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Thank you. >> 2. >> Come on, Margo. >> We're counting down. >> We are here um for uh Can you get by? Thursday, June 4th, 2026 planning board

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meeting which uh will start out with an informal discussion uh on Fortune Great Road with Holy Development and Hebrew Senior Life. Uh can we stand and do the pledge of allegiance algiance Thursday?

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible for all. >> Thank you. So, our fifth order of

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business is uh an informal discussion about a proposed deeply affordable senior living um

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proposal at Fort Gro Road. And um Morgan Pearson is here from Lei and we have by Zoom someone from Hebrew Senior Lab. >> Okay. You want to start? >> Sure. Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the board. Thank you for having us.

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Um as the chair said, Morgan Pearson with Leole Companies, the proponent. Appreciate the time this evening. Um with us virtually is Kim Brooks, who's the executive vice president of Hebrew Senior Life. Um, and really I think as

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you you said, Mr. Chair, that the idea is somewhat informal tonight to provide the board with a little bit of an update on what we are working to put before this this body in uh this month hopefully from uh from an updated site plan approval process. Um, and so I just

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wanted to give a little context and then um hand the microphone virtually over to Kim who can give a little background on Hebrew Senior Life which is an incredible organization we've come to know um over the last year or so and um

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and just learn about their organization and and how they might be able to fit into this community. So, um, looking at a familiar plan to the board, I believe we wanted to focus on a couple

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of areas. Uh, 410 Great Road on the left side here, as well as um, this kind of vertical strip as part of 550 King Street. These are all importantly intertwined in the sense in the context of progressing the project as a whole.

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Um, and there's more history here in terms of our organization looking to propose different layouts, different plans, and getting feedback that we should reconsider, which we have. Um, and so I guess I'll just talk through a

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couple of these pieces with the board if that's okay. And then again, we'll we'll pivot back to 410. But, um, so we'll start with 410 rather. This is the current very high level proposed location for

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really 70 to 90 hopefully 80 to 90 deeply affordable and affordable senior housing units. Um we'll give more information as our application progresses, but I I I think it's just worth noting for the board and

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the public the importance of that that density or that number. Um and I can let Kim speak to at high level. However, you know what I will just say is what we've learned of course is that these buildings um provide an incredible

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service and operation and space for um seniors and that operation requires a certain amount of efficiency and cost and density helps that from an economic standpoint uh or economies of scale rather. So our team with PCA the uh

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architect the master plan architect that that you're familiar with. We worked again with very high level parameters to see what we could fit on part of the site. You'll see very much here this TBD it's it's in green that is just a placeholder. Our intent is to further

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plan that. But the the real um you one of the the important sentiments we wanted to convey tonight is just keeping the momentum um and uh and focusing on this element which the board and the community has made clear to us is something they they wish for us to

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progress um at a faster rate. So, there's not much to look at here, uh, other than, you know, it it certainly fits on the site. Um, and, uh, it it works for what we're we're looking to do. I think this is not what the

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ultimate layout will be. It'll be some version of this as we dig deeper into the site plan analysis, but, uh, wanted to give the board this preview. Moving back to 550 King Street, here's King Street at the bottom of the page. Um, some of the feedback we've also

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heard along the way is the the desire to keep the tuttle house on site and there's been some compelling suggestions to us to um, you know, from those understanding that it cannot stay at the location

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um, where the future King Street Green will be where my kind of cursor is right here. But um it fits very nicely over next to uh the edge of the our property which was somewhat newly acquired and across from the common. Um so this sort

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of keeps in the spirit of some of the buildings around there and I think what we've heard from the town that this would be an important location for this historic house for the board's just information. We are um scheduled to go before the historic commission on the 10th of June um to get some additional

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feedback from from them on this idea as well. But again, wanted to to share or preview this with the board this evening. Um, we have some additional retail here that's very important based on interest from tenant groups. This is what we're calling building 800 right here. Um, and then

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again, zooming in on this, proposing a neighborhood market uh in this general vicinity. All of the white boxes you see here are TBD. um there's not necessarily changes underneath them, but we're still working through them. And I think what I would

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just say is a lot of what we're able to clarify through this process will inform what happens on those uh those white boxes. So, in the interest of not distracting, we've just kind of boxed them out for now. And uh of course, just like tonight, as soon as we advance some of those designs and those proposals,

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we'll be before the board um for for your input. So, that's that's high level. Uh it's a lot. Uh but really I think again over the next month our intent is to focus on these two or three rather four buildings um in presenting to the board with a course of very high

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importance on 410 great road and progressing and and uh pushing forward this uh senior housing element which we're really excited about. So, focusing back on that, um, you know, I'd love to hand it over to Kim in a sec, but it's,

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um, you know, we we as an organization spent a good amount of time speaking to people across the state and up to, you know, the highest levels of, uh, of the government and have found um, an incredible amount of support and um,

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compliments for Kim's organization. Um and we've subsequently been able to um tour and bring uh Barlet uh as well as uh Maryanne who's in the audience tonight to be able to tour the some of their facilities and I think it was a

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really positive experience for us all, but I will let them certainly speak to it if if they wish. Um, but we're we're thrilled with the idea of be being able to bring the senior housing component to Littleton sort of sooner than we maybe anticipated and also maybe in a larger

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way, but much more impactful. So, um, that's sort of high level. I can certainly answer questions, but perhaps maybe it makes sense to also um have uh Kim chime in, but I defer to you, Mr. Chair. >> Uh, we'd like to hear from Kim. >> Great. I'm going to stop sharing. You're >> fed up with you.

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>> You've heard enough of me anyway. Here we go. >> We need audio. >> Oh, I'm sorry. We don't hear you yet. >> Oh, >> here we go. >> All right. >> Yep.

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>> Hi. Thank you so much. Kim Brooks, we live. Am I not going on? Is it just on my you hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. Yep. Okay.

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>> Well, we are very excited about the potential opportunity to uh bring housing and to Littleton. We've really getting to know the boy companies and um also

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by your mom and we got to tour you. So Morgan and I thought it'd be a good idea just to give you a little bit of an overview of Hebrew Senior Life and then I can certainly answer any questions that you have. We are a 120 yearear-old organization.

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Um we are Bostonbased a nonprofit um and we serve about 5,000 older adults every day. Uh our mission is to enhance the experience of aging so all can live fully. So everything we do, we're in a lot of different businesses and we

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provide a lot of different services. Um but everything we do is focused on older adults. So um we do that through research uh teaching um and then uh again through direct service across the

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the campuses that I mentioned. So um those seven campuses we serve people of all faiths, all income levels um and across the continuum. We have um six of our seven locations are senior living

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with independent living. Um and we that includes affordable supportive housing. Uh so for us that is a range of of deep a deeply affordable um up to moderate affordability. um all with a lot of

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really intense services to support people to live in that independent setting for as long as possible. Um and then we also have assisted living both traditional and memory support assisted living. Um and then our facility based care in on two of our campuses includes

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long-term care and short-term rehab. We also provide a number of services in the home. We have a uh home health company. We also have a hospice uh and then we do a number of rehab services in the home as well.

