good evening Littleton welcome to the select board meeting for uh Tuesday April 22nd we'll start with the pledge i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all uh so we have uh one virtual attendee Karen Morrison is on the in Zoom um so we'll begin with reading of the mail
department updates uh use of the town common for graduating senior lawn signs establishing a safety zone in the Long Lake neighborhood a veterans agent memorial day parade approval charter commission we'll do public input select board updates uh
vote uh to change our one day liquor license process discussing of performance reviews uh discussing of the Bransfield Tree Company for orchard work uh approval of a contract for with TEC
for infrastructure work of 550 King Street uh 7:45 we'll talk about town meeting updates uh move on to 8 o'clock we'll have approval of minutes and adjourn quickly at 8:05 so start with the mail thank you Mr chairman members of the select board we have current
vacancies on the town boards we have uh current um opportunities that are appointed by the select board the agricultural commission conservation commission cultural council economic development committee historical commission master plan implementation committee permanent municipal building
committee zoning board of appeals and we have one um opening on a committee that's appointed by the school committee and that is the finance committee sign up to receive public notifications for the town of Littleton uh register
www.ittletonmma.org/ org/subscribe community impacts public safety activity town meeting changes transportation issues public health concerns town events stay informed and we have notifications of four separate uh hearings from complaints from
compliance checks from the Alcohol Beverages Control Commission of four establishments in our community we have one uh for the Littleton subshop and then we have another the next one is the Tavern in the
square and the next one is the for Jake for Jack for Jacks X thank you and uh the last Littleton's one-stop liquors and they were all for uh serving uh
serving of miners uh at various times and uh Mr chairman members of the board uh town council has has um said that there is no action required right now with the with the select board it's uh it's it's a you can they will ABC will
conduct a hearing however if you want to bring them in individually or together and just have them explain to explain to the the select board that's up to you you have that right but no action can be taken other than them explaining what happened until after the hearing
correct okay thank you um we are going to uh continue down uh next thing we have ex we've got a we've got something from Xfinity uh writing to update the information cable television
license franchise in our community uh mailed uh Comcast AT attention government relations uh with uh copies going to government relations in Manchester New Hampshire and Philadelphia Pennsylvania they also want to let the customers know about changing
Xfinity TV services please note the following changes in the lineup in in our community uh on May 22nd 2025 adult channels 435 to 459 will be upgraded to HD and moved to channels 1883 to
1894 on May 22nd 2025 HIT hitz channel 1880 and hits 2 channel 1881 will no longer be available however these networks will continue to be available on their other channel locations hits
channels 342 and 1817 and hits two channels 343 and 1818 uh they also have this letter as part of the notification that contains the uh municipal building emergency trouble reporting procedures that we
have updated with within our system and now we've got uh a notification from MDAR uh which is the Department of Agricultural Resources uh the notification that back in January they reviewed the Littleton electric light
and water yearly operational plan uh for 2025 and uh and it satisfies all the requirements put put forth by the department following up um pursuant uh notice of approval to LEWD again um for
the approval is given by the attending members of the row advisory panel Uh copies of the approved VMP should be mailed to the chief elected official board of health conservation commission uh that is pesticide control act of mass
general laws chapter 132B uh or the regulations promated there under 333 CMR inclusive may suggest the responsible parties to agency action referral to this matter of the office of the attorney general in Commonwealth Massachusetts
uh then it goes further into the review of auvailable um uh documents for uh sensitive areas rights of way in Massachusetts with the chemical that would be uh that will be used uh and it uh there's five pages of
of that and we scroll through that and finally this was LWD uh on April 4th that was the herbicide application notification um so we're a little bit backwards this was the cover letter for that uh and to and so it is required to
provide notification of activities regarding LWD's right-of-way herbicide application program and that will start on or about May 1st 2025 and uh go through September 30th of
2025 and uh okay let me uh continue down everybody get a call on that everybody got a phone call I think on that purpose idea then we have uh also received notification um to commend uh Marinel
our town planner uh and the planning staff for the efforts put forth in implementing the flood plane management measures for the town of Littleton a flood insurance study and a flood insurance rate map have have been completed by the community and they will become effective on July 8th 2025
outstanding job Myin that's part of the uh the um that that's the town meeting vote to accept those yes sir so there's a planning board article to accept that new map yes sir and we also have here we have uh Keith
El Morris from uh from Leeds Massachusetts it serves as a f formal notification with pesticides board regulations uh commence uh with a post herbicide application program on or after May 1st 2025 and conclude October 31st
2025 that is notification to that uh here we have a petition of National Grid for gas main locations and that was submitted to Diane Quarry uh however uh our DPW director Steve Yanley has
informed uh u national grid that they would need to go apply through him and that is replacing the existing 4-in regulator vault at the intersection of King Street and Shadic Street with a new 4-in prefabricated district regulator station and abandoning the existing
regulator station 192 does this require opening roads at all or Yes so they need to do that before work is complete correct uh there we have the abutters list notifying
everyone of such uh then we have uh here is the another letter from femur it just uh had uh received a letter state of the community as until July 8th 2025 um and it was uh notified that the
contact information for FEMur regional office had had been updated and they just provided us with a new updated uh contact info with that and uh that would be it thank you okay
uh department board updates uh the using the town common for the yard signs um yes sir uh this is uh requesting uh Liz uh Shocklin is requesting the use of uh Laura Littleton Common for the
display of yard signs with photos of graduating seniors and that will take place from May 14th 2025 through May 30th 2025 and uh um everything has uh has been signed off and uh accepted it's before you any comments board members
past practice i didn't know if we normally had them up for Memorial Day or they were they take them down the day before okay typically don't they cuz this is past Memorial Day oh that was my only question on this was Memorial Day Memorial Day is in the 20s this year
memorial Memorial Day is the 26th then they asked to keep it's just going to impede some of the kids sitting along the common on the curb because the signs are pretty close to the curbing maybe maybe we could just tell Liz to set them back a little bit
okay no problem okay any other comments move that the select board approve the use of the Littleton of the lower Littleton Common for the display of signs with photos of Littleton graduating seniors second moved by
Matthew second by Chuck we have to do a roll call vote gary gary's he Chuck chuck's yes matthew matthews yes karen can she hear us i hope so judy we got to rewind she's
working on it oh we have a Karen can you hear us can you all hear me now yep yes yes okay great uh I'm a I'm a yes okay and Mark's a yes thank you Karen okay um
uh Long Lake safety zone discussion and vote so we had a long discussion about the safety zone at our last meeting um we didn't take a vote on it because uh we we didn't not all members were present um I don't know Rob if you want
to say any few words um we've had the in the since the meeting the uh the speed zone was down the the radar zone was radar trailer was down there um and uh Mr yanley's weighed in on where to place
signs and what signs to go up so I don't know if there's any board discussion to be had on this i mean I don't know why we wouldn't do it i guess I think you guys covered it last minute yeah i mean we um I I drove down there um a little before the last
meeting just you know after I had spoke with Mr rs just to kind of get a feel for what what that speed limit feels like at even at 30 don't tell anybody um 25 just to kind of get a feel especially when there's people walking
dogs and things like that i think um that area to me 20 miles an hour feels very safe for a driver um when there are people about especially as we get into obviously a time when it's going to be
buzzing people but so I'm I'm very comfortable with 20 m hour in that in that zone a little tricky coming down the hill to to get down to 20 really quick but I mean that's a lot of places are like that but it's necessary in that in that area
um I I do want to say that it's a little bit uncharacteristic for the board the you know we we put out the speeds things out there for a reason and I know they were cont kind of contrary to the what we're going to do um but this I think
this situation specifically this to me is more common sense just where it's located with the lake without really sidewalks and the activity along the lake it just it makes perfect sense to me so um I'm glad we got some data um but I I think it makes
makes a lot of sense Yeah i don't think I don't think it sets a precedence for being almost like I'm going to call it spot zoning it's not your spot speeding yeah well you know spot um enforcement enforcement yeah so I think everything just said perfect
area for it so so thank you for your work that you put into this Mr and everybody that's here for that and that contributed to the the signatures and everything else that uh pushed this forward so thank you safety first want to see if Karen has anything yeah
did you have anything to add Karen i think you're muted uh thanks guys um no I'm fully in favor okay my only comment um was the signs were Steve talked about putting up the 20 mph signs and then an endzone sign
and I think rather than an end zone sign it might be better to put up a 25 just that put up a 25 sign rather than the end zone because the end kind of implies that it's a free-for-all if they don't really say what the speed limit is there
so changing the end zone to a 25 would be I think a better approach but we're going to allow Steve to make all the decisions on the signage yeah okay all right i'm ready if you're ready for a motion uh move that the select board vote pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 90
section 18B and article 15 passed unanimously during the October 30th 2017 special town meeting to designate as a safety zone posted with a 20 mph speed limit Lakeshore Drive from its intersection with Aspen Road to its intersection with Beach Drive and Beach
Drive from its intersection with Ivy Road to its intersection with Lakeshore Drive and Lake Drive with its intersection with Ivy Road to its intersection with Lakeshore Drive second moved by Matthew second by Chuck roll call gary gary's a yes chuck chuck's eye matthew matthew's a yes
karen aaron by Mark yes so thank you thank you everyone great thank you guys okay uh veterans agent um yes sir uh Mr chairman and this is uh typical every
year this is being done uh the veterans agent has uh requested uh approval uh for the route and he's uh provided the the route for you for the Memorial Day parade which will be held on May 26th
2025 this year and all the appropriate town staff have been um involved can I ask a comment um with John retiring this will be his last Memorial Day correct yeah um put a pin on that for a minute but um
it might be worth one of us or somebody being delegated to Shadow John or just kind of understand what needs to be done in order to make Memorial Day happen i just Bob's got a lot of people copied LCTV Police Fire DBW um the high school
band director but it might be a good idea from a um organizational standpoint a logistics standpoint for somebody i'm pointing at Gary because I think he's the guy but for the you mean you're talking transition just for transitioning to to next year and then because you know we
don't have any air apparent to John right now that that job is open i did see it on the website it is and we we have received um a a few applications also and it does say one of which is extremely attractive yeah good does say um until filled so we don't have to
leave it open if we have a qualified candidates we can we can act i just want I mean there's institutional knowledge there i don't think John would say no i'm not going to tell you yeah that's a good that's a good call okay yeah all right um I'll nominate Gary i'll put that wait we're not
