all right I would like to officially start February 18th 2025 Littleton conservation meeting um a little bit out of order tonight we're going to go ahead and start with our 7:30 um and we're going to hold the
administrative discussions till later on this is a continued discussion enforcement order 15 hour road unpermitted grading and fill in the buffer zone we have um Matt that is here to speak with us and John so Matt if you'd like to introduce yourself and
feel free to screen share okay um thank you um members of the commission anybody in attendance from the public watching my name is Matt Maro I am a professional Wetland scientist and an environmental consultant um I am here um to assist Mr
McAn on his road to um Reclamation um as far as I know up to date he has provided the commission with a plan um some restorative narrative and I'm here to see what I can do to finalize that
and help you guys finish it up okay John do you want to add anything to that um no he's I I think Matt's seen everything that I've submitted to you guys um and I know at the last meeting you
guys were looking for kind of a brief overview with some bullet points and a time frame breakdown of work happening and I've been super busy with work the last two weeks and I haven't finished that yet so I'm sorry for that I'll definitely have it by the next
meeting um other than that I think where we left off at the end of last meeting was on a good not and I'd like to keep going that direction I do have the last plan that
John did send me that I could put up on the screen if that's okay sure yeah I think that would be helpful Matt because last time I I agree with um with John we had I think a very productive discussion but it would be worthwhile even if Matt you're um let's
say shooting from the hip here to to at least review the things were reviewed with John to make sure you and he are on board I John I was hoping we'd be able to sort of wrap this up tonight but understood I don't think we're gonna get two out of whack if we push it two more
weeks but it my two sents is we we should have this wrapped up two weeks from now yeah just we've had a lot of snow in the last two weeks and I do a lot of snow work uh during in post storm I'm actually working right now
still so just on that Matt quick question Matt did you have an opportunity to watch the um the replay of the previous meeting didn't have the opportunity to watch the replay I've actually been really T up on my own issues but please I think prior to after
this discussion tonight it would be helpful for obviously for you all to get back together but to kind of go back and visit that hearing because there there was quite a bit of dialogue dialogues are right and and specific things that that we wanted to
see for example Matt um I think we asked John to work with you to come up with a bit more specificity in the replanting plan where we did not I I would say express any strong opposition to it but we want to understand more generally
than just 12 berry bushes what what that means for example and you know sort of normal things in a restoration plan that you I'm sure would advise genre normal like seed mixes and and things like that um we also wanted to
see this this plan revised to acknowledge uh some sediment and erosion controls as we worked on the bank again things I think that you would advise Johan are very normal things um and what else was in there there was one one other thing one thing that comes to mind
is also we had the discussion about doing Discovery um in the in the dirt kind of like scarifying seeing at what point we're getting down to viable soils that's not in a construction debris that's something that's going to be a
viable soil so that that discussion I think is imperative to listen to yeah we had talked about having one of the Commissioners on site um Matt Matt needs to know that CU that's going to go into your sequence of of things that are going to
be noted in the filing or on the plans I can take care of that so what I will do is I will review that meeting um based just on the discussion you're giving me right now I have a feeling I know exactly what you want um and I think it's well within the um scope of what Mr
McAn is able to do based on my discussions with him so I will work on that with the driveway restoration a planting and restorative narrative that goes you know throughout this area that you guys are concerned with um and I'll get you guys more details on like a
planting schedule a monitoring schedule you know and a reporting schedule um those things should be fairly easy for me to do most of the drawings that I've seen from John actually are fairly accurate and he's done a good job so I can actually work with these drawings to
base a narrative off of and have those revised so that um we can get like erosion control put in have places point out you know what the plantings are going to be where they're going to be um the you know a herbaceous seed mix Etc
so I think it's something that we can handle pretty readily okay and one thing to add to that Matt is I think we also asked for an understanding of scheduling when when some of these things are going to happen no no really you know extensive
thing but construction sequencing kind of bulleted list right and normally I think you guys are familiar enough with my restoration plans that's what I usually try to accomplish um to make sure that that is in there so that we have a clear understanding of what the timetables are um what you guys expect
for inspections construction sequence it again it's it's stuff that we can do fairly reasonably um for both Mr mcan's purposes and to make sure that the commission's concerns are satisfied I'm sure I can balance this out pretty readily for you guys okay so we meet
again on the 4th and a reminder that where we meet on Tuesday those files have to be in for the Thursday prior do any other Commissioners have any other comments or reminders for um for the applicants will include a list of the
items that are being removed off the property yeah actually John did provide me with a list of items that he's removing from the property so I will review those with him and um make sure that the list is complete um for you know the
commission's concerns and uh I'm just looking at list now sorry guys I just want to make sure everything is I'll get the record completed for you guys and make sure everything is in a good one easy to understand packet that will get everything out of the way yeah and Matt I think so you're
aware where're our sense is we're we're very close to the finish line here so um I think our goal is to have this buttoned up so that the restoration can occur in the spring during a good planting period and and
all that so we we really don't want to to push this out any further than we need to no understood I'm just gonna take a quick look here at give me one sec um while he's working on this have we had discussion of snow storage
because it goes down the hill we haven't Sarah I it's just the bank that it would go off of his where the part is the most unstable oh if it makes you feel any better Sarah I don't put snow down the
hill the challenge here is there's almost nowhere to put the snow I guess kind he kind of lost me I don't I don't put any any products down in my driveway I do one push down the middle of the driveway to the backyard that's it all right I I can work on something
to try to address that for both John and the commission that will make you know everybody um comfortable okay all right so we with your permission will continue to March 4th and Tim will let you know what time you're scheduled
for just looking at the calendar so I'll have all the materials in by the 27th which is the Thursday before okay great thank you enjoy North Carolina thank you hey have a great night you see Matt okay we're gonna go ahead and open the 7:35
the uh Point Conservation restrictions you may have noted that we've already voted on these originally back in November 23 Amy would you like to speak to these or is there Ray do you want to do that what would you like to do
actually yeah Ray is here who and you are muted Ray so y Ry if you would like to introduce yourself and just give a brief history um that would be great sure thank you Sarah so I'm Ray Lions I'm an conservation attorney based in Harvard and I represent the various
ownership interests that constitute the point and um year and a half or so ago we came to the commission for the approval of uh two conservation restrictions so to protect the Wetland on the left side of the property as you're entering it uh this is part of
the overall scheme uh for protecting blendings Turtles and other uh listed species that are in those Wetlands after that um it turns out that technically there are three owners not two owners of the properties that constitute the point so in the process
of of pulling other things together um including getting some little clarifications on the survey plan and details for the Baseline documentation report um we're coming back to you to asking it to be approved as three separate
entities and if I can screen share for a moment a picture might be worth a thousand words let's see if I can find this [Music] well I thought I had put it right up on my
desktop and I don't see it there well I'll just continue with what I've got there basically there are three separate properties and the middle one is owned by the market back basket interest and that one basically doesn't change at all from what you approved a
year and a half ago except for the dates um as for the other two they are the property that you first encounter when you first come in there's the map I'm looking for thank you Amy yeah so the one at the at the very bottom of the property and the very top of the property were
formally both in the same conservation restriction it really makes a lot of sense to split it up so there's a separate conservation restriction for each of these areas that way if there's an Enforcement issue that arises you don't have to engage any of the other owner is it can be just an enforcement
action against the part of the property that actually has the issue so this actually is to turn it from two conservation restrictions into three and and you can the wording is as identical as possible for the three of them and and you can see the three ownership
interests that are assigned to each one of those CRS so it's basically asking you to approve again um the the uh approval of conservation restrictions except that as three CRS rather two CRS this
