would be concerned with having a child fall through that, even if it is tempered glass. So, I would like to see
the maintenance soft. >> So, this one shows you raising the >> That one shows everything raising up. And I just made a note that the windows would raise and and give me a minimum of 18 24. Um, so there are a couple notes on there
you might want to take notice of. It is highly unusual and it's nice of you. I mean we we certainly appreciate anything that you know keeps this uh quite unusual fish rate might help to have a little bit of a visual and I mean
just again it's not exactly to scale it did the best I could we can get we will we're working with an architect now on some preliminary drawings and we can get you some architectural drawings. I think the windows in the barn I've
driven by just like you thousands of times and I think it's it has great character. So preserving, you know, raising those up a little bit because you're going to raise the ceiling just lifting them all up and having that beautiful bay of windows is
to me is important. They're preserving. I think that little front door which you know is both there's two doors on the front side. Both of those are worth preserving. I think they're they're great in the barn door. I'm all
preserving as much as possibly as much as possible, but it it needs to be able to bring I can't invest hundreds of thousands more than I need to
and not get any ROI on. I need to make some money on it so that I can afford to do things out back. >> Well, I think we understand that. I mean, we >> while we want to preserve as much as we can, we also understand the practicalities of, >> you know, of, you know, making this into
something other than an unusual looking barn. >> You know, if you're going to have it as a residence, we I think I mean, I can speak for the commission that we we tend to understand that, you know, things have to be changed. As Ryan will tell you, we certainly accepted that in the
Robinson Roadhouse where we had much where, you know, in a sense we had much more possibilities of restricting things, but we understood that, you know, there has to be compromises in these uh in in renovations if you're going to use it for a you know, for
modern use. And and that certainly is understandable. you know, I personally at least understand that that's something that's necessary and have no, you know, no objections and appreciate you're doing as much as you can to to preserve it.
So, for me, that's a very positive uh and and the two homes out back. So when you, as you know, when you drive by, you can kind of see in the pasture, particularly in the winter. So the the houses out back will not be,
you know, just these big box houses. It'll be very complimementaryary of the house out front. So it'll the whole drive by will have really nice street appeal. And that's important to me.
>> Again, that's something we we appreciate that. And I think Dwight came to us specifically because of well I think he's friends with Joe but also the job that was done at 12 Robinson Road you know um which I think was a very
successful project. >> Yes. So, um, I might have missed something because I was trying to see if Shanti's going to join us, but what would you be, you might have already said this, what would you be replacing? Replacing all the clabards.
>> Uh, yeah, I take it down. We're going to put a new foundation. >> We will give it a similar look, but we're probably not going to try to reuse the materials as we did at 12 Robinson Road. Um, I think we've discussed using
a woodside or wood clap board, trying to keep things very similar to what's there. Um, but we would like to go down and start over. The foundation is not not structurally sound. The the
structure, the interior structure is not structurally sound. He has a lot of additional supports that he's had to add to the basement because it's sagging and sinking in in areas. there's quite a bit of bug damage. Um, so I think we'd like to just eliminate that, start fresh, but
give it a very similar appearance to what what's there. Um, >> is there any way I mean the one thing that struck me on the inside, I don't even know what it's doing now. It looked like it was doing something before and now it's not doing the same thing as it
was doing. But there these two sort of posts on them on the interior which used to hold up something and I'm not sure they still are. But >> if in the barn Yeah. There's some way that they could be
>> first floor level or second floor. >> Are you on the second floor? They had those really long beams. >> Yeah. they were just they're just kind of suspended and posted. Um I mean a lot of that I think we would like to try to find a use for some of that material. I
mean I don't want to dispose of all material. I would love to try to find a use for some of that mortise and tenon. >> We want to keep some of that alive. It may not be used in the same way. Um but I would love to see it stay. And I mean no means to speak for you Dwight, but I
think Bill's to me that barn has a also obviously post and beam. And I would like it to be have more of like a restoration feel, restoration hardware feel if you if you know what that is. I
mean, with the windows and whoever is going to buy and live there is going to want something of historic nostalgia or old. They're not going to buy that where they can buy down the street, right? They're going to they
want something that has some character. So, I love that stuff. And I we can incorporate some beams in there and things. I did I personally added multiple posts downstairs in the bottom of the barn and on the first level I
added just because it was there was so much sag and bounce. Don't tell the building inspector I did that. >> Um so your petition is a demolition request for the barn. Uh, yep. I demolition the house.
>> Uh, well, we have to take down the barn. It's not structurally solid. So, take down the barn, save what we can, incorporate what we can in the new design. We need to take the house down the studs on the inside and the outside,
but putting back the facade like 90 90% of the way that it is now. It's just that roof line in between the house and the barn >> just because that one there's a there's only two bedrooms in the house right now and that one bedroom the ceilings are
just >> ceiling in the kitchen whoever was there was really low. Yeah. And then the ceiling in that bedroom is very low. >> So, so just to clarify, so you you plan to proceed with a
permit for renovation on the house, but you're asking for a demolition permit on the barn. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. That's that's important. Significant. >> Correct. >> So, I thought I heard I might have misunderstood. You said you'd also bring
the house down to the studs. Well, >> that's maybe >> the structure will stay the same. It'll be we're going to gut the interior of it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Exterior would be removing clapboard clappers so that as we put it all back together, the barn
and everything everything ties together. Um and then obviously any sheathing that's damaged we dispose of and replace. Um, but I don't I think I would think sheathing for the most part we're trying to keep all that exterior sheathing intact if
it's possible >> for the house. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I only bring it up because by statute, right, he's going to be working on the house under a permit. So the jurisdiction is the building inspector that we can provide advisory services,
but our jurisdiction is invoked on the barn because you filed for a demolition permit. Just so you're aware. >> Any thoughts from people who were on the site visit? >> I was gonna say I think Shanti has joined your meeting. I don't know if she
can hear us. >> Shanti, >> I can I can hear you. Yes. Yeah. >> So, any commissioners have comments on your on the site visit who were there? >> Um, yeah. I mean, I think
there wasn't anything particularly in the I mean, there were some great interior features of some posts and be great to, you know, it was always nice to see that in Robinson Road of of having those. >> We love that. So, >> yeah. Um, so I'm I'm heartened to hear
that you want to do something similar. Um, I think from my perspective, grateful that you do take the care for your the house you live in now and that you are making a concerted effort to try to keep um the exterior
looking a certain way. Um, you know, I do feel like we obviously want everything to stay as close to original as possible, but also it's in my opinion not necessarily always a zero sum game. So like it's
close as we can get sometimes. That's that's a win for us. Um, so I'm, you know, it's always sad to see things go, but it's, uh, as long as it's gonna look, >> it's not going to go. It'll be,
>> it'll be bad. >> It'll be 95%. >> Yeah. >> Historically correct. >> Yeah. >> It's I mean, the windows were done over like none of them even match. I mean, so all the wind
>> so there's got to be something done to >> Yeah. >> Some of the windows don't even open and close. >> No, it's cotton. It's all part of conservation. So, um, but I there wasn't anything like in the barn or on the property that I was like, "Oh my god, this is like >> Yeah.