I'll talk to John about it thank you you just deny a nomination if nominated I will not run if elected I will not serve um I I did want to mention that I know our packet is hasn't been updated yet we do have a our um is it the marshall
grand marshal it's going to be commander um Grim from um he was uh Navy Coast Guard commander so Wow yep so David David Grim will be our our marshall for the parade just let
everybody know that was I know was fake on my move that the select board vote to approve the veterans agent request for the approval of the Memorial Day parade route and agenda on Monday May 26th 2025 second move by Matthew second by Chuck
roll call vote Gary gary's yes chuck chuck matthew matthew's yes karen Karen's yes mark's a yes so thank you very much uh Moving on department updates charter
committee yes sir sorry yeah you know this is I I'll keep this a short discussion you know I did I know I did mail out um this though they're not um actively in this portion of of discussion yet the boards that we want
the committee to look at um and kind of determine make recommendations towards those boards and committees futures and things like that we have so many that I I think as a board we can pretty much control and navigate through some of
these minor boards when to activate them or you know um disperse them but the ones that we want them to focus on you know Rob um provided a list and the in the chair and everybody have seen it
that of who we want them to kind of look at and he have a good spreadsheet here of those um committees the assessors health cemetery housing library trustees park and wreck planning board trust fund water commission light commission school
committee select board um those are all our um elected committees now three of those the light commission the school committee and the select board are the only three by law that
have to be elected so the discussion I guess would be do we want to to really um in agriculture as well but um do we want the committee to really focus on the rest of those looking you know researching other towns and communities
what works what makes sense with our changing community really dives deeper into those that group that I had just mentioned to see if they should be continued to be um you know elected or appointed and by
whom um because if we really get down into all of these it's quite an extensive list and I think it it might take up time that really might not be necessary i mean are we are we going to have a you know I don't know you pick a shade tree committee elected no so I I I
think we could really lock it into these this group of of people so are you are you asking do we want the charter committee to only consider elected elected boards when they're examining whether a board should be elected or not yeah unless you know I think
individually there could be a board or committee out there that may be the other way right where something that currently is appointed that could be elected um I'm not aware of one of these that is in that situation maybe a council on aging in some communities are
they elected are they always no so um I I as I looked at this I couldn't find one that would have been ever an elected board anywhere so um I think if we stick have them stick to about this dozen this group of dozen um boards and committee you saw it yeah I have boards and
committees I think it might make sense and and use their time a little more wisely focused if that's and I don't think um Mr r correct me if I'm wrong if I may um it's you're not there yet you're not even discussing that yet so we have time to kind of look this over
or add to or take away from i I know um the light commission um and school committee and select board we we take them off pretty much because they're they have to be elected so that leaves us with 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 nine nine
committees and boards that really could be looked at um and whether we want them to continue to be the way they are or or not um I do think that's I think that's the right priority is look at those nine first yeah but please look at that sheet that
I shared because it does kind of get into all the boards and committees how many members they have and do we want them to get into that discussion of membership and and things like that on some of these um because times times have changed so I think if we focus it down to this smaller group they can even
get into that type of discussion on um how many personnel and do look at other communities and things that work have been successful and we could identify that um outside of that so sorry i I agree with all of that i would say that
the only ones that are appointed that I would can be looking at are possibly the zoning board of appeals and possibly the finance committee um if they fall into cuz I don't like I think you personally in my I think you probably either want
the zoning board of appeals or the planning board to be elected so right now we have one or the other but if you're making the planning board not elected then then I would look at those more together right um and I don't know about the finance committee i'm just throwing it out there as something uh
typically finance committee is always appointed um by different sources of crazy the research actually and the ZBA and the planning board are typically also appointed yeah so but the good well that's probably a good ad zoning board of appeals and finance committee just
the the and I also I mean the library trustees the one guy told us that they were had to be elected when he was in I've only um my experience has been uh uh they have been only elected yes so I would question whether your shoots
accurate or not on the trustees and some of the housing authority probably also needs to have elected um they're appointed because you've got a you got you have a governor's appointment you've got uh then you have local representatives can they all be
appointed or I thought I I I I thought that that was the Okay that could be I I could be I could be wrong but I thought that there were different appointments from different areas in the Commonwealth like I said the governor uh Okay but I mean if the library trustes one if that's true the law does
say then they can just yeah pass over it but I think it's one to look at just for research purposes um housing authority we can look at that it is yeah point yeah okay housing yeah but
it's appointed in in some places that's why it's elected in a lot of communities so it's just one like I said these are all very active important boards to the community not that they all every board is important not saying that that's the right thing i'm just saying these are the authorities um that really govern a
lot of our town business um and I think they it's it's time this is why we're doing it it's time to think so the only question I have on the other appointed boards is whether they should be some of these are like appointed by their existence is in the bylaws and others
are at the will of the select board and I don't know if there's a reason they should be bylaw boards versus not like the personal advisory is a bylaw board as is clean lakes but I don't know what I think conservation is as well fair
point i that would be the what I would clear up on those committees whether they should be um at the will of the select board to have that committee and disband it or if it's a town meeting that create that create continue
that that committee I know that there was a discussion at the the meeting that I was I was requested to to attend uh this this came up and because there are so many boards and committees here and to take up the time for the charter
review committee um they potentially uh looked at let's just highlight the the bigger ones at year one and then take it then then maybe take a another opportunity down the road to look at look at some others
um because you there's going to be multiple town meeting votes and uh for this process is typically the case so really prioritizing is was kind of a conversation so if so the so the question is if they're at the will of
the select board right then they shouldn't even rise to a level of anything for the charter committee because we can right disband them any time but if they're by law then we then what happens when there's the charter yeah well I mean you're talking like finance committee for instance we don't
we we already know by statute that they have to exist right so it's I guess you all you would get into is the appointing piece to that would you do we remain the way we are with how we appoint the finance committee or is there a way a different form that makes sense on on
those state we could slide those over for a separate group of that type of discussion because there are some boards over there um finance the one that sticks out but um is PNBC also jointly appointed
there PMBC has at least one from the school committee yeah so I think that's another one there's anything PMBC has one from the school committee and then if they're doing a project then they have um ad hoc ad hoc but but I feel like the first priority would be looking
at the elected boards the second tier is definitely finance committee but I I don't know if there's any others in that second tier that rise to the level of scrutiny that we would that I would want to see put on the finance committee maybe PMBC but but finance committee is
definitely like the one appointed board that I think would be worth looking at and then I mean not to again not to disparage any boards but the most of the rest of them seem to fall like in lower in priority to me as far as the necess necessity for the charter committee to spend time on okay so that that's my
opinion all right so this group I think makes sense that and we have time and I you know I'll pro I'll probably sit um with the board and just kind of or or offsite discuss some of this on how we these other ones or twos that might make sense to look at for the other the
appoint the appointing authority piece right outside of that okay a big thing if I may make a suggestion uh through the chair uh the when you're talking about the finance committee to maintain their basically the the position of of
of authority if you want to say because there are some communities have the finance committee as advisory only and here I think because of the success of done so great financially that we just we just maintain that that you know that
form of uh of their responsibility to um instead of being to present the basically presenting the budget to the right just don't have it don't have their role change whatsoever yeah yeah a name I think that's a name only because I think the bylaw does say that it's an advisory to the select board okay but
there's there we've gone down this road before with I you know there's there's also a lot of mass Massachusetts statute that talks about the finance committee presenting the budget and um select board can disagree
with finance budget and present our own budget and that happened I you know I know a few members were here Tim probably 20 or so years ago where that happened the select and the finance committee couldn't come to agreement on budgets and we presented two budgets at Tom meeting So um I think I I do like
the balance of power that way i think we've come to a much better place where the two boards are together but um I like I said with the with income I think it's more of uh how the appointing authorities to
make sure that we're not some of there's not other you know see individual right now we have um two from school two from select board one from moderator one from uh the assessor's office and who else
I'm missing but um water light and water I think it's or water but I I think it's important um to just reook that maybe maybe there's another board that we think now has gotten large enough where they should have a stake on the finance committee that becomes a little bit more focused it's a park and wreck you know do we put a can we take one
away from select board move it over there do we take one away i don't know but I think that's a discussion that we can have but I maybe I'll come back with that those pieces but this is the one I think that's most important out of the gate is the elected versus appointed and
then we can talk about all right well these are going to be the appointed how by whom and what makes sense for Littleton um with our growth and and what's changed so there's other boards that are in this state that get appointed by multiple authorities like affordable housing trust I think like
you have an appointment and the subboard has some and so we should probably look at how the appointments work on these multi and I know there's boards that Tim has appointments on do we want to take away his authority or give them more and
yeah I think it's you know yeah there are there are fincoms we've talked about where the moderator appoints every member so there's a lot of we see a lot of the towns have different varying um ways that they do business but with the with these specifically I I think if we really look at um the appointment
authorities and why I I think first though the charter committee needs to get to a point of making recommendations on appointed versus elected and then we can get into they can get into the discussion on okay if it's appointed by whom and what makes sense to the the
committee that second tier for a recommendation yeah um I would like to also add I we we never really talked I don't know if we put it in the letter on how often maybe we have the chair and vice chair present to us or members other members of the that committee come in front of us