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Our um in addition to those direct services um and we we also have some specialty programs and a couple of them I I just wanted to highlight I thought you might be interested to hear about. Um, one of those is our center for the

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prevention of elder abuse. Um, which unfortunately is is such a challenging issue and there are very few uh resources for people who are suffering from that. So, we have uh one of the only shelters where we provide

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supportive services to people, but we're also to able to provide emergency shelter for those who need help that have been that have suffered from some kind of abuse. Um and then we also have a woke center for memory health which is focused on um

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people suffering from cognitive decline supporting them supporting their families um providing a whole range of services um to people living out in their home um that could benefit from that. Um, and then the other service that I I just

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wanted to highlight, we call our R3 program, which is right care, right place, right time, and it's relevant to what we're talking about in Littleton. It is um our program of integrated care and housing, where we basically bring a

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package of of care and wellness services into affordable housing. Uh, small team of a wellness nurse, a wellness coordinator. They get to know the residents. They do an assessment. they do proactive reach out to people um and then they identify any areas of risk and

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then help support those individuals um again to to stay in that community for as long as possible. So you know we have many people living with us 90s 100s um and they are able to stay in that independent setting and you know they're not back and forth to the hospital

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because they have the supports that they need. Uh so in addition to direct service I mentioned um research and teaching we are um an aging we have a Marcus Institute for aging research focused on um you know all things

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frailty falls falls prevention uh brain health um we have about a $90 million portfolio through that institute um mostly of national institute of health um funding um and then in addition to that we have a care force um institute

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wonder careforce institute which is focused on uh training caregivers. So we train nursing assistants um and then hopefully in the future we will also uh train licensed practical nurses. Um and then I thought I'd just briefly

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highlight our areas of growth where we've been growing in the last few years and where we're focused on growing in the coming years which has been all around our affordable housing. So over the past five years, uh we have opened four new communities um and have a

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couple more in the pipeline. Um and we just we continue to want to provide whether it's developing um new from the ground up and then bringing all the supportive services um or you know partnering with other others to figure out how how we can continue to to add to

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that footprint as there is such a need. our wait lists are very long and as you probably know um there is just such a need for affordable housing especially that with supports. Uh so we have a very small development team um but we've had great success working closely with the

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towns that we do business in um as well as the state as we go through the the state funding process um on each of these projects as well. So, we're really excited about this particular opportunity. Um, you know, one because

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there's an engaged town that's excited about development there. Two, um, you know, a developer of the Lully Companies who has great experience and is also, you know, excited to partner and, you know, they have site control, which is such a an important part of us getting

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going on a project. Um, and then having this piece of land that is, you know, going to be so close to so much else going on and other things that we can leverage in the town, as Morgan said, it is always really beneficial when we can have that kind of, you know, the the

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more volume we can have of older adults living in one building, it just provides for uh economies of scale that allows us to bring more services and supports. Um, and then you know people can access all of the amenities that are close by. So

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hopefully that just gives you a little bit of a a sense of who we are and again I'm certainly happy to answer any questions or or talk in more detail about um anything if you would like. Thank you. So I I just if I could add I I think you

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know the hope was certainly open to the board for questions or or however you like to to kind of learn more about Hebrews in your life and what we're thinking in hearing Kim. I mean I'm so happy her her voice and uh her perspective is so much better than

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hearing from from us all the time. But I think one of the things we're excited about is um you know as we've become more educated on what we're trying to do specifically with the senior housing pieces um the synergies with what we're looking to build and what this board recently

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approved on the retail which is you know Kim and I have talked about can we get one of the chefs from one of the restaurants we put in to come do a class over at this at the senior um building that she and her team are creating. That's something that some of their other properties have done. and you know

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when family comes to visit their their loved ones we know they have a place to bring them across the street for whatever it's ice cream or coffee and so there's all these uh other pieces and then of course I've talked with some of the board members and other community members about how close it is to the senior center here um and and creating a

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van or some kind of uh shuttle system and so there's a lot of um I think we we think anyway positive um I'll just say it again synergies with with this uh this site and with Hebrew Senior her life. And um again, we're we're just

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really happy we were able to get this far. And um as Kim said, the importance of what we've all heard, which is we think is a lot of support from from the community to have something like this in uh in Littleton. So I'll I'll stop talking, but I'll leave it to the board

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for for any other questions. Kim, um, one of the, uh, points that's been made is that getting these, uh, facilities off the ground and funded is complex and timeconuming.

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Um, can you outline for us what that means? >> Yes, I mean it is it is time consuming. um the you know the initial stages of design, site control. I mean some of the things again like I feel like there's a

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little bit of a head start here with site control which is which is huge and and normally we'd be starting from scratch just introducing the concept to the town. Um and you all are are much further along on that. So so that's exciting first steps. Um but from there

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the on the financing side you know it is a bit of a trajectory because to get to go out and get state funding which would be through the tax credit system that's really the only capital that is available um to put one of these deals together. Um and to be able to go for

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state funding you have to have support financial support from the town. So, we'd work with you and go through your process and your affordable housing trust process. Um, and would need, you know, the state would be looking for that signal from the town. So, at least

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most towns that we've dealt with have, you know, their own whole infrastructure and time frames and and schedules that you were working with first. Uh and then you know we lead up to the application process with the state which happens for

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the most part once a year. There are times when the state is able to do additional rounds of funding but usually they do one round a year. And so then you go in through an application process and you know once you're in the application round it takes about eight

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or nine months before you find out whether your project was awarded or not. And then it takes another handful of months, eight or nine months to get to closing because you're putting together all the financing sources um that need to come through to to make

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that work. And then as soon as you get to that financial closing, you're breaking ground. And depending on the size, most of our uh new developments that are, you know, about this size have been 12 to 18 months of construction. Um

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and then, you know, we're able to open from there. And then the fill is very quick because the demand is so high. Does that answer your question? >> Well, um, specifically, when is the next

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round of applications due for the state? Well, I think the I mean the next traditional round, you know, this this fall is probably too fast where this

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project is. Um and so the standard round that for the state funding is um you know usually a pre-application process in September or October. So that would be a year from September.

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>> Okay. So in sorry >> well we work on pre-application um for the fall and then what's what happens between that and

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when the application goes in or is acted upon. >> Um you mean what happens before an application goes in or what happens? Well, you said you so you said that uh the pre-application is accomplished

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in the fall and then the next fall is the application. >> No. So, let's say let's say we went for a pre-application in the fall of would be fall of 27. So, be a year from September.

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If we're if the project is in really good shape, then we would hopefully be invited to what they call the full round and we would do a full application to the state, which usually happens in January, so a few months after that pre-application.

