It's a dexterity test. >> We won't know. We don't have monitor. >> Okay. >> Assuming we're live. >> Okay. It's 6:30. Um we're at the planning board meeting
notice for December 15th. Um we have an agenda. Uh the first item on the agenda is the continued uh public hearing for 242 King Street Storm Water Review. Uh this public
hearing will be continued to the January 8th, 2026 planning board meeting. We don't we don't need to take a vote. >> Um it's best if you do take a vote. Um they're still working through the details of this >> uh let's take a vote. Um and I have a
motion make a motion to postpone or continue the hearing uh until January 8th, 2026. >> Second. >> Are you in favor of continuing the 242 King Street public hearing to January 8th? Do we have a time for that? Um if
you can schedule that one for 6:30. Okay. >> And I believe we'll be in um back in that room 103. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Portland. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Carol, yes. >> And I'm a Yes. Uh item number two is the
64 Beaverbrook Road ANR. Uh after it left our hands, it went to Westford which had some changes >> um >> right and uh which will require us to
reendorse. Uh do I have any um comment on that from any board member? Uh what was the change? I didn't see the email. >> Jeff has it there. >> Oh. Is it impolitic for me to say in general
whatever Westford wanted to do to it I didn't really pay much attention to. >> Yeah. No, the changes are only on the westward side. It doesn't impact the uh Wilton side. So I have no problem. >> But it does affect the overall drawing which will be filed with you know the registry sheets. So um
>> so will it also be filed with the um previous drawing because the other one had information issued for permit. >> Are there two separate drawings? One for Westford, one for >> um well there's
there are two separate um original myars, one for each registry of deeds because Littleton and Westford are two different um counties. Um but the storm water plan remains in place. That one's not changing. This one is um update to
the ANR. >> Okay. >> So, um >> May I >> we've Yeah, we've approved our park. We just need to to want us to stand up and do it. It's
probably easier if we walk over there. that work. >> Um, and we can do that. Well, who's here for this? >> Okay. So, you probably want to get this in your head. >> I'd like them. Yeah. >> So, Daryl,
uh, the next um item is uh board business. Uh, we have minutes of prior meetings November 13, 2025. Um, do I have any comments on the minutes?
Um I had one uh >> in the uh I can't I close the window uh the piece on the le the local light and water um piece
there. Um I think the minutes though don't don't reflect how strongly we requested that it be a full site plan, not just a partial site plan. And it wouldn't just be nice that they did it that we required them to deliver a full plan.
>> I Yeah, that was the only part that I wasn't I didn't think it was strong enough in terms of what >> I didn't realize at the time. I assumed that it was the same engineer. Apparently, it's two different engineers.
>> But it's still not um that complicated to get that information. Yeah, we we can make that correction in the minutes. >> Any other comments? Uh, can I hear a motion to approve the minutes for November 13th?
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Uh, Anna. >> Uh, I'm abstaining because I recuse myself. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Mark, >> yes. >> And yes. Uh,
just take one minute and sign this. You're not doing the bills anymore, right? >> Um, that's great. >> Okay, people go next. And then >> um, next item, bills. There are no
bills. Um we voted last meeting um to uh just leave it to a single signature and that's what we've been doing. Uh public input.
Is there anyone here for general public input? Okay. Um next item 640. Not quite there yet. Uh, is the I'm trying to just move this along. Um, 410 Great Road in formal
discussion. >> I was going to say the only one that's a set time would be the public hearing. >> It's not a hearing and it's only scheduled for 5 minutes. So, why don't we go forward with that? Okay, great. Much appreciated. Um, Morgan Pearson, senior vice president of development for
the fully companies. Um before I just jump in, I wanted to express um my team's appreciation to the board for hosting this special meeting tonight our site plan submission. Before we did that, we asked um Maren and the team if
we could grab five minutes of the board's time to discuss the inclusionary housing um sensitivity by the board and obviously the community and um as it relates to 410 Great Road, one of the the other parcels as part of this greater development. And it's really
sort of informal, but it we wanted to present to the board this concept that our team has been working on whereby we would fasttrack or frontload the inclusionary housing portion or requirement of 550 King Street. And uh
our proposal is to construct uh once we have approval a substantial number of the inclusionary housing units uh at 410 road in the form of deeply affordable senior housing um in a single building.
As the board may know or recall, we are approved uh on that site for 285 housing units. Um we're working through the details now with uh you know depending on the board's feedback tonight and going forward we are prepared to present
uh for a submission uh in the next basically the first quarter of next year. So right away um if depending on on some feedback >> so okay first quarter of 2026 March of next year um that would include
like as I say we're working through the numbers but a substantial number of of the inclusionary housing requirement for 550 King Street. We hope and believe on our side that it's sort of a win-winwin where we're able to instead of staggering over time multiple multiple
phases of uh of the affordable housing piece to put it really in one of the first phases of the project if not sort of the second or one phase. Um also senior housing as a concept wants to be together not sort of dispersed over
buildings. Um and um it would allow us to to to build those first um in sort of response to some of the feedback we've heard from from this board and from the community of wanting to make sure those don't happen last but actually happen sooner than later. So I'll leave it there, but that's what we wanted to
share with the board and certainly welcome feedback from from this group if if you're willing to share. >> Are you talking about knocking them the whole all the mill down and starting there or just a part of it? That's the current plan. Um is, you know, with the
approval of 285 units, it was always going to be requiring us to knock them the mills down, but I think it's part of this would be to to start with a clean slate over there from a from a a parcel standpoint. Yes. But we're still working through those details, but that's the idea. Yes.
>> And what about the sewage? >> Right. So, we have been in contact with LWD on this. you're working through with them, but their initial um their initial response that is, you know, if it get got approval of of the town and the board that that's something they would
accommodate, what we would do is allocate from 550 King Street to allow this to happen. So, with our allocation of 550, reallocate some of that GPD um over to that site. >> Okay. Um comments,
>> I have a question. You're talking about putting all 40 of the deeply affordable senior units at at 410. >> So the if you look at what we're approved for at 550, it's 804 total units. We calculate roughly 81 would be
the requirement. Um so I say substantially is we would try to to to do almost all of those is the is the idea. Um we're still working through the numbers so I'm a little hesitant to give you a definitive number but substantially is you know as close as we can to that 81 units is the idea. All of them. All 80 or all 40 that
>> all 80. All 81. >> All 80 affordable units including the 40 deeply affordable. >> Correct. Yes. >> Additional units require >> and those would capture the with within that additional depending on what we design and build over there. You're
talking about the 285 over at 410. Yeah, that's right. Separate from that. So I I thanks for coming in with that idea. Um so I do have a question about the decision for 410 great road. So condition 23 talks about how the special
permit would lapse 36 months following its grant. And so I believe that that's about now because it was granted in 2022. So I believe that the permit extension the most recent permit extension act
adds two more years to that. >> So tell me more about the extension act >> the permit I I'll check with council and get you the reference but it's my understanding that the most recent permit extension act um extended for
another 24 months all active um approval. >> This is a state state state the governor right. >> Okay. to confirm because >> um if this is something that's being proposed, we want to make sure that it's all within the
>> bylaw. So, I don't I'm pleasantly surprised that we're looking at putting all the senior housing together, which is what we talked about for a long time. Um, I think it solves two issues and you know what to do with the mill and the fact that we're going to get most of our
affordable right up front. I like that and I like the you know the seniors have always said they want to be together makes more sense and senior center and everything else. So I'm I'm happy that you you're coming forward and letting us know this
>> ter. Um, no, I think that sounds pretty good in terms of being able to sort of take the schedule ambiguity of when various pieces of affordable housing will be coming online and putting them all online single phase would be I think
I think a very desirable um outcome. my items of interest for this meeting. The first item is inclusionary zoning and you know from your experience here that we are really focused on that. This
is good. Uh we'll need to um you know see the numbers, the details, the you know whatever. Um but uh I think you can go away that our board first of all to to
group them all together. Yes. Uh and secondly to get the to get your obligation at 550 King out of the way. Yes. So um is that what you need? >> It is absolutely. Thank you. Yes. Yes.
We're working with our um nonprofit uh senior housing partner with the design already when we're about to start. So I we wanted to hear from from the board first and that gives me confidence to let our design team move forward. So thank you very much. >> As Mr. Chair said, it would be nice to
be able to know more of the details. When do you think you can come back with that? >> Absolutely. >> No. When do you think you >> Oh, I'm sorry. Could you Yes. Um, like I said, we're we're focused on um getting something in the next few months. And if you like a preview, we can absolutely
work on coming in with sort of a preview or having a staff meeting. Uh, whatever the board prefers. >> I think since it's now being linked directly to 550 King, I think you need to it needs to be a part of our regular
um review meet, you know, an item in our regular review of the project. So >> my intent, just to be clear though, was our intent was to actually make a formal submission like you're like we're going to go through this evening for the retail phase one. >> We would be prepared to start working on
that immediately so that we could submit the first quarter. But if I'm I'm I'm hearing correctly, if you'd like something a preview that before we submit, we're certainly able to do that as well. >> I think more information is better than >> less information. >> Yeah, understood. H I would appreciate it if that preview would also get sent
to the affordable housing trust. >> Yes, it's a good suggestion. >> So, just so you know, Bartlett has been designated as trust. >> Um, okay. So, we now are at 6 almost
6:45 and we are here to open a public hearing for King Street Common 550 King Street phase one storm water review number one
to amend the definitive subdivision number two and site plan Um, you need to read the notice. >> The Littleton Planning Board will hold a consolidated public hearing on Monday, December 15th, 2025 at 6:45 p.m. The
multi-purpose room 1 in the center on Shadic at 33 Shadic Street um to consider a storm water management permit application under chapter 38 of the code of Littleton. B. Amend the definitive subdivision in accordance with Mass
General Law chapter 40 section 6 chapter 41 section 81S and the Court of the Town of Littleton chapter 249 subdivision of land regulations and C site plan review. The property is 550 King Street assessor's map U8 parcel 10 owner and
applicant 550 King Street LLC. The applicant is proposing over 300,000 gross floor area of retail, restaurant, residential, and enclosed parking for the first mixeduse phase of the King Street common development. The light and
storm water improvements are proposed proposed over 4.3 acres on several of the parcels. Applications and plans can be viewed online, the planning board page of the town website, or at the planning board and town clerk's office
during their business hours. Any person interested or wishing to be heard on the proposed work should provide written comment to the planning board office or attend the public hearing. Any questions, please contact the planning board office. Um then we we
discussed the renot renotice that will be done for the subject. >> Okay. Um so we anticipate this to be a multime
um you would express the interest in three that would be great but it may or may not happen. Um but I want to talk to there people in the audience who are here as um
uh citizens. Um we'll have presentations from the developer. We'll have comments um from the board. Then we will have comments from the um
uh you know whomever is at the meetings. Now this is a hugely complex project. Um we have done something similar at um the point. However, this is
a little more complicated as it's got more uses. Um, and in the interest of using your time to the best, I would like to tonight go
over the broadstrokes uh because there will always be details that people will focus on and have input on. But uh we'd like to to the extent that we have requests for
um more information or whatever, we'd like to give you the chance to, you know, get that together. Um for instance, inclusionary zoning. Um we really
you know that may go that that is one of the primary concerns of the pro we have of the project. It is now linked to a potential uh project that we haven't seen yet. Um, and so
what I'm about to say may not be applicable, but we really, especially since the first phase did not propose any um inclusionary zoning housing, um, we wanted to, uh, get a
very detailed, um, I don't know how you would describe it, a spreadsheet, whatever, you know. phase, number of units, what which ones are deeply, you know, the affordability,
one, two, three bedrooms, the whole picture. If it would be still applicable for 410. Um, it's just the same thing in the phasing, not so much. Um the other
concern that we had was if if we um go forward with fewer um units in each phase that that are proportional.