is it do we want to do it quarterly i mean what makes sense how often do you want to see an update and just where are you at in the process you know what do you need from us i mean I I stepped back i mean last meeting I this the head cold piece but I it also made sense to me you
know what i think when I was there I was interfering a little bit um where I wanted to have the callin center take a little bit more that back and forth i think I might have been interrupting that a little bit by being in the room and talking so I want to make sure that I give the committee time to breathe and
make decisions and then I can kind of maybe I come in quarterly every third meeting or something for question answers and what they need i you know I just want to make sure that they're free to you know keep this dialogue yeah instead I just it made me feel a little uncomfortable so I wanted to make sure
that we quarterly would see sounds like a fine cadence to me yeah for reporting to us just and we can we can change it if we decide there's more information we need or or there's not much update then we can yeah it can be a 10 minute update yeah okay um but other than that they're
going bugging along good they're digging into some language that they want to use and things so I think it's going to be a cool their feet are under them now so they're starting to move so it's good good to see good group of good group of people running it too so did you have
anything to add Karen or Um I think the only thing I would add is that if it sounds it's a little hard to follow um from a distance but it sounds like initially we're going to uh we're going
to um suggest that they stick with the um the first page of um of commissions and committees but Mark I thought you made a good point that you know if they're doing if they're making changes to the planning board then they might
want to balance those out with changes to the zoning board of appeals um I think maybe we should just let them know that if they feel a need to pull or make changes in one of those other lists um to balance out what they're doing initially you know in this first round
that they're looking at that they should go ahead and do that okay does that make sense yeah i had to wrote it down so yeah I agree with that so thank you
mhm yeah that's really all I had rob you know I want to give you let Rob speak if you think there's anything I might have missed the question part that we wanted to some answers here if you Yeah if you got Sure thank you thank you Mr chair
rob Brown's 25 Juniper Road and one of the nine people on the charter review me uh I think what you covered is correct i just wanted to add because you you asked where I I'm continually reading and reviewing the charge that that you gave to the committee and really following
that so we'll follow your lead i'm not trying to be a rogue insisting on anything but rather clarifying when I hear different things in the charter discussion to make sure that we're following what you want to do in that regard now me is just one of the the
nine i also have been making reference during the meetings with regard to the government structure review that was released in July of 2024 and I've made a comparison of those comments and recommendations because they actually do
recommend some things and look for the alignment with regard to your charge i would just give you give you that thought of I'm using that as somewhat when I see alignment as being an indicator that this is directionally
where you want us to go because that's a longer document than the one and a half page charge i just want to throw that for you to take a look at that in the future but I wasn't asking for that you've covered what I was asking you know of you but I'll just throw that out
in response to you you asking okay and I know I know this board back last June July when we met for our goals session everything we initially talking about this we thought that that um that discovery um and the recommendations
from that report would kind of run hand inand more more so to help justify that we needed a charter committee to get together and kind of make these changes but also so I I don't want it to completely dominate the committee's time with oh well this is what the recommendations were let's really attach
and focus on that and run with it because those are just recommendations too but some of it definitely aligns uh really well with what we we've charged that committee to do so maybe we um it's definitely it's like another data point it is and I think it's important for
that board that committee to to use it um but I I just want to make sure that they're going in independently clearheaded and just kind of using that as a resource that's good yeah I would say um if I give the chair
um if the charter committee sees something that's in the report that you know they're not sure if we want them to look at that's certainly a you know the quarterly reviews are certainly a good point of clarification but they can
always come to us and ask right yep I I'll mention the quarterly uh just update it could be a five minute it could be a two second or it could be you know briefing i would hate for them to to rule out you know uh contemplating
something that they think is very valuable that's in the report just because it wasn't in our initial charge yeah good point when DS did the structural review that was focused more on financial policy and
that kind of thing I believe um it was you're right it was yeah but there was there was definitely parts of that that that are in our you know in our charge so we want to make sure that they they're definitely there's definitely
some alignment that that can and should happen i just Yeah you're right it's just it's a it's a a tool to be used in alignment with certainly um just to Gary Rob and any Tim obviously you guys know the MMA and the resources available through MMA but MMA's got resources look
how many cities and towns have elected planning boards 246 how many are are appointed by the select board how many appointed by the town manager how many appointed by a mayor so it's you know those numbers are available to us just a matter of knowing where to look for them
yep i think Collins can help with that too yeah absolutely yeah all right good anything further no i think it's it's going along well okay thank you thank you uh now we're doing public
input anyone okay members update so you want to start Chuck oh man um I'm going to get my head around it um I'm not paying for last meeting i'm trying to think what we missed we we mentioned um the robotics team I believe
right um yeah if I if something pops in my head I'll I'll swing back i didn't have Sorry yes um mostly uh Orchard so Mark and I attended the last MAPC orchard meeting
um and it was good was less I would say less focused on than the first one and a little bit more aspirational me as far as um goals that the town had for the way that we would manage the criteria we'd use to measure success around the orchard there was a very strong uh
public sentiment that the uh Nishoba praying Indians should be included in every aspect of the the planning process and um it was it was very clear that that was it came it came in at the top of almost every list which was you know
interesting and heartening in some ways um and I think I also met with John Bransfield on Saturday just briefly just an informal conversation at the orchard um we do have a discussion later about the a pump for the well but he is um
just starting to clear trees they tried to start earlier but the ground was too muddy and they were g they were gouging it up so he stopped he's basically cleared some of the um the field he's cleared and chipped some of the field near the upper barn and he's just
started cutting trees down on the field below the house he also said that he um it was going to be a slow start this year he's very busy with his regular tree business but he has some enormous 4,000 trees in pots or something like that that he's ready to move so um and
then the last thing that he said was that he is interested in posting regular updates he's going to start a website with with a regular news about what's going on at the orchard and I know that that was something that came up at the orchard meeting um and in addition he said he would post on Facebook i believe
there's an orchard page y um that he was going to post his updates or links to them on that page and he was going to do a regular update of cadence of like what's going on what he's doing um and like I said at the meeting you know he does a newsletter about his business
which is uh he's clearly deeply involved in trees he's a ner he's a nerd he takes pictures of trees that are interesting and and talks about them and stuff so I I'm sure that he'll be um posting information about not just the the the
work that he's doing on the orchard but his plans the sort of native trees he's running into what he might see about things that are going on so I look forward to that um along those same lines I reached out and introduced him to Nancy today so that he could post something in the town newsletter oh
great perfect perfect and I think he should probably be on a podcast baby steps that's understood gary oh sure um let's see uh I just want to thank everybody that
came out for candidates night and uh just remind everybody that candidates videos are out i know um and thank the Rotary once again for putting it on um and Tim for moderating oh yeah he's in the room i got to thank him too as always i take you for granted sometimes
so thank you um difficult job for sure um let's see uh I I wanted to thank the historical commission for you know I I was I had plans with family to attend the conquered ceremony so I was in in
conquered but um I from everything that I've seen and read just amazing amazing day and event for Littleton um from Liberty Square all the way to Fay Park and just uh wanted to thank them for all the work uh that they put into that so
that was uh and I I believe we had um pretty well attended and I I went I did make it by to see the bouncy houses coming down so I know that they were up at Faith Park um I attended the COA's uh had a lunch
lunchon today that LEWD put on u they're up at the perfect this time they timed it perfectly with vacation week so they at the high school cafeteria um when I I went in it was so well attended it's they were they were wallto-wall that whole cafeteria with tables so um but it will be nice when
all of that can be over here into this building next door but um it was a great event and I wanted to thank them for that because it's one of those things community great community outreach event um the you know something we talked about
several meetings back when we had um Mr uh Ralph Bistorf come in the coach and um the Olympian yeah and for fencing and I I just kind of came back up in my head that the goodness I said I I wanted to potentially get him you know recognized
more with a sign entering Littleton we have an Olympian that lives in in town i think it's worthy of the same thing as you know when we have a high school champion at something we put it up um somehow recognize that so I I guess Jim I' I'd like to charge you with help me
is it school committee is it park and wreck is it who or is it just through us that we come up with a signage uh recognizing this home of you know Ralph okay thisorf um yeah Olympic gold medal champion historically they've been
they've been the signs have been made by Mascore through the prison system um Oh really i Yeah i wasn't even aware of that so Okay more we can discuss more yeah i'll check with uh actually you know I'll probably go to the state to the travel and tourism because they have
a they've got uh yeah standards or they've got samples of famous people or athletes or whatever historians in their community so for signage so I'll I'll I'll do that sure yeah maybe let's do a little ceremony when we do put it up
recognizing him be great um let's see i I did have a little bit of comments on uh the Deb's beds i know um we had um I don't know i must have read it in the Rotary when I I I had I had seen
that um Miss uh Denise had talked about how the they were being moved out of the Rotary yeah the mill building and things like that so um I went down I I sat with uh Chris who owns Dolphin Insulation i was trying to make the connection and I didn't silly me didn't have the
connection of how what was even going on so I went and I sat it sat with Chris the owner of Dolphin Insulation for about an hour and we talked about uh the whole situation and space and he's you know he's got some other things going on potentially that he needs space needs outside of
Littleton anyway so that part I think was going to happen but Deb's beds um was using space that Dolphin insulation was leasing leasing so um lo and behold um I I went and spoke with Jim and Jim
being who he is hopped right on the phone with the business man you know Le's business manager and just wanted to get and and like I expected um the developer the business venture wouldn't know anything about it how would they just a lessie yeah right unless you're
really vested you've been in the community a while you know you know what what De's Beds even is and what they do so and where they're not on the lease they wouldn't further they wouldn't know so um had very fruitful discussions um with him jim's been following up