time I'm also asking that um Amy have they seen the Baseline documentation report the draft that was put together that is almost finished I was going to say uh a while ago I was gonna say none of those conditions have changed so that
Baseline documentation report is still good yeah the Baseline documentation report which was prepared by another consultant who actually it's actually probably the most complete bdr I've seen for a property of this size in my career so that was Steve IIs that was Steve ivis okay so um perhaps asking you to
authorize one of the co-chairs uh to sign that um as part of this process so approval for the three conservation restrictions and also authorization for one of the chairs to um to sign the Baseline documentation report okay um
Commissioners do we have any discussion on this I do have the references for the CRS I have a couple questions Sarah if that's okay yeah um Ray one thing you said with the market back sket portion is that it was basically the same except
for the dates do do you mean that it's it is the same except for the dates or there are there other changes to the Market Basket portion in terms of substantive matters there's almost no changes at all I me this is mostly an admin it's mostly
an admin these are administrative changes that were asking you to author to approve tonight okay and Amy and Tim do any thoughts from you all things that you've taken a look at here that we need to be particularly aware
of I don't think so this spent a lot of time with back and forth with the EA on EA type issues having to do with splitting it into three Town Council has seen this uh and the select board will hopefully be voting on this next Monday on
and in that process I mean did we get any understanding of let's say the the lines out there as far as the ecological significance of it are arbitrary right like it is is there a is there a dispute
resolution process in here where if some harm is coming from one portion of the property onto the other like where how does that all fit together because what I I really don't want to do is get us stuck in the middle of different parties and Ry I appreciate what you've said about you know individual parties that
we can take enforcement actions against if they're in violation but sometimes those things don't always let's say follow the arbitrary lines that we might draw on a map so let's let's let's think about that from a practical perspective something is happening in one part of this property that is affecting a
different part of this property and that's so subject to the conservation restriction um they're going to do an enforcement order against both of them because something is happening in the Source problem and you're having you're just going to take action against both of them if it's almost
analysus if if something bad is happening on an AB budding property that something flow then flows into land that's subject to a conservation restriction um especially you as the Conservation Commission as regulars Regulators um you have you have powers to protect Wetland areas and species
area um that are actually independent of the conservation restrictions so so you know with this one C you are the holders of the conservation restriction you're going to have your regulatory hat and you're going to have your CR Grand te hats that you can wear to bring things
to Bear to get things correct fair enough thank you R and I also say these properties I I think are almost 100% buffer Z own properties if not Wetlands there might be one corner up in the Northeast but everything is certainly riverine or
wet yeah H if if I may I see what the benefit is to the owners potentially to split this up but what's the benefit to us if we're essentially saying we're
only going to be able to go after one person who may or may not have the money to do the repairs versus it's a single property it's a single project so why wouldn't we just treat it as such why would we split it up into three separate
pieces I'll put my lawyer head on do you want to have one defendant or three defendants if you're taking an enforcement action you want have I want I want to have whoever is able to make the repairs and my concern is if the
person that happens to arbitrarily be identified for whatever part doesn't have the resources um then it's still one project so why wouldn't the other parties be expected to step up
and contribute but you do have separate owners Market Basket is a separate owner so s Park doesn't own all of it yeah the these are property lines not just lines of convenience if you will right right and we have we have several conservation
restrictions Monarch is probably one of the biggest ones where there's multiple properties and multiple owners that are been changing over the years and it's easier to keep track of who's in charge of what um if we do it parcel by parcel
all right okay good question there okay I would like to move that we approve the three CRS that we've discussed and if we're okay with that I will go forward with the three separate motions I'll second that oh did we want
to include in that motion the um authorization of either your Chase to sign the Baseline I'm going to have to do it on so there's going to be three separate ones so I'll do that on each one gotcha okay so the first that I would like for the commission to approve
is cr1 16875 also known as DS DSM mb11 LLC so with that approval we would also have one of the chairs sign that into effect do I have a motion to
support So moved second roll call roll call vote uh let's see here Ed Ed Bai Kyle Kyle Max Michael
Michael let me say I chase chase g i Sarah Sarah word I myself I it's unanimous the next CR is cr6 876 also known as a point- lc4
LLC can we have a motion to approve that and also to allow a co-chair to sign that into effect second all right roll call vote uh Chase Chase gig I Sarah s Seward I Michael
melon Ed Ed Kyle Max myself I it's unanimous okay and last I'd like to have a motion for to approve the CR 17464 also known as a point lc1 LLC and with that approval to have
one of the co-chairs sign that into effect I think Ray I think that's 17463 or do I have a typo here you I had a one from what you sent me but Ray what is that I don't have it in front of
I had CR 17464 also known as Point lc1 LLC that is probably correct yeah yeah I'm sorry if you identified as the lc1 point yeah PR you'll have covered all the bases
okay so approve it okay thank you do we have a second second I'm sorry that sorry roll call vote Sarah Sarah I chase try g i Michael Michael Livingston I Ed
Ed FS I Kyle Kyle Maxwell I myself I it's unanimous thank you Ray for coming in and thank you for all your your help with that obviously one more question so we we have a we got two people speaking Amy
what I like to do is is if it works for Andrew is have the signature pages because we need live signatures from yall up at the town clerk's office because it's gonna have to get notorized so it probably be easier if it's just sitting up there is that okay with you Andrew it might be sitting there for a week or two that sounds great
yep and I again I'm gonna have two copies in case the dog eats one so there'll be two Originals actually there'll be six Originals to sign okay ray you had a question yeah so the question would be about the Baseline documentation report it is a single Port but it applies to three different
properties so um I'm I'm picturing that you'll be approving the bdr um as submitted there'll be three copies that'll be signed by the individual owners so you will have an original signature for each of the entities and and and a report that you can put in a
file for just that property owner um and and then one of your co-chairs can sign three copies that I will be handing off to my client one for each entity and Ry when will this be recorded on the
Deeds so it still needs to be uh sign by secretary but um that's been taking that's that's actually a problematic thing the secretary is taking forever to sign things off but I want to get I'm retiring in May and Amy is getting ahead
of me here in a couple of weeks we're having a race yeah well Amy's going to show me a little bit about how the beginning of retirement can look because she's going to have a three month start on me um and Amy it's been great working with you over the years and I know the LCC is going to miss you and um I gota
yeah yeah so it's just at this point for everything we're having to do with the points there just some Logistics things I've heard you give your approvals authorizing Chase or Sarah to sign I think we're in a good place okay great
thank you for that and happy retirement yeah congratulations right thank you thank you you'll still see me around I'm just not going to be wearing a lawyer's hat okay great all right thank you good night thank you good night okay it's
7:54 we're going to open uh the 7:45 public meeting request for determination of applicability 10 Sarah Indian way known as U 27-15 d0 reconstruction of a shed and Doc permited good evening this is John
Brooks can you guys hear me yes thankk you John great I'm gonna share y go ahead John I'm going to share some slides if I can if you give me one second and Sarah wise doing that I think there's a number of people in the uh the audience that may or may not have comments so we just keep an eye out for
that I'm not sure who they're all here for but okay Sor I've got the attendees list up I'll keep an eye on that if you want to discussion yep okay John we can see your screen if you'd like to walk us through and John you the owner at 10
Sarah Indian way uh yep I'm the owner at uh 10 Sarah Indian way and we're here to talk about uh a pre-existing shed as well as uh compliance with the local doc policy okay great all yours go ahead so quick agenda uh project description
we'll talk about the site location and then I've just separated out two separate slide decks uh temporary Dock and a shed and then questions and next steps um project description is permitting of an existing temporary dock uh there's two SE there's two portions
of that one is a a dock and then there's an unconnected dock float a swim float and then with respect to the shed it's a reconstruction of an existing shed within um the original location and footprint it's um unsafe and in need of in in need of
repair I'll kind of move quickly but feel free to interrupt me if you guys want to talk about in any of these slides here's the project location it's on the Southeast side of Fort Pond uh the parcel is denoted by the those yellow