What is the me and for whatever reason the project does not go forward in the way that everyone's hoping it does. what is the uh mechanism we have to get our affordable units. I don't know if there's any precedent for that. I don't
know. Um but I in a lifetime of architectural projects have been involved in several that have not come forward you know over. So um that that's the one. So let's take this
inclusionary zoning thing. We've already had a discussion about it, but I want to open up additional uh time for any members to talk about it. >> I I think we're ahead of the game if I agree. >> If they're talking about putting 80
units over at 410 and they're all going to be affordable, that's pretty much the whole project >> or almost the whole project. >> So, if there's between 60 and 80, I'm we're we're playing with house money as they say.
And as we go forward in in reviewing this first phase, um the housing component is minor, not minor, but in Littleton standards, but minor in your project standards. Um
so with that linking maybe we can put that aside but we do would like to be we we have to understand how it's going to work before we can um bless this first phase. I would agree with that simply because if not then we
have to get back to the whole notion of if there's 44 units planned in this particular at this particular site then are 10% needing to be affordable or not and so being able to have
um the 410 great road question answered is going to be critical. So I would agree with that. I also just wanted to ask >> let them go get to work. >> I also wanted to ask are you thinking those 44 units will be rental or ownership units? >> Rental.
>> We'd love to present our sort of deck to the board if that's okay. Unless you Okay. >> Um >> I mean we've seen a lot of it. So okay, for the rest of >> Yeah, we we're we'll try to keep it um concise and efficient, but we'd love to be able to speak to some of you. I think
there's one thing to be able just to submit something another to >> to hear us uh hopefully give you a little bit more context. >> Um if I might before begin I don't know if I should introduce myself again for the record or not but Morgan Pearson, senior vice president of development for the Leapole Company's proponent. Um we
brought our entire team tonight just uh obviously this is extremely important to the to the community but it's very important to to our organization as well. Um if you would just indulge me I just want to make sure acknowledge everybody here. Um from from Lei we have Mary Lei, Sali Jr., Mike Donado, um Gary
Armstrong, um and that's our team within Lei. From the design side, we have Dave Snell, Robert Lynn, um who the master uh architects, master plan architects as well as the the design team for this retail phase. Um we also have Jeremy Gman who's sits in the back with uh with
Gary. Um Jeremy is the president of Gman Development Group. He has been brought on as a retail expert. He and his company own and operate retail across the country. Uh have been a tremendous resource in in guiding the evolution of of the retail village that you're you
guys are reviewing tonight. Um last but not least, we also have uh TEC. We have Chris Raymond and Alex Cer who you're going to hear from later. Who am I missing? Did I miss anybody? Oh my god. Last not definitely not least, but we have Joe Picoello who is uh the lead
landscape architect. Um also kind of our ace up to sleeve because Joe is also a longtime Littleton resident. So um he's brought a lot of that knowledge and experience to the team. Um and that's been that's been tremendous and you'll hear from him as well. So um before I I
hand it over to Chris Raymond who's going to just give us a little bit of background and then jump into the presentation. Um, Cher Yates, you said something I just want to touch on as well, which is this is a very complex project and I think because of that, it often seems like not a lot is happening.
Um, but the reality has been tremendous amount of work has been going on both on our side and in conversations with city staff, which I acknowledge has been just a tremendous partner in this as we have worked to push things forward. Um, as you'll see, we've made advancements on
the infrastructure that's been required to unlock a lot of these parcels. And perhaps most importantly, just last Friday, we got word from LWD that we can hook into the wastewater system of the town, which is is I think the board
understands um a really critical element of moving this project forward. So, the timing could not be better. And then that's not even to speak of the MEPA approval we just received this month as well. So, a lot has been happening um despite maybe what it seems on the outside and we're very excited to be
here this evening to be presenting this first phase of the retail board. So, with that said, I'll hand it over to you Chris. Okay. Thanks, Morgan. Good evening everyone. Uh Mr. Chair and members of the board. Um I think most of
you might know me by now. Um for those who don't, I'm Chris Raymond from TEC. Uh before we dive into the heart of today's presentation, tonight's presentation, uh I just wanted to give everyone kind of a quick refresher on uh on on all of the the great
accomplishments that we've we've had on this project to date. Um it's been four long years um or short years, I guess. Um uh and just kind of recap all all all the accomplishments that we've we've that's gotten us to this moment. Um
actually, if you want to Yeah. Um so this great partnership between uh Leolei and the town started back in August of 2021. Um IBM had vacated the site and Leoli companies and and the town uh got together to establish a vision uh for
this site. A vision that consisted of revitalizing this uh this once bustling uh office park um into a lively mixeduse development. Um shortly after that uh we got quickly to work um to make this
vision a reality. Uh first we had to establish some zoning changes uh at the site uh and we created the King Street Commons Overlay District was which was approved at a special town meeting in October of 2021. Um that that following summer in June of
2022 um we worked with this board here to get approval of the master plan special permit on the site. Um >> Chris, quick question. How long is your presentation? >> Huh? >> How long is your presentation? How many slides? >> Um I'm just doing two slides. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Just wanted to know if I should move to the other side. >> Oh yeah. >> Um >> there's more than two. >> Oh, just my you should probably that way. >> Good call. Sorry,
>> there'll be a lot to see now. You're you're going to want to see some slides, I think. So, um Okay. Yeah. So, uh with the help of this board in June of 2022, we got approval of our master plan special permit. Uh that following year in May of 2023, we had discussions with
LLWD um and entered an agreement to reserve uh some sewer capacity in the town's new sewer system, uh which was a crucial uh part of this development. Um in November of 2023, um we also worked with this
board to get approval of our definitive subdivision plan. Um and we also uh began uh the Mass Works grant um process which um was we which we used to uh uh construct the uh infrastructure on the
site. Um in June of of the following year uh we came back to you guys to amend our our master plan special permit. Um at that point we had acquired the Yangz parcel. Um and we have identified a need for a boutique hotel and some increased retail on the site
which will come into play later. Um that following year in May of 2025, so that was earlier this year. Um some of you might remember we had a great groundbreaking ceremony out there as we started construction of the infrastructure on the site. Um, and then
just recently, um, this December, as Morgan kind of alluded to earlier, we just received MEEPA approval, um, which was a great hurdle to overcome. Um, we just finished up or are in the process of finishing up our, uh, phase one
infrastructure project. Um and then just last week as as Morgan mentioned um a a really critical step for us was we we finally got um authorization to tie on to the town sewer um so that we can start to discharge which is a pivotal point so that we can actually start
these developments to tie on to uh that that critical infrastructure for us. Um and then next step is tonight where we uh really get to dive into phase one uh retail uh site plan review. If you want to go to the next slide,
just want to give a quick update on what's going on out there right now. Uh I'm sure most of you have been by the site and um have seen, you know, a lot of the construction activity. Um thankfully on Google, uh they have a pretty recent photo which you could see um you know, as you're driving by the
site, you might not realize how much is going on out there, but um this Google aerial is um really shows how much uh infrastructure we've we've been able to put out there um over the last year. Um so phase one infrastructure is nearing completion as we speak. Um just
wrapping up pretty much some punch list items. Um we've begun uh we've gotten the contractor for phase two under contract and looking to start phase two of the infrastructure which actually if you can you click. Yeah. So outlined in green here is the
uh extensive fa the phase one infrastructure that is complete which includes um the new roadway through the site. Um, and you can see a couple little dash boxes which include uh some of the critical infrastructure um like water, sewer, drainage um improvements
that run down the King Street. Um, and if you click again, this is the outline showing uh the phase 2 infrastructure which will um extend the utilities um that we've just installed down to Great Road. And in the spring, uh, this coming
spring, we're looking to, um, start phase three of the infrastructure projects. Um, so with that, just wanted to give you guys a a brief overview just to kind of recap all the great accomplishments that we've had to date. Um, I think it's it's, you know, it's
important to realize 90% of the iceberg is underwater and that's really representative of what we've been working on the last four years is the the the structure of this site and teeing up all the getting all the permits in place, getting all the infrastructure in place um
so that we can build the foundation for um for for this development and so that we can get started on the upper 10% of that iceberg that everyone likes to marvel at. So, um, with that, um, we're happy to to finally be able to be here
with you guys tonight to to start looking at that 10% as we, um, look at retail phase one. So, um, actually, if you want to click Yep. So, tonight we're going to be uh discussing uh, site plan review for our retail development, phase
one retail development, and the associated storm water management permit that goes along with that. Um, and then it was kind of mentioned earlier, but we are also having a a submission into the board for a minor amendment to the
definitive subdivision plan um, which helps facilitate this development, but we will be formally presenting that to you at the January meeting. So, with that, I'm going to hand it back to Morgan to uh, to dive into retail phase one. Thanks, guys.