obviously this happened late last week we had a long weekend for most people so we've been going back and forth with communication but the latest I mean you can give the latest update um well the latest is uh working with their independent with their leasing company
uh they're going to identify uh free space uh within uh within a building for Deb's beds uh so Noli is going to has given that direction to uh to the leasing company to find find them space yeah so great it's just outstanding
it'll it'll be it's an outstanding story so at the end of the day it's it's fantastic Gary thank you for alerting alerting us without a doubt and thank you Jim um that's really all I have so I sure I'm missing a bunch of things and bunch of thank yous but Do
you have anything Karen um no not really thank you Mark i'll throw just one thing out there if I may um no you lost your forfeit my time i yield I yield my time to the chairman
um I know there's a lot of people you know trying to get their brush burnt and whatnot in their backyard just make sure that you do call the fire department or go online to the fire department website and um $10 to get a burn permit and the the chief or the fire prevention officer
has the right to shut us down on any day that's really windy or anything like that so call before you burn just to give them a heads up of where you're burning and um that ends on April 30th is the last day to burn so it's January 15th or April 30th so and there have been a lot of brush fires in the area so
there was a big one up behind Yeah right next to the cemetery in New Town Road backyard so two in Westward lately one in Actton over the weekend so medium the median in Boxboro that Yeah so just be careful please get your permits yes right thank you
um I attended a few weeks ago I attended the MMA was um had something about how to host citizensmies um which I think would be a good thing for us to look into in the future they usually do like a 8 or 12 week uh crash
course on how town how the town functions you know they do things like this is attendance select board meeting how the planning board works what the building department does how what the fire department does and you get to do they some of them do fun things with the fire and police department so you could
you know go riding in a cruiser or go up a ladder truck or you know all that fun stuff so it's something we probably should look at doing at some point in the future to get more community engagement get more people that will you know potentially run for these elected
slots or volunteer for these openings so uh I think it would be a good thing to look at um I held office hours a few weeks ago um I think there's office hours are you this Friday i don't I I'll have to look at the schedule i don't remember um I wanted to remind people
the town meeting is coming up on the 6th there will be a presentation on Shaker Lane beforehand at 6 PM in the cafeteria town meeting at 7 and elections on May 10th um if I believe you can go into Diane Corey's office and early vote
sometime pretty soon but you can check with her on those dates um I did attend the uh Patriots Day event at Liberty Square um it was very well attended i wanted to thank the historical commission for all the work that they
did i did not get to go to the events at FA Park but I've heard that it was very well attended and kudos for the historical commission and historical society for putting on a great event um yeah great thank you to Patriot as well patriot Beverage yes i heard they had a
blowup bouncy a blowup tavern really yeah they did they did blow up tavern how was it were you in there i did not make it surprise surprise so uh do you want to talk about any of the projects
sure that'd be great a couple things i would like to uh I let the the select board know that we uh had been contacted the region had been contacted by Senator Warren's office uh and they as a result of the meeting we had back in December
in Lemonster uh uh the congressional directed spending process was available there is and they uh they range from anywhere from h 100,000 to $3 million and we the region uh is is submitting
for EMS services and um uh so the chief chief McCertie is uh is closing that loop uh with that with that particular situation because that is due the application and the request is due for the end of this week uh another
financial um positive thing that we have is we were alerted by from Congresswoman Tran's office that the uh our request for the million dollars to help with the sewer project
to find a second discharge location it it there was there was strong uh anticipation that uh it wouldn't it would not get funded the Democrats would not the Democrats wouldn't get their uh stuff funded however it is still eligible we have been notified so we're
updating that uh um that that uh submission and that requires just an updated letter from the chairman please just to sign that and I've received uh updated letters from uh Representative RCO Senator Eldridge uh LLWD
uh also Mr la poli uh because it was uh because clearly we are looking for to help that that economic development project and um move and we're uh moving forward with that that is due tomorrow i'll submit all that stuff tonight and
we have um uh tonight as you can see later on we have the authorization to sign the contract for $160,000 and that was for the milliondoll uh earmark that was uh that that the uh
town received uh through um through the governor's office uh with the help of the select board and Mr only to be able to get that and uh with the infrastructure correct it's uh for the infrastructure it's called the housing works infrastructure program grant and
uh so we're we're moving forward there 36 King Street as you know is going to is uh is being delayed a little bit so now we are having discussions with the contractor with extending that contract and um that is uh that is it the sewer
project the work's getting away underway again in the next couple weeks And it is uh it it it is so they want to make sure because the paving plan and the finished stuff is all on on the town's website uh the infrastructure uh as you know has
already started uh regarding at the site and uh continuing uh and we are going to have a meeting that the team here is going to have a meeting with LLWD and uh the developer uh for 550 King Street uh to make sure for the next
round of funding that uh there is uh uh there's no duplication of requests uh which would jeopardize any anything like that and uh figure out how we're able to uh have a balance with that between all three all three entities and the Shadic
Street opening is May 16th is that correct the grand opening oh my goodness oh yeah the center on Shadic yes may 16th at 1:00 and we don't have a groundbreaking date for the ceremony for 550 yet we do not we do not
and that is a discussion every week of Do you have it yet do we have it yet so we're uh we continue to team continues to uh to stay on that okay thank you thank you uh moving on um board time
administrator updates a discussion and vote on a one-day liquor license process this was uh something that the select board had made uh asked me to inquire with town council on uh and you have a uh uh language before you that in the
event that the appropriate uh public safety people uh express that there is no areas of concern that I have uh the town administrator uh has the authority to uh approve it however if there are some complications that any of the
public safety departments do see uh it is then referred to the select board for further discussion and uh and understanding and for the select board to take the vote so this will be very similar to like the gift process where instead of us approving the gifts the
town administrator can approve the liquor licenses and then we'll just be notified of the approval so um is there any discussion well just we're where we're the appointing authority i just I is are those other communities
where the town administrator the town manager is signing off on those i'm assuming the select board is also the appointing the uh the um the liquor board yes i mean there are depends on the on the size of the community like in
Beverly when I lived in Beverly I was on the liquor commission that's that was independent um but the select board as I worked in in some communities they have uh uh the select uh the select board was the uh uh was the appointing authority signed off essentially we're designating
him as our so 13814 allows us to do that too i mean yes it does according to town council yep that's exactly so he can approve licenses but he cannot deny licenses for the one day one day licenses yes as long as get all the other signups yeah
sure you want all that responsibility and suspend is I'm good i have no objection to this this was part of the process to try and streamline our meetings and make Yep and our streamline our our packets so any comments Karen
no thank you it's moved that the select board vote to authorize the town administrator to approve special licenses also known as one day liquor licenses pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 138 Section 14 second move by Matthew second by Chuck all those in favor carry gary yes chuck Chuck's eye
matthew matthews yes baron yes mark say yes thank you uh discussion of the plans for performance evaluations for the town administrator police chief and fire chief so um I asked all of our these are
our three director employees i asked them to fill out their the performance evaluations are in two sections there's basically um the goal section and then the the personnel section i asked everyone to fill out
their personnel section so that we could review it and get feedback back um before the elections so that it's the sitting board that does it um I know that the first year when Jerry and I started we were reviewing people doing
reviews that we had no real business doing the reviews on so uh this was just a way of getting that um so I I some sent the reviews to everyone some sent the reviews to me i will forward them to the rest of the board if everyone could
um respond give your comments or your feedback to me I will collate it and come up with a um a summary feedback and you know average evaluation based on that and then um I don't know how people
want to feel about presenting that i didn't ask people to do the goal section because the goals you can weigh whether they completed their goals whether you're on the board or not so we don't have to give them the complete review yet or we could i don't know what people think about
that and some people didn't like Chief McCertie doesn't have goals because he didn't go through the process last year so we we always we always run into the problem of you know any feedback we give has to be public um when and then it's
official i thought we figured that out that we didn't have to do it publicly if we don't do it in a meeting well the the review the document is a public record so it be in a um a packet if you will um so that pe everyone can see the um the results if you will but that's I don't
think it's any further than that basically as soon as it gets aggregated that it has to be in order for you to share back with us it has to be public so so I'm I guess I'm okay with that process it's you know but we we've struggled with a way of presenting feedback to our reports
without you know showing everybody airing the dirty laundry if there is any not that there is any but in this case so I I'm fine in this today we I will be happy to send you my feedback and let you aggregate it and then just see the result when it gets shown to everybody
else and all this gets held even your input gets held at HR I believe for in a personnel file three to five year I can't remember the okay sorry that's why it's public it's public record the only question I have is in the aggregation I think Donna Brewer had done that for us in the past we've done it both ways
where we had town council do it and last year um I think I did it um because it came in after so if you'd rather have town council do it I don't have a problem which I do are you are you cheaper than $260 an hour yeah let's have Mark do it
so yeah what's your rate okay great okay so I will get those out and if everyone can give me feedback um in the next week or so that was very excellent thank you uh request by Bransfield yes so
um one of the things I talked to John about was the well um he um I know that I don't know if you all read the email from from Eric and Steve um Steve said you know 10 gallons a minute isn't enough to do anything but what John is going to do is he's going
to basically pump into a sistern and then use the sistern to water when he needs it so the well the existing well even if it's only 10 gallons a minute is going to be sufficient for his needs for the immediate future he talked about the fact that in the long term he will need
um a more significant well but that he was going to pursue grants through MDR which are available for the town to apply but he would fill out paperwork in order to help offset the cost which could be significant so in my mind he's
willing to basically work with us to only use only require a pump for the existing well which is in the order of $2 to $3,000 um which is going to get him through this year um I spoke to Ryan
Ferrara about this and Ryan pointed out that in the in the lease there is language that says that the le is responsible for irrigation equipment um my contention is that that would be
that this is more like infrastructure if if the house wasn't getting water you know we would consider deliver of delivery of water to the house or the barn part of part of the um infrastructure that the town would be responsible for because we are responsible for capital improvements