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Um, and then the state makes its awards in the usually in the summer. So, you find out, you know, about 8 months after. Um and then if you're awarded then it's you know from there you're then moving on to the financing piece

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>> and then what con constitutes uh a pre-application what the materials for the pre-application and what I'm trying to get at is what do we need to be working on you know >> uh so that's I mean that would be our

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homework the the work that we would do directly with the town would be, you know, following the process that that you need to get through affordable, you know, housing trust and whatever your town meeting process is and, you know,

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hopefully getting the approvals to to get funded through the town to get some level of commitment and and funding from the town. That would be our work with you because we can't go to the state until we get that done. And then our

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homework um is the pre-application that goes to the state. And we've, you know, again, we've we've got a good track record of that. We've done that many times now. We've been successful. We've continued to get funded. I mean, it's a competitive process. There are a lot of projects um that are, you know, that go

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in for funding and it's not all senior projects. It's also multif family projects. Um so it is a very competitive process. Um but it's why you know we we work so hard and so closely with the town with Lupi you know with the

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architects um and make sure that our application is is perfect as perfect can be so that when it goes in you know we're we're hopefully invited then to the full round. >> So don't mind if I jump in. So if I interpret

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you know what what does it mean to us? We need to do something to make sure that we can demonstrate the financial commitment. uh from the from our various housing pieces there. We probably need to demonstrate commitment from the board here about approval that we're willing to give approval to this site type of

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thing. You know, I'm looking for the kind of actions that we need to take concrete things on to make sure that we don't delay the ability for you to move forward on an application. >> Yeah. Um thank you. Yes. And you I mean that's exactly it. It's the we would

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never put an application into the state without site control, you know, the approvals from the town and then the funding from the town. And so those those are the those are the pieces and we can certainly coordinate with you on the you know getting into more of the

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details and the very specifics and and kind of lay out a timeline if if everybody's like if we feel like there's there's support for that then we would we can put that together. Mark. Um, all I can say is it's been 25 years

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in the making and it's finally we promise senior housing to the seniors for 25 years and it looks like we're on the cusp of finally having a viable means to give a substantial 90 80 to 90 units is a great is a great start with

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that. And um I commend the Leoles for proposing this to us. And I think we should do everything we can to push this along as quickly as we can cuz you know, as she said, um it's it's whoever gets there

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first because there's only x amount of money. So we want to be in the front of that um front of that queue when we get a chance to. So we should, you know, have probably bring everybody in to figure out what components have to be put together, how Marin has to it's

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going to fall on you. You know that, right? So how we move, but I just I think this is fantastic. This is something that, you know, we've been trying to do for so long and now it's we can actually see that there's a way to do it. >> Margo,

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>> um, yes, everything that you just said. Uh, I have questions. I guess for for both Morgan and for you Kim um because I feel like these are some of the questions that we will get asked as well. So you said 80 to 90 deeply affordable units. Um I guess my

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questions for for you both kind of relate as you're looking at what will be in this building. Um how do you determine or or what do those 80 to 90 units look like? Are they onebedroom, two-bedroom? Are they single bed, dual

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bed? um how do you determine that? And then I guess outside of the context of those rooms, you mentioned, Kim, that um some of your locations, I love that how you describe the continuum of care with senior living with independent living, assisted, memory support, short-term

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rehab, long-term um having inhome services coming out of these facilities as well. How do you determine what services Littleton would need? And is that based on the size of the facility

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or looking at like the the composition of the community? Um what what goes into determining that? >> Um okay. So let me try to get all those. So I think uh for units we uh typically

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all of our units would be one-bedroom units. >> Okay. Um they are you know again this is not multif family right so this is older adults most of them are living alone we have some couples but uh they would be one-bedroom units and they tend to be you know there are very specific

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guidelines when you're going through the affordable housing um state funded process. So the unit size is usually about 630 square ft. um we we all of our communities that we build, we work really hard to make sure that there is

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ample community space within them. That's just so important to socialization and, you know, being able to bring services in for people. So, we will often have um you know, while we wouldn't have a full dining venue there, especially with everything that will be

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available right across the street, we'll make sure that we have a you know, we would try to build a store so people can access, you know, have easy access to anything they might need. We um we would have a fitness area. We would have a resident services um space where they

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can meet with people. Um we often have a large community room where people are gathering and then you know card rooms places where people can do the things that are important to them. Um and then uh as it relates to the level of service

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or level of you know what kind of services we bring in this would be um all independent. So we wouldn't have we wouldn't have assisted living on site. We wouldn't have long-term care on site. It would be independent living. Um, again, it would be very serviceenriched

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though and we would look to partner and I don't know all of the organizations in your area, but we would certainly get to know the area and understand who the providers are there and figure out what partnerships make sense so that we can make sure that as people may need

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additional levels of care or other supports that we have strong partnerships in place so that we can make sure that people have what they need. Did I get all your questions? >> I think so. Yeah. Um, so just to to be clear, you said most of the units are

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for it would be for elderly people living on their own at this point, not for or what percentage, I guess, would be for elderly couples. >> I mean, any it could be any. So that all the units would be about the same size

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and they would all be one-bedroom units. But if a couple applies uh you know usually we have again more um singles than we do couples but it could be that that couples do move in. >> Okay. >> But they wouldn't we wouldn't specify the unit how many units are for couples

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and how many are for singles >> you've actually had a tour? Yeah, I've had a tour and it it it does seem to be an impressive operation. From what I can tell from walking around for an hour and listening to some of the caregivers

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there, um it um seemed a lot like um the market rate place that my parents lived in for a long time. So, I'm I'm I'm happy with that. I'm pleased to go ahead with this. Um I guess my question

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at this point is um what is the are are if we have say 80 units um how many of them are deeply affordable and how many are there others that are market rate or at different

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levels of affordability if is that something that that has been discussed at your end? >> I mean Kim you you can speak to it but we haven't advanced that far. I mean, I know our special permit of course speaks to a certain level of deeply affordable.

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So, we would obviously adhere to that, but um right now we're in the >> you know, does this make sense for the board and the community and uh and then we start digging into a lot of those pieces of it for sure. >> Right. And then the the store that that Kim talked about, um, would that be

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similar to the store that we saw in the Brooklyn buildings where it's just, you know, a loaf of bread and a quart of milk and I don't know, I mean, really basic sort of a very small store. It's not a a supermarket. >> Correct. It's a very small small store

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just meant for convenience and, you know, graband go items. And again, I think Littleton would provide some really unique opportunities because of everything that's going to be so close. So, too early to say what we would do there. I think, you know, we would that

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would be part of the the fun of of planning and figuring out what makes sense for that location. Um, so I don't know that it would look exactly like the one that you saw. It might be very different just because of of what we have there. Um and then for affordability again too early to to say

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exactly our kind of typical community that we would design would have they would um the units would be 60% AMI and then we would work hard to get as many um 30% AMI or you know deeply subsidized

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units that we can but that that too is a process that we have to go through as part of putting together the financing and understanding what's available from the state or any other programs that we might be eligible for. Um, but our our homework would be to have as many deeply

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subsidized units as we can and that the rest would be, you know, affordable by the tax credit standard. >> I have one more question. What about um, uh, Littleton residents? How would we address Littleton residents first for

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something like this? I know it's got to go through the state, but how do you normally handle that? cuz obviously we want to make sure that the people that have uh lived in Littleton for as long as they have and want to stay in Littleton get first shot at units that are there.