lines uh the temporary dock it's a it's a pipe dock it consists of three 4 foot by 10 foot sections that are connected together has a pressure treated frame and all the hardware is Galvanized um and then the dock float it's 6 foot by 4 foot it's not connected
to the dock it also has a pressure treated frame galvanized hardware and the floats are foam with uh polyethylene encapsulation so they're uh plastic en closed floats which I believe is the standard now I assume you guys are pretty familiar with these docks they exist uh
grassy Pond has one uh Acton Arboretum has one just uh this is one of the sections uh they're supported by Galvan ice pipe and uh you put them in section by section and then at the end of the season you remove them out of the water and then the dock float here is
again 6t x 4 foot you're looking at uh the deck on top uh the frame underneath and then those two rectangles on the bottom are the two plastic floats and you know that's that's it all that's all I have on the dock so are there any questions or concerns on the
doc before we move to the shed Commissioners uh one question John is this stock the materials for the stock are they are they new or will they be new no they're not the docks already the docks already built okay and that that's
what I was trying to figure out if we were actually looking at a new dock or just trying to get the paperwork in order um this is all retroactive that's what I figured um John so as far as this Doc is concerned one of the say challenges
we've had in a couple locations is the encapsulated foam if that if the plastic casing starts to break down then the foam starts to break down and and gets released we have bigger problems with just foam itself
um is it all in good condition I guess in the sense that is is the foam all fully encapsulated yeah it's in great condition yeah I'm more than happy to share a picture if you guys want to see it I don't I don't have a picture of it with me but it's in great condition I I
have no reason to believe you're not telling me the truth I just want to make sure we're as we look at these we need to look at the condition of them particular when it's a do that's been there for a while yep makes sense okay yeah when you say been there a
while CH how old is this one Mr Brooks oh gosh uh that's a good question uh I probably say maybe maybe six years old seven years old something like that
um what's the lifespan of the floats expected by span I'm not sure the company is called Perma float they're pretty well established uh those last especially if they're in good repair and they're these are seasonal so that they
come I'm I'm assuming Mr Brooks yours comes out the winter or no yes it does yeah so and usually if they come out they have a very long lifespan okay yep if you want to go ahead onto your shed that would be great
okay great uh the shed is uh uh again reconstructing oh sorry I just moved slides give me one second um reconstru reconstruction of the existing shed is unsafe and need of repair uh original location and
footprint what I what I am asking is the addition of uh some concrete Footers for support you'll kind of see why when I go through the pictures uh here is a shot of the location again uh there's a series of easements there's a effectively a single
Lane driveway that comes through that area and then the star denotes where the actual shed is located on the other side of the driveway here's another shot uh interesting map from 1932 looks like these roads have been here since the early
1900s uh project location is on the star here's some pictures of the existing shed I'll just kind of quickly go through um what's going wrong with it I kind of categorize it as two things one maybe some uh I don't know LAX construction
standards and the second is that there's portions of it that are deteriorating so you'll see there's a joist failure on the bottom left and then the the footing that they use is just cinder blocks it's just kind of crooked and not attached which isn't decode here's a picture of the floor on
the inside is rotted away you can see the walls kind of rotted away as well here's a shot from the side you can see that that kind of cinder block footing again that's kind of crooked uh there's also there's also no Landing you
can't you can't um um you can't have a you can't open a door on a stairwell it's not to code you need to have a landing for that it's not safe and then finally here's the rafters a shot of the inside you can obviously see the rafters of deterior
ated so here's a here's a a plan that I've drawn out here depicting the fort pwns up on the top left the driveway uh the existing location of the shed uh the circles denote kind of where I want to
put a footing in uh you'll see there's a a few trees in green uh I don't know if you guys can see my cursor but there's a couple of trees in green on one side of the shed two and there's one in the back and then there's a series uh there's two stumps one cluster and then there's a
stump in the bottom and then I've marked uh well I've marked everything I think is relevant here proximity to the water 48 feet top left and then the bottom is somewhere around 41 feet um and then um again same location
footprint and then I have I've added some uh some mitigations which I'm going to talk about in a subsequent slide so I just wanted you guys to see the uh this the the plan before I actually talk about the mitigations we can come back to this
slide so I just uh did a little self assessment on the risk here identify the risk the resource area trying to establish some mitigations and then assess for residual risk and obviously you're welcome to uh partake in this from my perspective uh the only risk I
really am aware of at this point is uh any kind of erosion due to the soil remove for the construction of the Footers so there's a few ways probably to handle this uh one way is probably some sort of barrier to prevent the soil
uh from moving I just thought it might be easier just to simply just move it out of the area and then also in terms of the construction of the holes it's uh dug by hand or augur so no no construction equipment so effectively what we're talking about is eight
holes then from a risk perspective I don't see a lot of risk on project uh there's really no impact due to the concrete posts from my perspective and there's no additional impact uh replacement uh of the structure it's in the same location and the same
size I took a look at some Alternatives as well here's a topographical map you can kind of see that it is quite a steep area over there which uh makes it challenging to move uh the shed
anywhere I kind of looked at three areas is uh the first area is one that just wouldn't work because it's simply closer to it's simply closer to the pond so moving it North is a um property line moving it to the West moves it towards the pond and moving it to the South
effectively moves it to the pond as well and then that second area moving it to the southeast um I'm just going to move back to that topographical map uh this is all wooded up here in this section here um it's uh it's also fairly steep
was very steep actually so it's not it's not a it's not a likely candidate as well it's uh you know you have to take down trees and the section so to me that's not really a great spot either uh so you'd have to regrade uh I think there is one potential option to move it
and that's what I'd like to discuss with you all today um and that's really let me just slide back a couple of slides uh there is there is some space effectively 10 feet behind this shed where there are
no trees it's uh the stumps are sort of in the way but I believe I there's a chance I could straddle those stumps with this um with with this design it's sort of a it's the margin of error is kind of uh it's not a big margin of error
because of the stumps are there and because I have a setback on one side and a tree on the other but I believe it's probably I see no I I see no reason e is it your intention to try and keep
those three Green Dots there your trees yes okay thank you yeah yeah that was the last slide so uh we can take some feedback concerns comments from the Commissioners
Commissioners so are you moving the shed back 7 feed I think you said yeah I I assume that would be a preferred uh plan from the conservation Commissioners as it adds a little bit more space um I guess to the northwest
of the shed uh which to me isn't a bad idea it allows maybe a bit more space for the trees and those trees aren't going to last forever so well when they do come down it'll give me a chance to plant some some trees in that space um that's
I suppose what the value is in that eight extra 8 feet of space um but like I said it's kind of tight back there and I kind of won't really know uh whether it's possible or not until I try it uh but I do think it's uh
I do think it's it's worth trying and like I said if it doesn't work the original location should suffice is the roof pitch and everything staying the same same materials are you asphalt or you steel uh I had I haven't chose the
materials yet I was but uh with respect to the roof materials I was probably going to Ed um galvanized metal it's supposed to be uh and the reason that we ask is that just because of pitch and if there's
more collection of rain or directional rain we look at that in case you have any scouring with more with a potentially more flow yeah I think I think in terms I haven't picked the materials I chose was probably a metal roof to be honest with
you I think it'll last longer in terms of pitch uh probably pitch would change you're talk you're concerned about the velocity of the water coming off the roof correct yeah I can I could certainly um think about that put some mitigations in
place for that and thought about that yeah can I follow up on that as far as the location of it as well um Mr Brook what I assume that it's underneath this current one is unvegetated there's no grass anything like that correct y so
I guess my concern with moving it where I appreciate you looking at the Alternatives and coming up with a potential alternative to move it um not knowing they are not have get out here I'm questioning how realistic it will be to move it and then establish
the area the the previous footprint with any sort of growth where we wouldn't see more erosion um because we're exposing it to the environment I'm wondering if it's almost worth if anybody feel free to speak up against it um I'm just wondering if it