this is a small amount of money which wouldn't normally rise to the level of capital but I would advocate for us to install this pump as part of the infrastructure of this of the of the orchard that we are responsible for as a town and that's why I'm that's what I'm
bringing to you as a board um okay i I mean that that makes sense the I'm just thinking of the bigger picture of the well itself um we are the we're the owners the property needs a well for a tenant to to
live in so I think long term we have I I like the MDR idea and the the grant but I I do think we need a a plan in place to like we talked when we have to replace a joint effort when we have to replace a roof or something major structurally over there i know we have a
plan for that well I mean the house has has town water right yeah so we're talking about a well would be added only for irrigation of the APR land so we can separate the house habitability from the infrastructure for the for the farm which I think is an important
distinction and I do think that if we do need to put a well in for the farm which I think is based on the language of the lease is our responsibility as the owner I think that that is where the grants from MNAR would would really probably be very likely to help us defay a substantial portion of the cost this
buys us time if nothing else well this that definitely buys us like a year at least I'd say until we have to worry about um Well and John is planning ahead i mean I think he will give us if he knows the the grant cycle and he does he'll say "Okay November we're going to
start let's start talking about this grant cycle." I'm surprised they can any water out of that well i was surprised just to hear you say that i was like "Wow." Well Skillings tested it and they got 10 gallons a minute with a with a with a test pump a temporary pump so Yeah I think in good faith especially
with him already committing he's going to update the you know he's being a good tenant you know a good he's taking all the trees out you know that we were pay so I think that at this at this price I'm on board
we have money set aside for this correct i mean we well there's $50,000 that we've allocated for the orchard before that I don't think we've spent all or most of the things that potentially we didn't we didn't earmark it for anything specific but I suppose if we're going to
do a transfer that would be the obvious place to take it so the lease payments and things from the orchard now are not being set aside into a separate fund currently there is no line item in the budget for the orchard board this year there will be lease payments coming in but they're
just going to the general fund so he's already made the first payment yeah we'll we'll just have to we'll have to deal with that after this after town meeting we'll have to figure out how to how to approach that karen do you have any input on this um I'm just curious so we've been
talking about hiring a some sort of management company or consultant um where where is that money going to come from so that money the the also from the orchard line yeah that the
intention was to use the lease payments to to pay for that um I am speaking to MDAR about that and they I haven't closed the loop with DIA yet but that should be it may be that that that MDAR
will do it as part of their normal oversight oh wow um I'm not going to promise that but it's a possibility if not I don't think we're talking about a substantial amount of money this is a service that conservation restrictions get get reviewed every year it's it's
not an uncommon thing to happen that was in a few thousand so we're thinking in terms of annual review correct yeah annual review in the Yeah in the range of a few thousand is what we've heard okay
and do you So do you have any objection to the pump no okay do we need a motion um Jim um no okay so thank you for the Thank you that's all I think I've got for the orchard today okay moving
on um the contract for with TEC for design services uh yes this is uh what I was referencing earlier earlier Mr chairman uh it's the $160,000 contract
um for tecing for the design services uh for the infrastructure grant program for five up at 550 king any comments glad to see the money's there
so all right let me find the move that the select board vote to authorize town administrator James A dugen to execute a contract with TEC Inc for $160,000 for design services to support the $1 million housing works
infrastructure program grant for public infrastructure improvements at 550 King Street second move by Matthew second by Chuck all those in favor gary carries yes chuck chuck's eye matthew matthews yes karen
karen's yes and Mark's a yes great we have Mr uh we have town council that has joined us for the uh for item number five okay uh general update and vote to remove any articles from the
town meeting warrant to discuss town meeting related matters um Tom if you just uh let me just give a a brief introduction uh here we have uh the the the general update here uh we've got approximately I think we have 33
articles uh and uh and we uh wait uh for the uh town moderator to determine what will be under the consent agenda and then uh so that is still be determined but getting back to what you pointed out earlier Mr chairman uh we have uh on May
on May 6th is the town meeting we have the select board finance committee joint meeting at 5:15 that is held which is followed at 6:00 by the Shaker Lane uh information session uh right downstairs in the cafeteria over there and then
until about quarter of 10 minutes to 7 where we will roll right go right into the uh the gymnasium for for town meeting uh we have town council um that that was is with us tonight for uh some
amendments to that uh are open for discussion I believe on uh 12 and 13 articles 12 and 13 regarding the surplus uh of of town hall okay i just real quickly I did notice
that the the discussion is listed says to to remove or add or remove articles we we don't have at this point we don't have the authority to remove an article we have the authority to not move on an article at Tom meeting correct i believe that's correct okay so the it's kind of
like a typo in the uh Yeah tim in the package tim gave me that crash course when I was talking to him it's already printed in the board could reopen the warrant for the purposes of removing an article and then immediately close it back up but uh council may have some thoughts about
that and proper notice to the voters but I'd be less concerned about losing an article than trying to add one to this yeah good point uh should we turn it over to Tom yeah okay Tom can you hear us the floor is yours i can hear you can you hear me yes
the floor is yours okay good evening everybody tom Harrington Town Council nice to see you all of course um so I'm going to uh bring you right to motion or article 12 um and so what we So so I I assume
you have the rewrite of the motion for article 12 in your package uh and so I'm going to go right to it and walk you through it and so the goal here was to present two votes to town meeting
the first vote which is the first motion and essentially what it does is it takes the the the special act that we're proposing and breaks it into two the first component of it is is to seek only
the authority from the legislature to um avoid all the procurement and construction statutes other than the obligation to pay prevailing
wage and so that now reads as section one of the act and section two of the act is just that this act will shall take effect upon its passage so what this does is it seeks authority um only
for the ability to avoid the typical procurement and um uh construction act um statutes as we move towards and it identifies three projects project one is the conveyance
lease design development construction operation and maintenance of affordable rental housing at 37 Shadic Street project two is the lease of 37 Shadic Street by the town to use as town offices and the third is the acquisition
design development and construction of new town offices located within the town of Littleton so the I think the the strategy the working strategy is that we would convey to a developer 37 Shadic Street we would
lease it back from the developer while a new town hall is being constructed um for the town and that we wouldn't move out until that new um until that new town hall is ready so this I think
the idea here is that it it gives the voters the opportunity to just vote on this which gives us the authority to go forward and make our plan are there any questions on that or should I move to motion two
tom I have a question okay so I I I know that with the low-income housing tax credits it's imperative that the developer whether it be in whole or as a partnership be an
experienced nonprofit affordable housing developer that has success in the low-income housing tax credits uh arena with that said if that entity of the partnership has
control of the location it ought for us to lease back the um to stay to stay here and then lease the space that we're in right um and I know that uh what our goal is for for
for a for a nominal fee but if it's a forprofit developer arm of that won't we be required to pay the the real estate taxes pay ourselves or Yeah yes we will okay so if they So I
So it's a good point Jim so if we're if we're selling it you know if we convey the property out um and remember so the the trick here is that we need to give the developer sufficient control over
the property right so that they can go forward and get their tax credits lined up so that those are in place because that that's the way they're going to make the profit on the construction is through the tax credits and and we we know we're going to need to give them a
window of I I think Judy Barrett quoted 3 to four years or 2 to four years to get that done correct so they need sufficient control of the property to do that um and if they have that sufficient
control then yes I think we would likely either they or us would be required to pay real estate taxes on the property but if sorry you're not uh so but if
um if the if the partner the the nonprofit is the controlling partner of the project and is the lead applicant for the low-income housing tax credits they then have control of it so
they're nonprofit so we're not they're exempt from paying real estate taxes so hence we're we don't have to pay that right so if the so so I think I agree with you if the correct entity takes
control here right um taxes might not be assessed thank you so so just to back up though the first motion doesn't transfer control of anything it just gives us the right to petition the legislature
um for the special act it doesn't we're not talking to any developer during this time it gives no transfer of control it just moves the special act forward correct all the Yeah so it moves the special act forward and we can't start talking to the to any developer
uh until the legislature approves the special act which which is a year a yearish process yes sir correct
typically 9 months to a year so I I have another question about the nonprofit having control so I'm I think I'm concerned about getting into a situation where the town doesn't
have a place to move and we don't have control over town hall so obviously whatever arrangement we make we're going to need to have you know language in it that we don't have to move until certain conditions are met is that going to
create a a problem or a conflict with the controlling entity having enough control that the state is going to say "Yeah you have enough control for us to give us give us give you these tax credits." Good question i mean maybe that's a maybe that's a future U problem
and not a current U problem but you follow I I don't think that's a So I don't think that's a problem okay i mean I I think they can still have sufficient control of the property and we can still tell them and if you if if
you jumped down to section four of the of maybe the extended act which would be motion two it says the town of Littleton may lease back from the developer described in section three the building located at 37
Shadic Street for use as town offices until such time as the town of Littleton has relocated its town offices to another location in town okay so the the idea there is that the special act it's kind of baked into the special act that we're not leaving until we have a place
to go okay this I this is one of those things at town meeting you're there's a lot of language in here that's not confusing enough but so section one just says we can apply for the special act it doesn't
bind us to anything yep right even if the special act passes we don't have to do anything section two that's where we're giving control is transferring control is allowing us to transfer control so what happens if one we didn't we don't have
to go down that road yet but I was just curious is there when we're talking the tax side of it where else anywhere else in the state does a town offices at any level lease I'm assuming they lease property from other city of Walden so do they really involve but that's probably
probably not leasing from a nonprofit i don't know if this is unprecedented or not Tom and you mean you I know you um support a lot of communities this is something that you know we're we're sitting here
leasing from a nonprofit it's cir it's circumventing for for certain but it's seems like lal circumventing if you will to Well yeah so I I guess it's yeah this is a pretty specific