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>> So if we would do a market analysis of Littleton and the surrounding area and if that proved out that there is the great need in Littleton and and there's enough there to go on then absolutely the we would apply to the state for a

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Littleton preference. Um and that would mean that on upon lease up if the state awards that preference that Littleton residents would have first shot at those um new. >> Okay. >> Just a couple other comments. I I didn't

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get the chance to tour your facility there. I had the u need to tour all of the facilities in the Bangor Brewer main area for my mother and what you described there is what I saw typical of you know between 80 to 100 units. Uh

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they are all onebedroom some with older couples and a lot of them are are couples that have been you know that um one of the spouses is no longer uh there uh for it. So, and I also saw the, you know, personally experienced trying to find the need in order to be in a queue

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waiting for a a you know, a room to open up. So, appreciate also the the need for the local preference uh pieces here. So, you know, I I just want to express my my own personal support for the project. You know, understanding that it is more than what we had originally were talking

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about, but I understand and and the size proposed is exactly the same size. I've seen of numerous other facilities uh there again for all the same reasons uh cited there. So I don't want us to get set back by you know 80 versus the 40

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that we were talking about originally uh there because you know I think you know even if it's not the local need the area need is showing that we need that much um capacity there. So, I'd like to make sure that we do whatever we can to demonstrate to you our commitment to

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this project and and if there's anything you need. Again, we we try to make sure we're signaling the right things to you for this. This question is for uh how is this application effort in putting this together,

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how's it going to be organized? So I think our our intent is to have 410 as a single application and then likely probably two applications at 550 King Street. >> Not for 550. I'm talking specifically

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about the senior housing about supporting HSL and you know how who who's going to be doing what. So, we're already working together based on some preliminary conversations to advance the

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site plan submission. Um, but it will come from Leolei. Um, just as you've sort of seen in the past with when with other partnerships. So, that's the that's the intent for 410 >> Kim. Um, how who and what town entities do you

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need to engage and when do you need to engage them? We have some people sitting here in the audience who might be part of this. Uh what is your what's your process? So not knowing your your town and how it

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works yet, I think our homework or my homework is to get get caught up and understand how you operate and what all of your various uh committees are and also you know just understand that obviously Lei Lola companies have done a lot of that work with you. So we just

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have to figure out how to insert ourselves in that um and and also get you what you need. But I think you know we have some homework to do. we really we've got some homework to do on on design and really coming up with a a site plan that makes sense. Um, and then

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I think we can lay out for you the the things that we know we'll need and and maybe that potential timeline and that would help us figure that out. >> Okay. I I I Yeah, I there's a couple people in the

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audience that I want to point out. Mary Ann, >> who you've met with them and >> and you're the chair of the affordable housing trust. Um I I'll get back to you. But then Carolyn Mueller, who is the head of the CPC,

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which is um where ultimately the money would any money that's available would come from. We have Mark Brambacher who's a board of selectmen. Um I would say that we are a small town, you know, barely 10,000

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people. Um and uh you know don't be shy about asking where do I who do I talk to who needs to be a part of this etc. Now back to you. >> Yeah. >> Can I speak?

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>> Yeah sure. Sure. >> Hi folks. Maryannne here. Um affordable housing trust and white tailway. So Bartlett and I had the opportunity to visit the Brooklyn campus of the HSL Center and um I wanted to share some observations. Um it's an incredibly

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impressive operation. I have to say um what struck me is I guess I went expecting to see uh housing, right? Uh an apartment building and it's so much more than that. It's really a community and that's what strikes you when you first walk in. There are common areas.

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There's a hair salon, a little shop, there's signs posted everywhere of the different activities that they have going on and the staff is really fully engaged and committed like they are connected to the community and they have, as Kim mentioned, they have processes in place to make sure that they stay connected, right? It's a place

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where you would want your your parent to be, right, if they were if they were in independent living because you know that there are eyes on them and that there's a lot of focus on um on keeping everyone engaged. uh we visit a unit. The quality is excellent. There's nothing that would say this is a affordable unit. Um really

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nice as Kim mentioned about 630 square feet, but it's plenty spacious. Um there's plenty of room. It's a it's a nice layout in this in this particular facility. Um and also if you've had the the chance to visit other units as you have Daryl, right, for for your mom and I've visited

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a bunch of them uh for my mom, I would put this at the top. I would say this is best-in-class in terms of the the quality that I've seen and also the the community and just the the coverage that they provide for for folks and I think HSL is the the bestin-class here and not

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only not only are they going to design it for Littleton but for themselves, right? They have their own brand to consider and I think that that's a really positive thing for us to want to engage with them where they have that standard. Um, just a couple of the things, any question that we asked, like the questions that you asked about

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preference for Littleton residents, they have all the answers, right? This is all they do is work with seniors. So, it's it's just really nice to know that we're working with the um the experts. And uh yeah, and in summary, I think it would be incredibly fortunate for us in

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Littleton to have HSL come in and um and develop this for our seniors. I think we should jump at a chance. >> Thank you. Um, this is an informal discussion, but I'll invite the people who uh took their

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time to come out and hear this to speak. Rob, >> Rob, 25 Juniper Road. Very excited to hear what I heard. Uh just a few detailed questions, probably too detailed, but there's parking spaces for the 80 to 90 units,

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>> correct? In the current plan, but since early days. >> Okay. And um from a standpoint of the uh transition uh going from independent living, you said you've got assisted memory care and others. Does your resident service team identify and did

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the people that need those services have preference within your, you know, various campuses, etc.? Well, I mean, I think with Littleton, given the, you know, location and, you know, not being that approximate to our

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assisted living and long-term care, I'm not sure that would be people's first choice. But certainly because we are a whole system, if people need and want to take advantage of those services, then we can absolutely, you know, coordinate that. Um, I do think up there some of

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our work will be to understand who the local providers are and develop really strong relationships with them so that our team can work with them and help with any transitions and and make those as smooth as possible.

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Okay. And last question pertains to the the dining experience which is often from my experience loved ones is a very much a social engagement and critical part element and not having it. I just want to emphasize how I heard about the

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the van transition, you know, to try to be worked out. That seems to be like a a very important aspect that I might end into into another uh thing to really explore with regard to center on Chadic Street in order to figure out that

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scenario because from my personal experience that was absolutely critical over an extended period of time. So I encourage that. But look forward to this. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yeah, I will say on dining, I you know, with a with a site of this size, we wouldn't, as I mentioned, be

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able to have a full dining venue in there, but I am excited about um, you know, meeting, learning about the senior center, understanding what their programs are, and again, seeing if we can do something really creative just because of everything else happening

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right next door. >> George George Sanders 672 Great Ruin. Um my concern is uh I've been talking with the developer there and uh he had um

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mentioned to me that uh what he really wanted to do for Littleton was something that he wanted to do because his father always told him always remember to do for others. And the thing that he wanted to do for

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Lelton was that he wanted to do something for the seniors because the seniors have very little when it comes to housing here in the town of Lelton. So he said that he wanted to put in some

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deeply deeply affordable senior housing. That was his main objective as he discussed it with me. And I would like to know because I wrote to the governor about this deeply deeply

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affordable housing and spoke with her on the 21st when I was at the state house receiving an award. And she said that she supported this deeper deep affordable housing for Leon.