makes more sense even though we might gain seven feet are we gaining benefits or are we asking or creating the potential for more other issues more potential for other issues yeah it's it's a good it's a good point I can tell you there's there's
where the stumps are located there's really nothing growing there there's really no grass it's it's all shaded so you make a fair point you know you know establishing establishing anything inside that extra seven to
eight feet we get back would uh would I don't know would would be something you would have to purposely do I feel just because of the amount of shade down there and I I think where I would worry about
what what Kyle's forward is that if we do have a galvanized roof pitched towards the driveway in Fort Pond where now all that runoff is going right into an unvegetated you know not stabilized area in the short term I I think there's
solutions to it if we wanted to go that way and John if you want it to go that way um they're definitely pros and cons though right because the the pro moving it back is this current shed the existing structure doesn't have any deep
foundations you're going to have to dig right next to a couple of those trees that that's not great either so it's tell you I I can see pros and cons both ways my my two cents is to give you
the latitude to make a decision in the field with parameters around what to do regardless of which direction you go um yeah Chase I think that's a great idea because Mr Brooks once you do some Discovery holes or trying to dig you
might just hit all routs or all rocks so yeah and I at the end of the day I don't think six feet is going to make that much of a difference I guess that was where I was going one the other when we're talking that there's a driveway immediately Downstream of this like like
what it's I get that we have a 50 foot number that's on paper but in the field what do we what are we gaining okay so what would we like to do go with the
presented plan or give the flexibility the unknown of the the pitch of the roof and velocity whether put in a a rain you know some some part of capture system just to dry well or
[Music] something if that's needed yeah I I mean I would want to see it pitched away from Fort pond with at a minimum like a at a minimum like a stone
trench at the drip edge to receive that water to to essentially function as a function as a a drywall for it John does that make some sense what I'm describing there uh yeah I see what you guys are trying you guys are trying to
just uh make sure that the water doesn't cause erosion problems um so uh but you're you seem to be okay with effectively you're talking about like a curtain drain Chase or effectively a dryw which is what was suggested as well right yes okay and and
like where uh underneath it like where are you guys thinking I mean a curtain yeah I mean a curtain drain obviously isn't going to be I mean I could put it right underneath it and funnel the water into that or effectively the drywall would be the
same location feels like if you just put in a a trench filled with gravel or stone whatever so that the water isn't just hitting the ground and taking off it it goes in and has an opportunity to leech
into the ground from there I understand Chase right though won't those stumps be exactly where that trench would be eventally yeah damned if you do and damned if you don't right well but also there are
certain types of drains that don't have to run the whole distance they can be spot dry Wells as well so you can just work around um drip areas historically it's on on the ends and you could put it you know SC scatter them about it doesn't
have to be one full trench I mean I think the direction that we're giving here though is that the roof runoff needs to be infiltrated it and I would be comfortable in this case asking Mr Brooks to to potentially
come back and and tell us how he would like to do that rather than us design it for him as long as he understands that performance goal which is we don't want to see runoff running down the hill yeah I mean you can always put better down into a dry well as well if you
wanted yep lots of technical ways to solve it yep sure yep that I understand that makes makes sense to me John I have a couple other questions if you'll indulge me here and they're more like construction means and methods
um you identified correctly and I appreciate it the risks associated with um digging the footer holes I like the plan to bring the spoils up out of the buffer zone I I have a question about
mixing the concrete are you going to are you going to do each footer individually and mix sort of in a wheel Bearer or do you anticipate bringing in some equipment to do that I'm GNA do my plan was to do one hole at a time just that's
what I can handle I have a I have a small electric mixer which would mix the concrete so one ahead old time basically okay couple bags at a time though we're not talking about large quantities so exactly yep okay
um with that I would like to to make sure that it's rinsed out as far up gradient as possible uh that alkaline solution from rinsing out concrete can do not nice things to the water quality
sure yep but I'm not worried about it if it's a rinsing out the the mixing of a couple bags um the other question I had was related to the size of the existing shed so what you've shown here is a 10 by 20 shed
with a what do we have a 4 by 4x10 stair and Landing what is the current footprint of the shed outside of the
stairs uh the current is a 8 by 25 I believe so I've I've actually you just shifted the configuration around just just to adjust for the setback which is 10 feet it's the it's a little bit closer than that so I wanted to adjust out for the
setback okay and the stair in landing construction here it do I understand this right if yeah North is up so the exit the door will be to the southwest and then you'll turn and the stairs will actually come
like let's say parallel to the structure instead of away directly away from the structure does that make any sense let me try and expl I'm gonna try and I'm gonna try and put this the stairs to the southeast because it it keeps it it's
just less stairs because it's uh it goes uphill a little bit and I I think it's flat enough that I won't have that I won't have a problem where I'm trying to do like eight nine stairs to get back down to grade okay I I mean I'm conceptually good with
this I think the question Commissioners we've got to sort out is this is this was filed as an RDA and we probably need to before deciding whether or not we want to approve this decide whether or not we're comfortable
with this as an RDA versus as a notice of intent can somebody you remind we just did one of these recently over on one of the other ponds what did we Amy do you what are we working with them on yeah the one
that was just a little bit uh you know planned north of here um which was I don't know extremely close to Fort Pond I had said they should probably definitely do as a nose one tent which is which is what they did um but this
one I did say especially given the fact that there's the driver way in between the work and it's in the same footprint that I thought the commission might accept an RDA I'm am I thinking of a different one then I thought there was an old another gentleman who was replacing one yeah this that was in kind
there's two of them I actually have some backup slides if you guys let me just pull them up there was two uh let me just pull it up so one was this is uh there's two of them three Sarah Indian way which was
the rebuil of an existing structure addition of concrete post that was a negative determination with no conditions this is what it looks like and this is what the dock looks like and then the one that you guys just
mentioned was um three Cottage Way that did come in as a notice of intent rebuilding an existing structure they added some helical posts that's what that one looks like so you yeah either way and Amy if we were to issue a
negative determination here can we still condition that a little bit I I always get confused on where we can add a couple minor conditions or not there's generally room if if you will on the floor on the form for two or three kind
of short conditions and the general guidance is that if if you feel like you need to be adding more conditions than that you probably should be tooking those with but but there there's definitely room to put on conditions if you you know coming back for the the final
approval or you know the rose controls or or whatever you may or may not want that's what do we think that there's I mean I mean I guess there could be a need for conditions or is this more of a we just need a little bit more detail in a couple weeks and then maybe there AR a
lot of conditions yeah I think I follow you Kyle a little bit more that if Mr Brooks kind of like can solidify the roof the pitch kind of like what we want to do with some of the the capturing of that rain that might help answer some of those other
questions um but I recognize there's a lot of snow and ice and it's not like you can go and try and see if you can work around those stumps or not but um I'd be Keen with if we had a little bit more information I didn't mean I didn't mean to cut you
off Chas if there's other conditions that you you think that you know are necessary um the condition that I was going to propose was that once Mr Brooks gets the existing shed removed that he provides the commission or the
agent Tim an opportunity to come take a look at it and because I imagine it's going to have to be field fit a little bit and and I think it would be worthwhile condition an inspection from Tim there before he starts to build that honestly that was that was
the big one I presumed Sarah that we would ask Mr Brooks to come back in a couple weeks with answers to those technical questions okay good y so I I heard the roof pitch and the taking care of the water runoff um Chase is there is
there uh is there a particular concern driving the administrative approval of this like I'm I'm meaning Mr I think you said Tim Tim yeah it what I'd like what I would Advocate doing John is is not
confining you to you talked about building it in one location or maybe seven feet back and I don't think it makes sense as it sits today to say it's it should be one or the other what I would prefer to do is you come up with a
plan then we give you the latitude to field fit it as it makes sense but the way I would feel most comfortable with field fitting it is if um Tim is given the the charge of going out and taking a look at it with you once you've decided exactly where it's going to