So um a few >> yeah I feel similarly I think that the while it is you know a neat structure it's it's not feasible to necessarily keep it and utilize it for what you're
looking to do with it and I understand that. Um, so I feel I feel uh you know that's probably something that uh your plan is something that would be acceptable. >> Yeah, I I guess I you know feel the same
way. appreciate very much the chance to look to look at that highly unusual building and uh you know this is always always interesting and you know as I said before I mean I recognize that uh that you know preserving as much as you
can is is what we hope for and we also but we also understand that that with a building like that in order to make it usable for anything today you're going to have to radically change it And that's, you know, you're given us to
understand that you're going to try and do that as sympathetically as possible. And to me, that's that's a great solution. You know, try to I mean, sort of argue for preservation. The whole thing, I think, is is uh is pie in the sky. And I I wouldn't uh I wouldn't uh
argue for that uh at all. So, uh I appreciate that. And knowing what both Ryan and you have done with previous properties, I hope that that's an indication of what you'd be doing with this. And in that if
that's the case, I feel very uh very confident that we'll come up with something good. >> I I personally want to keep a good relationship with all of you. I would like to continue to be able to do this in town. Um, I would be happy to have you come
back and take a walk through what we've produced once we've done it. Um, and and and hope that you're >> I'd personally like to see it. I mean, be fascinating to see how you could how you could go from one to the other. That would be great. >> Yeah. Well, sadly, I'm going to I have
to sell my house. That I'm for all anybody who's lived here for 40 years wouldn't be that old. Um, I started when I was like 20, 25 and
I don't want to move, but I'm going to I'm going to live out back and I could not live with myself. I could not drive into the driveway every day and not do it right. So
I think I hope everybody will be happy with the way it's comes out. >> You were empty. >> No, I wasn't um able to make it to the site visit, but based on everyone who's there, trust their opinion. And I
I come from a long background of working out of renovated historic houses. So, I would be a little bit of a hypocrite if I said that that couldn't be done very tastefully and with a level of historical accuracy. So, if that's what you're committed to, which it certainly sounds that way, I would second third
the motions that have already been stated. >> Yeah. No, I I unfortunately was working. I missed the site visit, but um I concur. Huh? >> I wish it could stay just as it is.
>> Well, I guess that's all I have to say. I I know I can't, but >> Yeah. Well, Jonathan's house isn't the exact same as it always was. >> Excuse me. I >> mean, your house isn't the exact I mean,
you're updated your kitchen. You've You know, we've all done things. My my house is from the 1800s. Driving by I hope it looks has great curb appeal and people like it but I've tweaked it a little bit you know here and there minor that's
what I want to do next door. So Shani you with us? >> Yeah. >> At what point you turned you tuned in um some of the commissioners and and Ryan and Dwight already gave a little bit a little presentation at the beginning.
Um, do you want to share your thoughts on the barn? >> Um, sure. Uh, it it seems to me the commission has already do you know who you of course know who
>> can you hear me? >> But do the rest. Shanti >> Dwight I didn't meet Shante and Linda when they came over in October. >> Okay. Otherwise I was good. >> Yeah. No. >> Sorry Shanti. Go ahead.
I uh I'm not sure. So, I'm sorry. Apologies for being a little bit late. In historic preservation, I understood tonight's uh question to be about determining significance of this
barn structure. And in historic preservation, the measure of significance goes through two lenses. One is criteria of significance and there are four criteria for determining whether something's significant and then whether something
possesses integrity and there are seven there are seven uh elements to integrity. Um, and certainly my my assessment uh is that uh the property in question,
including its barn, uh certainly meets criteria B and C in terms of significance and possesses almost all of the elements of integrity uh location, design, setting, materials, workmanship,
feeling, and association. So my recommendation would be uh that this is a a structure that is uh architecturally intact dating to the
later 19th century. Um it has associations with uh Henry Dixs Kimble the Littleton Giant. Um it's already listed in MRIS as a property um of interest to the Commonwealth.
So, as I understand it, under chapter 65, which is your building demolition code, um the process that you would be going through uh as the historical commission for the town is determining whether this building is significant and
if it is, um uh that triggers further further um elements in the process prior to demolition. It allows you some time to work with the owner to come up with a plan that's acceptable uh to the
community. Um because it's, you know, uh your charge under the town bylaw regarding demolition to consider um the loss of this historic building through the lens of significance. >> Thank you, Shanti.