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And I thanked her because she said what you wanted was my support for this. And I said, "Yes." She said, "You have my support." And I was pleased to hear the governor say that. So my main concern is because

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he said to me that it was Littleton where he wanted to put this deeply affordable housing. And I like to know from you. And he also spoke about your organization with me as well. and that's

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why he wanted to partner up with you to do this housing at 410. My concern, the question has been asked already, how many housing, but I'm

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concerned about Lilton resident. Do we know how many units? He said to me the letter that I sent off to the governor, I said 60 and I put the number 100 there. So I'm concerned about what

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is the number? What number has been talked about? I've heard you know 80 units or 90 units. What is the number that you're looking to put in Lton? First part of the question. The second

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part is do we have any idea of that number? I know you said that we have to present it to the state for the state to approve and say yeah little get this but I think

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it's important that we know a little bit about what the number because in the past when we was talking about 40 units they was kicking the number around how many Lilton resident would get that and then the rest would be open to the local

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um area to other uh citizen town or c citizen that wanted to come and move in on that. So, that's a key concern to me because I have a local TV show and I'm telling the seniors about what this

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developer has said that he wants to do for Lton resident. So, I got that embedded in their head now as to what he want to do for Lelton. So, I like to hear from you. What is it that you're

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willing to do for Lelton? >> Well, I certainly will give it to Morgan to to speak about any specifics. I think it's a little too early to know where we are with with numbers. Um, I understand and I hear you that you are the the town

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is interested in local preference. Um and that is something that we've been successful in other projects achieving while you know working with it with the state and and applying for that through the state. I just I think we are way too

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early to to put a number on that. We just we have work to do. we need to to work to figure out um you know the design, the total number of exact units, the financing, um the market study that I mentioned

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that will tell us that will help drive that local preference process. Um but I, you know, I hear you and I understand that that is very important to to you as a a town member and it sounds like to to many on the board as well. So certainly

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be mindful of that as we continue the work. >> Do do you mind if I make the comment back to George? >> So So I was going to just make one comment back, but I think there could be something there. One of the struggles I had personally is, you know, there's the

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need for senior housing. We recognize at some point though the my parents parent recognizing it's time to move out. and if they don't start identifying that they're ready to move out, we don't identify that local demand that's going to be needed here. So, I think it's

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critical for, as you're communicating to the seniors, is making sure they're clear on signaling that there's an actual demand for this, that they're not going to stay in their house, >> right? It took it took me eight months

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to convince my mother to give up her house. >> I believe it. uh you know uh and that was after multiple years of trying uh there. So there's >> I've just experienced personally this making sure the seniors recognize they

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they are ready to move to a thing there because if they don't when they do their survey and their studies there if the seniors aren't raising their hand that they're going to move into it we won't get those local preference slots. So, I think that's something that's going to be key for you to tell to

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communicate to your listeners and the seniors that you're working with that they have to be ready to start identifying that they're they are ready to go into a to move to a facility like that, give up their house uh on it. And I'm telling you, that was

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the that was a major hurdle uh there. I bet you experienced the same thing >> uh there uh for it. So, so anyway, I just want to I I think we're probably, you know, based on the timelines, probably eight months too soon for some of those questions, but I know that we

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need to start laying some groundwork on both sides. >> Okay. Uh you made me lose my thought as to where I was there, but uh anyway uh it's good to uh hear here this evening

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uh that this board uh is um willing to u put forth the effort and uh do what they need to do in terms of u helping Leole company to uh get this uh project up off

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off the ground at 410. Uh it is something that um we need in the area uh for the resident and hopefully the resident will realize that uh as I told them time after time there are still

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people around that care about the seniors and uh it's very glorifying to know that um Mr. Leola really care about the seniors Pacific here in the town of

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Littleton and uh I appreciate him um wanting to do what he wants to do here in terms of putting forth uh deepest deep afford senior housing because our seniors live off a very limited income

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and uh they have to wonder about the halves and have nots and uh I thank um this board first and foremost uh for the opportunity to hear you say

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that you support such a project for the seniors here in the town of Littleton and I'm grateful to you for your support. Thank you. >> Thank you, George. Um Mark >> uh Mark Ranacher, Hartwell Avenue. I'm on the affordable housing trust and the

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select board. So I have comments on this from a lot of different perspectives. Uh to what Daryl was just saying, I think two or three years ago, it's been now uh the low poly company came in, we did a presentation over at the library asking the seniors what they would like to see

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in the housing and everyone almost to a a person said we don't want to lo afford apartments. We need to stay in our houses. So there is a huge educational component that we have to do in town to help uh people realize that

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they can give up their house that they can afford to live in these places that type of thing to take this preference. Um so that's my general comment from the affordable housing trust. I think this is a great project um and we really need it in town and we should be supporting

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it. Um having said that the affordable housing trust has a lot of fewer projects out right now. So when you're coming to ask us for funds, uh we kind of need to know sooner rather than later. So before we start committing things to other projects. So we kind of

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need to know scales and things um from the select board and CPC hat. We have uh meet town meetings in November and May. So, you know, if you want money and support from us, we need to know, you

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know, a couple we need to get those on the warn a couple months in advance and there's a lot of groundwork we need to lay for that. So, um I'm I'm just suggesting that uh to get some of these funds is it's

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not that it's going we time is going to be of the essence. If you want approval in um a November town meeting, we're really going to have to be working on this pretty soon. If you want to wait till May, we have a little bit more time, but we're going to have to be starting on some of these processes pretty soon. Thank you.

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>> Your comments to Morgan. >> Time is of the >> This is Morgan always is telling us time is of the essence. So, >> on the same page this time. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, thank you all for coming to this. This was sort of the last minute

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thing. Thank you, Kim. Uh we heard great things from the people that attended your um site visit. >> Uh thank you Morgan. You've uh has taken the time to um bring us along on this. Um and

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for now I just want to make a plea for no one to drop the ball. I'm still trying to understand who has the ball. I think it's Lei, but I it's also HSL. Um Mark's comments are well taken. We do have some,

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you know, we do have some resources that are in the affordable housing trust bucket. Uh I'm on the CPC. Carolyn Miller is here is on the CPC. I asked her to come and uh but uh the town contribution has to be defined

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sooner rather than later. >> Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh that's done. Um Maren, do you want to do the site plan

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storm water thing now or after board business? >> Uh well, it's up to up to you. >> Should do it now while you have. So, um we have hopefully the final

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um >> question >> version of um the town green site plan decision and storm water permit decision. And the uh the point that we've been going back and forth on for a

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couple weeks is um a town interest in some kind of shity that the the what's called the um what are we calling the King Street common >> green >> green? We know it's not green.