be okay so what do I what do you uh in terms of what do I owe you guys besides the roof pitch and the drainage scenario for the I assume I'm coming back the next time is that where you guys are leaning yeah so I was going to I guess clarify or ask Chase where your where
your thoughts are um if this is a noo where we're going to ultimately ask for an noi I feel like that's something we could tell them now right but I think we're it seems like we're in the process of we're going to come up with a negative determination as long as we get the information we need
right I I don't love negative determinations here but I I can get my head around it yeah just want to make sure we're not wasting two weeks of his time right to have him come back in two weeks be like nope never mind we want an noi right it's not fair to him but fair question no I straw pole yeah let's
let's go with a negative determination once we have all the sufficient information yeah assuming Sarah Mike and all Andrew you are all comfortable with that as well don't want to put words in your mouth yeah sounds good so John I think you were right to the the roof material the pitch how
you're going to handle the water I would also ask you on that plan to just identify a general area in which you are going to keep Construction materials I assume it's going to be on the driveway but if it's not we should probably chat about that
for a second and then um I think the last thing we should talk about is if any erosion controls are necessary here and I'm with the driveway in between I'm not sure they are but we should give JN good direction on
that I think my only concern with that with obviously cement mixing and sand and things like that we know that projects take time so I guess if this is what Mr Mr Brooks is going to do like one hole at a time might not get done in
a weekend we may want to make sure that the sand or materials is somehow preserved either through you know a waddle or a gradient or something just so it doesn't slide I think you need some kind of erosion control no matter what because
when he's digging the holes the is going to be dirt coming out of those holes and to agree so so John the the last request would be essentially some erosion controls around the work area to make sure we don't mobilize anything out
of it sure and I think Waddles might be easiest for you I would agree okay can I can I ask one thing do you guys want to see information from John that in the event that the shed is is moved back and built
not in the existing location that it is right now uh information or a plan to revegetate or stabilize that area that is currently unstable under the existing shed for sure that's a great great question Tim yeah that's where I was
stay on the same footprint wasn't that what we said earlier yes I think we're still gonna give him and that's up for his thought I think that at least I what I'm hearing is that we're still giving him an option that if he does through Discovery feel as though he could safely move it and
that's viable then he would have to figure out how to you know vegetate that vegetate the undisturbed area as best as possible it might be best to put that option on the plan right now and to see if it is moved this is what I do and
completely age put put a line of aad controls on there get them on theing stuff if he moves it back now you've opened up the space for uh you know it's going to a road it's just you know it's not it's protected today it won't be
protected tomorrow yeah you do I understand what you guys are asking for it's not a problem I will say that there isn't really any undergrowth in that area it's just just a weird soil topology it's just Stone and uh I don't know but yeah
I can add that to the plan the um the location of the erosion controls as well well as uh stipulating the plan if I move it back uh that s feet how would I uh how would I revegetate that area that's reclaimed that's not a
problem revegetate or stabilize somehow yeah somehow might not work yeah that was my concern right if we do move well and I think also you don't you haven't seen it so you don't really know what it's going to look like underneath there as well so you can see you can see under
the shed yeah it's it's it's uh it hasn't been uh it's it looks like it's the original grade so whoever put that shed in did not like regrade it you can actually see a small stump under there still and I think the shed was put in in the early 90s looks like you can see by
looking right through the floor yeah sorry should leave your alone I didn't build it you're not hurting my feelings extra ventilation okay sounds good so see a couple week think you can we meet again on the fourth just
come municate and see if you want to be on for the fourth or after that which is the 18th yeah I'll be on for the fourth I'll be ready okay great thank you thank you thanks okay it's
8:23 and the next is continued public hearing notice of intent 13 winged Co Road Mass D 20418 bylaw waiver required demolition reconstruction of existing house and Associated work in addition to
permitting docks I have not heard from Kyle um I sent him a couple emails and I actually was trying to text him tonight and it's a no show okay Amy it looks like the last time we saw this project was August
of last year do yeah obviously because we have it on the agenda we're presuming that it's still on have have we explicitly asked if it's no longer happening like we do we know
why the yeah he he he definitely wants to move ahead but he basically lost the construction season and this is his own house so he is focusing on his business and that's why this just keeps sliding because you know he's not going to be working on it for many months so um
that's why he's let it slide do we want to push it out a couple meetings then or just put it to the end put it on for the 18th who are you asking not having heard from him I I mean obviously we want to also know
what's going on but at this point it's on him to come to us right so I don't even care if you don't put it on next meeting well we we we have to put we do have to put a date continued too yeah so I would make a motion that we go out two meetings to March
18th at a minimum yeah and put it at the the last one or the first one okay all right let's go ahead the 755 transfer because we still had the administrative discussions to go through this evening um 755 transfer of neog lot
107 discussion so that's been a little bit quiets I have not been able to move that forward very much there's been a lot of Select board attention to the orchard properties outside of lot 107 what is interesting here and I I haven't
had a chance to square up with the select board is how some of the proposals on the table currently for the APR portion of the orchard could also impact the non APR
portions there have been proposals to transfer all of the non APR portions to other ownership as well so I I think they're wrestling with a lot of different pieces here and I don't know how that impacts lot 107 okay so well do you want to table it for the 4th or the
18th uh the fourth it has to be the fourth okay okay and I I would also say if if they do if the select board literally wants to transfer that property into private ownership conquered Water Supplies can be
all I think I got a lot of the on near the yeah beside the fact that we already have town meeting vote that says it's intended to go to the commission to protect so okay let's go ahead and approve the
minutes from February 4th does anyone have any omissions or Corrections from the 4th I just have a couple of them uh let's see so under the um 195 de hadan Road uh
topic towards the bottom there's a sentence the commission mentioned that a minimum Reen noticing of a Butters and it says notice newspaper or something so it should say and a notice in the newspaper and further down
looks like the third to last sentence it just says commission agreed it should just be the commission and the very last thing I had was under continued administrative discussion 15 P 15 Powers is listed a second time even though we had discussed
it so I'm not sure if we wanted to remove that one and then just keep the top one and that's it okay thank you for those do we have a motion to approve as amended I move to approve approve the
February 4th 2025 minutes as amended second thank you all right roll call vote uh Chase Chase ger hi Michael Michael living s hi Kyle Kyle maxiel I
Ed Ed F stain I wasn't here Sarah Sarah SE I all right so that's one two 3 4 five six eyes and one exstension thank you okay let's jump down to administrative discussions land use permits Lon conservation trust for the
March owl prow I'm not clear if there's anybody here for that I don't recognize all the names um I I think some wi across but but they the trust is looking to do an Al prowl on the properties that were
noted on there in March the date isn't set and the location isn't set because I got to make sure the owls are doing something at the property they want to go to BAS basically um so I don't know if you'd be willing to approve it with kind of those broad areas um or if you
want more information this would be an after hours work I think she said 6:30 start something like that amyan what is an30 at night what is an owl prow kind of what it sounds like you go out and you listen for owls and hopefully try to see them okay thank you
never hearding nuts out listening for for Al I mean I think the bigger question is as long as the police department is okay with it right like that that's probably that two weeks ago when this came up that was the question mark not so much like people walking in the woods at
night but people walking in the woods with flashlights in a group in the woods at night and do they get the police called on them yeah I mean that's that's part of the the whole land use permit right so once this gets finalized they they have to notify the Police Department fire department whatever right exactly yeah
can do that to we we get them to the to Doc you sign it send it over to the Chief and and he will sign it um okay and they could just issue the permit saying that they're required to let us know what at least 48 72 hours in advance at a minimum sure I hope they
have good creepers for their shoes and this will need a vote and was this for longle Park am I remembering correctly they it they picked three properties and they're going to have to wait and see like where they're hearing