>> Sure. any thoughts on what Shanti just said? >> Well, no. I mean, I she's absolutely right that uh that the well the determination tonight is historic
significance or not, right? And then if we vote for historic significance, then it begins a period of no longer than 60 days to submit uh a formal proposal for what the building would be replaced with
and look like. And then it requires us to hold a public hearing where we notify a Butters for them to to weigh in as well. So that's what chapter 65 says. All we can vote on tonight is if it's historic or not. That's right. So, do
you understand there's a process? >> So, when you visited in October, October 17th, you were notified of you notified the commission that we the society
>> commission >> commission that this is our intent. So, I just want to make sure that I understand that October 17th was no >> or do we have a new date tonight? >> No, it's not. No. Right. When did you file the permit? >> Uh, we're working on that now. Or
>> I thought you already filed it. No. >> Yeah, the per I believe. Well, I think Joe just did the demo permit, I believe. Yeah. Okay. So, was it when we start? So, >> okay. So, >> when did you you don't know when when >> I do it? I think it was
>> I just signed some docu sign thing. I wasn't sure when the clock started ticking, but So, say it starts January 10th or whatever. It was a couple days ago. >> Okay. So, >> we can use that as the official date. Yes. >> All right.
>> All right. Um All right. >> Yeah. So, >> I had thought that you filed a building permit a while ago demo interior >> demo for the house. >> Oh, which is >> Okay. I misunder I thought that was for the barn. Yeah.
>> So you so you just filed a demo permit for the barn recently. >> Is that what you're saying? >> No, I don't know if it was just for It was internal demo of the house so we could see what we had to to work with. And I think it may have in included the barn,
but I have to ask. >> All right. I can talk to the building commissioner. What the what triggers this whole process for us is the building commissioner when he receives a demo an application for your demo permit. >> Um he is supposed to notify us within 5
days. >> We haven't done that yet. >> Well, I talked to him a while ago, but it sounds like that was maybe the house. >> I think it included the barn and then the interior demo and then we were told that the barn might have significance.
So, he would move forward with the interior demo, but I I will try to clarify. >> Yeah, check with Henry and I'll check with him, too. Um, the reason that we're having this vote tonight on historical significance is because we had 20 days from the time
that I we were notified by the building commissioner to make a determination of historical significance. So, that's today's 20 days after what I thought was the barn, but I'm not sure now. So that's why we're having this tonight. So tonight we vote on historical
significance assuming the demo permit was back when I thought it was 20 days ago. >> That's when we started discussing that. That's why you came out to do your walk. >> And then as Andrew was saying, whatever decision if if this commission votes that the barn is historically
significant tonight, then there's a process going forward 60 days >> within 60 days. Within 60 days, we have to hold a public hearing to decide whether we want to issue a demolition delay of 12 months,
not 10 months, 12 months or not or or some time period in between. We could issue no delay. That's the prerogative of the So, I'm just letting you know the process. >> Yeah. But
Yeah. >> If if you're going to delay me 12 months, then don't waste your time. Don't even have the hearing. I will wait 12 months. I I don't want to be dragged along
anymore. I do not do not do not. Just putting that down right now. Yeah, that's >> I'm going to do everything I can to do it right and I'll fulfill my obligation every step of the way, but I don't want to
wait 60 days and then not have anything and then pour all this money into design and then do this and then have four months down the road, no, change this. I'm not doing that anymore. I want to save it. I want to make it
look great, but I will certainly wait 12 more months. I've waited all this time. I'll wait 12 more months. >> I'm just explaining to you what the process is that we are by law by law, we're required to follow this process by law. >> So, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Let me just just be clear. So, you you you submitted, let's just assume you just submitted your demolition >> or 20 days ago, maybe. We don't know. >> Okay. But recently you you know you've submitted and then you say I'm just
going to wait 12 months right doesn't doesn't work that way in the sense that if if there isn't if you don't go through the process the process doesn't stop >> though I can go through the process but not do anything on my end from a design standpoint that's just going to slow me
down but that's fine if I have to go through whatever procedural procedures you have I will certainly go through Right. >> And again, also even if we did determine it to be historically significant, we can still approve the demolition of it.
Like that's that doesn't necessarily mean that we will not or we, you know, won't like it's it can still happen. I want to work with you guys and I want you to work with me and I want I want to deliver a beautiful project, a beautiful, you
know, curb appeal >> unlike Ruskowski's which is like drives me crazy every time I I drive by. I hate it. But I want it to be something that you can be proud of and that more importantly I can be proud
of. So, do you hear anything different from us? >> I've been getting the runaround from a lot of different people. Not these people and not the historical society. And that and that's where my frustration comes from. And I'm
>> and I I do stuff and then it's like, >> oh, you you didn't do that right. Well, what am I going to do? Well, I can tell you what to do, but whatever you did was wrong. >> Okay. >> So, all right. I'll give >> I'm sorry for like coming off. Don't group us into your common frustration on others.
>> I got it. I hear you loud and clear. We We But but but we are required to follow Massachusetts law the same way you're required to follow Massachusetts law. We're just telling you how it works, right? >> Yeah. >> And and you know to Shanti's point, the the process is prescribed
because it's a structure that was built years ago. You can't ever go back, right? After you make a decision to go forward, right? If we >> blanketly level every house that's more than 50 years old, there will be no
houses from that era ever again. Right? So, you know, >> we we learned that from the 16 and 1700s, right? We didn't preserve and now there 21 of them left in Massachusetts. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the whole construct here. So it's
anyway and we're just just laying it out for you. >> Yeah, just laying it out for you. So I think what is potentially uh you know regardless of where you are in the process, I think we all feel comfortable potentially
starting the process, right? Even though the technically it's supposed to be building delay demolition permit 5day waiting period 20 within 20 days a determine of historical significance right you just happen to come to our
meeting tonight so we don't really know but I think we could probably do the vote right if it's historically significant or not and if it is historically significant we have we have a public hearing right and then that public hearing is the opport opportunity for your neighbors
and people in the community to say, "Hey, no, this is important. We got to do it this way." Or other people or no one shows up, right? No one shows up and no one has anything to say. Then you have full discretion of of us as sort of evaluators on if you get your building
permit or not. If we decide that we don't think so, then it's a 12-month waiting period, which is a cure period in the Massachusetts law. The cure period is for you to say, "Hey, you know what? Maybe instead of tearing it down and building a giant metal building, I'm going to make it look like it did before
and right like you're sort of proposing in which case it's way more palatable and way easier for us to so at that public hearing if I had a rendition of what I thought what we're proposing.