>> Thanks, Chris. Yeah, me again. So, we wanted to provide a little context to the board. Uh, this is the approved master plan from 2022 and then the amendment in 2024. Martin, if you go to the next slide, just focusing on this portion of the project uh this evening
per our submission. If you go to the next slide, Martin, this is the zoomed in version of that approved master plan. Uh again wanting to show the board what it looked like before what what has been approved and then if we go to the next slide Mar um what we're proposing this
evening. Uh our hope and and a lot of the effort that went into the submission before the board this evening uh was based on uh what we believe is very much consistent keeping consistent with the master plan that's been approved. Um I
think we believe this these images show that um just high level for for the board this five buildings. Um essentially there's four standalone retail structures singlestory. Uh in the past I think the board has seen some
videos and other uh renderings that showed uh twotory buildings with residential above. I think working with some feedback from the community and the board, we uh chose to reduce those to singlestory uh structures focused entirely on retail and then keep um
building 1300 uh pretty much similar to what the original proposal was, which is a wrap structural garage with retail and residential um as part of the mix. Um I think the other thing I would want I wanted to highlight on this slide is
that uh in the early days or during the site plan or during the initial master plan approval there was discussion of a more phased approach to the retail. This that's before the board uh today is again for sort of fasttracking more
retail um in this single phase instead of over over a larger period of time which we hope is would be received well by uh by this board. Um, and a lot of that is also based on our better understanding of the retail market. Um, and and what other retail tenants want
to see, which is kind of a critical mass, I think, as I've I've said to this board in the past. Um, if we let me see what the next slide is, Mir. Yeah. So, this is this is the program here. It shows what we're proposing um in this submission and and
what would be remaining from here. The other thing I just wanted to mention uh is that and and you're going to hear this I think from some of the other uh team members this evening, but um the project cannot happen without
signing retail leases. Uh they are critical in both getting financial uh lender and and and debt approval from banks and and moving forward to construction. And to get retail tenants to sign on, we need to have both flexibility and also adhere to the
standards and requirements of a lot of these retailers. So, a lot of our effort has been to both meet the spirit and also the actual specifics of the formbbased code, but when necessary, make sure that we're also listening to the marketplace, uh, the retail tenants
that we've met with, uh, the experts that we've brought on and hired to help us uh, understand how these buildings need to to function and be viable for uh, future retail tenency and and then tenants beyond that as as tenants turnover. are these buildings designed
in a way that um as as tenency changes over time that we can continue to attract new tenants so there's not vacancy. Uh so all of those are are really a critical uh backdrop I'd ask the board to think about as they as they look at the renderings and the layouts
uh this evening just just how critical that is to to making this project successful. Um, so with that, I guess I'll hand it over to Alex to talk a little bit more civil side. >> Um, so fun stuff. Storm water mitigation. It's a site that was built
in the 80s originally and um, now we're we're bringing this up to current standards. It's a big it's a big big deal for this site because it's within the Oxford Protection District as you know. Um that's one of the special permits that we had to go for originally
um to to really uh hyperfocus on our treatment and and uh storm water recharge, make sure that water gets back into our groundwater table. Very important for this location. And um we think we're doing a really good job. We've looked at this um in a in a lot of
different ways that we could get this uh to be successful. And we've done countless amount of test pits to find the right locations. And what we landed on was uh some proprietary treatment devices and some large scale detention
and infiltration uh products that um what's going to do is maximize our surface um use with open space in areas that we're trying to maximize the landscaping areas. Uh we're going to utilize underground detention structures
to get the water back water table for for recharge purposes. Um if we go to the next slide, um going into traffic now, uh like like we already highlighted, just had the MEPA approval uh late last month. And uh
I just want to show you this slide to show you the the scale of our study if you're not familiar with it. Um I know you all have some copies of this uh at least digitally. And um uh what we wanted to show you here was we this was the biggest traffic study I've ever been
involved with with a project. This 15 intersections and rightfully so. This is a huge project. So um what we did is we we coordinated with uh Meepa Masdot to figure out the appropriate mitigations that were required to have this site
developed full scale. And what we what we came came to through that process and uh uh found out just uh recently here is we had a series of mitigations which if you go to the to the next slide please
Marin uh it's if this is a list of of majority of the um off-site mitigations that required to be do but if but if you look at it it's focused on pedestrian accommodations, bike accommodations, intersection improvements, a lot of
timing signaling updates and uh really really the majority of it is focused on that um pedestrian experience and making sure it's safe and accessible. Um so you can see there's there's a lot of focus on um connections from the point to
across 495 with new sidewalks, new um crosswalks and um uh RFB signs. So those rectangular flashing beacons on on the ramp to make sure we're safe um as to the maximum extent practical and um
uh looking at uh traffic signal modifications uh for the timing on those same intersections. Um and then within town, you know, the commons, we have uh curb ramps, crosswalks, and uh other
other improvements that are, you know, a little bit more um uh top coats with pavement resurfacing and pavement markings. But uh otherwise, all these all these improvements will need to be constructed um as part of
or prior to occupancy of our first retail base. So that's something that we've we've identified through our coordination with Mass Eye, but that is a requirement of of this size of a project that we're proposing for this this evening. So um just
this isn't like your typical project where we can phase things in when we do a large scale like this. We through that coordination, all these mitigations have to be constructed prior to the retail phase one to be occupied. Um, so with that brief run through, I
think we're ready to go to the next slide and I'm gonna hand it off to Joe Fichello. >> Good evening. Joe Fichello. I'm a senior landscape architect at Albertson Time Bond, also resident of Littleton. So unlike my design team colleagues, this is a project I literally have to live
with. So, it's something that, you know, I um you know, I I have a lot of input in in terms of of wanting it to be something that I'm proud of and uh hopefully we can look at that. So, uh I'm going to start off kind of working around the edges and then we'll kind of look at the
at the core in the next slide. Um and essentially kind of run through the pedestrian experience and what we're trying to do uh within this this phase one portion uh in the retail core. So along King Street, uh the goal there, uh from a pedestrian perspective is to make
it as comfortable as possible and to add sort of these permeable kind of intuitive zones in um and doing that obviously King Street can be pretty, you know, as a pedestrian kind of loud um and uncomfortable. So, what we're
proposing is that along that that edge of King Street, we put a sort of a treeway in there, um, you know, in order to sort of buffer the pedestrian along that edge, introduce street trees, uh, where we can, uh, you know, trying to
make that a continuous kind of uh, corridor of trees on the, uh, the edge of the project there. pen. All trying to make that feel comfortable from a pedestrian perspective, but also, you know, as you're driving through, it sort of highlights that this is a uh a project here and kind of gives it a
little bit of of a presence on on King Street. Also, along that edge, um it's kind of hard to see in the slide. It's a little washed out, but um along sort of the the project side or the back side of of the sidewalk there, uh we're going to be introducing
some some stone walls. Um, and that's going to do two things. One is, you know, kind of again thinking of that pedestrian scale, kind of making it feel comfortable walking through there. It's going to help us take up the grade because we all know this is kind of a complex site. Uh, and then it's also
going to sort of anchor those buildings uh and give it sort of a ground plane along that edge. >> Excuse me. Could you say exactly where these stone walls? >> Yeah. Um, there's a pointer today. Can I can I deal up with this point? Sure. Sure. Um,
so along along this edge here, it's not going to be continuous. Um, and we're still sort of working exactly where they are. We have to again work with grading uh and work with, you know, where pedestrian makes sense to get pedestrians through there. But it's going to be a sort of a porous edge. Um,
and and it'll sort of help anchor those buildings too along that along the sidewalk there. And then on the other side of that, we'll have some, you know, another kind of planting zone. So there'll be sort of this nice buffer between the roadway and faces of the building there.
Um, as we're sort of working from 12200 down along King Street, you'll kind of see as we get to 400, there's a sort of first uh or second cut in, sorry, on the on the on the east side of of 1200, we have a an entry point into the project
there with a set of stairs and then again working down as we get to 1400. Another sort of access point along that parking edge there. And then continuing along King's Street between 1400 and 1500, we have sort of what we're calling our little kind of best pocket park. Um,
and you can see there along King Street, it's a little bit more of a broad entrance. It's sort of meant to sort of uh kind of catch your eye and pull you in if you're walking along that edge, but also if you're driving along that edge, kind of having that that gap that isn't a vehicular entrance, I think will
be kind of nice in terms of kind of breaking up that edge and calling your attention to the project. And then as you continue down along King Street on 1500, we have kind of our final pedestrian access point up along that edge up working towards 1300. Uh again,
you know, we're going to try to introduce where we can some tree planting and and tree pits along that edge. Uh you know, to sort of soften it and make it feel comfortable as you're walking along there as much as we can. And as we get up to the plan north of 1300, we're sort of picking up on a
similar detail that we're doing along King Street where we have our roadway edge. We have a buffer of planting with some trees and then our sidewalk and then the edge of of the building. And that continues essentially along our main street or our or what we call sort
of access road up there. Um so that's sort of the edges of the project. And then if we go to the next slide, we'll kind of take a quick look on on the interior. And so the whole goal here um as well as kind of creating a nice
retail core is to create an experience um where it's kind of some a place that's unique. It's a place that'll sort of stick in your head, place that you'll you remember. And that's going to be an advantage to to people that come visit here, but it's also an advantage for
retailers. Will, you know, they'll kind of remember this. this will be a great space for them and they'll want to stay and um you know help with uh occupancy rates here and create just a successful project all around. And so if we start kind of plan plan west um you'll kind of
notice as we're working east uh we have sort of this this open transition zone and that's coming from the green which we're still kind of thinking about and design that's kind of an important space. So that of course is going to tie into this that point there will be our transition zone as we're coming in to
sort of the core of this pedestrian um walkway kind of see how we've started to segregate it. Do we still have the crosssections the next slide? There we go. This is going to be helpful here. So you see how we kind of started organizing that space between
the buildings along this pedestrian core where we have what we're calling a retail zone which is a 4ft zone. Uh, and that's essentially going to be given to retailers to put their kind of sandwich boards out there, you know, some displays or also there could be sort of
movable planters along that edge that could correspond to different times of the year. Essentially, it's it's kind of a an edge against the building um that starts to speak to what's happening within those retail shops. And then we have our retail circulation
zone uh on either side of that uh which essentially is sort of that that through access as you're going from shop to shop. That's kind of that clear zone. And then we have that space between which is sort of that programming zone. And that's where we see sort of uh you know different kind of smaller things
could happen in there where we have movable benches and chairs. There could be movable planters in there. with the permanent uh you can see we have some permanent uh planters in there and those we're thinking uh would be edged with seat height stone walls potentially with
wood seats on top of that uh just to kind of create these little pockets of of um kind of a respit along that entire edge there. Um and you know those could kind of circulate throughout different seasons. again, uh maybe there's some
popup retail uh kind of events that happen there to sort of showcase different things that are happening uh within that court. And then you can kind of see our little vest pocket park there. Um where you know that's going to have a little bit of a different feel
from that corridor or that pedestrian walkway. Um where you can kind of go down there, take a break, wait for somebody, um have a little sandwich or have a coffee. Um, but the whole, again, the whole goal is to make this kind of interesting experience, something that's
unique. Um, and that's kind of sort of bring people back to the space. I think that's all I get. Here's a view uh kind of looking in there showing what that starts to look like. Oh, one thing I I didn't mention was the lighting. Um, you
can see here in this image, we have uh catary lighting and and right now we're looking at two different types. There'll be um Actually, if you go back one, sorry to keep jumping around here. Uh, if you can see sort of at this edge,
we have sort of gateway catinary lighting, which is sort of these entry points along here, and there's one down the upper end. And those are kind of larger fixtures uh, and they're more to sort of act as an as an entryway or gateway through. Then we have sort of smaller catinary lighting and key kind
of zones that are meant to sort of signify kind of nodes or places to kind of stop and and come to our best. Um and if you go forward to the image again uh so you can see that kind of that the gateway fixture that we're
considering here and you can also see kind of that center uh planter with the right now it's shown as kind of a stone seaw wall with a wood top on it. But again, what we're trying to do is create these moments and these these points along this linear corridor kind of
within that that sort of flex zone and then your circulation is out at the edges and that point, you know, those edges are for the retail uh experience. I think that's all I got