situation that we're in it's not unusual for a town to lease town hall right you know oftentimes so I can give you an example in Welssley welssley just redid its town hall they just moved back in I think January 1st but they had to lease office space for about two years while
the rehabilitation took place so the idea of leasing it is not unusual and when you're leasing um you know one of the things you typically do is to pay real estate taxes
right um I'm just I'm having a thought because we hadn't really talked about this particular issue yet i'm wondering if it's because if if we're leasing it for a municipal use then then the tax would go away i I will check into that and report back on that okay
i mean that's a big piece obviously for me i maybe I mean everybody else has different thresholds on this but it's a big piece for me so imagine that doesn't go away because the property's big piece that we is the big piece Gary that we not pay taxes or is
it just that we not have to pay to lease space while the new the new space is being constructed yeah I mean that's a to me that's important but it really doesn't come into play too much until you get to motion two so one I'm just
trying to get through the the legal piece which you know I know that's why you're here too but just that whole piece of the the taxes that was brought up and what is the cost to town which can be a
lengthy time period i mean two three years of so I think motion one has no cost to the town we're we're just asking this legislator legislators to move this forward yep
right it's no cost no binding no Yep there's um no commitment on anything from the town yep and I understand that's more of we're doing an investigatory we've got options we're keeping options open on this property
that property and this is kind of what what any board would do exploratory see what's going to be best for the town affordable wise and and everything else but what what we know correct me when I'm misspeaking Tom is what we know is
if we're going through this process we're going to need motion one at some point and motion one takes roughly a year to get through the legisl legislature so we need if we do this now it gives us a year of getting our ducks
in the row before we have to figure out what we're doing with this building right now motion two gives us more more authority but go ahead Don and I guess said said differently Gary this is a fairly complex
transaction that we're talking about you know right and it's this type of transaction was never contemplated by procurement laws or construction laws in Massachusetts great procurement laws are very much if
you want to sell something you sell it and that's the end of it and if you want to buy something you buy it and that's the end of it and those two are never connected and you know the third piece leasing it is yet another thing that's not connected those are three separate procurements but the only way I think
for the town to you know kind of seek a creative solution here is to combine them all into one and we need the legislaturator's approval before we do that and it's we wouldn't be signing anything
uh under motion one it just gives us the authority to go out and talk to people and we couldn't even go out and talk to people until the legislator the the legislation is approved okay yeah i the president's part is what
scares me just a little bit but um and that's just because you're putting the town in a situation where it could very well come in front of a judge who has to make a determination as opposed to precedence where we have something to reach back on maybe there is precedence that you just has you haven't come
across you know for for comparables but so which is the situation you're talking about but I guess the liability one doesn't have a whole lot of liability with it for the town no so okay um Karen do you want have anything you
want to weigh in on no I just think that we need to stay focused on the separation of these two motions right that's why we're doing this motion one it has gives the town zero obligations
um it just makes sense for us to be able to move forward if we decide we want to move forward to not have to wait a year after that decision right right so I would just hope that we can all stay focused on the differences between
the two motions okay are there any more questions or discussion on motion one at town meeting i'm sure there will be so okay do you want to explain motion two again Tom sure okay so now we've got motion two and motion two has
um has an additional four sections so the first section authorizes the town to convey all or a portion of 37 Shadic Street for the purposes of designing constructing operating managing and maintaining affordable
rental housing section four authorizes the town to lease back from the developer 37 Shadic Street for use as town offices until such time as the town has relocated its town offices to another location in town and section
five authorizes the town to acquire a parcel of land with a building or buildings thereon for use as new town offices section six says that development of the projects described in the assess may be conducted in one or more phases okay so
with with this authority we can actually you know the first motion allows us to start talking to people the second motion allows us to start entering contracts but remember we would still need th this
this doesn't authorize us to spend any money on any of these so we would still be required to come back to town meeting to authorize the funds needed to
do one or any of those things i don't want to be the one that keeps talking here but so um alongside of this I have to assume there'll be a legal binding contract for the developer because when you have
words like the town of Littleton may lease back from the developer described in section 3 that's I I hate the words may in a legal document i like will or shell sh you know so may that doesn't bind us by any
means but none of this binds a developer right no so the so again the first part motion one allows us to begin negotiations the second part motion two allows gives
us the authority we would need to enter into contracts but absolutely these would be we would have I mean it's It's honestly it's three different contracts right it's contract one is what you're going to build how you're going to build it what what's it going to look like at
37 Shadic Street you know uh authority two is the lease back and what services are they going to provide to us while we're leasing back and contract three is you know what you're going to build and where you're going to build it for a new
town hall so you know it's it's the first is the is the authority to negotiate the second is the authority to contract but none of this comes with the authority to spend any money that still would only come from town meeting
at a future town meeting but at that point we could be this property could not we wouldn't be able to move back into this property well because so as I see this Gary
though right so we we're negotiating these contracts we're not going to the contracts are going to have to be subject to approval for the funding by town meetings so either we get everything that we want for free and then we don't need to come back to town
meeting i don't see that happening um well and so whatever money we spend so whatever we it would it would be nice I think to bring back the the exact contracts to town meeting to say "Here's what we negotiated and it's all subject
to your approval because we need the funding from you and and those contracts would be structured in such a way that they interlock and they don't leave us you know with no town hall at any point." Right correct like I mean if we're doing our job right the problem with that this
is this cart is already this has already happened so you're doing this so you can enter into contracts when you say this what do you mean motion motion two let's okay has to happen before we can start contract conversations so
you're this has happened and been motion one has to happen before we start have to start conversations well that correct but motion two does as well does it not no motion two needs to occur in order to sign those contracts
so we can't si we can talk about the contracts once motion you know if the legislature adopts motion one we can't even talk about them without that but we can talk about them if we get motion one we can actually execute them okay if we
get motion two but but and I know I keep saying this but that doesn't authorize us to spend any money we would still need that authority so So just to before to reward it we have to have motion one yep and then we
eventually will need motion two either at this town meeting or a future town meeting where we need motion two or motion two prime where it also includes a funding source right so there's effectively a motion three somewhere in the future that says to allocate the
money if motion two doesn't pass this town meeting though motion two will come at a future town meeting with probably with the funding so I guess that's my question why why aren't we just letting
motion two run down the road i mean that's all i mean you might you've been involved in this since the start you've put a lot of work into it um and I I just worry that the community is going to see this and some of the same things that I see there's a little
bit of if se if motion two why are we putting it in November well because in my in my opinion I don't want to get I don't want the message of what the intent here is it's to get lost in the
fact that hey look we've got a beautiful new library we've got a beautiful new center on Shadic Street we've got Look at Shaker Lane School we want something nice and shiny too i don't care if we
live in a treehouse if we operate out of a treehouse the the the main goal here is to bring forward the senior affordable rental housing because if you because when all discussions the way I understood it it was in a latter phase
here's an opportunity to bring it to the to the forward to the head of the class if you want to say and it's going to be a lengthy process instead of it starting way back here and extending further out so I think by not including Motion two
you lose the essence of our intent here of senior affordable rental housing not just a new town hall okay we don't care about I do not care about and I I get it i I just um I'm I'm having trouble with motion
too that's all I I I appreciate what you just mentioned and I I think it's I I just don't see if that intent is going to translate for us i I think it's uh is there you know are there other ways to address the the deeply affordable
housing issue as opposed okay to this location is there is you know the developer that we choose is there other locations in town is there smarter locations I don't know and that's I mean I get I get it this is an opportunity yep I do I do get that um you know I
wish I had in hand like I had mentioned you know before that we an absolute this is what it would cost to chop this building old pieces off keep a newer piece if you want to call it new and add an L kind of over by Hagar now we've got that whole side right y and all this is open space and
parking what does that look like what's the that's to me how we translate this more towards the town's people so they can say "Wow that's going to cost us $45 million to do that or it's going to cost
us X opposed to this and and quite honestly and that that's the goal of what you have you five have have tasked me with of getting that data and we have really looked at subject matter experts that are in the in in the profession
such as um an appraiser that that looked at this parcel and said the the building's not you know worth that much at all i mean if and to to raise it would be $350,000 if you go down that road um the land the land is the
valuable part and it depends on even still you'd think it was it was more it's less to put 40 units here in in in its place the land value was I think is approximately $800,000 you put uh 60 units it it goes
up another 40,000 or 400,000 and then another 400,000 if there's 80 units here in in a densely part that that makes the land more valuable but not the building um we also going to we're going to we're continue to have the discussions with
the subject matter experts to um really get a back of the envelope number on what it would cost for both rehabbing the existing this existing building as is and then um also what it would approximate cost what it would be
for a new town hall 30,000 square ft two stories And uh that's what we'll be looking at that's what we're trying to explore i mean I know previous boards Chuck I think you were on kind of went down this road a little bit
it's been subject to conversation for 12 15 years yeah so I don't know there's no data out there on those i I But the but also the the focus that was I believe that was started with when uh as Chuck
was on the board i mean it was the the investments that the town made over the course since 2017 and it's we're just we're you know between the library the senior center pox and wreck uh the school administration the veterans
office they're vacating the building uh so but the vision was that that is what's going to happen with this building because it has no it makes a hey listen and I get
there's a that mindset drove a lot of this you know and there's the mindset that's can we do something here still and that I get that's those are the two competing pieces and and I I just worry about um