So we get >> neighbors opinions and and who who knows. So is it every is just the abuters or is everybody in town? >> No, it is a very specific uh notification area that's handled by
the building commissioner. I think it is direct to Butters. I don't think however I mean yes open public meeting anyone can show up. >> That's right. >> All right. So if I and then we vote and then you you guys can say okay you can't take
it down because it has huge historical um value and then I can say if you don't like what I'm proposing which is probably pretty close to what we need to do then
it would be then I just wait 12 months. Now, now the proposal that that we would we would bring that would be just the exterior facade. >> Yes. >> So, all you really need to see you don't need to see in the interior layout. Let me let me tell you what at all on
interior. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Robinson Road's different because it had a >> reservation reservation. >> But let me tell you what you need. Okay. So, if we vote, it's historically significant. If we vote, it's historically significant. Within 60
days, you have to produce a packet. The packet needs to contain a map that shows the location of the building. >> Number two, uh, photographs, uh, which includes street views and facade elevations, which I think you
already done, right? I mean, that's pretty much what you did there. >> Well, I have more. I can provide more. >> Okay. Uh, I got to check if you need pictures of internal spaces. I just have to check on that. But, um, it's certainly not for like controlling what
happens to internal spaces. It may just for I think we added that to the law, right? Because of that >> when they took the roof off and it caused water damage inside the house >> and so we wanted it so that it was documented. >> So, like if you decide to sell the roof
before, right? So, anyway, >> so it's internal internal photos. I think it requires internal but I can confirm um description of the building or structure that will be demolished, >> the reason for proposing demolition and
any data that supports the reason um or any economic justification for the need to demolish. and then a brief description of the proposed reuse of the parcel of land on
which the building or structure that is to be demolished is currently located. >> Can you just repeat the >> This is all in chapter 65 of the town. >> But you can go to the town website. >> Yeah. Five is a description of the
proposed reuse of the parcel on which the building or structure is located. So, it's really not that bad, honestly. >> Okay. >> And then in terms of the 60 days, it's within 60 days, but it can't be any
sooner than 14 days from the determination. And the 14 days is the notification period of a Butters, right? because we have to send it's all this like prepaid postage all this other stuff. So you're saying so okay that's
that's within 60 days but within 60 days. >> So if we wanted to present this in 30 days >> you could >> we could do that >> like at our next at our next meeting. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Except we'd have to turn next meeting >> into a public hearing. Right. So we have to have some advanced notice because we
have to give 14day notification. >> And are the meetings when is the February meeting? Is it every month? It's usually the second Wednesday of every month, unless there's conflict, a major conflict with some of the members. >> Valentine's Day. >> Yeah, that's a conflict, isn't it? Is that a Wednesday?
>> I don't know. >> No, it's uh February 11th. >> All right. >> Off off the top of your heads, is February 11th good to meet? >> Well, we have talk to our architect. >> Yeah, sure. >> Sure. >> Well, again, you don't need your architect.
>> Oh, I want to show you. Well, >> oh yeah, whatever you can do. I want >> again. We've kind of done it. >> Well, I want to show you what it's not quite what I see it being. >> Got it. >> Got it. And and so again, so uh your
demolition is of the barn, right? So our jurisdiction is of the barn. >> And just to be clear, that was not I was not sitting with Dwight as I put that together. sharp. >> His vision might be a little different than mine, but I wanted to keep as much >> I think it would be great if you can
bring pictures. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh just another like open disclosure, but if you get into the house and you decide that you want to do a demolition permit on the house, the whole process starts again. If if again demolition
permit, it's registered. So, it would come here for a historic significance determination. You mean like for a full demon? I don't >> That's correct. >> We I don't see us doing that. >> Yeah. No, I'm just telling you, right? I don't want you to be surprised. >> That's understood. Yeah.
>> You go through the process and then you come back and you say, "Oh, by the way, I'm taking the house down, too." Right. Nope. Doesn't work that way. >> We understand that. >> We do. Yeah. Okay. >> So, I just wanted to clarify that um the commission will vote tonight on to as to
whether the barn is historically significant. That does not mean there's a demol demolition delay put on the barn at this point. It's just a vote on historical significance. The vote on demolition delay comes within the 60 days later on.
>> Understood. >> Any other questions or thoughts before we vote? I was going to say I I just mentioned so at the public hearing if there is a vote to impose a 12-month demolition delay the board can rec re
recons consider that at any point in the delay period. So, for example, if you were to, you know, we actually did that with the house uh also on King Street where they got the imposed delay and
then they made some structural design changes with their architect to make it look like the house they were replacing, which was our ask. And so like one month later, we lifted the 12-month delay and they were able to proceed because you
know they were willing to kind of just so you're aware. I mean, so that's how it works. Any other thoughts before we vote? Okay. Um,
should we we'll go right in the middle? >> Well, I think I need a motion. >> We need a motion. >> Yeah. Does that Oh, yeah. Do I have a motion? >> I make a motion that the barn of 359 King Street is of historical significance
uh due to age and the criteria that Shanti suggested. >> Second. >> All in favor? I opposed. Okay. So, the commission has voted that the barn is historically significant.
That is the first step in the process of the demolition delay bylaw. Within 60 days, we will hold the public hearing. We could do it within 30 days if that works. You know, whatever. um on whether the com the commission will will or will
not impose a demolition to it. >> And how long does it take you to send all the send out your registered mail to the abundance and such? >> So the law gives us 14 days. >> 14 days. All right. So >> So we could have soon we could I mean
next month is fine. It gives us just >> Yeah. So you want to do February 11th? And I would say the more information, the more you know, pictures are great. The more things you can present at the the hearing as to what you're going to do, the better it'll be.