and then I'll turn it over to David. >> Hi folks, Dave S from PCA. uh principal at the firm and uh we're really happy to be here showing you these uh these buildings that we've been a part of uh shaping for for quite some time now. So
as we go through um I'm going to take you through a series of views and kind of call out the program on a per building basis. But just to start, just wanted to say um what we're trying to accomplish here and I think what Joe
started to show is something extremely unique. It's it's to create a destination and a and an experience for the residents of Littleton and the visitors from beyond that is unlike anything in the region. Our firm
specializes in mixeduse retail centers. We've done many of the ones that you've probably been to around the area and across our portfolio we don't have anything that is quite like this and we're very excited by that. One of the things that was really uh important for
us when we look at the uh the zoning is the intention the intention to create a mixeduse inherently walkable and environmentally sound town center. We believe that we're doing that here. And the idea of bringing people off of
King Street and into the site uh into this pedestrian way, we believe increases the safety. It creates this experience that is pulled away from vehicles. Um and it really puts you
inside of this room that is something uh really special that our retail uh retailers can are getting really excited by. and we know the res residents will as well. Um so within doing this, you know, we're provi prioritizing safety,
the continuity of the sidewalk, the the public realm and um so as we look at the buildings, you know, they really are organized around this central space. This this view here is taken from uh
across the green. And as was mentioned, we're going to come back to you and and talk to you about what the, you know, our vision for the green soon. Um, so what you see here on the left is building 1100 and the right is 1,200. Um, we'll walk through the program of
all these buildings. Um, and I hope you can see that we've taken a great effort to really work to design buildings that meet the spirit of the formbbased code. We have a healthy respect for what is in the code. we understand this intentions
bei behind it and as Morgan mentioned uh we've been working really closely with the retailers and our retail experts to understand where in some ghee places we actually need some accommodations from the forbased code and I'll take you through them as we go through here but
they're basically in three categories the first being uh the primary masses the second being the height of 1100 and the third being the fenestration requirements along King Street. So, as
it relates to primary masses, uh, as Morgan mentioned, retailers need a certain footprint, a certain dimension in order to make their spaces viable. So, our buildings all use all of the components that are in the form based code, the primary mass boxes, which are
put together with connector elements projecting storefronts, awnings, canopies, and such. However, the footprints of some of those masses exceed the size limitations. Um, and again, we just stress that we are working hard to continue to break the
buildings up into more and more components. Um, so that they still feel like traditional New England buildings while also delivering on these floor plates that really we need in order to make the retail viable. Uh, the second piece here just related
to building 1100 and its height, it's a about three feet taller than uh is is allowed. And the primary reasons for that is uh we were proposing a two-story restaurant here and we've been vetting this very closely with the restaurant
tour about this the needs of that second floor and the overall heights. Um additionally the way in which the height is measured in the code has to do with going to the midpoint of the slope of the roof. Um, so it actually is calculated as a taller building than uh
1,200 is even though they're very similar in height. So we're trying to do something here that is memorable, is iconic, and it sits on the green, has a lot of breathing space around it from an urban design perspective. And we hope that um, you know, you can you can see
the value in the few extra feet in this particular moment. Um, if we go to the next slide. So this shows you um building 1100 here. So about 12,000 square feet of restaurant. This is thought to be two restaurants. The one on the right would be two stories. The
one on the left would be a single story. Both of them have um projecting storefronts and these gallery elements which create covered outdoor season seating uh to extend the season. So, we're really trying to create indooroutdoor connection, the activation
of the public realm, uh, and and really enticing places to to be. If you go to the next slide, uh, this is building 1200. Again, currently thought to be uh, a restaurant on the green. And you can
see here, you know, um, slightly different articulation, but again, the combination of projected storefronts, different types of dormers, gable roofs. Each of these buildings is using traditional New England materials, whether that be brick, clabard, shingles, uh, and the like. And we're
trying to mix up the materials as we go to make sure that we have a really robust character. Uh, you can see the retail expressions for the different retailers along the way. Um, and you'll see that repeated as we keep going. So this building is singlestory, 12,000 square feet. Uh if we go to the next
slide, this slide is uh standing across King Street and looking at the character of what King Street will feel like. And so what you see here in the foreground is building 1200 looking down the road towards 1400 and 1500. Uh in this slide
I can start to talk about the third um uh waiver that we're looking for which relates to the fenistration requirement. So, there's a requirement in the formbbased code for how much uh glazing and fenestration that you have and we are meeting that requirement along the pedestrian way. We're having our
retailers face into that environment that we're creating off of King Street. Now, the normal retailer would probably say, "If we don't have anything on King Street, let's just do a blank wall there." And again, we are trying to go above and beyond. We are articulating
the facades as you can see all the way around. they are not to the percentage of the requirement that is um that is in the form based code. However, again I just want to say that on the other sides against the green and against the pedestrian way we are meeting those
requirements. So um we hope that you can see uh that in spite of the fact that we're meeting there we are also uh making great strides on uh if you go to the next slide. Uh so here's building 1400, another singlestory retail building. Uh 4ish
tenants, you know, shown in this one right now. Um different types of dormers, different types of um you know, articulation of the retailers. Again, it's it's when you bring all these pieces together that you get that view that uh you saw when Joe was speaking.
Uh this one is almost 13,000 square ft. Um, and then the next page is building 1500, uh, which is a little bigger at 13 1/2. Uh, and again, changing up all of the component pieces, but using all of the different pieces
that are within the languages of this traditional New England and what is within the formbbased code. Uh, if you go to the next slide, this gives you a shot looking back down the pedestrian way toward the green. Um and you can see building 1500 here on the left, 1300 on
the right. Uh important to note and I think you might have seen but you know 1300 is primarily screened from King Street from um just it is taller. However, being set back um and articulated in the way it is uh
you know its presence is is is quite nice actually the and the scale that it creates with the pedestrian way uh we believe proportionally fits very uh very nice. Uh it is made up of a series of massing elements. It has balconies and
dormers throughout that really help to you know bring the character through uh even at this enhanced scale. The one uh additional thing related to primary masses in the farm based code is that there's a maximum of three typically allowed. Building 1300 uses four. The
reason for that is to fully screen that parking garage. So nowhere from King Street is that parking garage visible. Um and you know that we believe is a is an important characteristic for the overall experience of the site. U if you can go to the next slide, this gives you
a sense of uh the rhythm here. So residential on the top two floors, 44 units, retail all along the base. Uh a multitude of different users there. There's the garage which is being
wrapped um which has uh 4 487 spaces. And then we have um about 25,000 ft of retail restaurant space. And then the next view, this just gives you a sense of everything together from
the ped. So this is the two sides of the pedestrian way uh to really give you a sense of how the buildings play with one another and how they they all relate in a nice way that they feel like they belong. However, each one has its own individual character. I know that on
screen it's kind of hard to see the materials, but each of the bodies of the buildings uses a different material. Um and the accents pull from different colors and different textures so that we have a vibrancy throughout. Uh and then
the last uh one here is showing the King Street facade and again so you can see the variety even uh along King Street uh where we are putting you know expressions from each of the tenants through uh you can see the different uh masses and the roofs and the dormers
still coming through on this side. And so uh the last slide I believe so this just in summary I just want to you know just say all of this aside you know this there's some specifics in the formbbased code we are really just excited about
this project we believe that it meets what the what Littleton is looking for creates a destination a memorable place that is unlike anything in the region and you know that it's going to be something that people come back to time and time again. it's an asset to this
community uh and it's really can be a beacon of what can be done um you know when development and the talents work together. So uh I would say thank you for our very lengthy presentation and hopefully we uh we're welcoming any
questions or comments you might have. >> Thank you very much. Um especially appreciate your renderings. >> Um, it's something that people in town can look at and anticipate. Um, so
my I I actually first I'm going to open it up to my board members thing to say off the bat. Um, no, I like the the general thing uh there. I have questions that I sort of ticked off as you were walking through
the presentation. Uh, mainly about flow and um, >> yeah, mainly about flow and just the way certain things are going to get positioned uh, there. So, I don't know how you want to run. >> Well, I I think we should go from big to
big to little. So, the main you you did change the you know the master site plan where you put some interior parking. Um I think that's appropriate. Um people are going to want to park there and I
felt even at the last presentation of the common space that it was actually too big. Um I I've experienced projects like this in other parts of the country and um
the hard thing to calibrate is you know the scale of you know and and the occupation by people and you know this and that and the other thing. Um so um my question is
primarily and I think I accept your um comments about form-based code. This is a project that actually creates its own context and uh it's not in the context of a village. Um, and uh, that being
said, it's important that the context be, you know, uh, evocative. And I guess my main concern is the King Street side. And I understand the retailers's um concern with having windows there, but
from the very first part of this project, uh there was a active and vibrant King Street um range. Um and uh there's a big sidewalk
being developed, but who's going to be walking on it, you know? Um, so that's one general comment. Um, and I know you're you're uh, you know, driven by your
uh, you know, your leasing imperatives and we don't want to get in the way of that, but um, I, you know, my next thing when I study drawings, which thank you so much for all these drawings. I mean, you know, it's great. Is
there one story, but the eve line is 22 feet? And does it have to be that high? Um, 22 feet for the typical person here is the eve line of their two foot twotory high house. Uh, and I know that, you
know, we're pushing up the fenistration and this and that and the other thing, but I I guess I'm curious why it's so high. So, I can I the biggest reason. So yes, in retail we can see a range uh and we want to stay above our minimum
thresholds and 22 is is a pretty healthy number. The truth is in order to get all the individual retail expressions to occur underneath that ridge line and to feel like they actually belong in these buildings, you need some breathing room above them. And so for us getting the,
you know, getting a good um signage zone, anticipating the fact that, you know, we have the height requirements and the glazing requirements that we were going to need with the retailers, and then being able to have some of that space above, you know, we did study it touching and, you know, Okay.
>> It doesn't. >> So, can I just make one? cuz I I was I also looked at the building heights when I was looking at it, but then I looked over at what we at the um Northern Bank piece there and their roof lines within 6 in of the drawings that they have. >> Okay.
>> That's why at first I thought they were big and then I was looking at other ones there and those ones are the same. >> Okay. >> Within within six inches. >> That's reassuring. >> If I read the you know I was looking at the peak of the buildings. Uh
>> okay. I'm talking about the eve which you know the peak I'm with you. I'm not that concerned about with a you know peaked root. Uh and so let's talk about King Street though. Um it's a very nice looking back of a
retail thing, but it's still like reads as the back. There's no entries, there's no walks, there's no um uh >> Mr. Chair, if I may. >> Yeah. It it truly doesn't activate
on King Street, which is what it's supposed to do. >> Did any of you go through the four base code training by you two >> training training? Did you receive any?
>> We're we're getting a peer Well, the town employees got the training. We're getting a peer review from them, >> right? Um, so now, >> so, okay. So, the reason why I ask is
because this town went through a great effort to try to put something in place that would activate and bring people to the community from the streets to be able to see your neighbors sitting outside having a cup of coffee. not, oh,
let me drive my car around to a very large parking garage and let me go into the center of it and see if anybody's even there. By activating the street, it brings in the community. And so, I'm going to pass around first to my
colleagues. These are drawings that were presented to us by the Holy Companies on August 11th, 2021. This is King Street activated with people out front with tables and chairs and awnings. That's that faces the south, which means it's
perfect for an afternoon to be able to be out there on a sunny day. So, this is the kind of that we were told in 2021 and that I have been expecting and looking forward to seeing. I hear where you're coming from, Anna,
but where are you going to park? If you if you want to make it walkable and presentable on on the King Street side, you got to be able to put a car there, get somebody out of it. >> There's no parking on that side. The parking garage where it is, but my point is
>> So, you're going to park in the garage, walk around the building to get to the front of it when it is >> when you can come in from the back. >> This can also be walkable. You have lots of folks in Littleton who bike, who like to walk, so they don't need to always
come in with a car. My point is, let's stay on King Street. Okay, let's stay on King Street. >> The whole point Could you please pass those around? >> Okay, this is what we were told we were going to get, which would follow this
code. This is not following. As Jeff said, it's a goodlook backside of the building. That's not what we were expecting. >> So I I'd like to ask, >> have you all really learned form based code?