Al basically which is why they haven't focused on one property I move we issue date to be determined in the future land use permit to Litteton conservation trust for a March owl prow on one of three
properties second second all right roll call vote Sarah s i Ed Ed P Kyle Kyle Max cheese Chee gig I Michael I I and myself I it's
unanimous okay Andrew I think this is going to be up your alley Community preservation act application review yes so um since our last meeting I did um forward our invasive plant control application to the Long Lake neighborhood association uh the
association did review it and has given us uh their support for that project so I have since submitted the uh eligibility requests and funny application to the CPC with that support and actually CPC is meeting tomorrow
night at 7 in room 103 and virtually and we'll be reviewing that application so hopefully we get a a good vote and it'll go on town meeting and we'll have that going the walkway project is still up in the air um depending on a couple of
different factors the quotes coming back and um basically the timeline for the dredging that's still kind of up in the ear this at this time but we're going to do what we can to maybe get something through but as of right now we know invasive plant control should be uh you know everything goes well tomorrow night
in town meeting we'll have that in place for the uh the early summer and we'll do our best to get something done for the walkway oh Sarah I think you're muted all right uh Andrew that's great anybody have any comments for Andrew do you need people to go to that meeting
are you all good um we should be good but if anybody wants to come absolutely I mean the more uh voices in favor the the better okay great thank you for your time on that next um if if if I may share um sort of on that topic was it
GZA geosy I can't remember who it was um wants to do some test borings around the Frog Pond which I don't like calling it that but um so they get more information on groundwater and stuff for the dredging piece of it um so initially they're going to do three pretty much
along the Trails um the pathway there it's awfully wet back in there um so they do they do have three just along the road which would be very easy to get to but they would like to do su back um I'm still we're still going back and forth with them um and let you know
where they want to end up doing it I think if they do the two at the end they won't have to do any kind of wetland Crossing or anything um but the one in the middle I think could be a mess if they try to get out there what are we doing this by hand or this is mechanical
drilling how far down I am not sure yet okay yeah I would push them hard to just do shallow manual borings right yeah it's got to be soft enough to use a hand auger through there you're not gonna get mechanical equipment back there right
well you never know let's or they can they can replace the walkway after they run through there you go strategy I mean I've I've taken borings with you know post post drivers before it's not fun but you can do it yeah we're not looking
for for uh geotechnical characteristics here we don't need a drill rig back there with an automatic ham or something like that okay let's jump down to shade tree committee draft I think I just promoted Matt right oh there is hey everybody
good to see you so Matt kale shade tree committee um asked to come out and give you sort of an update as we sort of uh hopefully are working in parallel on our tree protection uh work uh share screen does does that you
kind of wanted to see it I can just walk you through it might be the easiest that'd be great Matt yeah okay uh Shri just met last month just a quick background if everyone's not up to speed we started this it's a year ago now I looked at our first draft I said wow
February wait that says 2024 on it so things are you know moving slow but they're moving um last year we had things sort of primed we had the draft in place you know version was circulating and then uh you know we just had a hard time getting it to um Town
Council for review but it went um you know sometime I don't know in the summer maybe it was September something like that uh was on a back burner you see all sorts of meetings so they did just get us a review this past month so last meeting we sort of went over that and I will
show you that version which is where we're at okay can everyone see this yep okay so um the sections really haven't changed much from last time I think you have seen a version of this I'm not sure which one but hey
version and uh we're starting to go through we got some good comments here um a lot of the language is pretty much the same so we're just we just kind of lead off with the overall mission of you know shade Tre committies we want to promote trees and canopy cover and have
it essentially be shown as something that has value to the town and these are the reasons why we want to protect it um and all those good things so you your policy may have similar language or we can share language either way it's just
you Baseline both groups talking about the value of trees and what it does for the community um we've got our scope not too much has changed there so now we kind of get down to our first [Music]
Finance um so we cut down some of this um so making it more that any Department making public uh improvements uh that will impact the public shade trees will notify the tree warden so this was a bit more of a hey
can we get some sort of uh you know departmental collaboration set up and they just recommended you know just just tell them exactly what to do don't don't talk about it so much so we're um we're trying to get more specific as we go in the bot which is appreciated apparently
by everyone so that's that's where a lot of The Cutting if um you're going to see things taken out is an attempt to just sort of get to the facts so Matt I have a question here the the specific language is shall notify the tree Warden
not the tree Warden shall approve it was that a deliberate choice or do you intend that to be the tree Warden shall approv because right now it's it actually reads passively like yep we notified the tree warden so for for any
work so the good thing about this bylaw is it does not supersede anything in the Massachusetts General law so all the chapter 87 staff um okay already states that public shade trees require hearing and that's facilitated by the tree
warden so nothing that should already be happening through Mass general laws being changed this this specific uh number four here was an attempt to get our town to have more interde departmental Cooper operation you know because who who knows what's going on
now if if you know one group has a plan and you know couple trees are gonna you know SL be slated knocked down yeah I know as a sha Tre Committee Member we don't hear about it till right till the end you know what I mean till the chainsaw are running right just just encouraging that to to get written in
somewhere so hopefully that they shall at least notify then next time we since he is a Committee Member as we have a discussion he said oh well this Project's coming along this on the you know one's coming down the pipeline okay so the definitions just cleaned up
the critical root Zone a little bit more just saying that it's the area minimum area required to be left undisturbed provide tree a reasonable chance of survival and then yada yada some of the formulaic that go along with that yeah tree protection zone is the
larger portion of a critical root Zone a critical root Zone exists within the tree protection Zone um he was just saying that really doesn't come up anywhere else but it's an actual item in the appendix um so that's still there this is the big this is the big
Crux for us and I'm not sure how it's going to impact conservation um so shade tree committee we have a budget item you know that's approved every year with the town budget what we're trying to do and what we've heard is done in other
communities is that there's a separate fund and that fund allows if something happens you know mitigation payment comes in whatever it goes into this tree fund so that it's used specifically for the replacement of
trees you know and then in the in the language was you know planting maintaining watering you know so there you know we were even going to add you know invasive species removal whatever you know the things that go around with the trees so legal really had a hard time with this and so they they Struck
it at the end of the day this they're they're saying you should probably take it out other towns do it so it's not to say that it isn't getting done but they they they would we would need to talk with them more about this about the why I don't know if Amy or anyone here who has
a conservation trust fund can speak a little bit more to it but is it something to do with a fee versus like a a non fee like a fee has to go to like the town it can't go into a special fund does does anyone that was my
understanding when we met with Town Council regarding um a the tree policy that we've contemplated may or may not but if if it did it have a um sorry I'm
stumbling over words a payment in Li of policy and town council's issue there was is it a fee or a tax which is actually a very significant distinction and then if it is is a fee my
understanding from Council was that either it would need to go to the town general fund or there would need to be potentially another warrant article that created an account for those funds to go
into so there were there were multiple moving pieces that needed to come together there and I'm um probably not describing it fully accurately but what we did get from Council was it could be done it's just
not trivial to have a payment in lie of component for the kcom policy one thing I think did that did make it easier for them with respect to kcom is that we already receive fees for a number of different things right application fees
and permit fees and so on so that that may be a little bit easier for a kcom policy regarding resource areas versus a shade tree committee and tree fund associated with it yeah and it is your
do you have a revolving fund because that's really what we were hoping to get out of this is that we would have a place to put money that isn't tied to the you know fiscal year budget where it's like ah quick spend spend and get these trees in the ground and we're always up against it you know and you're always waiting for the tree delivery so