>> Yeah. >> So that worked for us. Um >> would I be able to connect a computer here so I could put up so I don't have to do what I did these tonight? >> Yes. Okay. So, so the law the law does state you're supposed to bring 10 printed copies, but I don't
>> I don't think we were adhering to that, are we? I don't think so. >> If you can send it electronically, we all print our own stuff. I usually do. I forgot mine at work, but um >> you can join the meeting electronically and just share your screen. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we can do that. >> Yeah.
Um, >> yeah. Um just a comment that I did make at the um site visit and I would uh make to the full commission now which is that if an applicant uh is using the issue of
structural integrity or lack thereof as the excuse for needing to demolish that uh it is um recommended that there be that their material include a structural engineers report. someone with
experience in historic timber frame structures uh you know supporting that contention that the building is not structurally sound. >> Yeah. So our law is a little different. Our chapter 65 is different. So you uh
would if if you believe it's not structurally sound the bypass path is through the building commissioner's office. they will they perform the structural integrity assessment. >> Well, I mean so I mean I I think more so
what we presented earlier was we we would like to have an 8ft ceiling height. We do need egress windows for the bedrooms upstairs. That's more what's driving that. >> Sure. >> But there I personally believe there are some structural issues but that is not
why we would like to do that. I think he fixed it with the beams in the B. >> There you go. >> When I was putting in the beams, I I was letting down the jack and the beam sunk into the post like 4 in. So, it was like there's
>> I don't know what I'm doing down there. >> You probably didn't use a spanning table. >> Well, it was all dry rot and I probably should have had I'm no engineer. I was just trying to keep it from bouncing. So, in February when you guys come, if you can email us the proposal ahead of
time, that's great. That way, we can all print it off and bring it with us. You'll basically be able to um present, right? It's a it's technically a special meeting. I think we can use it in our regular meeting, but it's technically a special meeting. So, you're asked to present and then anyone who's here from
the public is asked if they would like to give their opinions and then we discuss and we go from there. That's the process. Okay. >> Okay. And so February 11th looks good to you. Sort of >> works for me. Okay.
>> I'll make it work. Okay. >> Well, thank you. >> And and if I have questions, you don't mind if I email you. >> Works. Yeah. So, >> all right. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Going to leave those behind. >> Look forward to working with you
>> on this on this project. >> Sounds good. Thank you guys. Bye. >> Thanks, Shanti. >> All righty. Have a good night. Thank you. >> Well, we have another >> You too. >> Another project. >> Yes, we have another project to foot,
>> right? But I mean, if Shanti wants to stay, she can. She doesn't have to. And >> although I thought he's talking about this >> Oh, this you're talking about. Oh, is this what you're talking about? 359. >> No. >> No. What are you talking about? >> Tunnel the tunnel house.
>> Okay. But so so the reason I say Shandi can stay if she wants to and she doesn't have to is because a reminder that in December this commission voted that the tunnel house is historically significant. >> So you know we we've kind of already done that. So
>> Oh, we're so good. >> So So really >> Yeah. So, really the what I was going to discuss about the tunnel house tonight was um let's see here my notes. Um
so, >> you know the address for the total house just >> um I'm sure >> 550 King Street. >> Is it right off the top? >> No, it might have a different address. >> Says right here. >> Yeah, but that's Did I write that or someone else wrote that?
>> Well, that was what we discussed at all. on 550 King Street, but I thought it might be on another site. Anyway, yeah, you can. Yeah. Um or I could look it up in Mac. >> I could look it I can look it up. It might be new,
>> but it's also been moved to pounds, >> right? Um >> Yes. >> So, I thought that we would discuss the site visit, you know, the site visit that you guys had on the tunnel house and your thoughts about it. Um, and then I just want to mention that the
planning board had a meeting last Thursday about various aspects of the site, but the title house was not included in that discussion. I thought it might be, but it wasn't. >> Um, >> why was it not? >> They had they were discussing other
issues, other concerns. I was discussing the retail zone mostly >> changes minor changes there and the basic >> you were there >> no I watched watched >> did they at all discuss this was kind of a big issue I don't know whether it was discuss discussed that meeting
>> form based code everyone knows what I'm talking about the town has formbased code where the structures are supposed to keep a certain character certain look >> 534 King Street >> 534 I knew it had a different address Um, but the developer has apparently
submitted new plans where the backs or the sides or not the fronts of the buildings are facing the street and I think that is a point that is an issue that's come up. >> Did they discuss that at that meeting? did and they had a peer review. I guess
another town had a peer review and they discussed that in particular and there and apparently the police working on changing that but they they can only do so much because of this the retailers that they're in conversations with uh
have their set ways of doing things and they you know so >> but I guess my question about that I I couldn't attend the meeting but we have form-based code I believe the developer agreed to follow formbbased code in his original plan. So, right,
>> but now they don't want to. So, what happens? >> Yeah, I don't know. >> Yeah, that's that's what they they're like, "We don't want to turn our back on King Street." That's basically what they're saying. And the comment. So, uh they're working towards making it look
more like that's the front of the building, >> even though it's not. >> Even though it's technically not, >> I that's what I got out of it. Um, the Tuttle House one. I downloaded the plan and it looks to me like that's part of that's not part of the retail center.
That's part of like a hotel that they're uh going to build on site. So, it's and I don't know how they're were originally planning to incorporate that into the hotel. Uh, but I don't know if that plan has changed and that's why they want to move it or what. Yeah. I mean, as we
know, they want to move it off site and our recommendation was that it should be kept on site. That's what we recommended. >> Yeah. >> But they didn't discuss that at this meeting, right? Yeah. >> No. Okay. >> All right. So, that's kind of all that I
thought we discussed. Tuttle House. Did people who were at the site visit, any thoughts when you visited it? >> I I know that it had been renovated. I don't I guess I I had a very different image in mind of what the renovation
entailed and like it was very dated carpet and I don't know I just I I thought of I I had a different vision in my head. >> What about the exterior? >> I mean I think the exterior looks fine. That that has always seemed fine to me.