>> We've been living it and breathing. >> Yes, we studied it extensively. >> Did you study it and learn it from Util? >> Read everything that they wrote. And did we meet with them? No, they actually >> So you haven't met with them? Not even once.
>> They they I don't believe that would need to go through this process peer review which they will present to us. >> Which will happen we it's yet to be determined but at the beginning of next
year. >> Could you please pass those on to Darl? Just like our colleagues who were able to see what it was the companies came here in August of 2021 and told us they were going to create. They're creating a walkable space on the pedestrian walkway
is beautiful. >> The King Street is part of that. >> I get it. But who how are you going to get to it? There's no parking there. You got to pull off the road, jump out, and go to a door. >> Walking. >> They can walk around the building and get into the the the walkway.
>> I just don't understand why we have to be able to get in a lot of King Street. It makes more sense to focus everybody through the two through both sides. >> So, okay. Hannah has spoken Bartley one of your comments. >> Well, my my main comment about this
project as presented was that the those facades along King Street, you have 320 ft with absolutely nothing happening. There's fire doors and there's two doors that go to the water
and there's nothing else. And um I don't understand what the what the stone walls are for because on the one on the what is it 1100 1200 1200 this the floor and the sidewalk are virtually at the same
elevation. I don't know what the wall is for. The sidewalk is about six inches or a foot lower than the floor that's in there, but and and there's this, you know, that's what couple of five feet from the from the sidewalk, but there's
there needs to be something. I I understand what you're doing and it does have a little bit of push pull on the on the walls, but they're they're dead and and there needs to be some I You know, I think you can you can have I mean, what I guess one of the questions is when you
talk about glass on that wall, is it clear glass or is it is it spanful glass? >> You know, depend on who the retailer is, >> right? I mean, ultimately retailers do need back storage. They do
need things like that. So, it could be either. And I think what we're trying to create is and and I hear what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. We believe that the experience in here is worth the change. And perhaps
there's a a way to to find, you know, let's not forget that the corners of these buildings, there's a rhythm of these access points, including in between 14 and 1500 where maybe there's moments at those points where we need to turn a gesture towards the street. So,
there's these periodic pieces as you, you know, on the corners of the buildings as you go down. I'm worried about being able to commit to full glass on both sides and have retailers be >> I don't think it has to be all glass,
but I do think there should be there should be some more activity. I don't know quite I mean you guys are the architects. I'm >> We have the poracity slide that shows some of that. I mean, I think if you were to if you just even brought up the
rendered site plan, uh, I could point to it, but and we don't need to solve the problem together today. I think the the feedback we need to digest >> these meetings, but >> yeah. And but I I just wanted to if you even see the the site plan, you know, that >> there is a lot of movement. There's a
lot of break points. It is 300 ft as you say, but it's not a 300t wall. Um, and so I was just suggesting that if we did something at the corner of each building that brought you in that perhaps there was a happy medium that we could find
>> and that which you just described in that view should be on King Street because the forbase code at 17321N lists very many or excuse me lists a lot of different frontage types which
includes front gardens, dining patios, porches, places for people to go and engage with each other. Even on the inside of that, you don't have very many of those. There are two restaurants that have a
patio, but that's it. There aren't all of these other different types of frontage that can really be inviting to people, and that's what was expected to be on King Street. One of the questions I asked about scale
was, "Do you need a 22 foot e on King Street? Can you do an symmetrical?" Exactly. uh, you know, the cross cables at a, you know, lower E. The point is, not only is
there no activation, but there's a 22 foot high wall. Yeah. >> Which is not human scaled. Um, I I'm not I support your interior.
Um, you know, it's it's could be great. It will be great. Uh, you have housing, you have retail, you know, this and that. Um, but there should be more
than a gesture on King Street. There should be something that reads through from what's going on in the interior walkway if any if if not just to entice people.
um inc. So >> that's a tough >> I can you know exactly I mean you're asking how however you know the the broad strokes are you know in terms of the site plan. Yes. you
know, um we had questions about the and we heard a comment about the um from the landscape architect about the common area, you know, that we're obviously very interested to um
you know, understand how that relates to phase one. You know, you're going to build phase one without doing anything. Is there just going to be a dirt field there or I that's a developer question but >> you ask me to the town >> the town green.
>> Yeah. >> I mean I think it's an important I'm glad you brought it up. I mean that is also something that is going to be bringing people in from you know comment and I don't know Joe if you want to speak to that as well but it it is it is the next piece of this puzzle. We are working on that. Um
we're going to be before the board soon about that. We're just not prepared. >> Okay. >> Speak to it. >> Um, and then we're just getting back to the scale of and we're just mainly talking about the King Street R King Street range of buildings. Uh, I hear
your point. They're going to be broken up. It's but but in a way you could take them and um do a 20% reduction not in the physical
you know s the the area size but the massing size and there's not really showing a lot of scale you know there's some designs that you could you know some beautiful designs you could get them at any scale and they look the
same. Um, and that's not what a village, you know, we we we want a signpost from the King Street side to what's going on interior to the project. So I I have a couple of comments or here
is you you mentioned earlier that you know about King Street but when I look at King Street today the area between the IBM buildings which reflects I got a car
between 1400500 in the TBD sections in the master layout is nothing but parking lot. >> There is no buildings there. There is no frontage. There is no facades >> there. So, >> we're looking to improve that.
>> Yes. >> Uh there uh on it. So, but to say that we're trying to preserve and and reactivate something that has been for at least the 25 years I've been in town, nothing but parking lot frontage, I I don't think
>> that that the parking lot frontage is going away. I think that what we have to think about is the houses on the other side of King Street. That's the context that we're in. >> Well, that but >> there's nothing there's nothing there. There's nothing there. See, that's that's where I think we need to look, you know, as you said, big picture, you
know, how are we improving the whole whole overall piece there uh on it. And you're right, I'm a little concerned about them being just storefronts and no entryways into them. now whether the entryways are on the corners as you said or something so that it's not just a not
just dead frontage uh there but there's other things that could be looked at too if you go to the one that showed your sidewalk perspective of that area there for a second um >> you went too fast >> you talking about the King Street one
>> yeah the King Street one right there right there >> uh on it right if you Look at what you did on the inside there, right? You've got a 4ft zone, an 8ft zone, and a 14t zone there. You more reflected that on the King Street side uh there. Maybe put
the instead of having the sidewalk so close to the street there. Make that a much bigger buffer the space that could have some green space in it. straighten out the sidewalk down the the the storefronts and make sure that you do have activity that could occur into the
into the buildings. I know retailers don't want entrances on both sides of the things there, but you've got other options in terms of the corners halfway down the buildings and other things that could provide some variety in it not being just a wall of windows uh on it.
But I and I agree with you. There's no parking or anything up there. So you're not you're not using that space from uh from any of the other pieces there, but there might be ways of one pushing the walk the the walking experience away from King Street, moving it 8 ft closer to
your buildings. It's you'll still have enough space there. Maybe you might have to adjust a couple of feet here or there on it. And it gives the opportunity for those two blank green things to be one bigger green thing uh on it with the option of tables or other things there
for for other things there. Maybe also double row of trees alternating. You know, there's different options there. If you widen that uh up a little bit and then if you could carry it down to 1,200, maybe scooch it up four or five feet up so you continue the same experience down the whole frontage.
There might be other options to look at that give it, you know, the ability to be act a little bit more active recognizing that probably your primary activity zones are are in the in the in the center on it. And to me, you know, I think that's what
the whole purpose of these discussions are is to look at what makes sense from an overall plan uh here um for it. Um, but anyway, that's just where I wanted to just sort of comment about sort of the the the King seat,
>> King Street facade side. Uh, there >> I think the overall plan is great. We're just looking at one element of it. And I really would look at the height of the eaves
uh especially for the interior passageway because of sun angles. It could be better and more comfortable. I want you to know that we studied >> of course so many and so many pitches. >> Of course you did.
>> I I recognize all the gone into this. >> Yeah. No, Robert and I and our team had so many iterations of these and this is the one >> and this is like um you know getting a getting a crit from ignorant you know uh
people gazing at your masterpiece. Um, however, you can hear our comments and you can reject them and you can do whatever you you could, but I think it's a an a push toward
um I think it would be better for the the whole development if you bring forward onto King Street what you're doing in the rest of the development. And I would also say that you're building a big huge neighborhood of apartments. There are going to be people who are going to be using these to walk
their dogs, to do this, to do that. And I think all of us think of King Street now as just, you know, just driving driving to Kimbles or, you know, whatever. And but in the future, there will be workers and shoppers and
residents that are going to be all over this place. And I think landscape wise and architecture wise, we have to think about that. So I I just want to add >> either or. I mean from that standpoint I totally agree with you that being able to activate the King Street site
actually brings a strength to to the development. And I wanted to ask if all those drawings were done in 2021, why the deviation? I I just don't understand. I mean those were done
prior to any engagement with retailers prior to all of the I mean there's been there's been a lot of work over the years to refine and iterate and you know work from our experience bring our experience into light uh and I I think
we've evolved to a different place that we believe is stronger for the overall project. I hear what you're saying around the character of King Street. We put a lot of emphasis on this pedestrian way which is different than what was there at that time. Um I don't believe
um the master plan at that time had the pedestrian way. >> It did not. >> No. >> And you know like we mentioned you know the spirit of this inherently walkable pedestrian safety. You know we believe that this concept of a place is far more
engaging than a lot of the retail centers that you see out there. So, we brought our lens to it informed by places like Mashp Commons or downtown Salem, like these big walkable places with retail that people love. We wanted to do something special like that here. And and so, yeah, there are some
trade-offs with that. And I think, you know, I fully respect the comments that you're saying tonight and we'll come with a response on, you know, how we can, you know, see integrating some changes related to that. But that's the real change is that this place is what
was not there before. Right. I I think that we have been um we have been notified over the various things about this change from King Street to this interior pedestrian walk and I
think you know yes um but not at the expense of the whole you know the other thing that I was interested in is when you did the elevation of all the buildings along King Street which showed the the great elevation change Um, how
are you dealing with that on the interior of the site? Yeah, that one. Um, you can see that the individual buildings have different floor height, you know, different first floor elevations and then how do you
deal with that in the walkway? Is it just to just stand it up or how are we how are we doing America? >> We we've been working a lot with our Lance with Joe here. >> Yeah. um to work through creativity, you know, creatively how to how to manage that and particularly with uh building
1400 and 1,200 we have gez what is it um two feet of gray change almost between those two and then even within 1,200 itself we have another two feet of gray change. So we've had to we've had to manage how to get pedestrians around
that and make it accessible. And what we did was coordinate uh strategic locations of our landscape features that can make for um not quite ramp level level transitions that are still um you know still an accessible route around
the facility. So >> that could actually be nice. Oh, it's it's it's very I mean, if you look at the renderings, you won't you you won't be able to pick out where these, you know, mild ramps are, but because they're creatively placed >> and I think that if you look at 1200,
that that sort of grade change it, you know, in terms of animating the King Street edge, you know, it might be more difficult at that end, but that's where the the green is. >> Yes, it has animation. as you sort of move to 1400 and 1500 where it sort of starts to kind of equal out I think
it'll be easier to see how we can how we can sort of wrap potentially >> get you know retail that attracts people to walk and walk >> right and you know and the common is pretty close I mean it's it it's it's
>> now the other thing I want to is one thing that has changed is that all parking at the request of the state was taken off King which is the whole sort of nail in the not coffin but you know the the use of King
Street as a retail you know entry point there's no but that still doesn't mean that driving by or walking by it can't be more enticing
and and how are you doing um brings up, you know, this is a detail. I shouldn't bring it up, but you know, like loading and all that kind of stuff. >> Uh so we have some uh parking on those cross streets
>> that you'll see um you know, hatched off as there'll be, you know, loading areas at certain times of day. There's additionally loading on the top side of the plan if you were to see it. It they're marked in our plans so you can see. So, we've identified >> I don't really Yeah, I'm just uh I I I
appreciate it's not on the consumer side. >> Yeah. And in fact, in 1300, which has some of our larger users, we have integrated loading uh bays where you can pull the truck in and close it. So, um >> we tried to really not have any back
doors to these places, but very tough as you can imagine. >> Yeah. And that's why we're, you know, sort of grinding with you a little bit about it. Um so that was a big one, the King Street elevations. Um the other uh
note I have down is um traffic and traffic and pedestrian infrastructure. Um you made a comment that phase one will do all the traffic improvements that were commented on in the FIR.