like to be able to have a revolving fund and be well well we're not going to use use it you know this spring we'll use it in the fall and it's not the end of the world you know would be a super huge help for us but um again I I don't think it's I don't think at this point they're recommending it the fees that we get
from the state applications under the state regulations goes into a revolving fund uh the fees we get from the bylaw go to the general fund and my understanding Matt is that if we wanted a revolving fund for tree
purposes CU I I think thought process was the same um there would have to be a separate Financial mechanism to create that revolving Fund in other words it can't that this is just my or
engineers's understanding of what the lawyers were saying it can't just be created by this bylaw there are other steps that need to go into it yeah but I I mean I will tell you from my perspective and I I don't mean to speak the whole commission I think this is something that should be pushed
on right like let's find a way to do this and if it's a multi-step process then so be it let's go through the multiple steps right yeah and so as far as timeline here too you know in general as we talk to people we're you know maybe
we're still trying for this spring But as time keeps moving I'm not quite sure um I've talked to a few people and I think most folks understand there's no sense in rushing this like let's just
make it good you know there's I know there's pressure to the town I know that trees are being cut and you know that we should have better language in place and bylaws in place and policy in place but I'd rather have it done right so um but
this but this item in particular could be something that is you know Revisited after the bylaw is set and then the process getting the reing fund set or whatever uh happens over time so anyway I just want to really make sure to point that out to you that was the
big takea away from from legal yeah I mean I think this is pretty important for our own policy as we continue to pursue it because isn't that where do we do we reference a shade tree fund I feel like that was where our in lie of
payments were going to go no no actually I think where we got to with council is that if if there was going to be a payment in lie of it would actually have to probably be separate from the shade tree committee okay because of the different Geographic
footprints that we administer right like we are we would be looking at trees being removed from resource areas and therefore that that money should be spent in a manner that is dedicated to Resource areas yeah all right that's
right that paragraph that struck out is that a new paragraph or is that something you had in section six was the request for this fund so to speak and it was struck so it's there was new I
okay yeah um yeah so I'll keep moving in the interest of time here um but that's that's that one uh let's see here so we did some
more uh just some more cust word smithing here um we we do have to go through and sort of grab pieces of town code and start filling things in you know as we talk about um so Nona
applicability obviously will be you guys Conservation Commission in your jurisdiction um some of the other places so grabbing those pieces getting them dropped in you wanted to tighten up sort of duties and responsibilities between tree
Warden and Shay treei uh which makes sense again the idea here is just to sort of keep it in line with what's written in chapter 87 so instead of saying that you know he tree Warden and you know conation
commission shade tree uh would be you know developing policy it's really the legality goes to the tree Warden and then recommendations are made by tree committee so we sort of split that out so there's just been a a couple strikethroughs here trying to clean this
up and just say Okay legally here's tree Warden here's the powers um but the next section tree committee U we're going to do what we do the recommendations we're going to develop a draft you know you know create
you know help craft rules regulations Tre inventory manuals um our public education trainings all that sort of good stuff so you know the the comments here from Council is really just sort of separating those keeping
everything in line with chapter 87 just shortening I should say the highway department agreed to be the tree Warden uh he is yep Steve whitten's our tree warden in
case uh anyone here as I know he sits on the committee he's always there it's really great we've got we've got a good working relationship with our tree warden so this has been and um the last meeting he had uh some suggestions and revisions he was going
to get in as well uh so that's good we're kind of gonna just work through this let me just see okay that one done got that one done okay so sorry let me just so the standards um and then we have so it's
sor our industry standards ANC a300 that's if you look that up that's our boroc cultural you know best management practices by industry professionals um that's continually updated so that's why we're going to reference it in the bylaw because it's referencing a document that
is updated so we won't need to update the bylaw and as we went through this you know anything that does or will need you know sort of that constant adjustment would be moved to to regulations so we don't have to go all the way back town meeting every time so just keep in mind
that that's happening along the way um our Provisions so we've got our three sections it's the planting it's the removal and the protection so the this is going to be kind of ugly I'm just going to warn you
we got lots of we got actually this version is a little bit cleaner now but a lot of just sort of cleaning this up um talking about the planting of trees we're trying to tackle also simultaneously chapter 87 Mass General law tree Warden has the
power with the approval of the homeowner to do a setback tree so we were also kind of toying around with the idea of you know somehow doing these setback tree plantings so we talk about planting within the 20 foot right away um permission from the property
owner um Town resent Town resident would have to sign a document to agree to water maintain for a period of 3 years so this was sort of stuff that Council was saying let's let's get more precise let's get that in there whether or not this is going to happen we we tried it
last spring managed to do like one um it's actually pretty hard for a volunteer community to pull this all off you know so I don't know how much we're gonna get into this you know Highway Department just you know there's a million things on their plate they really don't have the time to be doing
you know private property essentially these sort of setback you know type trees so we haven't flushed out that program yet that's another thing just to keep in your mind that's sort of on the back burner that maybe we'll get into we want to write the standards and specifications in such a way that you know any of those types of trees that
are paid for through you know committee funds would be PL planted properly with the nc300 standards you know everything's as good as we can get it so the trees have the best chance to survive uh he wanted more clarifications
on removals um you went back and forth because we're talking about City and City own land so you know what does that mean that's not just the right away right we've got schools we've got Parks we've got playgrounds we've got you know our actually at our meeting the high school students came in to talk about
some work they wanted to do removing invasives and imp planting Natives and you know that's all great but you know that brings them to to us to have these discussions which is pretty much how it should be so it was really great to see that and they're going to put the other great project um so again we'll try and
have that he was asking a bit more about clarification on you know what is an inch by inch you know so if someone's in violation they haven't gotten you know proper approvals so if someone cuts down a 10-inch tree we would need five 2inch
you know caliper trees to sort of have that equal sort of inch per inch um so we sort of spelled that out what that is um right now I think the existing policy just in general if a tree is removed it's like a two for one replac and this would be if something was in
violation so we could sort of maximize the number of trees that are coming back in this sort of circles back to around like what if I don't have the room to plant all these trees well then in Li of it would be the money would go into the fund so it could be used somewhere else not having that makes this a little bit more
complicated um but you know we'll revisit that too Matt did you and maybe I missed it in here did do you ever Define hazardous trees because that's one of the things we've been wrestling with uh because
your your removal says the process for removal of non-hazardous public shade trees essentially who who decides it's hazardous uh for us it's the tree Warden it's pretty it's pretty easy for us the tree Warden goes out will'll assess the tree and determine whether or not it's
hazardous so so for us at at the end of the day all the decisions come down to a certified trained professional so for you guys I think you the onus would be on then someone one has to acquire the services of a certified Arborist Mass
certified Arborist to get the determination of what's hazardous and what's not hazardous you know or tree conditions you know all all the sort of things that are going to happen you know in that process of determination um so yeah it's going to
be it's going to be a little bit more complicated for you guys yeah and and one of the things that's important to us is we don't particularly as we're looking at private property where there could be a hazardous tree we don't want the town to be in a position of saying
no that tree is or isn't hazardous if let's say the town were to come in and say nope it's not hazardous then we're to fall over on someone's house who I I don't think we want the town to have that responsibility and those much more
uh i' say risky circumstances yeah yep uh let's see just kind of outling uh public shade trees you know talking about what can and can't be removed um at some point let me see if
it's in here yet or if it was just talked about talking about the removal of uh invasive trees uh that's but so we have also had some comments I'm not sure how we ended
up getting it but from Rob routs um sent in some comments and a few of those things like it was a good catch you know we didn't have the appeal section yet so I'll scroll down here in a second we've got that in there now um but some of the you know questions and concerns around the invasive