Um, I think knowing that the interior had been renovated, I it it had a dated look to it that I was not expecting. Not bad, but just different than what I thought. Um, it's big. Uh, it would be
very difficult to move, especially with the chimneys and all the fireplaces and all of that. Um, >> well, it has been moved. >> Oh, I know. I know. So obviously >> Shanti thought that the all the fireplaces and everything had been um
reconstructed as a result. >> Um and some either they did a worse job either weren't or or they did a worse job than others. Um but you know that is that is a huge undertaking. It's it is a
a very large house. >> And going back a month to what Andrew was saying, I think I and maybe others have thought about it more. And it really the
site is part of what makes it historic. >> The history of the site and the house on the site. Moving it. Yeah. What is you know? >> Yeah. I I mean I I came away much more with that with that feeling. I mean
Shanti and I wonder I'd like Shanti to comment on Shanti, you still here? >> She is. >> Yep. Shanti here. Yeah. >> Okay. Because I mean you commented and it became obvious to me when I started looking that in fact there's not much of
the building that's really left. You know, the windows are totally new. The interior has been totally reconfigured. It doesn't look at all like a 18 whatever 1750 house or something even earlier than that would
would have looked. So, I'm a kind of, you know, yeah, it's probably very solid and one of these things that's very easy would be relatively easy to move, but I'm not sure it's worth moving if you moved it off site. I
mean, I think the house and the site go, you know, together make an important complex, but if you know, important statement about what the the town was like, but if you moved it somewhere else, you'd wind up with sort of a
a kind of more or less modern house on a lot that never that never had a house. And I'm not sure that that's really worth it. But I you know I don't I mean these are just sort of thoughts that I that I had after sort of looking at it
and uh I wonder what other other people would would say to that. So I was all keen on the idea of moving it but after going around it and looking at it I'm rather less keen on the idea of moving it.
>> He's great. >> And you were at the you were there. What do you think? >> Uh I I mean there's some there's some historical aspects to the house like they saved some beams and put some beams in certain areas that you know you can
see but other than that it you know walking into it you wouldn't it doesn't scream. >> What about the the exterior? >> The front exterior is a little bit more you know it's kind of a neat look but that's really to me that's kind of it. I mean, you walk into the back where
there's a barber shop now, it's got some cool beams, but it doesn't looks more modern to me. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> yeah, moving it. I don't know where, you know, where would it be moved and and there's just a lot of questions and and I don't even know as far as, you know,
what they have on their plan for that the grass area. When you're looking at the house to the right of it, there's a whole it looks like a courtyard situation there. So that looks like that's all going to be renified anyways. So at the end of the day, you're you're
not preserving the house with the land. It looks like it's all going to be sort of cut up. >> Can you share that? Did you get that from the >> Yeah. So it's so you I'll circle it and uh the
house is just going to the bottom. So my thought I've thought this all along. I mean, the whole moving thing is seeming less and less like it's worth doing, but >> also I just want to say like I'm still
in favor of saving the house in any way we can. I I I do acknowledge that it's a difficult move, but I'm like if it can be done, I would >> I agree with you. >> I still really want to save that. >> I want to really save the house, too. And the reason is the form of the front
of the house. To me, you drive by the house and it looks historic. It's in good shape. It it reflects character of of that era, of the colonial era. I think the the the form of the house, the front part
retains the historical character. >> Agreed. >> And that's why I would want to save it. Shanti. >> And when you're saying the the front part of the house, what you really mean is the main block, right? Not just the front elevation, but you mean the the the the
historic footprint of the front? >> The original house. Yes. >> Okay. I just want I just Yeah. I just want >> And the original block, I guess you're calling. >> Yes. >> Yes. The back I don't think is historic, but the front part I think is. Well,
certainly at the interior there are um structural members that are still intact that that help this building maintain its massing and original dimensions. No question. >> So maybe some of that should be
preserved you're saying as well in the interior perhaps. >> Yeah. I mean, the structural framing is is uh probably the most historic of what's left. And so, you know, that's a good argument for uh keeping it intact.
Um because I mean that is historic fabric. >> Got it. I don't know if you guys noticed, but in this map, he also has taken down the um what you call it? >> The mill.
>> The mill. That's his plan and we haven't had in much input on that in the last year or more. So that's something we need to discuss and we better discuss it soon because I don't know if he's gotten approval or not from the planning board.
I haven't I don't know. Do you know >> it's the latest plan from I don't know. It says it's a revised plan on the on the town website and >> but they haven't still there. >> Yeah. >> So I don't know what is planned. Right. >> They approve it. I mean they if they
when they go and pull permits then then like we >> we can't do anything until they pull the permits. >> Right. >> So correct. >> Whether and and if they approve it, we could still say no and delayed involved. >> Correct. >> Right. You're saying the mill building.