>> That that's correct. So with with our most recent coordination with mass dot um they've determined that if we meet a certain threshold which this retail development >> we were going to be required to do all the mitigations
>> including down you know at 495. >> Yes sir. Okay. >> So this is my request reading the FIR the northbound westbound you know blah blah blah. Could we get a graphic? you have a little bit of it of
it started, you know, with the with the numbers, but um something that graphically shows all the improvements especially, you know, and especially comes, you know, with the left turn only
lanes and um and I just want to mention that within the last period of time, we've had a pedestrian fatality in the common. This is really important. Absolutely.
So, um, and the degree it's it's interesting that you mentioned that you've sort of expanded, you know, that the the scope was expanded. Um, but that's the reason why
because it's all working together. >> Absolutely. But I think with your previous thing here talking about 410 there, uh I think we also need better clarity of what the walking path between the 410 development and here is because I can't even distinguish where the
sidewalks are. Uh >> well, there's a lot in the F about that, >> right? But I mean, I'm looking at the drawings and it's hard to see what the walking path from the 410 development to retail and shop and um restaurants would be. and
think that needs to be much more clear on their set of >> putting a sidewalk down and yeah switch over we have some graphics I think >> we can bring this next meeting as well but
>> anything that can make us understand without having to go through the dense verb >> yeah the visuals are much better we agree >> so okay this is yeah this This is what you're you're looking for, Jeff. Um, uh,
this is at the I95 ramps on the left hand side. And what you see in in yellow or or tan is the new sidewalk that's going to be constructed on the this east side of grade road, which is top of the
screen. Um, and that's going to connect. >> As I understand it, it was Meepa or whatever requested this because they didn't feel like a crosswalk at the left turn would be um do viable, in other words, for
traffic. >> Correct. Yeah. >> So, they're bringing it down and then Okay. >> Right. Yeah. So, they're pulling it away from the actual driveway because the majority of the foot traffic is heading in that direction regardless. Um, let's go to the next.
>> Yeah. So, if you go to the next slide and then this is focusing more, you know, the you the commons and the intersection of Great Road and King Street. Um, to the left hand side, um, you can see it's Gold Smith and King Street
intersection updates. um with the with crosswalks, tip downs, curve line realignments. Um and if you look at um we're also at the great road King Street um intersection which is centered on
your screen here. Um it's it's um retrofitting that traffic signal um resurfacing uh curb ramps, pedestrian uh improvements and uh um additional additionally below that you have the
intersection um uh improvements that are basically the same pedestrian improvements except for some um looking at the truck turning in those intersections as well. And then if you um imagine moving if you
keep going down King Street to the right, we have some other crossing upgrades that we're coordinating um with the town as part of as part of um this process to to determine proper crossing
crosswalk locations. But I would thank you regarding the crosswalk along across great road down by the 495 ramp. When you do your 410 work, that
should respond to that being the main way. I guess you could walk up to the common. Yeah. Uh but then we we have the issue of what's between that intersection and 550 King. I mean there
is a sidewalk there but um >> right there's a gas station and then >> right but part of that is now your property also. Uh, and I would also say from a pedestrian point of view, there are a lot of people who walk up Great
Road and then would veer off on Steven Street and there is I think a crosswalk there. >> But anyway, I I noticed in the in your or in the FBI or whatever that they said up to three, you know, they would
consider up to three. Um, >> and so >> I would find it handy. you you did the master plan layout drawing there having a I like this one here because
it's nice size for this here but it would be nice to have a blown out one that then has all of those other improvements highlighted on it so that we can I it's I can technically walk through all of these here but this is really difficult way of seeing the overall picture of what's happening because I still don't see exactly how
somebody that lives at 410 senior affordable housing is going to walk over to there. What's the walking path? And it it looks like it's going to be pretty secured. It's uh here right now, but I I'm only doing that because I'm piecing
together three or four drawings to do that. >> We need a front door mitigation plan. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And if I can just walk you through it before we actually pull that together. >> That's what we need. Front door mitigation plan shows us everything on the plan. >> This one here. So, this is the most
recent master plan and What the intention here is for 4 410 is obviously shown on the lefth hand side of the screen and what what we would intend to do with that pedestrian traffic is have them come up to the great road intersection cross here then
you're on that frontage of King Street and you're accessing it and you can access it uh pedestrian pedestrian access points through um the common area here um or or several locations through the retail which we described through those poorest openings of that retail
area. That's the intent. >> So then the the going down toward 495 is meant to connect with the existing sidewalk that's on the other side. >> Correct. Y >> because it's on the the west side on this the left hand side, >> but you were also improving the
sidewalk. Whatever. I mean that >> put some work into that part where the building's right next to the road and >> Yeah. Sidewalk improvements need to be done on both sides of that road, not
just one side because I I would suspect people going from 18 building 1800 up to the point would need, you know, good sidewalk on their side of the street uh there, not just across the street to go
over to the the other side. So this to some degree is detail but it's a big part >> but itffects effects back in terms of what we're talking about overall walkability and ability to navigate >> connect connectivity to the existing common um
>> anyway so >> real quick. >> Yeah >> just to take a look at this particular drawing then. So, the main entrance out of the um development on the west side, which would be to the left of building
1000, there is a building across the street, which is 1800. That's Fort Great Road. So, are you saying that there is not a pedestrian walkway between those two? >> No, ma'am. >> There is not. >> No, ma'am. And me,
>> and I'm really confused because >> um plan C10 Page C10 of the of the site plan specifically says pedestrian connection to be coordinated with the town and abutters and it has an arrow pointing to that particular section. So I just
wanted to make sure. >> Yeah, but if my understand but I just wanted to make sure. So you're saying there's no pedestrian walkway rights there. >> Mass DOT kind of a kibash on that. It
became a it became actually a safety hazard because of the elevation change from the great road intersection looking down great road towards the point coming over that hill. Um if a car were going through that on a green light there's not enough time a car you know if a car
was going pretty quick over that hill instantly come up on crosswalk. >> Well that there's going to be one further down by the highway at the signal. to me is even more frightening because you're coming over that hill. >> There'll be a signalized intersection there.
>> So, it'll be coordinated with the signal for pedestrians to cross. That's why it was pushed down there because there is a signal there. But inexplicably, the speed limit on that section of road is actually 45 miles an hour. What in the world?
>> It doesn't seem >> pardon. I mean, there's no way you can go 45 but because of the stop lightss. But um >> Oh, I think people have proven you can. >> No, that's that's why why I don't get it. >> Well, we need the state is the only one
that can change that. >> I realize that, but >> maybe when you're working with them, you can say, "Hey, why is it 45 there?" You know, you have a 300 yards between stop lights. Um anyway um so
another um topic for this sort of initial um hearing was the future. We talked about 410 uh which uh you'll be working on and then the thinking about the undeveloped
space on each side of this um retail area. >> Yes. Um so I I'll tell you what we're working on. I I just don't want to commit to hard times. I mean, hard deadlines and deliveries, but yeah. So, 410 Q1 next year, building 1600, which
is a plan we have for the where you're seeing TBD right there. We're working through that. We pulled that out of this submission because we're working through what that would be. Might be a junior anchor. It might be changed a little bit. That's something we're we're hoping to submit to the board and again around that same time period early next year.
um re the residential phase one, the 300 plus units. We're also looking to submit early next year on that as well. Um that's in the works with a goal of really a January submission. But um you know, we're still working through that.
So if that slips u I'm just mainly interested in the um what what are we calling the green space? >> Town green. >> Town green for now. Yes. >> Sorry, I don't understand. You can say it a little bit clearly.
>> What's the uh you know, okay, it's not so much the specifics of the development of the town green, but how will it be developed in relation to the construction of the retail? >> Yeah. So, I'll tell you what our intent is right now, which is that it is all built at the same time. What this this
phase of retail and the town green um and >> that's the right answer. We agree, but that's that's the the intent. I mean, I think our understanding is that the construction of that, you know, if if approved later, we'll be able to catch up with the rest of everything. So, that's why we weren't as worried about pulling it out for now because we want to get it right.
>> So, that town grain is in lot 1019, but it's not part of the submission. Um, is there a reason for that given that it's part of that same site? >> Right. As I was saying, we we just want to we want to understand what the town green is. It wasn't it wasn't finished in time I think for for to be able to
show the board with confidence this is will be really >> it seems like a lot of the uh subsurface drainage structures are going to be >> right so those are submitted as part of this with the understanding that we can
it's like a puzzle we can move that around to whatever the surface treatments are above it. So if there's walls or landscape features that we need or or even trees that need to be in certain locations, we can adjust the location of that that train structure as needed.
>> Okay. So I I have well I I have I've gone through my list. >> What what's if there's sort of big picture things for the next meeting that we should focus on? >> I just wanted to ask um so when will we see what the town green will look like?