the control aspect and that's so it let me just go down and I hate taking the time I want everybody else I'd love to hear what everybody else has to say but if we pass one we p we don't pass section two section two is going to come back up later on because
we still now that we've got more information from the legislation that this is something that's definitely can happen uh we get a little more information we still can have another bite at the apple it's just we're behind now it'll be a year from now Yeah
all right go no I was gonna say one of the things that you're you're missing like there is a strong um feeling of saving this building sure you know so it's looking at the value with this existing you've talked to some
of those consultants and and gotten like you said you got to get the back of the envelope kind of what it would cost versus raising this building and then putting in 40 60 80 whatever it happens to be senior affordable right um just
for the you know the big collic field and you know the fitting into Littleton and and creating this campus and um if it were modern apartments even if they were deeply affordable senior housing it's
not going to fit in the same way as this building being renovated pardon a town hall being here or the town hall being you know whatever that happens to be but this building being saved is one of the components regardless of what these new articles say is there's there's a
faction of residents that very much want this building to remain intact whatever capacity that happens to be I don't think that's as much a factor as reusing this building in its historical relevance I guess
yeah i mean I'm just speaking for people that have come to me you know in my own vision people say "We drive through all kinds of towns that they're renovating these old brick buildings littleton doesn't renovate any of their they're building this." And I said "Well how many brick buildings did we really have
we're just we weren't a mill town." So well even Roden Bush in Westford Woodruff so I think that's an answer that we're going to have to have we're going to have to have an answer too to that type of question because without knowing the communities I mean you have a lot of gateway communities
you have a lot of money that that is invested in those gateway communities for for housing because it's got public transportation right there it has a train station right there not saying we don't but they actually have the re there are resources specifically aimed at um communities like that uh smaller
communities i can't and I don't know off the top of my head so I would love to understand a little bit more of those really more intimate communities of 10,000 to the 13 15,000 that's out there that that that the money's going the money's going back in and just from my
in my previous position I remember in Western Mass there was a major issue with a mill building that there was there was zero interest in it there was no state funding and it was uh uh there were there were a number of different issues because it was Well there's plenty of those out there too exactly
exactly so um I'm I if if I'm absolutely I'm not opposed to to saving this building whatsoever and I would absolutely support it and I don't know the funding sources whether they will take a different view on it and look at
it and say it's upside down i'm just preparing for that message or okay it's a it's a it's a good return on the investment i don't know so So Tom if motion two passes we come back to a future town meeting asking for
funding we have contracts in hand and ask for funding to basically execute on motion two if motion two fails we come back to a future town meeting with what well so motion one would allow us to be
to I'm assuming motion one passes i'm saying if motion two fails but motion one passes what do we come back to a future town meeting with some version of motion 2 three and four to allow us to execute contracts
and to you know so with with motion one we can absolutely start talking to people um but we don't have the authority to do anything and so negotiations are only going to go so far when you say "Hey I'd like to sell you
this building." Great let's talk about it but we don't have the authority to do it yet so we just we wouldn't be as far along we we'd be more kind of broad strokes but not really getting into details but the difference in the
details are we still don't have the funding source so unless I I'm trying to figure out what the difference is whether it passes or doesn't pass for motion two so what I would say is if motion one passes and motion two does not pass and
let's just assume the legislature adopts this legislation next February March um that would so we would have a few months to talk to someone maybe before town meeting
um but we wouldn't we we wouldn't get very deep into the contracts if so so then at so assuming it passes before and we have time to talk to people we would come into next town meeting likely looking for the authority
to sell 37 Shadic to lease it back and to acquire a new parcel and construct a town hall how if we get both motion one and two and it happens in advance of town
meeting next year we can come in with a much firmer plan about how it would all work and what the numbers would be on that I think does that make sense so a little So that would mean that
we're basically going to come back then at a let's just say that we were trying to get motion two motion two failed this town meeting we'd be come back in May with a new motion two right but then we're still doing a motion three in a future town meeting asking for the
funding or we're coming back at a future town meeting if motion two fails we're coming back with two and three at a future town meeting together that's where I'm trying to get at yeah and I and I I don't know that I know the answer to that Mark it's It
kind of depends when the legislature acts on it and whether or not we have enough time to really uh you know get our project out there and start talking to people about it and see what's possible
and what's not possible okay yeah and I think that's Tom i think I think I think that's the key because it's it's all dependent upon the legislature and it's up to us and when we want to present it if we feel in you know internally and say look we lesson learned um we need to
be more proactive in vetting it and and understand that we're not going to do it in in in May we probably won't do it until no next November a year from November and it's so that's a to be determined of where where we are and it
al also determine another big thing that we have to also take in consideration the partnership that we're looking to seek out there whoever those partners are what where are they in their relationship where are they in that in that commitment and uh about with with
moving forward we don't we don't know but at least once they pass it then we can start having conversations and saying "Okay developers nonprofit for-profit get together and we'll lease it back to you from a dollar and you have control and and that's it
okay do you have anything i guess one more thing I'd add so if if we just go forward with motion one motions the and don't and don't move forward with motion two the authorities that are identified in motion two we can get we don't need a
special act to do that we can get those authorities from a from town meeting so it may be that we would just seek those authorities from town meeting okay do you have anything Karen No um well
yes i uh I just think we need to be careful when we're talking about these two motions um you know motion one authorizes us to talk once it's
passed and I think because I think that the timing and not losing a ridiculous amount of time trying to put this together is sort of the crux of why we're going to town meeting now
um so I just I just think we need to be really clear and I think when we say when you know motion one authorizes us to talk after it's passed not just authorizes us to talk period because motion one doesn't authorize us to talk motion one
authorizes us to talk subject to the legislature passing it motion one authorizes us to seek authorization to talk from the legislature yeah i And I think there's a big
difference between those two things i I just I just wish motion one was the only thing on on this warrant and then we got some time we get some ducks in order we can now really start to show what the what it's going to look
like if we were to do something here without all of this um what the cost would be all of these things and then we've we can show um what that looks like educate the public to say you know what it's just not feasible as much as
you know some members on the board might want to have town hall here this is the reality and that's some kind of something that I've been after is what's that number look like is it just so ridiculous that you the town won't swallow it um the next 5 years you know
or and your concerns your concerns of of of validated a thou a thousand% it's I think it's an exercise we should go through to understand the message of of tell me we don't lose anything no I know it could be could be bloody though we
lose some time it please uh it's yeah I think it's something that we have to go through the through the exercise and and understand you know what information we will be able to be prepared when we do go back in next May or the following
November or whenever the case is and and and understanding the pulse of what town meeting will be expecting from us because we lose nothing if we if it gets voted down in my opinion I I think motion one am I correct
go ahead go ahead Mark go ahead Karen i was going to say am I correct that you know Gary I I take your point that we need more information to be able to make our case um to go through with this um I
wonder yeah would anybody disagree with this characterization that motion two authorizes us to be so that when we come back because no matter what we have to come back so if motion two passes it authorizes us to come back and be able
to compare the cost of this deal that is negotiated versus renovating or doing you know doing nothing or etc etc or you know when we go back to town are
we only going to be able to talk about how much it costs to renovate but they're not going to have the ability to compare and contrast that with the cost of what we can negotiate i I don't know i I think I I take your
point Gary but I think I think if I were a member a resident I would rather compare A B and C than compare B and C and A is still not A's still TBD yeah no that's a good that's a good
explanation for me i I guess when you see the terms of putting on on if two passes Yeah a yes vote we've just created a let's be honest a one lane road there's Y right y
you've Why because why you've just sold the property you would you trust well you haven't but you you've basically said you've put a you've put an enormous amount of faith in whoever we partner with which let's let's say it's Le Industries and I know they're a huge
partner in town for other things y so we do hold a lot of cards there and as well as they do we want a good relationship but the issue is we don't own the we we we're trying to contract if they say no we can't come to an agreement we cannot come to an
agreement on a on getting a contract out on how all these things that we want that we're putting in into this um what then yeah but I don't I I I think we're getting I think a little bit we're getting lost there there there's not as much negotiation as you think and
hear me out for a second maybe I'm I'm off I'm I'm I'm off i'm just thinking what other people So it's it's it's it's really it's it's straight numbers of what it would cost for for rehab it's a straight number what the value of this property is it's a it's a pretty
straight number based upon what a new location would be and and it costs us nothing for them to go through the process because they have to present to the state and ask for the housing tax credits we're not putting any money into the deal it's not like we're we're negoti you know we are putting we're
making an exchange with the property but those numbers are secure by by by the appraisal and by law we can't pay more than the appraisal so and here okay we have property XYZ and here's a location for
30,000 square ft and it's $500 a square foot and it's it's it's straight but there's no negotiation so it's more of a getting all the data as tight as possible for where we're concerned and
have no surprises as as far as we're concerned they can have the surprises all all they want between themselves and and that partnership with the development for this as they go through the state process we have nothing to do with that [Music]
um I think we're in a and they could turn around and say we can't get the you know they may not be able to get the tax credits for two rounds but they'll get the tax credits but it's a it's like MSBA funding so it's and meanwhile we're here for a
dollar a year and then and the goal and we're waiting to develop senior affordable housing and hopefully it's in this building i would love that i would absolutely love that thank you good evening Stephen uh finance committee
um I just want to voice my concern one more time on section four it says the last sentence has relocated its town offices to another location in town
doesn't mean we that doesn't preclude us from having to move to a temporary location we shouldn't be allowing that i don't know how binding this this article is in contract negotiations but it should refer back to the town hall being
built in up above number three permanent location that's what you're Yeah mhm i know Tom your office kind of shot it down the last time but