Yeah, that's right. >> So I remember his earlier plans had a fac so he was going to take down one of those IBM buildings. Uh, and he had a factory out on the westward side and then all the other was
sort of um this, but I think that this complex here was more that way. So, this is definitely revised from what came across our desk like three years ago because I remember and I I asked I said like, "What is this?" And they were like, "Oh, it's a factory." And it was
because Westford was offering some sort of a tax benefit, remember, on industrial? I don't remember. But >> but he was going to build on the westward side because the land crosses into >> Oh, >> no. But now he has residential out
there. Interesting. >> I think and this I'm not sure about this. I think one of his tenants wants to keep at least one of the IBM buildings. >> One of he's got both of them. I think I think he's got them leave. >> Both of them are staying, right? >> Both of them are staying. the facilities
guy was there when we were walking the house and I asked him and he said they said they had this third floor leased completely and half of the second or something like that. So I think their plan is to keep those buildings now. >> When you went through before it was co and everyone was liquidating all office
space. Everyone was being told to work from home and the real estate of office space had dropped through the floor like it was so cheap that so that's why he was going to tear it down but clearly he left both of them and they're right here
IBM one and two. >> Okay. >> All right. I you know as uh if I could weigh in on the conversation which as you know I was kind of the ass last meeting um kind of really sort of try to stick to it but my other
thought in general which I expressed last meeting too would be >> the town should not get involved it's a private transaction and and if you if we or any of our boards get involved it just makes it more complicated right
it's it shouldn't be on town land. It should like if he pays you mean if it gets moved. >> Yeah. Like use case from a public entity municipal is so much more complicated, you know. So that's why he's still in favor of leaving it there. If he feels like he needs to move it, he should pay
to move it somewhere else on his property. If he is concerned and doesn't want it, he should sell it privately, pay whoever buys it to move it to their property, and the town has nothing to do with it. Well, hypothetically, would we want a preservation restriction on it?
That's something to think about. I don't know. Then the town would be involved if we hold >> Well, that's Yeah, that's a totally different scenario. But I think that uh we we know that it's really complicated,
>> right? So the only the only thing would be >> So So you're suggesting town takes ownership to apply. I'm not saying can't take ownership. >> That's the only way you would get a deed a historical deed restriction unless >> he voluntarily the owners voluntarily
the new owner or the existing owner voluntarily decide. I guess that's more thinking but >> otherwise it would have to pass through town >> right that that's obviously less in our control of the other the other owners would have to agree so we don't have that much control over that >> anyway
>> I think there's a certain amount of control that the town has because this is not you know this is not something that he he can do of right >> I mean this requires special permits and all that sort of thing and so therefore the town can impose various
>> correct >> require requirements in order to give those permits. That's why >> No, he's right. So, the town is involved. >> Oh, yeah. The town, but the town is doing its municipal responsibility through the building commissioners,
through the ZBA. That's totally different than, you know, here's $15,000, you deal with it, which is what I think the that Okay, so maybe I misunderstood the initial proposal, but when you came last month, Linda, it was kind of like,
hey, we're talking about potential town own spots and he's going to pay to move it and then like totally different scenario. >> Sure. >> ZBA stuff, building permits, like that's a that's a formal planning process. No, you're right. You're right. Pierce is
different. You're right. >> Totally different. >> But if if the town or we don't get involved in this, then we have no say as to what happens to the house. I mean, maybe we don't want to have any say I
>> Well, we do because of chapter 65, right? So, it be >> But then it's only 12 month period we have control. >> That's it. That's all we got. That's all we got. >> Right. But if we work with other town boards, >> yes, >> we might be able to keep it on site or
whatever some other, you know. >> Okay. I will put $5 on the fact that our jurisdiction is a 12-month demolition delay. That's that's our jurisdiction. I think that if
if it happens that it gets to here's the offer. I'm going to give you some money to move it, right? and we don't have a place to move it to. You you are looking at buying a parcel of land that can hold a house of that
size, which is hundreds of thousands of dollars, right? That is that is very expensive. So, so you know what I'm saying? like the town would have to come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars for the land to put a property on that then
because we own it would be public use, right? So then you get into the well well let's sell it privately. But if you're selling it privately on town owned and acquired land there's all this sort of additional so it's just a disaster. >> I don't disagree with you. >> Yeah. I'm just saying,
>> yeah, >> let's not, you know, jump on this sword. Yep. I I agree with like everyone. Let's save the building and you know what I'm saying? But like we don't want to own it. The town doesn't want to own it.
Any other discussion on title or is that enough for tonight? Shanti, any last thoughts? Uh, no. I appreciate being able to uh listen in because I I'm sure we'll be talking about it again at some point. >> Yes. Yes.
>> All right, >> I'll hop off now. Have a great night. >> You, too. >> Thank you for participating and very >> Thanks. And again, apologies for being late. See you all soon. >> Thanks. >> Bye. Bye. >> Bye. >> Yeah, I think that that's a it's a real
it's a real problem. It's very hard to figure how you how you deal with that unless I mean if they're not willing to keep it on the property then I don't know what >> right I mean and I guess only hope that they would try to do a private sale of moving it to
someone's >> well let's try let's hope that they keep it on site the planning board could I think the planning board can require that they keep it on site part of the permit >> it would be I mean it would be a real tragedy to lose two very historic properties to this devel
Right. Great. >> I think it would look great uh as a uh near nearby a hotel if the hotel was made in the same style. You have of course the example of the the whatever it is Westford Regency
whatever they call it whatever it's because there's a historic house right in front of that sorry house and barn right in front of that building. For what it's worth, I'm not Yeah. totally happy with the way it looks. I mean, you
know, I don't know whether Do they use that at all? Do you know or does it just sit there and >> they're shutting down? >> Look pretty. >> You knew that. Regency is closed. >> No, I did not. >> No, they're turning it into apartments, I believe. Oh, really? >> It's already It's been closed for couple
months. >> I did not know that. But even when it was in in use, was it the was the >> I don't know. Did anybody know was the >> offices? But I'm not sure if it really was or not. >> What is that, Carol?