trees and um you know obviously want to be able to remove the invasive trees that's where is it under 13 oh here we go so that's that was kind of this section here so talking about emergency
Provisions uh so emergencies trees that are hazardous is determined by the tree Ward there answer invasive plants as identified by the town tree guidelines so we have that uh La light
department disease infestation and then uh he also recommended adding Fallen trees that are obstructing Trails on trown own conservation land that's that's kind of good I guess that was a kind of good U not really sure how that would have fallen into whose jurisdiction or what but just at least
get it in there it's like oh yes Trail storage please yes let's let's get this sort of stuff done sort on the emergency Provisions you know um I would also say in terms of identifying invasive trees I wouldn't use the tree guidelines I would use the um the
state invasive species list St be lot more comprehensive than what we have and and it'll be up to date oh good idea okay make that um right but okay so for example though
just to touch on this real quick because this was you know just something that he had written like oh maybe we should just make it so that you know if you have an invasive species you can take it out but you know I had even I in my professional life had written an article sort of about this and it's like there some so I
worked in Boston for a long time and if you removed every Norway Maple in Boston right people there would have no trees so they are providing ecosystem services in these like very dense Urban you know neighborhoods where you're not going to get a forest to Sugar Maples you know so
like look there's there's a time and a place you there's value to be had here you can't just you can't just go through and blast out the entire Forest canopy because you're going to lose you you're going to lose all sorts of stuff so the project that the students were
doing they wanted to take out the pear trees great that's awesome you know but it brings them in to have the discussion you know what's the replacement you know how are you going to phase this in and what what tree species are going to be used you know so it just I'd rather have people in and not just have a blanket
approval for for taking out everything that needs to be taken out um because we want this to done be done in in appropriate in a in a process that works um for everybody so that's a little bit of the thinking there uh
enforcement bit more talking about that fines and things we'll have to get that sort of cleaned up so any anything sort of money related TBD um appeal section would be put in this has not been vetted yet it was just I'm not sure what the standard language is but basically
people are able to appeal um and the rule the rules and the regs that will be developed will be by tree Warden uh with approval from select board so that'll that's sort of the flow for the
RS and that's about it it takes us about to the end and we'll have some appendix we'll have some references we'll end up developing regs that'll go along with it I think part of that would be you know tree valuation formulas you know things
like that things that we can adjust over time depending on pricing so yeah I don't feel we're that much closer you know it's was great to get feedback but now you kind of go oh okay we we gotta go do some work again so um I just got reaction don't think
that this is be a spring um item but this is where we are at at the moment Matt would you mind to drop that in my email inbox so I can take a look at it in more detail yeah sure and I'll just even uh just give me a
couple more days I'll get the feedback from the committee and thenen everyone's still kind of working on stuff this I just wanted to have a draft in front of you guys today just so so you see where we're at so we can talk through maybe are you guys in a similar place so that sounds like you just met with Town
Council we're farther behind you that's my fault all right it's not a competition but good little competition wouldn't be the unhealthiest thing what we need to keep pushing these along right it's only a competition if you're in the
lead Amy's going to finish it before she retires right y absolutely you gotta live with it though if I do trees good cutting trees bad don't cut trees don't cut yeah I mean it the T it's really comes down to the the
dollars and cents you know all the questions are going to be around value what why are you valuing trees where's the valuation formula what you know what's where's it com from um you know so getting that sort of hammered out and I mean at the least you know we'll have something that
you guys can point to okay this is what the town is already doing you know maybe it's not great maybe you know it's just the two for one or maybe it is sort of the inch the inch for inch um but yeah we need something we certainly appreciate all
your all your time and effort and everyone that's contributed with this mat for sure absolutely a living breathing document yeah yeah so I don't know yeah I'll just uh we'll get that we'll get a few more drafts in and then I'll send it
out on pretty soon you can take a look at it and hopefully uh helps you all if you have any questions on your own the work that you're doing on your tree stuff you know I'll just always give me a holler we can Co we can collab that's great you guar thank you very much Matt
thank you Matt all right good seeing you all night all right we have a couple more things um conservation agent and assistant agent um we've been interview uh obviously not today Tuesday next
Tuesday that chase is going to sit in on that um and Andrew I think right or I think we're still sorting that out I thought you were going to sit not I'm also available we'll coordinate okay yeah I I just had that an agenda
item in case we had anything specific to say and I don't know that we do right now no I think we're we're good and we'll come back to that um tree removal and dock filing checklist those have been in for the last couple
agendas um I I looked at both I I think they're great anybody else have any feedback or comments or edits yeah we got some for Michael and and the current version which I I don't
think you actually had has his comments in it okay so maybe if anybody has for the if we could put that on for the fourth maybe circulate before the 4th so that way it would be great coming into spring to have that already done so yeah
and that way we can also it it can just be something that sort of stays for a Draft take it for a test drive see how it goes for a few months okay tweak as as needed yeah that's a nice thing about those right is that they don't carry the force of a bylaw we
can adjust as we go yeah for sure um I know usually we put it my my bad for missing this usually if anybody had anything they wanted to add to the agenda I have one item does anyone have anything I just have a quick one um did you want me to go now or no go ahead
Andrew yeah oh thank you um so I know that annual reports for the Departments are do or were do on the 14th did we do one Tim didn't I I finally commented on on it today so it's it's
in congratul we can circulate it too if if you want anybody wants to take a look at it okay that' be great actually yeah thanks for do that I want you to send that around and thank you well this is a sad day for Amy green
this is her last official meeting to be with us although I feel like she'll join us on occasions for other things but I know um I speak for myself for all these dedicated years that words cannot express my gratitude
and all that I've learned working with you and from out in hellacious conditions to sitting in rooms and editing things it's been it's been a joy and a pleasure for for me to have opportunity to work with you on so many
different projects well thanks it's it's been a great commission to work with over the years all and all your predecessors um I'm impressed by the energy and and dedication that comes up with these
nights when is it nine o'clock well you know when I first started you guys are easily running till 11 o'clock um so at least that's calmed down a little bit with the big subdivisions quieting that sounds like a jinx if I ever heard
yeah way to walk out on that Amy byebye he hey Corner maybe who knows all right I think you hit on it Amy I've learned so much working with you it's uh it has been an
education and I'm I'm going to miss working with you so very much and thank you so much for your patience with all of the inan questions and you know uh attempts to get clarification on understanding things and keep coming back at it it I really really appreciate
how much you've taught me and I think I've learned a lot too so and when when I jumped to the other side of the table from from Consulting to you know regulatory um you see things a lot differently so is it was good to you
know keep learning stuff now and you you've you've mentored so many of us that it's been you've been very gracious for all our questions I think I've made it pretty clear that any of you who are up and I forget who it is is up in June like you're not allowed to
abandon Tim and that's it right now she's looking up for Tim that's even better yeah yeah right well I know that you have lots of hopefully some fun travel plan and get ready to do some great things in the
spring and summer and you better believe it I wish you all all the best and I'm confident we will be seeing you or calling you hopefully we're not going to change your no change your telephone number no this is great because I I can just you know log in now and and just at you
guys what do you think you're doing well we I know that I would love to have you hold us to the fire absolutely yeah I would not I [Laughter] would that's good all right does anyone
have anything else before we sign off on this evening I guess that was it for me all right can follow up after that I feel like that's the appropriate way to end this meeting okay meeting would someone
like to make that formal last meeting for Amy official official motion to adjourn the meeting second roll call vote H Sarah
Sarah word I regrettably regret duly noted Ed Ed F Kyle Kyle Maxi die Chase if I say nay and we don't pass this do we keep Amy nothing what to do you can stay here all night
that was a good try Chase Michael Michael living SII and myself I it's unanimous we're officially adjourned thank you so much Amy for everything and