it's open-ended i I I don't think that's in the best interest of the town can I respond to that please so concern Steve but I think where we pin that down is in the
contracts with whoever we strike a deal with and not in the special act because the special act is specific and you know there might be a reason that we want to move to a temporary location as opposed to a
permanent location um but we don't have to but if we say you know we're only going to move once our permanent location is complete then then the legislature has told us
that's what we're going to do we can still do that through the contract i I I prefer to I prefer to handle those types of things through a contract where we're going to get into real specifics and not through you know kind of
a 14 sentence special act because I I think it it can come back to bite you when you're not expecting it that's been my experience anyways but I I take the sentiment as I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly i just think it's the the place to address it is not in the
special act it's in the contracts yeah through the chair i um you know I thought I thought about that as well but you know I think Tom brought up a good any town hall that's ever moved renovated rebuilt in that
location all the employees are moving to a temporary location while that's being done so either way I felt a little more comfortable with that because if some crazy thing happened and this town hall had to go to a temporary location like the fire department did during renovation
i mean that's my fear is we go there and we never leave yeah that's okay now now that's more that would be more of a concern that's my fear as well sure and and then you're especially getting into a position where we go there with with promises that don't pay pan out so
things happen right right sure they do change but I'm not convinced that there's any I'm not convinced there's any way to completely avoid that risk but I guess I do think with Tom like probably the place to do that is in a contract in a
in a web of contracts what's going to be all these interlocking contracts with all the different uh transactions that are going to go hand inand here so I I'm just reading section four and it says until the town office is until the town of Littleton has relocated its town
offices to another location in town it doesn't bind us to move until we want to move then effectively right they can't kick us out that's that's the purpose i mean as a for instance there's nothing in here that says they can kick us out that's determined by the select board or you want that kind of say until we have
relocated it doesn't say that we will relocate on any it doesn't have any event under which we will relocate it just says until we relocate i can play what ifs well like what if I'm a developer what if something happens to
37 Shadic Street it becomes uninhabitable for some reason right right you like know what hospital did like uh no gloss the city hall that's a flood because he had to move out because of the wind for the tower it was unstructural had to move out for for
2 years yeah yeah i know the the moving out part in temporary places that's unsettling to a lot of people and I get it because it's a pain and it costs the town money to do that as well um but you that the concern the concern
there would be I'm a little bit more I feel like there's a little bit more control through contracts of that and depending who it is if it is 550 developer there's a whole lot of negotiation that's still going on with
550 on a whole lot of other things that um that developer depends on us for and vice versa back and forth so I think that's a good point um as long as we have a lot of that at play I'm that developer doesn't make me as nervous believe it or not as somebody else that
comes forward with a slam dunk oh my gosh this person this developer sounds like this is a much better deal for us some maybe an unknown entity or someone new in the picture that one makes me a little bit more nervous with this because yeah what's we don't have the leverage we have an enormous amount of
leverage right now with with uh with 550 so I share your concern with how it was originally worded where it said when we will move when either there's a new building or um they need this for affordable housing right now it just says we're in it until we decide to
move right it just says until such a time as the tunnel Littleton has relocated there's no condition under which in this wording that forces us to move before we're ready to move it's won't be our building at that time it
may not be our choice we don't have to land it well contractually we can we can Well that's so it's up to you guys thanks no thanks for Steve bringing that up i mean that's every every piece of discussion we can have on this helps us answer
questions that are going to come up and I have one more question for Tom tom motion one would be um just majority would motion two be 2/3 since it's majority both are majority but to sell a a parcel
of land isn't that two/3s this isn't the sale though this is the authorization it authorizes the sale right but we're asking for a special act and so to seek a special act requires a majority vote okay and once the sale went through Tom Meing
would have to have a 2/3 well so assuming we're going to need money and assuming that we're going to be borrowing money yeah it would be 2/3 and and in fact even if we weren't borrowing I think it would still be a two-3 it's the transfer
of real property thank you Mr chair thank you Mr veni anyone else no you sounded kind of confident on that 805 thing like a couple of hours ago i didn't know how much Gary was going to talk
hey Gary happened rob Browns uh attended the meeting the other night of presenting the 37 Chadex Street options and heard the public tried to hear the public with regard to Shaker Lane issues as well i'll just
throw out with regard to section 4 some of what I heard at the public meeting the other night got into aspects I think Gary you were speaking to with regard to people appreciating this building and some people really rallying around the concept of of wanting this building in
some way i don't see section three as giving you the opportunity or I or I'd encourage you to really these two motions you have the ability to really present to the town voters what the rehab of this building would be for
purposes of maintaining town hall i often find myself feeling like voters really need to hear that options and those plays that evaluation but not that you folks have done it privately because you always do but rather the town voters are presented with it so they really
understand it very very succinctly and clearly and so that's one point I really encourage make sure that you've got that ability at a future meeting in order to present those pros and cons because I think otherwise a lot of people are just going to resent that you're tearing down
a you raising a building secondly might be really stupid idea haven't talked with anybody but I think the heartstrings with the deeply affordable housing AMI really can
move people because it does but aspects of yet another new building that's shiny I think Jim used the word shiny and you're willing to you'll I forget how what you described is you'll go anywhere
house well in the Shaker Lane I've attended the tours and the discussion after the tours and people don't like the idea of tearing raising sher Shaker Lane for 3 to four million that they can get you know from MSBA to to take care
of that building they want some people seem to want that building as I heard the argument at the most recent 37 Shadic Street I started to hear aspects in the laundry list with regard to the problems in this building look something similar to the problems
with Shadic Street not shocking this building excuse me Shaker Lane not shocking in that this building's much older than Shaker Lane but that then it's each of them have their different additions so I just want to say there's some aspect that I could see the public
coming to you and saying why not do the deeply discounted you know here and don't make you know I'm not trying to say I support this but I could see others saying don't make us purchase yet
another x million dollar building for a brand new shiny town hall etc so just wanted to throw those two so you can start to juggle and try to figure out you've got the ability to communicate pretty directly on those two issues because I think I think I've heard at
the two meetings I've referenced different aspects of the public that really seem to have passion with regard to those points of view so I just want to throw this out while you're talking about it thank [Applause] you okay
anything else are you set Karen and set thank you okay so uh article 13 um was the um surplusing of this building correct
um and I uh so one of the motions is to uh take no action revise our support and vote to take no action on that um is there any discussion on that i I agree with that i agree with the motion as
well okay okay so just be so we're okay with that and we're okay with what Tom presented on 12 for the motion or do we want to do those motions separately or I'm okay with both both of
them i'm both I'm okay with with revising our recommendation on 13 and taking no action and I'm okay with the revised 12 that Tom presented the question is you want to vote them together or separate car yeah I I
probably am not I'm probably not in favor of the second section for the 12 so I if we can break it up I'd appreciate it okay sure so do you want to do the first Should we do the first one on 13 so move that the select board vote to revise their March
24th 2025 vote supporting article 13 authorize a surplus of Littleton Town Hall to allow for the development of affordable rental housing at 37 Shadic Street to recommend town meeting take no action on article 13 second move by Matthew seconded by Chuck all those in
favor Gary gary say I chuck Chuck I matthew Matthews yes aaron Aaron say yes mark say yes and are we ready for the second one for the second my my motion on article 12 yeah we've had plenty of discussion i'm
just not there yet move that the select board provides a revised motion for article 12 authorize special legislation to surplus town hall 37 Shadic Street for affordable rental housing and pursue the purchase of a new town hall and added to an amendment handout for May
6th 2025 annual town meeting as approved by the select board second move by Matthew seconded by Chuck all those in favor Gary is a no chuck I'm going to vote no matthew matthew's
yes karen yes and I'm a yes okay so so it passes three to two um sorry and we can And to be clear your objection was not to the first part it was to the second part yeah okay that
was all i mean I guess I could have made a motion and it it would have probably had the same result if I made a motion to just move on one yeah I understand i think so i didn't It was I think I understand where you're coming from so I just wanted to clarify and I'm not and I just want to make sure it's on the record that I'm not against this idea
right you just don't think it's the time to do both of them yeah I get it and I get and I I feel horrible with Jim and I because I know work you put into this as well i just I appreciate that i I still have a lot of questions on this property that I I want to get resolved i agree
with you that's that's it i don't want to be labor i agree with you and I'm much more I'm I'm definitely in favor and moving forward on motion one motion two I'm okay with either way on i'm okay with
letting the voters decide i think that's what I was going that's where I came down on it yes that was Mike but I think I guess I'm always in favor of more information um and so I think if we're going to come back to the town the more information we can present
to them the better and so that's why I think it's it's worthwhile to try to seek that authorization to get more information it's fair but I'm I agree with you i'm much more concerned about motion one than
motion two so um and then there's also Thank you um the lot 107B which I don't think we have a motion for specifically that was just information that says Light and Water is okay with the 107A
and they have a plan um bond yeah um so I would just say that making that we've already made it excess or surplus i'll keep saying excess until the day I die um surplus um it does limit potentially
what we can do with the property right next to it be because um keeping that in select board control may be something that we're more likely to do because if we did need access it sounds like that was the piece of land that now LightMart is more
comfortable with using anyway so just they ruled out being able to use the other land yeah pretty much but they wanted to be very careful that who knows with new technologies and things down the road who knows it looks like even the the half that we're keeping is problematic for for a lot of it so potentially yeah so I think I think it's
a fine way to go okay um Oh minutes are we on to that i'm sorry i just add Yep no any corrections okay move that the select board vote to approve the meeting minutes from the select board meeting on April 7th 2025 second moved by Matthew
second by Chuck all those in favor Gary yes chuck thank you Sue yes matthew yes karen yes mama yes motion to adjurnn second moved by thank you Tom matthew second by
Okay good night everybody gary yes thanks Tom matthew yes karen yes mark said yes so thank you everyone we'll see everyone at meeting good night Karen good night
good night thanks everyone