Yeah. Again, we're looking to try to submit that in early next year. First quarter, >> first. That's the goal. >> Anyone else? >> The the sort of the one thing that I'm looking at is is the overall traffic
flow through the um you know, for cars uh and not pedestrian aspects here. And you know where the pime where do you expect the primary traffic flows you know there and in particular as I look at that parking garage between 300 and
200 it dumps right down between the things there and then there's another garage yeah at 1300 uh here but anyway the primary traffic flow that you're planning for there and how that impacts
the walkability of the um of the um site uh there. And then the other one I wanted to just bring your attention to, you know, I where you know, you have your your primary driveways with parking right off of it. And those are don't look very
wide. U here if you go over to Cross Point and Westford, that's the way they have the parking. And and it's every time somebody backs out of one of those parking spots, it fouls the entire roadway. Yeah. you know, so I think you need to really look at exactly how you're
planning traffic flow through this and where you're actually placing that street side parking and whether you've got any options to to re-evaluate how you're doing that because every time you go over, you know, you know, in Westford's development there, every time
somebody's backing out, everybody's, you know, both directions have to stop. So, it makes it exceptionally difficult to utilize those parking spots safely. um uh there also and then having them dump between your primary green space
walkways just sort of disrupts the pedestrian experience there. So I think looking at that and how you think you're going to flow 384 apartments, 200, you know, you know, customers for restaurants and things
like that needs to be looked at very seriously. >> No, absolutely. Thank you. So, um, our your first question, um, was traffic flow for this for the site in general and, um, the majority of the traffic flow we're expecting or anticipating off
of Great Road, that driveway, that driveway intersection, um, and coming through the site in that central vein of the of the uh, of the, you know, the central main connector road there. And
where you're where you're seeing it gets uncomfortable, I think, is those those smaller access points along King Street, >> the driveways on King Street. >> Right. So, so that intersection, that intersection, we
we've certainly looked at the radiuses of those and um and we're intending these spaces to not necessarily the intersections, but within the site itself to be uncomfortable for vehicles, if you could imagine.
>> But remember, you you can't take a left out of there. So, the only way to take lefts or to go onto there is out those driveways. So >> understood, >> you know. Anyway, I >> understood >> and and I I sort of accept this is what
I was thinking. I accept this uncomfortableness. This is the the the feature of a village. You would not have people zooming through and having ultimate, you know, accommodation. And um anyway, >> and I have a suggest part of you know
I'll give a suggestion too is you could look at making some of those driveways one way instead of birectional that would double the amount of space it give you a turning radius for parking into one of those you know >> wasn't there one that was that meas
wanted to be no left turn >> that was a great road >> no I know it was a great road but I think okay I thought that was >> but if if you know if if you tended to push you know the primary traffic out to T building TBD all the way over to the
right which you know uh so that that one you know so that that's the flow through the whole thing and you those two remaining interior ones you unidirectioned a little bit or something you know you I think you could control the traffic flow a lot more finer than
it is with them being birectional right now >> absolutely no we can definitely take a look at that >> something to look at uh there and And should we should we also just note I mean the the garages right there everything is intended to be in
and out from 1300 on that boulevard right you'll enter an exit on that that back side the intersection you see the third the 300 garage I think that dash line which you were calling you know into question earlier I believe you're going to see that you a different
strategy but you're also you'll see a different thing with 200 when that comes in all these different pieces is we're taking great pains to not create the congestion because because we want the same thing as you. >> Yeah. cuz like I said, I'm I'm leaning towards just shoving it all the way
towards building TBD near next to Westford as the primary King Street entrance and exit. And then the other ones are just supplemental maybe ins uh to facilitate, you know, the Anyway, something new to look at. And the other part, I suspect the traffic engineer is
going to pick it up on review, but that that turn, that sharp turn you have off of your mainway over to building 200 looks kind of hokey in terms of being able to actually turn on that when you get your trucks and other pieces there. I think that's that hokiness is essential to keep people from using that
as a >> I know but >> when I looked at the drawing it looked like the truck radius turning curt went over the curve but um I suspect the traffic review will pick that up in detail >> on on these on the smaller parking say
between 1,200 and 1400 um do you expect cars to drive across the pedestrian park walkway to the other parking or is that are there ballage there to will be ballards. So there uh you can drive there. Yes. So it'll be a you know at
the porch and where here it's tan. Uh it'll be tabletop. So you'll come up. It's a traffic caling measure. It brings you up to be flush with the pedestrian area and you put ballers on either side so the pedestrians are safe. U it's you
know a commonly used tactic that >> I mentioned you need it for fire engine access. >> Yeah. We have to have it for emergency. um >> make it so most cars don't use it. I think, you know, as it is expected to be used right now, we
do intend to use these access points and to drive across them, but we're designing it with that in mind. And I, you know, having done a lot of these uh kinds of moves in retail centers before, the signal of the ballards, the changing of the paving material, the elevation, it slows cars down, but it's and it's a
signal of the pedestrians, too. It's it's that pedestrians rule this space and the car is welcome instead of the other way around. Um, so we've seen it work pretty successfully in in many instances. >> I think just just to add, I mean, something chairman Yates said earlier,
one of the things we're balancing here is also we cannot deny that it's a vehicular culture here. I mean, people are driving from all over to come here. That's part of the excitement. So, we're putting as much pressure on that sort of reality as we can without, you know,
making this project unviable. So, and that's and I and I appreciate you noticing that surface line. I mean that's very critical to attract >> just depend on the very small population of Littleton to shop till we drop >> right >> and I would imagine people are coming um
you know off 495 >> so it and I recognize it's a balance right you need sufficient parking and in other pieces there because if if the you know if I'm going to one of your restaurants and I can't park I'm not going to go >> right
and if it was just in the garage. I think that's not that's not a plus from the retail standpoint. So, adding some of the surface was beneficial. Um, and was and was well received by when we kind of updated our plan to the retail, >> but at the same time, if I can't drive through the site because I can't get in and out because of all the cars are in
the way, >> right, >> I don't go there either. So, >> again, it's the balance. It's >> But I mean, you know, and and I'm going to go back to one comment that you made about the sun between 1,200 and or 14 13 and 1400 there, right? If you make a if you make a death zone in there because
it's so dark because the sun never comes in, you've created an environment, you created that environment. So, you know, you you've got to be making sure that you haven't created a wind zone, a dark zone, uh or other things there that are just going to make
it uncomfortable. So, I hope your models have robustly reflected that. And I think it's cute with the uh the lights you have strung across there, but as I see these 30 mph winds we get, I just see them rattling
and not being inviting. >> I'm actually in this season excited about the parking garage and I scrap my car and, you know, dust snow off and all that stuff. >> Do you want to heat it, too?
>> Well, are we going to have heated walkways? I don't know. Um so in this last round of you know we're talking about the big picture and I think we've covered
um most of these big picture. We had a great presentation from you guys. Um I really want to compliment you on all the work you've done regardless of you know just gonna you're going right. Um it it it it's a we're as excited about this
project as you are. We're as invested in the success of this project as you are. Um and to some degree we rely on you and your judgment, you know, and what's going to make make it successful. But we also have to rely on our community and
the previous promises and this and that and the other. So, um, with that, um, can we close? >> Do you want public? >> Uh, okay. I was >> Some people came.
>> That's true. But normally we do this after >> Well, we told you. >> Okay. Okay. Public comment. Two minutes. >> Yes. Identify yourself and and Yeah. >> Make it easier. Hi, I'm Janine Wood. I
live at 12 Christina Street. I live about three blocks from this lovely thing you're creating. Um, quick request, please put the fronts facing King Street. Um, I'm thinking of West Actton where they've put up True West and the
the ice cream shop and there's a little place fried food and it has made that part of Mass A so much nicer than it was before. I I remember before they built that up. So that you've actually improved that part of of a busy street,
you know, by what you've created there. So you you I know we've talked about like, oh, there's nothing there on King Street. We can make something there. >> Yes. >> Um and I want to ask about I live very close to where this pedestrian accident
happened. Has anyone talked about um changing the traffic flow, making larger streets, making one-way streets around there? If we're I have high hopes this is going to bring even more pedestrian
traffic. Like I have dreams of walking down to your place and going to a coffee shop and having my coffee and quissant and talking to a bunch of people and then going around the corner and picking up something like I want to do all sorts of walking around here and that
intersection is terrifying. Um has anyone like brought in a super bigrained expert to really work on that intersection before we add even more cars and more pedestrians? Now, which which intersection?
>> Goldsmith, Stevens, and King. >> Yeah, that's a tough one. >> It's terrifying. >> And I just I have so many people and the GPS tells you to like turn left there. And if you just go down to Jennifer and turn left, you're s much safer and you can get all the places you want to go.
They're like way and then there's >> it's not even obvious what to do in a car. >> Right. Right. And and and the number of times that you're either walking or driving around there and you see people just kind of like wandering through that part of the the street. It No, it's terrifying right now.
>> So, we're going to add cars and pedestrians >> controls that intersection. >> Yeah. So, can we bring that? I don't know. You know, like that's my thought here. That my plea is like it it it didn't surprise anyone what happened. >> The state's plan was the striping that's
there now. So, >> so my suggestion would be that the town is asking for a seat at the table with the design engineer and with mass dot just to come up with the best solution. >> I forgot to mention that. Uh that's a
great suggestion and um it would be um the relevant people in the town offices that um could advocate and implement changes. >> Thank you.
>> Yes, George. Jewish 62 great rule. Mr. Chairman, this uh hearing here has been almost two hours here. We've been listening here. So, I think that uh giving a citizen two minutes based on the amount of time that
y'all put in this here, uh I don't think it's fair, but I'm going to try to do my best to do what I have to say. First of all, this drawing that uh the member here, Anna, put out to you and it showed that these tables and so forth and
everything was supposed to be outside along the street and so forth and so on. that came up as a concern because in 21 this is what it said it was going to be when this came to the people in the town.