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>> We should call it the t and listening to Margot I think we should call it the tuttle green. whatever >> whatever >> that's >> however so in the end >> what has been come up with that is um

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more or less uh I think okay and from Le's uh view okay is item number 20 um which is KSC green will be an integral part of the phase one King Street common

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>> okay so the one that you're reading that's on the copy in front of you. That's the one that Morgan wanted to talk about. >> This has not been gone through by our attorney, but this is what they would like us to consider, and we can give direction tonight whether we'll consider

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it. >> Um Jeeoff, you're misunder you're misharing me. >> Okay. >> The the one um that Morgan has suggested um takes away um the having it tied to the third occupancy permit. Um he said

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that's might be an issue for financing. Um so he's hoping um that um they would be asked to either finish the town the King Street common green or um grade seed reclaim it right

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>> or put a bond in place for that um at a time frame that's after completion of the five buildings um of King Street Common. So, um, which which is item 20, >> right? But the item 20 says after the

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third building, occupancy of the third building. >> Oh, that's the problem. >> Oh, okay. >> Was the new language shared? >> Um, >> no. >> No. >> Okay. So, that's why I'm Yeah. Sorry. >> I'm sorry. >> So, um, so basically you just want

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to not tie it to the occupancy of the third building. you want to um have any if if the green isn't achieved. Now, I want to tell the board it's sort of common sense that they need to finish

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the green to have tenants to have a viable project. So, there's no anticipation that that's going to be stinted on. In fact, I've been told that their leases probably will require the con, you know, the the accomplishment of

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that green um for them to rent uh commercial space. Uh in this version, we do have recourse if at the end of phase one um

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that town green is not uh accomplished. Um the planning board can require a bond for grading, seating and reclaiming the site pri and and this will be enforced

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uh by uh the issuance of occupancy. And this is not we we are not doing the third building. We're doing >> well that's for for your policy input. The request is for to allow up to the fifth >> up to the fifth building. Now the reason

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for this why it has been pushed back on is that they have financing for the entire thing and that using the third building is not acceptable to the entities that finance this. I'm my my concern about this has

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always been just to not to have a construction zone in the middle of this project. >> Your it's your concern too. >> Correct. And uh if we have >> instructions in perpetuity if I just sort of specify >> and you have also said that if there is

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this problem then the whole project is you know >> um so I'm fine with removing the you know to to roping in the basically the first phase

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what we call first fa phase one retail Um, but let's talk about it among the board. >> Well, I'll start off. I don't think we have the right to ask him for a bond in the first place. This is not a roadway.

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It's a private entity. Um, usually the only time the planning board has ever asked for a bond is when there's a road involved and uh they get the lot releases by putting posting a bond to make sure that the road will be finished. As you stated, it's in their best

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interest to finish this green sooner rather than later. We never posted any bonds up at u up at the point. They just and they're still they still have one more pad left to go that they've taken 10 years to do and we have no bond up

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there. I don't see a reason why we should have to why we should ask them for a bond. It's well I think the difference between this and the point is is that this partic you know the the pad unfinished pad at the point is at the

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very end of it's out of sight. >> I I agree >> this is not and so I think we can maybe go a little further in this matter because of that >> situation.

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Okay. But I still what mechanism do we have that gives us the right to ask him for a bond? >> Well, because we would well and this has also been brought up. There are other phases of this development that are going to come

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before us pretty soon and those phases can be held up. we can condition the furtherance of uh you know further occupancy of buildings for these future phases. >> Well, I would rather see it that way.

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I'd rather see >> Well, that's that's implied in what we're talking about. >> I'd rather see that than have to have to post a a bond for this. I'd rather say you can't start phase four. So we have a we have a a belt and suspenders

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>> with and we're not talking about a bond to >> it's not even a big bond. It's >> No, no, no. I mean it's to make a field and part partially under that field is a subservice drainage for the phase one retail. So >> um which is why it's appropriate in the storm water permit decision. Anyway,

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Marco, >> so I don't have the historical context that you do, but just hearing kind of constituent feedback now, I hear a lot of like, but why do we have that eyesore

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up at the point that has never been completed? Can't planning border, can't the town re that in in some capacity >> like having things not fully completed up there? Um, I mean, you know, there's the >> talk to the people who live in Gray Farm, you know.

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>> Yes. Yes. Um, but then I've also heard that about the the open weed-filled lot next to Northern Bank. Like, what are we doing to rein that in? Shouldn't we have done something there? And just because we

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have precedent that we didn't put a bond or something else in place to require completion with other projects, I don't think we should take that use that as a limiting factor here. I think to your point, we all want to see

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it get done, including you. And I think good contracts make for good policy. So I would like to see that language tightened up in here. >> But we don't have the right to ask it. That's my point. We're a planning board. We're regulatory. We don't have the right to ask them for a bond on a

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privately owned property. We only have the right to ask for a bond if you're asking us for something like if you're building a subdivision and the roads aren't done. We have the money to finish the roads just that's the only >> What can we put in here? >> We could put some conditions in there

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that they couldn't get the occupancy for building three or building four or something. We could That's >> This is what is in this. and they're asking us to use that for further phases, not for this phase.

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>> I'm I'm okay with it. If you're okay with it, I'm okay with it. And my point is it it sets a bad precedent. We don't have the right to do this. For 35 years, we've never >> And and the background is we'll be seeing soon the next phase of retail, which is where the hotel was going to

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be. So the completion of that green is even more imperative for the developer. >> It it's just that I don't like setting precedent. That's the only thing I don't have a problem if we continue it and do it this way if they're okay with it. It's just that we we only bond roads.

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That's all the point. And we do under we would have this concept of if there you know walking away uh they had to at least return >> put a grass seed up seed it grade it >> you know. >> Okay.

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>> What is town council's guidance on this? Well, um the tool that we didn't have 35 years ago was the is the storm water permit process and that um specifically gives the funding board uh the authority to set a bond for completion of the

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storm water work. Um like Jeff said um a lot of the storm water for the site is treated at this site. It under the >> it's under the lawn. >> Great. So it's appropriate to have a bond in place that construction debris is not left there. And again, it's not

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accus accusing you of doing that. This is just in terms of making sure there's basic protections for the town. >> Uh there I'm >> and in in in speaking with town council, he would like um just final direction um from the board and then he'll draft the

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wording based on on your direction. Um, >> so to sum up what and I'll go to team Bartlett. Well, I wanted Bartlett. Why don't you um speak to this issue?