>> They said it was offices, but I don't know if that actually is true anymore or if it started out that way. >> So, you know, what is interesting? Just a, you know, off the topic comment, but that proposal also has a lot more retail
than I remember. And so, you know, he potentially wants to take down the structure because it doesn't fit in. So, he could potentially add more retail. But, if you've looked around, uh you go to the second level of the uh what they call it, the point or you go down 110 or
you know, they're building this whole thing over on the on 119 there. Right. I think we got retail. So, >> yeah. And I mean, I don't understand why the point that you know that whole wing
is not. And now now the boxing gym's gone. >> So it's all empty, you're saying? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And even that other gym, Mel never put anything else in there. The the pet store closed. >> Well, supposedly he still has septic
issues. >> Oh, is that is that what like is this? >> Oh, really? I think he can't get permit. >> Did I get that? I mean, I didn't know that. >> Make more sense that like I I I it is it is very strange to be like like there is stuff growing in those buildings
interior wise. >> Yeah. You can't get permits because of that. So, >> wow. >> Well, retail is in deep trouble. You know, you >> right. The big thing the big news today was that Sakf Avenue has gone bank is in
bankruptcy. >> Crazy. or the holding company that holds it is in bankruptcy, which may be part of the reason. Anyway, >> private equity doesn't help for
>> Okay, so the last um item on here is Oh, wait. Public input. Any public input? >> I think he just left. >> Yeah, I don't know who that was. He was at the tour for the >> Isn't it's that was Anton Tony the assistant town administrator.
>> Oh, was that who it was? >> He was at the affordable housing. Was it Was it affordable housing that was also at the um tunnel house walkthrough? >> Yeah, >> he was at the walkthrough. >> Oh, I see. >> I don't know if he's affordable housing. >> Oh, too bad. I could have asked them what they thought, but anyway, too late
now. Um, so the last thing is outreach and the award certificate. Rachel and I haven't talked about it, but >> I sent it to you, didn't I? >> Yes, you did. Okay. >> And all I think I agreed with every what you said. Change there to
his. I think >> Yeah, I was kind of keeping it. >> Right. But there is I don't >> Is his okay? Oh, I don't mind. Yeah. >> Okay. I just I think I had I think I put in there and was like the only thing I would think would be to change it to
his. >> Yeah, I think change to his. Then the only other Oh, citizens. We are honored and proud to have citizens plural at an S like you among us. That's grammar. >> Anyone disagree? Oh boy.
>> Have a have a citizen. Yeah, you could say a citizen like you. That would be all right. >> So I'll link him in with another good citizen. >> So So yeah, you weigh in on this to have she want she's >> Yeah, of course. >> Citizens or a citizen? Which which would
you like? >> Both of them are wrote. >> Doesn't matter. I don't care. >> Other than that, did you guys you guys looked at their certificate, right? And you didn't have any other comments, right? Any other comments? Okay. So, I'm fine with that. Rachel, if you're fine with it,
>> okay, Jane, you get to his and a citizen or citizen. >> Whatever you Whichever you want. If you like a citizen better, I don't care. >> It's referring back to just him. It should be a citizen. >> Okay. Right. >> That's fine. >> Yeah. >> Have a citizen. >> I I'm not an English major.
>> No, no, that's fine. Um, I haven't done anything in terms of contacting boards. I've had my, as you know, my family issues I've been dealing with, but I will proceed with all of the things I'm supposed to do in the next hopefully month. >> Um, so anything else?
>> And when do we see presenting this? >> We don't know yet, >> but at a board meeting. >> I haven't contacted them. I haven't contacted Joe yet. I will do that. >> What? >> Gala Suarez. >> Gala. >> Well, you know, in Manchester, they do.
Oh, we've heard. We've heard. >> Yeah, it is. It's like a sore egg. >> Amazing. >> Yeah, they got past the nerves. >> Great. >> An open bucket. >> I do have a question. Do you think you're going to have any CPC projects or
>> Well, the Westl I mean the uh Fen and Lear Cemetery that would come through us, wouldn't it? >> I Well, Andrew probably would put it together. >> Yeah, he probably would put it together. Yeah. Um, that's a good question. We haven't really thought about it. Um, Shant I think we might want some money for Shanti, but we have to think about
what projects that would be. >> Okay. >> Can we just have like money to kind of keep her on retainer? >> Not for CPC. Um, when do you need the applications? By February. >> In March. I mean, the March meeting. >> March would be okay. >> Trying to get stuff together.
>> All right. >> So, so I thought that retainer would be budget, project would be CPC, >> correct? Right. >> Yeah. So, like like her joining this meeting, we would pay her out of our budget. >> Correct. And she's owed some money. I'll
have to let you guys know, >> you know, for the site visits and the stuff that she's done recently. So, I'll let you know what that is. Hopefully, we haven't used up our budget. I don't think so. Um, but we should think about projects that we might want her for so we can put in for some CPC funds. I have
to think about it. Uh I don't know, three months ago or so, we approved the plaques and you were ordering them. Did they all come in? >> We got the last one recently. Great. >> Yes. >> And then is is this going to be a Chris and I weekend project or are we going to
have the uh the uh whatchamacall? >> I think the Department of Public Works they put they put up the first one or two. >> First one. >> I mean, if you guys want to do it, you could, but you prefer that they do it. the town wants to do it. I mean,
>> I think they should. Now, of course, they're going to be busy. I haven't bothered over the winter because it's winter, but in the spring they're going to be busy, but I think I was going to contact them and have them do it if that makes the most sense. >> Yeah. How about this? Uh, I'll take it
on. Hopefully, I volunte. >> Oh, that's good. >> Because someone has to do it, >> right? We have >> We'll get Rachel involved, too. Between dropping her kid off at soccer and picking her other kid up at the basketball game and going to the Starbucks, we'll we'll squeeze in a
sign. >> They are heavy. At least you didn't think they were so heavy. I think they're heavy. >> It's not heavy. >> Look at Chris's muscles. He could carry that easily. Right. >> But CPA project, you could put in an
elevated marker for uh praying Indians, right? You wanted that to be a higher one. >> Yes. Yes. We'd have Yes, we could work with that. What might be needed? What we would put in the proposal? Yeah. Okay.
Any other CPC projects that people can think of? We can talk about it next month too at the meeting. >> When if we were when would an application need to be in for May or March? >> Uh, she said March. >> Yeah, the third third Wednesday of March because the the warrant closes like the
next Monday. So that's probably the last. >> All right. Anything else? I have a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. Second. >> Second by all in favor. >> Meeting is adjourned.
>> And our next meeting is already set for February 11th.