So if this has changed then I would like to know why was it changed and why it didn't come back before this committee to tell us why it's being changed. I
know technology changed and I know in time things change. So the change that they put in place was to be different than any other community in this Commonwealth. That's fine. I have nothing against that. But the fact is
that if we said that this is what we were expecting to see along King Street, then I'd like to know why is it that it can't be there. Now, that's the first question. Second question I have is that one member up
here said move the sidewalk back closer to the building. That's an option that probably could take place. But at the same token, can I'm asking this question. Can
you have along King Street there, can it be programmed in maybe two places? So many feet from the end and so many feet from the end before you get to the light. Can that be a drop off? We have
service in the town of transportation that is going to pick up people and they're going to stay mostly on the main artery. So, can we have a typical quarter moon that the bus could go in, drop the
people there and move on out? Is that possible that that could take place with this There's one in Westford at the center. >> There's there's but it's interior. Yeah. Um there is a provision in the FIR for I
believe two spots for pickup and drop off. I mean there there is a section that details with what they call traffic mitigation where there'll be a bus to the train station and then there will be the existing
um transportation system that we have now. I that's a very good question George. I'm glad you brought it up because we haven't touched on it tonight and I don't know if it's if any of these accommodations are part of phase one and
if they're not then we do probably have to accommodate them somehow in phase one. Um, and can I ask that we since uh we've been at this two hours that we can uh come back with, you know, a more
detailed explanation of how this is going to be and in in your capacity as on the disabilities um >> commission commission, as I understand it, there will be
uh meetings between your commission and the developer uh you know the proponent of the project. Uh has has there been any provision for that yet or we have a way of having that work? Oh, the the
commission hasn't got to that, but that was something that uh we was going to speak to the building commission and that was going to be discussed as to how he's going to bring the commission
on board early with these projects that are taking place in the town because that's been one of my key pets that uh we've been on the tail end or we just been bypassed all together and trying to get in and find out what's going on. So,
the building commission said that uh I know >> he's here. >> Yeah, I know he's here. And he said that he was going to bring the u the disability commission on board early there. So, that's that's that's a good thing with regards to that. because well
just one uh on that in the FIR that's been approved by the state there's a great amount of detail about pedestrian accessibility throughout the common area. So u but obviously it would be
good to have the view of your commission on um the interior of the project. Uh my uh main concern I want to get an answer to this uh 21
photo here as to what was going to be on King Street. >> I'd like to know. >> I think it all changed, George, when I think it all changed when the state came in and said there's no parking on King Street. So now there's no retail frontage on King Street. So
>> Well, we're not talking I'm not talking about parking on the street. How are you going to have any retail access if you don't have any parking or any entrance way to come into it? Why would you have why would you have it on there when you park it behind it? You got to walk around the building to go inside. It makes no sense to come in the front of the building if you're parking behind
it. >> So, you have all that walkway that beautiful walkway in front of it. >> So, so, so the walkway that's supposed to be going up and down King Street there, uh, that's the back of the building. >> Yes, >> technically it's the back of the building. Lo and behold, I never knew
that that's how they were going to design the back of the building. >> So, the intention of form based code, if I may, this is the actual document that was given to the town voters. This was a rendering of Great Road. There's no
parking on Great Road, but rather the parking was in the back of all the buildings. >> So, the parking is in the back >> and the buildings are only 20 ft wide. Anna, this is entirely different. This is >> and so it could be designed differently. >> Look at how we did with the bank that's there. That's that's not that's not
>> all I'm saying is that this was the intent. This is what the town was given. This is what was voted upon. So this is where the thinking came from. And Mr. Sanders. Starting in the summer, Morgan came into our planning board meeting and told us that they had been to different
um retail shows and that they had presented a a flyover video to them that the retailers thought was fabulous. And at that time, I know that I did voice my concern saying that this what they were showing to us back in June, July wasn't
what we were expecting. and they still proceeded to come do this even though concerns were raised. So, I hope that answers your question. >> Well, Mr. Chairman, uh to me, um I'm just old back country person here. use a
little hindsight with a little foresight here because it really doesn't make sense to me that the back of King Street is wide as the the the development is going to be back there that that is the
back of the building. So, I can understand why why put this stuff out there on the street in the back of the building. It it really just doesn't make sense. I mean, I I I
>> we we um Okay, I'm trying to um the developer who is spending billions of dollars thinks it does make sense. Not I I'm not
I'm not saying I'm not saying that um King Street is right right now. But I am saying that the strategy they came up with makes a lot of sense. I think people will enjoy it. They'll enjoy a pedestrian experience with two
sides instead of one side and traffic. And um however, they did abandon to some degree for obvious, you know, uh, practical reasons, the King Street elevation. We
still have separate buildings, but it is the back and we've asked them at this meeting to make improvements to that so that we can
get to the vision. I I believe to get to this, this is four almost 5 years old and these drawings. Um I I this shows like a town hall. Um you
know, there's a lot of things about this that aren't the same. >> And as it's evolved and uh and maybe if it had been gone, you maybe the sewer had been constructed. Let's remember none of this can happen until the sewer is constructed, which happened last
week, you know. So, uh things have changed and they have done their due diligence. They've um they've lived up to their um uh square footages and parking and all those kind of requirements.
While we have this form-based code that was promoted to um encourage development in the common in a way that wasn't just tearing buildings down and creating the walls
and it's been incredibly effective with the Northern Bank project. Um, however, this is not the same thing. It's a 40 acre site that will have its own context and its own sense of
community, but it does have to beckon us from the common to get there with we, you know, um, Janine was talking about I'm looking forward to walking, you know, I live just around the corner also and both my wife and I, my wife's
thrilled about the first phase being retail. I mean she's can't wait to shop them and uh so um I think formbased code has made a huge contribution to how we've understood
this project but it is not in every detail applicable to this project. >> Mr. Chairman, I don't have any issue with the I support the project 100%. Okay. I'm just
saying learning the information here from back when and what was being taught because Anna was talking with Northern Bank was the same concept sort of this stuff was going to be along the sidewalk by the
building. People could come out and sit down, have a coffee or whatever, yak yak yak or whatever. But learning now that this has changed tremendously and the feeling is the back
that is showing along King Street was the first that I come to understand now because I had this concept about sitting out in front out there going in the store and so forth and so on. So I don't have a problem with the with the
with the project. I think it's great. I'm going to support the project and um I just thank you for what this board has been doing and also what the developer has been doing. I know there's been a
lot of stuff that's been going on because when they came up with the environmental impact, I wrote uh to the secretary about the environmental impact as well because I pointed out stuff there with regard that uh I wanted to
see all of uh the facilities to be on the sewer system and I I I talked with uh uh Nate and uh I was a part of the sewer commission that when they uh start up the source system there and um they're going to
open it on the 6th of January here. So I have spoken to him because I've been working with Jim Aerio and Mr. Augusta, who is the housing guide, the secretary there with the 600 units that the the the
town that the developer allows the town with the 750 MBTA uh apartments back off over at 550, the 600 units and the other 150 down at the at the train
station there. So, I brought up to Mr. Augustus that that was not included when we initially put in the amount that he was supposed to be getting over there, which I believe is 187,000 gallons. And
Nick right now is working with uh uh DPE out of Boston and they're trying to get the extra 60,000 gallons up at the school to get developed up there. And he's thinking that because the 410 was
not in the picture at that time either when that plant was decided. So he thinking that he'll be able to supply the amount of sewage that he needs for the 550 and the 410.
>> Uh just for the for your information and for the record, page 17 of the state's final um response on the FBI. >> Yeah. >> Um has about the LT bus service stop and the transportation shuttle services on page 17 of that report.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mark uh Mark Ranacher Harwell app um I want to reiterate I agree with what Mr. Baker said that the parking between 1,200 and400 and 1500 in TBD that's just you
need to get rid of the parking there. That's just going to be a nightmare. You're never going to be able to get in and out of the facility if people are trying to park there. Um, I had some You didn't have any renderings of 1300
from the side of the parking garage. So, you have no idea what it looks like from if you're standing at one of the existing buildings. What? >> They do have architectural drawings. >> It wasn't in there. It wasn't in the presentation. >> No, but they do they have submitted them. >> Um, also this
>> it looks like a parking garage. >> This Okay. Something like that. But, you know, they're showing everything nice, but they didn't show that. This picture also eliminates the parking garage that I think used to be called P2 that was over by 600, and it has all the surface
parking around the residential units rather than a parking garage. Is that parking garage no longer part of the long-term plan? >> I know it's not parking over here at the phase two of residential. >> Uh it was around 600. There was a parking garage over on building 600. >> There was a plan to have a podium style.
Uh but it it's, you know, we're still working through that design. Yeah, >> because there wasn't there wasn't >> there's no garage over there. Well, there it's an underground. >> It's underground. >> You can see just above the 600 there's a there's a driveway like a garage entrance. So that the plan for that would still be to do like a like
>> and my my other comment is if you're whatever your long-term plan is for where people enter and exit to make that what's being built now, right? If it's between 1500 and TVD is the main in and out that you want people going both ways
and if between 12 and 1400 is a right turn only do it now because when you go to change it later it just screws everyone up. If it's between 1500 and TBD or TBD and TBD, whatever the main one is. Yep. >> Because you're going to end up with a light at you're going to end up with a light. There's no way that you're not
going to people are not going to be able to get in and out of this complex because you've already limited one way in and out with only the right turn going out onto 119. It's just going to be a disaster getting out on the um King Street. So figure out what your traffic
flow is now and implement it now even if it means you're putting your traffic flow further from your existing buildings. One further comment about the parking. Um, I've been in similar
projects in especially in Southern California and they have just marvelous parking garages that have all kinds of numbers and lights and red and green and it just takes the anxiety out of and I think for this market
you're going to need to do that because we're going to have anxiety about using the parking garage. Um even though it might might actually simplify things for us >> in terms of being like full and open. >> Yeah. Like you know go to the second you know that lo you experience at Logan but
I didn't even see more more detailed than that. >> Yeah po Pquare has a great system. And then um but anyway, those are the kinds of things we can you know, we once again we rely on you to make a successful
project, but we can um you know, have our opinions. >> Yes, Ly. >> Thanks, Jeff. Ly Webster, 33 Boltley Road. Uh family's been here for a very long time. You all know that. You probably also know I don't speak at town meetings unless
there's something that really should be said that hasn't been said. I think we can all come a great long way with gratitude and appreciation. So I have gratitude and appreciation that this is coming to town. I would say editorial comment Littleton's probably 60 years
behind in commercial development. So we got a ways to go and we're going to do it all at once trying to come to that success. The gratitude and appreciation I would ask for you to have for us is that this town spent three years developing a master
plan and in that is the village common business district and formbbased code. So while I hear that you read it, I don't see any big house, little house, back house, barn in the 200 ft up from King Street. I see a whole lot of backs
of barns. So, while I get it that we're incorporating a pedestrian walkway in the middle, that may be better because it's two-sided to just have the backs of Barnes as we're driving from Archers Mobile to Kimbles to get our ice cream
if there could be a little bit more thought to breaking down the scale because 22 feet to the Eline is for humans for human scale. So, break that down some would be certainly appreciated by me who lives here and works here. And you can see if you do your figure ground
studies how much huger these buildings are than the biggest buildings we know in town. So while I get it, it might be fun to be on the inside, let's put some heart and soul to what's along King Street thinking about why we spent those
three years hired professionals, wrote a code, what big house, little house, back house means. So thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else? Um, our next meeting will be January 8th.
>> Do we have a time for this hearing? >> Um, so that same evening, um, we would also need the next discussion for accessory dwelling units. >> No, we have to do that. So, um,
>> um, what is the, are we looking at a model by opening? We're just continuing >> the discussion. >> The discussion, but not opening a hearing, >> right? >> Okay. >> So, I would suggest if we leave like 45 minutes for that and then do this at
7:30. >> Okay. >> Is that everyone who attended um, this won't be noticed again. So, uh, we'll I mean in the paper. Uh, but, uh, next hearing we have is January 8th and we'll take this matter up at 7:30.
I'd like to thank the whole team. >> Do you have a motion to continue the hearing? >> Yes. >> Okay. Make a motion to continue the hearing to January 8th at 7:30. >> 7:30 in room 103 of the >> We can't do this again. >> Don't move for room.
>> Second. Um, Anna. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Um, so we'll see you then. Now, I I'd like to thank you all, everyone who came, everyone who participated. Uh, we
appreciate all the work. Um, and uh we'll uh be next year. Mike.