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>> Okay. Um, Morgan, the um are you what's what's your plan for the sequencing of the five commercial buildings? Are you going to do them all at once? Are you going to do them every finished one every 3 months? I I think the true answer is we're still working through that. Um the

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>> and I forget who I may have mentioned tomorrow or someone else in this conversation is >> flexibility though on that front is is paramount which is one of the other reasons we had a lot of trouble with this this third building which felt both arbitrary but also restrictive and when we get restrictive then we have to start

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doing things a certain way to adhere to that. I don't know if we're going to go east to west or west to east or we're going to try to do you know whatever we lease first. Um the idea is to build it all at once for the most part, but that doesn't mean there isn't also sequencing and also is there's a staging area and

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using free space so that we can build faster um you know store equipment, store other things obviously in a in a tidy way. But um my sense is that we'd like at least the option to have this some of this land usable as we try to finish all of the vertical construction

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nearby. Um which is again why we we it's really important that it just can't be in the middle of it. you have to build the you know the the field and then tear it up every time we need you to go across it. So is all the drainage structure in where this is going to be the drainage will all be in the only it's not it's

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not finished that >> that would be right that would be that would be right >> yeah you have to get all the drain likely yes again I have to we have to look at the sequencing but yes >> I understand the town's position it's just we we are very incentivized to not

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have the hole in the middle of our property and then once we move as as chair mentioned to the the other side of the the green I I mean that is a we can't even fill those buildings unless the whole thing is completely filled. I mean the landscaping, the hardcaping, the lights, the electric. I mean it

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there's no one's going to go to those if that's not done. Really the first part of it is not going to work if we don't have that completed. >> Um but again we run into trouble if we start talking to lenders and they say wait a minute you if you if you do this footfall then all of a sudden this falls apart and then you lose leases and then this thing spirals out. We just can't we

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just cannot do that. So, we presented language that we believe we can work with, >> which this I thought this was this was not. >> So, you're just pushing it out the fifth building. Can you >> Well, you're you're pushing it out to We're not pushing anything out, but we're we're allowing for flexibility.

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>> You're saying at the end of the fifth building, if it hasn't been completed, there will be a bond to at least >> or we'll complete it, you know, or we'll bring it back. And in addition to that, we're saying that we will uh in the future phases, probably phase two, which

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is coming Well, what are you calling what are you calling the supermarket? >> Um I don't know. I don't have a name for it yet, but >> but it's specifically commercial on the other side >> the next the next iteration of >> on the other side of the green um we

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will you know impose conditions at that point >> but you're it seems to me that you're not going to be able to open the buildings 11 and 12 if that green is not

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I mean if that's a bulldozers and whatnot equipment there so you need to finish it before you can get those buildings functioning >> occupied. Yes. But the way it will work is we'll build the core and shell >> and then the tenant will come in and they will have their own build out as well. >> Right.

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>> So it's at some point there you really want everything finished. >> Could throw up like the map that shows all of those buildings around the the green and I'll >> I signed out a little bit. Give me a sec. Um and so the the other part of that um

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discussion was to consider whether um the board would be comfortable um with setting a a date certain for either completion or um grading and seating or bonding. And this was a suggestion of of the

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council. Um >> because that gives both the town and the developer an either or. >> I mean could we do something like 60 days after occupancy of

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>> the um whatever the >> whatever the the adjacent building is there, right? >> 12. >> It's 11200. >> Well, yeah. is I would suggest the it be after the I think what Morgan is suggesting is it be

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after the completion of the final building the fifth building whatever sequence that's in >> I was just thinking in terms of if you if we issue I think your one of your diagrams showed a restaurant a two-tier restaurant type of thing right up next to the green right

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>> I I to me it would seem that once we issue the occupancy per permit for that 60 days they should have that >> not look like a construction site anymore. >> The two pink buildings beside it. Is that That's what we're talking about, right? >> So, you're going back to the third

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building. Is that what you're >> I don't know. I >> No. So, you have 1200 still? >> I can't see the numbers there. >> This is 1100 1200. >> All right. 1100, 1200, but >> what happened to 1300? It's still there. >> It's still there.

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>> It's just not colored. >> Oh, 1300400,500. Yeah. >> Okay. So 11 and 12 but the um the green or the common area there and it would to me it would seem that would would 60 days after issuing of the occupancy

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permits for that that's because that's when you'd expect customers to start coming in that the green be >> yeah it just goes back to flexibility Darl I mean I I don't I don't know what that's I I guess we should just maybe start over what the town is trying to

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accomplish and my sense is don't have an open pit there for a long period of time. >> Y >> within that boundary though, if we're doing this whole phase right here, really trying to do this all at once, I don't know if it's if that's highlighting >> Yeah. that >> we would just we're asking for the

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opportunity to just finish that work and then make sure we that this is finished afterwards or regraded. But I think we're getting I I feel like we're getting a little too in the nitty-gritty here of of what buildings are finished when and then when that town green is it's again it's in our interest to do that but we're asking for we need more

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flexibility and I don't know if I'm even asking I guess we really need more flexibility. So because if we if we if we do 1500 after 1,200 for some reason but not 1100 it's just you know what what are we trying to do? I don't know why we're over complicating it.

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>> Right. And honestly if that's the direction that the board is comfortable in going then town council will work um with Napoleon on coming up with recommended final wording. I I like I said, I don't necessarily need to be super hard over on this. I just want to put some basic protections

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in and you know, I could be flexible in that as long as, you know, as as the town's perspective is protected uh there. >> Well, the um the wording if the planning board deems that a bond for grading, seating, and reclaiming the site was required prior to issuance issu

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issuance. So if we or >> is required >> is required >> um and then we eliminate the third building and I I'm uncomfortable with the time frame. >> Mhm. >> Um

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I just >> you know I mean who knows how this is going to go. >> Mhm. >> We we want it to go great. Yep. >> Um but we don't have control over >> Exactly. >> Um that I mean we can't force them to build something if they have no money to

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do it. >> Morgan, when are you going to take the other green space apart? The one with the the orchards and everything in it behind the title house. Now when is that >> I mean that's this area right here. Um >> well it's >> not sure yet, Mark. honestly, but I mean

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it'll be part it would likely be part of this >> because you have to put the title house somewhere else or site together. >> Yeah. So, we got to get that figured out and finalize that. But >> um you know, yeah. >> So, the options that we're discussing are gate it by the date, but it sounds

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like that is that's too tough to wrap our arms around, or gate it by tying it to the occupancy of the third building, which sounds like They don't want >> right >> and it sounds like you were saying can

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we tie it to the occupancy of 1100 and 1200 since they're the buildings with the closest proximity to the green so it seems like it is most relevant to the tenants of those buildings right is that fair to say >> I mean it's most important I would say

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sure >> um >> or uh give us this and and is so I appreciate Mark's point of view about bonding on private property. I

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appreciate Mar's perspective on yes, it is appropriate because it's part of the storm water system. Um, so what how would it how would it be worded? I you know, we don't want to go over

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wording. We could be here all night. um for this first you know with the the designated first phase which is 1100 1200 1300 1400500 and um yeah

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just I we just I guess did we run out of time because I mean we put a lot of thought into wording that was really workable and I guess I guess it didn't get shared but that would have helped maybe answer that question. Okay. >> But um >> well, usually when we get stuff right before the meeting.

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>> Yeah, I hear you. I know. I know. And I know we're all pushing. So um but it does speak to to from my perspective, from our perspective, it it protects the town. Um it incentivizes us to finish the work. Um and it's sort of and it sets a deadline and a timeline for it,

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but it's tied to the first phase of the retail and it's not more complicated. >> So that's a that's an interesting way of putting it. three points. We are in agreement that those are all points that we want to consider. >> Mhm. >> Right. Um and so the

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>> question for the board um I I can read this if it's helpful. Okay. If upon completion of phase one of the retail project buildings 11, 12, 13, 14, and or 1500, the KSC green site remains disrupted and has not been graded and

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seated reclaimed. The applicant shall post a bond based on grading and seating and reasonably satisfactory to the planning board in both form and amount until the applicant has brought the KSC green site to a satisfactory minimum conditioned upgraded and seated

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reclaimed which may not happen until the applicant completes the construction of the retail buildings of budding the opposite side of the KSC green from the phase one retail development to ex to the extent required said bond fund for this work shall be posted with the

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planning department. Um the difficulty with that is um not the for zoning purposes we're used to tying um bonds to a building permit or

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an occupancy permit or something um that the developer needs from the town as far as um what the time frame is. Um, this doesn't quite identify it, but if this is the direction that the board wants to go, um, then town council can can come

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up with appropriate wording. >> I'm I'm also, um, once again, I can't imagine you going forward with your retail without this green in addition to all the other things you're covering.

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However, the way that's written is if you did building 1100, 1200, 1300,400 and didn't do 1500, you know, anyway. I I don't know. >> And that's that's why May may maybe a time frame, you know,

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November 2029, if it's not done yet, that it needs to be graded and and seated >> um or bonded. >> Yeah. So what do you what do you feel about a time frame? >> Yeah, I mean one one idea we had to that concern was if we said something like

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construction had halted for a period of six or eight months or longer that we would have to post a bond like immediately. Um >> that's interesting >> and I think it goes to the concern and that gives us a little bit of time. It's pretty tight and I and maybe you know I might get a little slap on the wrist

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when I get back to the office but is um you know I think we can understand that g given this language that so that if a time has passed to your point if we for some reason don't build 1500 and then we just everything but again it just it starts getting a little silly to us because it's like we're not going to

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leave >> your whole great processional there would be nothing >> and even and yeah I mean even the grading and the seating That's a that's something we would do without being asked because it's >> I like the idea of the let's say 8-month hiatus.

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>> Yeah. >> Prolonged cease ceasation of construction is the term that um >> Okay. >> May I have for later discussion tonight? >> Okay. Um Okay. So,

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>> you're okay with that? >> Yeah. I mean, I just want to Well, I would like to see what town council comes up with. What I would just say as long as we have the opportunity either to do the work or post the bond because you know we might just be like yeah do the work. I think as long as you're working on it, we don't have a problem, right? It's it's things stopped for some reason. That's what we need to

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understand >> to do. So, you know, tying it on to, you know, um that um constru, you know, construction progress is halted, >> you know, and then we can set a timeline on based on that. I think, you know, gets to our intent, right? Something's

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happened. Work is stopped, right? >> We need that site cleaned up. >> Yep. So you're getting painted by the Northern Bank brush right now. That's that's the honest it is. It's it's an eyesore. >> I agree. >> And I told the manager there that it is. >> Yeah. >> Anyway,

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>> unfortunately for you uh um so direction any other comments board I think we've spent enough time on this and uh >> so that uh concludes uh and this was an unscheduled thing. Morgan, please give

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us some credit for going over it at this meeting and say waiting for the next meeting. >> We appreciate it. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. >> Um, thank you for coming. >> Thank you. >> Um, >> so can we go back one more thing while we still have Morgan >> since we're talking about the senior

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housing and everything else like that? >> Um, I think we need from you what you need from us. >> Yep. you need to send us some sort of memorandum of a checklist of where you're going with it and what we need to do with it so we have it in writing so

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that the boards that are going to be affected can get going cuz as Mark said if we want to try to get something in November we need a road map of what we need to do to get there for November. >> That's very fair. Give us a little time to get that together. >> Absolutely. I'm just saying it should come from you. >> But I think November could be doable.

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>> Yeah, I definitely do too. The the other thing I think we're all needed a little bit more guidance on insight on terms of is what level of town commitment for funding. >> Absolutely. >> You know, are we talking $10, $100,000, a million dollar, $10 million? We need

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10,000. >> And it can't be 10 million. >> No, but we we need we need a ballpark so that we know what we need to do to put >> we're in the sort of early dancing phase. And I think both sides didn't want to scare the other off. So we we're I think we're now hearing that this is something we want that the tech

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>> have you seen a proform of one of their projects? >> Uh I have not actually not recently >> that but I don't know if she will but I certainly can get a better sense of what the expectation is. >> My understanding though is that it's you know it's it's um

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>> they sort of refer to as a gesture but I think it's it should be meaningful to some extent. And also I'm sure she'll say the more the better. I mean, yeah, these things are really tough to capitalize and it's it's a big project. So >> So would we have a problem if it was 100 as opposed to 90? Do we do we want to cap it? Do we

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>> I think the well just what I know is that at some point I think you know maybe 100 is the number. It just becomes very hard for the state to give so much money to project. >> It's that sort of the brackets is like 50 is too low, 100 and 150 is too high or it becomes multiple rounds and you

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have to build different buildings. So I would also imagine, you know, if the town comes up with money, we would want to tie it to specific affordabilities of so many units. I mean, I'm sure that affects

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what they're able to do with, >> you know, >> Right. Right. And and you know, we will they'll be have countless conversations about that. I think she says now is the time. Now we start really getting the engine going. So, >> and do you think that she got what she needed to

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>> I think so. Yeah, we'll catch up. But I hope I hope the board got what they wanted, you know, needed as well in the community, but we're excited. >> I hope she heard our enthusiasm. >> Yeah, I think so. I think she did, but which is great. Um, and uh, so we're we're we've already candidly had a a meeting to try to talk about, you know,

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>> well, and I want to acknowledge that I don't think our town could accomplish this without the facilitation, I mean, apart from money and all that stuff, without the facilitation of your organization

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because it wouldn't have occurred to us. >> It's never going to would never happen. I we >> we have a long way to go, but I appreciate that. But I mean, just technology. >> Yeah. No, I grew up in a very small town like this, so it just seems completely remote to my where I grew up. So, but it's it's great. We hope we're really excited about making it happen. Thank

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you, though. >> Thank you. Okay, great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, it's now almost 8:00. >> 8 o' This is our light meeting. Uh, everyone who's still here, the rest of this is a um,

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>> you have draft minutes from May 14th, >> right? Sorry. >> Does anyone have any issues? >> Make a motion to approve the draft minutes of >> May 14th. Can I make a second? >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Now, our recruit and the the purpose of this is to just, you know, we have a an endless

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surf of projects coming before us. Um, sometimes the surf is really violent, sometimes it's not, but we have stuff that will be coming before us, which often doesn't give us time to think about other um

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things we should be thinking about or could be thinking about or might want to consider. Um, and when I say, you know, this endless churn of stuff, you know, the Dalan site will be,

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you know, in play. The, uh, the Baptist church site will be in play, the apparently the old Cumberland Farms site is coming into play. So there's in addition to the all the other random

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ANRS and small developments and what um so I don't think we need to go into that type of thing at this but we want to bring up other things that we might want to be consider

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considering. Um so I will go ahead. Um, I was going to say, um, LCTV, um, gentlemen doesn't cover, um, board retreats. So, so they're, um, if the board's ready to move on to the retreat,

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>> um, then LCTV can sign off and we'll redo the Zoom and >> get started in just a moment. Okay. Thank you.